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          FROM THE TOWN OF AKRON. 
          THEIR, WHAT YOU MEAN FOR THE POWER? THE WATER. 
          THE WATER IS COMING. 
          THE WATERS COMING FROM MONROE COUNTY AND FROM, FROM THEIR, THEIR WATER TREATMENT. 
          AND THEY DON'T NEED, THEY UPGRADE THE THEY HAVE. 
          AND BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL OVERALL DATE, WE'RE STILL UNDER TO OTHER COUNTIES. 
          NOT, WELL, THERE WAS SOME PAPERWORK I WAS THAT, UM, I WAS INVOLVED HELPINGS, I LAUGHED. 
          FIRST THE EIS CAME IN SECTIONAL. 
          COMMUNITY CHARACTER SAYS IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE CHARACT, ALABAMA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE MITIGATION, THEY PAID FOR US TO REDO THE CONFLICT AND BASICALLY THE TOWN, ALABAMA GOT A WEDDING. 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY WHAT I'VE EXPLAINED TO THE COMMUNITIES AROUND THERE FEW YEARS YET, WHICH WAS THE GOAL OF SEVEN TO 10,000 PEOPLE SURROUNDING, BECAUSE ALABAMA'S BASICALLY RESTRICTING. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DON'T WANT ANY DEVELOPMENT AROUND, AROUND ALL THE, THE FARMS, , ALL THAT AND WHATEVER. 
          SO NO MORE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO THAT THE FARM, 
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THE LANDS ON THE BIGGEST AREA AROUND, THEY RENT ALL THE LAND. 
          WE GO OUT FISHING. 
          SO WE, I DID NOT KNOW OFFICE TO KNOW ALL OF THESE RENTAL EFFECTS, BUT I KNOW THAT LIKE IT'S NOT GOING 11 YEARS BASICALLY. 
          SO 18 MILLION. 
          WELL, NO, I, OKAY. 
          WE, I BELIEVE THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I LET YOU GUYS, LET'S GET STARTED WITH WE HER. 
          DO YOU NEED TO, WE HAVE A COPY AGENDA WE GO. 
          YOU READY TO GO? THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          ROB NIK NUSSBAUM CLARK'S OFFICE. 
          WE'RE LOCATED 3 5 5 6 LAKESHORE ROAD IN HAMBURG AND WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF THE WESTER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP. 
          WITH ME ALSO IS JIM MALKA. 
          HE'S THE DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES FOR WESTER AND ANDY GAL FROM OUR OFFICE. 
          AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS ON BEHALF OF WESTER THIS EVENING. 
          UM, THE SITE OF WESTER IS PROPOSING AN AUTOMOBILE TOWING LOT TO BE LOCATED AT 3,600, UH, SOS ROAD. 
          THE PROPERTY IS ZONED, UM, C TWO COMMERCIAL. 
          THE PROPOSED AUTOMOBILE LOT IS SITUATED ON A HALF ACRE PARCEL, 3,600. 
          SO ROAD, AS I MENTIONED, OUR PLAN INVOLVES CLOSING A CURB CUT THAT'S CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF SOLES AND MOVING IT BACK ROUGHLY 114 FEET EAST OF THE INTERSECTION. 
          AND BY DOING SO, WE IMPROVED, UH, TO APPROVE TRAFFIC HERE. 
          WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STATE DOT. 
          UM, THIS IS THEIR PREFERRED LOCATION GIVEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO WITHIN THE SITE. 
          ADJOINING THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IS A 6.7 ACRE CO PARCEL THAT'S OWNED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS CURRENTLY A STORM WATER RETENTION BASIN ON THAT PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE UTILIZING THAT FOR OUR STORM DRAINAGE TOO, PROVIDING SOME DETENTION IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          IN ADDITION, WE'VE PROPOSING SENSITIVITY TO THE NEIGHBORS HERE. 
          WE PROPOSED EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPE SCREENING AROUND THE NORTH AND EAST SIDES OF THE SITE. 
          UM, AND WE'VE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, WE'VE ALLOCATED AREAS IN THE SITE. 
          THIS, THIS AREA HERE IS GONNA BE MILLINGS AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED ASPHALT AREA WHERE, UH, TOWING TRUCKS WOULD BE ABLE TO MANEUVER. 
          UH, I'VE ALSO BROUGHT A COPY OF THE PLAN. 
          I DO WANNA ACTUALLY SEND THIS AROUND IF YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT'S, UH, AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH IS  AND IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. 
          SO SORRY, WHILE YOU'RE YEP. 
          GOING THROUGH THAT, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LANDSCAPING AND THE EDGE OF THAT PAVEMENT AREA AND THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT I THINK IS ON OREGON ROAD HERE? YEAH, IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. 
          THERE'S A, THERE'S A HOME RIGHT HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE ACTUAL HOUSE TO THE, FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? PROBABLY ABOUT 20 FEET. 
          AND SO TO THE, TO THE FENCE LINE OF YOUR TOWING FACILITY? YES, IT'S, WE HAVE OUR, OUR SO WHAT'S YOUR SETBACK THERE? OUR SETBACK HERE IS 12 FEET. 
          SO IT'S, SO THE FACILITY'S GONNA BE ABOUT 32 FEET FROM THE ADJACENT REST, ROUGHLY? YES. 
          YEP. 
          NOT THE CUT OFF THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE DID CONFIRM AND WE CALLED YOUR OFFER TODAY THAT THIS IS NOT AN ALLOWABLE USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. 
          YOU HAVE THAT AND WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS AND EVERYBODY, ANYBODY PROPOSES A TOWING FACILITY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PRIMARY USE THERE. 
          SOMEBODY WHO MAY REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE ONE OUT ON WHERE THE OLD PLATT FACILITY IS, WE MADE THEM CONVERT THE STRUCTURE INTO A, INTO AN OFFICE BUILDING AND THEN HAD THAT AS PART SO UNTIL THEY AMEND THE PLAN TO HAVE A PRINCIPAL USE OFFICE BUILDING SOMETHING OR OTHER OR SOME SORT OF 
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CENTER. 
          THEY CAN'T JUST HAVE A TOWING FACILITY AND WE APOLOGIZE FOR REACHING, BUT WE COULDN'T GET THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO MAKE, TO SHOWED THEM THE RECORDS THEN WHATEVER, AND THEN MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY YOU HAVE A PROPOSED, AND AGAIN, WE'LL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE INPUT, THE WAY YOU HAVE A PROPOSED WOULD NOT BE ALLOWABLE USE. 
          IF THEY DO A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND DO A TOWING LOT, IT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT UNDER THE TOWN ZONING CODE. 
          AND YOU'D HAVE TO PROVE THE SITE PLAN. 
          BUT AGAIN, GET INPUT TONIGHT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME USE ON THERE. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE LEAVING THE GARAGE. 
          I KNOW FOR THE LEAVING FOR THE PUP PUTT FACILITY, THEY CHANGED THE, THEY CHANGED THE EXISTING BUILDING WHERE THE PUP PUTT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND CONVERTED IT INTO AN OFFICE AND HAD SOMEONE, SOMEONE THERE SO THAT WAY THEY COULD CALL THE OFFICE AND THAT WOULD THE PRINCIPAL USE. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PRINCIPLE USE THE, THE CODE DOES INDICATE THAT TOWING AND RECOVERY, I EMPOWERMENT AREAS AREN'T ALLOWED USE YES. 
          BY SPECIALTY USE PERMIT. 
          BUT THE INTERPRETATION IS THERE HAS TO BE A BUILDING PRINCIPLE BUILDING ASSOCIATED AND THAT'S BEEN THE INTERPRETATION THE TOWN MADE ON ALL OTHER TOWING FACILITIES. 
          THE ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN FOR WHERE THE PUP FACILITY AND THE LATEST AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THE ONE DOWN BY ON CAMP ROAD, DOWN BY, UM, MISSION HILLS. 
          THAT ONE WE MADE THE GUY CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING ALSO. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE INTERPRETATION BUILDING. 
          THAT GARAGE IS BEING LEFT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE TOTAL OFFICE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO PAINT INSTEAD, THE GARAGE, IT HAS TO BE AN OFFICE, HAS TO BE AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, A FULL BUILDING AND WHATEVER. 
          THAT'S THE OFFICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO YOU CONTINUE ON, BUT YOU HAVE TO AMEND AND THAT'S PURPOSE OF SKETCH PLAN IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THAT AS A ACTUAL OFFICE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT LEADS US TO OUR NEXT POINT. 
          THANK YOU ANDY. 
          UM, THE, THE PROPOSED HOUSE ON THAT BUILDING IS BEING DEMOLISHED AND THE EXISTING GARAGE WILL REMAIN AND UH, WILL BECOME PART OF WHAT WESTER IS PROPOSING TO, UH, USE A FACILITY FOR. 
          THAT. 
          GONNA BE MY QUESTION AS WELL. 
          SO THE TO IS THERE GONNA BE STORAGE OF VEHICLES ON THIS PROPERTY? TEMPORARY, JUST TEMPORARY STORAGE OF VEHICLES. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE IN AND OUT. 
          THEY'RE NOT INTENDING TO STORE VEHICLES HERE FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME. 
          THEY'LL BE REALLY MOVING VEHICLES IN AND OUT. 
          JIM, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? JAMAL WITH WEST, HER DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES? YEAH. 
          SO THIS IS A SERVICE FOR WEST HER PROPERTIES THEMSELVES. 
          SO THE TOW TRUCKS WILL BE STORED HERE AT THIS LOCATION AND THERE WOULD BE SOME OVERNIGHT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC THAT WOULD, UM, NOT NECESSARILY NOT TRAFFIC, BUT STORAGE WITH VEHICLES AND BEFORE WE DROP IT OFF TO A LOCATION OR IF WE HAVE AN OVERFLOW IN ONE AREA BEFORE WE CAN GET INTO ANOTHER THAT WOULD BE STORED HERE. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S SECURED DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT DOING, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET TOTAL PERMIT FOR THE TOWN. 
          YOU'RE DOING IT FOR YOUR, THIS IS WEST HER, IT WEST, HER USE UNDER THE GARAGE. 
          DOES THAT HAVE WATER GOING THROUGH IT AND, AND OTHER AMENITIES? OR IS IT JUST I HAVEN'T BEEN IN IT YET. 
          YEAH, I WOULDN'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY WATER. 
          SO REALLY IT'S JUST A GARAGE. 
          AND TO CONVERT THAT TO AN END USE BUILDING, YOU'D HAVE TO PUT IN TOILET FACILITIES, UH, HEATING AND WATER. 
          CORRECT. 
          IF, IF THERE'S GONNA BE YEAH. 
          ANY MEAN FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME FOR OCCUPATION OF THAT FACILITY. 
          SO YOU SAID THERE'S NEIGHBORS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. 
          THERE ARE NEIGHBORS ON OREGON ROAD. 
          AND DID YOU LOOK AT, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS? I DID. 
          I I LOOKED AT THAT. 
          IT SAYS WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE HEADLIGHT THEN IF THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS AT NIGHT AND LIKE NOISE. 
          IT'S, I MEAN IT'S 32 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THAT PARKING LOT TO THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT, YOU KNOW, HEADLIGHT, THERE'S GONNA BE A SCREENING AROUND THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          SO WE'RE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR INTERNAL USE AND THAT WE WON'T BE LIKE PICKING UP A VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S STRANDED ON THE FREEWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE AT NIGHT AND BRING BACK HERE. 
          WE JUST, BUT IT'S MORE OF A DAY USE OPERATION AND THE TOWING LOSS, NOT THAT IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE IN THAT ANCE, BUT IT IS A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION BOARD. 
          SANDY GAR HELP? NO, NO, THAT'S THE UPPER ONE. 
          THE OTHER ONE'S THE OTHER ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT SANDY GARELLI IS THE OTHER ONE. 
          YES. 
          UH, WE USUALLY HAVE PUT IN A FENCE THAT HAS SLATS OR SOMETHING IN IT SO YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT. 
          SO THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE HEADLIGHT ISSUE NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A PRIVACY FENCE THAN THE SLATS. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET LIGHTS THROUGH LIKE WHEN THEY DO SLACKS IN THE CHAIN LINK. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF FENCING IS BEING PROPOSED, BUT WE NEEDED TO SEE SOME DETAILS ON THAT. 
          WE, AND WHEN WE REACH THE SITE PLAN LEVEL, WE WILL PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL DETAIL FOR, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE FENCE. 
          IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT MY NEXT QUESTION WAS BEFORE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S THE WHOLE PROPERTY GOING TO BE FENCED IN. 
          YES. 
          WE HAVE A FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, FOR SECURITY. 
          AND AGAIN, IF IT WILL BE USED TO BLOCK THE VIEW TO THE NEIGHBORS, THEN WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND OTHERS ARE, ARE THERE HOURS OF OPERATIONS? SPECIFIC HOURS OF OPERATION? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER 
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TO THAT, JIM, DO YOU KNOW? UH, SO BUSINESS FIRST, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE UP, BUT AGAIN, IT'S FOR OUR INTERNAL USES. 
          SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ALONG THE SAME GUIDELINES AS OUR EXISTING DEALERSHIPS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU FIGURING OUT THAT, UH, BASICALLY THE BIG CRITERIA IS THAT EITHER THE TOWING FACILITY HAS TO BE ENCLO IN A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BUILDING WITH AN AREA ENCLOSED BY A SOLID WALL OR FENCE, AT LEAST PIPE. 
          SO IT, AND IT'S GOT, USUALLY IT'S BORDER ON BOARD OF SOMETHING TO BLOCK THOSE CARS. 
          UM, THAT IS HOW WE'VE TREATED THE ONES IN THE PAST. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON THE CODE HERE. 
          SO THAT FENCE IS GONNA HAVE TO BE A, EITHER YOU'RE STORING THE CARS INSIDE OR YOU'RE COMPLETELY SCREENING 'EM WITH AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AROUND AROUND, I APOLOGIZE, THAT'S IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 25 FOR TOWING AND RECOVERY AND . 
          THE ONLY OTHER CRITERIA IS THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HAS TO MAKE PURE ACT INSPECTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE STRUCTURES AND, UH, AND ARE BEING MAINTAINED PROPERLY. 
          AND THAT SIZE LOCATION OF MATERIALS USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF OFFITE PARKING SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING BASED AND PEN USE AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S WHY MR. OCK HAS PRESENTED THE FACT THAT SOME OF IT WILL BE PAVED, SOME OF IT WILL BE A OUS SURFACE. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, I UNFORTUNATE THAT TOWING THE BILL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE VEHICLES THAT HAVE BEEN DAMAGED OR ARE LEAKING OIL WHENEVER WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, TAMMY'S GONNA HAVE TO COMMENT ON WHETHER, YOU KNOW, ON THE, THE DRAINAGE FROM THIS FACILITY, WE ALWAYS GET NERVOUS. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING SMASH SMASH NO CARS HOPEFULLY, BUT WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH LEAKING OF GASOLINE AND OILS AND WHATEVER FROM, FROM TOWING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE, HALF ACRE SITE, 3,600 SOLD ROAD WITH ME CREATING A NEW ACCESS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE DOT. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING HOUSE AND RETAIN THE ATTACHED GARAGE FOR THEIR OPERATIONS AND ARE PROPOSING EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE SITE TO, UH, PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          WHAT WOULD BE THE SETBACK IF IT WAS TO RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE THERE, IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, BUT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE C TWO. 
          IT IS NOT RIGHT THERE WHEN IT'S COMMERCIALS A COMMERCIAL, UH, BASICALLY IS YOU CAN PUT PARKING RIGHT UP TO THE SIDE. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S A, IT'S A, AS THIS SAYS, THERE HAS TO BE SCREEN THEN SETBACKS ARE IMPORTANT AND DISPENSING IS VERY IMPORTANT TO SCREEN ADJOINING A RESIDENTIAL USE IN THIS CASE. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THERE IS RESIDENTIAL ZONE. 
          I THINK IT'S, YEP. 
          SO YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH AND THEN YOU GOT COMMERCIAL ON OTHER. 
          BUT YEAH, THE RESIDENTIAL USE, THE RESIDE RESIDENTIAL ZONE IS JUST A, THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO IT ARE ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S NO INTENT WITH THE GARAGE TO DO ANY WORK THERE. 
          WELL THEY'LL THEY'LL MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO IT AND ACTUALLY DO, IF THEY'RE GONNA UTILIZE THAT AS AN OFFICE TO CLEARLY MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO IT. 
          THEY'RE JUST GETTING YOUR INPUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEY CAN DO A PLAN BUT NO WORK ON VEHICLES WEBSITE. 
          NO, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. 
          WELL, THAT'S KIND OF DIRECTION. 
          TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SECTION OF THE CODE AND YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIALTY DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUBMIT A LETTER IDENTIFYING HOW YOU'RE MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT THE AUTOMOTIVE USE SECTION OF THE CODE, WHICH IS ANY PARKING OF MORE THAN, I THINK IT'S EIGHT VEHICLE HAS TO MEET THE AUTOMOTIVE USE SECTION OF THE CODE. 
          SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT SECTIONS TO DEAL WITH THAT WILL DEAL WITH ALSO SCREENING. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE, SOLID FENCE IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN THE SPECIAL YOUTH DEPARTMENT. 
          NO, WE'RE GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS KEVIN MUCK REQUESTING A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 1080 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE BUILDING AS AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING BUILDING AT 1 1 6 LAKE AVENUE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THIS IS A BLAZEDALE PROJECT. 
          YEP. 
          UM, BILL, LAST ITEM. 
          KNOW YOUR TABLED IT INDEFINITELY IS BASICALLY A SKETCH PLAN UNTIL THEY SUBMIT A STUDY PLAN, ESPECIALLY TABLED INDEFINITELY. 
          AND BEFORE THIS STARTS, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THIS IS, SOME OF YOU REMEMBER THIS, THE VILLAGE BLAZEDALE NO LONGER HAS A PLANNING BOARD. 
          THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS BEEN POINTED AT THE, THE VILLAGES PLANNING BOARD FOR PROJECTS. 
          THIS IS WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE. 
          AS WE 
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HAD, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS. 
          THERE IS NO REAL, THERE IS NO APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          UH, BASICALLY YOU'RE RECOMMENDING BOARD, IN THIS CASE TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. 
          THE CODE SAYS YOU'RE RECOMMENDING BOARD TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, BUT THE VILLAGE OF BLAZEDALE HAS NO ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. 
          SO YOU'RE MAKING, I SPOKE TO JEFF TODAY IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU'RE JUST GIVING ANY INPUT YOU CAN ON THIS TO THIS. 
          HE IS DONE THE ZONING REVIEW. 
          HE SAYS IT MEETS ZONING AND SETBACKS. 
          HE IS JUST LOOKING FOR YOUR INPUT, YOU KNOW, UH, AND BEFORE ISSUING THE BUILDING PERMIT. 
          SO THERE'S NO VARIANCES NEEDED AND THEY DON'T HAVE A ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. 
          THERE'S NO SPECIAL UNITS PERMIT. 
          THIS IS ALLOWED USE. 
          THEY'RE JUST HERE TO GIVE ANY IDEAS TO JEFF IN ISSUING THE BUILDING PERMIT. 
          IF YOU HAVE CONCERN, THE APPLICANT'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT LIGHTING OR THINGS LIKE THAT OR WHATEVER. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU WANNA TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT? PARDON ME? YOU WANNA TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING? SURE, SURE. 
          UH, MYSELF AND MY PARTNER ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING THE BUILDING AT ONE 16 LAKE AVENUE. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE IS AROUND 800 SQUARE FEET OF AN OFFICE THAT'S ATTACHED TO ABOUT 1200 SQUARE SQUARE FEET OF A WAREHOUSE SPACE. 
          YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE SINGLE CAR GARAGE THAT'S PART THAT'S, UH, ATTACHED TO THAT. 
          UH, OUR PLAN IS TO REMOVE THAT SINGLE CAR GARAGE AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING STORAGE BUILDING WOULD BE ON THE FRONT, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 24 FEET WIDE. 
          THE SAME WIDTH AS THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE. 
          THE WAREHOUSE SPACE, 45 FEET LONG. 
          UH, THE 45 FEET WE CAME UP WITH, UH, SITTING WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, HE KINDA SCALED IT OUT AND SAID THIS IS THE SIZE YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO. 
          OKAY. 
          DEPENDING YOUR APPROVAL. 
          SO BASICALLY WOULD BE A SINGLE MAN DOOR ON THE SIDE, A 14 FOOT GARAGE DOOR ON THE FRONT, UH, PRETTY MUCH USED FOR STORAGE. 
          WE HAVE A RECREATION VEHICLE. 
          MY PARTNER MIKE DOES COMMERCIAL PAINTING, SO HE'S GOT LIFTS THAT WOULD BE STORED IN THERE. 
          UM, BASICALLY RIGHT NOW IT'S A PART OF A LOT, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY A PARKING LOT. 
          BUT THE NEIGHBORS ON THE EAST SIDE OF IT ARE USING IT AS PARKING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THEY'VE USED IT FOR PARKING. 
          SO WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH 'EM AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR PLAN IS ONCE WE PURCHASE THIS, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNS ARE THERE THAT SAY PARKING RESTRICTED EXCEPT FOR ONE 16 LAKE AVENUE. 
          BUT THEY'VE KIND OF TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, UH, FROM THE GUY THAT'S OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR A WHILE. 
          SO THAT'S OUR PLAN WITH IT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, BASICALLY THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING ARE GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON US PUTTING THIS STORAGE UNIT UP BECAUSE IT WOULD BE BECOME METAL SIDING. 
