* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] WHAT THEY DOING NOW? WHAT ARE THEY DOING IT NOW? RIGHT THERE. WHERE THEY BUILDING NOW? YEAH. BACK IN THE DAY. BACK. BACK IN THE DAY. ALL I COULD, I DID POWERPOINT, UM, OH YEAH, ON FACEBOOK. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M IN THE RIGHT PLACE. PLANNING BOARD. YEAH. OKAY. RIGHT PLACE. THANK YOU. UM, GRAB ANOTHER LAPTOP. COULD YOU POWERPOINT ON THAT DIFFERENT TIME NOW? GOTTA GO THROUGH UH, ISSUES WITH COVID FORGIVENESS. YEAH. YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY, UH, YEAH, EVEN THE OPERATIONS SIDE PLUG. I PULL THE PLUG EVERYTHING. YES. I THINK I GOT EVERYTHING. I YOU'RE STUFF YOU'RE GETTING IN THERE. NEW PEOPLE GO OVER SOME STUFF SO IT'S NOT ALL GREEK. [00:05:01] SO IT'S NOT ALL GREEK. UM, UM, SORRY, WHAT'S THE DEAL? GOOD STUFF. GOOD TO START WITH. GOOD START WITH, RIGHT? YOU YOU'VE HEARD THE SAME STUFF OR WHAT'S THAT? WHAT DID YOU SAME KIND OF STUFF THAT I GAVE TO SOMEBODY. SECRET HANDLE STUFF. RIGHT. SECRET STUFF. I GAVE YOU A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION YEARS AGO. MARK WALLING AND I DID DO THE ASPEN DENTAL HAS TO BE TABLED. YES. REALLY? YEAH. YES. SO WHAT DO YOU WANNA USE THIS? YOU DUNNO WHY JOSH? WELL THEY WOULD'VE TOLD JOSH, IS JOSH COMING? HE'S TELLING. YEAH, HE IS JUST, JOSH MIGHT KNOW WHY I ASK HIM A TOUGH QUESTION. AND MY UNDERSTANDING, IF YOU'RE THE GENERAL THAT WROTE THE LETTER, THEY HAVE MET WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY. YEAH, THE BUILDING WENT OUT THERE. FIRST WE MET WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER I ATTORNEY FILE. RIGHT? NO, THAT'S FINE IF YOU WANNA CALL THEM. THEY DID GO OUT AND MEET WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER. THEY AGREED TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY. UH, IT'S A GOOD PROPERTY ORDER. NOW ONE OF THE ISSUES I THINK THEY, THEY TABLED THE PROJECT ON IS WE REMINDED 'EM THE FACT THAT THIS SITE WAS REZONED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AS YOU KNOW, FOR FEDEX. AND THEIR PLAN WAS DIFFERENT THAN THEIR PLAN. THE BUILDING WAS FURTHER OFF THE PROPERTY LINE LIKE THAT. SO WE TOLD 'EM THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A REPORT WHEN THEY APPROVED ALBANIA AND IN THE REPORT THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, NEW FENCE, LANDSCAPING SET, ALL THOSE THINGS. SO THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEIR PLAN IS REPORTS WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED ZONING. BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN TABLE BECAUSE WE TOLD THEM WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS ALL THESE ISSUES. OKAY. PLEASE COME BACK TO THE NEXT WEEK. MAKE SURE THEY DO THAT. BUT UM, WILL THEY GO TO THE ZONING BOARD WITHOUT COMING HERE? NO, THEY CANNOT GO TO THE, I TOLD THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT THE LAW, THE TOWN IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO MEET WITH THE APPLICANT FIRST. MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND ALL THE ISSUES BEFORE GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S WHY I'M GUESSING WHY THEY ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU AROUND THE L PLAN LONGER A SKINNY. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 12 JEN'S COMING TONIGHT, RIGHT? AS FAR AS I KNOW, I KNOW. ONLY DENNIS IS GONNA BE. HI DENNIS COOKIES. BILL, YOU GOT EVERYBODY? THEY HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE ONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ORDER. DO WE KNOW HOW TO ORDER THESE FOR YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK, UH, SARAH VERY NICELY ASK SARAH SAY HOW DID WE ORDER? UH, WE ALSO MISSED PROVEN THE MINUTES FOR ONE OF THE MEETINGS. SARAH, THANK YOU. WE SKIPPED ONE, WHICH IS PROBABLY MY FAULT BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS THE ONE THAT'S PROPOSING, SO WE'RE MISSING. I APOLOGIZE IF PEOPLE CAN GRAB, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA START IN A COUPLE MINUTES AND WE GOT FOUR AGENDA. WE GOT FOUR PEOPLE. WE'RE GONNA START COMING THANKS TO MAKING ENTRANCE. YEAH, LET'S START WITH MARGO CAN COME LATE. WHAT YOU MAY WANNA DO AT THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING, BILL, [00:11:45] THIS ITEM IS BEING TABLED TONIGHT. THE GENTLEMAN JUST LEFT. UM, BUT HE WANTED US TO GIVE YOU THIS, THIS LETTER THAT HE, OR EMAIL THAT HE SUBMITTED TO THE PANEL ON THE AS DENTAL PROJECT TONIGHT. SO I'M JUST GIVING IT NOW START LOT. SURE. AND SO THEY KNOW ABOUT THE GARBAGE. SO I I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP WITH JOSH. WHAT'S THAT? THEY ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE GARBAGE AND THE GARBAGE UP. YES. THEY MET WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER. THE BUILDING FARMER WENT OUT WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER. THE PROPERTY MANAGER GUARANTEED THAT HE WOULD CLEAN UP. WHAT HE'S NOT GONNA DO IS THE FENCES FALLING DOWN ON THE PART, BUT THAT'LL BE PART OF PROJECT AND, AND THE DRAINAGE THIS TURNED ON YET? NO, THE DRAINAGE SHOULD BE PART OF THE PROJECT TOO. WHAT'S THAT? WHICH ONE? UH, THAT ASPEN DENTAL. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE HE COMPLAIN THAT THE DRAINAGE WASN'T ENOUGH TO CODE OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. THEY SUBMITTED IN DRAINAGE RIGHT NOW FOR THE FIFTH. RIGHT. UH, RIGHT NOW AS OF BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE TALKED ABOUT ANYTHING, WE HAVE FOUR WORK SESSION AND FIVE REGULAR MEETING FOR THE FIFTH. ALRIGHT. EVERY ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT EXCEPT FOR ONE IT'S NOT GETTING APPROVED. WE'RE GONNA START, RIGHT? YEAH, WE'LL START. THERE WE GO. UM, AN AGENDA. YOU WANT AN AGENDA? I CAN CHECK. OH, YOU DIDN'T? NO. AND I CAN JUST WING IT ON MY NOTES. RUN OVER THERE AND MAKE SOME QUICK COPIES. ALRIGHT, WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE FIRST ONE HERE. HERE'S MY AGENDA. SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BENDERSON. UH, I WANNA MY NOTES, LEMME IT THIS WAY THEN. HENDERSON DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN. APPROVAL OF AN EIGHT HUNDRED AND TWO FIVE HUNDRED FIFTY FOUR SQUARE FOOT FIVE BUILDING WAREHOUSE PARK TO BE LOCATED AT 5 2 2 0 CAMP ROAD. 802,000. WHAT'S THAT IN ACRES THAT, YEAH. 802,000, YEAH. 8,550. VERY, VERY, VERY BIG. THAT'S HUGE. GOOD EVENING. JAMES , FIVE 70 DELAWARE AVENUE. BUFFALO, NEW YORK. I GUESS I CAN WALK OVER HERE AND OPERATE THE AND SEE IF THIS WORKS. YEAH, I USE THE POWERPOINT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD IT WOULD WORK. THERE WE GO. UM, THIS IS THE BEST MEETING EVER. NO, THE LAST MEETING TOO. I FELT LIKE AN ISLAND, BUT NOW I FEEL LIKE I HAVE THE BEST VIEW. IT IS NOT A BAD DEAL ON THIS SIDE. NO, IT'S GREAT. SO WALKING THROUGH THIS SITE, UM, THIS IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF CAMP ROAD. IT'S, THE WHOLE SITE IS 79.93 ACRES. UM, THE ZONING FOR THIS SITE IS C TWO, WHICH IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL ABOUT 67 ACRES AN RA, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL, WHICH IS 12 POINT 12 ACRES. THE UM, C TWO IS ZONE IS RED. YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE IN BLUE WITH [00:15:01] THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. YOU SEE THE RED, THAT'S THE C TWO AND THE UM, RA IS THE 12 ACRES IN GREEN. THERE IS A 17.4 ACRE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WE PUT ON THIS PROPERTY AS PART OF AN APPROVAL THAT WE GOT WHEN WE GOT THE PROPERTY REZONED. SO THERE'S SOME HISTORY TO THIS PROPERTY. UM, TO THE WEST. THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED, R TWO, THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST. THIS PROPERTY IS ON C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL IN THE SOUTH. THERE'S THE THROUGHWAY, WHICH IS A PRETTY MAJOR INTERVENING UM, ROADWAY. AND TO THE NORTH IS M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. IN 2009, UM, THE TOWN BOARD REZONED THIS SITE ABOUT SE 17 ACRES OF IT FROM M TWO TO C TWO TO PERMITTED A LARGE SHOPPING CENTER DEVELOPMENT. UM, THAT SHOPPING CENTER DEVELOPMENT WAS 652,813 SQUARE FEET PLUS TWO HOTELS. UM, AT THAT TIME THE TOWN BOARD DID A-D-E-I-S AT FEIS AND ADOPTED SECRET FINDINGS ON MAY 11TH, 2009. IN THAT SECRET FINDINGS, THERE WERE CIVIL ENGINEER PLANS, SWIP ENGINEERING REPORT, TRAFFIC STUDY, WASTE STUDY, WETLAND DELINEATION AND AIR QUALITY ASSESSMENT. UM, AS PART OF THAT APPROVAL WE AGREED TO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT, WHICH WE DID PUT IN PLACE THAT ALLOWED FOR 150 FOOT BUFFER IN THIS AREA OF THE SITE TO BE MAINTAINED AND A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER IN THIS AREA SITE TO BE MAINTAINED. UM, ALL THE LOADING DOCKS FOR THIS PROJECT, I WILL NOTE DID FACE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND ONE OF THOSE WAS A GROCERY STORE, WHICH IS A HIGH TURNOVER, UM, TRACTOR TRAILER USER. THAT PROJECT DID NOT GO THROUGH. UM, THE RECESSION HIT, WE LOST THE TENANTS AND THE PROJECT NEVER WENT FORWARD. FAST FORWARD TO 2023, UM, AND WE'RE PROPOSING A DIFFERENT PROJECT. WE'VE BEEN MARKETING THIS SITE SINCE 2009. UM, AND THIS PROJECT IS AN 802,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, FIVE BUILDING WAREHOUSE PROJECT. THERE ARE FIVE BUILDINGS BUILDING A AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN IN A MINUTE IS ABOUT 308,000 SQUARE F FEET. BUILDING B IS 156,000 SQUARE FEET. BUILDING C IS 108. BUILDING B IS ONE 20 AND BUILDING F IS 108. WE'RE GOING WITH THE TWO SAME TWO ACCESS POINTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. A SIGNALED ACCESS ON CAMP ROAD AND AN ACCESS ON COMMERCE BOULEVARD. WE UTILIZE THE 17.4 ACRE CONSERVATION EASEMENT BUFFER, UM, TO BUFFER THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. IT'S A NATURAL BUFFER AND IT RANGES AS I NOTED, BETWEEN A HUNDRED AND 150 FEET DEEP. WE REDESIGNED THE SITE SO NO LOADING DOCKS WOULD FACE ANY NEIGHBORS. SO THE BUILDINGS ARE USING ARE USED TO SCREEN THE, THE LOADING DOCKS SO THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE. AND THEN OAS DOESN'T TRAVEL THROUGH THE BUILDINGS. ALL LIGHTING IS DARK SKY COMPLIANT. AND THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO BE BELOW THE ENVIRONMENT. ENVIRONMENTAL THRESHOLDS OF THE 2009 SECRET FINDINGS ADOPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD. THIS IS THE PROJECT. UM, THE LARGER BUILDING, JUST GO BACK. YOU HAVE THE LARGE 308,000 SQUARE BUILDING LOCATED ALONG THE THROUGHWAY WITH THE LOADING DOCKS FACING THE THROUGHWAY AND EN LARGE BUFFER AREA AND STORMWATER IN THIS AREA. WE MAINTAIN ALL THE GREEN SPACE. THERE WAS PREVIOUS APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT AND THIS IS THE FRONT OF EACH BUILDING WITH PARKING LOT. AND THEN THE LOADING DOCKS ARE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AND THEN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS IN THIS DIRECTION WITH SOME ADDITIONAL EXCESS, UM, TRUCK PARKING FOR TRUCKS IN THE AREA. WE MAINTAIN GREEN SPACE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SITE, ALL THE WAY, UM, TOWARDS CAMP ROAD. SO A LOT OF THE SITE IS SCREENED. AS FAR AS THE SETBACKS, WE MAINTAIN THE ONE 50 AND THE 100. AND THIS AREA IS, UM, ALL PARKING AREA, NOT LOADING OR UNLOADING AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. IN 2009. WHEN THEY DID THE SEEKER, THEY PROVIDED A NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS AND THAT INCLUDED UM, ALL THE SAME DOCUMENTS WE PROVIDED NOW. SO WE PROVIDED THE BOARD WITH THE BINDER. THE BINDER IS ALL THE STUDIES ARE PREVIOUSLY UPDATED TO 2023. SO YOU HAVE EVERY STUDY THAT WAS IN 2009 UPDATED FOR THIS PROJECT. THAT INCLUDES NEW CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS, A NEW STORE ORDER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN, NEW ENGINEERING REPORTS, A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY, A NEW NOISE STUDY, A NEW WETLAND AND WATER BY DELINEATION REPORT, AND AN AIR QUALITY ASSESSMENT. THOSE ARE THE EXACT SAME STUDIES THAT WERE RELIED ON IN 2009. UM, THE 2009 SECRET FINDINGS DEEMED THAT BASED ON THE IMPACTS THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR THAT PROJECT, THAT IT WAS THE MINIMAL INVASIVE NECESSARY AND THAT'S THE PARAGRAPH. AND THEY WENT FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. THE 2023 PROJECT. ONCE YOU REVIEW ALL THESE STUDIES, MAINTAINS ALL THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MITIGATIONS [00:20:01] AND DEMONSTRATES THAT THESE IMPACTS ARE THE SAME OR BELOW THIS, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT. SO WE'RE BELOW THE SECRET FINDINGS IN 2009 AS FAR AS IMPACTS. THAT INCLUDES LIGHTING, NOISE, TRAFFIC, ALL THOSE IMPACTS. SO WE DID PROVIDE THOSE STUDIES. WE DID PROVIDE RENDERINGS AND BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROJECT. THEY'RE NOT WHAT YOU TYPICALLY CONSIDER WAREHOUSE FROM 25 YEARS AGO. THEY LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE OFFICE BUILDINGS. UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER, THAT'S WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, THE FOUR BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA IN THE MIDDLE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS OFFICES IN THE CORNER. AND THEN THERE'LL BE NO, UM, LOADING FACING ANY OF THE RESIDENTS. YOU'LL SEE SOLID BUILDING THAT'LL ARCHITECTURALLY BROKEN UP THERE IS 150 FOOT WOODY BUFFER. SO IT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THOSE NEIGHBORS. SO THAT IS GENERALLY THE PROJECT. UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COURT HAS. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE DID PROVIDE ALL THE STUDIES UP FRONT BY THE WAY. UM, JOSH TRIED TO EMAIL YOU. IT'S A HUNDRED PLUS MEGABYTE FILE INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON THIS PROJECT. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IN GETTING A DROP. WE CANNOT PUT THAT ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. TRY TO GET A DROPBOX OR SOMETHING SO YOU CAN REVIEW ALL THE INFORMATION. WE GAVE YOU SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THAT FOLDER, BUT IT'S OVER A HUNDRED MEGABYTES. THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD EMAIL IT OR PLACE IT ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET AWAY. IT'S A BINDER. IT'S THIS LIKE THIS. THERE ARE SOME RIGHT BINDERS IN IF YOU WANT. THERE ARE SOME EXTRA BINDERS IN OUR OFFICE. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ONE HOME WITH YOU TONIGHT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME AND WRAP ONE OF THOSE. BUT ALSO WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TO GET IT ON TO A DROPBOX OR SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD GET ONTO AND LOOK AT. AND INCLUDED IN THIS BINDER WITH THE STUDIES IS AN ANALYSIS COMPARING THE 2009 SECRET FINDINGS AND THE IMPACTS. FIRST WHAT'S HERE AND A SUMMARY. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2009 AS FAR AS SEEKER GOES. WHAT THIS PROJECT IS AND HOW IT IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2009. SO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES, AND I KNOW YOU WERE, I BELIEVE PARTICIPATED IN THE, I SAID IT ON THE GATEWAY AREA SESSION WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. DID YOU PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS AND WRITE UP IN THAT PACKET ABOUT THE COMP PLAN UPDATES WE HAVE AND THEN THE WE HAVE NOT YET. YOU'RE AS, AS HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO, YOUR BIGGEST FIRST DECISION IS GONNA BE THE CONFORMANCE TO THE ORIGINAL EI AND FINDING TECHNICALLY, HERE'S THE INTERESTING PART. I TALKED TO AN ATTORNEY ON THIS. TECHNICALLY BY THE LETTER OF THE LAW, YOU HAVE NOT ISSUED FINDINGS ON THE FIRST PROJECT YET. SO TECHNICALLY YOU DO NOT HAVE FINDINGS. 'CAUSE TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THE TOWN BOARD IN REZONING THE SITE DID SEEKER ON THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT ISSUED FINDINGS, THEN IT WOULD COME TO OTHER REGULATORY AGENCIES, INCLUDING YOURSELF. IF THEY PROPOSED ONE OF THE PROJECTS WITHIN THEIR OLD PROJECT, YOU WOULD ISSUE YOUR FINDINGS AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN CONFORMANCE. SO IT IS REALLY BIZARRE NOW BECAUSE HERE IT IS, 14 YEARS LATER, WE DO NOT HAVE, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY FINDINGS. SO WE WILL AGREE THE TOWN BOARD HAS, WE WILL, WE WILL USE THE TOWN BOARD'S FINDINGS, BUT IT'S, IT, IT IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT. IT WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT. SO I UNDERSTAND THEIR APPROACH IS TRYING TO SAY THAT THE ALL THE IMPACTS ARE LESS, BUT IT IS A VERY DIFFERENT PROJECT. UH, AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED THAT THERE, A MAJOR CHANGE IS WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING IS THAT THERE'S NO GOING TO BE, NO, IT IS AN ACT GRADE ENTRANCE OR WHATEVER. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA WORK WITH DOT ON TRAFFIC STUDIES, ET CETERA. UM, SO IT IS A, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANNA DO OF A SECRET. AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE FOUR, FOUR CHOICES. YOU CAN SAY THE PROJECT'S TOTALLY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE FINDINGS. YOU CAN SAY, WELL, IT'S NOT TOTALLY IN CONFORMANCE, BUT BASED UPON THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED, WE ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. OR C YOU CAN DO AN AMENDED FINDINGS, WHICH WE'RE NOT GONNA DO BECAUSE WE WE DIDN'T ISSUE THE FINDINGS. OR THE LAST CHOICES IS YOU ISSUE A POSITIVE DECK AND ASK FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THOSE FOUR. WELL, THREE OF THE FOUR, WE CAN'T ISSUE AMENDED FINDINGS BECAUSE WE DID NOT ISSUE THE FINDINGS. SO WE COULD DO THAT. AND AGAIN, WE CAN GET LEGAL ADVICE. JEN, JENNA, LOOK INTO THAT. IT IS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION. LIKE I SAID, NOTHING WAS EVER ACTED ON ON THAT, ON THAT FINDING. SO, BUT THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. THEY SUBMITTED A LOT OF INFORMATION TO YOU, BUT IT TOOK A WHILE FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH. I WOULD USE THE FINDINGS TO BEGIN WITH LIKE THEY DID AND THEN SAY, OR IS THERE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEYOND WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED FOR YOU TO MAKE? OBVIOUSLY I'LL SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA HOPEFULLY THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE DECISION THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A NEGATIVE DECK. I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY IT'S CO COMPLETING IN PERFORMANCE WITH THE FINDINGS BECAUSE IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROJECT. I MEAN THE, IF YOU READ THE OPENING PATTERN JUST IN THE ACTION, WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. [00:25:01] IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU COULD, MAY ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE HOPING THAT THAT, THAT, THAT INFORMATION WILL SHOW THAT THE IMPACTS ARE LESS OR NOT INSIGNIFICANT OR WHATEVER. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, THE THE OTHER SCENARIO IS THAT YOU ASKED FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL, THAT THERE'S ENOUGH CHANGES TO THE PROJECT THAT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. SO I, I PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. I OBVIOUSLY, JEN HAS TO LOOK INTO IT. YOU'RE LOOK INTO IT. BUT THAT'S KIND OF MY UNDERSTANDING. THERE'S A CASE AT SOUTH HAMPTON THAT RUNS THE COURT APPELLATE DIVISION. AND WHEN THERE'S A LEAD AGENCY AND, AND THIS, THIS IS THE, THE T BOARD'S LEAD AGENCY TO THIS. BUT THOSE SECRET FINDINGS ARE BINDING ON THE OTHER AGENCIES. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE A DT DOESN'T RIGHT. THEIR OWN FINDINGS, BUT THE DETERMINATIONS ARE BINDINGS. SO, WELL, I CAN PROVIDE THAT CASE. I CAN PROVIDE, I CAN'T TALK, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. I KNOW THAT CASE, BUT I'LL, BUT I'LL PROVIDE, BUT EACH AGENCY MUST ISSUE THEIR OWN FINDINGS. RIGHT? SO, BUT, AND, AND IN THIS CASE, LOOK, WE, IT'S A LOT, IT'S A BIG PROJECT, RIGHT? IT'S A LOT TO REVIEW. BUT OUR, OUR GOAL WAS TO SHOW THEN THAT WHEN THIS WAS REZONED, IT WAS, IT WAS, WE WERE UNDER THE, ALL THOSE IMPACTS AND WE REMAINED UNDER THOSE IMPACTS. AND IN FACT, IF I CAME IN WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER, THE DOCKS WERE, THE DOCKS WERE ALL THE LOADING, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT FACING ALL THE NEIGHBORS. AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WE TURNED THIS SITE AROUND TO ACTUALLY REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS SO THAT WE, WE CAN, WE CAN FURTHER BUFFER THE NOISE. SO WE, WE UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE BEGINNING, THE STAGE WHERE WE PROVIDED AS MUCH AS WE COULD AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE BOARD ON IT. OKAY. A LOT OF WORK FOR THE BOARD. THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS YOUR FIRST INTRODUCTION TO THEM. WE GOTTA GET THOSE DOCUMENTS ON A DROPBOX. THEY DO NOT HAVE COPIES OF ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS. THEY HAVE COPIES OF SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS. UM, WE'LL GET THOSE ALL. BUT WHILE THEY'RE HERE, ARE THERE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY OF THEM, OTHER INFORMATION, IT MAY BE ALREADY SUBMITTED, BUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU HAVE THE DRAFT FINDINGS, YOU HAVE SOME OF THE UP UPDATED STUDIES, NOISE, TRAFFIC, ET CETERA. ARE THERE OTHER THINGS OF CONCERN? OBVIOUSLY, I THINK UM, UH, YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THERE'S A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE IS DIFFERENT IDEAS FOR WHAT THIS AREA SHOULD BE FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT. SO THAT MAY HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN A, IN A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OR A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATE. AND THAT THAT PROPERTY LONG CAMP ROAD IS STILL OWNED BY THE DOT, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND IT IS GONNA COME UP FOR SALE. WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY, THROUGH, THROUGH AUTHORITY THIS YEAR. OKAY. THAT PROPERTY IS GONNA GO OUT OF AUCTION TO BE SOLD. IN FACT, WHEN UH, WE DID THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE DISTRICT, WE SENT IT TO THE D-O-T-D-O-T HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THAT, UH, UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY SELL THE THROUGHWAY PROPERTY, THERE'S GONNA BE NO ENTRANCES ALLOWED IN THAT PROPERTY. ON THAT PROPERTY YOU HAVE TO USE ADJOINING UP TO THE ONE. AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT WAS THAT THERE WERE PLANS IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD US, THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT THAT PROPERTY UP FOR AUCTION THIS YEAR. THEY ORIGINALLY SAID IN THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR, BUT WE'LL SEE. BUT THAT PROPERTY, THE ONLY ADJOINING PROPERTY IS THIS ONE. WHAT'S THAT? THE ONLY ADJOINING PROPERTY, IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN ENTRANCE AT CAMP ROAD IS THIS ONE. IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH. THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S COME UP IS THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA AUCTION THAT PROPERTY, THEY REALLY HAVE NO ACCESS. ACCESS WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY. SO THEY'RE SAYING THAT YOU COULDN'T ADD ANOTHER ACCESS AT THE LIGHT LLOYD INTERCHANGE? THEY SAID NO. AND THIS FURTHER THING, THEY SAID THEY WILL NOT ALLOW ADDITIONAL ACCESS. THEY DON'T WANT IT ANYWHERE NEAR THE THROUGHWAY RAMP. YEAH, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT IT OPPOSITE THE THROUGHWAY. THERE'S, AND THEY DON'T WANNA OFFSET FROM THE THROUGHWAY EITHER. I FACT THEY GO PAST, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE LITTLE ROAD THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET? I FORGET THE NAME. THERE'S A LITTLE ROAD THAT GOES INTO THE COMMERCE BY THE HOTEL THERE OR WHATEVER. IT'S COMMERCE. COMMERCE DRIVE. THANK YOU. IT'S BETWEEN COMMERCE CENTER AND THE GROUP. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ENTRANCE. IT'S NOW, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SQUEEZE AN ENTRANCE IN AT THAT FAR END THERE, BUT, UM, DON'T KNOW. IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. RIGHT. IT'S GONNA HAVE, SO AGAIN, PLANNING THAT AREA, AND AGAIN, BENSON OWNS A LOT OF THAT PROPERTY PLANNING. THAT AREA IS GONNA BE INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S SOLD AND HOW'S THAT GONNA FIT INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT? 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT PROPERTY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE, TO THE HIGHWAY. THERE'S KIND OF HARD TO SELL A PIECE OF PROPERTY IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE HIGHWAY. YEAH, I WOULD SAY SO. SO YOU ASKED WHAT OTHER INFORMATION? A LIGHTING PLAN. IT'S IN THERE. YEP. THERE'S QUITE A LOT IN THAT PACKET. EVERYTHING. WE HAVE A FULL SET OF CIVILS. YOU HAVE A, A LIGHTING PLAN, ALL THE LIGHT TO DARK SKY COMPLIANT. NOTHING IS ON ANY RUNNING PROPERTIES. WE'VE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING THAT SIMILAR, IF YOU WANNA READ WHAT THE TABLE CONTENTS THERE. THE TABLE CONTENTS IS, IS QUITE EXTENSIVE. DID WE SEND THEM THE TABLE OF CONTENTS OR JUST PARTS OF IT? WHAT WAS THE PROJECT IN 2009? TWO HOTELS. OKAY. IT WAS A RETAIL RESTAURANT. HOTEL. IT'S A SERIES OF WAREHOUSES. YES. YES. SO ISN'T THERE KIND OF A QUESTION ON WHETHER THIS IS A NEW PROJECT? IT IS, IT IS. IT'S A NEW PROJECT. REZONING. YES. THE REZONING, THE, THE, THE ZONING THAT PUT, THAT MADE THIS PROJECT POSSIBLE IS THE SAME AS PART [00:30:01] OF THAT PROJECT. THE TOWN BOARD REVIEWED ALL THE IMPACTS OF THE FULL DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. AND AND YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO DO A SUPPLEMENTAL E-I-S-E-I-S, WHICH IS JUST TO TAKE WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE AND COMPARE THIS PROJECT TO IT, WHICH IS WHAT I DID. WHICH IS WHY, WHICH IS WHY I GAVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION. EVERY STUDY THAT WAS IN 2009 IS IN THIS IS IN THIS BINDER UPDATED TO THIS, THIS DATE. RIGHT. SO YOUR OPTIONS WHEN YOU HAVE A PRIOR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT IS YOU CAN DO A SUPPLEMENT EIS YOU COULD TAKE INFORMATION, YOU CAN MAKE , YOU'RE NOT THE BOARD THAT ISSUED THAT FINDING STATEMENT. IF YOU WERE, YOU COULD AMEND IT. RIGHT? RIGHT. THEY DIDN'T ISSUE IT. THEY CAN'T AMEND. SO THEY CAN'T AMEND IT. AND, AND THE OTHER OPTION, YOU KNOW THO THOSE ARE REALLY YOUR THREE OPTIONS. RIGHT? SO, SO THE SEEKER LAWS HAVE ALSO BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2009. SO WHAT WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO REVIEW IS ANY OF THE CHANGES IN THE GUIDANCE AND UPDATES. I HAVE READ THOSE LAW CHANGES. