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THERE'S SO MUCH CRAP GOING ON.I'LL PROBABLY WATCH THE YOU'LL APPRECIATE JUDGE.
FIRST THING POSSIBLE, BRIEF THE ARGUMENTS, BUT IMAGINE JUDGE EVER TO ME, IF I CAN DO WHAT YOU SAY I CAN, I'M GONNA RULE IN YOUR FAITH.
THEY SAY THAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
IF THEY'RE RIGHT, THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA IMAGINE THAT I DO SOMETHING JUDGE WOULD THINK
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OR SUGGEST SOMETHING THE JUDGE WOULD THINK THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE.TODAY I WAS IN FOR SPRING BREAK, I THINK ABOUT THAT DAYS.
I WAS LIKE, YEAH, TWO THIRDS OF MY IS TO ANYWHERE.
EVERYBODY'S LIKE TRAVEL NOW TIME.
DID YOU THE 60 DAYS ALL IT ALSO TODAY WAS SOMETHING, GUESS WHO WORKS ON 700 BLOCK OF MAIN AND WAS EVACUATED THIS MORNING BY THE BUFFALO FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I USED TO WORK NEXT DOOR.
YEAH, THERE WAS TWO, THERE WAS TWO OF US.
THE FLOOR COLLAPSED FIRST, AND THEN THAT EXPLOSION AND THERE WAS THE SECOND ONE.
TWO GUYS WERE WALKING IF A WORKER, WE PARK IN THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.
SOME OF US, THE COWORKER WAS TRYING TO GET HER CAR OUT AT THAT MOMENT.
AND THEN, SO SHE HAD TO TAKE COVER IN LIKE ANOTHER BUILDING.
AND THE REST OF MY COWORKERS HAD TO ABANDON THEIR CARS BECAUSE WASHINGTON IS STILL CLOSED.
WAIT, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET OUTTA HERE BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS.
SO FIRST OR THE ONLY ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION IS ASPEN DENTAL MANAGEMENT, INC.
REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCTIVE DENTAL CLINIC TO BE LOCATED AT 3 4 9 7 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
WE ALREADY, THIS WAS A WEIRD ONE WHERE IT'S, WHERE PIZZA HUT USED TO BE.
AND THEN THE AESTHETIC PLACE, THE AESTHETIC PLACE CAME BY.
WE HAD TO REZONE PART OF IT BECAUSE PART OF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL, SO WE REZONED THE ENTIRE THING TO C ONE, WHICH INCLUDES MEDICAL USES.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF WE DID A SITE PLAN ON THAT PRIOR ONE? UH, WHICH PROJECT? THE, THE AESTHETIC PLACE AT THE SAME LOCATION.
THEY NEVER CAME BACK AFTER THE REZONING.
I THINK THEY DID THE REZONING AND THEN HAD A SKETCH PLAN AND THEN THEY LIKE NO, SHOWED MULTIPLE TIMES IN A ROW.
DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? YEAH, DEFINITELY.
SO WE DIDN'T DO THE SITE PLAN.
UM, ONE THING I WANT TO BRING UP, UM, SO THE RE REZONING CAME WITH SOME CONDITIONS.
UH, I THINK MOST OF THE CONDITIONS HAD TO DO WITH, UH, WELL, SOME OF 'EM HAD TO DO WITH SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIANS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA REVISIT THOSE CONDITIONS TO THE REZONING.
SO I'LL JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE TO START.
IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WERE ASKING FOR OR THAT'S A NOT STARTER, UM, ARE YOU MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING? THE LAYOUT? UH, YEAH.
I'M JEFF MULLER WITH THE CELL ENGINEERING, UH, PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF ASPEN DENTAL CLINIC.
UH, AND WE'RE PROPOSING A BRAND NEW BUILDING FOR THIS SITE AT, UH, 3 4 9 7 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
HERE'S OUR SURVEY OF THE SITE.
UH, THAT RIGHT SIDE OF IT IS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
UH, THE EXISTING BUILDING'S ABOUT 10 FEET FROM THE EAST PROPERTY LINE, UH, 56 FEET FROM THAT, UH, SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
UH, AND IT HAS PARKING AND PAVEMENT ALL AROUND THE BUILDING, THE SOUTHWEST AND NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THEY HAVE LIGHT POLES, TWO OF 'EM NORTH OF, OR UH, WEST OF THE SITE, ONE SOUTH AND ONE NORTH, AND ONE IN THE MIDDLE IN THE ISLAND.
AND, UH, OTHER UTILITIES ARE COMING IN FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SANITARY, WHICH IS COMING OUT HERE ON THE NORTH AND CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING SANITARY.
SO THERE, UM, OUR PLAN IS TO DEMOLITION ALL OF THAT, GET RID OF THE PARKING LOT BUILDING AND EVERYTHING.
UH, WE'LL BE RECONNECTING TO THE EXISTING UTILITIES ON SITE IF WE CAN.
OH, AND WE'RE ALSO KEEPING THE SAME DRIVE ENTRANCE AS WELL.
UH, HERE'S THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
UH, WE MOVED IT OUT WEST COMPARED TO THE PIZZA HUT.
IT'S LIKE 15.5, UH, 23 FEET FROM THAT SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND ABOUT 20 ISH FEET FROM THAT WEST PROPERTY LINE.
UH, WE HAVE PARKING NORTH OF THE SITE, UH, 34 STALLS, UH, TWO HANDICAP PARKING STALLS AS WELL.
UH, WE HAVE TWO JIVE LANES, UH, FOR EASE OF ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE SITE, UH, FOR THE GARBAGE TRUCK TO GET TO THAT DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AND
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ZOOM RIGHT OUT.UH, WE HAVE A PROPOSED SIGN WHICH WE'RE KEEPING OUT OF THE VISION TRIANGLE AND OUR VISION TRIANGLES ARE SHOWN THERE.
THE PREVIOUS SITE WE'RE LIMITED TO 75% IMPERVIOUS FOR THIS SITE.
AND THE PREVIOUS SITE WAS PUSHING IT UP TO LIKE 74.7% IMPERVIOUS.
UH, WE'LL BE LOWERING THAT DOWN TO 57 AND THE SITE ITSELF IS 0.74 ACRES, SO WE'LL BE DISTURBING LESS THAN AN ACRE AND LOWERING IMPERVIOUS.
SO THAT SHOULD, UH, EXEMPT US FROM STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE STRIPED ISLANDS FOR EASE OF PAVING OR FOR, UH, PLOWING IN THE WINTERTIME.
AND, UH, I HAVE THE SETBACKS LISTED HERE.
WE HAVE A 40 FOOT FRONT BUILDING SETBACK AND A 40 FOOT REAR BUILDING SETBACK THAT WILL BE REQUESTING VARIANCES FOR AS WELL AS A 35 FOOT PAVEMENT SETBACK FOR WALKWAY TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS THAT ACCESS AISLE.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE SO FAR.
IS THERE A FENCE BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENCE? YES.
YEAH, THERE'S A FENCE THAT GOES ALONG THE NORTH END EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
WHAT CONDITIONS IT IN, DO YOU KNOW? I'M NOT SURE.
WELL, IT'S BEEN THERE AND I DON'T THINK THEY EVER TREATED IT OR ANYTHING, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHO'S FENCE.
I'M, I'M SURE THAT WAS THE PIZZERIAS FENCE.
BUT, UH, AS THE SURVEY PICKED UP, IT'S HALF ON OUR PROPERTY, HALF ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
OH REALLY? SO, UH, THAT MIGHT BE, SO WE MAY BE THINKING ABOUT A NEW FENCE, MAYBE, SO LIKELY IF IT'S IN BAD SHAPE.
UM, NEXT I'LL JUMP ONTO OUR GRADING PLAN.
UH, RIGHT NOW I'M VERY PRELIMINARY.
WE'RE PLANNING ON KEEPING THE EXISTING CATCH BASIN, UM, THOSE IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND WE'LL BE DRAINING ALL THE PARKING LOT WATER TO THAT CATCH BASIN AND ROUTING ITSELF TO ANOTHER PROPOSED CATCH BASIN.
UH, THAT CATCH BASIN WILL ALSO BE TAKING OUR ROOF DRAIN AND ALL THAT STORM WATER FROM THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL.
AND IT'LL ALL BE GOING BACK DOWN TO MILE STRIP ROAD, JUST AS THE PREVIOUS SITE HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
UH, AS I KIND OF PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, WE'RE PLANNING ON RECONNECTING TO THE EXISTING UTILITIES.
UH, THERE WAS AN ELECTRIC TRANSFORMER ON THE UTILITY POLE THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND REUSE, UM, GAS IN THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND WATER AS WELL ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
IT'LL COME IN ON THE NORTH SIDE, BUT FROM THAT EAST SIDE, UH, AND WE'LL ALSO BE TRYING TO REUSE THAT SANITARY LATERAL AS WELL AND ROUTING IT NORTH.
AND THE STORM WATER, AS I DISCUSSED BEFORE, HERE'S OUR, UH, ROUGH LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE TREE PER 30 FEET OF STREET FRONTAGE, UH, THAT CAME UP TO 14 TREES.
SO WE PLACED 'EM ALL ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, KEPT THEM OUT OF THE VISION TRIANGLES.
UM, WE'RE ALSO SCREENING THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE.
THOSE WILL BE TALL EVERGREEN SHRUBS.
AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE DECIDUOUS AND, UH, PERENNIALS LOCATED AROUND THE BUILDING.
THAT'S A ASPEN GENERAL THING THAT THEY LIKE.
HERE'S OUR SITE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN.
WE'LL BE PROPOSING TWO LIGHT POLES.
WE'LL BE DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING FIVE THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE'RE STAYING WITHIN CO COMPLIANCE, NOT HAVING MORE THAN TWO FOOT CANDLES AROUND THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, BUT KEEPING THE INSIDE OF THE PARKING LOT STILL LIT UP ENOUGH FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.
HERE IS OUR, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FLOOR PLAN.
UH, WE HAVE THREE PROPOSED DOORS.
UH, IT'S NOT ALL FILLED OUT QUITE YET, BUT UH, WE HAVE ALL THE UTILITY LOCATIONS CALLED OUT AS WELL.
AND, UH, I'M A CIVIL SITE DESIGNER, NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TOO MUCH TO HOW THE BUILDING LOOKS, BUT I'LL TAKE ANY NOTES OR COMMENTS YOU GUYS HAVE.
BUT, UH, THIS IS A TYPICAL ASPEN DENTAL BUILDING.
I HAVE A BLUE METAL, UH, COPING AROUND THE TOP OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS, UH, LIGHT BROWN AND DARK BROWN, UH,
BELOW THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE A BRICK VENEER, CONCRETE SILL, AND THEN A STONE VENEER UNDERNEATH THAT.
UH, THERE'S UTILITIES THAT WILL BE LOCATED ON THE ROOF.
UH, WE'RE SCREENING THAT FROM THE WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO PROPOSED SIGNS, BOTH ON THE WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN HERE'S OUR DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE DETAILS.
SO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WILL BE, UH, MADE OF A BEIGE CMU BRICK.
UH, AND WE'LL ALSO HAVE A BLUE COPING AROUND THE TOP.
SO IS THAT GONNA HOLD YOUR MEDICAL WASTE ALSO? OR ARE YOU HAVING A SEPARATE DISPOSAL FOR THAT? I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
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SEEKING A PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, UM, TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STEP FOR, UH, VARIANCES ON THE ZONING BOARD.SO WHAT KIND OF VARIANCE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? SO WE HAVE SOME SETBACK VARIANCES.
WE HAVE A TWO BUILDING SETBACK AND ONE PAVEMENT, BUT YEAH.
WELL YOU GOT 40 FEET NOW, RIGHT? YEAH, 40 FEET FROM THE REAR AND THE FRONT.
AND, AND WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? UM, LEMME JUST DOUBLE CHECK.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE KEEPING THE BUILDING 15.8 FEET FROM THE EAST SIDE, SO 40 MINUS 15.8, AND THEN AT 24 FOOT ON THAT WEST SIDE.
SO THAT'D BE 18, 16 FEET INTO THAT.
WE HAVE AN ODD SKINNY LONG LOT OVER THERE.
IT, IT'S BUT 5.8 FEET FARTHER THAN THE CURRENT BUILDING.
FIVE, 5.8 MORE FEET THAN THE CURRENT BUILDING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL BLOCKS.
UM, SO IT'S, YEAH, IF YOU COMPARE IT TO THE CODE, IT'S A PRETTY BIG VARIANCE, BUT IF YOU COMPARE TO WHAT'S THERE, WHICH SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT, SO, SO YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS THAT WE NEED TO DO? WELL, SO YOUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO SUBMIT A FULL PLAT, IS THAT WHAT IT, AND THEN, UM, GO TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR THE VARIANCES.
UH, WE CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT BEFORE THE VARIANCES ARE GRANTED, BUT SOMETIMES YOU CAN BE AT THE ZONING BOARD ON TUESDAY AND WE CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THAT WEDNESDAY.
UM, IF THAT WORKS OUT THAT WAY, IT MIGHT NOT WORK OUT THAT WAY OR NOT.
IT MIGHT BE BE A FEW WEEKS OFF, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS.
SO ZONING BOARD FOR VARIANCES.
AND THEN AFTER THAT WOULD BE THAT.
SO YOU GOTTA PUT, YOU GOTTA SUBMIT THE FINAL PLANS BEFORE YOU CAN GO TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR VARIANCES.
SO FROM THE NEXT THEY MIGHT NEED TO CHECK THE REZONING CONDITIONS.
UM, IT MAY NOT, THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET A VARIANCE IF IT WAS A CONDITION OF THE SETBACK.
IF, UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK THOSE CONDITIONS.
BUT IT IS A, A SKINNY LOT AND WE WERE, IT WAS, UH, AN AESTHETIC LIKE PLASTIC SURGERY TYPE PLACE THAT WAS GONNA BE THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DIFFERENT YOUR PLAN IS TO THAT ONE THAT DID GET THE REZONING.
SO IS, IS THIS GONNA TAKE THE PLACE OF THE ONE IN THE, IN THE MALL AREA? UH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THE MALL AREA IS.
YOU KNOW RIGHT WHERE GAMESTOP AND ALL 'EM ARE IN THERE? NO.
WELL THEY HAVE ONE NOW ON THE RING ON THE MALL.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS GONNA REPLACE THAT OR IS THIS GONNA BE IN ADDITION TO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I WOULD GUESS THAT IT'S A NEW ONE, BUT DON'T HOLD ME TO THAT.
THAT IN THE MEDICAL WASTE IS IMPORTANT.