          THE EXISTING STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW HAS SOME DETERIORATED EXTRA ONE 11 SIDING. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE LOOK OF ALL THAT. 
          SO WHATEVER WE END UP DOING ON THIS BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE METAL SIDING, METAL SIDING, METAL ROOF, THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW WOULD ALSO GET IMPROVED TO LOOK THE SAME. 
          IT DID SPEAK WITH SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY. 
          UM, THERE'S A SIDEWALK IN FRONT AND OBVIOUSLY A CURB. 
          UM, THEY SEEM TO THINK IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE FORMALITY TO COME UP WITH SOME PLANS TO SHOW THEM. 
          UH, THEY WOULD GIVE ME THE APPROVAL FOR A CURB, UH, CURB CUT TO MAKE, UH, A DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE INTO THAT BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THAT'S A TOWN OR THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD? IT'S A COUNTY ROAD, YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          SO IT'S WHAT IS THE ADJACENT BUILDING? UH, ON THE EAST SIDE? YEAH, THE, IT'S A PRETTY DETERIORATED THREE STORY HOUSE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          PEOPLE ARE OBVIOUSLY STILL LIVING THERE, BUT IT'S FROM THE, FROM THE, THE LOOK OF OUR SIDE, IT'S NOT THE GREATEST. 
          SO IT WOULD, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD SAY MASK SOME WHAT'S ON THE SIDE THERE, BUT IT, IT REALLY, IT REALLY WOULD. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTHING, NOTHING ELABORATE. 
          UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH STRICTLY USED FOR STORAGE, RIGHT? SO THE QUESTION WE'VE GOT AT THE WORK SESSION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO A WAIVER OR HAVE FULL SITE PLAN. 
          IT, IT BILL, IT'S NOT, THERE IS NO WAIVER IN THE VILLAGE OF LAY SALES ORDINANCE. 
          THERE IS NO SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          YOU'RE JUST GIVING RECOMMENDATION TO THE, TO THE CODE ENFORCE PROVINCE. 
          AND I WENT THROUGH THAT WITH HIM. 
          JEFF REPRESEN WORKING WITH THE VILLAGE. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST ONE. 
          THERE IS NO SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THERE IS NO SITE PLAN WAIVER IN THE VILLAGES LAW. 
          REMEMBER THIS IS THE VILLAGE OF PLACE. 
          THEY'LL HAVE TOWN HAMBURG. 
          YOU'RE JUST GIVING A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM, TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ANY ISSUES YOU WANTED HIM TO DEAL WITH AND ISSUING THIS BUILDING. 
          SO I WENT OVER THIS WITH JEFF. 
          HE AGREED THERE'S NO SITE PLAN WAIVER. 
          THE TWO THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF LIKE A RECOMMENDATION BACK, I KNOW YOU HAVE A TINY BIT OF GREEN SPACE AT THE CORNER THERE, A CORNER OF LAKE AND UH, YES. 
          UM, JUST TO MAINTAIN THE 
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LANDSCAPING AND KEEPING IT LOOKING NICE WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION ON MY END. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THEN I, I KNOW YOU'RE ADDING THIS OTHER BUILDING INTO ADDITIONAL STORAGE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE HAVE HEAVY EQUIPMENT COMING IN AND OUT. 
          YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK AT SOME STRIPING IN THE PARKING LOT TO INDICATE FLOW. 
          YES, AND IT, IT DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE HEAVY EQUIPMENT IN AND OUT DAILY. 
          UH, THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE WOULD PROBABLY BE FIVE TIMES A YEAR AND MIKE'S UH, EQUIPMENT IS USUALLY GONE FOR THE SUMMER MONTHS. 
          SO IT'D BE STORED WINTERTIME STORAGE. 
          SO IT DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE DAILY FOR SURE. 
          AND THEN ARE YOU REMOVING OR BASICALLY ABANDONING THE CURB CUT THAT'S ON LAKE AVENUE? YES, WE WOULD MAKE A CURB CUT, OBVIOUSLY REMOVE THE SIDEWALK AND MAKE AN APPROACH TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT AND THAT. 
          SO, SO THAT CURB CUT THAT YOU'RE MAKING IS ON LABEL OR ON LAKE? IT'S ON LAKE. 
          IT WOULD BE WHERE YOU SEE THE 24 FOOT WIDE, UH, PART ON THE DRAWING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SORRY. 
          SO AND THEN THE OPENING TO THIS BUILDING, SORRY, IS YES, RIGHT THERE. 
          YEP. 
          SO THERE'D BE A MAN DOOR ON A SIDE, UH, THAT LITTLE SINGLE CAR GARAGE OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE GONE REMOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE WOULD JUST PUT A, UH, SINGLE STRUCTURE UP THE SAME WIDTH AS, UH, THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, THE WAREHOUSE SPACE. 
          UM, BUT ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT, I MEAN THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES IT, BUT AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS, THE EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE SEEN FROM BOTH LAKE AVENUE AND NO BELL. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG PLAN. 
          LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS THE T ONE 11 IS PRETTY DETERIORATED ON IT. 
          SO THAT WAS OUR PLAN. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS? ARE THERE ANY SIGN? IS THERE SIGNAGE PROPOSED? A MONUMENT SIGN ON, SIDE BUILDING SIGN? ANY OTHER ? NO. 
          ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS WAS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OFFICE SPACE THERE. 
          SO THE PLAN OBVIOUSLY TO LEASE OUT THE OFFICES. 
          UH, ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS WAS, WHERE CAN WE HAVE A SIGN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LEASE THE OFFICES? WE HAVE TO HAVE A SIGN AT THE ROAD. 
          CAN WE HAVE A SIGN AT THE ROAD? CAN WE PUT A SIGN ON THE BUILDING? WE KNOW THE VILLAGE BLA JEFF WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE VILLAGE SIGN WORKS WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I NEED, YEAH, JEFF CONTROLS THE SIGN IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IF YOU WERE GONNA PUT A PINK MONUMENT SIGN OUTSIDE SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU'RE GONNA PUT A SIGN PROBABLY ON THE BUILDING OR, WELL, WE WEREN'T SURE WHETHER WE COULD PUT ONE TOWARDS THE ROAD. 
          WELL, JEFF WILL GIVE YOU THE CRITERIA FOR EITHER A STANDING SIGN OR SIGN ON THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ROOM TOWARDS THE ROAD, YOU GET RID OF THAT LANDSCAPING, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          SAY THAT AGAIN? I SAID I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ROAD, JUST PUT ONE ON THE ROAD. 
          YES. 
          IT WAS LIKE IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          YEAH, THERE'S A LITTLE CORNER'S BENCH. 
          UM, PROBABLY TWO FEET OF GRASS THAT SURROUNDS THE FRONT ON LAKE AVENUE AND SIDE. 
          BUT IF ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO KEEP THE LANDSCAPING AND MAINTAIN IT, THEN YOU COULDN'T TAKE OUT THAT LANDSCAPE AND PUT IT SIDE. 
          CORRECT. 
          THERE'S ALSO A STRIP ON BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK. 
          RIGHT OF WAY. 
          OH, IT'S NOT EASY TO SEE THERE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS ONE. 
          YEAH, IT'S MINIMAL. 
          IT'S, IT'S ON THE LAKE AVENUE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          IT'S ONLY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF WHAT'S THERE OF THAT LITTLE PARKING LOT. 
          I DON'T SEE IT AT ALL. 
          LITTLE BELL SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I MEAN, AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE CRITERIA AND THEN KEEP THE UH, THE LITTLE LANDSCAPING POCKET. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE REST OF THE SITE IS PRETTY MUCH PAVED. 
          YEAH. 
           PAVED THEIR BUILDING. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE NICE PART IS THE VILLAGES ORDINANCE IS ENCOURAGE BUILDINGS TO BE UP BY THE ROAD. 
          UNLIKE THE TOWN WHICH SAYS YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 35, 40 FEET BACK TO THE ROAD, THEY ENCOURAGE STUFF UP BY THE ROAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I HAVE IT, I'LL TELL JEFF, WE'LL RELAY TO JEFF TOMORROW BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S PROCEEDED THAT WE ARE CONCERNED WITH OUR KEEPING THE LANDSCAPING STRIPING THE LOT OR SOME WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO PARK AND WHERE TO GO BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A DO. 
          AND THEN JEFF WILL SIT WITH HIM ON THE SIGNAGE OF WHAT IS ALLOWED, SIGN HIS FLIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I DON'T NEED FORMAL A MOTION OR ANYTHING, JUST THAT THEY NEEDED THAT INPUT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANKS A LOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO HOW, WHAT'S OUR PROCEDURE WITH THIS NOW? UH, SO DREW'S GONNA TELL JEFF, I'LL CALL JEFF TOMORROW AND TELL HIM WHAT THE IDEAS WERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN PROCEED WITH YOUR BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IF YOU, AWESOME. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU LUCK. 
          BILL. 
          I LOOKED AT THE YARD REQUIREMENTS IN A, IN A C TWO UHHUH, A SIDE AND REAR YARD. 
          IF IT ABUTS IN OUR DISTRICT, IT'S THE GREATER OF 20 FEET OR THE CLOSEST BUILDING OR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING THE HIGHER OF 20 FEET OR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. 
          NOT LESS THAN 20 FEET. 
          NOT LESS THAN 20 FEET OR THE HEIGHT OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING, WHICHEVER 
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GREATER. 
          SO IF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING IS A SKYSCRAPER, IT'D BE REALLY LONG. 
          EXACTLY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BUT YEAH, ESSENTIALLY 20 FEET FOR YOUR SIDE. 
          IT'S GARAGE CAR, DISTRICT GARAGE. 
          THAT GARAGE IS GONNA 20 FEET HIGH. 
          JEFF SAID HE DID THE BUILDING AT ALL. 
          OH NO, THIS IS FOR THE OTHER ONE, RIGHT? OH, IT'S FOR WEST. 
          HIS QUESTION WAS ON, YEAH, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WEST. 
          SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WESTER ONE AND THE, THE BACK SETBACK IS 39 FEET, WHICH IS MORE THAN ONE. 
          THE SIDE IS ONLY LIKE 13, 12.3, 12.3. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          BUT THE SIDE, IT OPERATES AS RESIDENTIAL BUT IS OWNED COMMERCIAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS ALLIANCE HOMES REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT EITHER RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS AT SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND HOWARD DRIVE. 
          RIGHT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA PROPOSE TWO PLANS AND WE PICK WHICH ONE WE'D LIKE BETTER. 
          , AS I SAID IN MY MEMO, IF YOU READ THE MEMO, THIS IS VERY UNUSUAL. 
          NO, WE WE'RE NOT. 
          THEY HAVE TO COME, THEY HAVE TO PICK BASED UPON, WE HAVE A PRE, WE HAVE A PREFERENCE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IF THEY PICK THE ONE, IF THEY PICK THE ONE THAT REQUIRES REZONING, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE REZONING PROCESS, WHICH IS APPEAR BEFORE THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE APPEAR BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD TO GET IT REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          THEY JUST WANTED TO COME IN AND GET SOME INPUT FROM YOU GUYS ON WHAT THE ISSUES MAY BE THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE ON PROCEEDING. 
          SO UNDERSTAND THIS IS VERY UNUSUAL WHERE DONTING WILL COME TO US, BUT ONE OF THE OPTIONS WOULD REQUIRE A RESIGNING. 
          OKAY, JUDGE SEAN? YES, GOOD EVENING. 
          CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD EMAILS SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS LIBERATORY MANAGEMENT GROUP TWO LLC AND ALLIANCE HOMES. 
          SO WE, WE DO HAVE A PREFERENCE ON THIS PLAN. 
          I'LL MAKE SURE I EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS. 
          THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS VACANT LAND LOCATED ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. 
          JUST TO ACCLIMATE EVERYONE, SHERWOOD MEADOWS SUBDIVISION DIRECTLY BEHIND US AND SHERWOOD MEADOWS APARTMENTS HERE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          WE HAVE THE NURSERY, UH, WE HAVE THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, CLIFTON HEIGHTS. 
          IT WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED BY THE CACAS GOING THIS WAY, WE HAVE THE WETZEL, SENIOR FAM SENIOR HOUSING AND THE APARTMENTS BEHIND THE WIDE ASSORTMENT OF PARCELS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED TO A LARGE DEGREE OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST DECADE. 
          THE LIBERATORY FAMILY IS THE LONGTIME OWNER OF THIS SITE. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES IN SIZE, OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT OF FRONTAGE ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. 
          THE DEPTH OF THE PARCEL IS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN 300 FEET, APPROXIMATELY 290 FEET. 
          THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL HAS TWO EXISTING ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS TODAY, THE PORTION WHICH IS THE WEST AND THE ZONING LINE IS ACTUALLY RIGHT THERE IS CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION. 
          AND THEN IF YOU HEAD DOWN SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED R THREE. 
          SO OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS WORKING WITH THE PROJECT TEAM, WE'VE LOOKED AT A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF ALTERNATIVES WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE. 
          WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME DUE DILIGENCE, INCLUDING RETAINING EARTH DIMENSIONS TO CONDUCT A WETLAND DONATION OF THE SITE. 
          UM, ULTIMATELY A JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION WAS ISSUED BY THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. 
          AND WE HAVE A WETLAND HERE THAT OCCUPIES APPROXIMATELY 2.06 ACRES OF THE 13 ACRE SITE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THAT IT'S A JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND, THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO AVOID IT, NUMBER ONE, TO REDUCE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. 
          AND NUMBER TWO, IN RECOGNITION OF, WE EVEN FILED A PERMIT FOR A 10TH OF AN ACRE THERE, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A TWO YEAR PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER IS BASICALLY TAKING THE PORTION OF THE SITE, THE WESTERN HALF THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE. 
          AND THAT WOULD ALLOW A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES AND DOWN ZONE THAT PORTION TO R THREE. 
          SO THE ENTIRE SITE WOULD NOW BE ZONED R THREE THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE INSTEAD OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH COULD INCLUDE DRIVE-THROUGHS ALONG THAT PORTION OF THE SITE. 
          A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT. 
          AND I WANT TO NOTE THIS IS JUST LITERALLY A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT. 
          WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS FIVE TWO STORY 12 UNIT BUILDINGS. 
          UH, THE ALLIANCE HOMES TEAMS HAS SUCCESSFULLY UTILIZED THIS BUILDING AT MANY OTHER LOCATIONS IN WEST NEW YORK. 
          PERHAPS THE BEST EXAMPLE NEARBY IS THE ORCHARD GROVE PROJECT, WHICH IS RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE STADIUM IN ORCHARD PARK. 
          WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS WE PUT SOME LANDSCAPING IN BERMS ALONG SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD IN RECOGNITION OF THE FACT THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A PRETTY HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CORRIDOR. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WE WOULD COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED 50 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK ALL THE WAY ACROSS. 
          WE WOULD WORK WITH THE TOWN IN TERMS OF WHAT THE LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING COULD BE. 
          IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF TREES, FENCING, BERMS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE, MEANING FROM THE EASTERN PORTION 
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OF THE PROPOSED ACCESS ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY TO THE EASTERN EDGE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA, BUT INCLUDING THE JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND, WE'D BE WILLING TO RECORD A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS, THEREBY ENSURING THAT THE REMAINDER OF THAT SITE WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED. 
          I MEAN THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THAT JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND WOULD REMAIN IN THE ALTERNATIVE. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, ABSOLUTELY NOT THE PREFERENCE. 
          WE THOUGHT IT'S HELPFUL TO ILLUSTRATE, WE PREPARED A CONCEPT PLAN THAT SHOWS WHAT YOU COULD DO AS OF RIGHT TODAY OBVIOUSLY WOULD STILL REQUIRE APPROVAL, SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD. 
          WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, APPROXIMATELY 16,200 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WILL MAKE A RELATIVELY NICE RETAIL PLAZA FOR MULTIPLE TENANTS. 
          AND THEN ON THE ENDS, UM, TWO SMALLER RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOWS AND OBVIOUSLY STACKING, WE THINK, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU FIRST. 
          THAT OBVIOUSLY BETWEEN THE TWO ALTERNATIVES IT WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO DOWN ZONE THIS SITE. 
          I DON'T THINK COMMERCIAL ZONING OR COMMERCIAL USE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, WOULD PROBABLY BE VIEWED PARTICULARLY THAT FAVORABLE BY THE NEARBY. 
          HOW HOMEOWNERS, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT NOTE THOSE HOMES, THERE'S STILL A FEW VACANT LOTS ARE RELATIVELY, ALMOST BRAND NEW RENTAL HOMES PURCHASED THOSE LOTS FROM THE BURKE FAMILY ON A TAKE DOWN SCHEDULE. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME NEW FAM FA, NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE BUILT, BEEN BUILT THERE. 
          WHY THAT MATTERS IS ANYONE WHO'S BUILT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THIS SEGMENT OF THE PROJECT SITE OBVIOUSLY DID THAT AT THE TIME. 
          THIS PROPERTY, AT LEAST THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED C ONE. 
          AND TODAY, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DECISION MAKING WHATSOEVER. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME PRELIMINARY INPUT, THEN WE COULD TAKE THE NEXT STEPS DOWN. 
          THE REVIEW PROCESS. 
          OBVIOUSLY AS DREW INDICATED, IT WOULD REQUIRE REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE WOULD REQUIRE THE TOWN BOARD TO REFER A REZONING APPLICATION BACK TO YOU WOULD REQUIRE A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO YOU FOR THE TOWN BOARD FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REZONING TOWN BOARD, APPROVAL OF THE REZONING. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE FUTURE, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD AS WELL. 
          AND OF COURSE THE LAST STEP WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          I WANNA GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BILL, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? IF YOU'RE LOOKING, YOU'RE LOOKING ON YOUR PHONE WHILE IT'S GOT ENOUGH FOR THE GOOGLE ALERT, GOOGLE ALERT DOESN'T SHOW THE HOMES BEHIND THERE. 
          IT DOESN'T, BUT IF YOU GO TO STREET VIEW, IT SHOWS THE HOMES. 
          SO STREET VIEW MUST BE BRAND NEW BECAUSE IT SHOWS ALL THE ROAD HOMES BEHIND THERE. 
          BUT THE REGULAR ONE DOESN'T SHOW ALL THE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ALL THROUGH HERE. 
          NOW THIS IS WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE NOW THERE'S A ROAD, WHAT YOU SAID THOSE WERE BUILT BY MORENO. 
          SO THERE A LOT JUST SO EVERYONE HAS IT. 
          A LOTS THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING OF COURSE, THAT DON'T SHOW ON THE AERIAL, BUT NOW HAVE LARGELY BEEN INFILLED WITH HOMES ARE HERE. 
          EVERYONE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD OBVIOUSLY WOULD UNDER OUR PROPOSAL, WOULD WIND UP WITH PERMANENT GREEN SPACE BEHIND THEM. 
          SO IT'S REALLY BASICALLY A DOWN ZONING OF HALF THE PROPERTY FOR USE THAT WE THINK IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE ADDED BENEFIT OF A LARGE PORTION OF SITE WOULD BECOME DEED RESTRICTED, PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, INCLUDING THE ENTIRETY OF THE SOMEWHAT LARGE JURISDICTIONAL FEDERAL. 
          SO PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, EITHER THEY A SERIES OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR THEY WILL BACK UP THE COMMERCIAL. 
          YOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND THE WETLANDS ARE ON THE STREET SIDE, ON THE SOUTHWESTERN SIDE OR THE BUFFER. 
          SO, SO THE WETLANDS ARE HERE, RIGHT? SO RIGHT UNDER THE COMMERCIAL ALTERNATIVE, YOU'D HAVE A SERIES OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS COULD INCLUDE ONE OR MORE RESTAURANTS WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH. 
          AND UNDER THE MULTI-FAMILY APPROACH, WE'RE NOT STUCK ON THIS PARTICULAR LAYOUT. 
          WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN MIND IS 13 ACRES. 
          THE, THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT CONSISTS OF FIVE TWO STORY 12 UNIT BUILDINGS. 
          THE MEAN ROOF HEIGHT OF THESE BUILDINGS IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN YOU CAN BUILD IN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. 
          IT'S APPROXIMATELY 28, 29 FEET. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY WOULDN'T EVEN BE EXCEEDING THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE SITE. 
          AND THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, THE ALLIANCE TEAM WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR IS THEY WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME ANY OF YOU TO GO TAKE A TOUR OF THEIR ORCHARD GROVE PROJECT. 
          AND THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY WELL RECEIVED AND THEY'RE FINDING THEY'RE GETTING VERY HIGH QUALITY TENANTS, A LOT OF LEASE RENEWALS BECAUSE IT JUST CAME OUT SO NICE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I SAID, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT DIRECTION THE BUILDINGS ARE ORIENTED IN EITHER PLAN AND HOW THE TRAFFIC WORKS IN THIS LITTLE, LIKE 13 ACRES. 
          SO ON UNDER THE MULTI-FAMILY PLAN, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A STATE HIGHWAY SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE NEW YORK STATE PARTNER. 
          TRANSPORTATION REQUIRES ALL DEVELOPERS IN ALL COMMUNITIES IN WESTERN NEW YORK. 
          AND YOU KNOW THIS VERY WELL 
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TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF CURB CUTS ONTO A STATE HIGHWAY. 
          SO WE ARE SHOWING ONE DRIVEWAY ONTO SOUTHWESTERN AND THEN ONE DRIVEWAY OPPOSITE, I BELIEVE IT'S DOGWOOD LANE THAT WOULD PROVIDE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION. 