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. AND I WITH THE LAW FIRM THAT HELP WRITE THOSE. AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT REALLY CHANGES THE REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT THO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS. SO AGAIN, MARGOT BRINGS THE 0.02. IT IS A NO DOUBT, IT IS A VERY DIFFERENT PROJECT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WAY YOU CAN SAY THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO. AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS REVIEW IT ALL AND SAY THAT THE PROJECT CHANGES AREN'T SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. THAT IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A SUPPLEMENTAL EFFECT. THAT'S MY OPINION. I'M GIVING YOU MY OPINION. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS. BUT THE FINDINGS ARE ALL BASED UPON A VERY SPECIFIC PROJECT. IT WASN'T REALLY A GENERIC IMPACT STATEMENT. IT WAS VERY MUCH A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT WAS PROPOSED AND THAT, AND THAT IS OUR REQUEST FOR THAT. THAT THAT, YEAH. YOU'RE ASKING WHEN YOU REVIEW, WHEN YOU REVIEW THIS, THE IMPACTS OF THIS ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. RIGHT? WELL, ALTHOUGH THE BUILDINGS CHANGED AND, AND THE TYPES OF PROJECT CHANGED THE IMPACTS OF THE SAME RIGHT. THE WHOLE SITE WASN'T REZONED. IT WAS PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED, SOME OF THE PROPERTY WAS INDUSTRIAL, SOME OF THE PROPERTY WAS C ONE. THEY REZONED IT ALL THE C TWO AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S THOSE GREEN SPACES. THAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THE REZONING. THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE A BUFFER TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT WERE BEHIND THERE. AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT WAS TO LEAVE IT ZONED RA AND SAY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT REZONING, IT'S NOT INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 17.9 ACRES IS WHAT WAS REZONING FROM IN C TWO AND THE PROPERTY IS 79 ACRES. SO A LOT OF IT WAS ALREADY C TWO. SOME OF THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY EVEN PART OF THE COMMERCE PARTWAY TO COMMERCE PART THERE THAT HAS THE, WHAT'S IN THERE NOW THERE'S A RESTAURANT IN THE FRONT AND THERE'S A COUPLE HOTELS AND WHATEVER. IF YOU NOTICE THAT PART OF THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA COME OUT TOO, IS IS YOU'RE GONNA COME OUT THAT ENTRANCE AND CREATE ANOTHER ENTRANCE. BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS A SKETCH PLAN. WELL, THEY SUBMITTED MORE THAN A SKETCH PLAN. THEY SUBMITTED ALMOST A CLEAN APPLICATION. BUT IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME SEEING IT OR TREATING AS A SKETCH PLAN. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER REQUESTS OF THAT? YOU HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO REVIEW. A LOT OF INFORMATION TO REVIEW. UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, YEAH, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING YOU ADDRESS HOW, UM, THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FITS WITH THE PROJECT. I THINK WE DROPPED. I WOULD LIKE THE WE HAVE EXTRA COPIES OF, OF THAT DOCUMENT IN THE PLANNING OFFICE. ANYBODY WANTS TO STOP BY? I MEAN NOT ONLY HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THE FULL SET OF DRAWINGS IF YOU WANT. HOW MANY SHEETS IS IT? IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT IS A FULL, RIGHT. I THINK WE HAD 40 SHEETS. I THINK WE DROPPED 20 OF THESE OFF. IF YOU NEED MORE OF THEM, JUST LET ME KNOW. I'LL HAVE MORE MADE. SOUNDS LIKE PLENTY. WE DROPPED ENOUGH OFF I THINK FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE. YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU WANT HARD COPIES, LET US KNOW. WE WERE ALSO THINKING OF DROPBOX, DEPENDING ABOUT HOW COMFORTABLE YOU FEEL AND WHAT YOU'RE LIKE WORKING WITH. THE FEELING IS THIS IS, THIS IS EASIER TO READ AND PRINT IT RIGHT THAN IT IS ON THE COMPUTER. SO IF YOU NEED MORE COPIES, JUST LET ME KNOW. I'LL HAVE TO DROP OFF. SO THE QUESTION FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, DO WE THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH THAT IN FOUR WEEKS AND HAVE 'EM COME BACK? OR ARE WE GONNA NEED LONGER? YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T THINK WE NEED MORE BECAUSE WE DID NOT MAIL ANY OF THESE OUT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE TOO BIG. THERE ARE PROBABLY SEVEN OR JOSH BELIEVE SEVEN OR EIGHT COPIES OF THAT STILL IN THE PLANNING OFFICE. SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE SAYING 12 PEOPLE TOOK 'EM ALREADY? WHAT'S THAT? THERE WERE THE 12 PEOPLE THAT ALREADY WERE TAKEN A COPY. WE DROPPED A LOT OF THESE OFF. JOE. I, I TOOK ONE BACK TO OUR OFFICE. ENGINEERING HAS ONE A BUNCH OF THE DIFFERENT, WE PUT ONE IN THE, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES AND STUFF HAVE A COPY, BUT WE DO HAVE EXTRA COPIES. I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYMORE. I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH FOR EACH ONE OF YOU TO COME IN THE OFFICE AFTERWARDS AND GRAB ONE. WE DON'T EXPECT TO BE BACK IN FOUR WEEKS. SO IF YOU NEED MORE TIME, IT'S A PROJECT AFTER. WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU EXPECT TO BE BACK? HAVE US BACK. SO, SO HOW LONG, ANYBODY GOT AN IDEA? WHAT I DON'T EXPECT. SO NEXT YOU COULD GO TO THE REGULAR MEETING IN MAY. HERE'S THE DATE NEXT. DO YOU WANNA DO THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY? I DON'T WANT IT TO LINGER TOO LONG BECAUSE IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DATA REQUESTS, I'D LIKE TO YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO GET THOSE REQUESTS FIRST MEETING IN APRIL'S ALREADY FULL, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT ANYTHING FROM TODAY ONTO THAT ONE. ALRIGHT, SO YOU HAVE MAY 3RD [00:35:01] OR MAY 17TH. MAY 3RD, THE 17TH. ANYBODY HAVE PREFERENCE? MAY 3RD. MAY 3RD. ALL WE'RE GONNA BE ON FROM MAY 3RD. MAY 3RD. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION. OH, SURE. CAN I ASK SOME QUESTIONS? OH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SORRY. THANK YOU. EVERYBODY'S TALKING NOTHING. UM, I, I JUST NEED YOU TO, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY FOR ME. YEP. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS CINDY GAR AND I'M THE NEW, ONE OF THE NEW MEMBERS AND I DON'T HAVE A NAME POINT. SO, UM, THE ENTRANCE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTRANCES. SO THE ENTRANCE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY DOT IS UP HERE. OKAY. AND THE PROPOSED AT THAT POINT, THAT WAS GONNA GET A SIGNAL. OKAY. AND ANOTHER ENTRANCE IS A CONNECTION TO COMMERCE . OKAY. WE ANTICIPATE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS GONNA USE THIS SIGNALIZE ACCESS. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'LL, IT'LL COME OFF THE THROUGHWAY, IT'LL MAKE A LEFT AND THEN YOU COULD FEED THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDINGS. AND THEN IF YOU, IF THEY NEEDED TO, THEY COULD SWING BY THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, GET TO THE BACK AND AVOIDS PUTTING ANY TRAFFIC TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORS AND TRUCK TRAFFIC. THAT'S, THAT'S THE IDEA OF THE PLAN. SO WHICH PIECE OF PROPERTY IS GONNA BE UP FOR SALE THAT'S CAUSING THIS, THIS BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE IS UP FOR SALE. YEAH. AND WHAT THEY SAID WAS, UNFORTUNATELY FROM THIS ROAD ALL THE WAY TO HERE, THERE'LL BE NO ENTRANCES ALLOWED ONTO THE, AND I THINK THEY MAY THINK, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE CHANGED THAT. I THINK THEY, THEY NOW TALKED ABOUT ONE ENTRANCE BECAUSE THEY REALIZED, OKAY, WELL THE LAST LETTER I HAD FROM THEM WAS NO ENTRANCE. AND THAT WAS ONLY LAST MONTH. THEY SAID NO ENTRANCE. SO WITH THE HARD TO SELL THE PROPERTY, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ROAD THERE. NOW WHERE THERE IS, THERE'S NO ROAD THERE NOW. OKAY. SO I COULDN'T, WHEN WE GOT THE SHOPPING CENTER APPROVED, WE PUSHED THE ENTRANCE AS FAR FROM THROUGHWAY AS POSSIBLE AND WE'RE KEEPING IT THERE BECAUSE WE'RE ASSUMING YOU CAN'T CONNECT TO THAT OTHER LOT. THIS LOT. YEAH. NO, WE CAN'T CONNECT TO THAT LOT. AND NOW IT'S GOT NO ACCESS. THERE'S THE ENTERPRISE IS OVER THERE, SO THERE'S LIKE A VACANT LOT THERE THAT DOES NOT HAVE LIKE A CUT THROUGH. I THINK THERE'S LIKE A GRAVEL PATCH IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT ONE. AND THEN NEXT TO IT IS WHERE THE ENTERPRISE CAR RENTAL IS, RIGHT? THIS ONE HERE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS FARTHER DOWN. NO, IT'S LOT RENTAL CARS THERE. SO CAN YOU CLARIFY, UM, ALSO THE WAREHOUSES, IT'S JUST EVERY ONE COMPANY USING THESE BUILDINGS? NO, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF, UM, SO, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE COVID, YOU'VE NOTICED THAT ON ONLINE YOU ORDER THINGS AND IT GETS TO YOU WITHIN TWO DAYS. UM, ALL THOSE COMPANIES ARE KEEPING, UH, THAT UM, MATERIAL WITH GENERALLY WITHIN A HUNDRED MILES WHERE THEY'RE DELIVERING IT. SO WE'RE SEEING ALL THE COMPANIES, UM, HAVING EATING PLACES TO STORE STUFF SO THEY CAN DELIVER IT. UM, THAT'S GENERALLY WE HAVE, WE HAVE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS BUILD UP ALL OUR AVAILABLE WAREHOUSE SPACE IN WESTERN NEW YORK. AND WE ALMOST HAVE AT THIS POINT. IT'S, IT'S AREA AND THAT IT, UM, WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE HERE, WE'RE WORKING WITH SOMETIMES RIGHT NOW WHO'RE INTERESTED, BUT THE BUILDINGS WILL BE DIFFERENT USES. OKAY. SO THE VOLUME OF SMALLER TRUCKS WILL BE PRETTY HIGH. RIGHT? IT'LL, IT'LL BE UM, TRACTOR TRAILERS AND THEN PROBABLY BOX TRUCKS. UM, A LOT OF THIS STUFF GETS DELIVERED OUT TO THE STORES. WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT AMAZON, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SMALL PARKING AREAS. IF YOU LOOK AT, AT AMAZON AND YOU EVER SEE A SITE PLAN, THERE'S A MILLION THINGS FOR THOSE OLD SMALL DELIVERY TRUCKS. THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF USE WE'RE DOING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STUFF GOING BACK OUT TO THE STORES. YOU KNOW, THEY BRING IT HERE, THEY CAN GET IT THERE, THEN THEY CAN DELIVER IT OUT. AND THAT WAS MY QUE QUESTION IS THAT WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH, IF WE'RE GONNA PROVE SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL CUSTOMERS, WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT SOME STRONG CONDITIONS ON. OBVIOUSLY YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY IS BASED UPON A CERTAIN TYPE OF WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION. IT'S NOT AN AMAZON TYPE FACILITY, WHICH GENERATES A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAN WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR TRAFFIC SITE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE A RESTRICTION ON THE TYPE OF, OF WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION FACILITY THAT GOES IN THERE. UH, AND IT'S GONNA HAVE A LIMIT ON, ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. 'CAUSE THERE'S TRAFFIC BUDDY IS BASED UPON WAREHOUSING, WHICH GENERATES LESS THAN USUALLY A FULL SCALE. AND WE, AND WE HAVE THESE PARKS THROUGHOUT WESTERN NEW YORK, RIGHT. CHIEF . SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT RIGHT. YOU, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE. AND OF COURSE YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY IS GONNA GO TO THE DT YOU'RE GONNA COMMENT ON. SO THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IF WE DON'T KNOW WHICH TENANT IT IS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SHIPPING BACK TO A STORE OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA GET A SLEW OF UPS, FEDEX, DHL, ET CETERA TRUCKS GOING OUT THERE FOR INDIVIDUAL DELIVERY. WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT AT THIS TIME. CORRECT. LIKE YOU COULD HAVE, YOU COULD HAVE A TENANT THAT COMES IN THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY HAVE COMING IN, IS ALSO HAVING SHIPMENTS DEPARTING BY A COMMON CARRIER. WELL YOU HAVE ZONING, UM, ZONING DEALS WITH USE, NOT USER, RIGHT? YEAH. SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE LAW. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE PLANNING BOARD, WHERE, WHERE WERE THEY USED? RIGHT? SO OUR USE IS WAREHOUSE. WELL I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU COVERED THAT IN YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY. WE COVERED IT BY MEDIA TO SERVER AS POSSIBLE. AND OUR, AND OUR, OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES GENERALLY OVERESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT COME FROM THESE SITES. AND THEY DID ON THIS ONE, I'VE NEVER HAD A TRAFFIC AND WE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WAREHOUSES. AND THEN WHAT IT ENDS UP BEING IS GENERALLY A MIX OF TENANTS, [00:40:01] RIGHT? SO YOU GET SOME TENANTS THAT THEY GET TRAFFIC TRAILING ONCE A WEEK AND THEY'RE NOT GENERATING THE TRAFFIC YET. WE, WE HAVE A FACILITY IN CHEEK DAGA THAT HAS THE OF THOSE TENANTS AND THEN A TINY DHL SECTION IN IT FOR 20,000 SQUARE FEET. NOW YES, THAT'S MORE TRAFFIC, BUT YOU'LL, THE OVERALL TRAFFIC WE PLAN FOR THIS. THAT'S NOT HOW TRAFFIC BREAKS OUT. SO WHAT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER DOES IS APPLIES TO IT TE WAREHOUSE NUMBER TO THIS, THE IT STUDY IS BASED ON A STUDY OF HUNDREDS OF WAREHOUSES WITH ALL MIXES OF USES AND THAT BLENDS THE TRAFFIC. THAT'S HOW WE GET TO THIS. AMAZON IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT AN AMAZON WAREHOUSE. SO AMAZON IS, IF YOU, IF YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE AN AMAZON IN THIS TOWN, RIGHT? NO. WE HAVE A VACANT AMAZON BUILDING STUFF. NO. SO AMAZON, IF YOU, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ALL THESE BUILDINGS 'CAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE ONE BIG BUILDING, THEN YOU WOULD'VE A TRACTOR TRAILER PARKING AREA AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A HUGE FIELD FOR ALL THEIR TRUCKS. YES, WE HAVE ONE AND YOU CAN PICK THEM OUT THE MINUTE YOU SEE THEM NOT, SO THAT'S, I CALL THAT HOME DISTRIBUTION. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS LAID OUT FOR. WE'RE NOT EVEN BUILT FOR THAT. WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT REGULATES WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. THANK YOU. WE DON'T PROVIDE FOR THAT ON THIS SITE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S ALMOST MY QUESTION. ALRIGHT, SO LET'S, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE BENDERSON WAREHOUSE TO MAY 3RD. THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL. SECOND BY SECOND. CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. UM, AND WE'LL BE PICKING UP THOSE BOOKS TONIGHT. YEAH. ARE THE PEOPLE FROM SPLASH CAR WASHER YET? SO WE WANTED YOU TO TALK TO, UH, BENDERSON AT SOME POINT IN TIME. SO THAT WOULD BE THEIR GUY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH. OKAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP WHILE HE WAS STILL HERE. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WE GOT AN EMAIL TODAY TOO THAT THE BALL IS FOR SALE. ALRIGHT, UM, LET'S, LET'S, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ATORY MANAGEMENT REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT BURKE PARKWAY. SO THIS IS A SMALLER WAREHOUSE IN AN INDUSTRIAL SECTION. YEAH. MUCH SMALLER. INSTEAD OF 800 AND SOME THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THIS IS ACTUALLY 48,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. SO THAT'S ABOUT LITTLE BIT MORE SPREAD OVER THREE BUILDINGS. TWO 16,000 SQUARE FOOT, ONE 12,000 SQUARE FOOT. UM, THE TYPE OF WAREHOUSE THAT THESE ARE WILL MATCH THE LIBERATORY CURRENTLY HAS ON THEIR DISTINCT SITE TO THE SOUTH. UM, I HAVE PICTURES OF THOSE. I ALSO BUILDING ELEVATIONS WE SUBMITTED. YOU WANT TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF, I'M TALKING, YOU ALL KNOW WHERE THIS IS? WE APOLOGIZE IN OUR MEMO. WE DIDN'T HAVE A, UH, WE GOT THE MAP THAT COME OUT ON THE, ON THIS, YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS? OH, I WAS GONNA POINT OUT TO THE WEST IS THE THROUGHWAY TO THE EAST IS THE FORMER FORMER MCKINLEY PARK INN. UH, TO THE NORTH THERE'S A BUNCH OF VACANT PROPERTY. THERE'S A PAPER STREET HERE, BUT IT'S ALL VACANT FROM HERE UP TO HIGHLAND. UH, TO THE SOUTH IS, UH, LIBERATOR'S EXISTING OFFICE AND SMALL WAREHOUSE SIDE ON THAT SIDE. UM, THIS WOULD BE THE SAME AS I MENTIONED, SAME AS THIS, EXCEPT FOR A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. SAME, SAME CONCEPT. OVERHEAD DOORS, MAN DOOR. YOU CAN RENT 'EM BY THE BAY. YOU CAN RENT MORE THAN ONE BAY. UH, THE OWNERS MIGHT ACTUALLY TAKE THIS BUILDING ON THE END FOR THEIR OWN USE FOR THEIR EQUIPMENT AND WHATNOT FOR THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT WORK. PARKWAY DOES THAT END AT THIS POINT? RIGHT NOW THE PAVEMENT ENDS HERE, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A SMALL PUBLIC ROAD EXTENSION. AND AT THE END OF THAT WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE AN EASEMENT FOR SNOW PLOW TURNAROUND. UM, WHICH CURRENTLY DOES NOT EXIST. IT JUST ENDS. AND I THINK THEY PROBABLY PUSH IT INTO THE MCKINLEY PARKING PARKING LOT. I ASSUME NOBODY'S USED IT. WHO OWNS THE MCKINLEY PARK? IT WAS YOU GUYS JUST REVIEWED THAT. THAT'S LIFE STORAGE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WAS IT WAS LIFE STORAGE. YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE SAME PAPER ROAD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT MM-HMM. BEHIND. YEAH. THE, THAT A BUS IN THE BACK. RIGHT? THERE'S A SEWER EASEMENT AND STUFF THAT GOES THROUGH HERE. NOW THE ACTUAL PAPER STREET, THIS PART BETWEEN WHERE BURKE PARK LANDS HERE AND HERE, THIS ACTUALLY IS NOT A PAPER STREET. ATORY ACTUALLY OWNS THAT. IT STARTS AGAIN HERE AND GOES NORTH AND STARTS HERE AND GOES SOUTH. WHERE'S THE, THERE'S A UTILITY PARCEL. IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THIS MAP. IT'S ADJACENT TO THE LIFE STORAGE FACILITY THOUGH. THIS IS THE OTHER WAY FROM THAT. RIGHT? THIS IS BEHIND IT TO THE, TO THE WEST OF LIFE STORAGE. WAS THIS GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM MCKINLEY? NO. STORAGE. IT'S ACTUALLY BLOCKS BY MCKINLEY PARK INN OR THE LIFE STORAGE. AND ARE THERE ANY, WHERE ARE THE NEAREST RESIDENCES? ARE THERE ANY NEARBY? THERE'S A, THERE'S A RENTAL PROPERTY ON THE CORNER HERE AND THEN THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS DON'T START TILL HERE AND GO SOUTH ON BURKE PARKWAY. WELL, IS IT'S LIKE A RESIDENCE, LIKE A, [00:45:01] A HOUSE THAT SOMEBODY THAT RUNS UP. YEAH. ACTUALLY ONE OF THE PARKWAY HAS SOME HOUSES OF THE ONE, THE PEP BOYS IS THERE. SO IT'S LIKE BEHIND OUT PEP BOYS, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S AN OFFICE BUILDING ON THE CORNER OF DORCHESTER AND MCKINLEY AND THERE'S A RENTAL PROPERTY ON THE CORNER OF DORCHESTER AND BURKE. IT'S ACTUALLY OWNED BY ONE OF THE LABORATORIES ALSO. YEAH. THIS, THIS SLICE HERE, IT'S ACTUALLY THESE, BUT NOT, IT'S NOT A PARCEL ACTUALLY. UTILITY EASEMENT GOES THERE FOR THE SAND STORE. ONE YOU'RE REFERRING HAVE LAPTOPS. SO IT'S KIND OF SILLY FOR ME TO BRING HERE . NO, IT HELPS PAPER STREET. THE MINES. YEAH. LOOKS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE STREET, BUT THERE'S NO STREET. THIS MORE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. THE OTHER END IS VERY RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. THIS AREA IS ALL ZONED C TWO, ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. ALRIGHT, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED. THE WAREHOUSE FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT. , THIS IS WHAT THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS. SO THE ROAD FRONTAGE PARKWAY, LIKE THE INTERCONNECTION IS WORK PARKWAY AND THE ROAD, THE ROAD FRONT FRONTAGE. IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT THERE? RIGHT. AND THE ECHO ROAD ACTUALLY ENDS HERE. SO WE DO HAVE TO EXTEND IT A LITTLE BIT TO GET TO OUR SIDE. WHAT TYPE VEHICLES ARE GONNA BE TYPICALLY COMING INTO AND NOT THIS FACILITY? UH, MAINLY BOX TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS, CONSTRUCTION TYPE VEHICLES. YOU MAY, MAY GET LANDSCAPE COMPANY TENANTS THAT MAY USE THESE. SO SMALLER VEHICLES. A TRAILERS NOT, YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE EXTRA TRAILERS. THIS IS TOWN ROAD RIGHT'S. TOWN ROAD. SO HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT WOULD BE INVOLVED JUST TO CURB, WHAT IS THIS ONE AGAIN? THAT IS THE FRONT OF THEIR EXISTING WAREHOUSE BUILDING. OKAY. AND THE PROPOSED ONES ARE GONNA LOOK THE SAME. SAME RENDER PROPOSED, THE PROPOSED ONES PROPOSING THE SAME COLORS, DIFFERENT COLORS, SAME, SAME COLORS AT THIS POINT GOING ON THE BOTTOM AND THE METAL SIGNING ABOVE THAT. THE METAL WORKS. SO THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A SPEC BUILDING OR IS THERE GONNA BE SOME, YOU KNOW, NOW, UH, IT'S, IT'S SPEC OTHER THAN THE 12,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON THE OTHER END. RIGHT. UH, THE LABORATORIES MAY TAKE THAT AS THEIR OWN AND, AND UTILIZE THAT FOR STORAGE. BY THE WAY, AS AN ASIDE, ON THE FIRST PROJECT WHERE YOU POINTED TO THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OF, OF BENDERSON'S PROPOSAL THERE OFF OF CAMP ROAD THERE, ALL THOSE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY LIBERATORY. THAT'S JUST NORTH OF THE, UH, BENDERSON PROJECT. RIGHT. IT JUST REMINDED ME WHEN THEY LIBERATORY THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ALL LIBERATORY PROPERTIES. ONE, YOU ASK ABOUT WHO OWNS THOSE, RIGHT? SO YOU NEED ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING, APPROPRIATE STORM WATER. RIGHT? AGAIN, WE'RE HERE FOR, WE'RE HERE FOR SKETCH PLAN ONCE. WE'LL LEARN THAT STUFF OUT AS WE PROCEED THROUGH ENGINEERING. BUT YES, THE WHOLE SITE SLOPE THIS DIRECTION. SO PUT OUR SOMEWHERE DOWN THE, DOWN THE, YOU KNOW, FAR END AT THE LOW SPOT AND IT'LL ALL BE DESIGNED IN THE COURT OF DC AND TOWN REQUIREMENTS. THE PLANNING BOARD COULD TAKE ONE ACTION TONIGHT. UM, SEEKER SAYS YOU TRY TO START THE SEEKER PROCESS AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. WE TYPICALLY DO IT AT A SKETCH PLAN PLACE AS LONG AS YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MAJOR CHANGES TO IT. IF YOU WANNA AUTHORIZE US TO DO A SECRET COORDINATOR REVIEW, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ONE. SO NONE ACTION. BUT THERE'S PROBABLY ENOUGH ENTITIES INVOLVED HERE TO MAKE SENSE TO JUST GET A 30 DAY COMMENTS FROM THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES. I'M SURE. CHRIS, YOU'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE WATER AUTHORITY, THE SEWER DISTRICT, ALL THOSE PEOPLE. YEP. THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WILL GET IT PUT ON, ON YOUR TURNAROUND EXTENSION OF THE ROAD AND, AND CURB CUT ANY OTHER AGENCY. DC WILL DO THE STANDARD ONE DEPARTMENT DOES DO OT OR THE THROUGHWAY AUTHORITY. DO YOU WANNA COMMENT? WELL, WE'LL SEND IT TO THE DT AND THE THROUGHWAY AUTHORITY, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY FAR ENOUGH AWAY. THEY MAY NOT COMMENT. YEAH, THAT'S GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU'RE RIGHT. THEY'RE ACTUALLY USING UTILITY PARCEL HERE IN BETWEEN US AND THE THROUGHWAY THAT'S OWNED BY THE NATIONAL GRID. AND ISEC WHAT'S ON, WHAT'S ON THIS SITE? THAT WAS PART OF THE PARCEL NOW. UH, IT'S VACANT. YOU CAN SEE ON THE AERIAL. AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A BUNCH OF BLACK HAWK AND STONE, THAT KIND OF MCKINLEY PARK END SITE AT THE TIME WHEN THEY OWNED BOTH PARCELS. MM-HMM . KIND OF SPILLED OVER ON THE, SO IT'S LIKE BEHIND THE MCKINLEY PARK, IT'S BEHIND THE PREVIOUS MCKINLEY PARKING END. CORRECT. THERE'S, THIS IS THE EDGE [00:50:01] OF THE BLACKTOP. SO JUST LEAF, WHAT'S THE ACCESS TO THE NEW BUILDINGS? HOW DO YOU, HOW YOU GET THEM? UH, FROM BURKE PARKWAY. OH, RIGHT. YOU'RE GONNA EXTEND THERE. SNOW PLOW TURNAROUND. WE HAVE A, WE HAVE AN EASEMENT HERE TO ALLOW SNOW PLOW TURNAROUND. CURRENTLY BURKE PARKWAY JUST ENDS HERE AND THERE IS NO TURNAROUND. OKAY. SO WE'LL BE BETTERING THE SITUATION BY STANDING THERE. SO LAST YEAR WE HAD LIFE STORAGE AT THIS MCKINLEY, THE OLD, THE CATERING VENUE AND WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING OF, THERE'S ON PAPER THERE'S LIKE A STREET THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE THAT ISN'T ACTUALLY THERE. CORRECT. SO WE WENT THROUGH WITH LIFE STORAGE, THE ISSUE WITH THE FRONTAGE AND THEN THE, THE SETBACKS WHEN THERE WAS WHERE THE ROAD IS, THERE WAS OTHER LARGE PROJECTS PROPOSED ON THESE SITES AND WHATEVER THERE WAS, I WON'T GET INTO THE LARGE PROJECT ROAST. THERE WAS THE IDEA THAT BUR PARKWAY WOULD BE CONSIDERED ALL THE WAY UP AND THEN TIED INTO THE, TO THE ROAD TO THE NORTH. RIGHT. UM, BECAUSE IT IS A PAPER STREET AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE, AND THAT WAS FOR A VERY LARGE PROJECT THAT WAS, I THINK THERE WAS CONTEMPLATION IN THE PASS TO DO A, UH, AN ARENA ICE SKATING ARENA OR SOMETHING OR OTHER. AND THAT WAS THE PLAN THEN WAS YOU'D HAVE TO EXTEND THAT ROAD TO MAKE A FULL, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENCE. THE PAPER STREET EXISTED BEFORE THAT PROJECT CAME IN FRONT OF YOU. YEAH, THE PAPER STREET'S EXISTED FOR, FOR AS LONG AS I'VE, THE PAPER STREET'S PROBABLY BEEN THERE FOR 40, 50 YEARS. BUT THAT'S, IT'S BROKEN NOW BECAUSE BETWEEN HERE AND HERE IS NO LONGER PAPER STREET. RIGHT. UH, DEALLY OWNED BY THIS PROPERTY OWNER. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? SO START THE PROCESS OF A COORDINATED REVIEW. UM, AND WHEN YOU DO PROVIDE THE PACKAGE AND ANALYSIS ON WHAT PARKING AND TRAFFIC THROUGHPUT AND ALL OF THAT MM-HMM . SO CHRIS, YOUR NEXT STEP IS TO SUBMIT A COMPLETE APPLICATION. SO SHOULD WE JUST NOT TABLE IT UNTIL WE, TO ANY PARTICULAR DAY? JUST SAY, WE'LL WAIT FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR COMPLETE APPLICATION OR YOU PARTICIPATE? UH, YEAH. I MEAN YOU COULD TABLE IT TILL, BECAUSE YOU SAID THERE'S NO ROOM ON THE FIRST APRIL MEETING. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE TABLE THE SECOND APRIL MEETING OR INTO MAY. MAY DUE TO THE FIRST MAY MEETING. FIRST MAY MEETING, YEAH. ALRIGHT. BUT THAT'S DEPENDENT UPON YOU GETTING A FULL APPLICATION IN THE REQUIRED TIME TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING. OTHERWISE WE'LL TABLE IT. GOT IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO START THE COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR LABORATORY MANAGEMENT AND TO TABLE LABORATORY MANAGEMENT TO MAY 3RD. SECOND. MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. OKAY, THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BRUCE MONTON REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 3 6 4 8 OLD LAKEVIEW ROAD. HELLO EVERYONE. HELLO RICHARD. FREE. I'M REPRESENTING BRUCE MONTON. THIS IS NOT NEARLY AS COMPLICATED. I HOPE AS THE TWO THAT YOU'VE SEEN . THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY IT'S A TOTAL, I THINK IT'S 5.66 ACRES AT THIS POINT. BRUCE LIVES ON THE PROPERTY AT 36 48. UH, THE, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION. WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, I THINK MORE ON THE WEST SIDE OF ABOUT 3.2 ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE. I THINK BRUCE WOULD RETAIN ROUGHLY 2.2 ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE. UH, THE PLAN IS THAT THAT PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO A CONTRACT OF SALE CONTINGENT UPON SUBDIVISION BEING LIFTED. UM, I'M NOT SURE. BOTH LOTS MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR RA. YES. SO THERE'D BE NO, UH, NO ZONING VARIANCES. WELL, THE, LET ME AMEND WHAT I JUST SAID. UH, WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION. I SPOKE WITH SARAH AND WITH TIM REGARDING IT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ISSUE REGARDING, UH, THE FRONTAGE. AND I THINK IN A DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH TIM, HE SAID THAT, UH, TECHNICALLY MAYBE THERE WOULD BE, UH, IT MIGHT NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE. HOWEVER, THIS WAS LAID OUT SO LONG AGO THAT IT WOULD BE AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY BECAUSE THE FRONT BECAUSE THE FRONTAGES ARE ONE. YEAH. YEAH. AND HE SAID FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, NO, IT WAS NECESSARY. AND I'M SORRY I WAS DOING THAT 30. THERE WAS AN INTERPRETATION BY THE BILL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT BECAUSE THE NONCONFORMITIES EXISTED PREVIOUSLY FOR THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE ONTO THE HIGHWAY, THAT HE THOUGHT THAT THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DIVIDE THE PROPERTY. AND WITH THOSE NONCONFORMITIES, YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL A HUNDRED FOOT FRONTAGE THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE ONE ZONE, WHICH IS THE RA. THE RA, THEY DON'T HAVE THE FULL HUNDRED FOOT. THEY DON'T, NO. IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE, I NEED TO PULL UP THE PARCEL VIEWER, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PARCEL IS LARGELY LANDLOCKED AND THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE EXISTING DRIVEWAY GOING BACK IN THERE. OR IS THERE IT LOOKS LIKE A CREEK BED. IT GOES TO BOTH SIDES. OKAY. BOTH [00:55:01] THE OTHER ONE COMES OUT THE OTHER SIDE. LEMME GET THE LAND OUT. HOLD ON. YEAH, I HAVE A PLAN. IT'S NOT CLEAR ROAD FRONTAGE AND THE ACCESS HERE BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE, CORRECT? YES. NO, THERE, THERE ISN'T. THERE'S A HOUSE ON ONE, ONE. YES. THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T EXIST AND THE OTHER ONE IS JUST AN EMPTY ONE. THAT'S WHAT I'M, THIS IS, THIS IS THE EXISTING LOT ALL OVER HERE BREAKING THIS INTO THIS. AND THEN THIS LOT WOULD'VE THIS ONLY 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE EXISTING, EXISTING FRONTAGE. THIS HERE, IT'S THIS ONE. WHERE AND WHERE'S THE OTHER ROAD FRONTAGE? WHAT'S THAT? WHERE IS FRONT TO THE ROAD? THERE'S SEPARATE PARCELS HERE. WHOLE LOT. SO WHERE, WHERE DOES THIS PARCEL HIT THE FRONTAGE? WHERE DOES THAT, I GUESS WHAT I'M IS LIKE, IS THIS 70? THIS, IS THIS THE R ONE? IS THIS, THIS IS ALSO OWNED BY MOCK. YES. SO IT, SO IT CONNECTS ON THE AREA THAT'S OWNED OUR ONE. IS THIS A SEPARATE LOT? THAT'S A SEPARATE LOT. IT'S SEPARATE, I THINK. YES. THIS IS A SEPARATE LOT. THERE IS. YEAH. THOSE, THOSE ARE SEPARATE. I THINK THAT'S, LEMME TAKE IT BACK. BRUCE HAS THESE TWO. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THESE ALL. OH OKAY. SEE I THOUGHT THE R ONE IN THE FRONT WAS PART THESE LOTS. IT WAS A WEIRD LOT THAT HAD ZONING BECAUSE THERE'S NO FRONTAGE ON THAT 25 FEET RIGHT HERE ON THE OTHER ONE FOR THIS LOT, THERE'S 25 FEET OF FOUR INCH FOR THIS LOT. THERE'S 69 FEET OF, IT'S 25 FEET. BUT IT'S NOT ON OLD LAKEVIEW. IT'S ON, IT'S ON WHAT ROAD KIND OF. AND THE RA ZONING DISTRICT, THIS IS A SPLIT ZONING TOO. THE RA ZONING DISTRICT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE HUNDRED FEET OF FRONTAGE. IT'S, IT'S A FLAG LINE. ZI INSPECTOR SAID HE INTERPRETS IT AS AN EXISTING NONCONFORMITY THAT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM OVER HERE. THE SAME THING. THIS IS THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT SITS ON THIS PIECE OFF THE FRONT IS 25 FEET ON LAKEVIEW ROAD. SO, RIGHT. I GUESS WHAT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS PROJECT, LIKE I CAN SEE THIS ON THE TEXT MAP AND I CAN SEE IT ON THE AREA, RIGHT? BUT I WOULDN'T, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE COMING OUT AND WHERE THE, THE NEW DRIVEWAY WOULD'VE TO COME OUT HERE. SO I WANNA SEE THAT IN CONTEXT, RIGHT? IS IT BETWEEN THOSE HOUSES? IS IT THESE, IS IT THIS LITTLE SPACE BETWEEN THESE TWO HOUSES? AND IF SO, LIKE WHAT'S THE DISTANCE THEN TO THIS HOUSE? FIVE FEET. THIS IS 25 FEET. BUT WHAT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THAT MUCH? WHAT'S THE DISTANCE FROM HERE TO THIS HOUSE? HERE TO THIS HOUSE. AND THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE HERE. SO THE DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. SO, AND THEN ANOTHER HOUSE, THE PLAN WOULD BE FOR ANOTHER HOUSE. YEAH. I HAVE TO SIT WITH A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. IT IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE HERE. I, IF I WAS ADJOINING THESE, I'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING A DRIVEWAY COMING OUT BETWEEN THESE TWO. HIS ARGUMENT IS THAT THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY, BUT I BELIEVE, I'LL GIVE YOU MY OPINION, BUT I CAN'T GIVE MY OPINION ONLY, I'M NOT A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT ONCE YOU GO TO SPLIT THE LOT, THIS NONCONFORMITY GOES AWAY. YOU HAVE TO MEET THE ZONING OF THE TOWN AND THEN NEW YOU WOULD'VE TO GET A HUGE VARIANCE FOR THIS. THE NEW, THAT'S MY OPINION WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT A SINGLE FAMILY HAS LOT IT SOUNDS LIKE. SO AND RUN. I'M SORRY WE'RE TALKING SO MANY THINGS SO QUICKLY. UM, RUN ME THROUGH THE ZONING AGAIN. SO THE EXISTING ZONING IS R ONE? NO, IT'S RA RA RA ON, RIGHT ON A PORTION OF IT. RIGHT. SO THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE REQUEST IS TO SUBDIVIDE AND REZONE. IT'S JUST A SUBDIVIDE. SO THEY'LL STAY RA AND THAT'S WHERE WE RUN INTO THE NON-CONFORMING USE BECAUSE RA REQUIRES A HUNDRED FOOT OF FRONTAGE AND THIS HAS 25 ON ONE SIDE AND 70 ON THE OTHER. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? YES SIR. OKAY. BOTH WILL BE NON-CONFORMING. THE RA ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES A HUNDRED FEET OF FRONTAGE. YOU CAN HAVE A FLAG LOT. THE TOWN ALLOWS FLAG LOTS. THEY HAVE A REQUIRED FRONTAGE AND A REQUIRED LOT WIDTH. THE LOT REQUIRED FRONTAGE IN AN RA DISTRICT IS A HUNDRED FEET. THE REQUIRED LOT WIDTH, WHERE YOU BUILD THE HOUSE IS 200 FEET. SO ESSENTIALLY YOU GET FLAG LOTS. THIS AREA, BOTH OF THESE ARE, WELL RIGHT NOW THEY'RE EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES, BUT BY BREAKING THIS LOT, THIS LOT WOULD ONLY HAVE 25 FEET OF FRONT VARIANCE. AND THIS LOT WOULD ALSO NEED A VARIANCE. BUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SAID THOSE ARE EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES. I MEAN I CAN SEE IT FOR THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY GOT THE DRIVEWAY. WHAT'S THAT? I CAN SEE IT AS AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY FOR THAT'S ALREADY GOT THE DRIVEWAY. THAT BUT THIS NEW LOT YOU'RE CREATING WITH ONLY 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE. I'M SORRY TO SAY, BUT I, AGAIN, I'LL HAVE TO TALK OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. I, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU COULD SAY IT'S AN [01:00:01] EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY HOUSE. HOUSE, HOUSE. PHIL, WE'RE CALLING IT AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, NO OFFENSE, I, I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE THAT AS A DRIVEWAY. IN FACT, THE ONE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE WIBBLY. IT, IT'S LIKE A LITTLE WIGGLY PATH. LOOKS MORE LIKE LITTLE CREEK BED THAN DRIVEWAY. LIKE I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE THE, IS THERE A DISTANCE? IS THAT CUT? IS THERE AN EXISTING CURB CUT ON THE BLOCK? THAT'S HOW THEY GET TO THE HOUSE. IT EXISTS, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO. THIS IS OVER HERE. NO, NO. THE ONE ON THE LAKE VIEW ROAD, THE FLAG CLOT OVER HERE. NO, SHE, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER SEE THAT'S WHERE I NEED CONTEXT BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT THIS ADDRESS IN, THIS IS WHAT COMES UP. SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY ON OLD LAKEY ROAD. I'M STRUGGLING. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS IN SOME MATERIAL CONTEXT BECAUSE I THINK I'M JUST STRUGGLING TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE THEY SHOW THE ADJOINING THINGS. HERE'S THIS GUY'S DRIVEWAY. IS THIS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE? AND THEN THIS HERE IS ALSO A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY COMING IN HERE AND THAT'S ONTO LAKEVIEW TWO CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. THERE IS STEVENS. THIS, THIS IS LAKEVIEW. SO THIS IS THE OTHER ONE? NO, NO, THAT'S NOT, IS THAT IT? I DON'T THINK LAKEVIEW, I THINK IT'S THIS ONE OVER HERE. I THOUGHT THIS IS WHAT GOOGLE TELLS ME. I THINK 36 48. I THINK THAT ONE ONE RIGHT HERE. I DUNNO WHAT DRIVEWAY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE DRIVEWAY THAT, THAT EXISTS. WHERE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT. YEAH, THIS COULD CONCRETE AND THIS CONCRETE. SO THERE'D BE A DRIVEWAY. THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING CURB CUT? NO, THERE'S NO EXISTING CURB CUT OVER HERE. THE CURB CUT FOR THE HOUSE IS OVER HERE ON OLD LAKE. THAT CUT AND WHERE OH, IS IT THIS EXISTING HOUSE? SO, SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN HARDSHIP? IS THAT THEY'RE NOT, MAYBE IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP, BUT IT'S, I WAS IN THE WRONG CORNER. WE'RE CREATING GOT IT. YEP, YOU GOT IT. SORRY. SO I, THEY SENT IT HERE, BECAUSE THAT WAS HIS INTERPRETATION. WE DO HAVE TO TALK TO HIM BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING THE SAME QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING IS THAT YES, NONCONFORMITIES EXIST, BUT ONCE YOU'VE TAKE AN ACTION TO SUBDIVIDE OR WHATEVER, THOSE NONCONFORMITIES GO AWAY AND YOU HAVE TO MEET THE ZONING OF THE TOWN. SO THIS LOT IS GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT ONLY HAS 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE IF THEY GO GET A VARIANCE. IT'S A HUGE VARIANCE. AND I'M SURE, SURE. THESE TWO NEIGHBORS AREN'T GONNA BE HAPPY ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY GOING. SO THEY VARIANCE BEFORE OR AFTER THE SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? DO THEY GET THE VARIANCE BEFORE OR AFTER THE SUBDIVISION? THEY, THEY, THEY COME HERE FIRST, BUT THEN THEY HAVE TO COME AND GET, GET THE VARIANCE BEFORE WE ALLOW THE ANCE NOT SUB. RIGHT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE JEN, IF I'M HEARING DREW CORRECTLY, THE CODE ENFORCER IS SAYING THAT THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE CARRIES OVER WITH THE VARIANCE OR CARRIES OVER WITH THE, THE SUBDIVISION AND THEREFORE WE DON'T NEED A VARIANCE. RIGHT. AND DREW IS SUGGESTING OTHERWISE, I I HAVE NO OFFICIAL POWERS, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IT KIND OF, KIND OF JUST CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. IT CAN'T BE AN EXISTING USE IF THERE'S NOT A DRIVEWAY THERE. YEAH. SO THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY TO THIS ONE. HE'S SAYING IT'S A NON-CONFORMING LOT OF LA RECORDS. THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING BEFORE SUBDIVIDING. RIGHT. BEFORE SUBDIVIDING. I'M SAYING AFTER YOU'VE SUBDIVIDED, IT'S NO LONGER A NON-CONFORMING LOT. WE'RE CREATING A LOT WITH ONLY 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE AND THEREFORE NEEDS A VARIANCE. YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE ZBA BEFORE? , SO IT'S NONCONFORMING BEFORE THE SUBDIVISION. RIGHT. EXISTING NON-CONFORMING LAW OF RECORD. OKAY. RIGHT. ONE WALL, TWO NONCONFORMING LOT. THAT'S MY, OKAY, SO THEN WE SUB DIVIDE, WE'D HAVE TWO THAT DON'T CONFORM, BUT THEN THEY WOULD NEED A VARIANCE. YEAH. AND I'M SURE IT WOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT. PUT THE VARIANCE ON THIS LOT. IS THAT, DID I JUST UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECT? NO, HANG A SECOND. HANG ON. LEMME I YEP, GO AHEAD. WE'RE DIGGING A DEEPER HOLE HERE. YEP, GO AHEAD. HOW IS THE LOT, THE EXISTING LOT NON-CONFORMING? IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE IN FRONTAGE THE EXISTING LOT EXISTING LOCK, IF YOU ADD THEM FIVE FEET, 25 FEET HERE, BECAUSE THIS MAN'S DRIVEWAY IS 70 FEET ACROSS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. RIGHT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE ADDS ANOTHER 25. SO WITHOUT THE SECOND LOT, THE, THE CURRENT PIECE OF PROPERTY, YES, IT IS NONCONFORMING, LOT OF RECORD AS DEFINED IN THE CODE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE NONCONFORMITY IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH. 25. NO, 96 IT'S, BUT, BUT, BUT CAN WE COUNT, LIKE, I GUESS IF THE BOUNDARY LINE IS HERE, LIKE DO WE COUNT THIS NON CURB CUT, GRASSY PATCH AS AN EXISTING 25 FEET WHEN HIS DRIVEWAY IS 70? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FRONT. IT DOESN'T, OKAY, THAT'S FAIR. IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S AGAIN, NOW IF, JUST TO GIVE YOU, IT EVEN COMPLICATE THIS MORE, IF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER CHANGES HIS DECISION HERE AND IT WOULD REQUIRE VARIANCE, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT VARIANCE. THERE IS SUCH A THING AS, AND I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WHATEVER, WE'VE ONLY DONE IT ONCE HERE BEFORE, IS YOU CAN GET THE TOWN BOARD TO CREATE, CALL THIS AN OPEN DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH WOULD ALLOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR CLIENT [01:05:01] WOULD LIKE THAT, WOULD ALLOW TWO DRIVEWAYS, TWO, TWO HOUSES OFF OF THE ONE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. IS HE THE FINAL WORD ON IT, SIR? WHAT'S THAT? IS, IS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THE FINAL WORD ON IT? HE'S THE FINAL WORD. HE SENT IT HERE. HE SENT IT HERE. BUT WE CAN QUESTION THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. I MEAN, UH, I AM QUESTIONING THE DECISION WAS IT WOULDN'T BE HERE IF HE DOESN'T GRANT THE VARIANCE. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S JUST A QUESTION. YEAH. UH, I'M GONNA QUESTION HIM UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE I, I, I, AND AGAIN, JEN, I, I I, I, YOU KNOW, I USUALLY TRY TO GO ALONG WITH THE GO FORTH PROPER DECISION, BUT I KNOW WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SUBDIVIDE A LOT, THERE'S NO EXISTING NON-CONFORMING THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET THE ZONING OF THE PANEL. AND EVEN IF IT'S EXISTING NON-CONFORMANCE, HE'S GOTTA GET TWO. HE'S GOTTA GET VARIANCE IN THE DRIVEWAY. SO WE TWO NONCONFORMANCES INSTEAD. ONE NONCONFORMANCE, WHICH YOU THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE I DID ONE, ONE EXISTING. WELL, YEAH, THEN YOU CREATE A SECOND. IT DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD NEED A DRIVEWAY. SO I GUESS, AND THAT WAS THE ISSUE THAT I ADDRESSED WITH HIM. HE BELIEVED THAT IT WAS OKAY. YES. RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. HE SAID, HE TOLD ME HIS INTERPRETATION WAS BASED ON THIS EXISTING DRIVEWAY. I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY NOT A PROBLEM. NEW ONE IS REALLY A NARROW 71 OF THE SIDE YARD TO THE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TALKED TO THOSE TWO OF PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT I, I DOUBT THAT THEY WOULD GO ALONG MERRILY WITHOUT ADDING A DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THERE PROPERTY, THERE A SIDE YARD SUBJECT. I DON'T BELIEVE SO THIS IS, TRY TO DO A ONE FOOT SUBDIVISION, SORRY, OR WHATEVER. OKAY. SO THE DIRECTION, I KNOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE A BUSY AGENDA. THE DIRECTION IS WE QUESTIONED THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE. OBVIOUSLY IF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SAYS, NO, THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH A MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. I WOULD PLACE THEM ON THE AGENDA WHENEVER YOU CAN NEXT, AND WE'LL PROCEED WITH IT. IF THE CHANGES ISN'T INTERPRETATION, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS. I, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY WANNA TALK TO THESE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE GONNA GRANT A VARIANCE IF THESE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS COME AND YELL AND SCREAM ABOUT IT. IT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY LARGE VARIANCE. MAGNITUDE OF VARIANCE. SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T THEY GET THE VARIANCE BEFORE WE DECIDE ON THE SUBDIVISION? RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. WE RIGHT. BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO GET THIS, YOU'RE QUESTIONING THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. BUT WHY SHOULD IT COME BACK TO US IF, IF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SAYS NOT EXISTING ON, WELL, WHICHEVER HE SAYS, IT'S STILL GONNA NEED A VARIANCE. SO SHOULDN'T IT GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND WORK BACK TO US? YES, YOU'VE SEEN IT FIRST. AND, AND SO AS LONG AS IT CAME HERE, FIRST YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I REALIZE IT'S AN ISSUE. SO LEMME TALK TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. SO NOW I'LL TABLE IT FOR THE JOURNEY YOU HAVE AHEAD AND, UH, BY THE TIME YOU SEE US AGAIN, ALL THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE BRUCE MONTON SECOND MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. FINAL ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS DATE OF DEVELOPMENT LLC REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO BE LOCATED ON SOUTHWESTERN AND ROGERS ROAD. I'M SORRY, BILL, WHEN WERE WE ABLE THAT TO A SPECIFIC MEETING? NO, NO. GOTTA GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT'S. GOTTA DECIDE AND THE ZONING'S GOTTA DO WHAT THEY GOTTA DO. IT LOOKS LIKE WE NOW HAVE A LAPTOP FROM THIS. I HAVE A LAPTOP SO MUCH, UH, CHRIS WOOD WITH KERIN WOOD DESIGN, WE'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR PROJECT. ALSO WITH ME IS DAVID BRIAN BURKE, UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. UH, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, BUT I DID HAND OUT, UH, AN AERIAL. IT'S ON THE CORNER OF ROGERS IN SOUTHWESTERN. IT'S THE LAST REMAINING PARCEL THAT WE'VE DONE A COUPLE PROJECTS FOR THE EAGLE RIDGE DEPARTMENTS TO THE WEST AND THE PEOPLE INC. PROJECT IN THE NORTH, WHICH, UH, BOTH PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EAGLE RIDGE DEPARTMENTS IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, TWO IDENTICAL BUILDINGS, BOTH FOUR STORIES, 13,295 FOOT SQUARE, UH, SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT, WHICH EQUATES TO 53,000 SQUARE FOOT TOTAL APPROXIMATELY IN EACH BUILDING. UH, THEY'RE MIXED USE. FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE COMMERCIAL. UPPER FLOOR IS OUR APARTMENTS, 30 APARTMENTS IN EACH BUILDING. TOTAL OF 60. WE HAVE 174 A PARKING SPACES AND AS [01:10:01] JEFF HAD MENTIONED, AS PART OF THE BRIARWOOD, PUD. AND UH, IF YOU GUYS RECALL FROM THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WHEN WE CAME IN FOR THIS, THIS AREA WAS DESIGNATED FOR A RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TYPE USE ON THIS CORNER. AND WE FEEL THAT THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING COMPLY WITH THAT. UH, ACCESS-WISE, WE'RE GONNA BE USING THE SAME DRIVEWAY THAT THE EAGLE RIDGE APARTMENTS USES AND THEY WILL HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE ABILITY TO GO OUT THROUGH THE PEOPLE INC. TO ROGERS ROAD. AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE A ROUNDABOUT THING OR WHAT'S THAT? IT'S GONNA BE A ROUNDABOUT WAY TO GET OUT TO ROGERS ROAD. ROGERS ROAD? YEAH. WELL THE DIRECT WAY WOULD BE, I WAS GONNA SAY GO THROUGH BRIARWOOD COUNTRY CLUB AND OUT TO, THROUGH THE BRIARWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, ACCESS TO ROGERS ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S AN EASEMENT. ALRIGHT. RECIPROCAL TO BOTH, BOTH PROJECTS. SO WHEN YOU SAY COMMERCIAL USE, WHAT? COMMERCIAL USE? RETAIL RESTAURANT. SO TENANTS RIGHT NOW, RETAIL RE RESTAURANT OFFICE ESSENTIALLY. UM, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY POTENTIAL TENANTS YET. YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER IN THE PROCESS AND THEY CAN MARKET IT, UH, THEY'LL PROBABLY GET SOME USE. THEY, THEY DID GET SOME INTEREST ON STANDALONE SINGLE TYPE USERS DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS. WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A, A BETTER, A BETTER USE FOR THIS CORNER. SO NO DRIVE-THROUGHS PROPOSED WITH WHAT? THERE NOTHING CURRENTLY PROPOSED AS A DRIVE-THROUGH. AND ANY PARTICULAR TYPE OF TENANTS CATEGORY OF TENANTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? FOR THE COMMERCIAL? NO, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. YEAH, THEY'RE THE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS SIMILAR TO THE EAGLE RIDGE. UH, JUST GIVES 'EM A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, TYPE OF UNIT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE IN A MULTI-STORY BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO STANDALONE APARTMENT BUILDING. OKAY. ELEVATIONS OR WE DID SUBMIT, I BELIEVE WE DID SUBMIT ELEVATIONS I DIDN'T BRING WITH ME TONIGHT. OKAY. WE DID SUBMIT LANDSCAPE PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY, BOTH TO SCREEN THE PARKING FROM SOUTHWESTERN AND ALSO A BUFFER BETWEEN OUR PROJECT AND THE PEOPLE IN THE PROJECT THE NORTH. SO YOU GUYS KNOW THIS IS ANOTHER BRIARWOOD PROJECT, SO, UM, I JUST MADE A COPY OF WHAT I MADE FOR YOU FOR PRIOR CLIFF. SO SOME OF THIS, NOT THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT TALK, BUT IT'S THE SAME. THE FIRST DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE IS A, IS IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PUD APPROVED PUD PLAN AND THEN B, YOUR SECRET DECISION, IS IT ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS OR CAN WE ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON IT? SO AGAIN, THE SAME ISSUES AS PUD, I HAVE A COPY OF THE FINDINGS IN HERE, WHICH IS ONE PAGE, AND I HAVE A COPY OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PLANS THAT WERE SHOWN OF THE PUD. MOST OF THIS, MOST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT THEY CALL, THERE'S A COUPLE ON THE MAPS WAS OLD TIME OLD TOWN? OLD TOWN, OLD TOWN OR WHATEVER. AND THERE WAS A PROPOSAL OF WHAT? GASOLINE STATION AND A RETAIL STORE DOWN HERE. OLD TIME VILLAGE FARM, YEAH. WHATEVER. RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, THE FIRST INTERPRETATION IS IT IS IN ACCORDANCE. IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S IN ACCORDANCE OF THE PUD PLAN, WE GOTTA SEND IT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD WHO HAS AMENDED THE PUD PAYMENT IN THE CLASS. REMEMBER WE AMENDED IT JUST RECENTLY FOR ONE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS AND WHATEVER. BUT THAT'S THE FIRST INTERPRETATION YOU HAVE TO MAKE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS, IF WE GET PAST THAT, OBVIOUSLY THE FINDINGS ARE USELESS AS WE KNOW, WHICH SOMEHOW YOU GOTTA MAKE A SECRET DECISION. WE'VE BEEN MAKING NEGATIVE DECLARATIONS IF WE DON'T THINK IT HAS A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO DO A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. SO IT'S THE SAME DECISION YOU'VE HAD ON BRIARCLIFF PEOPLE INC. AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER PROJECT IN THE NORTH? EAGLE RIDGE? EAGLE RIDGE, THANK YOU. SO YOU'VE HAD, YOU HAVE AN EXPERIENCE, BUT WE'VE HAD FOUR OF THESE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. WE HAD THE TOWN BOARD A AMEND THE P THE ONE WAS AMENDMENT TO THE P UUD BECAUSE EVERYBODY AGREED IT WASN'T WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED IN THAT AREA. THIS IS KIND OF INTERPRETATIONAL, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT, WELL WE DID GET A COUPLE OF THESE PARCELS REZONED TO P UUD. RIGHT, RIGHT. ED THE PUD RIGHT. THAT LITTLE SECTION. WE SHOULD GET THAT OUT TOO. HE'S RIGHT. THE TOWN BOARD BOARD INCORPORATED THIS INTO THE PUD RECENTLY, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. SO BASICALLY THE CORNER, THE BOTTOM. YEAH. SO THAT'S OLD TIME PLAZA. AND THIS NEW IS IN A NEW PART OF THE PUD. THE OLD TIME PLAZA ON, IN THE PUD SKETCH WAS KIND OF IN THIS LOCATION CONCLUDING THIS CORNER. UM, WHEN WE DID THESE TWO PROJECTS, THEY DETERMINED THEY DID COMPLY WITH THE PUD PLAN. AND I THINK GIVEN THAT THERE WAS NO COMMERCIAL IN THIS PIECE PORTIONS AND THERE ISN'T A PUD THAT THIS COMMERCIAL WILL KIND OF FINISH OFF THIS CORNER AND MAKE IT FULLY COMPLIANT WITH PD FINDINGS. I'LL GET THE, AND I APOLOGIZE, I PROBABLY SHOULD GET THE MEETING MINUTES FOR WHEN THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THIS BEING ADDED IN THE PUD. I FORGET WHAT THEY SAID IT WOULD BE. I THINK WE SAID WHAT WAS GONNA BE ALLOWED THERE. IT WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT RIGHT. COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT. SO AND AGAIN, THERE'S INTERPRETATION THAT THIS, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME INTERPRETATION THAT IT, THAT IT FITS INTO THE OVERALL PUD [01:15:01] PLAN. YEAH, THEY, IF THEY SAID SOMETHING LIKE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL WHEN THEY ADDED IT, RIGHT. BUT THEY ONLY DID THIS SMALL PIECE. THE REST OF IT WAS PARKED. THIS WAS, I THINK ALL THIS OVER HERE WAS OLD TIME. THERE, THERE WAS TWO, THERE WAS TWO INDIVIDUAL PARCELS HERE THAT AT THE TIME WEREN'T OWNED BY THE SAME CURRENT OWNER. SO THERE WAS OWN C ONE OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. SO WE INCORPORATED, BUT I'LL GET YOU THE RESOLUTION FOR WHAT THE TOWN BOARD. DID YOU, WELL NOT YOU, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD SAW THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO, MADE A RECOMMENDATION, THE TOWN BOARD THEY INCORPORATED INTO THE PD, BUT I JUST CAN'T WISH I GET YOU THE MEETING MINUTES OF WHAT THEY ENVISION WHEN THEY INCORPORATED INTO THE PPD. SO HOW MANY BEDROOMS ARE THESE APARTMENTS? THE EXPECTED OCCUPANCY? UH, IT'LL BE A MIX OF ONE AND TWO. THEY DETERMINED EXACTLY HOW MANY ONES AND TWOS. SO 30 AND OKAY. AND THERE'S 60. THERE'S 60 ALTOGETHER. AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES AGAIN? 