WHEN'S THE NEXT ZONING BOARD MEETING? IT'S NEXT TUESDAY.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE THE FIRST TUESDAY OF APRIL.
SO WE, WE COULD PUT IT ON FOR MARCH 15TH IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE STUFF IN BY THEN TO THEN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR APRIL 5TH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR APRIL 5TH BEFORE YOU'RE EVEN SCHEDULED FOR THE ZONING BOARD.
SO, UM, YOU PROBABLY HAVE FULL APPLICATION BEFORE WE
SO, UM, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU'D GET THE FULL APPLICATION AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GONNA GO.
SO YOU STILL GOTTA CHECK THOSE CONDITIONS, RIGHT? ANSWERS TRULY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE THAT 15TH THAT, YEAH.
GET INTO THAT APRIL 4TH MEETING.
SO YOU WANNA COME BACK ON MARCH 15TH? YEAH.
HOW MANY DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING DOES HE HAVE TO HAVE IT IN? UH, TWO WEEKS.
TWO DAYS? WHAT'S THAT? TWO WEEKS.
FOR THE NEXT ZBA MEETING, I DON'T KNOW.
WHO'S SUPPORTING THE DVA NOW? DO WE KNOW? UM, IF IT'S NOT JOSH, I DON'T KNOW.
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TABLE ASPEN DENTAL MANAGEMENT INC.MOTION BY MR. CLARK, SECOND BY CINDY
OH, WE HAVE SO ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OH, I DID MR. CLARK AND I DID THAT.
I SAID I WAS JUST DOING FIRST NAMES
RIGHT? I TRIED TO GO GENDER NEUTRAL AND THEN I MESSED UP ALREADY.
THANK YOU FOR VERY NICE PRESENTATION.
YEAH, YOU CAN COME BY MORE OFTEN IF YOU WANT.
REALLY? ON WEDNESDAYS, RIGHT? SO A FEW MINUTES? A FEW? YEAH.
I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL FOR NOT HAVING THE FINAL STUFF IN SHEET.
YOU WANT SIGN SINCE WE YEAH, LEMME SIGN HERE.
AND HAVE YOU CHECKED YOUR MAILBOX? NO.
IS THERE STUFF IN IT? THERE'S STUFF IN IT.
TEXT ME WHEN THERE'S STUFF IN IT SO I KNOW TO CHECK IT.
I'LL GET JANE TO DO IT BECAUSE SHE USUALLY, BUT SHE DID SAY THAT SHE PUT DEER SPRINGS IN THERE A LITTLE WHILE AGO.
IT WAS STILL IN THERE AS WELL AS SOME OTHER STUFF THAT SHE DID NOT PUT IN THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN, OKAY.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CODE IS? I GOT IT IN MY TEXTS, BUT IT'S LIKE THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK YEARS INTO MY TEXT TO GET THE CODE.
SO IF HE'S GOT THE STUFF BY THE 15TH, THAT SHOULD BE ALL RIGHT.
AND THEY DON'T NEED FINAL ANCE.
JUST CHECK THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN TRY AND GET ON THE ZPA BEFORE YOU EVEN GET THE FINAL PLANS FROM SARAH.
OH, LIKE WHAT MAGIC DID YOU HAVE? MUCH? I OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY WITH ALL KNOWLEDGE.
SARAH IN THE PHONE, WHICH WAS IN THE CAR.
LET'S SEE, I GOT 10 MINUTES, CHRIS.
THE BAR WAS SET BY THE GUEST PLAN APPROVAL AND HE PLUGGED HIS LAPTOP AND THEN DID IT ALL ON THE SCREEN.
I WAS PUT MY LAPTOP IN MY BAG WHEN I CAME AND I WAS LIKE, NAH.
AND NOW CAN WE JUST BRING A SCAN? NO, WE GOT, IT'S NOT A SMART TV.
IT'S JUST GOT A-H-G-I-I CAN BRING MY, I CAN BRING MY LAPTOP.
WE'RE GONNA GET YOU THERE EVENTUALLY.
I'M GONNA GO UP THERE RIGHT NOW.
IS EMAIL THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
I HAD TO PRESENT TO THE WEST SENECA ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND THEY HAD, THEY'RE IN THE BASEMENT OF THE LIBRARY WITH LIKE A SMART BOARD MICROPHONES AND THEY WERE APOLOGIZING TO ME FOR THE, UM, THEY WERE APOLOGIZING TO ME FOR LIKE THE STATE OF AFFAIRS AND I WAS LIKE, TEAM, WE'RE IN THE TOWN HALL BASEMENT.
WHAT IS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? THE COMMUNITY BUILDING.
YEAH, JUST DON'T SIT IN THEIR CHAIRS.
CINDY WAS SO APOLOGETIC AND I WAS LIKE, ARE YOU KIDDING? IS BEAUTIFUL
MEANWHILE I WAS LIKE ANYWHERE ALL OVER LIKE THE RURAL AMERICA.
THERE'S NO, UH, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE WIFI RICO.
NO, THERE'S NO WIFI WHERE I GO.
YEAH, THAT WAS MALONE WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH MORE POPULATED COMPARED TO WHERE WE WERE TOWN OF CLINTON.
OH YEAH, WE DID UM, WE DID A TROUT SCREEN PROJECT LIKE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YEAH, CAMMY, IF SOMEBODY TEXTS ME, I'LL USUALLY CHECK IT LIKE AFTER THE THIRD TIME THEY TEXT ME.
BUT IF THEY DON'T I DON'T EVEN KNOW TO CHECK IT.
NOT WHILE WE'RE ON RECORDING THOUGH.
WHAT? THE LAST MEETING THAT LIKE GAVE SOMEBODY YOUR NUMBER WHILE WE WERE ON FACEBOOK.
YEAH, WE'RE STILL ON FACEBOOK.
I'M NOT GONNA GIVE YOU MY NUMBER WHILE WE'RE ON FACEBOOK.
NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA GO AND LOOK AT LAST MEETING.
SO BILL'S NUMBER IS, SO ARE THESE NEW PLANS? NO, THESE WOULD BE ONES I'VE ALREADY APPROVED.
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RIGHT? WHAT? DEER SPRING.THIS DEER IS THIS DEER SPRING.
YEAH, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THEY AT ONE POINT HAD LIKE LOTS OFFER HERE AND THEY HAD TO DO WITH JUST, THESE ARE LIKE THE LAST AND AT ONE POINT THEY, YEAH.
HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
THIS CAME FROM I CAN HELP CASE FREAKING LEFTIES.
YOU SMUDGE A LOT WHEN YOU YEAH, SOMETIMES I GET NICE PENS SO I WON'T LET THESE ARE, THESE ARE NOT EASY.
AND THEY TAKE LIKE AN EXTRA COUPLE
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TAKES OFF AND MAKES SO MUCH MONEY.THEY NEED ANOTHER YEAH, THEY, I'M THE THAT'S AWESOME.
SO WE HAD TO DO IS WE HAVE, OH, BILL, JEFF, UM, CAN WE GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO READ IT? WE JUST NEED TO GET SOMEBODY SEND IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, RIGHT? SEND IT TO, DO YOU WANT SEND IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE? YOU SENT IT TO ME.
DO WHAT? READ THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE.
AH, LAST TIME I READ SOMETHING LIKE A NIGHTMARE, WHICH SURE.
SEND IT TO ONE OF THE PEOPLE WITH THE LAPTOP.
NO, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE BRICK MINE, MINE WORK.
I MEAN THESE DOCKS OPEN THUS FAR.
AGAIN, LET'S WRAP IT UP FOR THE WIFI GOES OUT WHERE ANYTHING WEIRD HAPPENS IN THE WIFI GOES OUT.
I I, I DON'T THINK JOSH, ARE YOU ABLE TO PARTY ON THIS TEXT THREAD I JUST SAW? YEAH, BUT THAT'S YOU.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE ARE SHE PROOF? GOOD LUCK.
SORRY,
CAN WE JUST GET THIS RIGHT? ALL RIGHT, SO WELCOME TO THE MARCH 1ST, 2023 MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD.
WILL EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE?
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I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT, SO NUMBER FIVE ON THE AGENDA SLASH CAR WASH IS ASKED TO BE TABLED.
SO WE WON'T BE HEARING THAT TODAY.
SO, SO NUMBER FIVE IS NOT GONNA BE HEARD.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 7 1 16 STORAGE LLC REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 71,400 SQUARE FOOT SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
UM, VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF SOUTH PARK AVENUE AND SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SEAN HOPKINS OF THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS STORAGE AND MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
7 1 6 SELF STORAGE LLC ALSO WITH ME IS CHRIS WOOD, THE PROJECT ENGINEER AS WELL AS BRIAN BURKE, MARK WALBERT AND GREG S MEMBERS OF THE PROJECT TEAM.
SOME OF YOU RECALL, WE ACTUALLY LAST PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO YOU DURING YOUR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 15TH OF LAST YEAR.
DURING THAT MEETING, YOU AUTHORIZED A COMMENCEMENT OF A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT.
EARLIER THIS YEAR A LEAD AGENCY SOLICITATION LETTER WAS ISSUED ON BEHALF OF THIS BOARD.
SO YOU ARE ACTUALLY NOW IN A POSITION THAT YOU COULD ISSUE A SECRET DETERMINATION.
THE PROJECT ITSELF, AS YOU RECALL, WILL TAKE PLACE ON PROPERTY THAT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 5.1 ACRES.
JUST TO ACCLIMATE EVERYONE, BAYVIEW ROAD, SOUTH PARK AVENUE AND SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE CAR WASH PROJECT THAT YOU APPROVED IN THE FALL OF 2021.
THE SITE IS PROPERLY ZONED C TWO.
WE'RE SEEKING THREE APPROVALS.
NUMBER ONE, IT DOES OF COURSE REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL AS IT'S A CASE WITH ANY COMMERCIAL PROJECT.
NUMBER TWO, WE'RE SEEKING MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA CREATE A NEW PARCEL CONSISTING SIMPLY OF THE PROJECT SITE.
IT'S CURRENTLY UH, PORTIONS OF THREE SEPARATE PARCELS.
AND THEN FINALLY WE NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE.
AND I WOULD NOTE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA IS HERE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE CAR WASH IT.
IT CONSISTS OF 19 SPACES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE, UH, WHICH AGAIN DOES REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE DO HAVE SOME CONCEPTUAL COLOR ELEVATION.
SO THIS IS CURRENTLY OVERLAPPING MULTIPLE PARCELS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SUBDIVIDE, BUT THEN DO YOU ALSO NEED TO CREATE A NEW PARCEL? YES.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SUBDIVIDE AND CREATE A NEW PARCEL.
WHICH A MINOR SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE ACTUALLY ONLY, YOU'RE TAKING PORTIONS OF THREE PARCELS OF CREATE NEW PARCEL IN THE, THEN THERE'LL BE NO ADDITIONAL PARCELS.
SO EACH PARCEL WILL HAVE ONE PORTION SPLIT OFF, BUT THEN THAT WILL BE MERGED INTO ONE.
AND THAT WILL BE DONE VIA RECORDING A DEED AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE UPON APPROVAL.
THE BUILDING ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 70,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
AS I MENTIONED, IT IS PERMITTED IN THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RANGE OF ALLOWABLE USES SPECIFIED IN THAT SECTION OF THE ZONING CODE, THERE ARE CERTAINLY MANY MORE USES OF WHICH BE MUCH MORE INTENSIVE.
UH, WE'VE DONE A COMPREHENSIVE MARKET STUDY, WE KNOW THERE'S AMPLE DEMAND FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IN THIS VICINITY IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
UH, WE'RE GONNA OBVIOUSLY MAKE AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A NICE PROJECT IN TERMS OF THE AESTHETICS, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, AND A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF THE OTHER FACTORS.
I DO WANT TO GO THROUGH VERY QUICKLY WHAT THE CRITERIA ARE FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND I WOULD NOTE THAT ALL OF THIS IS SPECIFIED IN DETAIL WITHIN THE APPLICATION.
SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS OF THE ZONING CODE THAT APPLY TO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
THE FIRST ONE IS SECTION 2 83 26 0.1.
THAT DEALS WITH PRIVATE RENTAL STORAGE, OUTDOOR STORAGE.
AND IT HAS TWO CRITERIA THAT THE PLANNING BOARD NEEDS TO CONSIDER.
NUMBER ONE, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA, IN THIS CASE CONSISTING OF 19 SPACES MUST BE AT LEAST 200 FEET FROM THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY AND INCLUDE LANDSCAPING TO PROPERLY SCREEN IT FROM THE ROAD IF NECESSARY.
SO THE PLAN THAT WE'RE PRESENTING THIS EVENING SHOWS THAT WE DO HAVE THE REQUIRED 200 FOOT SETBACK BOTH FROM SOUTHWESTERN AND RILEY.
IN TERMS OF SCREENING, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO PUT SOME INTENSIVE LANDSCAPING.
I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY ALL AGREE PUTTING A FENCE ALONG THE EDGE OF THE PROJECT SITE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE CAR WASH PROBABLY WOULD NOT LOOK TOO GOOD.
I THINK, UH, LANDSCAPING IS A BETTER ANSWER.
CHRIS DID PREPARE A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
THE SECOND CRITERIA IS ALL AREAS OF BUDDING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS OR USES SHALL BE SCREENED FROM THEM BY A LANDSCAPE FIRM.
THAT PARTICULAR CRITERIA DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS PROJECT.
GIVEN THAT OBVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR HAS THE EXACT SAME ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
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AND THEN IF YOU GO TO SECTION TWO 80 DASH THREE 12 B OF THE ZONING CODE, IT SPECIFIES CRITERIA THAT APPLY TO ANY REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THIS BOARD.THE FIRST CRITERIA IS THAT IT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSES INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER.
CRITERIA NUMBER TWO IS IT WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH SAFETY OR THE GENERAL WELFARE CRITERIA.
NUMBER THREE IS IT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CARE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOR BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTS THEREOF.
AND THEN FINALLY, CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
I THINK WE CAN ALL PROBABLY AGREE THAT THOSE CRITERIA WE CAN SATISFY IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
WE'RE NOT ADJACENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL USES.
IT'S RELATIVELY UN INTENSIVE OR IN INTENSIVE USE OF THIS SITE GIVEN ITS ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
AND THEN FINALLY, NOT ONLY DOES THE PROJECT REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MINOR SUBDIVISION AS WELL AS THE SECRET DETERMINATION FROM THIS BOARD OBVIOUSLY WILL BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT IN A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF OTHER APPROVALS AND PERMITS, ENSURING THAT IT COMPLIES WITH ALL RULES AND REGULATIONS.