          WE'RE SHOWING THAT EXACT SAME ACCESS FOR THE COMMERCIAL PLAN. 
          AND UNDER EITHER SCENARIO, OF COURSE THE BUILDINGS ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND WE COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED SETBACKS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, UNDER THE COMMERCIAL ALTERNATIVE IN THE ZONING CODE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A QUIRK. 
          THE SETBACK IS ONLY 40 FEET, SO A 40 FOOT REQUIRED SETBACK UNDER THE MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS LESS INTENSIVE. 
          THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS 50 FEET FROM THE REAR, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IF YOU LIVE BEHIND IT, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU CARE ABOUT THE MOST AS THE NATURE OF THE USE. 
          AND HOW LARGE IS THE GREEN SPACE BEHIND IT? THAT ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTHWESTERN PROBABLY GONNA BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT. 
          I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. 
          UM, THE OTHER ISSUE IS YOU SAW THE LANDSCAPE FIRM, THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN SAVE THESE TREES. 
          AND WE CAN LOOK AT, WE CAN LOOK AT TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE TREES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF, I I DID TALK TO SCOTT LIVINGSTON AT EARTH DIMENSION. 
          HE ALSO SAID THERE THERE'S A LOT OF DEAD AS STREETS ON THIS SITE. 
          SO WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT THROUGH YEAH, WE'RE NOT, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO CLEAR CUT THE SITE IF WHAT'S THERE TODAY CAN ACT THIS BETTER LANDSCAPING OR BETTER SCREENING THAN WE, THAN WE CAN PROPOSE. 
          WE'D CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO DO THE REQUIRED GRADING AS WELL. 
          I JUST WANNA VERIFY THAT'S DIRECTLY, UM, ACROSS THE STREET FROM GULL'S? YES. 
          GULL'S. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SAY YEAH. 
          SO GULL'S ON THE AERIAL PLAN IS LOCATED, WHEN YOU SEARCH HOWARD ROAD IN SOUTHWESTERN, YOU DON'T GET THIS ONE, YOU GET A DIFFERENT ONE ON THE GOOGLE MAP. 
          SO I HAD TO LIKE PROCESS, WHICH THERE'S ANOTHER LITTLE HOWARD ROAD OVER BY OH, I KNOW WHERE YOU MEAN. 
          YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW WHERE YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THE RIGHT ONE. 
          AND IT'S SHOWING ME THAT MORENO HOMES, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU TWO LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN CLEAR CUT AND THERE ARE NO OTHER TREES AROUND. 
          WELL MM-HMM . 
          LITTLE HISTORY AND I LIVE IN THERE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THEY TOOK OUT MORE TREES, THEY GET FINE. 
          THEY TOOK OUT MORE TREES. 
          THREES POST DATA PROJECT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T REALLY SHOW BECAUSE I TALK CLOSE TO SOUTHWESTERN AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT PARLEY, I MEAN THERE'S HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANYTHING BETWEEN THERE AND SOUTHWESTERN. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          WELL, KEEP IN MIND IT, IT OBVIOUSLY IT'S A SOMEWHAT IRREGULAR SHAPED PARCEL GIVEN THAT I THINK HISTORICALLY IT WAS PROBABLY TARGETED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT STILL HAS A DEPTH OF NEARLY 300 FEET OR AN NFL FOOTBALL FIELD. 
          SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME ROOM, MAYBE IT'S A FAR END, NO, GENERALLY ALMOST STRAIGHT ACROSS. 
          RIGHT BILL THAT'S AS, AS IT'S DESIGNED. 
          WE, WE HAVE THESE LANDSCAPE ROOMS WHICH ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT IN SIZE, WHICH PROVIDE A BUFFER NOT ONLY FOR OUR PROJECT, BUT THE PROJECT OR THE, THE LL I'LL TAKE YOU TO SOUTHWEST AND HOWARD MM-HMM . 
          AND YOU WON'T GET A FOOTBALL FIELD BETWEEN THERE AND CURRENT ROCKY. 
          YEAH. 
          ACTUALLY, JUST FOR CONTEXT, OUR OFFICE IS RIGHT DOWN THE OTHER SIDE OF HARVARD, UH, ROAD ON CAMP ROAD. 
          SO WE'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. 
          WE'VE WALKED IT A FEW TIMES. 
          WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT WE CAN CREATE A DECENT BUFFER, NOT ONLY WITH OUR BUILDINGS, BUT THE, THE LANDSCAPING AND ANY TREES WE'D BE ABLE TO SAVE. 
          THAT SHOULD BE A PRIVATE ROAD. 
          WELL EVERYTHING ON SITE WOULD BE PRIVATE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S A DRIVEWAY, NOT A ROAD THAT DRIVEWAY LATER ON HOWARD DRIVE ACROSS FROM DOGWOOD LANE. 
          RIGHT. 
          MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE PERFECTLY LINE UP WITH IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE ISSUE IS THE LONG, I MEAN THAT IS ALIGHTED INTERSPECTION IN SOUTHWESTERN POWER. 
          I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA, WE HAVE THE OTHER DEVELOPING NEW PLANE, THE OTHER END OF POWER NOT LIGHTED. 
          RIGHT NOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN THE GROUND. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY WON'T PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN UNTIL IT'S WARRANTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          PEOPLE LIVE IN THE AREA, THINK IT WARRANTED NOW, BUT THEY WON'T PUT IT IN UNTIL IT'S WARRANTED. 
          IT MEANS, SO ANYTHING YOU DO HERE, WHEN YOU GET THAT POINT, YOU'RE GONNA DO GIS FOR US AND SHOW THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND GET AN UPDATED NUMBER BECAUSE WE'RE HOPING AT SOME POINT, BUT PUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN AT THE OTHER END OF POWER. 
          RIGHT. 
          A LITTLE BIT EASIER BACK TO THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS CAN SURE. 
          SHOW THAT UP AGAIN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING DRIVE THROUGH. 
          UM, WHAT ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES DRIVE THROUGH IN THERE? WELL, SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING THERE IS WHAT I WOULD CALL TWO SMALLER RETAIL PLAZA BUILDINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU PICTURE WITH A TYPICAL MIXTURE OF KIND EITHER NATIONAL, REGIONAL, AND LOCAL. 
          AND THEN DRIVE THROUGH. 
          AND AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY MAKING AN EFFORT TO MARKET THAT. 
          OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THE DOWN ZONING APPROACH. 
          BUT WHEN YOU'RE, YOU SAID THOSE WERE 16,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS? YEAH. 
          FOOTPRINTS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU COMPARE THAT TO SIZE, IS THAT LIKE THE SIZE OF THE NEW STARBUCKS AND THE PLAZA THERE? IS THAT 16,000 FEET OR IS IT LIKE COMPARE THAT TOO, YOU KNOW, ONE 
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BUILDING THAT WE WOULD ENVISION THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD FIT IN THAT AREA. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT HOLLY'S, THE, THE AREA, THE COLLEAGUES OF ALL RECENTLY ALONG, UH, CAMP ROAD, THAT STYLE BUILDING WOULD FIT IN THAT, IN THAT BUILDING. 
          IS THAT ABOUT SAME SIZE OR THAT BIGGER? AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. 
          UM, THAT'S THE THEME OR OR SCALE OF BUILDING THAT WE WOULD, THAT WE'D PURSUE. 
          DO YOU REMEMBER HOW BIG THE BUILDING IS? YOU PUT IT AT THE DANCE, WELL YOU DIDN'T PUT IT THERE BUT YOUR CLIENT PUT IT WITH THE STARBUCKS IN THE MOST. 
          HOW BIG THAT THAT'S SMALLER. 
          THAT'S CONSIDERABLY SMALLER. 
          SMALLER. 
          YEAH THAT'S WAY SMALLER. 
          SO THAT'S WAY SMALLER. 
          SO IT WOULD BE MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT. 
          THAT BUILDING MENTALLY, ARE YOU, ARE YOU SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE STARBUCKS BUILDING? YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS . 
          THAT BUILDING I THINK IS, THAT BUILDING IS FOUR TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET I BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THAT RIGHT. 
          I THINK THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH BUILDING WOULD BE SOMEWHERE SIMILAR TO THE, THE STARBUCKS BUILDING PROBABLY IF YOU TOOK THE MOS MO, THE PLAZA MCKINLEY AND UH, SOUTHWESTERN, THE OLD SEVEN CORNERS THERE, THE ONE ON THE SIDE THAT IS PROPOSING THE, THE, THE COOKIE. 
          I BELIEVE SOME OF THOSE ARE THE 15,000 SQUARE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT THAT'S, YEAH. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY BY THE WAY FOR C ONE ZONING, YOU'RE KIND OF LIMITED TO THAT. 
          THEY TALK ABOUT THAT THE BUILDING SHOULD BE IN THE 15,000 SQUARE. 
          UM, THEY SHOULDN'T BE ANY BIGGER THAN THAT. 
          AND THE USAGE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE UNOBTRUSIVE USES. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT, IT CAN'T SERVE ALCOHOL BECAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AND WHATEVER. 
          SO ARE THERE ARE LIMITATIONS IN THE C ONE DISTRICT BETWEEN COMMERCIAL USE IN THERE? NOT LIKE C TWO WHERE YOU CAN JUST PUT ABOUT ANYTHING C ONE KIND OF LIMITS AND LIMITS. 
          SIZES AND LIMITS INTRU USES BECAUSE THEY'RE GENERALLY C ONE USES ARE GENERALLY IN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE USES INCLUDE RETAIL AND OFFICE BUILDINGS, RESTAURANT AND BARS, GARDEN CENTERS, MOTELS AND HOTELS. 
          WE CALL SOME OF THE USES SPECIFIED IN THE C ONE SECTION ALSO REQUIRES SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS THIS BOARD IS. 
          UM, I MEAN I THINK THAT THERE IS A BENEFIT TO HAVING A MORE COMPARABLE ADJACENT USE, BUT I THINK THAT GETTING SOME INPUT FROM THE ADJACENT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A SURE. 
          AN HOA OR SOME SORT OF LIKE RESIDENCE AND HAVING SOME SORT OF MEETING WITH THAT, THAT AS PART OF THE PROCESS SEEM WOULD BE EXCITED TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE RETAIL AND WALKING DISTANCE TO THEIR HOMES. 
          BUT IT, IT DOES SEEM TO BE MORE CONSISTENT. 
          I WOULD HAVE UNSURPRISINGLY COMMENTS ON POTENTIAL SITE PLAN IF YOU WERE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH EITHER ONE OF THESE, BUT IF THAT WAS THE SORT OF FEEDBACK YOU WERE LOOKING AT, I THINK OBVIOUSLY THERE'S PROPERTY OWNER CAN DEVELOP A SITE THAT DOES HE FIT YOU WOULD NEED TO REZONING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RIGHT. 
          AMENABLE TO THE TOWN. 
          BUT THE WEIRD PART, DO WE KNOW THE HISTORY? ONE OF THE MAPS WHEN YOU GO TO THE TOWN, GIS SHOWS THIS FAR PROPERTY ON THE, THE NORTHERN END OR WHATEVER THAT A BOX OF RESIDENTIAL SHOWS UP AS A PARK. 
          IT HAS THIS LITTLE, IT SAYS TOWN PARK AND IT SHOWS THIS LITTLE SECTION GOING ON IN THE BACK OF THESE HOUSES HERE, BOTH THE FLOODWAY AND FLOOD PLAIN. 
          SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT CAN BE PART, WHAT'S THAT? UM, RIGHT HERE I BELIEVE THERE IS A STRING AND WAS DEDICATED TO THE DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          OH IS IT, IT IS THIS PIECE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT'S PROBABLY AT ONE POINT WHEN THE TOWN WANTED PARKS FOR EVERY SUBDIVISION THEY TOOK, IT REQUIRED THAT TO BE DEDICATED AND THEN IT'S PROBABLY LARGELY SEPARATE. 
          SO NICE IF THEY KEEP THE END OF THIS RESERVE UP A LARGE ENOUGH AREA TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S PASSIVE RECREATION OR WHATEVER. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          IT'S FLOOD PLAINS WETLANDS AND, AND FLOODWAY DOWN THERE. 
          SURE. 
          SO IF THE FLOW COMMERCIAL, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES AND HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IN THERE? THOSE DRIVEWAY SEEM SMALL. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, SO AGAIN, YOU'RE PROPOSING THERE NO, WE DON'T HAVE THE PARKING CALCULATION ON HERE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, KEEP MIND BECAUSE IT'S TOWN OF HAMBURG, ULTIMATELY YOU GUYS MAKE A PARKING CALCULATION, RIGHT? SO CHRIS DIDN'T PUT ONE. 
          BUT GENERALLY FOR AT LEAST THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITHOUT THE TAKEOUT RESTAURANT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, TYPICALLY YOU WANT FIVE PER THOUSAND FOR RETAIL. 
          SO YOU 32,000 TIMES FIVE, THAT'S 150 PARKING SPACES AT LEAST JUST FOR THOSE TWO BUILDINGS AND WE CAN FIT IT AND STILL COMPLY WITH ALL SUBJECTS AND ACCESS OFF OF SOUTHWESTERN IS NOT A PROBLEM. 
          AND HOW WOULD YOU CONTROL THAT? WELL, I MEAN WHAT WHAT DREW'S PROBABLY SAYING AGAIN, DOT HAS NOT LOOKED AT IT, THEY WOULD PROBABLY COME BACK AND SAY THAT THAT DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO BE LIMITED TO RIGHT. 
          AND RIGHT. 
          I'M ALMOST, ALMOST NOT. 
          THEY HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          THE LEFT HAND TURN IN THIS SECTION 
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ARE ALL LEVELS. 
          YEAH, I WOULD, I I WOULD GUESS THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO THEN THE ACCESS WOULD'VE TO GO TO HOWARD GROVE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO RIGHT? IT HAS TO GET OUT THE, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT. 
          WE NEED, WE WOULD NEED TWO MEANS OF EGRESS, RIGHT? BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE NO, YOU DON'T REACH THE THRESHOLD FOR TWO FEET. 
          I'M TO BE HUNDRED UNITS. 
          WELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL ABOUT, OH COMMERCIAL. 
          EITHER WE WOULDN'T NEED IT BY THE FIRE CODE. 
          THE TOWN MAY STILL WANT IT BUT IT'S NOT A PART OF FIRE. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA EXIT ON HOWARD. 
          THEY'RE GONNA YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE UNDER EITHER APPROACH. 
          MY QUESTION, THERE'S CHAIR, WELL I, AGAIN, KNOWING DOT'S POLICY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE. 
          THAT'S ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE I THINK IS GONNA GET STUCK WITH THAT. 
          I, I THINK FOR YOU, I WOULD SET UP A MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY COMPLAIN NOW BECAUSE EVERYBODY CUTS FROM CAMP ROAD THROUGH HOWARD TO GET TO SOUTH , RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          AND IN THE MORNING TRAFFIC IS SO BACKED UP, IT'S UNREAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S A QUICK LIGHT THAT LEADS ME TO MY QUESTION. 
          I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA. 
          IT IS VERY, VERY, VERY CONGESTIVE ANYTIME OF DAY OR NIGHT AND TO ADD A RESIDENTIAL IN THERE. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION TO BILL IS CAN WE ASK FOR A TRAFFIC? OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE WOULD, WE WOULD DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE AS REGARDS TO WHAT YOU ASKED FOR, THERE'S A LOT OF BACKUP IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WOULD DO A TRAFFIC. 
          YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FLOW BETWEEN COMMERCIAL VERSUS I WANNA SEE THE DIFFERENCE VERSUS THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          I WOULD DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          WELL, I MEAN WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ULTIMATELY IS THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE COMMERCIAL GONNA RESULT FAR MORE TRAFFIC. 
          I MEAN IT IS GOING TO, I MEAN THAT THAT, I KNOW WE'D HAVE TO QUANTIFY IT, BUT IT WILL, IF THIS IS BACKING UP AS FAR AS DENNIS IS SUGGESTING THAT ARE THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET TRAPPED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T GET OUT ONTO HOWARDS. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AGAIN, I MENTIONED OUR OFFICES RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD ON, ON THE END OF HOWARD TO CAMP AND IN ALL OF MY TRAVELS I'VE NEVER BEEN STUCK AT THAT LIGHT MORE THAN ONE TURN. 
          I'M SORRY I DRIVE THAT EVERY DAY. 
          SURE. 
          EVERY DAY WE GET STUCK THERE. 
          SURE. 
          EVERY DAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I'VE DRIVEN THAT FREQUENTLY, UM, IN AND OUTTA THE OFFICE AND, AND I'VE NEVER BEEN STUCK FOR MORE THAN ONE TURN OF THE TURN OF THE OTHER. 
          BUT THAT'S THE OTHER END. 
          THAT'S NOT THIS END. 
          NO, DON'T SAY IT DRIVES THROUGH BOTH SIDES. 
          HE'S STATION I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'RE GONNA GET A PUSHBACK. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'RE CERTAINLY PLAN TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE GONNA, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT I MEAN IT IS ZONED RIGHT NOW TO ALLOW THE COMMERCIAL. 
          WE THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING BETTER. 
          AND I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT RESE MCDONALD'S ON EXACTLY $500,000 HOUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE REALITY IS, AND AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, IF THE RESIDENTS WOULD GIVE A, GIVE IT A PREFERENCE OF WHAT THEY'D WANT THEIR OVERALL, THEY'D WANT TO STAY GREEN SPACE. 
          I GET THAT, BUT MM-HMM  THE PROPERTY'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, SUITABLE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR MANY DECADES AND NOW THE LIBERATORY FAMILY AS THEY'RE STARTING TO AGE CONTACTED ALLIANCE AND SAID, HEY, CAN YOU HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO HERE? THERE'S A, THERE'S A LONG UH, TO MAKE LONG STORY SHORT, LONG HISTORY TO THE SITE, BUT BASICALLY WHY I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, THEY WANT TO DO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? THEY'RE ONLY SHOWING THE OTHER PLAN TO SHOW YOU UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL THIS IS WHAT COULD BE DONE AND THE R THREE END OF IT IS PRETTY MUCH WETLANDS AND PRETTY MUCH NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED. 
          RIGHT? SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING, AND AGAIN IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE CO REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT LOOK, WE WANT TO DO THIS, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO REQUIRE REZONING. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT COULD BE DONE UNDER THEIR CURRENT ZONING. 
          WHAT IS WORSE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WORSE OR WHAT'S BETTER. 
          THEY KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC STUDIES NEEDED. 
          THERE'S GONNA HAVE BE OTHER STUDIES DONE AND WHATEVER FOR ANYTHING TO OCCUR ON THIS SITE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE NOTICED A THIRD OPTION OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          YOU WOULD GET NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL. 
          I JUST THINK SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FRONTING ON THAT SEGMENT OF SOUTHWESTERN, YOU NEED TOO MANY CURB CUTS. 
          I DON'T SEE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU'D NEVER GET THOSE DRIVEWAYS. 
          NEVER NO CHANCE WOULD END UP WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER TO THE FOLKS ON, WE JUST SAW THE ONES ON OREGON ROAD WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE NOW ZONED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A VIABLE USE THERE. 
          OBVIOUSLY ALLIANCE HOMES DON'T NICE HOUSES IN MANY COMMUNITIES IN WESTERN YORK. 
          IF WE THOUGHT IT WAS A VIABLE SITE FOR THAT WE CONSIDER, BUT I JUST, I DON'T SEE IT THERE. 
          THIS SITE'S BEEN LOOKED AT FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT USES OVER THE LAST 25. 
          IT ACTUALLY WAS A SITE THAT WAS  WHEN THERE WAS PROPERTY BEHIND THERE. 
          UH, THE TOWN DID A BIG STUDY 25 YEARS AGO WHEN A NEW TOWN HALL AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE SITES THEY LOOKED AT AND BECAUSE OF, AND AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN THE OLD FACILITY THAT WAS BEHIND THERE HAS NOW BEEN CONVERTED. 
          WE APPROVED A SUBDIVISION THAT KIND OF LOOPS AROUND THAT FACILITY. 
          THAT'S WHAT THOSE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT FOR NOW. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, THE ALWAYS THE BIGGEST ISSUE, THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT WE HAD IS THE TRAFFIC IN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NO MATTER WHAT THEY PUT THERE. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE A TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT'S GOTTA BE RESOLVED. 
          MAYBE IT'S CHANGING OF THE TIMING OF THE LIGHTS, MAYBE IT'S OTHER, OTHER MITIGATION, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE'LL USE THE TRA SAME TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT DID ALL THE TRAFFIC STUDIES BACK, BACK IN THE NEIGHBOR AGAIN, WE CAN'T RECOMMEND ZONING OR ANYTHING AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT HASN'T FILED THE PROPER PROCEDURE. 
          THEY'RE JUST SHOWING YOU 
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AND GETTING YOUR INPUT. 
          IF THEY'RE GONNA PROCEED WITH WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, THEY GOTTA GO REVIEW COMMITTEE AND FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND WHATEVER. 
          WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS. 
          THEY JUST WANT TO COME BEFORE YOU SKETCH PLAN. 
          ANYBODY CAN PAY THE SKETCH PLAN AND COME BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON OWING THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST GIVE THEM ADVICE ON ALL THE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS OR ISSUES THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS IN ANY APPLICATION. 
          EITHER WAY YOU'RE NEED TO DEAL WITH LIGHTING TO THE ADJACENT HOMES BEHIND IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT BUFFER AND A FENCE BEHIND THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THERE AND THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD UNDER THE MULTI-FAMILY THING EITHER WAY. 