1 74. 1 74. I GUESS SOME SORT OF BACKUP ON HOW YOU DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF PARKING, WHAT THE RATIONALE WAS FOR THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AS WELL AS HOW THAT THEN, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING WHO'S LIVING THERE, YOU COULD HAVE BUSINESSES WITH CUSTOMERS AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE PARKING AT HOME. SO SOME SORT OF A RIGHT. AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT MIXED USE IS, IS SOMETIMES AS OPPOSED TO JUST STRAIGHT UP ONE OR THE OTHER, IS THERE IS A OFFSET IN THE TIMES. MOST OF THE TIME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A, SOMETHING THAT OPERATES UP MOST OF THE TIME DURING THE DAY AND CLOSES AT NIGHTTIME, LIKE AN OFFICE, THAT PARKING DEMAND'S GONNA BE DURING THE DAY WHEN THE APARTMENT PEOPLE ARE NORMALLY GONE AT WORK. BUT YOU COULD ALSO HAVE A BAKERY AND PEOPLE ARE HOME ON THE WEEKENDS AND GETTING COFFEE AND MM-HMM. SO SOME SORT OF THE NAIL WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE LOGIC WAS, THE PARKING SIZES. I THINK WE'D WANNA SEE THAT. OKAY. SO AGAIN, YOU COULD AUTHORIZE US TO START A SECRET COORDINATOR REVIEW. I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA ESTABLISH THE PLANNING BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY ON THIS AND MAKE SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL, THE 30 DAYS. THE BOARD, WHEN YOU THINK YOU, WHEN I'M BACK, I MEAN, WILL THE 30 DAYS BE YEAH. CLOSE. MAKE A DECISION. RIGHT. WE, WE SUBMITTED BASICALLY A FULL CYCLE APPLICATION. OH. SO WE GET TO WE HAVE THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE NEXT MONTH. YEAH. OH, ALL RIGHT. THEN IT'LL BE 30. IT BE, YEAH, YOU GOT EXTRA. EXTRA. GOT AN EXTRA WEEK. OKAY, SO IT'S NOT FOUR, IT'S FIVE. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS DA PROJECT. I GOTTA GET DIFFERENT NEEDS FROM THE DIFFERENT DATA ONES, UH, TO APRIL 19TH. SECOND. SO MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. SO THAT CONCLUDE OUR WORK SESSION. UH, WELCOME TO THE MARCH 15TH, 2023 MEETING AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD. PLEASE RISE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN JUSTICE. IT WAS PRETTY AWKWARD. PAUSE THERE. WE'RE WAITING FOR DENNIS TO CHIME IN. OKAY. SO, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO NAME TAGS, I'M GONNA LET, UH, THE TWO NEWER MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD INTRODUCE THEMSELVES FOR THE PUBLIC BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS. LET'S START WITH DAN. HI, MY NAME IS DAN SLACK. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T. HI, MY NAME IS CINDY GRONIK. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, AND NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA. ASPEN DENTAL. THEY HAVE ASKED TO BE TABLED, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR HUTTON STREETS 21 LLC REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN. APPROVAL OF A CAR WASH FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 5 3 6 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. GOOD EVENING. [01:20:04] OH, THANK YOU. THIS WAS THE ONE WITH THE, THE AREA THERE IS. SO MY NAME'S GREG JAVI. I'M THE LAW FIRM OF HARRIS BEACH REPRESENTING HUTTON. JASON FROM STONEFIELD. WE FIGURED, UH, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE BEFORE YOU IN THE WORK SESSION, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE SITE PLAN AND SO I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY JUST BE PROFESS JASON WALKED THROUGH 'EM WITH YOU ALL. AND ALSO, UM, SINCE THE WORK SESSION, WE'VE RECEIVED INPUT, UM, ALBEIT SOMEWHAT MINIMUM FROM THE COUNTY, DOT, THE ERIE COUNTY LAW AUTHORITY THROUGH AUTHORITY. AND THOSE COMMENTS HAVE ALSO BEEN INCORPORATED. SO WITH THAT, I THINK I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO JASON AND HE'LL WALK THROUGH THE, THE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS I'VE MADE TO THE CLIENT. GOOD EVENING. SO LITTLE FIRST LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT. UM, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED MOD WASH, CAR WASH APPLICATION. WE DID APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD BACK IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR WHERE WE DID OBTAIN TWO VARIANCES. UM, I WILL GO THROUGH THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE. WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY FLOORS. I GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL SITE LAYOUT. UM, BUT WE DID APPEAR IN FRONT OF THEM ALREADY AND DID OBTAIN THOSE VARIANCES. THE APPLICATION YOU'LL BE SEEING TONIGHT, UM, BESIDES THOSE VARIANCES OBTAINED IS ALL CODE COMPLIANT. UM, AND THEN BACK IN FEBRUARY WE HAD OUR WORK WORKSHOP WITH THE PLANNING BOARD. AND SINCE THEN WE TOOK THAT FEEDBACK, UM, HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES AND ALSO WORKED WITH OUR OUTSIDE AGENCIES IN TERMS OF WORKING TOWARDS THOSE PERMITS, UM, THAT ARE ALSO BE REQUIRED. ONE OF THE KEY ITEMS THAT CAME UP FROM THE WORKSHOP WAS A COORDINATED REVIEW REQUEST, UM, FROM THE BOARD. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES, ONE FROM SDA AND THEN THE OTHER FROM ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, BOTH ACKNOWLEDGING, UM, NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. WE ARE AWAITING RESPONSES FROM ERIE COUNTY SEWER, UM, BELIEVE ERIE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD AS WELL AS THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. BUT OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL RESPONSES TO THE SECRET DETERMINATION, WE HAVE HAD, UM, COORDINATION WITH ALL AGENCIES TO DATE AND HAVE ADDRESSED AT LEAST ONE ROUND OF COMMENTS FROM EACH AGENCY. SO LOOKING AT THE EXHIBIT THAT'S UP, THIS IS OUR AERIAL EXHIBIT. UM, THIS IS JUST AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE EXISTING SITE. YOU CAN SEE OUR SITE OUTLINED IN THE RED TO THE NORTH OF US IS THE EXISTING WALMART SHOPPING CENTER. UM, THAT'S ACROSS SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD. TO THE EAST YOU HAVE THE EXISTING MAVIS AUTO CENTER AND THEN TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. UM, THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. ONE OF THE VARIANCE OR BOTH VARIANCES THAT WE OBTAINED, UM, WAS IN RELATION TO OUR CAR WASH FACILITY TO THESE ACTUAL RESIDENCES. THEN PULL OPEN A COLORIZED. NO. OH NO, WE'RE NOT ON TV. WE SHOULD STILL BE ON AUDIO, RIGHT? BECAUSE AUDIO COME OUTTA HERE. SORRY. THE AUDIO SHOULD BE RIGHT. DON'T TRIP ON THAT. GO BACK ON. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS A COLORIZED VERSION OF OUR SITE PLAN. UM, KIND OF A TOP DOWN VIEW IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN. PLAN DO TRUE NORTH. UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS OUR SITE PLAN AND KIND OF GONNA WALK THROUGH A CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AND KIND OF SOME TYPICAL MOD WASH OPERATIONS, UM, AS WELL AS HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE COMING OUT OF OUR WORKSHOP IN FEBRUARY. SO THERE'S AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY OFF OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. IT'S A FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY THAT WAS PERMITTED BACK IN 2018 AS PART OF THE MAVIS APPROVAL. UM, DURING THAT TIME THERE WAS ALSO A PHASE TWO PART OF THE PROJECT THAT HAD A RETAIL USER ON OUR HOUSE, OUR HALF OF THE PARCEL. UM, AND THE DRIVEWAY DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT RETAIL USER. SO IT'S BEEN PERMITTED, UM, WITH THAT USER IN MIND. UM, IN TERMS OF OUR ACTUAL COORDINATION WITH DOT, WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO THEM, THEY HAVE HAD NO COMMENTS ON OUR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED, BUT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH SOME DRAINAGE COMMENTS WITH THEM. AND AT THIS POINT THERE'S ONE COMMENT THAT'S OUTSTANDING. UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATING APPROVAL FROM THEM SOON. THE ONLY THING, UM, REMAINING ON DOT END IS HIGHWAY. HIGHWAY [01:25:01] WORK PERMITS FOR OUR UTILITY CONNECTIONS. THAT'LL BE FOR OUR, OUR ELECTRIC WATER AND GAS CONNECTIONS. JASON, I COULD JUST JUMP 1D OT DID COMMENT ON THE SECRET SIDE OF THE EQUATION AND THAT IS THEY SAID THAT THEY DID NOT SEE IT AS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. THE TRAFFIC FLOW FROM THIS USE ONTO ON AND OFF OF UH, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, SO THE CUSTOMER WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE EITHER THE LEFT TURN IN OR RIGHT TURN IN OFF OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND THEN BASICALLY COME ACROSS THE FIRST, UM, RIGHT TURN, WHICH IS LEADING INTO THE QUEUING LANE. UM, YOU CAN SEE OUR LAYOUT OF THE SITE IS SO THAT THE PARKING IS MORE UPFRONT ALONG SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD IN THE BUILDING IN THE REAR. THIS IS KIND OF DRIVEN BY A FEW THINGS. THERE'S A 35 FOOT FRONT YARD LANDSCAPE SETBACK THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, AS WELL AS 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE SETBACKS ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES PROPERTIES. THIS WOULD BE TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. UM, AND THEN ADDITION, JUST THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, IT REALLY JUST MINIMIZES THE LOCATION THAT'S OPTIMAL FOR THE CAR WASH OPERATION. SO AS YOU'RE TURNING IN, YOU'LL COME ACROSS THE QUEUING LANE. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 20 QUEUING SPACES PROVIDED. UM, MOD WASH SEES ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO LIKE 18 SPACES IS OPTIMAL FOR THEIR OPERATIONS. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, IS SATISFYING TO WHAT THEY SEE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS AT THEIR CAR WASHES. FROM THERE YOU'LL SEE TWO PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PROPOSED. THESE ARE KNOWN AS BOTH PREP SPACES, BASICALLY GIVING THE, UM, THE CUSTOMER AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE A HIGH PH SOLUTION TO CLEAN UP, TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THE BIGGER BUGS THAT BUILDS UP ON THE, THE WINDSHIELDS, THE HOODS, THE BUMPERS BEFORE ACTUALLY, UM, CIRCULATING INTO THE TUNNEL. FROM THERE YOU SEE THE BEGINNING OF OUR PAY STATIONS. THESE ARE CONCRETE ISLANDS THAT HAVE MENU BOARDS AND PAY STATION KIOSKS ON THEM, AS WELL AS A PAY STATION GATE THAT'LL OPEN UP AND THE CUSTOMER HAS COMPLETED THEIR TRANSACTION AT THESE PAY STATIONS. THERE'S GOING TO BE A SITE SUPERVISOR AT ALL TIMES THERE. UM, BASICALLY HELPING WITH THE CUSTOMER TRANSACTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP. AND THEN THE, THE OUTERMOST LANE, THE UM, IS KNOWN AS A VIP LANE. THIS IS FOR MONTHLY CUSTOMERS ONLY. THERE'S A LICENSE PLATE READER ON THE, UM, CURB ISLAND THAT WILL READ THE MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION OF THE CUSTOMER AND THE PAY STATION. THE PAY GATE WILL AUTOMATICALLY OPEN UP. THIS ALSO WILL ACT SOMEWHAT AS A BYPASS LANE FOR MOD WASH. UM, THE SITE SUPERVISOR HAS THE OPPORTUNITY AT ANY TIME IF A CUSTOMER DOESN'T WANNA GO THROUGH WITH THE ACTUAL CAR WASH TO UP, TO OPEN UP THIS PAY GATE AND JUST CONTINUE THAT CIRCULATION THROUGH. UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE TWO BUG WASH STATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED RIGHT BEFORE THE PAY STATIONS. THIS ALSO CAN ACT AS ANOTHER, UM, AREA FOR A CUSTOMER TO BACK OUT IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE ACTUAL, UM, CAR WASH. ONE OF OUR VARIANCES THAT WAS OBTAINED, UM, FROM THE ZONING BOARD WAS IN RELATION TO OUR PAY STATIONS TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO THE WEST. UM, SO TO BASICALLY OFFSET THIS VARIANCE THAT'S NEEDED, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE 20 FOOT LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT, UM, THAT'S NEEDED ALONG THAT WESLEY PROPERTY. SO WE ARE ENHAN ENHANCING THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S THERE WITH SOME EVERGREEN TREES AS WELL AS PROPOSING A RETAINING WALL, UM, TO MAKE UP FOR THE STEEP SLOPES ALONG THE PERIMETER. SO THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE RETAINING WALL, IT'S ABOUT FIVE FEET HEIGHT AND THE EXISTING BUFFERING THAT IS BEING, UM, ENHANCED, WE ARE PROVIDING SOME GOOD BUFFER AND SHIELDING TO THAT RESIDENCE. FROM THERE, THE CUSTOMER WILL CIRCULATE EITHER TO THE ENTRANCE TUNNEL OR THE BYPASS EMERGENCY LANE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING PRIOR TO THE TUNNEL. AND HERE THERE'LL BE ANOTHER, UM, WORKER EMPLOYEE ON SITE AND THEY'LL BASICALLY HELP THE CUSTOMER GET INTO THE CONVEYOR. THE CUSTOMER WILL PUT THEIR CAR IN NEUTRAL. UM, AND THEN ALL OPERATIONS HAPPEN WITHIN THE TUNNEL. THE CUSTOMER STAYS IN AT THE CAR AT ALL TIMES. UM, ALL THE DRYING WASHING, ALL ACTUAL OPERATIONS ARE DONE WITHIN THE ACTUAL TUNNEL. AND THEN ANY OF THE LIQUID MAKES ITS WAY INTO ONE OF THREE RECLAIM TANKS THAT ARE PROPOSED. THESE ARE 2000 GALLON TANKS. THE RECYCLE ANYWHERE FROM 75 TO 80% OF THE WATER BEING USED. WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, SEWER APPROVAL FROM ERIE COUNTY ON OUR WA ON OUR SEWER CONNECTION ALREADY. UM, THEY'VE REVIEWED OUR PLANS, HAD SOME MINOR COMMENTS, AND THEN WE'VE ADDRESSED THEM AND SINCE THEN RECEIVED APPROVAL AND THAT CONNECTION WILL BE ALONG ABLE ROAD. FROM THERE, THE CUSTOMER WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY [01:30:01] TO COME ACROSS WHAT YOU SEE AS THE ANGLE OF PARKING SPACES. UM, THERE'S 16 OF THEM AND THESE ARE KNOWN AS VACUUM SPACES. THIS IS A FREE AMENITY, KIND OF AN ADDED AMENITY TO THE USER. UM, IT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO TO DO THEIR OWN VACUUMING AND THERE'S SOME MICROFIBER TOWELS THERE. UM, JUST SOME EXTRA CLEANING THAT THE CUSTOMER CAN DO AND THEN THEY WILL CIRCULATE BACK NORTH THROUGH THE SITE. UM, AND OUT ALONG THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY, IN OUR PREVIOUS APPLICATION WE WERE SHOWING, I BELIEVE IT WAS NINE PARKING SPACES THAT WERE ADJACENT TO THE MAVIS AUTO CENTER. UM, THESE ARE PREVIOUSLY SHOWN IN THE 2018 APPLICATION. UM, SO OUR PREVIOUS INTENT WAS TO MORE OR LESS MATCH THAT. UM, BUT SINCE THEN WE HAVE REVISED THAT AND PROVIDING OUR EMPLOYEE SPACES ALL ONSITE. UM, WE'RE PROVIDING THREE OF THEM AT ALL AT ANY GIVEN TIME. MOD WASH SEES TWO TO FIVE EMPLOYEES, SO WE DO SEE THREE AS BEING OPTIMAL. UM, AND THEN SINCE WE PUT THE EMPLOYEE SPACES HERE, WE HAVE TO MOVE THE TRASH ENCLOSURE AND THAT IS NOW MORE UPFRONT AND GIVES THE, UM, THE ACTUAL TRASH BETTER ACCESSIBILITY, UM, TO THE ENCLOSURE. JASON, IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN HERE. IF YOU RECALL, DURING THE WORK SESSION WE HAD SHOWN PARKING SPACES HERE THAT WERE SUBJECT TO A RECIPROCAL ACCESS AGREEMENT WITH MAVIS. SINCE THE WORK SESSION, THE APPLICANT HAS REACHED OUT TO MAVIS AND THEY'VE AMENDED THAT ACCESS AGREEMENT TO ELIMINATE THAT RE RECIPROCAL PARKING ACCESS. AND UM, I'LL JUST JUMP AND GIVE A COPY OF THE AMENDMENT. SO THOSE, THOSE RECIPROCAL PARKING SPOTS FOR MAVIS ARE GONE. AND THAT IS ALSO REFLECTS WHAT JASON'S TALKING ABOUT TO THE CYCLING SITE PLAN CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, UH, REFLECTED IN THIS CURRENT PLAN. YEAH, EXACTLY. UM, AND THEN BACKTRACKING A LITTLE BIT, THE OTHER VARIANCE THAT WAS OBTAINED FROM THE ZONING BOARD WAS IN RELATION TO THE ACTUAL CAR WASH BUILDING TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO THE SOUTH OF US. UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD ARBORISTS, THEIR ACTUAL COMMENTS WERE TO PROVIDE SOME ENHANCED BUFFERING ALONG THAT FRONTAGE. UM, THEY VISITED THE SITE AND SINCE THEN WE DID ENHANCE OUR LANDSCAPING AND PROVIDE THOSE SHRUBS AND TREES, UM, AS REQUESTED. AND JUST AT THIS POINT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AWAITING. UM, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE ARBORIST? UM, GOING THROUGH I GUESS THE REST OF OUR UTILITIES SOME MORE. OUR WATER CONNECTION IS ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. WE HAVE HAD OUR COORDINATION WITH ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY TO THIS POINT. UM, THEY DID PROVIDE US COMMENTS ON THURSDAY, I BELIEVE OF LAST WEEK, UM, HAVING TO DO WITH OUR INTERNAL BACKFLOW PREVENTER THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING AND DO EXPECT TO SUBMIT TO THEM SOON, UM, AND HAVE THAT APPROVAL. AND THEN AS I'VE SAID, WE'LL NEED HIGHWAY WORK PERMITS FROM DOT FOR OUR GAS AND ELECTRIC CONNECTIONS AS WELL AS OUR WATER CONNECTIONS FOR STORM STORMWATER. UM, DOT HAS HAD SOME MINOR COMMENTS ON OUR DRAINAGE PLANS, REALLY HAVING TO DO WITH DOWNSIZING THE PIPES TO RETAIN MORE OF THE DETENTION ON SITE, WHICH WE'VE DONE AND WE'RE JUST WAITING APPROVAL ON. UM, AND THEN OUR LIGHTING PLAN, ALL LIGHTING WILL BE LED FIXTURES, TOTAL CUTOFF. AND THEY'VE BEEN DESIGNED TO MINIMIZE ANY IMPACT ONTO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE WEST AND THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, AND THEN AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE OUR LANDSCAPE SINCE THAT WAS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION IN OUR WORKSHOP AND COMMENTS FROM THE ARBORIST, WE HAVE HANDS THAT SINCE LAST TIME, UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WERE THE RIGHT OF WAY TREES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE DO HAVE THREE TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE. THEY MORE OR LESS MATCHES THE MAVIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, THEY WERE OFFSET WHERE WE'RE PLACING THEM DUE TO THE EXISTING GRASS SOILS THAT RUN ALONG THE FRONTS. SO WE'RE KEEPING THAT SAME DISTANCE THAT THEY HAD FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. CURRENTLY HAVE THREE, UM, AND WE ARE RUNNING OUR UTILITIES ALONG THAT FRONTAGE, SO IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO ADD ANY MORE. UM, I JUST WANNA PULL UP, OPEN OUR BUILDING ELEVATIONS. THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF, UM, IS MADE UP OF PRIMARILY THREE DIFFERENT MATERIALS. THE BLUE HERE, UM, IS BLUE TRIM HARDY BOARD. YOU CAN SEE THE SCORED CCMU THROUGHOUT AND THEN AS WELL AS EFIS. UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE WALL SIGNAGE [01:35:01] THAT IS ALSO BEING PROPOSED HERE. IF I CAN ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, THE ACTUAL TUNNEL ENTRY, WHICH FACES THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO THE WEST WILL HAVE THE MOD WASH, CAR WASH SIGN ALONG THAT TUNNEL ENTRANCE. AND THEN THE ELEVATION FACING SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WE'LL HAVE THIS OTHER MOD WASH CAR, WASH WALL SIGN. UM, BOTH THESE SIGNS ARE CODE COMPLIANT AND DO MEET, UM, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR AREA. AND THEN I TURN THIS OVER, I THINK LIT. THESE ARE ALL INTERNALLY LET LED NO EXTERNAL, BUT BUT THEY ARE OKAY. TRYING TO CHANNEL SENSE ABOUT THE NEON AND THE BRIGHT LIGHTS. NN NO COLORED, UM, ILLUMINATION? NO. OKAY. AND THEN OUR MONUMENT SIGN, WHICH IS LOCATED ALONG UM, SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, DOES COMPLY WITH CODE REQUIREMENTS. IT SET BACK 10 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, AND THEN IT'S FIVE FEET HIGH BY 32 SQUARE FEET. ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S, DID WE MENTION ALSO, I KNOW ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE WORK SESSION WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE NOISE LEVEL FROM THE VACUUMS AND I BELIEVE WE DID SUBMIT TO YOU GUYS A ENGINEERING REPORT ON THE, UH, DECAL LEVELS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE VACUUMS. SO THOSE HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOUR DECLINING TEAM AND UM, YEAH. ASK ME QUESTION. I CAN TOUCH ON THAT SOME MORE. UM, SO THE PULL UP THE SITE PLAN ONE MORE TIME. SO THE VACUUM PRODUCERS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ARE BOTH ALONG, UM, BASICALLY THE FRONTAGE THAT IS CLOSEST TO THE MAVIS PROPERTY. THIS WAS DONE PURPOSELY, SO THEY'RE AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL RESIDENCES. UM, AND THEN WE DID PROVIDE A SOUND STUDY JUST FOR OVERALL NOISE PRODUCED FROM THE TUNNEL OPENINGS AND THEN THE VACUUM PRODUCERS. AND WE'RE SEEING AT THE PROPERTY LINES IT'S AROUND 60 TO 65 DE DECIBELS, UM, FOR THE RESIDENCE AREAS. BUT AS FRANK SAID, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THAT STUDY, UM, TO THE TOWNSHIP. JUST OPEN ANY QUESTIONS. DID ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SPEAK AT THE ZONING BOARD WHEN YOU WERE REQUESTING THOSE VARIANCES THERE? IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND NO ONE SPOKE AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING. HAVE YOU DONE ANY OUTREACH WITH THE RESIDENTS AT ALL JUST TO FIGURE OUT WITH THOSE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, IF THEY HAVE ANY, HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? UH, WE PUT THE SIGNAGE UP AS AS REQUESTED ON THE LOT. WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY REACHED OUT TO RESIDENCES THAT I'M AWARE OF. UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU HAD IN FRONT. UM, DID YOU ADD ANYTHING, ANY UH, LANDSCAPING AT THE FRONT TO ADDRESS THE SCREENING CONCERNS AND REQUIRE ALONG THE FRONTAGE? YEAH, WE DIDN'T ADD ANY MORE LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT FRONTAGE NOW. WE ADDED MORE BUFFERING ALONG. YOU SEE THERE'S SHRUBS BACK HERE, UM, THAT ARE BEING ADDED AND THEN ALONG THE WESTERN PART AS WELL, WE'RE ENHANCING THAT BUFFER. AND THOSE WERE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOUR, UM, CONSERVATION BOARD'S INPUT AND YOUR ARB VERSUS INPUT. AND AGAIN, AS JASON HAD INDICATED ON THE FRONTAGE OF SOUTHWESTERN AND THERE'S A DRAINAGE SWALE THERE THAT CHA MAKES IT CHALLENGE TO ADD MORE LANDSCAPING PLUS SITE AND VISUAL IMPACT FOR, UH, PASSER BUYERS IS A CONCERN AS WELL. SURE. YEAH, NO, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE REQUIREMENTS. UM, UH, FOR CAR RUSHES IN PARTICULAR IN WHICH THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT VISIBILITY FROM THE ROAD SHOULD BE MINIMIZED. UM, AND I RAISED THAT ISSUE LAST TIME AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'VE DONE ANYTHING AT ALL TO ADDRESS THAT OR IF YOUR POSITION IS THAT, THAT IT'S BEEN DONE, THAT ENOUGH HAS BEEN DONE. I THINK WE'RE PROVIDING JUST ABOUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN, UM, WITH, WITH THE EXISTING KIND OF IMPACTS FROM THAT SWELL. UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH HOW FAR SETBACK OUR BUILDING IS WHILE WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE OTHER SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. UM, IT JUST REALLY WOULD LIMIT THE VISIBILITY OF OUR SITE, FORTUNATELY TO BE KIND OF THE REQUIREMENT. RIGHT. WELL AGAIN, WE FEEL WE'VE MET THAT BY ADDING THE TREES THAT WE HAVE ON THE BRANCHES OF SOUTHWESTERN. THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING SETBACK PRETTY FAR, IT'S EVEN FARTHER AWAY FROM SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD THAN MAVIS IS. MAVIS ISN'T A CAR WASH THOUGH. CORRECT. BUT IN ADDITION TO THE ADDED LANDSCAPING ON THE PERIPHERAL, UH, ON THE WESTERN AND EASTERN SOUTHERN SIDE OF IT, WE FEEL THAT WE'VE REALLY GONE PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY FORWARD IN, IN SCREENING THE, THE BUILDING. I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO EXPLORE MAYBE SOME GRASSES IN, [01:40:01] IN, YOU KNOW, ALONG THOSE TREES THAT, YOU KNOW, AREN'T IN THE DRAINAGE SWELL. AGAIN, WE CAN'T REALLY IMPACT THAT SWELL BECAUSE OF STORM WATER, UH, PURPOSES. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CONSERVATION BOARD REALLY DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT ADDING ALONG OF THAT ROPE. THE CONSERVATION BOARD, THE CONSERVATION BOARD WAS FOCUSED ON THE TREE REMOVAL AND THE BUFFER TO THE ADJOINING. UM, I THINK WHAT JEB IS SAYING, OUR RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SPECIAL NEWS PERMIT IS THE SCREENING, HOWEVER THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED ALONG THE HIGHWAY. WE'RE TRYING TO SOFTEN THE IMPACTS OF THE TYPICAL VIEW OF A OF A, OF A CAR WASH. YOU'RE ARGUING THAT, THAT IT'S SET BACK FURTHER. YOU DO HAVE THE RESTRICTION OF THE SWALE, YOU DO HAVE SOME MINOR TREE PLANTING, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE, WHETHER THEY'RE LANDSCAPE DIAL IN SOMETHING OR OTHER, JUST THE BREAKUP THAT, THAT VIEW I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE YEAH, I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ONCE, BUT ONE TIME DID WE TALK ABOUT REMOVING TREES, YOU KNOW, OH WE, WE'VE ADDED TREES AS CONSERVATION BACK OF THE SITE IS IS WHERE, AND AGAIN THAT WAS THE WHOLE ISSUE, BUT AFTER THE TREE MANAGEMENT WALLS WERE REMOVING TREES, THEY'RE NOT REMOVING ANY TREES. THE TREES WERE ALREADY REMOVED 'CAUSE THEY HAD TO CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES TO GRADE IT FOR MAVIS. CORRECT. SO THEY CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES ON THE OTHER SIDE WHEN THEY PUT IN MAVIS. THAT'S CORRECT. SO AGAIN, WE ARE WELCOME TO, THERE'S NO TREES FOR EM TO CUT DOWN. WE'RE WELCOME TO, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING THIS MEDIAN, UH, MAYBE ADDING SOME GRASSES INTENTIONALLY ADD ALONG THAT. WE JUST ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ADDING MORE TREES ALONG THAT FRONTAGE OF SOUTHWEST BECAUSE OF THE VISIBILITY CONCERNS WITH PASSERBYS DRIVING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, OH THERE IT IS. AND THEY MAKE THAT QUICK TURN AND IT MIGHT BE A TRAFFIC HAZARD, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO ADDING A LANDSCAPE ISLAND. I GUESS LANDSCAPING THIS PART HERE MORE AND MAYBE DOING SOME MEDIUM SHRUBBERY THERE. EXACTLY. I THINK WE CAN ADD SOME LARGER PLANTING MAYBE IN THIS LANDSCAPING ISLAND THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY GRASSES. UM, BUT ALONG THE FRONTAGE HERE, WE DEFINITELY ARE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO. OKAY. DEFINITELY OPENS UP GOING BACK TO NOISE FOR A MOMENT. UM, THANK YOU FOR SUBMITTING THE STUDY. THAT WILL BE HELPFUL. WE HAD ALSO ASKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF THE VACUUMS NOT RUNNING AT NIGHT MM-HMM . AND THE OPERATION HOURS AT THE CAR WASH. CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THOSE? SO OPERATION HOURS ARE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. AND THE VACUUMS WILL ONLY BE AROUND DURING HOURS. OKAY. AND WE'RE NOT TYPICALLY, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PATROL HOURS OF OPERATION. I WAS JUST, BUT OUR, BUT OUR MM-HMM . OUR ANALYSIS OF THIS PROJECT IS BASED UPON THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE OPERATION IS GONNA BE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM AND THEREFORE, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE SOUND ISSUE. 