I DO WANT TO FINALLY CIRCLE BACK IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW BECAUSE THIS IS A PORTION OF THE MUCH LARGER BUSINESS PARK THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AND SUBJECT TO A FINDING STATEMENT.
AS IS THE CASE WITH OTHER PROJECTS ON THIS OVERALL SITE, WHICH SOME OF YOU RECALL, THERE WERE SEVERAL OPTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU.
NUMBER ONE, YOU COULD ULTIMATELY DECIDE THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDING STATEMENT.
UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS ONE OF THOSE OUTDATED FINDING STATEMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL THAT WE PROBABLY LIKE IN 2023.
NUMBER TWO, YOU COULD ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION.
NUMBER THREE, IF YOU ULTIMATELY FOUND THAT THE PROJECT INVOLVED POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, YOU COULD ISSUE A POSITIVE DECLARATION REQUIRING THE PREPARATION OF A SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
SO YOU HAVE THOSE OBVIOUSLY CRITERIA IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE THINK THE SECOND OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS IS THE BEST OF COURSE ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
I WOULD NOTE WE HAVE SUBMITTED A PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
AND TO DATE, NONE OF THE INVOLVED OR INTERESTED AGENCIES THAT HAVE COMMENTED ON THE PLANNING BOARD'S REQUEST TO ACT AS A DESIGNATED LEAD AGENCY HAVE EXPRESSED ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, RESULTING IN ANY POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
THERE'S NO WETLANDS HERE, THERE'S NO DESIGNATED CULTURAL RESOURCES, THERE'S NO HISTORIC RESOURCES.
SO FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, WE THINK THIS IS RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THAT'S A PROJECT IN A NUTSHELL.
WE'RE HOPING THAT IN THE NEAR POSITION, IN THE NEAR FUTURE YOU'D BE IN A POSITION TO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PREPARE DRAFT OF THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND THE APPROVAL DOCUMENTATION FOR YOUR REVIEW.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS EITHER MYSELF, CHRIS, OR THE MEMBERS OF THE PROJECT TEAM WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM.
SO IN IAN SURFACE IS INCREASING AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL EIS AS WELL.
SO WHAT WAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT WAS ASSUMED IN THE ORIGINAL FINDING STATEMENT AND WHERE WOULD THIS INCREASED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COMBINED WITH THE OTHER THINGS WE KNOW ABOUT HIT US IN TERMS OF, OF THAT MANAGEMENT.
SO FIRST ALL, I'M GONNA LET CHRIS ANSWER HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS STORMWATER ON SITE.
CHRIS, DO YOU WANNA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW? RIGHT.
WE HAVE TWO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS.
ONE ALONG RILEY AND THEN ONE ALONG SOUTH PARK.
OBVIOUSLY THEY DO HAVE TO BE DESIGNING ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN AND DC REQUIREMENTS WHICH REQUIRE TREATMENT AND STORAGE SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE DONE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE WILL BE SIZED TO ACCOMMODATE THE INCREASE IN IMPIOUS.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE THREE OF THE FINDING STATEMENT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED, ONE OF THE UH, TOPICS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WAS IMPACTS ON WATER AND THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WAY BACK THEN MORE AS FOLLOWS, THE PROJECT MUST CONFORM THE NEW YORK STATE STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION RE REGULATIONS AND A SW WILL BE REQUIRED FOR EACH PARCEL.
AND OBVIOUSLY IN FACT, STORM WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS ARE MUCH MORE STRINGENT THAN THEY WERE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THE SECOND ONE WAS INDIVIDUAL SITE PLANS AND STORM WATER PLANS WILL BE SUBJECT TO TOWN APPROVAL PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION.
DETAILED STORM WATER CALCULATIONS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR EACH PARCEL.
CHRIS AND HIS TEAM OBVIOUSLY WILL SUBMIT FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS ALONG WITH AN ENGINEER'S REPORT, AS IS ALWAYS THE CASE.
CAMMY AND THE PEOPLE AT GHD WILL REVIEW THOSE TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.
SO WE CAN OBVIOUSLY ADDRESS THAT CRITERIA.
THE NEXT ONE IS IF WATER OR SEWER DEMAND FIGURES ATTRIBUTABLE THE PROJECT INCREASE BEYOND THE LEVELS USED IN THE DGIS OR AND FGS COUNT MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
THIS PROJECT WILL USE VERY LITTLE IN TERMS OF EITHER WATER OR SEWER.
AND WE DID ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IN PART ONE OF THE EAF.
NEXT ONE IS JUST THAT THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THE SITE.
AND THEN FINALLY ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY APPROVAL WILL BE REQUIRED FOR WATER SERVICE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
OBVIOUSLY WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CHRIS IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEIR STANDARDS AND WHILE WE'LL BE USING VERY LITTLE WATER,
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WE WILL OBTAIN AN APPROVAL FROM ER COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.SO I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE CRITERIA THAT WERE SET FORTH IN THE FINDING STATEMENT BACK AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO WITH THE CREATION OF A NEW PARCEL, WHICH ONE IS THE FRONT YARD NOW AND WHERE WHAT DO YOU HIT? ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
WE DO MEET ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT IT, IT'D BE LIKE A CORNER LOT.
SO YOU, YOUR EXTERIOR SIDE YARDS ARE THE SAME AS THE FRONT YARD.
EXCEPT WE HAVE THREE FRONT YARDS.
SO IS THE OTHER ONE A SIDE OR BACK? THIS, THIS OVER HERE? THE SIDE? YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A SIDE.
AND CHRIS HAS ALL THOSE IN HIS SITE, BUT WE NEED ALL OF THEM.
AND YOU DON'T NEED ANY AREA VARIANCE? NO.
WE'VE DESIGNED THIS PROJECT SO WE DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED ANY RELIEF FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING FOR YOUR OUTDOOR STORAGE? UM, I THINK IT WOULD JUST GENERALLY BE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES GUYS.
WHAT, WHAT'S, I MEAN HOW HIGH? WHY? WELL, YOUR BASIC, YOUR BASIC RV.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT DIMENSIONS ARE.
I THINK WE ALL CAN PICTURE WHAT THEY ARE.
HOW, HOW, WHAT ARE THOSE SPACES DESIGNED THAT CHRIS? IN TERMS OF THE DIMENSIONS? UH, 10 BY 35.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE HEIGHT IS COVERED BY EITHER A FENCE OR, OR THE TREES AND LANDSCAPING.
SO SEE PEOPLE RIDING BY AND SEEING IT WHEN WE DID THE SEEKER FOR THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF THAT.
THE SEEKER SAYS OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS ARE NOT ALLOWED UNLESS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW DETERMINES THAT SUCH DISPLAY AS PROPOSED ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
ANY ALLOWED OUTDOOR OPEN STORAGE SPACE WILL BE DESIGNED SO AS TO BE CONNECTED TO THE MAIN BUILDING AND APPEAR TO BE A CONTINUATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING AND OR FENCING WILL BE USED TO SCREEN THE CONTENTS OF ANY ALLOWED OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA FOR PUBLIC ROADS.
SO WE'VE ALREADY SAID THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA DO OUTDOOR STORAGE IN THE AREA, THEY HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT'S CHANGED IS THIS ALSO NOW REQUIRES OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE, REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REGARDLESS.
WHERE WOULD THE OUTDOOR STORAGE BE? YEAH.
HIGHLIGHT WHERE THESE PARKING SPACES AND THESE PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE STACKING AREA FOR THE CAR WASH.
AND THERE IS THE BAR ON THE CORNER TOO.
SO HOW IS THAT DESIGNED TO BE A CONTINUATION OF THE MAIN BUILDING? YEAH, THIS OUTDOOR STORAGE.
HOW IS IT? HONESTLY, I THINK THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE AND THAT'S IN THERE, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW BUT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A CONTRACTOR'S SHOP THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.
THAT WOULD BE A CONTINUATION OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS, I THINK, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM STANDARD JUST OUTDOOR STORAGE.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THAT MEANS.
A CONTINUATION OF THE BUILDING YET.
PROBABLY NOT A FENCE ALONG THE YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING AND YOU WOULD'VE, YOUR FENCE STARTED THE BUILDING.
SO I MEAN YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S PRETTY PROXIMATE.
RIGHT? YOU KNOW, SO IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE? SO IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA PULL A FULL SIZE RV, THOSE ARE ALL PULL IN SPACES.
THERE'S NO LIKE PULL THROUGH SPACES.
IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE TO BACK IN AND OUT? YEAH.
WE HAVE A 30 FOOT DRIVE AISLE BETWEEN HERE.
THESE SPACES HERE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AMPLE ROOM IN THIS WHOLE BIG PAVED AREA HERE AND ORDER BACK FORTH.
WHAT'S THE CORNER OF THAT ONE PARKING SPOT TO THE END OF THE SHADED AREA? WHAT'S THAT DISTANCE? THAT'S 24 HERE.
BUT THAT SHADED AREA IS ALSO BLACKED OUT.
WHAT IS THAT MEANT TO DO NOTE CHRIS? THE SHADED AREA? YEAH.
WELL THE WAY THE STORAGE WORKS IS THERE'S OVERHEAD DOORS ON BOTH SIDES.
I DON'T, WHEN YOU PULL IN, UNLOAD YOUR STUFF, BRING TO THE STORAGE AND THEN YOU DRIVE OUT THE OTHER SIDE, THE HATCH AREA IS JUST SO NOBODY PARKS THERE.
IS THAT NOT OUTDOOR STORAGE A SECURE AREA THEN IT IT DOES NOT HAVE A GATE.
DOES IT HAVE A FENCE? DOESN'T HAVE A FENCE.
I MEAN WE'D BE, AGAIN, WE'RE WILLING TO DISCUSS FENCING AND OR LANDSCAPING.
I THINK THE PREFERENCE, ESPECIALLY AT LEAST ON THE SIDE OF THE CAR WASH WOULD BE LANDSCAPING.
I, I THINK LANDSCAPING WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN A FENCE.
'CAUSE AS, AS DENNIS POINTED OUT, THE RVS ARE GONNA BE TALLER THAN ANY FENCE WE SHOULD PUT THERE.
BUT WHAT SIZE IS LANDSCAPING ARE GONNA PUT TO START WITH? WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IS THE LANDSCAPING GONNA BE TALL ENOUGH TO OBSTRUCT? THAT WOULD BE TO HEIGHT EVERYTHING.
WELL IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WOULD WANT US TO TAKE A LOOK AT AT LEAST INCREASING SOMEWHAT THE HEIGHT, ESPECIALLY JUST AROUND THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER.
WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BURN UP THIS AREA HERE SLIGHTLY.
I KNOW I DON'T EVEN LIKE THAT.
BUT WE COULD BURN IT UP SLIGHTLY AND PUT THE TREES ON TOP OF THAT.
THAT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN PLANTING THEM ON THE GROUND.
NOT, NOT A BIG BERM, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S TWO OR THREE FEET HIGH.
THAT'S GRADUAL AS OPPOSED TO YEAH, I THINK WE CAN CLEARLY DO IT.
SO THERE WON'T BE WHAT DENNIS'S CONCERN WAS, VISUAL IMPACTS FROM THE ROADWAYS.
WELL NEIL, I MEAN HOW DO YOU SEE US FROM THE ROAD, ISN'T IT, BETWEEN THE STORAGE BUILDING AND THE YEAH.
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IT'S NOT GONNA BE A REAL CLEAR VIEW.AND YOU SAID THERE'S A BAR ON THE CORNER? YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A BAR.
THERE'S A BAR ON THE CORNER HERE.
YOU COULD PROBABLY SEE IT FROM SOUTHWESTERN.
BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE GREEN SPACE HERE.
WE COULD ALSO PUT LANDSCAPING.
WE HAVE THIS LARGE GREEN SPACE HERE AND THAT'S, IF YOU REALLY LOOK, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PARTICULARLY NOTICE.
I DON'T THINK IF YOU DRIVING BY.
I NOTICED THE LIGHTS ON THERE.
I I WOULD AGREE THAT IS, YEAH.
I HAVE SOME KELY I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE UP THERE.
'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS TRAFFIC PATTERN BECAUSE I HAVE THE LUXURY OF FLOWING THIS UP TO NERD SIZE AND UM, CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC? OKAY.
BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE, BUT THESE ARROWS HAVE THEM GOING LIKE THIS.
WELL, THEY, THEY THIS HERE, THEY, THEY ENTER IN HERE.
EXIT OUT HERE FOR THE BILLING PORTION.
FOR THIS DRIVE AISLE IS DESIGNED TO BE TWO WAY DRIVE AISLE.
ONE OFF RILEY BOULEVARD AND ONE THAT'S OFF OF SOUTHWESTERN.
BUT IT UTILIZES THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY WE PUT IN WHEN WE DID THE CAR WASH.
IT IS RECALL THAT SOME OF YOU WERE ON THE BOARD, YOU ACTUALLY WANTED THAT SO THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED AN INITIAL CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN.
SO THERE'S THREE, THREE COMPANIES USING THAT, THAT DRIVE THERE.
WILL TRACTOR SUPPLY THE CAR WASH IN THIS PROJECT? YES.
AND TRACTOR SUPPLY AND THE CAR WASH WOULD ALSO HAVE, AND AND THIS FACILITY ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO USE THIS DRIVEWAY THAT WE PUT IN AS PART OF THE CAR WASH.
I, I THINK HERE'S WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT.
IF WE GO DOWN TOWARD THE BOTTOM WHERE THOSE LIKE TRIPLE ENTRANCES ARE HERE.
SO YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN COME OUT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN COME OUT OF THE STORAGE ALSO, CHRIS, FIRST OF ALL, POINT TO WHERE TRA ALSO POINT TO WHERE TRACTOR SUPPLIES JUST SO EVERYONE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS.
SO WHEN YOU COME OUT HERE, YES.
THAT'S THE SAME PLACE THAT THEY COME IN AND HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT INTO THE CAR WASH AND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE COME OUT.
IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE TURNING LEFT TO GET TO THE DRIVEWAY.
RIGHT WHERE YOU EXIT OUT HERE.
YOU CAN EITHER GO RIGHT OR LEFT OUT TO RILEY OR OUT TO SOUTHWESTERN.
WELL I THINK I ROAD THERE HERE.
CAN I, CAN I COME POKE YOU? OH YEAH, YOU CAN.
UM, I THINK I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
RIGHT? SO PEOPLE COME IN, THEY CAN GO EITHER WAY HERE MM-HMM
AND THEN THEY CAN EITHER GO HERE TO THE CAR WASH OR HERE TO THE UM, THE STORAGE OR THEY CAN BE COMING OUT OF THE STORAGE WHILE SOMEONE IS COMING IN TO THE CAR WASH.