          BUT UNDER THE MULTI-FAMILY LAYOUT GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN EFFORT OBVIOUSLY NOT TO PUT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE BEHIND THE BUILDINGS. 
          I MEAN WE'D HAVE A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT CLEAR AS DAY SHOWS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          NO LIGHTING TO GO OVER. 
          THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO NEED FOR LIGHTING ON THE BACK. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT I THINK, MY GUESS IS THAT THOSE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA WANT, REGARDLESS OF THE USE, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE A FENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S A GOOD, A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY OF THAT. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN, UM, PROBABLY A ROBUST LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, SUPPLY TRAFFIC AREA IN TOWN. 
          WANT IT TO LOOK NICE ROBUST, UNDER EITHER PLANNED ROBUST, A NICE LOOKING LANDSCAPING, A NICE FRONTAGE VISUAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE I THINK MORE INTENSIVE LANDSCAPING UNDER THE MULTIFAMILY SCENARIO FOR SEVERAL REASONS. 
          NUMBER ONE, RETAIL DEPENDS ON VISIBILITY ALONG FRONTAGE. 
          WE DON'T NEED THAT FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, SO THAT'S WHY THAT GIVES US SOME MORE ABILITY TO PUT LARGER BERMS AND MORE LANDSCAPING. 
          AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD WELCOME INPUT. 
          THERE'S ALSO A, A 10 FOOT GREATER SETBACK ON THE MULTIFAMILY PORTION ALONG WITH SOME, UH, VERTICAL SETBACKS ON THE ACTUAL BUILDING. 
          AND IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE MULTIFAMILY IS LESS IMPERVIOUS SERVICE AND MORE OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE TREES BECAUSE UNLIKE THE SINGLE FAMILY WHERE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HOMES ARE GOING, LIKE, YOU KNOW WHERE THESE ARE GONNA GO. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU CAN YEAH. 
          AROUND THEM. 
          WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH CLEARING LIMITS AND ESTABLISHING CLEAR LIMITS WITH OUR CONTRACTORS AND ENSURING WE PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          AND IF YOU GO TO ORCHARD GROVE, DIFFERENT SITE, DIFFERENT SHAPE AND BIGGER SITE, BUT YOU'LL SEE THE EFFORT THAT WAS MADE BY ALLIANCE TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE AND THAT'S BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED. 
          THAT WAS WORKED OUT OVER THE COURSE OF MANY, MANY MEETINGS, INCLUDING THE CONSERVATION BOARD. 
          SO THE TRACK RECORDS THERE IN TERMS OF THAT ISSUE. 
          GREAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER POTENTIAL PROBLEMS WITH THIS THAT WE CAN THINK OF? ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I GUESS THAT'S IT THEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          HOW YOU RIGHT, I I WANNA SEE FOOTBALL. 
          YOU GO OUT THERE WITH THEM. 
          JOHN, I WANNA TAG ONE ON THAT SITE. 
          I'M ALWAYS SURPRISED AND THEN LIKE A LITTLE CAME OFF THE SIDE STREET THAT YOU HAD NEVER USED, BUT IT SITS BETWEEN BOSTON STATE AND APPARENT PEOPLE WENT THROUGH IT TO GET BETWEEN BOSTON STATE AND I WAS LIKE, THAT WOULD NEVER ME. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELCOME TO THE MAY 17TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD. 
          EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FROM PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS FOUNDATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY JUSTICE. 
          ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR PARK GROVE REALTY REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 70 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WEST OF W RILEY BOULEVARD. 
          GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? UM, MY NAME'S CROWLEY. 
          I'M THE PARK WORLD REALTY. 
          I'M JOINED WITH MY COLLEAGUES TREVOR, HOW, AND COLE OBH WITH PASSWORD ASSOCIATES WHO ARE THE CIVIL ENGINEER. 
          UM, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SEEN BEFORE. 
          I KNOW THE, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, STAFF HAS SEEN BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD HAS SEEN BEFORE. 
          IT'S BEEN, UH, PRESENTED, UH, PROBABLY FOR OVER A YEAR NOW. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, ALONG THE WAY WE HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD AND WE'VE BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATED TO THE FEEDBACK AND INPUT THAT, UH, WE ALL PROVIDED. 
          UM, AS A RESULT OF OUR, OUR OUR 
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LAST MEETING, UM, LAST MONTH, UH, THERE WERE A FEW, YOU KNOW, MAJOR, UM, NOT MAJOR, I'D SAY COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK, UH, THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE BOARD THAT, UH, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO REALLY ADDRESS. 
          UM, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT UM, YOU KNOW, THESE EDITS AND, AND SMALL MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE MADE, UH, PRIMARILY ALONG THE LOCATION OF TRASH ON THE GARBAGE DISPOSALS AND ALSO, UM, UH, LOCATION OF, UH, UH, SCHOOL PICKUP FOR CHILDREN. 
          I HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, AND I'LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO COLE AND MY ON MY TEAM JUST TO HIT ON HOW WE'VE MADE THOSE CHANGES AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          GOOD EVENING, COLE PASTOR ASSOCIATES. 
          AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING IN APRIL, UM, THE BOARD PROVIDED US WITH A COUPLE MINOR COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE SINCE ADDRESSED WITH THE LATEST VERSION OF PLANS. 
          FIRST ONE BEING THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. 
          IT WAS PREVIOUSLY LOCATED AT THE DEAD END SECTION OF THE ROADWAY HERE. 
          BUT IN ORDER TO ENHANCE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, WE NOW SHOW TWO SEPARATE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES. 
          ONE CENTRALLY LOCATED HERE TO SERVICE THESE FOUR BUILDINGS AND THEN ONE CENTRALLY LOCATED HERE TO SERVICE THE REMAINING BUILDINGS. 
          AND THIS, THIS WAY, UM, ANY TENANTS OF BUILDING ONE OR BUILDING FIVE DON'T HAVE TO TRAVERSE ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE IN ORDER TO THROW OUT THEIR TRASH. 
          SO WE BELIEVE WE'VE SATISFIED THAT COMMENT. 
          AND THEN THE, THE OTHER CONCERN WAS SCHOOL BUS PICKUP AND HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK. 
          SO WE CONTACTED FRONTIER SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THEY EXPLAINED TO US THAT BUS, THE BUSES ARE NOT GOING TO BE ENTERING THE SITE, BUT INSTEAD WE'LL JUST BE PULLING UP TO THE ENTRANCES AND PICKING UP THE STUDENTS THERE. 
          SO WE NOW SHOW A BUS STOP SHELTER AT THE WESTERN ENTRANCE, AND FOR THE EASTERN ENTRANCE, THE PROPOSED CLUBHOUSE IS GOING TO ACT AS THE THE BUS STOP SHELTER. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE, THE TWO LATEST CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THE PLAN SET. 
          WE'RE OPEN TO ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK OR QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE SCREENING AROUND THE TRASH, THE TRASH OFFICER DONE. 
          YES, THERE WILL BE THERE. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING? GOT THE NOTICE. 
          NOTE. 
          NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY PARK GROVE REALTY TO CONSTRUCT A SEVEN UNIT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WEST OF RILEY BOULEVARD. 
          PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON MAY 17TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL. 
          ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PARK THROUGH REALTY SO I CAN SEE PAPER. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT? YES, SIR. 
          COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME. 
          YEP. 
          HERE IT IS. 
          PLEASE. 
          UH, NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU WANNA GIVE THE ADDRESS. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WITH REASONABLE  NAME'S FRANK MILLER. 
          I LIVE AT 41 40 STOCKTON LANE IN HAMBURG, NEW YORK. 
          CAN YOU SPELL THAT LAST NAME? M-I-E-L-C-A-R-E-K. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ACCORDING TO THIS, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS MEETING AT QUARTER TO FOUR THIS AFTERNOON. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M COMING IN HERE COLD, BUT I'M ALSO COMING IN HERE. 
          P****D . 
          LET'S JUST GET EVERYTHING ABOVE BOARD. 
          YOU WANT TO CONSTRUCT A 70 MULTI-UNIT FACILITY ON RILEY. 
          DO ANY OF YOU LIVE AROUND THERE OR DO YOU LIVE SOMEPLACE ELSE IN HAMBURG? WELL, SO PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FIRST RECEIVED COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY, FIRST OF ALL, I, I WAS JUST BRINGING THAT BECAUSE IF YOU PUT IN A 70 UNIT CONSTRUCT OR 70 UNIT MULTI THING THERE WITH THE TRAFFIC, THAT'S ALREADY GONNA BE CONGESTED IN THERE, ESPECIALLY AROUND QUITTING TIME FROM THE SCHOOL AND THE TRAFFIC COMING HOME FROM WORK, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT ALMOST TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ACCIDENTS. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE THE FACILITIES TO GET IN AND OUT. 
          ESPECIALLY ON RILEY. 
          WHEN I TRY TO GET OUT ONTO BAYVIEW AT AROUND TWO, TWO O'CLOCK, I CAN'T DO IT. 
          I HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND GO BACK THE OTHER WAY. 
          GO TO BIG TREE. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN GET OUT. 
          SECOND OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SEVEN UNITS. 
          HOW MANY MULTIFAMILY UNITS HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THIS AREA WITHIN THE LAST SAY FIVE YEARS? THERE HAS BEEN A TON OF THEM. 
          EVERY TIME YOU BUILD ONE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, THIS ONE HERE, 70 UNITS. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MULTI FOUR CARS, UH, SAY TWO CARS PER, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 140 CARS OF ALL THAT TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THIS. 
          NOW, WHENEVER THERE'S A PROBLEM AND THEY CALL 9 1 1 
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THE AMBULANCE OR OR EMTS HAVE TO RESPOND EVERY TIME THEY RESPOND. 
          YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A POLICE OFFICER RESPOND. 
          YOU ALREADY GOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE SO STRAINED. 
          I WAS DOWN THERE TALKING TO 'EM. 
          THAT YOU'VE GOT GUYS THERE THAT, THAT ARE 65 TO SEVEN YEARS OLD WHO ARE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE INFLUX OF CALLS AND THEY CAN'T DO IT. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO WORK ALL DAY COMING HOME AND THEN THEY'RE GOING OUT ON CALLS ALL NIGHT. 
          THEY CAN'T EVEN GET VOLUNTEERS ANYMORE. 
          AND THEN EVERY TIME YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY CALL AT ONE OF THE APARTMENT HOUSES, AN OFFICER OF THE LAW HAS TO BE THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BY ANY OF YOU. 
          I HOPE IT IS. 
          I JUST HOPE THAT YOU LOOK AT THIS WHOLE THING LOGICALLY AND COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT I WOULD ASSUME THAT HALF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM ARE, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT WRONG PLACE, THE WRONG PLACE FOR IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THIS, UH,  REALTY, THEY REALLY DON'T CARE. 
          THEY DON'T LIVE AROUND HERE. 
          THEY LIVE SOMEPLACE ELSE. 
          THEY DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS HERE. 
          THE ONLY THING THERE AND FOR, THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY. 
          AND I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I JUST WANT YOU TO TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT? YES. 
          COME ON UP. 
          PLEASE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          MY NAME IS BRAUN, B-R-A-U-N 3 7 8 4 HOOVER ROAD. 
          UM, I, I GET THAT WE NEED PROGRESS. 
          WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN PROGRESS, BUT I, I'M LOOKING AT JUST THIS DOCKET TODAY. 
          FOUR OF THE THINGS ON THIS DOCKET ARE FOR MULTI-FAMILY, WHATEVER UNITS. 
          AND, AND I DON'T WANNA SOUND, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M STUPID OR NOT. 
          WHAT IS A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT? WHAT IS THAT? AN APARTMENT? WHAT ARE THEY? CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? THANK YOU. 
          CYNTHIA. 
          WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? WELL, HOLD ON. 
          SO, OH, SHE WAS, SHE SAID SHE COULD. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FOR US TO RECEIVE COMMENTS, NOT BACK AND FORTH WITH QUESTIONS. 
          OH, YOU, I, OKAY. 
          YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF THEY ARE APARTMENTS, WHICH I LOOKED IT UP ON GOOGLE AND IT SAID THEIR APARTMENTS. 
          I'M WITH THE GUY BACK THERE. 
          HAVE YOU GUYS DRIVEN AROUND? WE'RE, WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE TOWN OF APARTMENTS. 
          HOMES ARE FINE, BUT 'CAUSE CITIZENS CARE ABOUT THE TOWN I LIVE IN THIS TOWN. 
          I HAVE, I, I HAVE A HOUSE. 
          I CARE ABOUT THIS STATISTICALLY, APARTMENT PEOPLES DON'T VOTE. 
          THEY DON'T, IT'S NOT THEIR TOWN. 
          THIS IS OUR TOWN. 
          WE HAVE TO FOUR ON THIS DOCKET ALONE OF MULTI OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS. 
          WE HAVE TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK, DRIVE AROUND, LOOK WHAT'S ALREADY UP AND BUILT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FOUR ON. 
          OKAY. 
          NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. 
          FRANCINE GEIER 37 92 HOOVER ROAD. 
          AND I, I, I ORIGINALLY CAME HERE FOR 3,800, WHICH IS ALSO A TOWNHOUSE, MULTI HIGH FAMILY BUILDING. 
          BUT IT IN ACCORD WITH BOTH WITH THE DOWN IN  AND MS. BRO SAID, AND JUST BEING A CITIZEN OF HAMBURG RESIDENT, SORRY. 
          AND JUST TO TALK AROUND TOWN GENERALLY IS THAT HAMBURG IS A W***E TO APARTMENTS AND COMPLEX AND HOW EVERYWHERE NEW TURN IN THIS TOWN RIGHT NOW, OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING UP FOR MULTIFAMILY OR MULTI APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOUSES AND  STOP. 
          I WENT TO, I WENT TO MY DAUGHTER'S GYNECOLOGIST OTHER DAY SEE HER SONOGRAM. 
          AND THE LADY GIVEN THE SONOGRAM WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHO I WAS OR ANYTHING ABOUT ME, SAID SHE LIVES IN THE TOWN OF HAMMER. 
          AND SHE IS ONE EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE I BUMP INTO EVERY DAY IN THIS TOWN THAT ARE SICK OF IT. 
          BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE. 
          NOT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE. 
          THEY DON'T, I MEAN, I, I'M, I HAVE IMPLIED TO GO AND JUST RALLY THE FORCES. 
          'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF HAMBURG TOWN RESIDENTS THAT MAYBE YOU DO OR DON'T HEAR FROM AT THESE MEETINGS THAT DON'T LIKE WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH ALL OF THIS TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THE MONEYMAKING PART AND I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE NEED PLACES TO 
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LIVE BUT BUILD HOMES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND STOP TAKING AWAY THE GREEN SPACE TO DO IT. 
          WOO. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENT? YES. 
          NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. 
          . 
          I JUST HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT ON FROM RILEY. 
          WE HAVE TO COME UP SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR YOU GUYS TOO WHEN YOU GUYS TALK. 
          WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          I KNOW. 
          WELL, WE'RE ALSO RECORDING. 
          SPEAK LOUDER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT COME SPEAK ON BEHALF OF STUFF, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU BACK HERE. 
          SO, BUT ANYWAYS, MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT ONTO SOUTHWESTERN FROM RILEY. 
          IF YOU EVER TRY TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN, IT'S VERY, VERY DANGEROUS. 
          AND WITH MORE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THESE MULTI APARTMENTS, WHATEVER THIS UNIT, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE KIDS, MORE CARS, EVERYTHING COMING OUT. 
          AND IT'S VERY HARD. 
          THEY'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING AT THAT CORNER. 
          IT'S VERY, YEAH, IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OUT OF THERE. 
          EVEN A LOT OF TIMES A RIGHT HAND TURN, YOU COME OUT OF THE SENIOR CENTER TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN. 
          IF YOU TRY TO GO THE OTHER WAY, GOING DOWN BAYVIEW, MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN ON SOUTH PARK. 
          FORGET IT. 
          MY CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT THERE, SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET KILLED. 
          NAME AND ADDRESS OF RECORD, SIR? UH, DENNIS BOLTON OF STOCKTON ONE. 
          CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME PLEASE? B-O-L-T-O-N. 
          AND UM, FIRST OF ALL, NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS KNEW ABOUT THIS MEETING. 
          IT WASN'T WELL PUBLICIZED. 
          I CALL ON MONDAY BECAUSE I SAW THE PHONE NUMBER ON THE SIGN, WHICH HAS SINCE DISAPPEARED. 
          UM, AND I GOT MY CALL BACK AT ONE O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON. 
          NOBODY, NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS KNEW ABOUT THIS MEETING. 
          AND THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN SETTLED FROM MAYBE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AGO IT WAS. 
          SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD APARTMENTS ON RILEY IN EXACTLY THE SAME LOCATION. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID. 
          THE TRAFFIC THERE IS GOING TO BE HORRENDOUS WHEN YOU HAVE 70, 70, UH, VEHICLES COMING OUT OF A, A BASICALLY ONE STREET. 
          IT'S NOT A BIG STREET IF YOU ALL ARE I'M SURE ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A CUT THROUGH. 
          IT'S A WAY TO GET FROM SOUTHWESTERN TO, UM, BIG, BIG TREE WITHOUT UH, HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE, LIKE THE LADY SAID, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUT OF THERE AND MAKE A LEFT TURN. 
          IF YOU'RE TRYING COMING DOWN RILEY TOWARDS SUN, TOWARD WEST SOUTHWESTERN, UM, IT'S, THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE HORRENDOUS. 
          I GUARANTEE YOU. 
          THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS WITH PEOPLE ZIPPING IN AND OUT OF THESE 70 UNITS, WHICH, HOW MANY BUILDINGS WILL THERE BE? THEY'RE ALL 70 IN ONE BUILDING. 
          THERE'S SEVEN, THERE ARE SEVEN BUILDINGS LIKE THE ONE THAT'S BEING OUT SHOWN HERE, RIGHT. 
          SEVEN BUILDINGS ON A PIECE OF LAND THAT IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT WE'RE EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT, PARTICULARLY SINCE THE IDEA WAS TURNED DOWN BY THE COMMUNITY TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. 
          AND NOW WE'RE BACK TO TRYING TO REZO. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 
          HAS IT BEEN REZONED? WHAT HAPPENED? I DUNNO. 
          ANYWAY, IT IS A, IT'S A FOOLISH IDEA. 
          IT IS. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS WOULD NOT SUPPORT IT IF THEY EVEN KNEW THERE WAS A MEETING TONIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. 
          WHAT, WHERE WAS THIS PUBLICIZED? THANK YOU SIR. 
          SO THERE'S NO ANSWER. 
          WHAT, WHAT? I THINK THEY PUT IT IN THE PAPER. 
          STEVE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT? YES SIR. 
          YEAH, I DIDN'T EVEN COME HERE FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT I JUST WANNA IN INPUT. 
          SO IT'S, IT IS PUT IN THE SUN, WHICH I KNOW EVERYBODY KNEW THE SUN, SO MAYBE IT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD POST IT IN LIKE A MAILED OUT BULLETIN OR SOMEBODY BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY GETS THE PAPER. 
          I THINK MARK MALL BY THE WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YOUR ADDRESS, YOU. 
          I DON'T EVEN LIVE CLOSE. 
          I HAVE THE ADDRESS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT IT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT THAT MAYBE MORE PEOPLE YOU'D ACTUALLY GET MORE INVOLVEMENT IF MORE PEOPLE KNEW 
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ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. 
          I STILL GET THE SUNS BECAUSE I JUST LIKE READING IT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T GET IT. 
          I KNOW THAT'S WHERE YOU PUT MOST OF YOUR POSTINGS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, I MEAN THE COM WEBSITE SUCKS ASS SO IT'S LIKE HARD TO READ STUFF. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GET THAT STUFF. 
          AND THEN AS A SIDE NOTE TOO, I DON'T WANNA SEE OUR SECTION OF 20 TURN INTO LIKE, WILLIAMSVILLE ON TRANSIT WHERE IT'S LIKE APARTMENT COMPLEX A APART BECAUSE ALL YOU GOTTA DO WITH ANY TIME OF DAY IS ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A COUPLE STORES OR A COUPLE EXTRA TRAFFIC LIGHTS WOULD HAVE TO BE PUT IN IN THIS SITUATION. 
          IT'S JUST GONNA GET BACKED UP AND WE'RE JUST GONNA LOOK LIKE EVERY OTHER OVERDEVELOPED TIME AND THAT'S WHAT I DON'T. 
          HI, MY NAME IS MARY DEN. 
          I LIVE AT 1 0 2 OAK HILL DRIVE. 
          CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR RECORD? NO, I KNOW. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE GIVING A DIFFERENT OPINION AND I WROTE IT DOWN BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          SO CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? SURE. 
          O-D-D-E-N. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY NAME IS MARY DEN. 
          I LIVE OVER IN THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG WITH MY HUSBAND AND 3-YEAR-OLD AND OUR DOG. 
          I MOVED TO HAMBURG WHEN I WAS 15. 
          UM, I MANAGED TO BUY A HOME HERE IN 2013 WHEN HOME CRISIS WERE THE LOWEST THEY HAVE BEEN IN 20 YEARS BECAUSE OF THE 2009 RECESSION. 
          UH, I WORKED FULL-TIME AT THE UNIVERSITY OF BUFFALO AS AN ASSESSMENT SPECIALIST. 
          SO I'M A DATA PERSON AND MY HUSBAND WORKS FULL-TIME AS AN INSTRUCTIONAL DESIGNER. 