65 DECIBELS AT A PROPERTY LINE. NOT BAD DURING THE DAY, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. SO THE TOWN, SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL SAY IT'S IT THAT THE HOURS OPERATION ARE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM I MEAN, AND, AND I THAT'S FINE. THAT'S WHAT THE HOURS ARE. RIGHT. SO IF THAT'S A CONDITION OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I THINK THAT'S THAT I WAS JUST ASKING CONDITION BASED UPON OUR STUDY AND OUR FEAR ABOUT OF, OF, OF NOISE. IF YOU SAID YOU WERE OPERATING LATER, THEN WE WOULD'VE A PROBLEM WITH THE NOISE AND THAT, THAT THAT'S THE MOD WASH OPERATIONAL GUIDELINES. AND I THOUGHT WE HAD SUBMITTED A COPY THAT YOU GUYS, SO WE WE'RE HAPPY WITH. IT'S THE TOWN CODE, RIGHT? RIGHT. DOES NOT ALLOW SLEEP DISTURBANCE. SEVEN FROM 11 TO SEVEN. YEAH. SO LIKE YOU SAID, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE YOUR NOISE STUDY, YOU WERE RELYING ON A NUMERIC DECIBEL, BUT THE CODE IS A NARRATIVE NUISANCE, STANDARD STANDARD OF SLEEP DISTURBING OR DISTURBING NOISES. CORRECT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WAS ASKING. THANK YOU DREW. I WAS NOT TRYING TO GET INTO . NO, NO, IT, IT A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE IT RELATES TO WHAT'S GONNA BE A CONDITION OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE OUR, OUR EVALUATION IS BASED UPON THEM. SO IF THEY SAID THEY WERE OPENING TILL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THEN OUR EVALUATION WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT. RIGHT. SO EIGHT TO EIGHT AND NO VACUUM. AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT BEING A CONDITION OF THE SPECIALTY EXPERIENCE. THANK. AND THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE, AS AS MARCO JUST ASKED THE VACUUMS, I CAN'T SHOW UP AT MIDNIGHT AND OPERATE THE VACUUMS. RIGHT. THEY'RE THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHUT DOWN. RIGHT. AND THEN BECAUSE THERE IS OF THE FACILITY IS MUTED AT NIGHT OR TURNED OFF, OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT SOME LIGHTING FOR, FOR SECURITY, BUT IT CAN BE REDUCED AT NIGHT, CORRECT. YEAH. SO THE SECURITY LIGHT OR THE AREA LIGHTS WILL STAY ON, UM, OVERNIGHT ALL OF THE LED FIXTURES FOR EACH VACUUM BOOM AND THEN ALONG THE PAY STATIONS WILL BE TURNED OFF. UM, AND THEN THE ACTUAL AERIAL LIGHTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL RESIDENCES. I BELIEVE THE FIRST ONE'S OVER HERE WITHIN THIS LANDSCAPING ISLAND. AND IT'S BASED AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL RESIDENCES. UM, [01:45:01] SO THE ELLIE, BUT YES, THEY WILL BE ON OVERNIGHT. THEY WON'T BE DI THE CAR WASH SIGN THAT'S LED, WILL THAT BE ON OVERNIGHT? I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE TURNED OFF OVERNIGHT. BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE, THE HOUSE IS ABOVE THE CAR WASH, IS THAT CORRECT? OR DO I HAVE THAT INVERSE? THIS HAS TO NO, THE HOUSE IS ABOVE. THE HOUSE IS ABOVE. THE HOUSE IS ABOVE AND THEN IF YOU PULL UP THE UM, RENDERING AGAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SIGN WITH THE LIGHT IS, IS THE HIGHEST PART. YEAH, IT'S ON. SO I'M INTRIGUED ON THOSE ELEVATIONS. SO THE SIGN THAT WE'LL BE FACING THAT WESTERN RESIDENCE IS THIS ONE HERE. UM OH, OKAY. IT IS NOT ON THE TALL PART OF THE BUILDING. THIS WOULD BE FACING SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPERATIONAL GUIDELINES THAT THEY DO SHUT OFF AT NIGHT. AND AGAIN, IF MAY BE THAT CAN BE A CONDITION OF A SOCIAL USE BURNER, CONDITIONS OF A SPECIAL USE BURN ARE MUCH EASIER TO ENFORCE. SO WE'D LIKE TO MAKE THEM CONDITIONS IF THEY ARE SOMETHING YOU NEED TO ADD. UM, SITE LINE APPROVAL CONDITIONS ARE TOUGH, TOUGH AFTERWARDS, BUT ESPECIALLY JUST PERMIT CONDITIONS ARE FORCEFUL. SO THE ONLY LIGHT THAT'S GONNA REMAIN ON IS THE ONE OUT FRONT ON THE STREET. THERE'S THREE AREA LIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT THAT, BUT AT NIGHT OH AT NIGHT ALL THREE WILL REMAIN ON. MM-HMM . MIGHT HAVE TO BE DARK CUT COMPLIANCE SO THAT YOU HELP. YEAH. AND JEB, YOU ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE ZBA A THE RESIDENT, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS AND THE RESIDENT MAY BE HERE TONIGHT. I DUNNO IF THEY'RE YES, THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT. SO, UH, I KNOW THEY APPEARED TO LAST ME AND SAID WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THEM TO COMMENT ON. SO I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TONIGHT. SO AGAIN, I JUST SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT. WE DID SUBMIT THE OPERATIONAL GUIDELINES, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMENTS COMING FROM THE, BUT WE ARE PERFECTLY FINE HAVING THOSE GUIDELINES BEING MADE CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIALTIES PERMIT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WITH MAVIS IS THE, THE ROOF IS, IS GREEN LIKE THE MAVIS, BUT WE HAD UH, THE BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THE OTHER COLORS. WE ASKED THEM TO MATCH THE WALMART ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE COLOR SCHEME. SO IF YOU COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THIS, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE HERE? WELL THE BLUE WOULD PROBABLY STAY IN THE OTHER COLORS. OTHER COLORS. OKAY. BECAUSE LIKE THE COLORS OF THE SIGNAGE OR THIS COLOR, THAT ONE. YEAH, BUT LIKE THE WHITEISH BE COLORS IF IT COULD BE THE SAME. AND WHAT IS THE COLOR OF THE WALMART? BEIGE. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A BEIGE TYPE COLOR. IT'S LIKE AN OFF WHITE, CREAMY, BEAUTIFUL COLORS. THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S FINE. RIGHT. UM, I JUST KNOW THAT MOD WASH I WOULD WANT THE COLORS OF THEIR SIGN OF THE YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH MAUS. WE DIDN'T HAVEN'T CHANGED THE COLORS OF THEIR SIGNS. YEAH. THEY STILL LOVE THE GREEN ROOF AND THE, I THINK IT'S A YELLOW LENS BLUE. I DUNNO HOW THAT BLUE AND BEI LOOK, BUT IT'S LIKE A BRICK AND YELLOW. YOU WANNA, HE A FUNNY COMMENT TO THAT. GUESS WHO PICKED THE DESIGN AND COLORS OF THE WALMART? WALMART. THAT WOULD BE YOUR GOVERNOR. KATHY HOPEWELL , RIGHT. WAS A TOWN BOARD MEMBER AT THE TIME. SO I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE WALMART LOOKS LIKE. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF WALMARTS. UM, IF WE CAN GET UNIQUE WALMART, IF WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, WE A RENDERING OR THE EASIER THING TO DO IS WE HAVE MAVIS DO IT AND MAVIS IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR. SO IF YOU MATCH MAVIS, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD'VE THE SAME IMPACT. AND I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING FOR MAVIS COLORING AND THE WALMART HOUSING AND MM-HMM . PREPARE A RENDERING. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YEP. SO BEFORE YOU OPEN PHONE, YOU GUYS KNOW THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE. YOU HAVE AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AUTHORIZATION FOR ERROR. YOU HAVE A SECRET DECISION, YOU HAVE THEN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT DECISION. AND THEN AS PART OF, AND WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THAT QUICKLY, THEN YOU HAVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. IF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL INCLUDES ANY TREE CLEARING, OBVIOUSLY YOUR APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN INCLUDES THE TREE CLEARING PERMIT. REMEMBER WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT REMOVING ANY, THERE ARE SOME EXISTING TREES AT THE BACK OF THE SITE, THE BACK POINT CORNER. RIGHT. THOSE ARE STAYING, THEY'RE STAYING AWAY FROM THAT AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THOSE. WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND, AND I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE HERE, IS THAT IN THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE? THAT WAS FINE, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD IS CHARGED WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AT THAT BACK TO COMPLIMENT THE SMALL AMOUNT OF TREES THAT ARE LEFT. RIGHT. TO PROTECT THOSE ADJOINING RESIDENCES FROM SOUND, UH, FROM UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AND FIGHTING. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE JED BROUGHT UP THE FACT OF YOUR CODE ALSO REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, YOU SCREAM FROM THE ROAD. SO, SO THOSE ARE SOME, SO THOSE ARE THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE PUTTING THOSE DECISIONS TOGETHER. UH, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA DIRECT WHETHER TO PROCEED WITH PUTTING TOGETHER RESOLUTIONS FOR THOSE THREE ITEMS, INCLUDING [01:50:01] IF WE DON'T HAVE TREAT THERE. AND THEN IT'S JUST SIM SIMPLE SITE APPROVALS. SO IF I COULD JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND, WHILE WE WERE BEFORE THE ZBA, WE DID PROPOSE ENHANCING THE TREES, GOOD PLANTING TREES SINCE THE WORK SESSION AND THE DIRECTIVE YOU GAVE US, JASON AND HIS TEAM MET WITH YOUR CONSERVATION BOARD, THE ARBORIST. SO THESE TREES ARE FURTHER SUPPLEMENTED WITH THE ARBORIST'S INPUT. OKAY. UM, SO THERE, THESE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY ADDING, BEING ADDED TO THE EXISTING TREE LINE THAT'S ON THE PROFIT. YEAH, IT WAS THE ZBA A MEETING, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT AS A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL. SO WE'RE JUST ASSUMING THAT THAT WAS A CONDITION THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IMPROVING THE, THE BUFFERING IN THE BACK. SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MORE TREES THAN, WELL, WELL THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO DECIDE IF THAT IS, IF THAT IS ADEQUATE. THE PLANNING BOARD. I'M NOT SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING THE PLANNING BOARD MAKES THAT DECISION. I JUST, DO YOU WANNA CLARIFY, MOVE ALONG THE PUBLIC HEARING PART SO THE, I HAVE A QUESTION STATEMENT. GET THERE. UM, CAN YOU JUST ADDRESS AGAIN, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST? I BELIEVE THE, THE ADDITIONAL SCREENING THAT YOU PUT RIGHT TO COVER THE HOUSE. I WANTED THAT CLARIFIED. YEAH. UM, SO YOU DID, SINCE WE MET AT THE WORK SESSION, YOU ADDED ADDITIONAL SCREENING FROM THE HOUSE. DOES IT ALSO COVER THE SIGN FROM THE NEIGHBOR? DOES IT BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE SIGN SAYING THE SIGN THAT'S ALONG THE FRONTAGE, DOES IT BLOCK SO IT'S THERE, IT DOES IT BLOCK THE, THE SIGN ABOVE THE BAY YEAH. IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE FACING THE NEIGHBOR, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN, RIGHT? NO, IT WOULDN'T BE BLOCKING, UM, THE SIGNAGE. YOU BASICALLY CUT IT OFF. SO THAT, WAIT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE WALL SIGNAGE OR THE, SHE'S JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN RIGHT HERE. WALL THE SIGN RIGHT ABOVE THE ENTRANCE. I BELIEVE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS SIGN RIGHT HERE? YEAH, THIS SIGN THAT WOULD BE FACING WEST THE RESIDENCE TO THAT ONE RESIDENCE. IT, IT WOULD BE MORE OR LESS COMPLETELY BLOCKED IF YOU WERE ON THAT WESTERN RESIDENCE. THE WALLS AROUND FIVE FEET HIGH AND THEN THE TREES ARE PLANTING AROUND SIX TO EIGHT FEET TALL AND THEN THIS IS MOUNTED AROUND 11 FEET TALL. I WANTED THAT NOTED. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. THANK YOU. AND I THINK THAT WITH THE NEIGHBOR THERE, THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT OUT AND, AND HIGHLIGHTED IN MY OPINION. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. SO BECAUSE THERE'S NEIGHBORS HERE, I WANTED, I WANTED TO, WANTED TO SHOW YOUR DUE DILIGENCE OF BLOCKING THAT FROM THE NEIGHBOR. SO THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE WE START? THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY HU ST 21 LLC CONSTRUCT A CAR WASH FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 5 3 6 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 15TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL. ALL RIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE HUTTONS STREET 21 LLC PROJECT? ALRIGHT, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND SPELL THE NAME THERE. WE SPELL HERE OR WHEREVER YOU LIKE ME TO TELL RIGHT HERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. MAKE SURE YOU SPELL YOUR NAME. JASON HALEY, H-A-L-E-Y, UH, RESIDENT OF 5 4 4 4 ABEL ROAD. UM, SO I HAD, YOU KNOW, THE PLEASURE OF COMING TO THE WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT THIS. UM, I LIVE IN A NEARBY PROPERTY. UM, I'M JOINED BY MY NEIGHBOR THAT ACTUALLY LIVES IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. UM, AND I'LL TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. IF YOU WANNA PUT THAT MATCH UP, YOU CAN SHOW THEM EXACTLY WHERE YOUR RESIDENCE IS, THE OVER THERE AERIAL PHOTO. OKAY, SO, SO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE TODAY IS THIS HOUSE AND THEN THIS IS MY PROPERTY HERE. SO THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH. UM, SO IN, IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE PROBLEMS OR THE CONCERNS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WITH A CAR WASH BEING INSTALLED NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? NOISE, NOISE, POLLUTION, LIGHT CHEMICALS, RIGHT? WE HEARD THAT THERE'S A CAUSTIC, UH, A HIGH PH SPRAY NOZZLE, RIGHT? CLEARLY THOSE CHEMICALS END UP SOMEWHERE. I KNOW THERE'S, UH, REVIEW OF THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S KNOWN THAT [01:55:01] THAT, UH, CHEMICAL CARRYOVER FROM AND MIST FROM A CAR WASH CAN GO ON NEIGHBORS OVER SPRAY LEADING TO, UH, MICROBIAL GROWTH, UM, AS WELL, A COUPLE THINGS. SO I THINK THOSE ARE KNOWN ISSUES. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST CAR WASH GOING INTO THE TOWN. I THINK I HEARD AT THE WORK SESSION THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH CAR WASHES THAT HAVE GONE IN AND ONGOING COMPLAINTS. WE'RE ACTUALLY HEARING FROM ANOTHER CAR WASH TO SOME EXTENT IS HAMMERED BECOMING THE TOWN OF CAR WASHES. UM, WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS, AS A, A NEIGHBOR INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE OF THE SITE THAT YOU MAY NOT, SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THERE'S THIS 200 FOOT SETBACK DISTANCE, WHICH IS THE TYPICAL REQUIREMENT. UH, 48 FEET IS THE RESIDENT TO THE WEST, 150 FEET IS TO MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. UM, I'M ACTUALLY 203 FEET. SO KIND OF BY DEFAULT I'M OUTSIDE A NOTIFICATION, RIGHT? SO LUCKILY I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS AND I'M ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK OUT. UM, I THINK ALSO FROM THE ZONING, UH, DISCUSSION, UM, MY NEIGHBOR CAN TALK TO IT, BUT WE, SHE WAS NOT NOTIFIED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NOTIFICATION WAS SUPPOSED TO COME VIA PHONE, MAIL, WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S WHY WE WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET PROPER NOTIFICATIONS. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE Z FIRST? THERE'S NO NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS. THESE APPROVALS, UM, FOR THE ZVA, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY, CORRECT? IT'S ON THE 200 FEET. SO AGAIN, SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. I'M ON A TECHNICALITY THREE FEET OUTSIDE, SO IT WASN'T NOTIFIED. I THINK ANOTHER THING TO POINT OUT IS THAT'S TO THE RESIDENTS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE SLEEPING AT NIGHT, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE IN OUR HOUSE EATING. OUR BACKYARDS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSER. ONE THING TO POINT OUT IS THERE'S A POOL THAT WE ALL GO TO IN THE SUMMER. MY NEIGHBOR'S POOL 75 FEET, SO CLEARLY SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSER THAN THE DISTANCE TO THE HOUSE. UM, AGAIN, OUR BACKYARD, WE ALL SHARE THE BACKYARD. WE, UH, I HAVE PERSONALLY TWO SMALL CHILDREN, UH, SIX AND THREE. MY NEIGHBOR'S, GRANDDAUGHTERS LIVES WITH HER AS WELL AS ANOTHER GRANDDAUGHTER, AN INFANT THAT COMES OVER TO THE HOUSE QUITE OFTEN. SO A LOT OF, A LOT OF USE IN THIS VERY CLOSE ENVIRONMENT TO THIS, THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, NOISY LIGHT POLLUTION PLACE. THE THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME I'M GLAD IT WAS RECOGNIZED, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THIS MATURE TREE LINE. THIS IS FAR FROM A MATURE TREE LINE CAPABLE OF BLOCKING NOISE AND LIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THE MAVIS WAS PUT IN, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THOSE TREES WERE CLEAR CUT. ALL THAT'S LEFT ARE A FEW ASH TREES, WHICH TO BE HONEST, ARE FALLING DOWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UM, ASH DISEASE THAT ARE FALLING DOWN AS WE SPEAK. SO IT'S GOOD THAT THAT WAS RECOGNIZED BY AN ARBORIST AND THAT MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE. UM, THE LAST THING TO POINT OUT IS THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THIS SITE IS FAR FROM TYPICAL RIGHT? NORMAL LIGHT STUDIES. NOISE STUDIES ASSUME A FLAT PROPERTY. THIS IS FAR FROM, UM, OUR ELEVATIONS ARE 10 TO 15 FEET, FEET HIGHER THAN THIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE OTHER NEIGHBOR. SO THE CONCERN WITH THAT IS YOUR LIGHT POLES ARE NOW AT HOUSE LEVEL, RIGHT? FIRST FLOOR LEVEL. NORMALLY LIGHT WOULD GO UP AND AWAY, NOISE WOULD GO UP AND AWAY. UP AND AWAY IS NOW INTO OUR YARD, INTO OUR HOUSE, INTO WHERE WE ARE. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. TYPICALLY THAT'S NOT, UM, IN A NORMAL NOISE OR, OR LIGHT STUDY. UM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY FIVE YEARS AGO, UM, I WASN'T AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAD JUST RECENTLY MOVED IN AND I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I CAME HOME AND LITERALLY ALL THE TREES IN MY AJA ADJACENT PROPERTY WERE GONE. UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE NOW HEAR INTERCOM NOISE FROM WALMART. WE HEAR PEOPLE LOOKING FOR THEIR CARS BY HITTING THEIR PANIC BUTTONS IN WALMART AT A DISTANT SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. SO I, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, THAT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S WHY [02:00:01] I'M HERE TODAY JUST TO EXPRESS THE CONCERN FROM, FROM ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS OF, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER DECISION NOT TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY. 'CAUSE IT WILL HAVE IMPACTS ON OUR PROPERTY, OUR DAILY LIFE, OUR ACTIVITIES AS WE TRY TO USE, YOU KNOW, OUR BACKYARDS NEXT TO THIS POTENTIAL, UH, PROPOSED CARWASH. SO THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT, I JUST WANNA, UM, REITERATE A LITTLE BIT. SO NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. YES, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH LOPEZ AND I LIVE ON THE PROPERTY. SPELL YOUR NAME PLEASE. SORRY. SORRY. L-O-P-E-Z. THANK YOU. YES, AND I ACTUALLY LIVE AT THE PROPERTY THAT IS GOING TO BE BACKED UP. UM, I LIVE ON ABEL ROAD, BUT THE PROPERTY SITE WOULD BE RIGHT BEHIND. UH, JASON, MY NEIGHBOR HAS DONE WONDERFUL, UH, RESEARCH ABOUT THIS MORE SO THAN I HAVE. AGAIN, I WAS NOT NOTIFIED BY ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, OF THE TOWN OR ANYTHING THAT THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. UM, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD SO THEY CAN RESEARCH THAT AS WELL? I'M SORRY. CERTAINLY IT'S 54 36 ABEL ROAD IS THE ACTUAL ADDRESS FOR OUR RESIDE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, AND AS JASON SAID, WE ARE OUT IN THE YARD WITH CHILDREN. HE HAS CHILDREN. I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN. I MYSELF AM OUT IN THE YARD ALL THE TIME. I HAVE A POOL THERE THAT I LOVE TO ENJOY. I HAVE GARDENS, UH, VEGETABLE GARDENS, PLANT GARDENS, UM, AND, AND THE POTENTIAL OF JUST THE, THE VAPORS THAT OVER SPRAY ANY KIND OF CHEMICAL, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ENDURE WHILE WE'RE ENJOYING OUR YARDS IN THE SUMMER, WHICH IS NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO OBVIOUSLY. BUT AGAIN, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CAN BE DONE. I KNOW THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE ABOUT A BARRIER AND AS JASON, UH, MY NEIGHBOR SAID, OUR PROPERTY LEVELS A, A FIVE FOOT BARRIER NO MATTER WHAT KIND WILL NOT PROTECT MY PROPERTY, MY POOL, MY GARDEN, MY GRANDCHILDREN FROM ANY OF THAT OVER SPRAYED CHEMICALS, THE, THE CAR EXHAUST FROM THE CARS WAITING IN, YOU KNOW, MINE TO GO THROUGH THEIR CAR WASH. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY WOULD IMPACT US. UM, IN OUR AREA AND NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE CHILDREN THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL. WHEN MAVIS WENT IN THE BUFFER THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN PROPERTY LINES PER SE, AS JASON SAID, THEY'RE MOSTLY DEAD TREES. THEY CLEARED EVERYTHING OUT. MY HUSBAND AND I HAD PLANTED WHEN WE BUILT THE HOUSE. WE PLANTED, UM, PINE TREES IN HOPES TO HELP BUFFER ANYTHING THAT WOULD COME ON THAT SIDE. NEVER KNOWING WHAT WOULD, WHAT IT WOULD BE. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME THERE. AND AS I SAID, THE PROPERTY LINE COMES DOWN AND THESE GENTLEMEN SPOKE ABOUT A SWALE IN THE FRONT ON SOUTHWESTERN. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY RESEARCHED ON THE BOTTOM OF OUR PROPERTY. THERE'S LIKE A SWALE THERE AS WELL. SO WHAT KIND OF TREES, WHAT KIND OF THINGS ARE THEY GONNA PUT IN THERE? OUR PINE TREES TOOK 15 YEARS TO GROW 10 FEET, AND IT STILL DOESN'T COVER. I CAN STILL SEE WALMART. I CAN STILL HEAR WALMART, I CAN HEAR ME THIS ON OCCASION. SO THERE'S A LOT OF OF THINGS THAT WILL PLAY FACTOR INTO THIS. THE OTHER THING TOO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, TO BRING IS THE TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW, WHEN WALMART CAME, A LOT OF TRAFFIC CAME ALONG WITH IT. WE UNDERSTAND IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S A BUSY HIGHWAY AS IT IS, YOU KNOW, BUSY ROUTE AS IT IS. THERE HAVE BEEN MANY, MANY, MANY ACCIDENTS ON THAT CORNER OF ROUTE 20 AND ROGERS ROAD. PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION, PEOPLE TRYING TO GO TOO FAST. PEOPLE TRYING TO GET FROM THAT LIGHT AT ROGERS TO THE LIGHT. UH, JUST PAST MAVIS AT THE WALMART ENTRANCE, THE MOTORCYCLES THAT GO DOWN THERE, THIS WILL JUST CAUSE MORE NOISE FACTOR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, NOT JUST MINE PARTICULARLY, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE REALLY WANNA ENJOY OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR YARDS, AND THAT'S WHY WE ACTUALLY BUILT THERE. SO I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD CONSIDER MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BUFFER SOMETHING OTHER THAN A FEW TREES OR PINE TREES THAT'LL TAKE 10 YEARS TO GROW, UM, TO, TO PROTECT THE [02:05:01] NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT HUTTON'S STREET FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE CAR WASH OR THIS CAR WASH FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY MORE COMMENTS ON HUTTON STREET 21 LLC? I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS ON LINE. THERE'S COMMENTS ON THAT. JENNIFER WAS GETTING. UM, SO THE FIRST RELEVANT COMMENT WAS FROM ADRIANA, A-D-R-I-A-N-A, RAMIREZ, R-A-M-I-R-E-Z. BY PUSHING THE BUILDING FIR FARTHER AWAY FROM SOUTHWESTERN. ARE YOU NOW BEING CLOSER FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR WHICH YOU ALREADY HAD TO FILE A NON-CONFORMITY? UM, THE NEXT COMMENT CHRONOLOGICALLY WAS FROM LIZA LER, LIZA, LAST NAME LER, E-P-P-L-E-R. HONESTLY, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE CAN WE LITERALLY SQUEEZE INTO HAMBURG? WHAT ABOUT THE SCHOOLS? WE'RE ALREADY SHORT STAFFED WITH EDUCATORS. WHERE ARE ALL THESE CHILDREN GOING TO GO TO SCHOOL? WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK? THIS MIGHT BE BALLPARK. IT SAYS 19 MINUTES AGO. UM, WHERE ARE WE ALL GOING TO LIVE? CAN DO IT ONTO THE FIELDS AND NATURAL WOODLAND TO MAKE ROOM FOR PEOPLE. UH, SIX MINUTES. LIZZA LER. THIS IS SIX MINUTES AGO. UM, THANK GOODNESS A REAL RESIDENT SHOWS UP TO PROTEST. WAY TO GO. ALL RIGHT, SO BEING NO MORE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE NEED ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I GUESS MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. RIGHT? SO THE BEST WAY TO PROBABLY DO THAT, UH, WOULD BE SPEND SOMETHING IN WRITING. OKAY? SO, SO WHAT WE'LL USUALLY DO IS, SO WE'LL GET THE MINUTES, THE MINUTES WILL GET APPROVED, AND THEN YOU CAN SEND US A LETTER. THEN WE CAN PUT THAT LETTER ON THE WEBSITE SO EVERYBODY OKAY. CAN LOOK AT IT. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE'LL DO THAT. UM, THE BOARD. MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? SURE. UM, I, AFTER LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBOR ABOUT THE BACK, I'M JUST WONDERING, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT ABOUT A BERM. MAYBE A BERM NEEDS TO LOOK. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO IT TONIGHT, BUT I'M JUST WELL, THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF WANTED TO MAYBE MENTION A COUPLE THINGS. IT'S JUST A QUESTION YOU GUYS CAN ADDRESS THAT. I MEAN, ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO A BURNER. I, WE WE'RE, WE'RE WELCOME TO THE IDEA OF ANY MORE TREES. UM, AND SO, AND THE OTHER THING I WAS JUST GONNA ADD IS THAT THE, THE PRODUCTS THAT ARE USED AT THIS ARE ALL BIODEGRADABLE. AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IN THE OPERATIONAL GUIDELINES THAT WE SUBMITTED TO YOUR PLANNING TEAM. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE LACK OF, BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY OPEN TO PLANTING MORE TREES. A BERM BACK THERE. UM, AGAIN, WE HAD NO, UH, INVOLVEMENT WITH THE TREES CUTTING AT ALL. THAT WAS A PRIOR PROPERTY HONOR. AND IT IS, YEAH, IT, THOSE NAMES, YEAH. MY CLIENT SAYING THAT THIS IS A TOTAL WHERE CLAIMS SYSTEM, IT'S LIKE A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM THAT RECYCLES THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE WATER THAT'S BEING USED AT THE CAR WASH. SO I JUST, BUT WE ARE OPEN TO MORE TREES OR BURN BACK. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PLAN BOARD WANNA SEE AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN. BILL, YOU'RE GONNA TABLE THIS TO A FUTURE MEETING. WHAT WE CAN DO WITH AUTHORIZE, WE CAN START PREPARING THE MATERIALS LIKE A DRAFT, DRAFT SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH CONDITIONS. WE'LL START DRAFTING THE PART THREE OF THE EAF TO SEE WHAT ARE THE ISSUES AND WHATEVER. BUT IF YOU WANT US TO START DRAFTING THOSE SO YOU HAVE THINGS BEFORE YOU TO CONSIDER, LIKE I SAID, THE CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, COULD BE, NOT THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR ANYTHING, BUT YOU HAVE THOSE BEFORE YOU TO SEE THAT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN OFFERED AND WHATEVER. I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE I THINK YOU SHOULD RESUBMIT IS, IS THE ISSUE OF THE BUFFER AT THE BACK AND WHAT COULD BE DONE AT THE BACK OF THE SITE SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA AFFECT SOUND LIFE, WHICH ARE SEEKER ISSUES, ET CETERA. UH, ESPECIALLY NOISE. I MEAN, I, I'M THE ONE WHO SET ON THE RECORD IN THE 10 OTHER COMMUNITIES I REPRESENT. THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS WE HAVE ARE ABOUT, ARE ABOUT CAR WASHES AND NOISE. UM, 'CAUSE YOU DO, I MEAN, YOU OPERATE EIGHT TO EIGHT, BUT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO IT IS, IT CAN BE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, I FORGET WHAT YOU SAID YOU AVERAGE ABOUT, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU AVERAGE ABOUT PER, PER HOUR OR WHATEVER ON YOUR PEAK TIME? WELL, THERE'S PEAK FLOWS AND THERE'S NON PEAK FLOWS DURING THE PEAK FLOWS, WHICH MATCH THE SATURDAY RIGHT. [02:10:01] KIND OF ACTIVITY ON SOUTHWEST IS SATURDAY WEEKENDS, BUT PEOPLE ARE HOME. RIGHT. COOL. THAT'S WHEN WE GET THE COMPLAINTS IN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ON SATURDAY MORNING. WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO IT. HAS THAT, THAT BUFFER OKAY. IN THOSE AREAS. WORK, WORK ON THAT. AND, AND SO, SO THE GRADING WOULD ALLOW FOR A BERM? WHAT'S THAT? I HOPE THEY ALREADY HAD A RETAINING WALL. I'M SORRY. SO THERE'S ALREADY A RETAINING WALL. THE RETAINING WALL IS MORE ALONG THE WESTERN, NOT THE SOUTHERN SIDE. I THINK WE'RE TALKING MORE OF THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IN A, IN A, IN A BERM FIT. THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PLACE YOU COULD PUT IT WOULD JUST LIKE KIND OF SLIDE OFF THE EXISTING SLOPE. SOMETHING WE'RE WILLING TO LOOK INTO. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO SPEAK TO YOUR ARBORISTS AND, AND YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY MAYBE IN LUVA BERM OTHER TREES OR DIFFERENT TREES IN THAT. WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS A PROBLEM WITH THE BURN IS IF YOU HAD A BURN, THERE'S LESS TREES. YEAH. I MEAN, IF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE A BERM IS TO, TO CONSTRUCT A BERM, AND CAM WILL TELL YOU THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA HAVE SIDE SLOPES FOR FOUR ON ONE OR WHATEVER. YOU CONSTRUCT A FIVE FOOT TALL BURN. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 20 TO 25 FOOT WIDE AREA WITH A, A LOT OF FILL. WELL, AND THERE'S, AND THERE'S ALREADY FIVE FOOT, I'M NOT SURE. THERE'S ALREADY FIVE FOOT GRADE ALREADY. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE MOST ATTRACTIVE. SO YOU GUYS COME UP WITH THE BEST PLAN AND VERB MAY NOT WOULD CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN ANYTHING. I THINK IT SEEMS VERB BACK THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. JU THAT MEANS THE 30 DAYS FOR THE COORDINATED REVIEW OF THIS COMING GONE. SO YES. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT EVEN, THE BOARD WOULD NOT EVEN BE PREPARED TO ISSUE A DETERMINATION. WE ARE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER GRAPHS OF ALL THAT. OKAY. FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AT WHATEVER MEETING THEY TABLE IT TO. I'M NOT SAYING THEY WOULD ACT ON IT THAT NIGHT, BUT AT LEAST HAVE ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS. THE DOCUMENTS ARE THE SEEKER PART TWO AND PART THREE, A DRAFT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH ANY CONDITIONS. AND THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS KIND OF A MOVE THING, BUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF IT. WHAT CONDITIONS ARE YOU GONNA PLACE TO TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND, AND WHAT CHANGES TO THE AND MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS? THE IMPACTS ARE NOISE, LIGHT AND VISUAL IMPACTS, WHATEVER, WHICH YOU'RE TRYING TO, CAN I MAYBE JUST CLARIFY? BIODEGRADABLE DOES NOT MEAN NOT HAZARDOUS, RIGHT? CAUSTIC IS HAZARDOUS TO WE, RIGHT? SO, SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT TO THE BOARD. RIGHT. SO ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, ALL THE, ALL THAT INFORMATION'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN. UM, IS IT THEN IMPOSSIBLE? WE CAN COME BACK THE FIRST MEETING OF APRIL, THE FIRST MEETING OF APRIL WE'RE FULL, BUT WE CAN COME BACK THE SECOND MEETING OF APRIL. THAT'S APRIL 19TH AND HAVE RESOLUTIONS DRAFTED. THAT DOESN'T MEAN NECESSARILY THAT WE'LL VOTE ON THEM. WELL, I MEAN, BUT YEAH. AND THAT'S FINE. BUT I MEAN, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING ON THE FRONT. WE'VE GOT LANDSCAPING IN THE BACK THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA CONSIDER. WE'RE GONNA GET THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NO, NO, NO. YOU'RE TALKING ALSO ABOUT POTENTIALLY REVISING THE VISUAL AESTHETIC THROUGH TRYING TO MATCH IT. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVEN'T STARTED THAT MM-HMM . SO WE'VE GOT AT LEAST THREE OUTSTANDING ISSUES. SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO GET THIS GOING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM PREPARED FOR THAT SECOND MEETING LATER. GREAT. TWO WEEKS. TWO WEEKS BEFORE THAT SECOND MEETING. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. WE ARE UNDER, SO, SO WE'RE, SO THIS, TO BUILD ON YOUR QUESTION. SO WE HAVE TO GET THAT UPDATED INFORMATION AT THE NEXT MEETING. WE'LL NEED PART TWO AND PART THREE OF SEEKER. ARE WE READY AS A BOARD TO REVIEW DRAFT RESOLUTIONS OR DRAFT PERMIT, OR DO WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THE SEEKER PROCESS AND MANAGE THESE ISSUES BEFORE WE GET TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS? WELL, I THINK THE CONDI THE DRAFT CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ARE HELPFUL FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR SEEKER DECISION BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE MITIGATING ANY POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENT. WE KNOW THERE'S POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS HERE. WE'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE THOSE THROUGH DESIGN CHANGES AND THROUGH CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, NOT MITIGATE, AVOID THEM. AVOID THEM. THANK YOU. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT MITIGATING AT THIS POINT. WE'RE, WE'RE AVOIDING BY MAKING CHANGES. THANK YOU. YEAH. THE REASON I'M AT THE SECOND WEEK OF APRIL IS WE HAVE CONTRACTUAL ISSUES THAT WE, ON OUR END, WE DO A DEAL WITH AS WELL. AND THAT'S WHY THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL IS FINE. AND WE WILL GET THE ADDITIONAL PLANS, THE ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THAT MEETING. IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED, DON'T MAKE THE DECISION. WELL, IS THE BOARD WE GOTTA VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA LIKE, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT WE GENERALLY VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA AUTHORIZE AND DO THE RESOLUTIONS. WHAT ARE, WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK? UM, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S FINE TO PREPARE THE RESOLUTIONS. I JUST, IF I'M NOT, IF WE'RE NOT READY TO VOTE ON WE WON'T, [02:15:01] WE WON'T APPROVE. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE PUTIN STREET 21 LLC AND AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S CONSULTANTS TO DRAFT A, UH, RESOLUTIONS TO BE RETURNABLE ON APRIL 19TH. SECOND. SO, MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. SO WE'LL SEE YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU TOO. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO AS I SAID EARLIER, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS TABLED. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLANNING BOARD ISSUE. FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT FOR PROPOSED PROJECT BY GLEN WETZEL TO BE CONSTRUCTED OUT OF PORTION OF APPROXIMATELY 42 AND A HALF ACRES OF VACANT LAND LOCATED AT ZERO BIG THREE ROAD AND ZERO LUC ROAD CRYSTAL WITH DESIGN ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. UH, WE WERE HERE LAST MEETING, WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE STUFF IN THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AND, UH, THINK TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA FINALIZE THAT DOCUMENT. I BELIEVE. I THINK THAT WE, WE HAVE TO STATUTORILY WE'RE OBLIGATED TO FINALIZE IT. SO, REAL QUESTION IS, UH, THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE SCOPING DOC DOCUMENT THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN INCORPORATED THAT EVERYBODY WANTED? THE COMMENT I HAD WAS ABOUT THE BILL STADIUM PROJECT AND THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS INTEGRATED IN MATCH THE OTHER, OTHER PROPERTY. I THINK THAT WAS, THEY EXPANDED THE SURFACE WATER AND INCLUDED NON-JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS, WHICH IS WHAT I ASKED FOR. SO, AND IF YOU, IF I FIND IT HERE, I HAVE A DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR THE DRAFT RESOLUTION BASICALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CONSIDERED THE DRAFT, YOU CONSIDERED ALL THE, ALL THE INPUT RECEIVED, YOU FORMULATED A FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT AND YOU'RE ISSUING THAT FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT. I AM, AND I DID TALK TO SEAN, WE ARE ISSUING IT WITH ONE CONDITION, TYPICALLY NOT DONE WITH A SPOKEN DOCUMENT, BUT WE HAD NOT HEARD FROM ALL THE OTHER AGENCIES YET. AND IT WAS OUR FAULT. IT GOT SENT OUT A LITTLE LATE. SO WE HAD HEARD FROM A BUNCH OF THEM TODAY. UM, BUT JUST A CONDITION THAT IF, AND SEAN AGREED TO IT, IF SOME LETTER COMES IN FROM SOME AGENCY SAYING, HEY, YOU MISSED THIS, THEY WILL INCORPORATE IT IN THE, IN THE DEIS. SO IF THAT'S OKAY, I SAID IF I CAN FIND A RESOLUTION, BUT THAT'S THE ESSENTIAL OF THE RESOLUTION IS THAT YOU HAD YOUR PUBLIC SCOPING, YOU HAD A DRAFT, YOU HAD YOUR PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING, YOU RECEIVED COMMENTS. THE PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THOSE COMMENTS AND THE DRAFT OF THE FINAL SCOPE, AND YOU'RE ISSUING THAT FINAL SCOPE WITH ONE CONDITION THAT IF WE RECEIVE ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM ANY AGENCY, THEY'VE AGREED TO ADDRESS THEM IN THE DEI. RIGHT. SO THE COMMENTS THAT CAME IN TODAY, YES. JOSH, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE COMMENTS THAT CAME IN TODAY? I, YEAH, WE GOT COMMENTS FROM DEC, UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE, THEY, THERE'S TYPICAL COMMENTS THAT THEY, UM, , UM, WE HAD COMMENTS FROM DOT. UM, SAME THING. UM, TYPICAL, RIGHT? THEY WANNA REVIEW THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. UM, AND THOSE ARE, BECAUSE WE RECEIVED TODAY, WHEN DID WE RECEIVE THE DRAFT, THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT? ORIGINALLY MY RESOLUTION, IT WAS IN THE NOTES. RIGHT. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR RESOLUTION. SO MAKE ONE UP. IF I COULD FIND MY RESOLUTION FEBRUARY. END OF FEBRUARY. END OF FEBRUARY. END OF JANUARY. YEAH. IT'D BE END OF JANUARY END. THAT WAS LIKE JUST, YEAH, BECAUSE WE, WE, WE HAD A MEETING ON MARCH 1ST. I FELL ASLEEP DURING THE LAST PRESENTATION TIME. RIGHT. HERE YOU GO. YOU GOT IT. ALRIGHT, BECAUSE I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO WRITE IT AND TRYING, I KNEW THE PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION WAS MARCH 1ST, BUT I KNOW GOT, I DID PUT THE DATE OF THE PUBLIC SCOPE THAT I DID. ALRIGHT, THAT THAT IS IN THERE. YEAH. YEP. ACTUALLY, SO ALL, SO I'M GONNA READ THIS RESOLUTION IF, UM, BECAUSE WE VOTE ON IT TODAY. SO LET'S REZONING SITE PLAN. WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAMMERED PLANNING BOARD ACTING AS SEEKER LEAD AGENCY ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION ON THE GLEN WETZEL PROJECT, PROPOSED REZONING AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT LOCATED OFF OF BIGTREE ROAD. AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT AND THE PLANNING BOARD HELD A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING ON MARCH 1ST, 2023, AND HAS RECEIVED INPUT FROM OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND INTERESTED AGENCIES. AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT [02:20:01] HAS COMPLETED THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT, THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUES THE FINAL SCOPING DOCUMENT AS AMENDED, BUT WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE ANY INPUT FROM OTHER INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES AND ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. SO THAT IS A MOTION BY BILL SECOND. SECOND BY CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL PUBLISH THAT DOCUMENT THAT YOU, THAT YOU RECEIVED AND REVIEWED AS THE FINAL SCOPE COPY TO THE APPLICANT AND OTHER PEOPLE. THE NEXT STEP IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT THE DRAFT EEIS. WE ARE STILL ALSO AWAITING THE DRAFT EIS ON THE PARKER ROAD PROJECT. WE MAY BE GETTING THAT PROBABLY AT THE SAME TIME, BUT , SO WE HAVE A LOT, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKELY THAT WE'LL GET HIM THE SAME TIME. YEAH, POTENTIALLY. I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA GUESS THAT THAT HAPPENS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU. WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE EASIEST ONE BY FAR. FOUR ON THE AGENDA. 7 1 6 STORAGE LLC REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF 71,400 SQUARE FOOT SELF STORAGE FACILITY ON VACANT LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF SOUTH PARK AVENUE AND SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. OKAY. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, CRYSTAL ELIZABETH CARWOOD, DESIGN AND ENGINEERING FOR THE PROJECTS. YOU KNOW, WE WERE HERE LAST MEETING, UH, SINCE THAT MEETING WE'VE MADE A COUPLE CHANGES AND WE DID REIT THE DRAWINGS. THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ON THE OUTDOOR STORAGE FOR THE RVS AND, AND VEHICLES. SO WHAT WE DID IS WENT BACK AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT AND WE ADDED ACTUAL INDOOR STORAGE BUILDINGS FOR THOSE VEHICLES. SO THERE'LL BE NO MORE OUTDOOR STORAGE AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL. SO I THINK THAT SIMPLIFIES THINGS A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE DON'T NEED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, CLEAN LOG. RIGHT. AND THOSE BUILDINGS HIT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. SO THOSE BUILDINGS DO MEET THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT. ABUTTING THE COMMERCIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE. THEY ALSO DO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE SCREENING OBVIOUSLY FROM, FROM INTO THE CAR WASH RIGHT'S DRIVING AN RV INTO THE CAR WASH. NO. SO AMENDED PLAN. IT'S OPEN. IT'S BEEN FOR A WHILE. CAR WASH, IT'S OPEN. MM-HMM . SEE THEY'RE SO LOW INTRUSIVE, THEY DON'T EVEN EVEN REALIZE THEY'RE THERE. WELL, I JUST, YOU KNOW, NO, DENNIS, MORE INFORMATION YESTERDAY WHEN I READ THIS DOCUMENT. SO BECAUSE THEY AMENDED THE PLAN, WE DID NOT PREPARE RESOLUTIONS FOR TONIGHT. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE REVIEWING NEW PLAN. YOU ALSO RECEIVED, WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARING PREVIOUSLY, BUT YOU DID RECEIVE THE COMMENT LETTER YOU ALSO HAVE, RIGHT? DID YOU GET A COPY OF THAT? OH YEAH. ALRIGHT. YEAH. YOU WANT US TO ADDRESS THAT? I MEAN, YES. DAVE FOR ONE OF THE OWNERS, OWNERS IS HERE. HE ACTUALLY HAS EXPERIENCE WITH JOSH BUS. WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS PROPAGANDA UNDER CONTRACT FOR THE SAME USE. RIGHT. AND THINGS DIDN'T WORK OUT. SO IT'S A LITTLE IRONIC THAT HE'S OPPOSING OUR USE OF THIS PROPERTY. WELL, HOW WE BREAK APART THAT LETTER A LITTLE BIT THEN. SO THE TWO THINGS, LEMME GRAB MY COPY. THE, THE, THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS THAT, THAT I TOOK FROM IT. UM, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE PARTS OF THE BUILDING THAT FRONT THE ROAD. WE HAVE ELEVATIONS. WE DID, WE SUBMITTED BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND WE DID. YEAH. AND ALSO WE DO HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING ALONG BAYVIEW AND ALONG THE, THE BASE OF, UH, THE ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM SOUTH PARK THAT WE THINK BREAKS UP THAT, THAT WALL CONSIDERABLY. AGAIN, I DUNNO IF YOU GUYS ARE, DO YOU THE ELEVATIONS? WHAT'S THAT? YOU HAVE THE ELEVATIONS? I DIDN'T BRING THE ELEVATIONS. I THINK THEY MADE MARK. YEAH, MARK HAS THOSE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF YOU KNOW WHERE HIS PROJECT IS. ARE YOU GUYS FAMILIAR WITH WHERE JOSH'S PROJECT IS IN RELATION TO THIS? NO. NO. THERE'S A PROPERTY ON THE CORNER AND I BELIEVE THERE'S A PROPERTY NEXT TO THAT. AND THEN HE BUILT SOME APARTMENTS FURTHER NORTH ON SOUTH PARK ACROSS FROM WHERE I, THE LIKE TOWN HALL BUILDINGS THIS HIGH ONE'S UP? YEAH. ACROSS FROM WHERE WE DID, UH, THE, THE ONES NEAR, THAT'S HE THE OTHER SIDE? YEAH. NO, NOWHERE, NOWHERE NEAR HILLS COLLEGE. OKAY. ON THE, THEY'RE REAL TALL, LIKE THREE STORY TOWN. THEY'RE LIKE BETWEEN WHERE SHAW AND SHAW LITTLE OFFICES IS LIKE THE SOKI BUILDING AND THEN THE CIRCLE THAT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE RIGHTS. SO THAT'S WHERE THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE SCHOOLHOUSE COMES INTO PLAY THEN BECAUSE WE DID MAKE HIM ADDRESS THE, HAVE IT HAVE IT MATCHED THE, SOME OF THE HISTORICAL ELEMENTS OF THE SCHOOLHOUSE OR AT LEAST WE TRIED TO WITH THOSE APARTMENTS. SO WE DID THAT WITH A CAR WASH TOO. WE ASKED THEM TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RELIEF AND RELIEF AND ADJUSTMENT TO HAVE IT WITH THE AESTHETICS. SO, ALRIGHT, SO WHY CAN YOU ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES? [02:25:01] I DUNNO IF I WANNA GET TOO FAR INTO WHO HAD IT UNDER CONTRACT AND WHY THEY'RE UNHAPPY ABOUT IT. HE NEVER HAD IT UNDER CONTRACT. SO, BUT THE AESTHETICS, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. I MEAN THIS IS THE PASS AROUND THIS, THIS ELEVATION AS IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THIS CORNER. SO I THINK IT SHOWS BOTH SIDES OF CONCERN. RIGHT. AND THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S ON HERE IS, IS THE ACTUAL LANDSCAPING WE'RE PROPOSING, IS THAT LANDSCAPING AT TIME OF PLANTING OR AT A CERTAIN GROWTH PERIOD OUT, UH, GRASS. I UM, THEY APPEAR TO BE AT THE SIZE AT THE TIME THEY PLANTED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT VERY, VERY LARGE TREES. SO THERE'S ALREADY WALL, NO, IT'S NOT THAT WALL AND IT'S GOT THE, THAT FOAM OR MAYBE REAL WOOD DETAILING. YEAH. BREAK IT UP. YOU BROKE UP THE RIGHT AND WE WERE AWARE BEFORE WE CAME THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE A BIG LONG WALL AND NOBODY'S GONNA WANNA LOOK AT THAT ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF BAYVIEW. SO THEY DID, THE ARCHITECT HAD PUT SOME EFFORT IN TO BREAK THAT UP. WHY IS THERE A FEDEX TRUCK? IS THAT JUST A, WHERE IS A, UH, LEGAL GLASS? HE'S GETTING HIS CARWASH CHECKING HIS STORAGE OR SOMETHING. I DUNNO. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT REALITY. NO, I MEAN THERE, THERE IS NO OBVIOUSLY DELIVERIES. I'M GREG. CHRIS BROUGHT THAT UP. WHENEVER WE HAVE BUILDINGS BACKING, YOU KNOW, ONTO A MAJOR HIGHWAY OR WHATEVER. YEAH. WE, WE TRY TO HAVE AND BREAK IT UP THROUGH LANDSCAPING AND, AND THE ARCHITECTS KNOW THIS BETTER, BUT WAYS OF BREAKING UP THE BUILDING SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE BACK OF A BUILDING. WE DID THAT ON THE PLAZA THAT EXISTS RIGHT NEXT TO THE TOWN HALL BECAUSE WE HAD THE BACK OF THE BUILDINGS FACING TOWN HALL. WE MADE THEM PUT DIFFERENT THINGS IN TO TRY TO BREAK UP THE MONOTONY. IT JUST LOOKING AT THE BACK OF A BUILDING. SO AGAIN, WE'VE HAD LIKE FAKE WINDOWS PUT IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND THINGS. WE'VE DONE ALL SORTS OF STUFF WITH THAT. YEAH, RIGHT. ARE THERE GONNA BE SIDEWALKS ALONG BAYVIEW? ALONG BAYVIEW THERE? THEY'RE NOT PROPOSED. UH, AND THERE'S NONE THERE CURRENTLY. BUT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ON . THERE IS SOUTH SIDEWALK ON SOUTHWESTERN. I, WE WILL HAVE CHECK THEM ALONG PICTURE ON THE SIDEWALK ISSUE. WE WILL HAVE TO CHECK THERE IS CURRENT PLANS SAFE MOVE TO SCHOOLS OF PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA AND I'LL HAVE TO SEE WHERE THE PLANS EXIST AND WHETHER THERE THEY'RE PART OF THAT. SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE PLANS HIGH SCHOOLS ON BAY, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? HIGH SCHOOLS ON BAYVIEW? YES. SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT SIDEWALKS ALONG BAYVIEW IF YOU'RE SAYING THERE ALREADY TO BE PLANS , THEY MAY ALREADY HAVE PLANS, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO INCORPORATE THEM. I'LL CHECK INTO THAT HAS A I FOR MONIES TO DO. THERE'S A PLANNING GOING ON FOR SIDEWALKS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN. THAT'S, THAT'S ON, UH, THAT'S ON AM IT'S NOT ON BAYVIEW. WHAT'S THAT? IT'S ON AM NOT BAYVIEW. IT'S THE MIDDLE. IT'S THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. OKAY. WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THE SIDEWALKS, NOT THE HIGH SCHOOL SIDEWALK BAYVIEW UP THE CURRENTLY. SO CONNECT TO THE CORNER. WELL, AFTER READING THIS LETTER AND LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE TWO DIFFERENT RIGHT. PROJECTS. WE AGREE. YEAH. WELL THAT'S, YEAH, I DIDN'T, WE WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK WE'D GET IT THIS FAR WITH, WITH JUST HAVING A BLANK WALL. YEAH. SO YEAH. ALRIGHT. I ASSUME THAT THAT'S ITEM NUMBER TWO, CORRECT? ON HIS LETTER. OH YEAH. ITEM DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER ONE THAT SAYS, IT SAID IN ODD ANGLE THE SOUTH PARK, THEY HAVE A BACK, BACK OF IT. THE SOUTH PARK ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THE FRONT OR BACK, BUT THE OFFICE PORTION IS HERE, WHICH I THINK IS THE MOST BROKEN UP PORTION ON, ON THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE BACK IS ACTUALLY FACING SOUTH PARK. I THINK MORE THE SIDE AND THE FRONT WOULD BE, SO WAS THE AUTHOR OF THE LETTER, THE, THE GUY WHO CAME THE LAST TIME THIS PROJECT WAS IN FRONT OF US? I, NO, I DON'T THINK HE WAS HERE, BUT BA HE'S BEEN IN FRONT OF US ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS. OKAY. SO HE, SO SO THE AUTHOR OF THE LETTER HAS, HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE HE SEEN THAT LETTER THAT HE WAS HERE FOR THIS SAME SELF STORAGE ON THING ON THE SAME PARCEL. AND I THINK, I THINK YEAH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN. I THINK HE MAY HAVE BEEN YEAH, IT WAS A DIFFERENT LOOKING AESTHETIC. COMPLETELY. YEAH. ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. WOULD'VE BEEN DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE. AND HE NEVER HAD SITE CONTROL EITHER. RIGHT. SO I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS HERE. ALRIGHT, NUMBER THREE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT, YEAH, NUMBER FOUR. HE'S SAYING THIS IS VERY LARGE IN COMPARISON TO TODAY'S NORMAL INDOOR STORAGE UNITS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT, IT'S 71,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT THE NET LEASE AREA IS ONLY GONNA [02:30:01] BE ABOUT 50 ONCE YOU TAKE OUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE COMMON HALLWAYS AND, AND WHATNOT INSIDE THE BUILDING. WELL, AND AS JENNIFER WILL ALWAYS REMIND US, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER MARKET FACTORS WHEN DETERMINING THESE TYPES OF THINGS. ANYWAY, SO AND SO THOSE JUST GONNA POINT OUT NORMAL ONES ARE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND. SO THEN THEY HAVE ABOUT 90,000 USABLE. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN WHAT THE TYPICAL LIFE STORAGE TYPE INDOOR STORAGE BUILDING WOULD BE. THE SMALLER THAN THE ONES THAT WOULD BE AT THE, UH, THE MCKINLEY PARK INN, UH, THAN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THAT BUILDING. NO. THAN THE ONES THAT WE APPROVED TO GO IN THERE. I THINK THE ONES THAT, YES, THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE THOUGH, RIGHT? IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE. BUT IS IT BIGGER OR SMALLER? THAT THAT'D BE BIGGER. THIS IS BIGGER. IT WOULD BE BIGGER. THIS IS BIGGER. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES. THEY HAVE THE GARAGE DOORS AND DIFFERENT, UH, AND THEN HE HAD COMMENTS ON OUTDOOR CAMPER PARKING, WHICH I THINK WE ADDRESSED THAT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE RIGHT, WITH THE TAKING, TAKING, GETTING RID OF THE OUTDOOR RIGHT THERE. STORAGE BUILDING. JUST TO REFRESH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST DECISION IS A SECRET DECISION. THIS WAS THE SUBJECT OF AN EIS AND A FINDINGS. WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST FOR THE THREE PREVIOUS PROJECTS IS THAT OBVIOUSLY THE SECRET FINDINGS DO NOT ADDRESS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE. WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT WITH THE ALTERNATIVE, WHICH IS ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. IF WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT, THAT'S WHY WE DID A COORDINATOR REVIEW TO GET INPUT FOR YOU. THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA SAY THIS ISN'T A CONFORMANCE WITH THE FINDINGS. I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE FINDINGS FOR THE ISSUES, BUT THE FINDINGS WERE FOR AN OFFICE MARK. I MEAN THIS IS, AS YOU KNOW, WE NOW HAVE THE REZONING DONE BY THE TOWN BOARD TO ALLOW A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE HAD OTHER CHANGES TO THE SITE, UH, AND WE'LL NOW HAVE A WAREHOUSE, UH, A LIFE STORAGE FACILITY. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION BEING A SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION. NOT A, NOT A, IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS. THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION THAT IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS. YOU CAN REFER, YOU HAVE COPIES OF THOSE FINDINGS, YOU CAN REFER TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THAT. BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE AN INDEPENDENT DECISION. THERE'S NO WAY I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU SAY THIS IS A PERFORMANCE WITH THE FINDINGS. IT'S THE FINDINGS FROM 2009 FOR THE HAMBURG CROSSINGS RETAIL CENTER. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY. THE HAMBURG, UH, WHAT WAS IT? THE, THE HAMBURG, UH, WAS IT HAMBURG CROSSINGS? NO BUSINESS. THAT WAS FIRST. THAT WAS CROSSINGS ENBERG BUSINESS PARK HAVE, YEAH, THAT'S WAS GONNA SAY RIGHT HERE WITH THE DATE OF, ORIGINALLY IT WAS AMENDED IN 2021. YOU SHOULD HAVE THE AMENDED FINDINGS THAT THE TOWN BOARD DID WHEN THEY DID THE REZONING. SO IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A COPY OF THIS, I WILL GET YOU A COPY OF THIS. I BELIEVE WE HANDED IT OUT LAST TIME, BUT I CAN SEND IT ELECTRONICALLY OR YOU SHOULD ADD ELECTRONICALLY. SO IT'S THE 2021 AMENDED FINDINGS FORM. YOU CAN USE THAT TO GET SOME, BUT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. SO, SO AMENDED THE FINDINGS BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY IF PRECLUDED CAR, CAR, SO WE AMENDED THE FINDING WEED. OUR CAR WASH DOESN'T AFFECT THIS, BUT RIGHT. BUT YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH THE REST OF THIS. I MEAN, YOU'LL SEE WHAT THINGS WERE CONSIDERED BACK THEN. AESTHETICS WAS AN ISSUE. AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE AESTHETIC ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT WE AMEND. YEAH, IT WAS, THERE WAS THEN THERE WAS A REZONE ACROSS THE STREET RIGHT IN THE HAMBURG BUSINESS PARK JUST SHORT WHILE AGO. AND YOU ASKED ME TO PRESENT YOU WITH AN OVERALL PLAN, WHAT WE HAD AND WE HAD, UH, MULTIFAMILY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND WE HAD SOMETHING THAT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THIS MM-HMM . MM-HMM . TRAFFIC. THIS IS GONNA GENERATE A LOT LESS TRAFFIC THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IN, IN THE PARK FOR THIS, THIS USE IS NOT A HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC GENERATOR. MM-HMM. BUT THERE WAS ISSUES OF NOISE. I DON'T THINK THIS A NOISE ISSUE, BUT IT IS KIND OF AN AESTHETIC ISSUE AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUB. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE ISSUE THAT MR. RAISED. IF I NEED A COPY OF THIS, I'LL, IF YOU COULD RESEND US THE 2021 YEAH. FINDINGS. I HAVE A LOT OF FINDINGS, BUT NOT, THIS IS THE AMENDED FINDING. THANK YOU. SHE CAN HAVE HER COPY IF SHE LIKES. OH, I'M SORRY. HEARD SOMEONE SAY THEY WANTED NO, CINDY SAID IT FIRST AND SHE'S WELCOME TO COPY. THAT'S MY BACK. THANK YOU. AND HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER. BUT NOW I SEE WHY I WAS SO CONFUSED BECAUSE I WAS READING OLDER THINGS THAT DID IN THE CAR WASH AND IT WAS LIKE SOMETHING ISN'T TRACKING FOR ME. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT DOCUMENT THAT THAT'S NOT WORKING. [02:35:05] ALL RIGHT. SO, SO WE GET A MODIFIED SITE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS A SIDEWALK. RIGHT. WE CAN ADD IT. IS IS THIS ONE ALREADY ON THE FIRST APRIL AGENDA? IS IT, I DON'T THINK IT IS. IT IS NOT. IT IS NOT. SO IT'LL BE SECOND APRIL. I'LL JUST THROW, THROW THIS OPEN TO THE BOARD. DO YOU THINK THAT THIS AESTHETIC MATCHES THE SCHOOLHOUSE IN A WAY? I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO BREAK UP AND WORK ON THE AESTHETIC WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. THIS IS NOT A SCHOOL HOUSE. I KNOW IT'S, YEAH. THIS IS NOT A SCHOOL HOUSE, BUT WE, WE'VE IMPOSED OR, OR WE'VE ASKED, I DON'T THINK WE SAID SCHOOL HOUSE. I THINK WE DIRECTED THEM THAT THAT WAS, I THINK MR. BEST USED THAT TERM. YEAH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS SOME REQUIREMENTS PLACED UPON THE, SO THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE NEAR THE SCHOOLHOUSE, WE DID IT. SO THAT'S WHY HE PROBABLY PUT IN HIS LETTER. SO HE'S LIKE, WHY ARE THE, WHY DID I HAVE TO DO IT FOR MY ONES THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BAYVIEW? AND THEY, AND WE DIDN'T ASK THIS PROJECT TO DO IT. SO WHAT WE DID ASK THOUGH IS THAT WE ASKED THE CAR WASH TO INCORPORATE MORE RESIDENTIAL AESTHETIC AND THEY ADDED LIKE THE PEAK IN THE GABLE AND THAT WAS LIKE A BIG, THAT'S THE ROYAL CAR WASH, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE WE WERE BACK AND FORTH AND REALLY, YEAH. OKAY. WENT BACK AND FORTH ON, SO WHILE I DON'T THINK THAT IT HAD A SPECIFIC SCHOOLHOUSE, BUT IT HAD TO BE CONFORMING AND MORE IN HARMONY WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES AND CONSIDERED MORE THAN THE ORIGINAL TRACTOR SUPPLY AESTHETIC THEY WERE TRYING TO GO FOR. OKAY. YEAH. NICELY PUT. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO THE AESTHETIC TO COORDINATE IT WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE CAR WASH? IS THAT SOMETHING I I MEAN, I THINK IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH DIFFERENT MIXES OF MATERIALS AND COLORS THAT DEFINITELY BREAKS IT UP. AGAIN, IT IS A BIG BUILDING IN THE WINDOWS AND IT IS A BIG YEAH. IN, IN THE WINDOWS AND DIFFERENT MATERIALS. THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE HAD THEM ADD IS LIKE A, A MIX OF ELEVATIONS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT. I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN YOU COULD PUT SOME SORT, SORT OF FAUX SECOND STORY ON PART OF IT, BUT I, I DUNNO THAT THAT ADDS TO ANYTHING RELATIVE. THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU DO THAT THEN IT LOOKS LIKE A SECOND STORY. YEAH. WITH A BUILDING THIS BIG AND YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE MASS OF THE BUILDING BIGGER IF YOU DO THAT RIGHT. YEAH. WHICH IS, I LIKE THE MIXED WITH THE WOOD AND THE WINDOWS AND THE BREAKING UP WITH THE TWO DIFFERENT, THERE'S LIKE, WHAT, AT LEAST FOUR DIFFERENT MATERIALS ON THE FRONT, INSIDE THE FACIAL. I THINK THE LANDSCAPING TOO. IT'LL BREAK IT UP A LOT ON THAT DEBUT ELEVATION. AND DID THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD COMMENT AT ALL ON THE SPECIES BLEND? I, I HAVEN'T SEEN A WHILE. NO. I MEAN THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS ARE USUALLY ABOUT THE SPECIES MIX RATHER THAN THE YEAH. WHEN OUR, WHEN WE HAD THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT DO IT, HE DID USE THE GUIDELINES FROM THE TOWN AND THE DIFFERENT SPECIES MIXES. AND THAT'S TYPICAL, OUR TYPICAL RESOLUTION OF SITE PLAN APPROVALS AT THE FINAL LANDSCAPE OF NFD APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE CONSERVATION COURT. SO WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. IF YOU WANNA ADD THAT AS A CONDITION IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA AUTHORIZE ME TO PREPARE RESOLUTIONS OR NOT. SO IS THAT QUITE CLEAR FOR THE, DID WE AUTHORIZE YOU TO HAVE RESOLUTIONS FOR THIS WEEK BUT YOU DIDN'T BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES? NO. RIGHT. THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DOING IT. I SAID TO SEAN THERE WASN'T ANYTHING OFFICIALLY IN THE MEETING MINUTES, BUT ONCE THEY SAID THEY WERE MAKING THIS CHANGE, WE WERE PREPARING SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVALS AND WHATEVER. SO OBVIOUSLY WE STOPPED DOING THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS THIS AMENDED PLAN. SO YOU SHOULD, I TOLD SEAN TODAY THAT THE BEST YOU WOULD GET TONIGHT IS AUTHORIZATION TO PREPARE THOSE RESOLUTIONS. CORRECT. ARE THERE ANY SEEKER ISSUES? UH, ANYTHING? LIKE I SAID THAT MOSTLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AESTHETICS, THERE'S NO NOISE TRAFFIC. THAT'S WHY I USED THOSE FINDINGS TO SEE WHAT THE ISSUES WERE. THERE WEREN'T ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT I SAW. THE ONLY, I THINK THE THING I SAID LAST TIME ABOUT THE FINDING STATEMENT IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE KNOW IN THE FINDING STATEMENT, THE TOTAL AND PURPOSE PERVIOUS SURFACE AND DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED. AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE LAST MEETING FOR THE WHOLE BUILD OUT OF THAT AREA RELATIVE TO WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH ALL THESE PROPOSED. AND WE CAN DO THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU. OKAY. AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDING, WE'RE JUST GONNA ISSUE A SEPARATE DECK DECK, BUT WE'LL LOOK INTO, YOU WANNA KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS SERVICE WAS PROPOSED IN THE ORIGINAL PARK VERSUS ARE WE STILL ALL IN CONSISTENCY WITH THE, THE FINDINGS FROM THE TOWN BOARD? IS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT I DON'T THINK THERE IS BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS A NUMBER OF VERY LARGE STRUCTURES WITH A LOT OF PARKING. RIGHT. BUT JUST THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS, AND IT WAS PRETTY STANDARD IN THE, IN THE FINDINGS. AND THE ORIGINALLY I ASKED [02:40:01] FOR CAMI WAS THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL SITE WAS GONNA HAVE ITS OWN DRAINAGE SYSTEM. SO, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T GONNA BE, THERE WAS A COMMENT OR WHATEVER. SO OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO MEET THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THE SITE OR DIFFERENT, WE'RE GONNA GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF PONDS IN THIS BUSINESS PART BECAUSE RIGHT. AND UTIL UTILITY USAGE, OBVIOUSLY FOR THOSE BUILDINGS WERE LESS THAN WHOLE BUNCH OF BUILDINGS. YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA GET PONDS IN THIS BUSINESS? YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA BE NO CANMY. WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE GONNA THE PLANT? WELL, SO WHEN THIS WAS DEVELOPED, IT WAS PUT IN THE FINDING STATEMENT THAT EACH SITE HAD TO ADDRESS STORMWATER INTERNALLY. MM-HMM . SO IS YOU SEE, IF YOU GO TO THE CAR WASH, THERE'S, THERE'S STORMWATER DE DETENTION, UM, IS A POND. THERE'S USUALLY BY RETENTION AS WELL. UM, THE INITIAL PLANS ARE SHOWING SORT OF THESE I THINK TWO AREAS. YEAH. TWO AREAS, SORT OF EACH END ON EACH END. WE DON'T HAVE DRAINAGE PLANS YET. OF COURSE WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DETAILS. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE FOR THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE TO HAVE, UM, TO MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS. AND IN MOST CASES IT ENDS UP AT LEAST SOME POND, SOME FORM OF POND. I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO NOTE WHERE THOSE TWO FACILITIES ARE LOCATED ON THE PLAN THAT WE TEND TO GET PEOPLE SAYING THEY CAN BE NOT THE MOST AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THINGS, BUT THESE ARE DRY PONDS WITH A WETTED FORD BAY OR SOMETHING? NO, BY BIORE BIO RETENTION WITH A DRY DETENTION BASIN. OKAY. I'M, I'M OUTSIDE OF MY , SO THEY SHOULD BE DRY MOST, MOST OF THE TIME. THE GREEN TWIRLING. UM, WHETHER THEY CAN HOLD THEM PLANTS OR THINGS LIKE I'M, I I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING AND LIKE KIND OF LAND. COULD YOU FILL IN SOME OF THOSE OPEN? YEAH. IS THERE, IS THERE, IF WE WERE COMING BACK TO US WITH IDEAS ANYWAY, IS THERE A WAY TO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN GRASS, LIKE A RAIN GARDEN OR SOME PERENNIALS OR LIKE, DO THE PONDS HAVE EV EMERGENT VEGETATION AT ALL? IS THAT POSSIBLE? OR THEY'RE JUST LIKE THE DEPRESSIONS THAT ARE DRY MOST OF THE TIME? WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOBILE, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOBILE. I MEAN THE BI, THIS IS THE CAR WASH, RIGHT? MM-HMM . THESE WILL BE SIMILAR. THERE'S A BI RETENTION AREA THAT'S UPSTREAM OF DETENTION BASIN. MM-HMM . RIGHT. RETENTION BASIN. SO THIS HAS BI RETENTION SOIL AND IT'S GRASS. SO THEN THE WATER SOAKS DOWN THROUGH. YEP. AND SO IT DOES PROVIDE SOME AMOUNT OF TREATMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF, SAME AS THE RING GARDEN WITH MM-HMM . WE HAVE DONE BIO RETENTION WITH PLANTS IN EM AND YOU PUT PLANTS THAT ARE WATER TOLERANT IN THERE. MM-HMM . IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER, THEY DIE. RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY WATER FOR POSSIBLY A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS. OKAY. THAT'S COOL. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK WHAT JEFF AND I WERE JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS CORNER RIGHT, IS JUST, WHICH THE CORNER THAT YOU GAVE US. SO I THINK LIKE THE OPEN, YEAH, THE OPEN CORNER. IT'S JUST A LOT OF GRAPHS AND IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO SEE. IT'S NOT UNATTRACTIVE. IT'S QUITE NEAT AND TIDY AND LOVELY TO LOOK AT. BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE LOVELY IF THERE COULD BE, LIKE I SAID, LIKE A RAIN GARDEN OR A VARIATION OR FLOWERS OR SOMETHING CAN ALWAYS SUPPORT POLLINATORS. SOMETHING. BUT YEAH, JUST, JUST IN GENERAL, IF IT'S FEASIBLE KNOW, WE CAN SAY MAYBE WE CAN PUT A FLANKING BED IN HERE. I KNOW THAT THIS IS THE LOWEST MAINTENANCE AND IT CERTAINLY LOOKS NEAT AND LOVELY AND THOSE BUSHES WOULD JUST MAKE TREIER. BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME VARIATION IF WE CAN, WE CAN MAYBE PUT A PLANTING AREA IN HERE THAT HAS SOME FLOWERS. YEAH. SOMETHING THAT HAS LIKE FLOWERING. YEAH. JUST PERENNIALS THROWING IT OUT THERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE THINKING TOO? YEAH. JUST ALSO JUST TO BREAK UP THAT OPEN GREEN. OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT IT'S IN SUCH A PROMINENT PLACE FOR THE YEAH, I GET IT FOR THE PROJECT. OKAY. VOTE FOR NATIVE PLANTS. ALWAYS NATIVE. OKAY. YEAH. WE'LL PUT SOMETHING IN THIS AREA FOR, SO ARE WE TABLING THIS FOR, UH, NEXT MEETING, BUT THE MEETING AFTER THAT? ARE WE FILLING UP THAT MEETING NOW? UM, AND THEN WE STILL GOT SPACE ON THAT MEETING. MIDDLE, MIDDLE OF APRIL. YEAH. 19TH OF APRIL. RIGHT. 16TH OF APRIL. SO, UM, WE CAN PREPARE RELU. THERE'S ONLY TWO RESOLUTIONS, UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET THOSE AMENDED PLANS IN A COUPLE WEEKS AHEAD SO THEY CAN SEE THOSE BY THE, BY APRIL 1ST WEEK OF APRIL. SO THEY CAN SEE THOSE PLANS. YEP. SIDEWALK AND THE AMENDED LANDSCAPING. RIGHT. APPROVED LANDSCAPING. YOU'RE OKAY ON THE FACADE? WELL, IT'D BE MORE JUST A FEATURE LANDSCAPE ON THAT CORNER IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. NOT, NOT, NOT A WHOLE, YEAH, NOT A WHOLE WHOLE LINE. JUST A, YEAH, ITS JUST A, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL THAT MIGHT THE OVERALL LANDSCAPING PLAN TO SHOW THE REVISED SITE PLAN ANYWAYS WITH THE ENCLOSED. YEAH. I JUST DIDN'T [02:45:01] PRINT IT OUT. I FORGOT. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 7 1 16 STORAGE LLC TO APRIL 19TH. SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. ALL FINAL ITEM ON AGENDA IS LAST CAR WASH REQUESTING SITE PLAN DIRECTIONS PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE FORMER TJ FRIDAY'S BUILDING AND CONSTRUC A NEW CAR WASH FACILITY AT 3 7 0 1 MCKINLEY. GOOD EVENING. ANTHONY PANDOLFI WITH CARINA WOOD DESIGN PROJECT ENGINEER. ALSO HERE TONIGHT IS JEFF ARNOLD REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. UM, WE'RE HERE FOR REVIEW OF A SINGLE TUNNEL CAR WASH. UH, THE CAR WASH INCLUDES 24 VACUUM STALLS AND 39 QUEUING SPACES. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT 37 0 1 MCKINLEY PARKWAY, AS WAS MENTIONED, THE FORMER TGI FRIDAYS. THAT, UH, EXISTING BUILDING WILL BE DEMOLISHED. SO 1.84 ACRE PARCEL ZONE C TWO. THE COMMERCIAL CAR WASH IS PERMITTED UNDER THE C TWO ZONING WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WE HAVE SUBMITTED THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH OUR SITE PLAN APPLICATION. UH, WE FIRST CAME IN FRONT THE BOARD BACK IN OCTOBER FOR SKETCH PLAN. A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING. UM, ONE WAS REGARDING THE VACUUM STALLS WE DID SUBMIT. UM, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE GOT A, UH, SCHEMATIC OF IT IS FROM A DIFFERENT PROJECT, BUT IT WILL BE THOSE SAME TYPE OF UNITS JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE VACUUM UNITS LOOK LIKE. UM, THE OTHER THING WAS, UM, TRAFFIC. UM, WE DID SUBMIT, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE GOT THIS AS WELL. THIS IS FROM THE EXISTING SPLASH CAR WASH LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF YOUNGS AND MAINE IN THE TOWN OF AMHERST. UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR AT ALL WITH THAT INTERSECTION, IT'S A PRETTY PROMINENT INTERSECTION. WHAT WE SUBMITTED WAS AN HOURLY BREAKDOWN OF THEIR AVERAGE CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS FOR THE, UH, 2022 YEAR. UM, THOSE AVERAGES CAME OUT TO ABOUT 264 CARS A DAY. WE WOULD NOT EXPECT QUITE THAT MANY, UM, AT THIS LOCATION. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS THE, UM, THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT HOURLY, UM, UH, REPORTS. THE, THE PEAK SEEMS TO OCCUR, UH, BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11 AND 4:00 PM UM, SO THAT PEAK DOES NOT COINCIDE WITH YOUR TYPICAL RUSH HOUR, MORNING AND PM RUSH HOURS. UM, AND A BIG PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS THIS. UM, CAR WASH IS LARGELY SUBSCRIPTION BASED, MEANING IT'S A LOT OF, UM, LOCAL PEOPLE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND THEY'RE GONNA GO WHEN IT'S A CONVENIENT FOR THEM. AND B, WHEN THEY KNOW TRAFFIC WILL BE AT A MINIMUM. UM, THAT'S THE TYPE OF, UH, TRAFFIC WE USUALLY SEE WITH THESE CAR WASHES. UM, UM, ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP AS SKETCH PLAN WAS SOUND. WE ALSO SUBMITTED A, UM, SOUND FIGURE FOR THE TURBINES THAT ARE BEING USED FOR THESE VACUUM, FOR THESE, UH, VACUUM UNITS. UM, AND BASED ON THAT FIGURE AT ABOUT 30 FEET FROM THESE TURBINES, YOU'RE GETTING, UM, YOU'RE GETTING A SOUND OF ABOUT 38 DECIBELS, WHICH WE ALSO SUBMITTED A CHART THAT KIND OF COMPARES THAT FOR YOU. SO 38 DECIBELS IS JUST BELOW WHAT YOU WOULD HEAR FOR A RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL AREA AT NIGHT, ABOUT 40 DECIBELS. SO, UM, THESE ARE PRETTY EFFICIENT TURBINES AND THEY REALLY, UM, REDUCE NOISE. THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS SITE IS IT'S SMACK DAB IN THE CENTER OF A, UM, COMMERCIAL, LARGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO WE ARE NOT NEAR ANY RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTIES. UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA JUST IGNORE SOUND. WE ARE PROVIDING, UM, HIGHLY EFFICIENT TURBINES. THEY'RE GONNA BE LOCATED HERE AND HERE ON SITE. SO THAT 30 FOOT RADIUS I MENTIONED, 38 DECIBELS AT 30 FEET, THOSE, UM, THOSE WON'T EVEN EXTEND TO THE, TO OUR PROPERTY LINES SO THAT THAT NOISE WILL BE QUITE, UH, QUITE SMALL FOR THE, UH, A ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. AND THEN A COUPLE, COUPLE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION. UM, THE PROPERTY, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE, IT IS COMPLETELY PAVED. IT'S PAVED PARKING LOT BUILDING. THERE'S BESIDES THE, UM, THE BERM HERE IN THE FRONT, THERE'S REALLY NO GREEN SPACE ON SITE. WE ARE ADDING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE. UM, IN FACT THE IMPERVIOUS REDUCTION ON THE SITE IS, UH, [02:50:01] ABOUT 30%, WHICH IS, UH, QUITE SIGNIFICANT. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS AGENCY APPROVALS, UM, WE'VE SENT THIS OUT TO, UM, ERIE COUNTY SEWER. THEY'VE REVIEWED AND ISSUED SOME MINOR COMMENTS. UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ADDRESSING THOSE, UM, WITH ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY. THE EXISTING FRIDAYS IS TAPPED OFF OF THE MALL SERVICE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE SERVICE. UM, SO THAT'LL TAKE, UM, COORDINATION WITH, UM, THE MCKINLEY MALL SERVICE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL ALLOW US TO RE KEEP USING THAT TAP. IF NOT, WE WILL HAVE TO TAP OFF OF MCKINLEY, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD MAKE OUR BACKFLOW APPLICATION TO THE WATER AUTHORITY. UM, AS FAR AS ANY OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS BESIDES, UM, THOSE TWO, THE ONLY OTHER ONE WOULD BE WE ARE DISTURBING OVER ACRE. SO WE DID PREPARE A SLIP AND WE WOULD SUBMIT THAT TO UH, DEC ONCE IT'S APPROVED, UH, TO OBTAIN THE SPEEDIES PERMIT. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I CAN ANSWER THEM. WE WANTED, WE CALLED YOU ON THIS ONE. WE HAD A PROJECT PROPOSED PREVIOUSLY ON THIS SITE AND WE GOT ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH REVIEW. WE GOT ALL THE WAY THROUGH, REVIEW ALL THE WAY THROUGH, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT APPROVED BY CONTROL OF THE MALL HAS FINAL SAY ON WHAT GOES ON THIS SITE AND TOLD THAT APPLICANT HE COULD NOT GO ON THAT SITE. I BELIEVE JEFF COULD SPEAK TO THAT. YEP. IF I CAN, UM, JEFF ARNOLD, THIS WHY CAR WASH? UM, ANTHONY, THANK I JUST, I'M GONNA SPEAK ONE MORE CANDIDLY ABOUT CAR WASHES AND THE REALITY OF NOISE, WATER, SEWER, SOAPS AND THIS PROPERTY MATTER. UM, I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR, FOR 23 YEARS. I THINK MOST OF THE CAR WASHES NOWADAYS COMING ABOUT, I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS TWO OR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, OWNED BY LARGE PE FIRMS AND SO FORTH. SO THIS IS WHAT WE DO IN CONJUNCTION, I WAS WITH THE STATE POLICE FOR 28 YEARS DURING THAT TIME. SO I JUST WANNA GIVE THE TRUE FACTS OF THE MATTER KIND. WE'RE TALKING ALL THIS TECHNICAL STUFF HERE. THE SITUATION, FIRST OF ALL, WITH THE MALL, THIS SITE HERE DOES NOT NEED APPROVAL FROM ANYONE BUT THE MALL. UH, AND WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT TO OUR LEGAL TEAM. WE DON'T NEED ANY AUTHORIZATION FROM ANY OTHER NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS. THERE WAS A DIFFERENT PROPERTY AND A DIFFERENT SITUATION, SO IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE TECH SURE. WAS GET THROUGH, CORRECT? WHAT'S THAT? THAT WAS TIER ONE, CORRECT? YEAH. SO, OKAY. I, I GUESS THE FIRST THING I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS WHEN WE LOOK AT LOCATIONS NOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A LEARNING CURVE, RIGHT? WE, WE'VE GROWN OUR BUSINESS OVER THE YEARS. WE KNOW, WE LOOK AT SITES LIKE THIS LOCATION HERE, COMMERCIAL 100%, NO NEARBY RESIDENT, NO INTERFERENCE OF NOISE, SOUND LIGHTS, SPILLAGE FROM HEADLIGHTS FROM THE PROPERTY, UH, LIGHT POSTS, SIGNAGE AND SO FORTH THAT YOU BROUGHT UP. THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT EVERY SITE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DESIGNED ANY SITE WITH LESS THAN 35 STACK. AND I THINK WE ALL WENT BY CAR WASHES TODAY THAT WERE BACK OUT ONTO THE PUBLIC ROADWAYS. I CAN'T THINK OF A SITE THAT WORKS BETTER THAN THIS. WE WE'RE GONNA BRING 'EM OFF THE PUBLIC ROAD ONTO A PRIVATE ROAD. WE HAVE STACKING FOR ALMOST 40 CARS ON THIS SITE. WE'RE NOT GONNA EVER BACK UP ONTO A PUBLIC ROADWAY. WE TALK ABOUT THE PREPPING OF VEHICLES. WE, UNLIKE MOST CAR WASHES, DO NO PREPPING OUTSIDE. SO OUR PREPPING UNIT IS AN AUTOMATED PREPPING UNIT, 50 FEET INSIDE THE BUILDING. SO THAT SPRAY WASH, SOAP, WATER OILS COME UP, THE CAR THAT ARE RUNNING OFF ON THE PAVED AREA OUT FRONT IN THIS AREA, GOING TO THE GROUND, NEVER HAPPENED ON OUR WASH. EVERY BIT IS CONTAINED INSIDE THE WASH. UH, I KNOW TO AVERAGE PERSON YOU LOOK AT, IT'S NO BIG DEAL. BUT IF YOU SEE, AND AGAIN, FROM LEARN EXPERIENCES, WHY WE DON'T PREP OUTSIDE OF OUR NEW LOCATION, WHY WE CHOOSE TO DO AN AUTOMATED PREP AND INSIDE TO CONTAIN EVERY BIT OF THE SOAP WATER, EVERY BIT OF THE, UM, RUN OFF OUT THE CARBS, THE DIRT, THE GRIME, THE GREASE, ANYTHING THAT'S TRAPPED. THE VACUUM CENTERS, AS ANTHONY TALKED ABOUT, WE USE VACUUM TECH. THEY'RE THE MOST STATE-OF-THE-ART, THE QUIETEST VACUUMS ON THE MARKET. WE HAVE NO ISSUE IN ANY TOWN. AND IF YOU LISTEN TO 'EM, IF YOU STOOD NEXT TO 'EM, YOU WOULD LITERALLY SAY, OH, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA START IT UP? AND THEY'RE RUNNING, THEY RUN AT 38 DECIBELS, WHICH IS LESS THAN MY VOLUME, MY VOICE RIGHT NOW. UM, WE USED RUN SINGLE CANNON MOTOR BACKS OR CHEAPER VERSIONS OF A, OF A VACUUM SYSTEM THAT WILL MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SINGLE VACUUMS WOULD GET UP TO A HUNDREDS PER VACUUM. SO OPPOSED TO THAT, [02:55:01] WERE RUNNING THESE SILENT MOTORS AND THEY ARE TRULY AS CLOSE AS SILENT AS YOU'RE GONNA GET IN A BATHROOM SYSTEM. BUT THE REALIZATION IS THE NOISE THEY HEAR GENERATORS WAS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER COMES FROM THE EXIT SIDE OF THE TUNNEL OF A WASH, IS THAT'S WHERE YOUR BLOWERS, YOU KNOW, WE CALL 'EM DRYERS, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY A BLOWER THAT'S MOW THE CAR OFF. BUT, AND, AND I'M SURE AS YOU, YOU ATTEST EARLIER THAT THIS IS A COMMON THEME IN THE CONCERNS OF TOWNS. SO WITH, WITH US IN THE WAY WE'RE SITUATED HERE, NO RESIDENTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHATSOEVER THAT WHO, THAT, THAT HUMMING NOISE THAT KICKS ON AND ANNOYS THE NEIGHBORS. THERE IS NO NEIGHBORS INNO HERE. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PICK AREAS THAT WORK WELL AND FIT THE TOWN AND DESIGN BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A LOOK THAT THAT ISN'T JUST A, A, A PRIMITIVE OLD CAR WASH BLOCK BUILDING LOOK ANYMORE. UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE TO, TO COVER MORE OF THE, LIKE MOST CAR WASHES WE RUN, YOU KNOW, THREE, THREE PAY STATIONS. UH, SO WE CAN GET CARS THROUGH EFFICIENTLY. THERE IS CAR FROM THE TIME IT GETS TO THE FRONT BEGINNING OF THE WASH, IT COMES UP THE END. IT'S APPROXIMATELY ONE MINUTE. I MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN FOR YOU. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE MALL. WE KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, BUT CAN YOU FIT A SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE ROAD AND MAYBE THE FRONT IN CASE SOMETHING GOES IN THE MALL WHERE PEOPLE HERE FRONT? YEAH, YEAH, RIGHT THERE. ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT, SO THE ONLY, I JUST, I JUST WANNA JUMP IN. WE ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY DID ADD A SIDE THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT. I DID ADD A SIDEWALK AND I WAS GETTING READY FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT AND I REALIZED THIS SIDEWALK WAS ADDED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. THAT'S NOT A RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S PROPERTY. SMALL PROPERTY. SMALL PROPERTY. WE DO HAVE A SIDEWALK ALONG MCKINLEY. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO KEEP THAT. BUT THIS IS THIS, ALONG THE ROAD THERE IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. SAME WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST THE SAME AS IF YOU'RE, WE WOULD BE A, A SIDEWALK ON A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. MCKINLEY'S LIKE A DITCH. YEAH. SO I MEAN, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO KEEP THIS SIDEWALK ALONG MCKINLEY, AS WAS REQUESTED. UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE CAN REALLY DO ON THIS SITE. THIS YOU GUYS GO RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH. SO, SO THAT'S, WE WOULD, WE WOULD GO RIGHT UP TO THAT PROPERTY LINE ALL THE WAY TO OUR NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU JUST SHOW THE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING? CAN YOU JUST POINT YEAH. SO I HAD ADDED A SIDEWALK ALONG HERE AS WELL, UP TO THIS CORNER. AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS NOT A RIGHT OF WAY. THIS IS AN ADJACENT PARCEL IS IS A DIFFERENT PARCEL. THIS IS NOT OUR PROPERTY LINE. AND SO THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE OUT FRONT HERE IN THE RENDERING ON, SO IF WE GO ONTO THE RENDERING, IT WOULD BE OUT IN THIS AREA ALONG. SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE ALONG HERE IF THIS, THIS WOULD BE MCKINLEY. WE WOULD HAVE A SIDEWALK ALONG MCKINNEY FROM, FROM THIS PROPERTY LINE TO OUR NORTHERN PROPERTY. AND THAT'S ON YOUR, IN, WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY, SO YOU NO, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S MCKINLEY. YES. WHICH IS STATE AT THAT LOCATION OR STILL COUNTY. I THINK THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD, RIGHT? WE ARE IN MOST OF MCKINLEY IS COUNTY, BUT IT STATE, I THINK IT'S SO YOU HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FROM THEM TO PUT THAT SIDEWALK IN. I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT THE, THE SIDEWALK HERE IS ALREADY IN, WE CAN'T BUILD THIS UP ON MCKINLEY INTO THIS AREA BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN THIS PROPERTY. YEAH, RIGHT. THIS IS ALL WE DON'T OWN. IT'S ALREADY A SIDEWALK. YEAH. AND THERE'S ALREADY A SIDEWALK. YOU KNOW, THE, THE REALIZATION, THE REALIZATION OF THIS LOT, IT'S, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT. IT'S ALREADY PLAN. OH, OKAY. A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF MONEY PURCHASING THIS, UM, WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO GET THE APPROVALS OF THE MALL AND SO FORTH. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S KIND OF IN THAT TRANSITIONAL THING NOW THAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE NEXT OWNER TO BUY THE MALL AND BLOCK THIS WHOLE THING UNTIL THIS PROJECT OFFICE IS NOT APPRO TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS ALL MAY BE, I MEAN IT'S, IT'LL BE ANOTHER LEGAL SHIFT. DEFINITELY THE EASIER NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A CAR WASH THAN SOME OF THE OTHER, THERE'S NO NEIGHBORS. RIGHT. THE ONLY TIME I HAVE TO MENTION MAINE AND YOUNGS, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT, THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT THE PURPLE NEON LIGHTS LONG. RIGHT? YEAH. BECAUSE WE HAD TO STOP THE OTHER CAR WASH. WE HAD TO ENFORCE IT. THE FACT THAT WE DON'T WANT ANY NEON BRIGHT LIGHTS. I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT ALL, ALL SITE THAT WAS AMHERST WANTED THAT. YEAH, THEY WANTED THAT TYPE OF LIGHT. THEY WANTED IT REALLY STAND OUT. THE [03:00:01] ONE IN THE AM THEY LIT UP RED GREEN AT CHRISTMAS TIME, I THOUGHT. RIGHT. . BUT ANYWAY, THEY'RE SAYING THAT AGAIN. LIGHTING IT, SUBDUED LIGHTING. YEAH. BETTER LOOKING BUILDING. I KNOW, JEB, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE OTHER CAR WASH. IS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VIEWS FROM, IT WOULD BE REVIEWS FROM MCKINLEY. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE WHATEVER. MAKE SURE THAT THE VIEWS FROM MCKINLEY ARE YEAH. SO THE VISIBILITY ISSUE, I MEAN DOESN'T, AT LEAST FROM THE RENDERING YOU'RE SHOWING NOW DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ADDRESSED REALLY AT ALL. I MEAN THERE'S REQUIREMENTS. WELL, I DON'T THINK THE RENDERING IS EXACT TO OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OR BUILDING ARCHITECT TOGETHER. SO HE WANTS TO SHOW OFF HIS WORK BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG WORK. EXACTLY. , LET'S SEE. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE LOOKED, HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN. I MEAN WE DO PROVIDE SOME DECIDUOUS TREES IN THIS AREA, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A NICE CORNER OF GREEN SPACE HERE. WE CERTAINLY CAN ADD MORE TREES. UM, WOW. JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU GUYS LIKE SHRUBS. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SHRUBS, EVERGREENS, DECIDUOUS? WHAT KIND OF THINGS WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR? A MIX. MIX OF LITTLE MIX. A MIXTURE. A MIXTURE, OKAY. BECAUSE LIKE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA A, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THE CODE SAYS, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE, SO WE DON'T WANT COMPLETELY BLOCK IT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY ADD SOME MORE LANDSCAPING. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED LIKE A WALL OF TREES. IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO SEE SOME VARIATION. RIGHT. LIKE SOME SHRUBS. I'M NOW ON POLLINATOR GARDEN KICK, SO I WOULD LOVE SOME PERENNIALS. UM, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SCREENING, BUT IT IS TRICKY, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOT ON THIS RENDERING. IS THAT DITCH INTO MCKINLEY? THERE'S SIDEWALK THERE'S PROBABLY, YEAH. LEGITIMATE SPACE ISSUES. I THINK THE, YEAH, THAT WAS MORE, I THINK JUST TO GET A VIEW OF THE BUILDING. MM-HMM . UM, NOT NECESSARILY ACCURATE TO ALL THE DETAILS OF THE SITE, BUT, UM, WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN GET A RENDERING A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE TO WHAT WE PROPOSED FOR LANDSCAPING. AND YOU SAID THE ELEVATION CHANGE THERE? YEAH, IT'S A GOOD FIVE OR SIX FEET. I BELIEVE. IT'S LIKE A DITCH. THERE'S A DITCH. GREAT PLACE COMES RIGHT OFF. YEAH. NO, IT'S NOT MCKINLEY GARBAGE. YEAH. THAT'S GREAT. SO AGAIN, YOU WOULD BE TABLING THIS AND AUTHORIZING US TO PREPARE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR WHENEVER YOU PLACE THIS ON AN AGENDA. THE RESOLUTIONS WOULD BE SEEKER SPECIAL USED PERMIT, AND THIS ONE JUDGE SEEKER SPECIAL USED PERMIT AND PRICE PLAN APPROVAL. YOU SAW THE REQUIRED, WHEN YOU MAKE SPECIAL PERMIT DECISION, THERE'S THE FOUR GENERAL CRITERIA AND THEN THE, THE, THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR A CAR WASH. SO WE COULD WRAP THOSE UP TO GET YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT, MAKE SURE IT PRESSURES YOUR CONCERN. I'D, I'D LIKE TO JUST SHARE THROUGH IT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO DO DIFFERENTLY. I WE'RE TOTALLY OPEN. WE'RE WE ARE THE, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD FIND AN EASIER COMPANY TO GET ALONG WITH. YOU KNOW, I, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO COME HERE AND SAY THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE DONE. IT'S WHERE WE WANT. UM, I THINK OUR, OUR 20, MY 25 YEARS IN BUSINESS AND DOING THIS, IT, IT MAKES YOU, UH, REALIZE THAT WE HAVE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS HERE FOR EVERYBODY. AND IF THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN, IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE CUSTOMER WITH, BECAUSE IF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AREN'T HAPPY WITH NOT GONNA BE CUSTOMERS, OUR OUR GOAL IS TO BRING HAPPY CUSTOMERS THAT THEY COME AND THEY LEAVE AND THEY WANNA COME BACK AGAIN. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A FIXED OPINION ON IT YET, BUT, UH, HOW, YOU KNOW, COMMITTED ARE YOU TO THE AESTHETIC OF THE BUILDING, THE COLOR SCHEME? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT COULD BE MODIFIED HYPOTHETICALLY? WELL, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A, IT'S GOT TO BE A KIND OF A TRADEMARK THAT'S FLASH. AND SO THESE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT IDEAS. UM, YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS, SO THIS IS KIND OF A ROUND VERSION. UM, THIS IS, THESE ARE ACTUALLY JUST, THIS ONE'S PHYSICAL BECAUSE WE'RE AT A 24 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT. SO ANYTHING WE HAVE TO DO TO TRY TO CATCH CUSTOMER'S ATTENTION, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF GOING, LIKE MOST COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, 30, 35, 40 FEET TALL. SO WE'RE AT A 24 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT BASED UPON A DE RESTRICTION. AND, UH, SO THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS, YOU SEE HERE IS THIS ONE JUST HAS A RADIUS DROP AND THIS ONE HAS COMPLETE DROP. WHEN YOU SAID MOST YOUR, NOT AT THIS ONE, NO. BUT, UM, YOU SAID MOST OF YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE SUBSCRIPTION ANYWAYS, RIGHT? EUROPEAN VEHICLE DRIVERS MOST EARLIER. YEAH. I, I WOULDN'T SIT, I WOULDN'T SAY, I WOULDN'T SAY, I MEAN MOST MEAN MORE THAN 50%. YES, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY, BUT YOU DO GET, SURE. I MEAN, I WOULD THINK WE'RE PROBABLY IN THAT 55, 45, 50 40 OR FI 40 60 TYPE RATIO. BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I THINK I DO LIKE THE FEATURES BETTER THAN THE AROUND ROOF, BUT GOOD. WELL THAT'S [03:05:01] KIND OF WHERE WE'VE GONE WITH ALL OUR LOCATIONS NOW. WE'VE GOT RID OF THE RADIUS. IT'S DIFFICULT WITH SNOW LOADS AND ESPECIALLY BUFFALO. IT'S LOT SNOW IN THOSE, THOSE VALLEYS. THOSE RADIUSS IS PRETTY, THE COLORS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT TOO. THIS IS WHAT WE HAD PRESENTED AT SKETCH PLAN. I HAVE, I HAVE THE ACTUAL COLOR IF YOU LOOK THE ACTUAL YEAH. OH YEAH. LOOK, HE'S GOT 'EM RIGHT. LOOK AT, BECAUSE EVEN THE, EVEN THE ROUNDED ROOF PROBABLY LOOK BETTER IN THAT COLOR. SO, SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE GRAY STONE THAT WOULD BE ON THE BUILDING. IT'S THAT MIXTURE OF COLORS. IT'S LIKE, THIS IS OUR BLUE ROOF, THE CUSTOM COLOR THAT WE WORKED FOR, FOR NEARLY A YEAR WITH SHERWIN WILLIAMS AND THE METAL MANUFACTURER OUT WEST, AND THEY DESIGNED THAT COLOR. SO, AND THEN THESE ARE THE TWO GRAYS AND THEN, OR LIGHT GREEN OR DARK GREEN, THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE SCRATCHED UP FROM AND IT'LL BE A MIXTURE OF THE TWO. RIGHT. GREEN WE LOVE. SO WE HAVE A LITTLE IN THERE TOO. I CHANGE ANYTHING NECESSARILY. WHAT IS THE, THE WATER DEMAND? LIKE WHAT IS THE USAGE? SO LET ME, I'M GONNA SET THE OFF AND THE, AND THE DISCHARGE IS KIND OF WHAT I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE I, YOU SAID YOU'RE WORKING OUT COUNTY WATER AND YOU HAVEN'T HOOKED UP TO THE STORAGE YET, BUT WHAT IS THE DEMAND? I WANNA JUST DO THE REALIZATION IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ROUGHLY AN AVERAGE CAR WASH USES ABOUT 70 GALLONS OF WATER PER WASH. MM-HMM . UM, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FACTORS. YOU KNOW, PROBABLY REALISTICALLY 85% OF IT GOES BACK DOWN INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM. THERE'S DIFFERENT RECLAIM SYSTEMS OUT THERE. UM, THE DIFFICULTY OF ALL, WE HAVE THE MOST STATE OF THAT RECLAIM SYSTEM THAT SOME OF OUR SITES, WE, AND THEY'RE ALL PROBLEMATIC. SALT, UH, MAINTENANCE, THE COMPUTERIZATION OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, AND SO FORTH THAT THEY TAKE. SO THE EFFECTIVENESS VARIES PER SEASON. SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET 60% EFFECTIVENESS AT A CERTAIN TIME OF YEAR AND SALT SEASON YOU MAY GET 20% EFFECTIVENESS, BUT NOBODY'S DESIGNED THE SYSTEM YET. THE AVERAGES PROBABLY MORE THAN 50%. I MEAN, THEY MAY HELL YOU BASED UPON THEIR CATALOG THAT THEY GET 70% OR THEIR CLOSED LOOP, BUT THERE'S A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM YOU CAN THINK ABOUT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTINUE TO WORK. HOW IS IT WHAT I GET 'EM FRESH WATER INPUT AND DISCHARGE. UM, NOBODY WANTS THEIR CAR WASH WITH SALT WATER. SO, SO THE LESS CAR WASH, 80% RECYCLE CLOSED. YEAH, THAT'S, THERE WAS 80% RECLAIM, BUT I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT SALT. SO ANYWAY, BACK TO THE QUESTION. SO THE DEMAND ON WATER AND THE WASTEWATER USAGE. YEAH. SO PROBABLY THE REALIZATION WHAT IS ACTUALLY GONNA GO DOWN THE SEWER. MM-HMM . IS PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 60 GALLONS PER CAR. OKAY. YEAH. AND DO YOU, ARE YOU UTILIZING ANY KIND OF SYSTEM ON THIS PROJECT? THEY'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT IN A RE REFUND SYSTEM IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TOM WANTED. UM, THE, IT'S, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T SEVERAL SITES WE CAN BRING IN THE STATISTICS ON 'EM. UM, THE EFFECTIVENESS AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRUE EFFECTIVENESS OF WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PRODUCE AND WHAT THEY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TOLD THEY PRODUCE IS, IS FAR DIFFERENT. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE EFFECTIVENESS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS. I WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED IN THAT BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A RECLAIM SYSTEM. YEAH. IF WE CAN JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, SO, UM, SO WE, THE, UH, WE, WE HAVE A RECLAIM SYSTEM THAT LESS WATER, WE PUT IT IN PROBABLY TWO THIRDS OF OUR, OF OUR LOCATIONS GOING. SO OKAY. WE'D HAVE NO PROBLEM ADDING A RECLAIMED SYSTEM TO THIS SITE IF IT'S FEASIBLE. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. I KNOW YOU, I'M WATER CONNECTION. I CAN, I CAN SAY FROM A FACTUAL BASIS, PUT IN THESE STATED THE ONES IN MM-HMM . AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR UNITS BY THE TIME YOU PUSH A TANK COMING IN, I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND TELL ANYBODY THAT THEY GET ANYTHING OVER TO WHAT THEY DO. AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE FACTS OF WHAT THEY DO. SO WHAT, WHAT WATER COMES IN AND WHAT, WHAT OUR TWO WATER USAGE IS OUT COMPARED TO SITE WITHOUT IT AND COMPARED TO SITE WITH IT. SO I THINK THAT'S THAT. INTERESTING. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING TO SEE IS WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE REALIZATION. UM, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU BASE UPON ACTUAL SITES THAT WE HAVE ON AND OPERATE. AND THEN YOU'RE CONNECTING TO THE COUNTY SYSTEM FOR DISCHARGE AS WELL, RIGHT? YOU WANNA CONNECT TO ALL SYSTEM? YES. THERE'S UM, THERE'S A, UH, RECKLESS CHARGE SUR EASEMENT THAT ACTUALLY RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. SO WE ARE, OUR CONNECTION IS ACTUALLY RIGHT ON SITE FOR THIS. YEAH, I REMEMBER ASKING THE FIRST PLACE. 'CAUSE THE PIPE LOOKS LIKE IT COMES RIGHT OUT INTO THE DITCH THAT, THAT THERE'S A STORM EASEMENT AND A SANITARY EASEMENT. SO THE ONE TO [03:10:01] THE DITCH IS ACTUALLY THE . YEAH. UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, WE'LL BE CONNECTING RIGHT TO RIGHT TO THAT EASEMENT RIGHT IN THAT EASEMENT ON SITE. THANK YOU. AND YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN THE RECLAMATION SYSTEM STATS AND THE FEASIBILITY OF USING ONE HERE. SURE. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL GET, WE HAD THOSE ALREADY. WE CAN, AND WE CAN PROBABLY GET 'EM PRINTED AND SENT TO YOU TOMORROW. SO EMAIL, SO FRANK AND HONEST, WHY SO MANY CAR WASHES? WHAT IS GOING BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT, AGAIN, THERE WASN'T A MARKET FOR HIM. I ASSUMED THEY BE DOING THAT. YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS, LIKE I SAID, WE STARTED THIS BUSINESS, UH, 24 YEARS AGO. MY BUSINESS PARTNER MYSELF. AND WE, WE LIKE, UM, WE WERE KIND OF THE SMALL GUY, YOU KNOW, WE, OUR, OUR ORIGINAL NAME, YOU REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS FANCY CHAS CAR WASH, IT WAS WINS WAS PROBABLY OUR, OUR BIGGEST AREA WE'D EVER OPEN. WE STARTED OUT WITH A LITTLE SELTZER WASH PUT FROM SPRING NEW YORK, WHERE IS OUR HOMETOWN? SO THEN WHAT INTEREST IN WILLIAMSVILLE, BECAUSE MY ATLAS HERE AND I SPENT A LOT OF MY LIFE AROUND HERE. SO THE SITUATION IS THAT CAR WASHING KIND OF GREW, IT'S A STRUGGLE FOR A LOT OF YEARS. AND THEN MEMBERSHIPS CAME ABOUT ON LIMITED PROGRAMS. SO THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER, LIKE MAYBE MAN YOU IN HERE, UM, MAYBE WASH YOUR CAR FOUR TIMES A YEAR AND NOW YOU WASH IT FOUR TIMES A MONTH. AND, UH, SO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE NATURE OF, YOU KNOW, THE WORD OF MOUTH IS PEOPLE LIKE HAVING A SUBSCRIPTION. THEY LIKE GONNA WASH A CAR AND THAT INFORMATION IN THEIR WALLET TAKE CASH OUT. THEY JUST HAVE THAT MONTHLY THING LIKE YOUR HANDLE, LIKE YOUR, UH, AMAZON ACCOUNT OR YOUR CELL PHONE OR YOUR, UH, WHATEVER IT IS THAT IT'S KIND OF THAT WALLET SHARING IDEA THAT WE THROW ON A CAR WHILE, BUT I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO, WE DO TRY TO PICK, YOU KNOW, AND ANTHONY AND PREMIER'S BEEN DOING WORK FOR US A LOT OF YEARS, BUT WE TRY TO PICK LOCATIONS THAT WE FEEL ARE TRULY IDEAL TO PERFORMANCE OF WHAT CAR WASH IS ABOUT. BECAUSE AS YOU HEARD THAT THERE'S ALWAYS ISSUES. THERE'S, THERE'S UH, THERE'S LIGHT ISSUES, THERE'S CHEMICAL ISSUES, THERE'S THINGS THAT, UM, EVERY TOWN AND EVERY COMMUNITY'S CONCERNED ABOUT. NO, I I GUESS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THAT LOCATION ON MAIN AND YOUNG'S IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A BIG RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEY'VE HAD NO COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS THEY'VE BEEN WATCHING. WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT. WELL, VERY JUST WANNA SPEAK FACTUAL. SO, YOU KNOW, WE PUT, WELL WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. WE PUT VERY EXPENSIVE SOUND WALLS UP WE HAD AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE WE HAD NEIGHBORS THAT WEREN'T HAPPY. UM, WE WAITED TOWN APPROVAL AND WE WENT BACK. WE CHOSE TO PUT UP, WE SPENT 20,000 FOR SOUND WALLS THERE. AND THE GOAL IS TO KNOCK DOWN THAT SOUND. IT'S TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, SOUND AT THAT, AT THE PROPERTY LINE. WHEN YOU GET IN THAT 70, 80, 60, 50, 70 FEET AWAY AND IT'S 70, 75 FESTIVALS, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IMAGINE SITTING IN YOUR BACKYARD. SO AGAIN, THAT SITE WAS KIND OF, UM, SOMETHING THAT WILLIAMS BUT WORKED WITH ON 'CAUSE GAS STATION THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IMPROVE THAT SITE. SO THE, IT WAS A LONG PROCESS, BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY THERE AND IT'S TO TRY TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAPPY, BUT IT TAKES A LOT AND WE'VE LEARNED THAT YOU GOTTA KNOCK THAT SOUND ON RIGHT AT THE DOOR. SO IF YOU, IF YOU GO THAT WILLIAMSVILLE SITE, YOU'LL SEE THAT APPLICATION, THAT 20,000 SOUND WALL SITS RIGHT AT THE DOORWAY KNOCKING ON ON SOUND IMMEDIATELY TO PRECLUDE IT FROM LEACHING OVER INTO THE, AT THE, THE EXIT FOR THE BUILDING. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOUR NOISES IN CAR WASH. I THINK. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO TO ANY OF OUR CAR WASHES AND TAKE A, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND LISTEN AND GET OUTTA YOUR CAR AND HEAR WHERE THE NOISES ARE GENERATED. YOU WON'T HEAR THAT. IT'S FROM THE VACUUMS IN OUR LOCATIONS THAT A BACK WHERE A VACUUM TECH TURBINE, MOTOR SILENCER, UM, TYPE OF DRIVE UNIT, YOUR NOISE IS PRODUCED AT THE, AT THE, AT THE BLOWERS, AT THE EXIT, THE PUMP. AND YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO, THE OTHER THING WE TRY TO MONITOR, WE HAVE STAFF AS YOU SEE OUR SITE, YOU'LL SEE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND OUR STAFF IS THAT WE DON'T ALLOW, YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO GET THE IN, YOU GET THE CUSTOMER COMES IN'S CRANKING THEIR MUSIC AT 180 DECIBELS. SO WE, WE DON'T ALLOW THAT. WE MONITOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND ENSURE WE'RE NOT HAVING A, A PAY A CUSTOMER THAT'S UPSET ANOTHER CUSTOMERS OR THE , LIKE YOU SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, IS THAT THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION. THE COMPLAINTS WE HAVE AND ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE WHEN THEY'RE BUDDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. I MEAN THE ONE TOWN WA SHERIDAN, LITERALLY IT'S THE BUILDING, THE DRIVE LANE, A WALL AT PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS. I MEAN THE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS ARE WITHIN 30 FEET OF, OF THE CAR WASH. I THINK, I THINK THE EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE BEST IS IN LANCASTER, UM, NOT LANCASTER. AND UM, UM, THE PIZZA OUT THERE, UM, LIVE FOR IS WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN MONUMENT MCCARTER WOODS AND [03:15:01] UM, AND SEAN, SEAN, OUR LANDING ATTORNEY. AND WE PRESENTED IT AT A GREAT INTERSECTION, A GREAT LOCATION THAT WE THOUGHT AND A FEW COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE CAME ON AND SPOKE AGAINST IT. AND WE LISTENED TO THEM AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT WE WERE PLENTY FAR ENOUGH AND WE WERE BUILDING WALLS AND WE LISTENED TO THEM AND WE NEVER WENT BACK FOR ANOTHER MEETING. MM-HMM . WE WALKED SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND IT WASN'T, WE ARE NOT GONNA BE A GUY GOING AND SHOVING A CAR WASH DOWN SOMEBODY'S THROAT. SO IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT SITUATION. AND THINK THERE WAS A COUPLE NEIGHBORS THAT SPOKE AND WE LISTEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE, THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE TO PEOPLE WHERE, SO WHERE ARE WE AT THIS? DID WE DO A PUBLIC HEARING LAST TIME OR WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING STILL? I THINK WE HAVE, I DON'T THINK WE GOT, WE'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR SKETCH. YEAH. SO SCHEDULE, PUBLIC HEARING. YOU SAID YOU WERE BACK IN OCTOBER? I THOUGHT IT WAS. YEAH, I WENT THROUGH MY EMAILS IN THE LAST ONE FROM OCTOBER. NO, WE, WE WERE HERE IN OCTOBER. YEAH. THEN THERE WAS, I THOUGHT THERE MIGHT HAVE A TIME, A LOT OF UH, SITE, INTERNAL SITE WORKINGS. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING. SO, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SPLASH CAR WASH ON APRIL 19TH. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. AND JUST MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY JEB. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AND JUST, UM, FOR, UH, BESIDES THE, YOU KNOW, RECLAIMED UM, EFFECTIVENESS AND ALL THAT AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING, WAS THERE REALLY ANYTHING ELSE SITEWISE THAT YOU GUYS WANTED US TO LOOK AT? I MEAN IT'S ALREADY IMPERVIOUS SITE. THE MAJORITY OF IT. I WAS GONNA REDEVELOPMENT OF AN EXISTING UNDERUTILIZED SPACE. BUT YOU HAD, IF I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, THAT YOU NEED TO SWITCH 'CAUSE YOU'RE OVER THE THRESHOLD, BUT THAT YOU ARE IN FACT CREATING IMPERIOUS OR CREATING YES. HER SERVICE. SO THERE'S INCREASE OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, WHICH YEAH, 30%. WHICH IS WILD BECAUSE THIS WHOLE THING HITS THE MALL. IT'S ALL THANK YOU FOR NOT TRYING TO FILL IN A LOT OF, BRING IN A LOT OF GREEN SPACE WHERE THERE ISN'T. OKAY, WE WILL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YEAH, THANK INFORMATION. IT WAS HELPFUL. SO WE HAVE MINUTES. SARAH REMINDED ME THAT WE HAVE NOT APPROVED THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING THAT I PERHAPS OVERZEALOUSLY BECAUSE THEY CAME IN LATE THE 15TH. SO WE DIDN'T APPROVE ON THE 15TH. SO WE DO NEED TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM BOTH FEBRUARY 1ST AND MARCH 1ST. WE HAD BOTH OF THOSE AVAILABLE. WAS I NOT AT I WAS HERE. YOU AT THE LAST ONE FIRST. I WAS AT THE LAST ONE THEN YOU WEREN'T THE ONE BEFORE THAT. NO, SHE WAS, SHE ABSTAINED FROM WHATEVER THE MINUTES WERE. I DID ABSTAIN FROM ONE. I THOUGHT YOU DID LAST THE SECOND. FEBRUARY 2ND. SO SECOND FEBRUARY. FEBRUARY 1ST. SO FEBRUARY 1ST. UM, WE WERE ALL HERE. THOSE WERE DID WE GET EXCEPT EVERYBODY. EXCEPT FOR DANNY. I WASN'T HERE YET. WE DIDN'T HAVE, WASN'T A MEMBER YET. DID WE GET THEM? YES, WE GOT THEM A WHILE AGO. I BYPASSED THEM. UM, YOU MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN THEM BECAUSE SARAH DOESN'T HAVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS. SO MAYBE JOSH, SHE DOESN'T HAVE DAN'S EMAIL ADDRESS. YOU MAKE, SHE'S GOT YOUR OKAY. YEAH, SHE SENT THEM OUT THE LA LAST STUFF. SHE SAYS SHE'S IN. WELL I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING. ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING AS TYPED BY KAITLYN. WHO? SECOND. SECOND BY MARGO. ALL IN FAVOR? I ABSTAIN. OKAY. MOTION CARRIED SODA. I HAVE ONE REPORTER. HOLD ON. SO YEAH, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 1ST MEETING AS, OKAY, SO A MOTION BY CAITLYN, SECOND BY ME. CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. SOMEBODY I THINK I HAVE ABSTAINED ABSTENTION. YES. SORRY. SO TRY TO BE VERY RESPECTFUL TO THE BOARD. SOME OF YOU WON'T REMEMBER THIS PROJECT. MR. CLEARY. REMEMBER WITH THIS UM, WEDDING CENTER WITH THE DOME, THE TOP, THE NO, THE TENNIS DOME BEHIND IT. YEAH. YES. REMEMBER THAT ONE RIGHT OUTSIDE THE VILLAGE THERE? YEAH. AS YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES DURING A PROJECT, CHANGES ARE MADE TO THE PROJECT AND WE DECIDE WHETHER IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD. I'M JUST REPORTING TO YOU THAT WE'RE NOT SENDING IT BACK TO YOU. BUT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. WE UNDERSTAND NOW THAT THE TENNIS CLUB WENT KAPUT. MR. CLEARY HAS BOUGHT THE REST OF THE PROPERTY AND IS GOING TO TEAR THE DOME DOWN. HE'S NOT PROPOSING TO BUILD ANYTHING ON, ON THERE. THE DO DOME ON ANYWAY COMES DOWN IN THE, IN THE SUMMERTIME. BUT AS PART OF THE SITE TIME APPROVAL, WE HAD HIM PUT A SIDEWALK BACK TO THE DOME. HE GOES, [03:20:01] I'M NOT GONNA PUT THE SIDEWALK IN 'CAUSE THERE'S NO DOME BACK THERE, THERE'S NOTHING BACK THERE. AND I SAID, PROBABLY THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. BUT I JUST WANTED TO REPORT TO YOU. AND WE ALSO TOLD HIM THAT IF HE PROPOSES ANYTHING ELSE ON THE PROPERTY, HE IS GOTTA COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD ANYWAY AND YOU COULD HAVE, MAY HAVE TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN OR WHATEVER. SO WE JUST WANTED TO REPORT THAT TO YOU. SO, I MEAN, IT WAS A PROJECT WE WENT, SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS ON AND WHATEVER, BUT THE TENNIS CLUB I GUESS WENT KAPUT. AND WHERE IS IT? WILLOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ELA ROAD. LIKE IF YOU WERE TO GO BETWEEN LIKE MY HOUSE AND , IT WAS A, THEY USED TO PUT A DO UP BACK THERE AND THE TENNIS, THERE WAS A HAMBURG TENNIS CLUB OPERATED THERE THAT STILL EXIST. WHAT'S THAT? NO, CLOSED. THAT'S WHAT WENT THERE. THAT'S WHAT'S THERE. RIGHT. SO IT'S CLOSED. HE IS NOT GONNA, SO HE IS JUST NOT GONNA PUT THE SIDEWALK IN. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT AFFECTS HIS SITE PLAN. IS HE NOT GONNA PUT THE SIDEWALK IN? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WERE ON THE BOARD WHEN WE DIDN'T. NO, NO. I THINK JUST THE TWO OF YOU. THAT'S I'M GONNA TRY TO REPORT TO YOU, LET YOU KNOW WHEN MODIFICATIONS ARE MADE TO A SUPER SITE PLAN. OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S LARGE ENOUGH MODIFICATIONS THEY COME BACK TO YOU. BUT THAT ONE WAS SMALL ENOUGH. BUT I SAID I WOULD REPORT TO YOU AND LET YOU KNOW THAT. EVEN IF IT'S DENNIS. ARE WE STILL ON FACEBOOK? YES, WE SHOULD BE. YEP. WE ARE STILL ON FACEBOOK. UNTIL YOU, UNTIL YOU AURN MEETING. GOOD JOB. MOTION TO ADJOURN. OKAY. A MOTION BY DAN. SECOND BY CINDY. ALL CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR. A AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.