SO WE HAVE A DEDICATED, SO WE HAVE A LIFT DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE CAR WASH.
YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE REALLY DESCRIPTIVE WHEN YOU SAY HERE RIGHT FOR THE MINUTES.
OH, SORRY, THE CAMERA'S NOT POINTING AT THE PICTURE.
I DUNNO HOW TO DESCRIBE THE DRIVEWAY AREA.
SO THE WAY WAY WOULD FUNCTION IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ENTERING THE CAR WASH OR THE STORAGE FACILITY FROM SOUTHWESTERN, YOU WOULD COME IN OUT SOUTHWESTERN TO THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY AND MAKE A LEFT OR MAKE A RIGHT INTO THE NEW PRIVATE DRIVEWAY WHERE WE HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE THAT COULD GO TO THE CAR WASH AND THAT LEFT TURN LANE'S ONLY FOR THE CAR WASH TO PREVENT STACKING RIGHT.
OR A THROUGH LANE THAT COULD GO TO THE STORAGE.
AND ACROSS FROM THAT LEFT TURN LANE, WE HAVE A, A LANDSCAPE ISLAND.
SO THIS LEFT TURN LANE, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE CAR WASH.
YOU CAN'T GO, CAN'T GO THROUGH.
AND THEN EXITING OUT, THERE'S A GATE FOR THE, BECAUSE THIS, THIS WHOLE ENTIRE FACILITY IS GATED.
UM, SO YOU WOULD STOP AT THE GATE, CONTINUE STRAIGHT TO THE PRIVATE, IT'S GONNA NEED A NAME NORTH, NORTH, NORTH SOUTH, NORTH, SOUTH PRIVATE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN TRACTOR SUPPLY AND CAR WASH.
AND YOU CAN EITHER MAKE A RIGHT AND GO OUT TO RILEY BOULEVARD OR A LEFT AND GO OUT TO SOUTHWESTERN AND THAT SOUTHWESTERN DRIVEWAY CURB CUT AT SOUTHWESTERN.
IT'S CURRENTLY RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
SO YOU CAN'T UH, YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN.
CAN'T MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUT.
AND THAT WAS ALL PART OF THE, AS YOU MANY OF YOU'RE REQUIRED, REMEMBER THAT'S HOW THAT WAS REQUIRED.
SO INSIDE OFF THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY AND INSIDE WHERE THIS DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE IS, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF RISK OF THE PEOPLE EXITING THE STORAGE PLACE AT THE GATE TOWARDS SOUTHWESTERN MM-HMM
TO GET CAUGHT UP WITH THE PEOPLE MAKING A LEFT INTO THE CAR WASH IN THE EVENT THAT THE CAR WASH IS BACKED UP.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
LIKE WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING? IT IS VERY LOW.
I MEAN IF YOU, IF DRIVEN BY ANY OF THESE CAR WASHES, NOT JUST THIS ONE, BUT ANY OF THEM, THESE STACKING LANES ARE MORE THAN AMPLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THEY GET THERE AT ANY, ANY TIME OF DAY ON EVEN ON THE WEEKEND.
SO THAT WOULD BE LOW PLUS IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT HAS STOP SIGNS.
MARGO, SHE'LL BE STOPPING IT AS YOU'RE EXITING THE STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH THAT IS GOOD.
SO YOU SEE WHETHER YOU HAVE A CLEAR GOING ACROSS.
AND WE HAVE A GATE HERE, RIGHT? THERE'S A GATE.
OR THE UP, IT'S AN UP DOWN, NOT A SIDE TO SIDE THAT TAKES UP A LOT OF ROOM, SIDE TO SIDE.
SO, WELL I DID WANT TO COME BACK 'CAUSE IT WILL OVERALL BE A SECURE FACILITY.
IT'S PEOPLE WITH RVS GENERAL LIKE THE SECURE YEAH.
THE TREE LINE DOESN'T REALLY DO MUCH GOOD THERE.
BUT ALSO WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW IN MIND, AGAIN, RVS U-HAUL IS THINGS COME, LIKE ARE THOSE TURNED WIDE ENOUGH TO GET INTO YEAH.
I MEAN THIS, THIS RADIUS HERE IS 23 FEET, WHICH IS MORE SUFFICIENT FOR A U-HAUL TRUCK.
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ALL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FIRE TRUCK AS WELL.SO IT'S 35, 35 FEET HERE, WHICH IS AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA BE TURNED AGAINST IT THIS WAY IS IS MORE THAN AMPLE FOR, FOR U-HAUL TRUCK.
THERE'S AN IN AND OUT ON RILEY BOULEVARD ALSO.
SO RILEY BOULEVARD IS A FULL ACCESS AGAIN G GATED IN AND GATE IT OUT.
WHERE'S THE OFFICE FACILITY AND HOW DO PEOPLE GET IN TO ACCESS THE PUBLIC OFFICE? DO THEY NEED A CODE TO GET IN THROUGH THE GATE OR ANYTHING TO GET INTO THE FACILITY? THE VEHICLE YOU'LL, YOU'LL NEED, YOU'LL NEED A GATE OR YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO OFFICE.
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE GATE TO GET IN INTO THE FACILITY.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF THEY WERE GONNA COME IN AND RENT THE YEAH, SO WE GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD TOO.
MARK WALBERT ONE OF THE PROJECT PARTNERS.
SO WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY END UP DOING ORIGINALLY WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE HAVE AN OFFICE ON THE FRONT HERE, WE'LL LIKELY MOVE IT A BIT CLOSER TO THE OWN UNLOADING AREA WITH THE THOUGHT BEING THAT, UM, FOLKS CAN COME IN AND KIND OF BUZZ IN WITH MANAGER TO COME IN, PULL IN, THEY COULD WALK INTO THE OFFICE.
LIKEWISE, IF THEY'RE AN EXISTING TENANT, THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS THROUGH A FOB OR A CODE TO GO INTO THE, THE DOORS AND THEY'D BE ABLE TO KIND OF HANG A RIGHT INTERIOR TO GET TO THAT OFFICE AREA AS WELL.
SO THEY WOULD THEY WOULD BUZZ IN AT THE GATE.
OR THEY'D HAVE A FOB OR A CODE IF THEY'RE EXISTING CUSTOMER.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD, JUST BACK TO THE PREVIOUS POINT IS STORAGE.
SELF-STORAGE IS INHERENTLY A LOW DENSITY TRAFFIC COUNT.
SO THERE, THERE REALLY, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF FOLKS IN AND OUT.
I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE SAFETY CONCERN AND UH, WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE CARS, BUT TYPICALLY VERY LOW DENSITY IN TERMS OF, UH, FOLKS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITIES ON A DAILY BASIS AND DOESN'T GENERATE A LOT OF PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, AM AND PM WEEKDAY PEAK.
IT JUST DOESN'T, LET'S NOT LET PEOPLE GO.
ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW IS WHAT IS THE, BETWEEN THE CAR WASH FLOW AND THE RV PARKING, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S LIKE A RAISED CURVE WITH A RAISED LANDSCAPING.
LIKE WHAT, WHAT'S WHAT'S PREVENT SOMEONE FROM DRIVING THEIR RV INTO THE CARWASH, LANDSCAPING INTO THE CARWASH, I GUESS? WELL YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE ABOUT, UH, 25 OR 30 FEET OF GREEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE RV PARKING AND THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT FOR THE CAR WASH THAT IS THERE GONNA BE A CURB THERE OR ANYTHING? UH, RIGHT NOW WE DIDN'T PLAN THERE BE A CURVE, BUT THERE, THERE WILL BE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EDGE.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T RECALL IF THERE'S CURBING ON THE, ON THE CAR WASH OR NOT.
YEAH, I THINK THERE IS MOST LIKELY IS I BELIEVE THERE IS THAT, OR, YOU KNOW, DECORATIVE BOULDERS OR IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A 35 FOOT OR 30 FOOT RV, YOU'RE, YOU'RE COGNIZANT OF OF WHERE YOU'RE STOPPING.
I'VE MET A FEW OF THESE FOLKS.
SO, UM, THEY'RE VERY CAREFUL WITH THOSE.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME BARRIER BEHIND THAT WOULD BE, UH, I MEANT SECURITY.
I MEANT NOT FOR THOSE PEOPLE, BUT IF SOMEBODY WAS COMING IN, IT WAS NOT THE OWNER SURE.
TO PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM GETTING OH, FROM DRIVING IT AWAY.
YOU CAN'T GET YOUR RV WASHED IN THAT CAR WASH
I'M SURE THE CAB HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
DID WE TALK ABOUT THE CAB QUESTIONS LAST TIME HERE? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, I THINK THEY JUST
I THINK ABOUT, UM, OR CAN ME, UH, THE HIGH WATER TABLE AND POTENTIALLY WHAT I'M INFERRING IS IN UNSTABLE, SO THEY SAID SOILS ARE SILTY CLAY LOAM WITH A WATER TABLE OF ONE TO THREE FEET.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, SO THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT INFILTRATION, DOWNWARD MOVEMENT OF WATER.
AND I THINK THE STABILITY OF A BUILDING THAT BIG OR A STRUCTURE THAT BIG, THAT INFORMATION IS TAKEN FROM THE, THE WEB SOIL SURVEY MM-HMM
BUT THAT SAME SOIL TYPE IS PROBABLY 90% OF WHAT WESTERN NEW YORK IS.
IT'S, AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE TO DO SOIL BORINGS AND DESIGN THE FOUNDATION BASED ON THOSE ACTUAL SOIL BORINGS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS SLIDE BY AND GRAY DOESN'T HAVE A BASEMENT, SO IT'S JUST YOUR STANDARD FOUR FOOT, UM, FOUNDATIONS ARE ON THE PERIMETER AND INTERIOR COLUMN LINES.
SO IT'LL ALL BE DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED AND BY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER REVIEWED BY BILLING DEPARTMENT.
BUT I THINK IT, IT IS PRETTY, PRETTY STANDARD.
SO NO WORRIES ABOUT WEIGHT WOULD BE BUILT TO THE SOIL TYPE? NO, BUT AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW, UNDER CURRENT STANDARDS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GEO TACTICAL ENGINEER.
THEY PREPARE A REPORT AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO DESIGN YOUR FOUNDATION BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND YOUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOES A GOOD JOB OF ENSURING COMPLIANCE.
UH, THEIR OTHER CONCERN WAS THEY WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND A POSITIVE DECLARATION BASED PRIMARILY ON THE SOIL CONCERNS.
UM, BUT SCREENING OF THE STORMWATER RETENTION PONDS FROM THE ROADWAYS, WHICH I THINK IS FOR ANYONE ELSE TO WEIGH IN ON, THEY'RE ASKING FOR LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PONDS TO SCREEN VISIBILITY I THINK.
SO IT JUST SAYS CONCERNS REGARDING SCREENING OF STORMWATER, RETENTION PONDS, FROMS, THEY WON'T BE WET PONDS, THEY'LL BE DRY PONDS.
THEY'LL HAVE FIRE RETENTION AND DRY DETENTION.
SO THEY, THEY MAY HAVE SOME WATER IN THERE DURING STORM EVENTS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A DEPRESSED AREA THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOW BETWEEN STORM EVENTS SHOULD DRY OUT.
IS THERE AN AN OPTION FOR, UM,
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LIKE A GRASSY VEGETATED BUFFER AROUND THEM OR ANYTHING SINCE WE'RE LANDSCAPING? THERE'S LANDSCAPING.I MEAN, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE TREES AND THERE IS GRASS OBVIOUSLY BETWEEN THE CENTRAL BASIN AND THE STREET.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO THERE, THERE'LL BE TREES, THERE'LL BE SOME LANDSCAPING.
WE HAVE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PERIMETER.
AND RELATIVE TO THE NUMBER OF TREES YOU NEED RELATIVE TO THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE, I THINK WE'RE OKAY.
I THINK THE ONE THING WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IS THE LANDSCAPING AND THE VICINITY OF OUTDOOR.
OUTDOOR, RIGHT AT THE TIME, I, I SCALED THIS BACK YESTERDAY.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPING THERE FOR SCREENING.
SO WHEN YOU DO THE REVISED PLAN, IF YOU CAN REMEMBER HOW MANY THE BUNCH OF TREES THERE ARE BY THE 30 FOOT AND THEN WE WILL HOW MANY YOU HAVE? WE WILL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY ANYBODY ON THE PLANNING BOARD? ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF WE COULD READ THE NOTICE.
WE'LL GET UH, WHAT WAS THAT? WE GOT THE NOTICE.
WHERE'S JEFF? THE NOTICE GUY? YEAH, HE'S NOT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SCRAMBLING DAY OFF.
THERE'S TOO MUCH WORD TO THAT.
YOU WANNA RAISE HERE LEGAL NOTICE.
ARE EVERYBODY READY? LEGAL NOTICE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED ON A PROPOSAL BY 7 1 16 STORAGE LLC TO CONSTRUCT A 71,400 SQUARE FOOT SOUTH STORAGE FACILITY ON VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH PARK AVENUE AND SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD MARCH 1ST, 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF THE HE
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS ANYONE HERE THAT HAD ANY COMMENTS ABOUT 7 1 6 STORAGE.
UM, SO IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY GIVE COMMENTS.
SO YOU CAN, UH, STATE YOUR QUESTION AND HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT WILL ANSWER IT, BUT THEY WOULDN'T ANSWER IT AT THIS FORUM.
UM, SO WE'LL COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
CAN YOU SPELL THAT LAST NAME FOR US FOR THE MINUTE? P AS IN PETER, O-D-K-E-L-S-K-I.
UM, YOU MENTIONED TWICE THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY WEAPONS STORED ON THE PREMISES.
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT? SO WHEN WE, SO EACH AND EVERY TENANT OBVIOUSLY HAS TO SIGN A LEASE BEFORE YOU LEASE PREMISES HERE, AND IT DOES HAVE RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU CAN STORE IN THE FACILITY.
MARK, WHAT IS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TYPICAL RESTRICTIONS ARE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW? I, I WOULD DEFER TO GREG ACTUALLY PROPERTY MANAGE THAT ONE.
YEAH, SO IT WOULD BE GREG, COME ON UP SO THEY CAN GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
GREGO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPELL THAT.
SO STANDARD THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T STORE, INCLUDING FIREARMS, DRUGS, ALCOHOL, UH, EXPLOSIVES, GASOLINE, EXPLOSIVES WE LISTED IN OUR LEASE.
UH, AND THEY HAVE TO SIGN OFF AND INITIAL IF THEY'VE READ THESE ITEMS AND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CANNOT STORE 'EM IN THE FACILITY.