          HE TEACHES TEACHERS AND NON TEACHERS ABOUT TEACHING. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF LIKE WHO I AM AND WHAT I DO AND WHO'S SHOCKING TO YOU. 
          IN 2012 AND 2016, THE US CENSUS, UH, SURVEY SHOWED THAT ABOUT 954 HOMES WERE OWNED IN THE AREA IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THIS PLANNED WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT ON RILEY ROAD. 
          AND IN 20 16, 30 4% WERE ONE IN THREE HOMEOWNERS IN THAT SAME SPECIFIC AREA WHO HAD INCOMES OF LESS THAN 75 KA YEAR FELT BURDENED BY HOUSING. 
          ALRIGHT, A MORE RECENT SURVEY SAW THIS GO UP TO 36%. 
          SO THAT'S NOT SURPRISINGLY RIGHT. 
          IT SUCKS TO OWN A HOME RIGHT NOW AND IT'S JUST GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO FIND ONE THAT YOU CAN AFFORD. 
          THE MEDIAN INCOME HOUSING FOR ERIE COUNTY. 
          SO THE EXACT MIDDLE INCOME OF WHAT EVERYONE IS MAKING, THE DEFINITION OF WORKING CLASS IN ERIE COUNTY IS 62,000 K. 
          WHAT KIND OF JOBS MAKE THAT KIND OF MONEY? IF YOU LOOK AROUND HERE LIKE GOOGLE IT, YOU'LL FIND SOME AT GENERAL MILLS AS A SERIAL PACKING MECHANIC OR ROBOTICS LEAD AT KH INDUSTRIES WHERE YOU DO NEED A COLLEGE DEGREE OR A SALES PERSON OR A MECHANIC AT BISON FLEET OR AN RN EDUCATOR OR A PARALEGAL AT HODGKIN. 
          RUSS LLP GOV SALARIES.COM REPORTS THAT THE MEDIAN SALARY AT FRONTIER CENTRAL SCHOOL RIGHT NEXT DOOR WAS ABOUT $46,000 A YEAR IN 2002 22. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU CAN AGREE THAT THESE ARE THE KINDS OF PEOPLE, MECHANICS, TEACHERS, SALESPEOPLE, RNS AND PEOPLE WORKING IN MANUFACTURING DESERVE TO LIVE AND WORK IN THIS FABULOUS TOWN AS MUCH AS WE DO. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S HARD TO FIND HOUSING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD. 
          AND THE IDEA BEHIND WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHICH WAS WHAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, IS THAT HOUSEHOLDS THAT MAKE BETWEEN 80% AND 120% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME OF A PARTICULAR AREA. 
          SO IN THIS AREA, IF YOU'RE A FAMILY OF FREE, THAT 63 K IS SO THAT THEY CAN FIND A PLACE TO LIVE IN HAMBURG. 
          THAT'S THESE PEOPLE, THAT'S PEOPLE LIKE ME. 
          THAT'S YOU IF YOU WERE ENTERING THE WORKFORCE THIS YEAR, AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT TOOK ME NEARLY 10 YEARS TO JUST START MAKING ABOVE THE MEDIAN FOR HAMBURG AS AN EDUCATED PROFESSIONAL. 
          AND JUST NOW, JUST NOW I AM MAKING TOO MUCH FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING IN HAMBURG AND I AM INCREDIBLY LUCKY. 
          THIS DEMONSTRATES BEING OPPORTUNITY OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IN OUR WONDERFUL TOWN. 
          THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. 
          I LOVE LIVING HERE, HERE TODAY. 
          EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT MOST OF YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS BE VERY SCARY FOR ME TO BE UP HERE NOW ACTUALLY. 
          BUT MOST OF MY PEERS AND VERY FEW OF MY COLLEAGUES CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. 
          LIKE WE ONLY BUILD AT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH GREAT BIG LAWNS THAT HAVE TO BE MOWED IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE FAR FROM THEIR JOBS IN THE CITY THAT ARE 200 SQUARE THOUSAND FEET AND COST 300 TO 600 K THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR. 
          AND NOT EVERYONE EVEN WANTS THAT. 
          IN FACT, THERE'S A REASON THERE ARE THESE APARTMENTS GOING UP EVERYWHERE. 
          THEY'RE VERY DESIRABLE. 
          AND THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE ME OR MY PEERS, OR YOUR AGING PARENTS OR YOUR FRESHLY GRADUATED KIDS OR KIDS' TEACHERS AND ARE ELECTRONS OR OUR FAVORITE BARISTAS OR OUR POLICE OFFICERS. 
          THEY NEED SOMEWHERE TO LIVE TO. 
          I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE CHANGING CHARACTER OF OUR, 
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OF OUR TOWN. 
          SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF OUR TOWN CURRENTLY. 
          WHAT IS THAT SPACE? IT'S NOTHING. 
          IT'S A FIELD. 
          NOW ADJACENT TO THAT FIELD IS A CAR WASH, A TRACTOR SUPPLY, A HIGH SCHOOL, A NEIGHBORHOOD OF DU A PEDIATRICIAN'S OFFICE. 
          I BELIEVE THERE MIGHT BE A DELI OR A CONVENIENCE STORE AS WELL. 
          HONESTLY SOUNDS LIKE A PERFECT PLACE TO ADD ADDITIONAL, UH, HOUSING, UH, APARTMENT STYLE HOUSING FOR MIDDLE INCOME WORKERS LIKE TEACHERS, POLICE OFFICERS, CIVIL SERVANTS, UNIVERSITY FACILITY, PLANT WORKERS, PEOPLE JUST STARTING FAMILIES OR PEOPLE WHO DON'T NEED THE RESPONSIBILITY OF LARGE YARDS BUT WANT TO BE CLOSE TO THEIR EXISTING FAMILIES IN TOWN. 
          AND LISTEN, I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WHEN IT WAS PROPOSED IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ANYONE TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD IS TO ENSURE THAT IS STILL HAPPENING BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE AFFORDABLE AND I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T WANT ANOTHER LUXURY APARTMENT COMING IN BECAUSE I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MY PEERS AND YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR GRANDPARENTS AND YOUR PARENTS BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS TOWN BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO LIVE IN THIS TOWN RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS AFFORDABILITY. 
          ANYWAY, SORRY. 
          I KNOW THERE ARE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. 
          I TAKE THIS ROUTE HOME VERY OFTEN AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THIS AREA IS ALREADY TARGETED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT IS NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ORDER. 
          THE MORE WE HAVE THINGS HAPPENING ON SOUTHWESTERN, THE MORE THAT THAT THIS BECOMES A PRIORITY AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TARGET, WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION IF WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT. 
          THIS PROJECT CAN BE USED AS AN IMPETUS TO PRIORITIZE THIS INTERSECTION RATHER THAN CONTINUE TO IGNORE IT. 
          SO I KNOW CHANGE IS SCARY, BUT I URGE, URGE THE BOARD AND THE RESIDENTS TO SEE THE, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST AND PAY ATTENTION RATHER THAN TO BE A GRADE AND SAY NO. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CONTINUE TO NOT INVEST IN HOUSING FOR OUR EXTENDED FAMILIES. 
          UM, THEY WILL SIMPLY LEAVE US AS THEY HAVE DONE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT GIVING THEM A PLACE TO LIVE THAT FITS THEIR LIFESTYLE SO THEY CAN STAY HERE AND CONTINUE TO GROW UP WITH US RATHER THAN PLEASURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS BOARD DOES NOT SET TOWN POLICY. 
          SO AS FAR AS OVERALL, SHOULD THERE BE MORE OR LESS APARTMENTS IN THE TOWN, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY A TOWN BOARD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TYPE ISSUE. 
          UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? YES. 
          NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. 
          ANN CIDER. 
          43 30 BERKELEY, S-E-I-B-E-R. 
          I WAS NOT PLANNING ON SPEAKING, I DON'T ANYBODY NOTES, BUT I WAS NOT HAPPY WITH ONE OF THE, UH, PROBLEMS THAT HAD BEEN PRESENTED, WHICH IS, UH, CHILDREN WALKING OR HAVING TO WALK TO SCHOOL. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO BUS STOPS THAT GOING TO BE FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL OR IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR, UM, OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? IT'LL BE FOR ALL OF THE KIDS. 
          ANSWER QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST GOT . 
          WHAT SCHOOL? ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          CHECK ONLINE WOULD JUST ALSO REMIND ANY OF OUR APPLICANTS, UH, THE CAMERA IS THIS EASEL THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT ALREADY CAME UP ONLINE. 
          UH, BEST NOT TO KEEP YOUR REAR END FACING THE CAMERA OR THAT IS ALL THAT IS STREAMED ON FACEBOOK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE ONLY COMMENT WE'VE HAD SO FAR, BUT, UM, REMINDS ME WHEN DURING COVID, ONE OF THE THINGS STARTED DURING THE PLEDGE. 
          I'M STANDING IN FRONT OF MY CAMERA, SO, SO ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S JUST A PICTURE OF IT'S EMBARRASSING. 
          UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THE APPLICANT GETS A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED IN WRITING. 
          WE DO ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY. 
          OH, WE GOT, WE GOT ONE MORE COMMENT. 
          SO THE LAST COMMENT FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, WE HAD A COMMENT FROM MARCY ANN, UH, RILEY BOULEVARD WAS INITIALLY BUILT FOR THE FRONTIER SCHOOL BUSES TO GET INTO OR OUT ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD DUE TO THE INCREASED TRAFFIC ON SOUTH PARK BUILDING APARTMENTS DEFEATS THE PURPOSE FOR THE SCHOOL BUSES AND TRAFFIC MEET WITH THE FIRE COMPANIES. 
          LET'S SEE, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES. 
          THIS IS A HUGE TRAGEDY THAT CAN BE AVOIDED. 
          UM, DO YOU WANNA CLOSE? YEAH, I GOT PUBLIC CLOSE BULK HERE BEFORE I GO TO EX DONNA THE SECOND TIME. 
          ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? SO I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS THE APPLICANT HAS TIME TO RESPOND IN WRITING TO THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, THIS HAS BEEN KICKING AROUND 
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FOR A WHILE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY YET OR NOT. 
          SURE. 
          CAN I PROVIDE A, A RESPONSE? YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT IN WRITING AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN PROVIDE A YES OR NO TO THAT. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW AS PART OF THE REZONE, THERE'S A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT WE COULD CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC IMPACT. 
          UM, AND THE TOWN BOARD CONCLUDED THAT, UH, THERE WAS NOT A NEGATIVE IMPACT TRAFFIC AND ANY IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT MATTER. 
          ALRIGHT, I, I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD REMINDER FOR EVERYBODY THOUGH, IS THAT THIS, THIS SECRET DETERMINATION THAT WE OFTEN DO WITH SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THAT E HEAR US REVIEW ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WAS DONE FOR THE REZONING. 
          NO, DREW IS GONNA CORRECT ME. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          FIRST OF ALL, UNDER DREW RILEY, THE TOWN PLANNER, UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS HERE, UM, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          THIS ORIGINALLY WAS APPROVED AS A BUSINESS FARM MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, DREW, DECADES AGO, I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN, UH, SINCE THE PARK WAS APPROVED, APPROVED AS A BUSINESS PARK, RILEY BOULEVARD WAS PUT IN AS A MITIGATION TO THIS, THIS PROJECT BEING A BUSINESS PARK. 
          AN ACCESSORY THING WAS, IT WAS ANOTHER ACCESS FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, SCHOOL BUSES. 
          BUT THE RILEY BOULEVARD WAS PUT IN FOR THE BUSINESS PARK. 
          BUSINESS PARK. 
          VERY LITTLE DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED IN THE BUSINESS PARK. 
          THE APPLICANT CAME TO THE TOWN LAST YEAR AND ASKED THE TOWN BOARD TO REZONE THIS SECTION OF THE BUSINESS PART TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THROUGH A PROCESS AS IF THEY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I THINK SOME OF YOU SPOKE AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I READ THE MEETING MINUTES. 
          THE TOWN BOARD DID DECIDE TO REZONE THIS SITE TO RESIDENTIAL BELIEVING IT WAS LESS OF AN IMPACT THAN FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THIS SITE. 
          REZONED IT TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          WHAT CAITLYN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THERE WAS ONE THING THAT WAS NOT A MISTAKE, BUT THE TOWN BOARD DID IN THEIR, AND I HAVE A COPY OF THE SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION. 
          THEY ONLY DID A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON THE ACTUAL REZONING. 
          THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER THE PROJECT, BUT THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT SPECIFIC IMPACT. 
          WE AS A SITE PLAN, REVIEW COMMITTEE OR BOARD SITE PLAN, BOARD PLANNING BOARD NEEDS TO MAKE SURE FROM A SECRET STANDPOINT AND REISSUE THAT DECISION. 
          THE DECISION IS BASED UPON A FINDINGS DOCUMENT. 
          THERE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT FROM 20 YEARS AGO. 
          JUST AS WE DO FOR OTHER PROJECTS AND DETERMINE THERE ARE SOME CHANGES IN THIS. 
          ARE THE CHANGES IN A SIGNIFICANT TO CAUSE A PROBLEM? THE RESIDENTS HAVE RAISED SOME CONCERNS. 
          I BELIEVE THE ISSUES OF TRAFFIC, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE DOCUMENTED THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A TRAFFIC IMPACT. 
          OTHER IMPACTS OF PUBLIC SERVICES, ET CETERA. 
          WE AS A PLANNING BOARD, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE TOWN IS ACTUALLY MORE PROACTIVE IN PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          REALIZE BY STATE LAW FOR SITE PLAN APPROVALS, THERE NORMALLY IS NO PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SITE PLAN IS ABOUT THE PROPERTY IS OWNED CORRECTLY AND YOU JUST HAVE TO CONFORM IT TO IT. 
          SO THERE'S REALLY NOT PUBLIC HEARINGS REQUIRED. 
          BUT THE TOWN BOARD 25 YEARS AGO DECIDED FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, WE WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PUT SIGNAGE UP ON THE PROPERTY, LET RESIDENTS KNOW IN THE AREA STATE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. 
          THE TOWN IS WORKING ON A NEW WEBSITE, TRYING TO GET MORE WAYS OF GETTING INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND TRYING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE TOWN. 
          SO AGAIN, THE PROCESS IS NOW FOR THIS BOARD, IT'S NOT ABOUT, I SAY THIS IS BILL SAID ELOQUENTLY, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT THIS USE OR NOT. 
          IT'S CONFORMING IT TO THE LAWS OF THE TOWN. 
          WE'RE DOING SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          ARE THEY MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SITE PLAN AND HAVE THEY MITIGATE THE IMPACTS ARE NOT SUBSTANTIAL. 
          TRAFFIC IS A BIG ISSUE. 
          WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THE DOCUMENTATION IS THERE. 
          AND THERE'S OTHER ISSUES WITH PUBLIC SERVICE. 
          WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON CHILDREN'S SAFETY, UM, SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE FACILITY. 
          BUT THIS IS NOT ABOUT 'EM. 
          WE BETTER DIFFER. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT THE USE, IT'S ABOUT THIS IS ALLOWED USE. 
          NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE. 
          SO THE PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA TABLE THIS, LET THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS, PROCEED. 
          THEY'RE GONNA WEIGH AND BALANCE THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE, MAKE THAT SECRET DECISION, AND THEN MAKE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL. 
          DECISION. 
          99 TIMES OUT OF A HUNDRED SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS APPROVAL. 
          UNLESS, UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING FOUND THAT CANNOT WORK FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT, IT TYPICALLY GETS APPROVED BECAUSE THE USE DECISION HAS ALREADY ALREADY BEEN MADE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS. 
          THE TOWN IS LISTENING ABOUT IMPROVING COMMUNICATION WITH ITS RESIDENTS. 
          UH, SOME OF YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE WHEN THEY ZOD THIS PROPERTY. 
          THEY DID SEND NOTICES OUT FOR THE REZONING. 
          THE REZONING WAS A HUGE STEP, BUT THE TOWN SAID, WE BELIEVE THIS IS A BETTER USE THAN THE OLD COMMERCIAL USE IN THIS AREA. 
          INDUSTRIAL. 
          IN FACT, WE BALANCED IT. 
          THE TOWN BOARD SAID THIS WILL BE COMMERCIAL, WILL BE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL FACING BAYVIEW. 
          AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE REMAINS THE OLD COMMERCIAL VALVE. 
          ABOUT LATER THERE WAS A, A PUBLIC MINI, A MINI, UH, STORAGE FACILITY PROPOSED AT THE OTHER CORNER FACING, FACING ONTO, UH, SOUTH AT THE CORNER OF SOUTHWESTERN AND, AND BAYVIEW THERE. 
          SO THERE'S GONNA BE A, A, UH, LARGE, UH, WHAT THEY CALL LIFE STORAGE FACILITY APPROVED THERE. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE HISTORY. 
          UM, 
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THIS BOARD HAS HAS TO GET THOSE ANSWERS AND MAKE MAKE A DECISION ON THE RECORD PROBABLY AT THE NEXT MEETING OR AT LEAST THE MEETING AFTER. 
          AND WE HAVE TO DO, UH, WE HAVE TO DO SEEKER, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? YES. 
          AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS THEY'RE BREAKING A PIECE OF PROPERTY OFF. 
          I HOPE YOU CAN SCHEDULE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE SUBDIVISION, THE NEXT MEETING. 
          AND THEY COULD MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT. 
          THE THE SUBDIVISION IS A MINOR THING. 
          THEY HAVE TO BREAK THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OFF AND THE REST OF THE, THEY ALL DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR SUBDIVISION. 
          EVEN A MINOR, A MINOR SUBDIVISION  IS PUBLIC HEARING RETIRED FOR ING? YES, BUT THEY ALREADY HAD IT. 
          THEY HAD IT ON OCTOBER 24TH AND THEY CONTINUED IT. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTS MADE AT THAT MEETING. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE AT THAT MEETING AND THE TOWN BOARD AGREED, DISAGREE, MADE THE DECISION TO REZO. 
          THEY THOUGHT IT WAS LESS OF AN IMPACT AND BETTER FOR THE AREA TO HAVE THIS THAN THE CONTINUATION OF A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PARTY. 
          AND, AND YEAH, THOSE, THOSE REZONING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE REZONING DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD, NOT THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          BY THE WAY SOMEBODY MAY REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING THAT WAS PROPOSED ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY PROPOSED AT CHISEL TOWN AND THE RESIDENTS WENT CRAZY FOR THAT. 
          AND, AND THERE WAS REASONING WHY IT DIDN'T FIT IN AT THE TIME AND THAT NEVER WENT FORWARD. 
          THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. 
          DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. 
          THE MOVIE THEATER, BIG MOVIE THEATER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          DOING A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT AT, UH, PARK GROVE REALTY FOR JUNE 21ST. 
          IS THAT GOOD? SO THE MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CINDY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR THANK AYE. 
          GONNA ASK THE PLANNING BOARD, IF YOU CAN AUTHORIZE US TO PREPARE RESOLUTIONS FOR THAT NIGHT. 
          DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO ACT ON IT. 
          I THINK THE APPLICANT'S BEEN THROUGH, HAS TRIED TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR YOU TO REVIEW AHEAD OF TIME AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE. 
          THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE A SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION. 
          FOCUS ON THE ISSUES OF, OF DIFFERENCE AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. 
          CONDITIONS ARE ALWAYS IMPORTANT, UH, TO, TO THE APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN. 
          WHAT DOES EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT THAT? I THINK AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE ANSWERS TO ALL THE QUESTIONS, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACT ON THEM. 
          BUT THEN AT LEAST GIVEN THE CONCERNS OF THE RAISE, WE WOULD'VE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IF WE WERE TO APPROVE WHAT SPECIAL CONDITIONS MIGHT BE REQUIRED OR ANY OTHER ITEMS. ALRIGHT, SO RIGHT. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO NO, NO. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTS FROM TONIGHT TO GET A RIGHT. 
          WELL WE, WE DO THE RELU RESOLUTION FOR BOTH OF 'EM. 
          I, THE SUBDIVISION IS PRETTY, PRETTY MINOR COMPARED TO THE REST OF IT. 
          TO BEGIN AN ANSWER ON IS THERE A TRAFFIC STUDY? HE SAID IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE TOWN. 
          I DIDN'T WANNA ASK HIM. 
          YEAH, LET'S HEAR ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU GET ALL THE INFORMATION, THE TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC OR NOT. 
          SO WHEN, SO WHEN WE REZONED TO NC, THE 12 ACRES, WE LOOKED AT THAT 12 ACRES STAYED COMMERCIAL AND WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          SO THE AM PEAK HOUR, TYPICALLY 8:00 AM TO NINE P TO 9:00 AM AND THE PM PEAK HOUR IS TYPICALLY FOUR 30 TO 5:30 PM SO WITH THE NC ZONING, WE LOOKED AT OUR 70 UNITS AND FOR THE REMAINING LANDS IT LOOKED AT A MEDICAL DENTAL OFFICE, WHICH IS A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC GENERATOR. 
          SO IT WAS A VERY BALANCED COMPARISON TO, AND WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS 17 LESS PEAK HOUR TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND THERE WAS 21 LESS PEAK HOUR TRIPS, UH, THAT'S ENTERING THE SITE. 
          17 LESS ENTERING IN THE MORNING, 21, LESS EXITING IN THE MORNING. 
          SO THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 40 LESS TRIPS ON THE ROAD WITH THE REZONE. 
          AND THEN IN THE PM PEAK HOUR, THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION WITH 229 LESS TRIPS ENTERING THE SITE DURING THAT PEAK HOUR AND 169 LESS TRIPS EXITING THE SITE DURING THE PEAK HOUR. 
          SO THAT'S ROUGHLY 400 LESS TRIPS ON THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE REZONE. 
          ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THAT THE NEW YORK STATE, DOT AND THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS USE A GUIDELINE TO DETERMINE WHETHER A PROJECT WARRANTS A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. 
          AND THAT APPLICABLE GUIDELINE WAS A HUNDRED TRIPS PER HOUR. 
          AND SINCE OUR UH, SITE GENERATES 51 TRIPS PER HOUR, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN A HUNDRED, WE JUSTIFIED THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WASN'T WARRANTED, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE, WE WERE REDUCING THE COMMERCIAL TRIPS WITH THE REZONED. 
          [01:35:01]
I JUST WANTED TO JUST QUESTION, YOU SAID A MEDICAL CENTER WHICH HAD THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CAR WASH, HYPOTHETICAL ZONING . 
          WE REZONE THIS WHOLE, WE REZONE THAT WHOLE PIECE AND WE'RE ONLY DEVELOPING THE AREA NEXT TO THE SCHOOL. 
          SO THIS REMAINING LAND, WE LOOKED AT THAT AS A MEDICAL DENTAL OFFICE, WHICH IS THE HIGH PRODUCT GENERATOR. 
          AND EVEN WITH THAT AS 'CAUSE IT'S NC SO THAT'S THE HIGHER TRAFFIC GENERATOR THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE NC DISTRICT. 
          SO EVEN WITH LOOKING AT THAT WITH OUR TRIPS WE WERE 400 LESS. 
          THAT'S RELATIVE TO ANYTHING ALLOWED TO THE STANDARD COMMERCIAL IF IT WERE TO REMAIN THAT CURRENTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT LAND USE WAS A, SO LEMME CLARIFY MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE TOWN BOARD. 
          I TRY TO SPEAK TO THEM BECAUSE THEY ONLY MADE A SECRET DECISION ON THE REZONING IS THAT THEIR DECISION WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS, THIS GENTLEMAN HAS SAID THAT THE REZONING GOING DOWN FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL WOULD REDUCE THE IMPACTS OF TRAFFIC. 
          YOU NOW HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PARTICULAR ACTION DOESN'T HAVE IMPACT. 
          I AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT TYPICALLY DOT ONLY REQUIRES A HUNDRED TRIPS PER HOUR. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING IS THAT WE NEED TO CHECK THAT, THAT THERE'S EXISTING PROBLEMS AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND THOSE EXISTING PROBLEMS BE SOLVED IF THEY DO EXIST BY CHANGING IN THE SIGNAL TIMING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THE DOT WAS INVOLVED ORIGINALLY IN THIS RILEY BOULEVARD BECAUSE IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO FIXING THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE IN THAT AREA. 
          BUT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE FINDINGS WAS ORIGINALLY TO KEEP DOT INVOLVED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS IT DEVELOPED THAT, SO WE WOULD REQUEST NOW THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION, THEIR CURRENT PROJECTIONS AND THAT THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE EXISTING PROBLEMS AREN'T EXASPERATED BY, UH, EXACERBATED BY THIS, THIS SITUATION AND WHETHER THEY WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          SO I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THAT. 
          THE TOWN BOARD DID NOT LOOK AT, THEY LOOKED AT THAT, THEY AGREED THE REZONING REDUCES THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, BUT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS DON'T EXIST. 
          AND, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. 
          I KNOW IT'S BEEN PROVIDED IN THE PAST, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE ALL THIS DETAIL. 
          UH, I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD HAS WHAT TREVOR HAS REITERATED, I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SEEN IN THE PAST. 
          UH, THE TOMBERG BOARD HAS CERTAINLY SEEN IT. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL INCLUDE THAT IN OUR RESPONSES. 
          UM, THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING FROM THE DT SAYING, YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND WHATEVER. 
          WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER OVER THERE IF YOU WANNA COORDINATE WITH THEM JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND WE, THERE ARE, THERE MAY BE SOME, I DON'T LIVE IN THAT AREA PROBLEMS AT EITHER END. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING THAT WORSE OR THEY CAN SOLVE IT BY SIMPLY A SINGLE TIMING. 
          SINGLE. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S, WE ARE GONNA HAVE THE RESOLUTIONS READY? YEP. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'LL DO, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S IT FOR THIS ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I, I'M, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THERE'S A GUY RAISED HIS HAND AND WHAT, UM, WE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YEAH, WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SUBDIVISION AT THE NEXT OF THE JUNE 21ST, JUNE 21ST MEETING. 
          SO FEEL FREE TO COME AND MAKE ANY COMMON SENSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, OH MY GOD, THAT'S ONLY NUMBER TWO. 
          UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON DAVID CANFIELD REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 2,400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING IN BIG TREE ROAD IN ST. 
          FRANCIS DRIVE. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE THERE WAS, WE HAD THIS PROJECT, THEN IT SWITCHED TO A DOLLAR GENERAL AND NOW IT'S BACK TO THIS PROJECT. 
          THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU'RE DRIVING TOWARDS THE CITY THAT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE AMAZON AND LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MINUTES, THAT'S THAT ONE, RIGHT? THE ONE ON THE CORNER THERE. 
          LET'S STICK A DUMP. 
          YES. 
          THERE'S THERE I, BECAUSE IT KIND OF WAS AND IT'S CURRENT COMMENT ON FACEBOOK. 
          CAN YOU MOVE YOUR EASEL OVER? OH YEAH. 
          , THAT'S, THANK, THANK YOU TO WHOEVER PUT IN THAT COMMENT. 
          IT WAS MARCY. 
          NOW YOU GUYS CAN'T SEE. 
          NO, WE, UM, AND, AND REMEMBER WE, WE CAN DO IT DIGITALLY AND PUT IT ON THAT SCREEN. 
          YOU CAN BRING A USB DRIVE. 
          JOSH WILL HELP YOU OUT. 
          WE'LL DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. 
          I DIDN'T REALIZE WE GET THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I REMINDED YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE LOGGING THIS ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO CAN WE ASK EVERYBODY TO HOLD OFF? WE GOT A VERY SENSITIVE MICROPHONE AND WE'VE STILL GOT A LOT OF BUSINESS TO GO THROUGH. 
          IF YOU NEED TO JET, YOU CAN GO OUT IN THE HALL, SHUT THE DOOR AND, AND WE'LL WAIT UNTIL LATER. 
          [01:40:01]
TALK LOUD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ROB NIK FROM SBA AND CLARK. 
          OUR OFFICE IS LOCATED AT 3 5 5 6 LAKE SHORE ROAD IN HAMBURG. 
          UM, WE PRESENTED THIS TO PROPOSAL TO YOU ON APRIL 19TH. 
          IT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS A SITE PLAN. 
          WE JUST MENTIONED THE DOLLAR GENERAL, UM, THAT FELL THROUGH. 
          AND SO THE PROJECT SPONSOR IS PROPOSING TO BRING BACK THE SAME, UH, PROPOSAL AS HE HAD APPROVED IN 2019. 
          DREW INDICATED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO EXTEND THAT APPROVAL. 
          WE WERE HOPING THAT ALL THE SAME INFORMATION WOULD APPLY. 
          WE DO KNOW WE HAVE A SECRET APPROVAL THAT'S STILL VALID. 
          AND, UM, WHAT MR. CANFIELD IS PROPOSING, HE HAS A LANDSCAPING AND STILL PLOWING BUSINESS AND HE IS PROPOSING TO STORE HIS EQUIPMENT IN THAT SITE. 
          UM, YES, THERE'S A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN REVIEWED EXTENSIVELY AND APPROVED. 
          HE HAS LIGHTING PROPOSED ON THIS SITE. 
          THERE ARE SOME FEDERAL WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          MR. CANFIELD HAD EARTH DIMENSIONS GO OUT AT THE END OF MARCH AND RE-LOOK AT THIS SITE. 
          UH, WHERE HE'S PROPOSING HIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT IMPACT ANY WETLANDS. 
          AND AS MR. HOPKINS HAD INDICATED EARLIER, EVEN A, UH, APPROVAL REQUIRED BY THE ARMY CORPS THAT'S A 10TH OF AN ACRE COULD TAKE AS LONG AS TWO YEARS TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          SO WE HAVE NO PROPOSED IMPACTS TO THE WETLANDS. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, LIGHTING, UH, DARK SKY COMPLIANT FOR ANY LIGHTING THAT HE HAS ON THE SITE. 
          AND I THINK PRIMARILY IT'S GONNA BE JUST ON THE BUILDING. 
          UM, HE HAS NO NEED FOR ANY BATHROOMS IN THIS, UH, FACILITY. 
          SO NO PLUMBING OR EQUIP BATHROOMS ARE PROPOSED AND AS I HAD INDICATED BEFORE, UM, THE, THE LIGHTING OR THE PROPOSAL HAD HAD BEEN APPROVED. 
          SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALRIGHT, NOTICE PLEASE. 
          WHERE EXACTLY BIG TREE AND ST. 
          FRANCIS GREEN SAFE. 
          SO ACROSS DOLLAR GENERAL WAS GONNA BE RIGHT, BUT THE CROSS BIG TREE FROM THE FOOTBALL FIELD. 
          UHHUH , RIGHT, EXACTLY. 
          SO THERE'S LIKE TWO BIG TREES. 
          IS IT LIKE TRAFFIC CIRCLE? IT'S ON THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE. 
          OH, A PICTURE ON THE BACK SIDE. 
          THIS IS OUR BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          GOOGLE MAPS WAS NOT MATCHING A BIG TREE IN SAINT PRINCESS. 
          I WAS LIKE, YEAH, IT'S LIKE BIG TREE TRAFFIC CIRCLE ROAD IS LIKE, ITS ALTERNATE. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU NEED TO SEE THIS UP CLOSE? NO, YOU DON'T SEE IT. 
          NOTHING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY DAVID CANFIELD TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 2,400 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE BUILDING AT BIGTREE ROAD IN ST. 
          FRANCIS DRIVE. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON MAY 17TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN TOWN HALL. 
          ALL RIGHT, AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR DAVID CANFIELD. 
          ANYBODY THAT WAS HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          I'LL, I'LL GO NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. 
          SAME BRAUN 3 7 8 4 HOOVER ROAD. 
          I CAN, I LOOK AT THE MAP, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE RULES OF ALL THIS PLANNING BOARD STUFF AND I KIND OF DIG AND GO AT COMING HERE. 
          SO WHERE DO WE FIND OUT, LIKE HOW WE FIND OUT THE RULES OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE SAYING AND NOT BE SAYING WHERE WE SHOULD BE TAKING OUR CONCERNS? I, I REALLY DO WANNA KNOW THAT IS, OH, YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT, BUT CAN I SEE WHERE THAT'S GOING? LIKE, LET'S SEE. 
          ARE WE ALLOWED TO RESPOND? OH YEAH. 
          CAN SHE, CAN? YOU'RE JUST GETTING COME YOU RESPOND WITH THE NEXT MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, NO, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO. 
          OKAY. 
          SEE IF HE'S AVAILABLE AFTER THE MEETING TO MEET WITH YOU. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD BE HERE. 
          AND I HOPE THAT YOU GET YOUR BUILDING . 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT THIS AREA IS FOR. 
          LIKE COMMERCIAL. 
          NO REZONING. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? CHECKING THE WEBSITE. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, I HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS COME IN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH HMM. 
          THIS IS NOT NEAR JEFFREY BOULEVARD. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S UNRELATED COMMENTS. 
          UH, 
          [01:45:02]
UH, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT APPEARS TO BE RELEVANT IS FROM BENJAMIN KALITA. 
          K-A-L-I-E-T-A. 
          IS THIS NEXT TO THE BATTERY CODE? YES. 
          YES. 
          HOW LONG? LYNN SAID IT IS . 
          HE'S WATCHING ON FACEBOOK. 
          HE KNOWS NOW. 
          YES. 
          WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT, UH, 16 VIEWERS. 
          WE ARE A HOT COMMODITY ON FACEBOOK. 
          WATCH. 
          I'M GLAD I GOT UP FROM IN FRONT OF KIM . 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THE SECOND TIME. 
          ANY MORE COMMENTS ON THE DAVID CANFIELD PROJECT FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY MORE COMMENTS THIS TIME? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE. 
          UM, SO THIS PROJECT BEING IN OUR WATERFRONT ZONE NEEDS COASTAL CONSISTENCY. 
          THE LWRP GROUP IS GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT FOR COASTAL CONSISTENCY. 
          FORGIVE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT OUR LAST MEETING AND, UH, I'VE BEEN INFORMED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT OUR MEETING HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 8TH AND WE WILL APPEAR JUNE 8TH. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          WE'RE HOPING CHANGES. 
          THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED IN 2019. 
          THE HAD ICAL ONE, IT PROBABLY SHOULD COME BACK WITH THE SAME, THE SAME RECOMMENDATION. 
          TRUE. 
          IF YOU REMEMBER, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE, THERE WAS NO COMMITTEE THAT WAS MEETING TO DO COASTAL CONSISTENCY, SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A WATERFRONT COMMITTEE. 
          THE WATERFRONT FINALIZATION COMMITTEE ACTED AS THAT COMMITTEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T HAVE MEETINGS FOR A FEW YEARS. 
          SO, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT IT ON THIS ONE. 
          THAT PLA THAT TIME YOU DID A COASTAL. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DAVID CANFIELD TO JUNE 21ST. 
          SECOND. 
          THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL. 
          SECOND BY DAN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AND I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PREPARE RESOLUTION FOR THAT? YES, PLEASE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THAT FILL UP JUNE 21ST. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THANK YOU HAMBURG RETAIL, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A NINE UNIT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AT 4 1 1 0 ST. 
          FRANCIS'S DRIVE. 
          AND JUST SO SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THESE MEETINGS WORK, UH, THOSE WERE THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          EVERYTHING FROM THIS POINT ON IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WON'T BE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          THANKS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DON'T STAND DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE, I ALREADY, I DON'T WANT 14 PEOPLE. 
          SEE. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          ONCE AGAIN. 
          SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. 
          AS YOU RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO YOU PREVIOUSLY OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL MEETINGS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A USE VARIANCE APPLICATION THAT'S PENDING BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. 
          ULTIMATELY, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAS NOT LEGALLY BEEN IN A POSITION ISSUE A DECISION ON THAT BECAUSE IT CANNOT DO SO UNTIL YOU ISSUED, ISSUED A DETERMINATION PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL FRAUD REVIEW ACT, WE DID PRESENT THE PROJECT TO THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE DURING ITS MOST RECENT MEETING. 
          AND SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. NIK SAID IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, WE'RE HOPING IT'LL BE BE PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR IT MEETING IN JUNE 9TH. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAD A MEETING IN MAY. 
          NO, IT'S, UH, SO THIS ONE'S GONNA GO IN FRONT OF THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE. 
          MAY 23RD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, SOMEONE TOLD THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION FOR A LITTLE WHILE AS FAR AS THAT. 
          BUT THIS ONE, UH, JOSH, IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO THEM, MAKE SURE THEY'VE GOT IT TO DO THE COASTAL CONSISTENCY ON MAY 23RD. 
          MAY 23RD. 
          MAY 23RD FOR THIS ONE. 
          JUNE, THERE'S ONE ON MAY 23RD. 
          I I WHATEVER DAY, UH, BILL SAYS. 
          SO I THINK IN LIGHT OF THAT, WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE WERE HERE, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SIX WEEKS AGO, YOU DID DIRECT, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR PLANNING CONSULTANT PREPARE A DRAFT OF PART TWO OF THE AF. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE IN A POSITION THIS EVENING TO WALK THROUGH THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, BUT OBVIOUSLY UNTIL WE'VE RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, MOST LIKELY I GUESS WOULD BE A LITTLE PREMATURE ISSUE, A SECRET DETERMINATION. 
          OF COURSE, GIVEN THE SCOPE AND MAGNITUDE OF THIS PROJECT, WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. 
          IF THAT ULTIMATELY OCCURS, WE HAVE TO GO BACK IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD APPEALS AND THEN WE COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN, IN THE FUTURE IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND MITRE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. 
          'CAUSE AS YOU RECALL, WE'RE GONNA SPLIT THIS PARCEL INTO TWO, THE TOWN HOME PARCEL AND THE VACANT, UM, GAS STATION, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO STILL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FUTURE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARCEL MIGHT BE. 
          I THINK ALSO WE WERE WAITING FOR THE DECISION FROM THE STATE ABOUT THE CURRY. 
          WE ARE AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT. 
          AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT YET? NO. 
          SO CAN YOU CLARIFY? I'VE ASKED ABOUT NINE TIMES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN YOU CLARIFY, BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A DISCUSSION IF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY DOES NOT EMPTY IT OUT ON ROUTE FIVE. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT EMPTIES OUT 
          [01:50:01]
ON ANOTHER STREET, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ROOF FIVE. 
          NO, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS ROOF FIVE. 
          OKAY, SO IT'S FRANCIS DRIVE AND ANOTHER IN THE, YEAH. 
          WHAT IS THE OTHER STREET? I DON'T HAVE THE PLAN. 
          I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OTHER STREET WAS. 
          I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE STREET EITHER. 
          AND I'VE DRIVEN DOWN A S THE OTHER STREET, CROSS STREET 40, 4100 ST. 
          FRANCIS DRIVE, LAKE TREE ROAD. 
          THE IS IT HERE? IT'S BEHIND. 
          IT'S LIKE THE WHAT WOULD'VE SENT THE RIO YARD? YEAH. 
          OH YEAH. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          HERE. 
          THIS IS THE ROAD YOU'RE TALKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE DESCRIPTION ON THE CURB SIDE. 
          OH, LAKE SHORE. 
          THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH, IT DOES. 
          THIS SAYS LAKE SHORE AND ST. 
          FRANCIS AND THIS IS PULLED RIGHT UP. 
          THE ERIE COUNTY PIS, THAT'S PART OF MY PREVIOUS  ROUTE FIVE. 
          LAKE SHORE, NOT ROUTE FIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT NOT RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT NOT ROUTE FIVE. 
          UM, SO I THINK OUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS WERE THAT IT WAS GONNA ENTER OR THE CURB CUT WAS GONNA TAKE PLACE AT FIVE. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT DOESN'T RAISE THE SAME LEVEL OF TRAFFIC CONCERNS, OBVIOUSLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DO ALSO WANNA KNOW, AGAIN, IT WOULD REQUIRE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE REVIEW. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ACTIVELY ATTEMPTING TO MARKET THE FORMER GAS STATION PARCEL AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY BENEFITS OF THIS IS THAT PROPERTY DOES HAVE SOME CONTAMINATION AND THE PROPERTY WILL BE CLEANED UP PURSUANT TO THE NEW YORK STATE DEC BROWNFIELD PROGRAM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO WE DEFINITELY CAN'T MAKE A SECRET DECISION UNTIL WE GET COASTAL CONSISTENCY 'CAUSE SO DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THE FEDERAL COASTAL ASSESSMENT FORM? ONE OF THE THINGS I'D ASKED FOR A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO WAS A COPY OF THE, NO, WE DID A DRAFT OF THAT AND WE PRESENTED IT TO THE, UM, LINER REVITALIZATION. 
          SO WE DON'T COPY THAT. 
          BECAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SEEKER AND TALK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, CORRESPONDING PLANS AND HOW WE'RE GETTING THE CONSISTENCY OF THAT, A LOT OF THAT WOULD GO WITH THE LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE DID THE, WE DID THE TOWN FORM AND THE FORM THAT YOU ASKED US TO WAIT FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL NEED TO WAIT. 
          I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD WANNA, THERE'S A, AS YOU'RE AWARE AS YOU WENT THROUGH THEM ALL, THERE'S A LOT OF ENFORCEABLE POLICIES AT BOTH THE STATE AND AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL THAT WE WOULD JUST NEED TO ENSURE. 
          SO I DON'T, I WANT COPIES OF, I WOULD LOVE COPIES. 
          I WOULD LIKE THOSE. 
          WE'LL, ONCE IT, ONCE WE RECEIVE THE RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL YEAH, GO EVERYTHING COURSE SOME OF THE INFORMATION WOULD HELP WITH THIS. 
          OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          DID A SHORT FOR ME TO ANSWER. 
          YEAH, WE DID A SHORT FORM. 
          I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDS, IT'S A LONG FORM. 
          SO THE REASON I WOULD COUNTER, I GUESS YOUR SHORT FORM IS LONG FORM IS BECAUSE IT'S A BROWNFIELD SITE AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HIT SOME OF THE COMMENTS ON THE CONTAMINATION AND IT'S, I MEAN I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A BENEFIT TO HAVING, I MEAN ULTIMATELY IF WE REALLY WANNA SEE A LONG FORM, WE CAN DO IT. 
          I MEAN I THINK OUR RESPONSE SHOULD USE MORE OF A LONG FORM EVALUATION THAN JUST THE SHORT FORM BECAUSE THERE'S A BROWNFIELD BEING REDEVELOPED WITH THE CONTAMINATION ISSUES. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES AND DIFFERENT CURB PATHS AND WE GOT, IT'S IN THE, I MEAN I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE AN OPINION, BUT I WOULD FOR THE LONGER TECHNICALLY NEED JUST ASK HIM FOR THE INFORMATION. 
          THE INFORMATION, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ALL THE RIGHT. 