AND IF THE BOARD WANTED TO SEE A SAMPLE OF THAT, WE GLADLY SHARE IT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENT? WELL QUESTION ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT 7 1 6 STORAGE FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANNA SPEAK OF FOUR OR AGAINST 7 1 6 SELF STORAGE OR 7 1 6 STORAGE.
LLC BEING NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? I'LL CLOSE.
THERE WERE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THE PRIOR RIGHT.
UH, THE WORK SESSION BUT NOT ON THIS.
SO AT THIS TIME I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO WHEN DID YOU WANT TO COME BACK? I GUESS YOU HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LANDSCAPING.
YEAH, SO I THINK WE'D BE IN A POSITION TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
I THINK THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED TODAY WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS AND THEN HOPEFULLY IF WE'RE GOOD THERE, WE'VE BE IN A POSITION THAT YOU COULD AUTHORIZE APPROVAL DOCUMENTATION FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING.
HOW MANY THINGS DO WE HAVE FOR MARCH 15TH? JOSH? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE
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SAY TWO, ONE THAN TWO.RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FOUR WORK SESSION ITEMS AND FOUR REGULAR MEETING ITEMS. FOUR REGULAR MEETING ITEMS. ALL RIGHT.
NEXT, WELL, SO LET'S, WE CAN HAVE FIVE REGULAR ONES.
SO YOU GUYS FILLED UP MARCH 15TH.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 7 1 16 STORAGE LLC TO MARCH 15TH.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN COMES IN.
JOSH, CAN WE, CAN YOU SEND THAT TO THE CAB? TO THE CAB? YEP.
AND COULD SOMEONE FORWARD ME THE CAB COMMENTS? JOSH
DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM US TO YOU? THE
SO WE ALSO NEED AN UPDATED FINDING STATEMENT.
YOU KNOW, SO DREW FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS HAS DONE THAT FINDINGS FORM.
SO IF YOU GIVE US UPDATED FINDINGS FORM AND THEN PROBABLY WITH THE TWO AND THREE AND IF YOU NEED ANY INFORMATION, JOSHUA, DON'T TRIP ON THAT CORD.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HAMBURG RETAIL LLC REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT THE NINE UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AT 4 1 0 0 ST.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT ALONG WITH CHRIS WOOD.
THIS IS A PROJECT YOU SAW, I BELIEVE DURING YOUR MEETING ON JANUARY 18TH.
AS I RECALL, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT REQUIRES A USE VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
WE PRESENTED IT DURING A PUBLIC HEARING HELD BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IN EARLY JANUARY.
AT THAT MEETING, THEY ADOPTED A RESOLUTION TO SEEK LEAD AGENCY STATUS.
ULTIMATELY, UPON FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU DECIDED THAT YOU BELIEVED YOU WERE MORE APPROPRIATE TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY.
I THINK THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAS NOW CONCURRED WITH THAT, THE 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD FOR ANY OF THE INVOLVED INTERESTED AGENCIES TO OBJECT TO YOU BEING THE LEAD AGENCY HAS EXPIRED.
UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ONE OF THE KEY BENEFITS OF THIS SITE IS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE FORMER GAS STATION HERE, THE CANOPIES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THIS SITE HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS A CONTAMINATED AREA.
THE DEC HAS REACHED OUT TO OUR CLIENT AND STATED THAT THEY WANT TO SEE A CLEANUP OCCUR HERE.
SO WE WILL BE ENTERING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SITE IN THE NEW YORK STATE DEC BROWNFIELD PROGRAM.
AND THEN IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUIRED REMEDIATION OF THE CONTAMINATION ON SITE.
THAT'S RELATIVELY EXTENSIVE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT WAS A FORMER GAS STATION PREDATING MY CLIENT'S OWNERSHIP.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A SINGLE BUILDING WILL BE A TWO STORY TOWN HOME BUILDING NINE UNITS WITH ATTACHED GARAGES.
WE THINK IT'LL BE A VIABLE REUSE OF THIS PARCEL.
I THINK IF ANYONE KNOWS THIS SITE, WE CAN ALL AGREE IT'S NUMBER ONE UNDERUTILIZED TODAY.
AND NUMBER TWO, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF ITS ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION, A PROJECT THAT SITE THAT DESERVES SOME INTENTION IN TERMS OF THE CLEANUP FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE REQUIRED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, THE PROJECT OF COURSE, IS RELATIVELY SMALL.
WE DID SUBMIT THE COMPLETED ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM WITH THE APPLICATION.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT WOULD RESULT FROM THE REDEVELOPMENT OF A PORTION OF THIS PROJECT SITE? SO, QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE ADVERSE PART, BUT THE WAY THE SECRET LAW IS WRITTEN THAT IF, IF THERE'S ANY SIGNIFICANT, WHETHER THEY'RE BENEFICIAL OR ADVERSE, I THINK JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DOCUMENTED THE MAGNITUDE.
SO IT'S SOMETHING FOR MAYBE JENNIFER AND DREW AND TO THINK ABOUT IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO DO THIS IN A FINDING STATEMENT.
BECAUSE THERE WILL BE POTENTIALLY, WELL, THIS WON'T BE A FINDING SUBSTANTIAL, NOT A FINDING, PROVIDE SECRET DETERMINATION, SECRET DECISION BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT BROWNFIELD RIGHT COMPONENT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS A BENEFIT, BUT RIGHT.
ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND OF COURSE THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM IS VERY STRINGENT IN TERMS OF ITS REQUIREMENTS.
SO OBVIOUSLY WHILE YOU DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH THAT, WE HAVE TO MEET THEIR STANDARDS.
IN TERMS OF THE CLEANUP, IT REQUIRES TESTING THIRD PARTY MONITORING FINAL REPORTS TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLIANCE.
WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH ALL THOSE DETAILED STANDARDS.
IS THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM DOING ANY SORT OF, UH, SECRET DECISION AS PART OF THEIR GOING INTO THE PROGRAM WHERE THEIR ANALYSIS OF WHAT HAPPENS THERE? I BELIEVE THEY WOULD PROBABLY ULTIMATELY LIKE TO SEE THE SECRET DETERMINATION FROM, YOU WANNA SEE THAT THERE'S, SO THEY DON'T, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ONE FOR THEIR DECISIONS ON THE PROGRAM.
IF WE WERE DOING THE BROWNFIELD INDEPENDENT OF A PROJECT, THEY PROBABLY WOULD CAITLYN, BUT GENERALLY THEY WOULD PROBABLY PREFER AS A LOCAL LEAD AGENCY TO GET YOUR SECRET DETERMINATION.
AND THEY ARE AWARE THAT WE'RE PROGRESSING WITH SEEKING THE REQUIRED APPROVALS.
SO OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN YOUR TYPICAL ONE.
IN TERMS OF PROCESS, HOW THIS WOULD WORK GOING FORWARD IS ULTIMATELY ONCE YOU'VE ISSUED A SECRET DETERMINATION, WE'RE ASKING FOR A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IN YOUR CAPACITY AS A
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DESIGNATED LEAD AGENCY, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ULTIMATELY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THE USE VARIANCE.
IF THEY DIDN'T APPROVE THE USE VARIANCE WERE DONE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
IF THEY APPROVE THE USE VARIANCE, THEN WE WOULD COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
OBVIOUSLY CHRIS WOULD PROCEED WITH FOIA UNDER THEIR PLANS.
WE GET MORE DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER.
BUT PRIOR TO GETTING THE SECRET DETERMINATION AND ULTIMATELY THE USE VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE NOT PARTICULARLY PRODUCTIVE.
SO THAT'S, I THINK, WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE WANTED TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE PRIOR TO BEING A POSITION TO ISSUING A SECRET DETERMINATION.
YOU SAID BEFORE THAT YOU'D DONE PHASE ONE, ESA PHASE TWO.
I BELIEVE A PHASE TWO HAS BEEN DONE.
SO THE DOCUMENTATION IS THERE.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED COPIES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A COPY FOR THE TOWN'S FILES? MM-HMM
JOSH, IF HE NEEDS A HARD COPY FOR THE FILES, IF HE WANTS A HARD COPY, OF COURSE WE'LL DO ONE.
AND THEN ANY OTHER TESTING OR STUDIES OR DOCUMENTATION ABOUT SURE.
I'LL SEE IF MAYBE WE CAN GET A SUMMARY LETTER FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL CO CONSULTANTS FROM THE DOT.
THIS IS WHAT DOT, AND AGAIN, BACK, I'M ASKING THIS FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO, BUT SO THE ENTIRE, UM, PARCEL IS GOING TO BE CLEANED UP.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA SUBDIVIDE THEIR PROPERTY.
ULTIMATELY PROBABLY WOULD ALSO BE CREATING A NEW PROPERTY LINE.
DREW, I'M NOT SURE OF THAT, BUT WE WOULD CHECK, NO, WE WANT THE WHOLE PARCEL IN THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM, BUT ULTIMATELY AFTER IT'S CLEANED UP, THEY MIGHT CREATE A MAYBE, I MEAN, IT, IT, THEY'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT BUILDING.
IF THEY COME ALONG AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO OCCUPY THAT, THEY'D RENOVATE IT.
IF SOMEBODY CAME ALONG AND WANTED TO BE A NEW TENANT AND KNOCK IT DOWN, THEY MAY DO THAT ALSO.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE PUT, IT'S MOST LIKELY NOT GONNA BE.
WELL, WE'VE TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS IF, IF ANYTHING CHANGED WITH THAT.
AND THAT ALSO PART OF WHAT THE DECISION IS ON THE REMEDIATION EFFORTS IS WHETHER OR NOT THOSE BUILDINGS MIGHT NEED TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO ADDRESS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DO NEED TO BE REMOVED.
AND IS DOCUMENTATION PART OF YOUR QUESTION? MY QUESTION WAS IS, IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE REMEDIATION THAT WOULD CAUSE THEM TO NEED TO REMOVE THE BUILDINGS IN ORDER TO ACCESS AND I GUESS IF THERE'S A LETTER THAT SAYS THEY DON'T AND WHY THE DC IS SIGNED OFF ON, I GUESS WE WOULD NEED TO SEE THAT AS WELL.
TYPICALLY YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT FOR A GAS STATION.
THE BEST EXAMPLE WHERE YOU MIGHT NEED TO DO THAT IS A DRY CLEANER, AN OLD SCHOOL DRY CLEANER WHERE THOSE ARE HEAVY AND HIGHLY CONTAMINATED SOLVENTS.
SOMETIMES YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO REMOVE THE BUILDING NO MATTER WHAT, JUST TO GET, GET IT CLEANED.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT BUILDING.
SO EITHER IT WOULD BE REUTILIZED OR ULTIMATELY IN CONNECTION WITH SOME FUTURE REVIEW BY THIS BOARD, IT WOULD BE A NEW PROJECT PROPOSED ON THAT PART OF THE SITE AND SUBDIVIDED OFF THE MOST LIKELY AT THAT POINT IN THE FUTURE.
I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THESE WILL BE FOR LEASE UNITS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CREATE A NEW PARCEL AUTOMATICALLY.
BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED.
DID YOU, UM, GET WORD OF THE DOT COMMENTS? THAT YEAH.
DO YOU WANNA YEAH, JOSH DID FORWARD THOSE, IF YOU WANNA REITERATE WHAT THEY'RE, YES.
SO DOT GOT BACK TO SARAH DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND SAID THAT THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A PROPOSED CONNECTION FROM LAKESHORE ROAD TO ST.
YOU CAN ACCESS ONE ROAD, BUT NOT BOTH.
DOT ALSO SAYS THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE GAS STATION.
I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND TOLD THEM WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE GAS STATION.
DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NO, BUT I CAN GET THAT.
AND THEN I SPOKE, SPOKE TO KEVIN, KEVIN HEBERT AT DOT AND IF HE CAN PROVIDE A RIGHT RESPONSE TO THAT.
AND I GUESS WHAT I, WHEN I DID SPEAK TO HIM, MY PRE I EXPRESSED OUR PREFERENCE TO HAVE GIVEN THE RELATIVELY, UM, LOW INTENSITY OF THE USE.
WE'D STILL PREFER TO HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS.
CHRIS, IF WE HAD TO ELIMINATE ONE, I, I DON'T THINK WE'D, I THINK WE MAY PUT A GATE ACROSS THERE JUST FOR FIRE ACCESS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THIS IS GONNA BE TOO LONG.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE TRUCK TURN AROUND AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ROOM TO DO THAT.
BUT WE COULD PUT A, A LOCKED GATE THERE BETWEEN THE TWO DRIVEWAYS.
DOT AND I SHOULD SAY THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE EXISTING GAS STATION.
NOT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR RIGHT.
AND THAT IS WHAT YOU SHARED WITH THEM.
BUT PRIOR TO YOUR NEXT MEETING, I'LL REACH OUT AGAIN TO DOT AND SEE IF THEY'RE GONNA GET A RESPONSE.
ANY MORE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
IT'S IN THE SHORELINE DISTRICT, SO WE'RE STILL, UH, WHICH, YEAH, WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW IS WHETHER OR NOT THE WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE HAD TAKEN A LOOK AT THIS YET.
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I'D ASKED IF THEY INVITED TO THEIR MEETING, BUT THEY DID BRIEFLY IN THE JANUARY MEETING.UM, I GOT THE NEXT MEETING IS MARCH 23RD, AND I CAN GIVE YOU AN EMAIL ADDRESS WHERE YOU CAN SEND THE DOCUMENTS OKAY.
IS THAT VIRTUAL OR IN PERSON? THAT'S GONNA BE VIRTUAL.
SO YOU, YOU SEND THE DOCUMENTS AND THEY CAN SEND YOU A LINK.
FOR SO, 'CAUSE THEY DID EXPECT YOU GUYS TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, NOT JUST TO REVIEW.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING AS WELL.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN FIT THAT IN ON THE 23RD OF MARCH.
SO CAN YOU FILL OUT, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT GONNA USE IT JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF SECRET, UM, THERE'S A FEDERAL POSTAL ZONE FORM THAT THE FEDERAL COASTAL FCA APP THAT THE DEPARTMENT STATE HAS.
AND THAT JUST BASICALLY SAYS WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE ENFORCEMENT POLICIES.
AND THEN THERE'S THE LWRP FORM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE COPIES OF THAT OR IF YOU'VE SUBMITTED IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
NO, BUT IF YOU CAN FILL THOSE OUT, THOSE WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US.
IS THAT FORM AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE? IT'S OKAY.
IT'S APPENDIX A OF THE LWRP ON THE WEBSITE.
MAYBE JOSH CAN SEND IT TO YEAH, JOSH WILL EMAIL IT TO, AND THAT'S GONNA COME INTO PLAY WITH THE NEXT PROJECT AS WELL.