          REMEMBER THE BROWN IN TERMS OF THE PART ONE OF THE FO AF, IT DOESN'T SAY MUCH IN TERMS OF BROWNFIELD, IT JUST KICK THE DATABASE. 
          WELL WE, WELL WE DID ASK FOR THAT ALL THE BACK. 
          SO WE'VE GOTTEN THAT. 
          WE NEED THAT. 
          THE OTHER THING WE DID TALK ABOUT AT ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS WAS THE PREPARATION OF A LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          I TALKED TO CHRIS WITH THAT. 
          HE'S WORKING ON LANDSCAPE AS WELL. 
          SO WE, WE DO HAVE A DRAFT PART TWO. 
          UM, EARLIER IN THE MEETING, SOMEBODY ASKED WHAT TYPES OF THINGS IS THE PLANNING BOARD ALLOWED TO CONSIDER? AND PART TWO OF, UH, EAF IS A GOOD OUTLINE AS TO THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE DO CONSIDER, WHY DON'T WE WALK THROUGH THE STUFF WE CAN GO THROUGH WITHOUT THE COASTAL CONSISTENCY, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE OVERALL CATEGORIES. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO SKIP THE BROOK. 
          WE DON'T HAVE IT FOR THIS ONE. 
          OH NO, WHICH ONES BROOK? THE PART TWO AND YOUR RIGHT. 
          OH, SO THAT'S, THIS IS, THAT'S THIS ONE. 
          NOT THAT. 
          YES. 
          NO, THAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE A PART TWO FOR THIS. 
          SO WE ALL WE'LL SKIP IT. 
          THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DO, WE DON'T GET IT PART TWO IT, SORRY, IT SAYS SHORT FOR ME SO I FIGURED YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE QUESTIONS. 
          ALRIGHT, I'M SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          I THOUGHT I WAS TRYING TO BE, SO THE ISSUE, I FULLY LOVE THIS. 
          YOU SHOULD KEEP DOING IT, BUT IT IS THE PART TWO WE HAVE, RIGHT? SO I'M NOT, YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE WRONG PART TWO , I'M SORRY. 
          THE ISSUES ARE TRAFFIC CONNECTIONS TO THE HIGHWAYS ISSUES ARE, THE BROWNFIELD STATUS ISSUES ARE COMMUNITY CHARACTER OUTFITS IN THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER BECAUSE THIS 
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DOESN'T REQUIRE REZONING. 
          IT'S GETTING A USE VARIANCE. 
          THEY'RE BASICALLY ON THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. 
          THEY GET A USE VARIANCE. 
          THIS IS NOT AN ALLOWED USE. 
          THEY'RE GETTING A USE VARIANCE FROM THE ZBA. 
          THE ZBA CANNOT MAKE THAT DECISION LIKE BILL SAID, UNTIL WE MAKE A SECRET. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THERE OTHER INFORMATION, TRAFFIC, LANDSCAPING, COMMUNITY CHARACTER, HOW IT'S GONNA FIT INTO THAT AREA. 
          UM, OTHER ISSUES, UH, THERE'S NO WETLANDS ON THE SITE. 
          WE'RE IN A COASTAL COASTAL AREA. 
          SO WE HAVE TO DO COASTAL CONSISTENCY REVIEW HOW IT FITS IN, INTO THE COASTAL AREA. 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FRONT PART OF THE SITE IS ACTUALLY IN THE ROOF FIVE OVERLAY. 
          EVEN THIS IS NOT ROUTE FIVE. 
          IT EXTENDS BACK. 
          YOU KNOW, SO THOSE ARE ISSUES OF AESTHETICS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WATERFRONT CHARACTER OR WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN IT DOESN'T NEED THAT. 
          BUT, UH, ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES YOU CAN THINK OF WITH THIS TO MAKE SURE YOU GOT THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION? I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE NOW, BUT IF YOU WERE IN THE PUBLIC, YOU SHOULD GOOGLE NEW YORK STATE DEC WHITE RENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AND THERE'S A WHOLE STEPPING THROUGH THE SEEKER PROCESS THAT MIGHT WALK YOU THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. 
          AND DON'T, HYPOTHETICALLY DON'T DO IT IN YOUR TARGET OR FALSELY. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I THINK THAT IT'S HYPOTHETICALLY IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO KNOW HOW WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          THAT'D BE A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WETLANDS ON THE SITE, THERE'S UH, TAMMY WILL COMMENT ON STORM WATER ISSUES IF THERE'S GONNA BE STORM WATER ISSUES. 
          UM, IS IT NOT AN AIR QUALITY ISSUE? IT IS RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          THERE'S NO AIR QUALITY HERMITS INVOLVED. 
          I'M GOING THROUGH THE LIST. 
          FIND THAT. 
          HAVE WE, DID YOU CONFIRM WITH SHIPPO THAT IT IS NOT WITHIN ANY HISTORIC YEAH, THIS, THIS SITE IS NOT IN AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SENSOR AREA. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE EAF MAPPER QUESTIONS. 
          AND WITH THE UP LISTING OF THE FEW SPECIES IN CANADA SPECIES, DID YOU PULL ANY OF THE OTHER MAPPING? HE'S NOT DONE. 
          I DUNNO IF THEY'LL OR NOT. 
          BUT BATS CAME UP HEAVILY AT A PUBLIC HEARING IN OUR LAST MEETING REGARDING ONE OF THE, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS. 
          SORRY I WASN'T HERE. 
          THAT IT REALLY DEALS WITH TREES ON THE SITE. 
          THERE'S REALLY NO TREES. 
          YEAH, I DON'T THINK ON THIS SITE. 
          THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THAT GOES TO THAT THEM, BUT YOU MIGHT GET ON OUR BUTTERFLIES SOON. 
          FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          IT'S NOT A WETLAND. 
          WHICH PATH? THE GROUND BAT. 
          THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING WITH THE NORTHERN CAN. 
          IT'S NORTHERN, IT'S NOW LISTED, IT'S NOW FEDERAL, NORTHERN LONGER BAT WAS UP LISTED. 
          IT WAS UP LISTED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WELL, THE OTHER SPECIES ARE STILL CANDIDATE. 
          IT CONFUSING BECAUSE THE RULE BECAME FINAL IN 2023, BUT IT CAME OUT A LONG TIME AGO. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE NORTHERN LONGYEAR BAT BEING ENDANGERED FOR A WHILE, BUT IT NOT FOR 10 YEARS LISTING IN MARCH. 
          SO WE KNOW WHAT MORE INFORMATION WE WANT. 
          ANY MORE INFORMATION WE NEED FROM THE APPLICANT? NO, I DON'T THINK I NEED, NO, I THINK WE'LL GET WITH, WE'RE GONNA WANT, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE PART ONE OF THE FULL HALF. 
          SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS ANY DOCUMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT THINK WOULD ASSIST US IN MAKING PART THREE TO GO ALONG WITH ANYTHING PART. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU CAN TAKE A HARD LOOK. 
          SO ALL OF OUR JUNE MEETINGS ARE FULL. 
          I'M GONNA CANCEL OUR MEETING ON JULY 5TH BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING TWO OTHER MEETINGS THIS SUMMER. 
          SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO, I'M MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE HAMBURG RETAIL LLC TO JULY 19TH. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION BY BILL. 
          SECOND BY CINDY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE CANCEL JUNE JULY MEETINGS. 
          YES. 
          OH, THAT WAS A BOLD MOVE. 
          YEAH. 
          ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING ALL THE STUFF WE GOT ON OUR AGENDA. 
          I MEAN, I, I'M JUST, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S LIKE 4TH OF JULY WE PUT YEAH. 
          SEAN, DO YOU HAVE WORKHORSE OVER? THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH WATER THERE. 
          YOU HAVE PLENTY CAPACITY. 
          I DIDN'T EVEN CHECK TO SEE IF WE HAD A QUORUM OR NOT. 
          I JUST, BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE ADDING TWO MORE MEETINGS. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS, WE ADDED TWO MORE MEETINGS. 
          WE WILL IN A FEW MINUTES. 
          OH, . 
          BEFORE THOSE MEETINGS OR AFTER? UH, ONE'S BEFORE AND WELL, ACTUALLY BOTH OF, YEAH, BOTH OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE BEFORE THAT ONE. 
          THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN BE PUT ON AGENDA BEFORE. 
          YOU ARE NOT GONNA WANNA BE ON THAT MEETING. 
          NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANNA BE ON OH, TRUST UNLESS, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'RE, YEAH. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME, BUT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA, YOU DON'T WANNA BE ON, WE'LL ACCEPT THERE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'LL, YEAH, YOU GET TO, OH, THERE. 
          YOU GOOD? I CAN, WHAT I'M GONNA NEED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD. 
          WAIT TO CABLE TO JULY, 1919 OF THIS YEAR. 
          YES. 
          , WE TAKE ANY LONGER TO THAT. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TIME WE WOULD NEXT? SEE JULY 21ST YEAR PLANNING BOARD MEETING, PUT YOU ON THAT 1 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT 
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A SEVEN UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT AT 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          ONCE AGAIN, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. 
          THIS PROJECT IS IN A SIMILAR SITUATION TO THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, SUBJECT TO ONE IMPORTANT CAVEAT. 
          SO BASED ON IMPORT RECEIVED FROM THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PROJECT TEAM AND INPUT FROM THIS BOARD, THIS PROJECT, WE ARE DELIBERATELY RIGHT NOW TAKING A STEP BACKWARD. 
          AND WHAT I MEAN BY TAKING A STEP BACKWARD IS WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE PARKING LOT PARCEL ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL. 
          SO I THINK EVERYONE WOULD AGREE. 
          SOMETHING SHOULD BE PROPOSED THERE. 
          IT SHOULD BE REDEVELOPED AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AT A FUTURE MEETING WITH AN OVERALL PLAN. 
          ALRIGHT? SO WHAT WE WOULD ASK ON THIS ONE IS NOT PUT IT ON THE SHORELINE IZATION COMMITTEE FOR MAY, BECAUSE LET'S GET THE OVERALL PLAN. 
          OKAY? BUT IF WE COULD TABLE TILL THAT SAME MEETING, THE GIVES, GIVE US PLENTY OF TIME TO FORMULATE THAT PLAN. 
          AND WE THINK WE COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT'LL TELL, UM, A VERY, A BROADER STORY AND IT'LL BE VIEWED FAVORABLY IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THAT OVERALL AREA. 
          SO I, AND I JUST WANT, SO YOU WANT IT TO BE TABLED TO THE SAME MEETING AS THE LAST ONE? YES. 
          WHICH WE CAN DO. 
          RIGHT? UM, SO ONE THING I'VE BEEN KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH, SO WE, WE'VE GOT THE HISTORICAL ISSUE WITH THE BAYVIEW, WE DO, AND WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE A HEARING'S BEEN HELD ON ME, RIGHT? THE THE PROPOSAL IS DON'T TOUCH THE BAYVIEW. 
          RIGHT? ON THE SURFACE, THAT'S A MITIGATION, BUT IF YOU GET A USE VARIANCE RIGHT, THEN THERE HAS TO BE A DETERMINATION THAT THERE'S NO OTHER, OR THAT THAT CURRENT ZONING, THERE'S NO VIABLE FINANCIAL, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT WORD, BUT YOU CAN'T INABILITY TO REALIZE A REASONABLE RATE OF RETURN THERE. 
          YOU STRICT APPLICATION OF THE ZONING. 
          SO IF IT'S, IF, IF THE ZONING BOARD MADE THAT DETERMINATION, THEN WE GOT AN ISSUE LONG TERM WITH THE BAYVIEW THAT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT 'CAUSE WE, BECAUSE THERE'D BE A DETERMINATION THAT THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF IT. 
          WELL KEEP MIND. 
          THEY CAN'T CURRENTLY, I MEAN THEY, THEY'RE ACTIVELY STILL AS WE SPEAK, MAKING AN EFFORT TO LEASE THAT FOR A RESTAURANT. 
          THOSE EFFORTS HAVE NOT BEEN TO DATE SUCCESSFUL. 
          NOW WHERE THAT COULD BECOME A COMPLICATION, MR. CLARK, IS IF THEY LEASED IT PRIOR TO THE USE VARIANCE. 
          BUT GIVEN THAT THAT'S A, EVEN AFTER THE USE VARIANCE, IF WE, IF THE TOWN, AND IT'S NOT OUR DECISION, SO MAYBE THINKING TOO MUCH ABOUT IT BECAUSE ZONING BOARDS DECISION, BUT IF THEY DECIDE THAT THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL, THERE'S NO VIABLE USE FOR THAT. 
          RIGHT? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE IT GETS PRESERVED? WELL, REMEMBER, IT'S NOT SAYING THERE'S NO VIABLE USE. 
          IT'S SAYING THERE'S AN INABILITY CURRENTLY TO REALIZE THE REASONABLE RATE RETURN, NOT QUITE THE EXACT SAME THING. 
          OKAY. 
          A LITTLE BIT OF NUANCED DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT REMEMBER THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE EXISTING VACANT HOTEL BUILDING CAN'T BE REDEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE OR REOCCUPIED. 
          I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO REDEVELOP THAT WOULD STILL MAINTAIN ITS HISTORIC STATUS. 
          IT'S ALSO GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO SO. 
          BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY THOSE ARE INCONSISTENT AND ULTIMATELY THE CB HAS TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          AND IF IT'S DESIGNATED, THEN YOU CAN GET CERTAIN TAX BREAKS FOR RE DEPENDING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND HOW YOU'RE DOING IT. 
          IT'S JUST, I MEAN, AND IT IS NOT STILL, IT'S KIND OF IN SEEKER BECAUSE I'M LIKE THE, THE PLAN ITSELF, I NOT TOUCHING IT. 
          I FEEL LIKE THAT HITS THE, THE MARK. 
          BUT THEN WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE PLAN, IT'S STILL HAS ME WORRIED LONG TERM. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          KEEP MIND RIGHT NOW DURING THE STAY PERIOD BEFORE THIS TOWN BOARD HOLDING A HEARING AND THE APPLICATION BEING FILED BY YOUR TOWN'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, THERE'S A STAY, YOU CAN'T, NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO THAT BUILDING. 
          IT'S NOT SO IT IS PROTECTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK THE OTHER THINGS YOU JUST KEEP IN MIND IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT WITH HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE IS NOT ONLY THE STRUCTURE AND IMPACTS TO THE STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S THE VIEWS AND THE, AND THE CONTEXT, HISTORICAL CONTEXT. 
          SO THAT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS YOU LOOK AT IT, TRYING TO FIT INTO THE CHARACTER OF THAT BUILDING. 
          AND NOT THAT THE PARKING LOT IS A GREAT HISTORIC CONTEXT, BUT RIGHT. 
          THE WATERFRONT AND SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF. 
          BUT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WITH THAT LENS WHEN YOU MAKE A MORE HOLISTIC PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I THINK A MORE HOLISTIC PLAN WILL BE VIEWED FAVORABLE. 
          AND LET'S GET RID OF, LET'S GET RID OF THAT MARKET THAT'S UN SITE. 
          AND TYPICALLY WITH THE STORE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU DON'T WANT BATCH THE STORE'S ARCHITECTURE, YOU WANT TO COMPLIMENT IF YOU'RE NOT LIKE YOU MATCHING IT, AND THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE PROPERTY, THE FIRST PROPERTY, THE TOWN DESIGNATES HISTORIC UNDER THEIR NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. 
          SO I THINK WE, WE KINDA HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON HOW THAT WORKS STILL. 
          UM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE WORRIES IS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE GRAIN ELEVATOR WHERE IT WAS HISTORIC. 
          SO THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING, SO THE OWNERS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING AND THEN IT FELL DOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          ACTIVE NEGLECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PREVENT THAT. 
          AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN OUR ROLE, BUT IF THERE IS A PLAN , WELL THE GOOD THING IS THIS HAS THAT MEMBER THAT UNLIKE THE GRAIN OPERATORS, THIS BUILDING STILL HAS A FUNCTIONAL USE, HAS BEEN USED PURSUANT THAT AL USE NOT TOO LONG AGO IN THE PAST. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL COME AGAIN AND AGAIN IF WE CAN CREATE A BETTER CONTEXT ON THIS SITE 
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AS WELL AS A PARCEL ACROSS THE STREET, WE'RE ONLY MAKING A MORE VIABLE REUSE OF THAT BUILDING. 
          WE REALLY ARE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD TO JULY 19TH. 
          SECOND. 
          THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          A AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED THE MAPPER ROSE FRESHWATER MUSSELS, STURGEON, RARE PLANTS, AND RARE FISH. 
          ALL NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ATO DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL OF THE 96 UNIT TOWNHOME SUBDIVISION ON VACANT LAND WEST OF BRIARCLIFF DRIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SOMEONE GOT MY EASEL. 
          WELL, I WON'T SAY I MOVED, I WENT OVER THERE, BUT THAT'S THAT ONE THAT I MOVED OVER THERE USING THE ONE THAT WAS LOUD. 
          RIGHT? YOU CAN START BRINGING THE USB STICK TO USE THAT COMPUTER. 
          WE'RE NOW SET OUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO USE THE SCREEN GOING FORWARD, YOU WOULD ACCEPT EMAILS I WOULD START, JOSH MIGHT BE ABLE TO PULL IT UP. 
          BRING MY COMPUTER. 
          NO, YOU BRING USB. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IN POWERPOINT IS THAT YOU WANT? OKAY, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          I LIKED IT, JOSH. 
          20 CENTURY. 
          OKAY, I, I GLAD WE GET THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN. 
          SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT DATA DEVELOPMENT. 
          ALSO WITH ME IS DAVE BURKE FROM DATA DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS ANTHONY PFE, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARMINA WOOD DESIGN. 
          THIS PROJECT, AS YOU'LL RECALL, HAS BEEN REVIEWED THE COURT OVER THE COURSE OF NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS MEETINGS OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          DURING YOUR MOST RECENT MEETING THAT WE PRESENTED THIS ON APRIL 5TH, WE PRESENTED A NEW PLAN THAT WE BELIEVE MADE SOME VERY, VERY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE LAYOUT THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN PROPOSED. 
          THE LAYOUT THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AND LOOKED AT OVER THE COURSE OF MANY MONTHS CONSISTED OF 96 TOWN HOME UNITS. 
          ALL TWO STORY KEEPING IN MIND. 
          ONE IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. 
          THESE UNITS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED SO THEY WILL ALL BE FOR SALE RATHER THAN FOUR WEEKS. 
          THAT'S BEEN DONE BASED ON THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE AND KNOWING THAT IN 2010 THERE WAS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT PROPOSED THAT WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED BY THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'M GONNA WALK YOU REAL QUICK THROUGH WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE. 
          AGAIN, ONLY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SIX WEEKS. 
          SO PREVIOUSLY WE WERE AT 96 UNITS YOU RECALL EXTENDED ALL THE WAY ACROSS UNITS. 
          WERE GETTING CLOSER TO THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          WE'VE NOW REDUCED THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 57 UNITS. 
          SO WE REDUCED THE PROJECT DENSITY ON THIS 9.37 ACRE SITE BY APPROXIMATELY 40%. 
          WE'VE ALSO, OH, YOU'RE, BLESS YOU. 
          WE'VE ALSO, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE UNDER THAT OLD LAYOUT. 
          WHAT WE SHOWED WAS 1.15 ACRES. 
          SO 1.15 OUT OF THE 9.37 ACRES. 
          THE CURRENT PLAN DATED MAY 10TH NOW INCREASES THAT TO FIVE ACRES. 
          SO MORE THAN HALF OF THE SITE WILL NOW BE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE. 
          WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO PUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON THAT PERMANENT OPEN SPACE TO ENSURE IT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED. 
          OR IF THE RELEVANT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR THE TOWN WANTED TO ACCEPT OWNERSHIP OF THAT, WHICH I DOUBT THEY DO, WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT AS WELL. 
          SO THAT AREA WILL REMAIN PERMANENTLY UNDEVELOPED. 
          THAT ALSO INCLUDES TWO QUESTION IN THE, IN SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE GOT SINCE THE LAST TIME, THERE'S 27.8 AC 0.08 ACRES REQUIRED IS THE, THESE FIVE ACRES, BUT THEY COUNT TOWARDS THAT 27.8. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, SO OUR POSITION IS, WE'LL GET INTO IT IN A SECOND, CHAIRMAN CLARK. 
          OKAY. 
          PURSUANT TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, AND WE HAVE THAT NUS BOMBER AND CLARK FUND, WHICH WILL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND. 
          THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE QUARRY PORTION OF THE OVERALL PUD IS 27.08 ACRES. 
          AND THAT'S AGAIN, THAT HISTORICAL DOCUMENT THAT'S NOW EXISTED FOR ALMOST THREE DECADES. 
          SO LET US, WE'LL GET THERE IN A MINUTE. 
          I JUST WANNA GO OVER AGAIN WHAT THE CHANGES WERE. 
          UH, WE ELIMINATED THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY, IF YOU WANNA POINT TO WHERE THAT IS, ANTHONY. 
          AND NOW I'VE JUST INFILLED THAT WITH ONE TWO FAMILY HOME, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S THERE, THE NUMBER OF VISITOR PARKING SPACES. 
          IT WAS REDUCED FROM 48 TO 45, WHICH IS STILL PLENTY. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY NETWORK. 
          ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES THAT CAME UP WAS THIS WHOLE RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING SANITARY SEWER LINE AND SANITARY SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE ON SITE. 
          [02:10:01]
NOT A BIG DEAL. 
          WE RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM THE ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT TO DO THAT. 