AND THEN THAT WILL 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
SO THAT WILL HELP US WITH THAT PART OF THE SEEKER.
SO FOR THIS PROJECT, GIVEN THAT THE WATERFRONT IZATION COMMITTEES NOW TILL MARCH 23RD, AND AS CHAIRMAN CLARK INDICATED, THEY'RE EXPECTING US TO GIVE A PRESENTATION.
I THINK WE WAIT AND COME BACK AT THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL.
WE ALREADY HAVE FIVE THINGS ON THE NEXT MEETING IN MARCH ANYWAYS, SO RIGHT.
SO, SO ANYTHING ELSE FOR TODAY? I IN FAVOR.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE HAMBURGER.
CAN WE GET RENDERINGS OF THE BUILDING? WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE.
JUST LIKE A, LIKE, LIKE WHAT IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE? WHAT THE S ARE OR THE PLAN? PROFILE? WE'LL GET TO STOP THEM.
YEAH, WE'LL GET, WE ALREADY HAVE BUILDING BEFORE.
SO IS THIS, DID WE DETERMINE IF THIS ONE'S IN THE UM, ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE SAID THIS ONE'S ON THE BORDER.
YEAH, BUT THE OTHER ONE IS BECAUSE I ASKED BECAUSE THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, I WAS LOOKING AT IT EARLIER AND THERE'S A MYRIAD OF DESIGN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DETERMINATION, I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME.
WE DETERMINED IT WAS WE'LL, WE'LL SORT IT OUT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE HAMMER RETAIL LLC TO APRIL 5TH.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD, LLC REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A SEVEN UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AT 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD.
SEAN HOPKINS OF HOPKINS, GEORGIA MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
THIS PROJECT IS NOT RELATED TO THE OTHER PROJECT, BUT SOMEWHAT SIMILAR IN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING A PARTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY AT 3,800 HOOVER ROAD.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT EVERYONE'S OBVIOUSLY FAMILIAR WITH THE RESTAURANT BUILDING THAT'S LOCATED THERE TODAY.
UM, IT IS SUBJECT TO A PETTING APPLICATION TO DESIGNATE IT AS A LOCAL LANDMARK.
I BELIEVE THE HPC IS HAVING A HEARING ON THAT ON MARCH 7TH OR MARCH 6TH.
ULTIMATELY THEN THAT WILL GO TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE MOST IMPORTANT PART FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THAT BUILDING.
WE'RE STILL HOPING THERE'LL BE A VIABLE REUSE OF THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE, AND ON THIS ONE WE WILL BE CREATING A SEPARATE PARCEL IS A PROPOSED TWO STORY SEVEN UNIT TOWN HOME BUILDING THAT WILL INCLUDE ATTACHED GARAGES.
SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PROJECT ON ST.
I DID PRESENT THIS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS DURING ITS MEETING IN EARLY JANUARY.
IT ADOPTED A RESOLUTION SEEKING LEAD AGENCY STATUS.
ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, THE PLANNING BOARD DETERMINED IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.
THE ZONING BOARD ULTIMATELY CONCURRED THE 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD ON THIS HAS EXPIRED.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP DURING A PREVIOUS PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE SITE IS LOCATED IN A REGULATED FLOODWAY OR FLOOD PLAIN.
AND THE PORTION OF THE SITE WORK BEING THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED IS NOT, THIS PROJECT WILL ALSO REQUIRE A REVIEW BY THE WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE.
AS CHAIRMAN CLARK INDICATED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUS PROJECT.
THEY'RE SCHEDULED TO HOLD A MEETING ON MARCH 23RD.
I BELIEVE THEY'LL BE EXPECTING A PRESENTATION ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
WE WILL ALSO SUBMIT CONCEPTUAL ELEVATION PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK IN THE NEAR FUTURE, HOPEFULLY WE'RE IN A POSITION THAT YOU COULD ISSUE A SECRET DETERMINATION.
ULTIMATELY, IF THAT OCCURS THEN WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD.
APPEALS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ISSUE A DECISION ON THE USE VARIANCE.
IF IN FACT THAT USE VARIANCE IS GRANTED, WE WOULD COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AND AT CONNECTION WITH A FUTURE DATE FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
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I DO WANNA NOTE ON THIS ONE CLEAR AS DAY, IF ULTIMATELY THE TOWN BOARD ELECTS TO DESIGNATE THE EXISTING BUILDING AS A HISTORIC RESOURCE, UH, WE WOULD BE CREATING A SEPARATE PARCEL SO THAT THAT HISTORIC DESIGNATION OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT CARRY OVER TO THE ENTIRE SITE.AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO MARK WALLEN ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC.
SO SIMILAR TO THE LAST PROJECT, CAN YOU FILE A COPY OF A BUILD OUT THE, THE STATE
CHRIS SHOW WHERE IT PROBABLY WOULD GO.
IT, IT OBVIOUSLY WOULD SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE PROBABLY BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS.
WHERE WE HAVE 10 FOOT SETBACK ON BOTH OF 'EM AND GO TO THE LAKE.
POTENTIALLY AROUND HERE LIKE THIS.
WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO THE OWNER, SEE HOW THEY WANT, WANT TO SPLIT IT.
UM, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL, UM, IS UH, WHEN WE GET THERE A RENDERING.
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS IN THE ROUTE FIVE OH BILLY DISTRICT BETWEEN, YOU NEED TO PROTECT THE VIEW OF THE LAKE.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A NAUTICAL THEME.
THERE ARE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THERE ARE PARKING DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THE PARCEL.
WE HAD THE, THE, UM, WAS THAT THE TOWNHOUSE OR NOT THE NOT TOWNHOUSE.
UM, I WOULD LOVE IF YOU COULD APARTMENT, GIVE A BUILDING.
IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LETTER.
WE CAN DO THAT CRITERIA BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY HEAVY SECTION OF THE CODE.
THE NAUTICAL THEME'S ALWAYS A TOUGH ONE AND I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME DISCRETION IN THERE ON, ON SOME OF THESE, BUT THERE IS KIND OF A, UM, IT'S A HEAVY LIST.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US SOME INFO TO KIND OF GO ALONG WITH SOME OF THAT.
UH, SO YOU SENT THE PLANS FOR SOME OF THESE TO THE SLINK COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT IN JANUARY.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL.
AND THEY SPENT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THAT MEANS BETWEEN A WATERFRONT ENHANCED USE OR A WATERFRONT REQUIRED USE.
AND THEY CAME UP WITH A KIND OF, UH, BIG IDEA AND CHANGE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD, IS GONNA BE AGREEABLE OR NOT.
UM, INSTEAD OF TWO STORY CONDOS, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE WOULD BE A THREE STORY BUILDING WHERE THERE'S TWO STORY CONDOS IN THE FIRST FLOOR IS COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD BE WATERFRONT UH, ENHANCED OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUIRED.
SO, SO THEY WERE ACTUALLY THINKING SOMETHING THAT A LITTLE BIT LARGER IN SCOPE TO HELP INCORPORATE THE WATERFRONT AS OPPOSED TO JUST CONDOS THAT WOULD CUT IT OFF THREE STORY MIXED USE BUILDING WITH COMMERCIAL AND RIGHT.
IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD ASK THE CLIENT.
IT WAS SO, AND THEN THE PARKING WOULD BE ADDRESSED WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
PARKING ACROSS THE STREET WOULD BE ACROSS THE STREET.
I MEAN, HOW DOES THIS BOARD, NOW I'M NOT ASKING YOU HAVE A FIRM OPINION.
DOES THAT, DOES THIS BOARD FEEL THIS IS SO THAT'S SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING.
I THINK IT MAKES MORE PUBLIC ACCESS IF THERE'S COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THERE INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING ESSENTIAL.
IT DOES, BUT THE HIGHER YOU GO, THE MORE YOU LOSE THE VIEW.
IS IT STUCK AT THE BAY? THREE STORIES? THE BAY? YEAH, I THINK IT IS.
IT HAS A FUEL OF A THREE STORY BUILDING.
THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT REALLY RESIDENCE OR MUCH BETWEEN THAT.
EVERYBODY'S JUST OVER HERE IN KIND OF SINGLE STORY HOMES.
AND WHAT THEY WERE THINKING OF IS, IS THE LWRP DOESN'T WANT YOU TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT'S PUBLIC ACCESS AND MAKE IT PRIVATE.
AND THAT WAS REALLY ONE OF THE WORRIES.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE WAYS THEY THOUGHT WOULD ELIMINATE THAT, UH, ISSUE WOULD BE IF IT'S THE FIRST FLOOR HAD COMMERCIAL USES, WHICH WOULD HELP KEEP IT AS A PUBLIC TYPE AREA.
CAN I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT TOO? UM, SO IT'S THREE STORY MIXED USE, BUT DREW YOU SAID, OR SORRY, UM, SEAN, YOU SAID THERE ARE, UM, ATTACHED GARAGES.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PARKING? WELL, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT, THE CATCH GARAGE WOULD GO AWAY.
AND PARKING WOULD BE OVER HERE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE COMMERCIAL USE.
AND THEN I THINK WE TALKED TOO WHEN YOU FIRST PRESENTED THIS ABOUT KEEPING SOME KIND OF PUBLIC EASEMENT, RIGHT? IF THAT PORTION OF THE LAKE IS IN FACT PUBLIC OR QUASI, WELL THERE'S A PRETTY HIGH, UH, BREAK WALL, RETAINING WALL.
AND I THINK WE'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE SAID, THE STATE HAS ITS ENFORCEABLE POLICIES AND WALKING THROUGH EACH OF THOSE AND SAYING HOW THE PROJECT WOULD MEET THOSE AS WELL AS THE POLICIES FROM LWRP WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL
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FOR OUR SEEKER ANALYSIS.THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM, BUT TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE, SHOW US HOW YOU'RE COMPLYING OR ADHERING TO EACH OF THOSE WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMP TAKEAWAYS FROM THE PRELIMINARY MEETING WAS THAT NO THANKS FOR RELAYING THAT TO US.
THEY, THEY DON'T REALLY SEE CONDOS AS A WATERFRONT, UH, WHAT BE ENHANCED OR AMENITY.
SO CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THE TERMS THAT THEY, A WATER DEPENDENT USE WATER.
WATER DEPENDENT OR WATER HANDS.
SO ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD LLC TO APRIL 5TH SECOND.
IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY.
ALRIGHT, SO FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION, UH, FOR PROPOSED 156 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BY GLEN WETZEL TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON A PORTION OF APPROXIMATELY 42.5 ACRES OF VACANT LAND LOCATED AT ZERO BIG TREE ROAD AT ZERO WILSON DRIVE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO YEP, GOOD EVENING.
ONCE AGAIN, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, GLEN WETZEL, WHO'S ALSO HERE THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS THE PROJECT ENGINEER CHRIS WOOD FROM CARMINA WOOD DESIGN.
SOME OF YOU, THIS PROJECT IS VERY, VERY FAMILIAR.
UH, WE WERE LAST YEAR, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2021.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME, AFTER SPENDING A LOT OF TIME NOW, THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUARTER REVIEW ACT.
WITHIN THAT POSITIVE DECLARATION, YOU IDENTIFIED CERTAIN, UH, ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS YOU BELIEVE MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT AS A RESULT.
AND BASED ON THAT, WE'VE SUBMITTED WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE NEXT STEP.
THE DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT, I BELIEVE THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON JANUARY 30TH.
ULTIMATELY, THIS BOARD AS A LEAD AGENCY, WILL BE REQUIRED TO ISSUE A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT.
THAT FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT WILL THEN SERVE AS THE BASIS FOR THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
SO I WANT TO GO OVER WHAT THE CURRENT PROJECT IS AND WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES THIS PROJECT ARE.
SO WE STARTED, SORRY, WITH THIS.
SO WE STARTED BACK LITERALLY IN 2020 WITH THIS LAYOUT.
THE LAYOUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME THAT AT LEAST WE WERE CONTEMPLATING WAS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD CONNECT TO WILSON DRIVE, WHICH IS HERE ON PROPERTY THAT IS PROPERLY OWNED FOR SUCH USE IT'S OWN RESIDENTIAL AND THEN A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.
ON THE REMAINDER, A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT WOULD OCCUR ON PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE LOCAL RETAIL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AND OBVIOUSLY WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING TO R THREE.
ULTIMATELY BASED, BASED ON SOME VERY SWIFT AND QUICK FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS ON WILSON AS WELL AS PEOPLE ON AKKA DRIVE.
THEIR CONCERN WAS THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE ASPECT OF THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
WHILE WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND CAME UP WITH A NEW LAYOUT, THERE WAS A REITERATION BEFORE.
BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THE ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, WHICH WOULD'VE REQUIRED SOME SOMEWHAT SUBSTANTIAL IMPACTS TO THE JURISDICTIONAL FEDERAL WETLANDS ON THE SITE, ELIMINATED IT IN ITS ENTIRETY, STILL PROPOSING MULTI-FAMILY CONSISTING OF ONE AND TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
AND WE EXPANDED THE MULTI-FAMILY COMPONENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT INTO THE RESIDENTIAL, I BELIEVE APPROXIMATELY FOUR ACRES.
UH, THE SITE IS 42 ACRES IN SIZE.
SO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING IS APPROXIMATELY 150 UNITS.
AND THE CURRENT DESIGN REFLECTS A CONCERTED EFFORT TO INCLUDE ONLY SINGLE STORY AND TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
UH, MR. WETZELS DONE HIS HOMEWORK.
HE HAS A MARKET STUDY THAT WAS PREPARED BY A THIRD PARTY EXPERT.
AND WE KNOW THERE'S AMPLE DEMAND FOR THIS KIND OF PRODUCT.
THE TYPICAL TARGET MARKET MARKET FOR THESE UNITS WOULD BE SOMEONE THAT OWNS A HOUSE IN HAMBURG OR ONE OF THE NEARBY COMMUNITIES LIKES WHERE THEY LIVE, NO LONGER WANTS A RESPONSIBILITY FOR A LARGE HOUSE AND MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES AND TAXES.
THEY WANT TO TRAVEL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND WANTS TO DOWNSIZE.
AND THAT'S THE TARGET MARKET THAT WE WOULD BE ENVISIONING HERE AS A RESULT OF THE PREFERRED LAYOUT.
WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS THE BALANCE OF THE SITE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 20.1 ACRES.
THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE AREA BEHIND THE NUMEROUS HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON DRIVE WOULD BE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, INCLUDING A STREET THAT'S LOCATED RIGHT HERE CURRENTLY.
SO NO DEVELOPMENT WOULD OCCUR ON A SITE WHERE CLEARLY IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISIONED.
IT WOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
AND AS A RESULT WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS REZONING THE REMAINDER OF
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THE SITE PREDOMINANTLY AGAIN C ONE 16.4 ACRES AND THE BALANCE APPROXIMATELY FOUR ACRES FROM UH TWO FROM R ONE TO R THREE NET REZONING WITH ONLY WE.WITH RESPECT TO THIS, WE ALSO, AS A RESULT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THIS BOARD, AS A RESULT OF CONSULTATIONS WITH SCOTT LIVINGSTON, THE WETLAND CONSULT FROM EARTH DIMENSIONS, WE'VE DESIGNED THIS PROJECT SUCH THAT WE WILL ONLY NOW REQUIRE AN IMPACT TO FOUR 100TH OF AN ACRE OF THE APPROXIMATELY 7.52 ACRES OF JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS ON THE SITE.
THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE THAT WE'RE PROPO PROPOSING WOULD REMAIN PERMANENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
MEANING WE WOULD RECORD A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE TO ENSURE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE TOWN, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE ADJOINING OWNERS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
NO DEVELOPMENT WOULD EVER OCCUR BECAUSE YOU'VE ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES.
SO OUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IS THAT LAYOUT.
ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE THE LAYOUT THAT WE STARTED WITH.
THAT DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, THAT IT WAS CLEAR AS DAY HOMEOWNERS ON WILSON CCA WERE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF EVEN THOUGH THAT LAND WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISIONED AND DEVELOPED SUCH THAT IT COULD BE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO UNDER SEEKER, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PREPARED A THIRD ALTERNATIVE PLAN.
SO WE HAVE OUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, ALTERNATIVE ONE AND ALTERNATIVE NUMBER TWO, NOT OUR THIRD ALTERNATIVE.
AND WHAT THIS PLAN SHOWS IS WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY THE EXISTING ZONING, WHICH IS THE BASELINE.
SO OF COURSE THIS PORTION OF THE SITE, APPROXIMATELY 16 ACRES ZONED C TWO, WHAT CHRIS HAS SHOWN HERE IS TWO POTENTIAL DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, A SERIES OF RETAIL AND OFFICE BUILDINGS.
UM, I BELIEVE WHAT CHRIS, WHAT DOES THAT ADD UP TO? A HUNDRED THOUSAND, APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
WE COULD EASILY ACCOMMODATE THAT ON SITE.
THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S NO SUGGESTION THAT THERE'S DEMAND FOR THAT.
SO THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT BE OUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
AND ALSO IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PROJECT, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, INCLUDING THE SUB TREATMENT WAS ALWAYS ENVISIONED WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC.
THAT CUL-DE-SAC WOULD BE DESIGNED IN ACCORDS WITH THE TOWN STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE IN TERMS OF THE TURNAROUND, ROADWAY WIDTH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT ALTERNATIVE, THE AS OF RIGHT ALTERNATIVE THAT INCLUDES DEVELOPMENT PURSUANT TO THAT EXISTING C TWO ZONING CLASSIFICATION WOULD HAVE SOME SERIOUS DRAWBACKS.
NUMBER ONE OBVIOUSLY WOULD RESULT IN MUCH MORE TRAFFIC DURING BOTH THE AM AND PM WEEKDAY PERIOD.
IT WOULD RESULT IN ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
IT WOULD RESULT IN ADDITIONAL WETLAND IMPACTS.
IT WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE THE OPTION THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED, PRIMARILY BASED ON INPUT THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM CAITLIN, WHICH WAS, HEY, CAN WE ESTABLISH A RIGHT PERIAN BUFFER THAT NOT ONLY CROSSES THE MANCO SUBDIVISION SITE, WHICH YOU REVIEWED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, BUT ALSO THIS SITE.
SO THIS PLAN THAT CHRIS HAS HANDED OUT THAT WE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED SHOWS THAT WIDE EXPANSE OF GREEN SPACE, THE 20.1 ACRES THAT WE WOULD PERMANENTLY PRESERVE, AND THEN ALSO SHOWS THAT RIPARIAN BUFFER THAT WE HAVE ON THE SITE THAT WOULD CROSS THROUGH EARTH DIMENSIONS, PREPARED A DETAILED PLAN EX, UM, EXPLAINING WHAT THE VEGETATION WOULD BE, HOW THAT WOULD BE MAINTAINED.
WE THINK THAT WOULD BE A NICE FEATURE THAT WOULD BISECT THESE CONTIGUOUS PARCELS.
AND THE OTHER ASPECT I WANNA NOTE AGAIN, IS UNDER THIS PLAN, THE WETLAND IMPACT IS NOW ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, A MINUSCULE, MINUSCULE AMOUNT.
ALL THE ADDITIONAL WETLANDS WILL BE PRESERVED.
ONE THING THAT HAS CHANGED, IT'S REAL IMPORTANT SINCE WE LAST PRESENTED THIS PROJECT ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2021, AS A RESULT OF A WHOLE HOST OF FACTORS INCLUDING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC AND CHANGES IN THE RESIDENTIAL MARKET, THE DEMAND FOR THESE TYPES OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS FOR LEASE SINGLE STORY AND TWO STORY IS MUCH GREATER THAN IT WAS THEN.
THE DEMAND FOR STANDALONE COMMERCIAL SPACE IS ACTUALLY MUCH LESS THAN IT WAS THERE THAN IT WAS BACK THEN.
SO THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE WOULD DELIVER WHAT THE MARKETPLACE IS ASKING FOR.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR THAT THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF NON-TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS, NOT ONLY IN WESTERN NEW YORK BUT BASICALLY THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
UH, MR. WETZEL HAS A GREAT TRACK RECORD IN DEVELOPING NICE PROJECTS.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT UNLIKE OTHER REAL ESTATE INVESTORS, HE DOES NOT BUY THESE AND FLIP, FLIP THESE, HE BUYS THEM, BUILDS THEM AND MANAGES THEM HIMSELF, HIS COMPANY.
SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR NOT ONLY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, BUT THAT'S ALSO GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS.
IN TERMS OF THE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT YOU'D IDENTIFIED, UM, THEY INCLUDED WETLANDS, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA GO
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RIGHT TO THEM.THEY INCLUDED ADVERSE IMPACTS ON SURFACE WATER, AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY REFERENCING THE STREAM CORRIDOR, WHICH WE THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE RIPARIAN BUFFER PLAN.
POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON PLANTS AND ANIMALS.
SINCE THAT POINT IN TIME, EARTH DIMENSIONS HAS PREPARED A HABITAT STUDY THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY, DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE POSSIBLE PRESENCE OF NORTHERN LONG-EARED BACK, WHICH IS TRUE ALMOST EVERYWHERE IN WEST NEWARK.
THERE ARE NOT ANY PROTECTIVE PLANTS OR ANIMAL SPECIES ON THE SITE.
THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON OPEN SPACE IN THE ECOSYSTEMS OF THIS AREA.
AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PREFERRED PLAN AND COMPARE IT TO EITHER OF THE TWO ALTERNATIVES, 20.1 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE, INCLUDING THOSE PORTIONS OF THE SITE THAT ARE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE, INCLUDING SEVEN ACRES OF WETLANDS.
SO WE THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THAT THE PROJECT MAY HAVE A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION.
BASED ON INPUT PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED FROM THIS BOARD, SRF ASSOCIATES PREPARED A COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT LOOKED AT THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF NOT ONLY THIS PROJECT BUT THE ADJACENT MANCO SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY DOT.
AND THE PROJECT LAYOUT REFLECTS THEIR INPUT.
THE REZONING PROJECT MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SINCE THAT POINT IN TIME, THE TOWN HAS ADOPTED AN UPDATE TO ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WERE ANY CHANGES TO THE DESIGNATION OR THE RECOMMENDED LAND USES FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE PROPOSED PROJECT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE AND MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THE EXISTING AREA AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE THINK WE CAN NOW ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THE MITIGATION MEASURES WE'RE PROPOSED.
THE PURPOSE OF SCOPING IS TRYING TO NARROW THE SCOPE OF THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
UH, YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME TO PROVIDE US WITH THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT.
WE THOUGHT, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THAT WEREN'T HERE BACK IN SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2021 TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE THERE'S A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF PROFESSIONALLY PREPARED REPORTS AND STUDIES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED.
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT ALONG WITH THE MINUTES OF THE MANY MEETINGS OF THE PLANNING BOARD THAT WERE UM, PREVIOUSLY PART OF THIS PROJECT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE AT YOUR NEXT MEETING YOU COULD ISSUE THAT FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEP, WHICH WOULD BE THE PREPARATION OF A DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, YOU WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONLY ONE RESIDENT ON WHAT STREET ARE WE HERE? BIG TREE ON BIGTREE.
I'M SORRY THAT HAD ANY COMMENTS? THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOCATED HERE.
MR. WETZEL HAS MET WITH THAT HOMEOWNER AND INDICATED THAT BASED ON FURTHER DISCUSSIONS HE CERTAINLY WOULD WORK WITH THEM IN TERMS OF SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING FOR THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A RECORD, THERE'S ACTUALLY A LETTER IN THE FILE THAT DOCUMENTS THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
SO THAT'S WHERE, IN A NUTSHELL, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, AGAIN VERY LENGTHY HISTORY ON THIS PROJECT, UM, EITHER MYSELF, CHRIS, OR GLEN WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS 'EM.
SO THIS SITE IS UNIQUE FOR PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T ON THE BOARD BEFORE AND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TREE CLEARING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE UPLIFTING OF THE NORTHERN LONG YEAR.
THAT IS OUR TIME OF YEAR RESTRICTIONS FOR TREE CLEARING ACTIVITIES.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE OPEN TO, IS ONLY DOING WINTER TREE CLEARING? IF THAT'S ULTIMATELY I DON'T THINK THAT THE, I MEAN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO
I BELIEVE THEY EXTENDED THE DEADLINE FROM JANUARY 30TH FIRST TO APRIL 1ST.
SO OF COURSE CAITLIN, IF WE HAVE TO, WE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOTE IN THE EIS WHEN IT COMES OUT.
WHATEVER THE UPDATED GUIDANCE IS, WE WILL, I THINK ULTIMATELY I, IF WE NEED TO ADD THAT
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
BUT YES, WE'LL HAVE TO ADHERE WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S IN A NARROW SURVEY WINDOW TOO.
SO IT IS, YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO GET ON THAT FOR THE COMMAND OF YOUR SCHEDULE FOR THIS SURVEY THIS SEASON, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AS PART OF THE WETLAND PERMITTING PROCESS IS GOING BE REQUIRE OF THAT AS WELL.
WE DO THINK THE KEY BENEFIT IS PRESERVING THAT GREEN SPACE.
THERE'S A NEW STUDY PROTOCOL SUPPOSED ON AT THE END OF MARCH, SO THEY'RE NO LONGER, UM, IT'S NOW LISTED.
IT HAD THE, YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THROUGH WITH THE FOUR B RULE.
THERE'S A WHOLE UPDATED SET OF GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED, BUT THE GUIDELINES HAVEN'T COME.
YOUR RESTRICTIONS WOULD STAY THE SAME.
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US TO ADOPT THE SCOPING DOCUMENTS? UM, WE SUBMITTED IT ON JANUARY 30TH, I BELIEVE.I DON'T THINK THE GUIDELINES HAVE TO COME OUT.
WE JUST WOULD NEED TO NOD TO THEM TO REFERENCE TO.
SO WE'RE ON MARCH, FOLLOW THEM.
SO I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ONE MORE MEETING, RIGHT LARRY? THERE WAS ALREADY FIVE, I BELIEVE IT WAS JANUARY 30TH, BUT THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THIS ONE OF THEM OR NO, JUST ONE.
IS THIS ONE OF THEM SCHEDULED FOR THAT MEETING? I'M GONNA GUESS NO, NO, BUT I MEAN FOR THIS ONE I, I DON'T THINK WE'D NEED TO GIVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION.
IT'S SIMPLY ISSUING A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT.
AND THE LAW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT IT'S, IT IS CERTAINLY A PRETTY STRONG SUGGESTION.
SO WAS THERE ONLY ONE ENTRANCE INTO THE SUBDIVISION INTO THE PROJECT AND THE PREFERRED NOTHING? YES.
THERE'S ONE, ONE ENTRANCE IN EXIT.
AND AS A RESULT OF THE TRAFFIC SIDE OF THE DOT, YOU HAD US TAKE OUT ONE OF THE OTHER ENTRANCES.
AND AT ONE POINT, JUST SO SOME OF YOU RECALL AT ONE POINT, WE DON'T NEED IT BY FIRE CODE, WE ACTUALLY SHOWED A GATED EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY ONTO WILSON.
WE COULDN'T CONVINCE THE NEIGHBORS AT THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE TIME.
WOULDN'T CHANGE TO FULL ACCESS.
SO RATHER THAN GET BOGGED DOWN THAT DISCUSSION IN, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE FIRE CODE, WE ELIMINATED IT.
HOW MANY LANES IS THE ENTRANCE? AND I EXIT THERE? IT'S 3 2 2 EXITING.
AND AGAIN, DOT MADE US CONSOLIDATE INTO ONE SINGLE CURB CUT PER CONTROLLED ACCESS POLICY FOR STATE HIGHWAYS.
AND NO FIRE ACCESS IS REQUIRED.
IT'S NOT, WE CAN, WE CAN GO UP TO 200 UNITS.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A SECONDARY FIRE ACCESS.
WE, WE WERE VOLUNTARILY PROPOSING ONE, BUT IT WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOW MANY UNITS ARE THERE? 156 I BELIEVE.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT HUNDRED 50.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT I'M PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH THIS.
I MEAN, YEAH, WE THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
I I I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH OPEN GREEN SPACE ON A PROJECT AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, OBVIOUSLY IN A DIFFERENT STATE.
BUT I'M PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH THIS.
THIS IS, THIS IS PRETTY THOROUGH AND, UM, KUDOS TO THE, UM, TO THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.
'CAUSE YOU COULD TELL THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND COMMITMENT THAT HAS BEEN MADE TO THIS PROJECT.
AND I, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT.
AND I DO WANNA NOTE, I THINK A LOT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS CAME AS A RESULT OF THE MANY MEETINGS SURE.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK IN THIS.
SO I ALSO WANNA KNOW IF THAT ULTIMATELY THIS DECISION, DO YOU MIND? IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN YOUR TYPICAL SECRET DETERMINATION AND THAT ULTIMATELY YOU'RE THE LEAD AGENCY AND THE TOWN BOARD CONSENTED TO THIS.
YOU'LL ISSUE THE SECRET DETERMINATION, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LEGISLATIVE DECISION THAT WILL BE MADE NEED TO BE MADE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT CAN CONSISTS OF A, A REZONING BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD DID HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN 2021.
OBVIOUSLY THEY COULD NOT TAKE ANY ACTION.
UH, THERE WAS NO NEGATIVE REACTION IN FRONT, AT LEAST THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ON THE CURRENT PREFERRED LAYOUT.
BUT WE DIDN'T DO A RECOMMENDATION IN THE REZONING.
THANK YOU FOR REFERENCING THAT.
YOU'LL ULTIMATELY ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE REZONING SECRET DECISION.
YOU DIDN'T GET THERE, RIGHT? NO.
WE'RE GONNA DO THE SECRET DECISION.
WE'RE GONNA DO THE SECRET DECISION, NOT DO THE RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE SNOWMOBILE AND PIPE TRAIL AND THE UNITS THEMSELVES? YEAH.
SO KRISTEN, BETWEEN THE PROPOSED UNITS AND THE BIKE AND THE RIGHT.
CHRIS, FIRST OF ALL, POINT OUT WHERE THAT IS.
I'M SORRY, I, ON, ON YOUR, ON YOUR COLOR THING IS THE RED LINE THAT'S ON THERE.
I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP DENNIS.
IT GOES FROM MCKINLEY PARKWAY THROUGH, THROUGH THE SITE, GETS THROUGH THE WOODS AND THEN ON THE, ONTO THE PARKER ROAD, UH, MANCO.
IT HITS THE MIDDLE OF MCKINLEY PARKWAY IN THE, IN THE MEDIAN.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE SNOWMOBILE ASSOCIATION, I THINK LAST TIME WE, WE DETERMINED THIS IS WHERE THEY WOULD PICK IT UP.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH THE WOODS, THROUGH A, THROUGH A PATH.
IT WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, A PAVED ROADWAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I WAS JUST, IT'S ABOUT, I MEAN THIS, THIS IS 200 FEET.
SO FROM THE UNITS IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 1 75 OR 180.
BUT WHAT'S ABOUT THOSE SNOWMOBILES GETTING OFF AND GOING INTO THE PROPERTIES? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE BUFFER? OH, THE BARRIER.
UH, I MEAN THERE, THERE IS NO DRIVE AISLE OR ANYTHING DIRECTLY
SO, I MEAN, IF THEY COULD MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE WOODS, THEY COULD OBSOLETE MAKE THEIR WAY THERE.
JUST LIKE THEY COULD OFF THE STREET IF THEY WANTED TO.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONTINUED USE BY THE SNOWMOBILE CLUBS.
OF COURSE THEY, THEY REQUESTED IT.
HOW FAR FROM THE HOUSES ON WILSON CENTER TO THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL? IT'S ABOUT TO ABOUT 50 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINES TO THE BACK TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY LINES.
THIS DISTANCE HERE, CAN THAT BE MOVED AT ALL? UH, YEAH, OUT A LITTLE BIT.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T BRING THE, THE PLAN THAT HAS THE CONTOURS AND THE TOPOGRAPHY ON IT.
BUT WHEN I DREW THIS LINE, THIS WAS KIND OF THE BEST FLATES AREA.
'CAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY IN HERE.
BECAUSE IT SLOPES DOWN TO THIS, UH, THIS CREEK.
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WE THINK ALL OF THOSE LOTS REQUIRE 50 FOOT REAR SETBACKS.SO THAT'S ACTUALLY, SO A HUNDRED FEET OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND UM, AND TWO, WE'LL WORK WITH THE SNOWMOBILE.
I MEAN THIS MAY NOT BE THE EXACT LOCATION OF IT.
WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE SNOWMOBILE ASSOCIATION TO COME UP WITH A FINAL CONFIGURATION.
I THINK MY ONLY, MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE THE NOISE LEVEL FOR THOSE POOL FOR THOSE HOUSES.
IT IT IS THERE CURRENT? YEAH, IT'S THERE NOW.
IT CURRENTLY GOES THROUGH THE SITE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
THEY, THEY JUST WANTED US TO RELOCATE IT TO BETTER ACCOMMODATE THEM ONCE WE DID THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN THE OTHER PARKER ROAD SUBDIVISION ON PARKER ROAD.
SO THE CURRENT LOCATION'S FARTHER AWAY FROM THE EXISTING HOUSES THOUGH? IT IS, I BELIEVE.
DREW PROVIDED US WITH THAT MAP AT ONE TIME.
THE AND THE REZONING IS TO REZONE TO ALLOW FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY RIGHT.
BUILDING SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THESE DESIGN.
IT'S A DOWN ZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 16.4 ACRES FROM COMMERCIAL TO R THREE MM-HMM
AND THEN A MORE INTENSIVE ZONING FROM R ONE TO R THREE FOR THAT APPROXIMATELY FOUR TO FOUR AND A HALF ACRES LOCATED HERE.
AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE THAT ZONED R ONE 20.1 ACRES, INCLUDING THE SUBST STREETS THAT WERE INCLUDED TO ACCOMMODATE A SUBDIVISION.
THAT AREA WOULD BECOME PERMANENT OPEN SPACE NEVER TO BE DEVELOPED AND STAY ZONE R ONE.
AND WE, WE KNOW FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS GOING BACK TO 2020 2021, THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN IS THEY DID NOT WANNA SEE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION OR ANY ROADWAY YOUR OPPOSITE TOM DIRECTION.
AND SINCE JEB'S NOT HERE AND THIS PROJECT IS NEW FOR HIM AND I, ARE THERE SIDEWALKS IN INTERIOR TO, TO THE, ON ANY, ANY SIDEWALK PERIOD.
TALK TO ME ABOUT ANY OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE THERE.
UH, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS AROUND THE COMMUNITY BUILDING MM-HMM
BUT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTERIOR SIDEWALKS.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN THAT FAR IN THAT DETAIL DESIGN YET.
AND IS THERE ANY SIDEWALK ON KNEE? IS THERE A SIDEWALK ON BIG TREE ON 20? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS THAT FAR DOWN ON BIG TREE.
WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT SIDEWALKS ON BIG TREE.
I THINK AT ONE POINT THINK WE DID AND I THINK THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR THEM RECOGNIZING THEY WOULDN'T CONNECT ANYTHING AT THIS TIME.
BUT WITH THE HOPE THAT AS OTHER DEVELOPMENTS CHANGED, THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEM CONNECT.
THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE OTHER STADIUM REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENING.
THERE PROBABLY WILL BE SIDEWALKS THERE THAT SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
THEN I, IF WE DID PUT SIDEWALKS ALONG HERE, THEN WE WOULD PUT A SIDEWALK FROM THE COMMUNITY BUILDING OUT TO THE, OUT TO THE STREET IN THE EVENT THE SCHOOL BUSES STOPPED ALONG THE WAY.
YOU KNOW, THE KIDS COULD WALK OUT TO THE BUS STOP MAY, HE CONVINCED ME YOU NEED SIDEWALKS.
AND BECAUSE IT'S A, A REZONING, IF WE DO THE REC, IF WE RECOMMENDED THE REZONING, WE COULD PUT CONDITIONS ON IT.
THAT COULD BE, IT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE PUT ON REZONING.
AND THEN, AND ANOTHER THING I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE, IF THE TOWN BOARD REZOS THE PROPERTY THAT STILL COMES BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE FINAL REVIEW.
SO, SO WE WOULD, IF IT, IF IT WAS GONNA BE RECOMMENDED BE REZONING, DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO.
'CAUSE WE STILL GOTTA GET THROUGH SEEKER, BUT JUST DO OVER THE PROCESS.
UH, WE COULD RECOMMEND CERTAIN THINGS AS A CONDITION OF THE REZONING.
THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR SITE PLAN, THEN WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE EXACT LOCATIONS OF SOMETHING LIKE SIDEWALKS.
SO THAT'S FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS AND RIGHT PLACEMENT OF LIKE
AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO TOUGH BECAUSE THEY'RE SO EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
BUT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THINGS THAT WOULD COME IN LATER.
AND IT'S, IT'S A BIT UNUSUAL AND A BIT DIFFICULT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT THAT WAY.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE COMMENTING ON THE SCOPING PLAN.
WE'RE TRYING TO FINALIZE ON THE DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT, DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT, WE, WE HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
WE GOT A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TO ADOPT A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
THEN THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE HOWEVER MUCH TIME THEY WANT TO DO A DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
THEN WE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT IS IT'S COMPLETE ENOUGH, IS COMPLETED ENOUGH TO BE PUBLISHED TO THE PUBLIC.
AND IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, THEN WE MOVE ON.
YOU'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, THEN THERE'LL BE A FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
AND ULTIMATELY THIS BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY WILL ISSUE A FINDING STATEMENT ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN COURT ON THE REZONING THAT MAY INCLUDE RECOMMENDED ZONING CONDITIONS.
SO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? I, THE SCOPING STATEMENT ALIGNED WELL TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD PROVIDED IN WRITING AT THE TIME.
I LITERALLY TRIED TO MIRROR, SO I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE, REMEMBER THERE WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE FORMED.
I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THOSE MINUTES OR THOSE SUMMARIES AS
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WELL AS THE FINANCE OF THE PO DECK.SO I THINK I LINED IT UP LITERALLY TO A T WITH THE POSITIVE DECLARATION.
THE ONLY TWO COMMENTS I HAD, WHICH SEEING THIS, UM, THEY'RE NOT BIG ONES BUT THE, THIS SEEMS INTUITIVE, BUT ON IMPACTS TO SURFACE WATER, THERE WAS NO SUB-BULLET THAT JUST SAID IMPACTS TO SURFACE WATER.
IT WAS LIKE EVERY OTHER VERY SPECIFIC BULLET.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS ONLY A BULLET FOR IMPACTS TO FEDERAL WETLANDS, BUT GIVEN THE TOWN LAW AND EVERYTHING, I WOULD LOVE TO JUST SEE IMPACTS TO ALL WETLANDS.
WHICH WITH THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINE.
SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION.
THERE'S NOT A FORMAL NOTICE TO READ FOR ONE OF THESE.
UH, SO IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTED TO COMMENT ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE SHOULD BE IN OUR SCOPING DOCUMENT FOR 156 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AT ZERO AND ZERO WILSON? NUMBER ONE.
OKAY, HOLD ON SIR, YOU RAISED YOUR HAND.
I LIVE YOU COME UP JUST FOR THE RECORDING.
UH, I WAS AT THE MEETING TURN AROUND 21, TURN AROUND THIS.
UM, I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO MOST OF THE RESIDENTS ON BOTH WILSON AND TAMMA.
THE CONSENSUS SEEMS TO BE THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST PROPOSAL GET OUT OF WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE.
UM, OUR CONCERN FROM THE BEGINNING WAS TO NOT ADD ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC TO OUR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT IN THE FORTIES WHEN MOST PEOPLE HAD ONE CAR.
AND THAT WOULD BECOME A CUT THROUGH TO YOUR SUBDIVISION.
SO, UH, THERE'D BE NO REASON TO DRIVE SLOWLY AT ALL WHERE WE LIVE.
BUT WITH THIS ARRANGEMENT, AS I SAY, MOST OF THE RESIDENTS ARE HAPPY WITH IT.
MAINTAINING THE GREEN SPACE IS FINE.
ADMITTEDLY IT'S SWAMPY, BUT IT WAS BEFORE SO WE WE'RE LOSING NOTHING THERE.
SO FROM OUR END OF IT, YOU KNOW, AS THEY SAY, IT'S THE BEST OF WHAT WE COULD PROBABLY REASONABLY EXPECT IN THERE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? UM, THIS MARK KY AGAIN, UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I THINK THE SNOWMOBILE TRAIL HAS BEEN BROKEN.
SO THERE'S NO SNOWMOBILES GOING THROUGH THERE.
YEAH, IT HASN'T SNOWED MUCH THIS YEAR.
AND THE OTHER THING I JUST HAD TO WAS, UH, WILL OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THIS? GOOD POINT.
THIS IS, UH, AS PART OF THE PROCESS, ALL IT'S SUBMITTED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS FURTHER.
AND THEY WERE INCLUDED AS AN INTERESTED AGENCY.
AND YOU'LL NOTE, CAN WE ADD INTO THE SCOPING DOCUMENT JUST ADDRESSING COMMUNITY SERVICES OR RESPONSE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THE AREA.
IS THAT THE, AND EVEN IF THE SNOW WHEEL TRAIL'S BROKEN, WE'D WANT TO KEEP IT ON HERE IN CASE IT'S EVER FIXED AND WHEREVER IT'S BROKEN, WE WANT TO RIGHT.
NOT CREATE MORE PLACES FOR IT TO BE BROKEN.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ONLINE? THERE WASN'T ANYTHING LAST TIME I LOOKED.
NOPE, IT'S STILL JUST THE COMMENTS ON, UH, ALRIGHT.
SO WE'LL FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM, CLOSE THE PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION.
UH, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK THIS ONE ON MARCH 15TH WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, ADOPT A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT.
SO IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TO THE SCOPING DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE TO JOSH AND DREW SO THEY CAN BE IN A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT.
'CAUSE THAT'S OUR DEADLINE TO VOTE.
ARE THERE ANY ANTICIPATING TIMES FROM THE BILL STATE THAT SCOPING CHRIS WORKED ON THAT PROJECT? SO I HIM ANSWER? I DON'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, NOT, I DON'T THINK SO.
IS THE SAME LANGUAGE IN THE SCOPING ONE THAT WAS IN THE PARKER ROAD, ONE THAT REFERENCED EACH OTHER? YES.
SO WHILE THE PROJECTS ARE INDEPENDENT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM FOR CUMULATIVE IMPACTS.
IT ALSO LOOKS AT CUMULATIVE IMPACTS.
SO THE PARKER ROAD ONE ALSO NOTED CUMULATIVE IMPACTS THEY BOTH DO FROM THE STADIUM.
SO CAN WE, I DON'T THINK THE STADIUM'S ACTUALLY EXCLUSIVELY MENTIONED THIS.
I THINK THAT TRANSPORTATION IS
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THE OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE PARKER ROAD ONE.I CAN'T RECALL CALIN IF IT WAS OR NOT.
ALRIGHT, WELL I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A VOTE ON THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT FOR THE GLEN WETZEL PROJECT ON MARCH 15TH.
WHO'S GOT, HOW MANY SO I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY REPEAT MEETING.
SO THE MOTION BY KAITLYN SECOND BY, UH, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I CAN KEEP MYSELF BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE.
I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE, UH, DAN'S NEW JOB.