          BUT BASED ON IT BEING A CONCERN AND MR. BURKE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT THE WAY IT'S, SO WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          THOSE EXISTING EASEMENTS WILL STAY IN PLACE DESPITE THE FACT WE ALREADY HAD ABILITY TO RELOCATE THOSE. 
          THE REAR YARD, AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE, THE REAR YARD OF THE SETBACK OF THE TOWNHOME UNITS FOR SALE ALONG BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY, VERY DRAMATICALLY AS I RECALL, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAD 40 ADDITIONAL UNITS WE'RE KIND OF FOLLOWING THAT CURVE OF BRIARCLIFF. 
          WHEREAS NOW WE HAVE A TON OF GREEN SPACE BEHIND THOSE UNITS. 
          UM, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY DRAMATICALLY SUFFOLK, WHAT IS THE SUFFOLK? IT VARIES. 
          ANTHONY, YOU WANNA GIVE 1 27 HERE AND SOME CHANGE? ONE OH, ALMOST 1 0 4 THERE. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT, IF YOU REMEMBER THE NEXT BANK OF BUILDINGS OVER HERE? YEAH. 
          OH, I HAVE. 
          IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AS THIS ONE. 
          1 0 4. 
          WHAT'S THE SHORTEST? ONE OF THE FOUR? SHORTEST IS 1 0 4 RIGHT HERE. 
          WELL, THIS ONE HERE IS 40, OR I'M SORRY, 50 FEET NEXT TO THAT'S BACON. 
          YEAH, THAT'S NOT, YEAH, SO WE, THAT'S A DRAMATIC INCREASE COMPARED TO WE WERE, WE ALSO DO SHOW, UH, THE REQUIRED EMERGENCY ACCESS PER APPENDIX D OF THE FIRE CODE, WHICH MEANS IF YOU EXTEND MORE THAN 150 FEET FOR AN INTERNAL DRIVEWAY, EITHER, EITHER LOCATION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A T TURNAROUND. 
          SO WE'RE SHOWING THAT AS WELL. 
          WE DO NOW HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN, AND IF YOU WANNA SHOW THAT ANTHONY IMPORTANT TO NOTE, IT'S A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPING PLAN, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THE PERMIT OPEN SPACE GIVES 'EM SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY IN LANDSCAPING. 
          YOU CAN SEE WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THREE GOALS, PROVIDE SOME LANDSCAPING, UM, THE RAILROAD TRACKS THAT ARE THERE TODAY, AND THEN PROVIDE LANDSCAPING, WHICH WILL BENEFIT THE EXISTING HOMEOWNERS ALONG BRIARCLIFF AS WELL AS THE FUTURE HOMEOWNERS OF THESE ATTACHED POUND HOMES. 
          AGAIN, RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT THOSE ARE FOR SALE, THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN CAN BE VETTED FURTHER AS WE, UH, PROCEED THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS. 
          AND AGAIN, WE HAVE AGAIN AND AGAIN REACHED OUT TO THE HOA AND ASKED IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO MEET WITH US. 
          WE'RE WE STILL REMAIN WILLING AND COMMITTED, THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THOSE ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT WITH THEM. 
          WE WOULD DO THAT. 
          SO WE THINK WE'VE MADE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL MODIFICATIONS. 
          THE OTHER TOPIC THAT CAME UP MOST RECENTLY DURING THE APRIL MEETING WAS ILLUSTRATING OUR SUPPORT FOR OUR PERMANENT OPEN SPACE CALCULATION. 
          SO ANTHONY, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE OVERALL PLAN PREPARED BY NUSSBAUMER AND CLARK. 
          SO AS YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT THAT WAS PREPARED ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN, AN OPEN SPACE REPORT TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WAS THE REQUIRED PERMANENT OPEN SPACE FOR THE OVERALL PUD AND WHAT WAS THE REQUIRED PERMITT OPEN SPACE FOR THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF THE PD, WHICH WAS AT THAT POINT DENOTED AS AREAS IJ AND K AND I BELIEVE IT WAS CHAIRMAN CLARK. 
          WE'VE BEEN PRESENTING THIS IN BLACK AND WHITE. 
          ASKED US TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF WHERE WAS THAT GREEN SPACE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          SO THIS SHOWS WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY SHOWN BACK THEN 30 YEARS AGO. 
          AND THAT ADDS UP IN TOTAL. 
          AND THE LEGEND IS ON THE BOTTOM LEFT TO 27.08 ACRES. 
          27.08 ACRES IS NOT A MAGICAL NUMBER. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY 25% OF THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A TYPICAL PUD REQUIREMENT FOR PERMANENT OPEN SPACE. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH PARCEL REPORTS MOST RECENTLY ON MAY 12TH, BUT ALSO IN JANUARY DE DENOTING, WHICH PARCELS IN THE, THE QUARRY PORTION OF THE PUD ARE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE. 
          AND THOSE ARE SIX DIFFERENT PARCELS. 
          CURRENTLY WE HAVE ZERO BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE, WHICH IS 5.11 ACRES. 
          AND THESE ARE INCLUDED WITH MY LETTER ZERO BRIARCLIFF DRIVE, 10.53 ACRES, ZERO BRIARCLIFF DRIVE, 3.38 ACRES, ZERO CHRISTOPHER BOULEVARD, 0.43 ACRES, ZERO CHRISTOPHER BOULEVARD, 0.36 ACRES. 
          AND THOSE FIVE PARCELS ARE ALL OWNED BY THE BRIARCLIFF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          MEANING TO ENSURE THEY WOULD REMAIN PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, THEY WERE DONATED AT NO COST TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          WE HAVE A SIXTH PARCEL AT ZERO CLOVER BANK ROAD, WHICH CONSISTS OF 3.1 ACRES THAT STILL REMAINS OWNED BY THE PERK DEVELOPMENT LLC. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN IT CAME TO THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL, THE HOA WAS NOT INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING OWNERSHIP, BUT IT IS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE. 
          IF ULTIMATELY THE TOWN WANTS TO SEE US RECORD A DEED RESTRICTION ON THAT PARCEL, WE'D BE FINE. 
          IT WON'T BE DEVELOPED. 
          AND THEN WE FINALLY HAVE THE EXISTING PARCEL, WHICH IS ZERO BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE, 9.37 ACRES. 
          AND WHILE IT'S A VACANT PARCEL TODAY, NOTHING IN TERMS OF DESIGNATED PERMIT OPEN SPACE. 
          SO BASED ON THE UP, BASED ON A SUMMARY OF THOSE OF THOSE PARCELS, WHICH AGAIN, WE PROVIDED TWICE, NOW WE HAVE A SHORTFALL 
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OF 4.17 ACRES, MEANING TODAY FOR AREAS IN THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT, IJ AND K WE'RE 4.17 ACRES SHORT OF THE REQUIRED 27.08 PAR ACRES. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SHOWING FIVE ACRES OF OUR SITE AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE. 
          AND THAT EXTRA RESULTS AT 27.91 ACRES VERSUS THE 27.08 ACRES. 
          IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE JOSH WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE ME WITH A COPY OF THE MOST RECENT SUBMISSION BY THE RESIDENTS EARLIER TODAY. 
          AND WHILE I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A CURSORY OR REVIEW, THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT IS THROUGHOUT THIS SUBMISSION, AND IT'S SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS SUBMISSIONS, THEY'RE ASKING THIS BOARD TO SUBTRACT WETLANDS, SUBTRACT STEEP SLOPES, SUBTRACT AREAS THAT ARE NEAR THE RAILROAD, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          THAT'S JUST NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED 30 YEARS AGO. 
          KEEP IN MIND THERE'S GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS IN YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS THAT WOULD APPLY TO A SUBDIVISION ONLY. 
          THOSE DO NOT APPLY TO THE PUD. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S A WETLAND, A STEEP SLOPE, A FORESTED AREA, A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT POND NEAR A RAILROAD TRACK, IT DOESN'T MATTER AS LONG AS IT'S PERMANENT OPEN SPACE TO REMAIN PERMANENTLY UNDEVELOPED. 
          AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT PLAN BACK FROM 1992. 
          WAIT, SO SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING YOU SAID. 
          SURE. 
          SO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT POND WOULD BE AN INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IS IT  INFRASTRUCTURE? SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED THAT STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE CONSIDERED PERMANENT OPEN SPACE UNDER OUR CURRENT PLAN. 
          WE'VE INCLUDED THAT SMALL AREA IN THE CALCULATION, BUT IF WE DID SUBTRACT IT, WE'D MEET IT, BUT AGAIN, PERMITTED UNDER THE METHODOLOGY UTILIZE ESTABLISHED 30 YEARS AGO. 
          SO ARE THERE OTHER STORMWATER PONDS IN THESE OTHER AREAS? I BELIEVE SO. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A LAKE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE, YEAH, THERE'S A LAKE. 
          THOSE SIX PARCELS. 
          YEAH, THERE ARE, YES, THERE'S WATER PONDS, THERE'S STORMWATER PONDS, THERE'S WETLANDS, THERE'S STEEP SLOPES, THERE'S AREAS NEAR RIGHT OF WAYS THERE. 
          AREAS NEAR THE RAILROAD TRACK. 
          I MEAN, LOOK, THIS ENTIRE AREA, WHICH GETS QUITE THIN HERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S RELATIVELY APPROXIMATE TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          AND IN CERTAIN AREAS WE WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE IT IS NOT A, IT IS NOT DEVELOPABLE CLEAR AS DAY, BUT IT, IT, IT DOES COUNT. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE, WHICH WAS DENOTED AS YOU MIGHT SEE THIS PARCEL, HOW STRANGE IT WAS SHAPED BACK THEN OR WHAT THE OPEN SPACE THAT WAS A TOTAL OF 6.62 ACRES AND WE END HERE, RIGHT? SO NOW WE'RE ADDING THE FIVE ADDITIONAL ACRES AND GETS US OVER BY APPROXIMATE ACRE. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL DISAGREEMENT WITH THE HOA IS SUBTRACTING AREAS THAT THEY DEEM MAYBE NOT BEING VALUABLE PER AN OPEN SPACE. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE METHODOLOGY. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK MR. BURKE AND HIS FAMILY DESERVE SOME, SOME CREDIT FOR MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT. 
          NUMBER ONE, CLEAR AS DAY APARTMENTS CAN BE PUT HERE. 
          APARTMENTS WERE SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN. 
          APARTMENTS WERE PROPOSED IN 2010. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE APARTMENTS WOULD NOT PER PERHAPS BE WELL RECEIVED BY THE NEIGHBORS. 
          I KNOW THEY WOULDN'T BE WELL RECEIVED. 
          SO INSTEAD OF THAT, WE'VE DELIBERATELY PROPOSED TWO STORY ONLY OWNER OCCUPIED UNITS, WHICH REQUIRES BIGGER FOOTPRINTS, RIGHT? THAN GOING TALLER AND DOING APARTMENTS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT RESULTED IN THAT SUBSTANTIAL DENSITY REDUCTION. 
          WE'VE LITERALLY VOLUNTARILY ELIMINATED 40% THE DENSITY. 
          THE EASIEST WAY FOR US TO SATISFY THE CURRENT OPEN SPACE ON THIS, WOULD WE GO BACK TO THE PLAN OR A SIMILAR PLAN TO WHAT WAS SHOWN WAY BACK WHEN IN THE EARLY 1990S AND JUST BUILD TWO OR THREE, TWO OR THREE STORY OR EVEN FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY LOANS. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT A THREAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANNA DO. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT WILL NOT BE WELL RECEIVED, BUT WE COULD EASILY DO IT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN A NUTSHELL. 
          UM, THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PROJECTS DURING YOUR MEETING, EARLY APRIL, I BELIEVE YOU ASKED THE PLANNING CONSULTANTS START TAKING A LOOK AT PREPARATION OF PART TWO AND POSSIBLY PART THREE OF THE AF I THINK THIS PROJECT AT THIS POINT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY WELL VETTED IN TERMS OF EACH AND EVERY ISSUE. 
          WHETHER IT'S TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, CONSISTENCY WITH THE FINDING STATEMENT THAT WAS ISSUED WAY BACK IN 1988. 
          SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE IN A POSITION NOW THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. 
          I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE OTHER THING. 
          SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED PROJECT, THERE WAS ACTUALLY WHAT WAS PROPOSED FOR THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT AREAS, I, J AND K FOR THE 1998 MOST RECENT PLAN SHOWED A TOTAL BUILD OUT OF THOSE AREAS OF 338 DWELLING UNITS. 
          NOW AS A RESULT OF, AGAIN, ELIMINATING AN ADDITIONAL 40 PLUS UNITS ON THIS 9.37 ACRE SITE, WE'RE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 192 UNITS FOR THAT WHOLE A HUNDRED ACRE PLUS AREA. 
          BELIEVE IT OR NOT. 
          THAT'S A 56.8% REDUCTION IN DENSITY COMPARED TO WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED. 
          SO I GET THE FACT THAT THE PREFERENCE OF THE NEIGHBORS AGAIN, WOULD BE THAT THERE'D BE NO DEVELOPMENT HERE OR MAYBE EVEN MORE LIMITED DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE AREN'T DOING OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE RAISED. 
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AND I THINK THAT'S BEST REFLECTED THROUGH THE SUBSTANTIAL MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE PROJECT LAB. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          WE OF COURSE WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS OR INPUT TO ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE. 
          OH, I ALSO DO WANNA, CAN WE SHOW THE LIGHTING PLAN QUICK? SO ONE OF THE BENEFITS OBVIOUSLY OF DOING OWNER OCCUPIED TOWN HOMES, WE DON'T NEED A LOT OF LIGHTING ON SITE. 
          ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL REMAIN PRIVATE. 
          SO ANTHONY DID PREPARE A CONCEPTUAL LIGHTING PLAN. 
          IT SHOWS THAT WHAT WE WOULD INSTALL WOULD BE LOW LEVEL LIGHT STANDARDS, NO NEED FOR TALL LIGHT STANDARDS LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN A COP'S PARKING LOT. 
          AND THERE WOULD LIGHTING SPILLOVER WOULD BE LIMITED TO THOSE AREAS. 
          AND ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHTING SPILLOVER WHATSOEVER. 
          WE'RE SHOWING AT ZERO FOOT CANDLES ON THE PROP LINES. 
          ALL THAT LIGHTING WOULD BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S LIGHTING STANDARDS. 
          AND AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE DETAILS IN TERMS OF ENGINEERED PLANS WOULD NEED TO BE VETTED AGAIN BY YOU IN CONNECTION WITH, UM, THE ONGOING PRELIMINARY PLA PROCESS. 
          YOU SAID THAT, UM, YOU SAID THAT COUNTING THE GREEN SPACE IN THE WAY THAT YOU'RE ADVOCATING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROACH THAT WAS TAKEN 30 YEARS AGO, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR BASIS? YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ACTUAL REPORT THAT ACCOMPANIES THAT PLAN, THE OPEN SPACE PLAN REPORT, AND WHAT DID IT SHOW? IT SHOWED THAT THEY WERE ADAMANT, YEAH, IT JUST, IT DESCRIBED ALL THOSE HISTORICAL AREAS. 
          EIGHTH WOODED AREA. 
          YEAH, IT SAYS THEY INCLUDE WETLANDS, WOODED AREAS, STREAMS, STEEP SLOPES. 
          AND I BELIEVE IT WAS PAGES 16 AND 17 OF THAT REPORT THAT DEALT WITH THAT IN, IN DETAIL. 
          AND DID THEY EXPLICITLY ON THOSE TWO PAGES, CALL IT STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE? UM, LEMME SEE. 
          I THINK I MAY ACTUALLY HAVE AN . 
          NOT SURE THEY DID CAITLYN, BUT ALL THE OTHERS THEY DID. 
          THAT'S THE ONE THAT I'M, I THINK HARPER, IT SAYS LAKES. 
          I'M SURE THOSE LAKES ARE RETENTION. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO YEAH. 
          BUT IT IS. 
          I MEAN, BUT THEY ARE BUT THEY ARE THOUGH. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE PUT THERE FOR AND THEY WERE REFERRING TO THE WATER THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY OR THAT WAS BEING PLANTED TO THE PROPERTY? NO, THEY WERE REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS, THERE ACTUALLY IS A LAKE IN THERE. 
          YOU MIND, IT'S A, IT'S AN OLD QUARRY. 
          SO YEAH. 
          NOT SURPRISING. 
          SO JUST, YOU GUYS KNOW THE PUBLIC SAYING AS YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE SUBJECT OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT MANY DECADES AGO. 
          IT HAS BEEN THE TOWN CONSISTENT AT LEAST OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS TO SAY, YEAH, WE KNOW THAT THAT EIS IS SOMEWHAT OUTDATED. 
          IT IS OUTDATED. 
          THE FINDINGS IS NOT A THOROUGH FINDINGS DOCUMENT. 
          SO THE TOWN HAS BEEN TAKING THE TRACK OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ONE OF FOUR OPTIONS. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE A GENERIC IMPACT, AN IMPACT STATEMENT DONE, YOU CAN SAY IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CON IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FINDINGS IN THE EIS OR YOU CAN DETERMINE IT MAY NOT BE IN CONFORMANCE, BUT BASED UPON INFORMATION SUBMITTED, THOSE CHANGES AREN'T SUBSTANTIAL AND DON'T CREATE AN IMPACT. 
          OR YOU COULD ASK FOR AMENDED FINDINGS. 
          WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING AMENDED FINDING, EVEN THE TOWN BOARD HASN'T DONE IT. 
          OR YOU CAN SAY THE CHANGES OR THINGS ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO ASK FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. 
          WHAT YOU ASKED ME TO DO IS JUST ANOTHER TOOL IS YOU ASKED US TO FILL OUT A PART TWO OF AN A, BUT KEEP IN MIND A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE IN THE PART TWO, THE A UH, ALTHOUGH I'VE CHECKED POTENTIALLY LARGE, WE'RE ADDRESSED IN THE ORIGINAL EIS, WHETHER WE AGREE OR NOT, IT'S BASED UPON THESE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE. 
          THE CHANGES ARE THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL PUD SHOWED A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLANS AND SHOWED MULTI-FAMILY THAT SHOWED U-SHAPED BUILDINGS. 
          THEY HAD DIFFERENT IDEAS FOR WHAT WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED IN THIS LOCATION OF THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT THERE WASN'T REAL INTENSE PLANS DONE IN THAT AREA. 
          AS YOU KNOW, THE RECREATIONAL ISSUES COME UP ALWAYS. 
          AND THE OPEN SPACE ISSUE HAS COME UP THROUGHOUT THE REVIEWS OF THIS. 
          AND YOU HAVE SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION FROM THE RESIDENTS AND FROM THE APPLICANT ON, ON THAT ISSUE. 
          UM, TRAFFIC WAS AN ISSUE. 
          THEY DID A TRAFFIC STUDY TO TRY TO UPDATE IT AND SAY THEY REALIZE TRAFFIC HAS CHANGED, BUT THEY BELIEVE THIS WILL NOT HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT. 
          UM, THE ISSUE OF, I PUT IT UNDER PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, THE ISSUE OF THE RAILROAD HAS COME UP AND THE CLOSEST THE RAILROAD THERE HAS BEEN PLANS ALL ALONG ALONG THIS RAILROAD, BUT DO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THEY HAVE PUSHED THE BUILDINGS BACK. 
          BUT HAVE THEY MITIGATED THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PLAN THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY APPROVED FOR THAT AREA. 
          UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER ISSUES. 
          THE STANDARD ONES WE SEE, I MEAN THERE'S NOT ARCHEOLOGICALLY SENSITIVE, THEY'RE NOT ISSUES OF HISTORIC HERE. 
          THOSE WERE ADDRESSED IN THE ORIGINALLY I GEOLOGY AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, THOSE ISSUES WERE ADDRESSED. 
          I FORGET HERE, SEAN, WE HAVE DOWN SOME CAPACITY. 
          ARE YOU GONNA HAVE RIGHT SEWER AND WATER, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO DO ANY BLASTING HERE OR HOW, HOW DEEP IS THE BEDROCK HERE? DO WE HAVE ANY ? IT VARIES THROUGHOUT THE SITE. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE YOU CAN CONFIRM BECAUSE 
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BLASTING ALONG A RAILROAD IN NEAR EXISTING HOMES OR VEHICLE, WE DON'T WANNA DO BLASTING NEAR RIGHT. 
          AND THESE TOWNHOUSES WILL PROBABLY WILL OR WILL NOT HAVE BASEMENTS, BUT IT'D BE SLAB ONE GRAVE OR OR BASEMENTS SLAB. 
          OKAY. 
          PLEASE IF YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT, THAT THAT ISSUE CAME UP IN THE PART TWO THAT I WENT THROUGH. 
          'CAUSE THERE IS CHANGE THERE. 
          AREAS WHERE THE BEDROCK COMES UP IN, IN THIS AREA, IT'S AN OLD QUARRY, GUYS THERE THAT ROCK. 
          UM, IF YOU WANNA USE THAT FORM TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED, I'M HOPING BY THE NEXT MEETING, THE BIGGEST ISSUE, AND I APOLOGIZE, YOU HAVE A TON OF INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANTS AND FROM THE RESIDENTS AND REVIEWING THOSE, PLEASE GIVE US THE TOWN ENGINEER ANY DIRECTION ON ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU MAY, MAY NEED IN RESEARCH. 
          I AM RESEARCHING THE ISSUE OF THIS RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED BY THE TOWN BOARD A COUPLE DECADES AGO. 
          AND WHAT WAS THE CONTEXT OF THAT AND MAKING SURE THE TOWN BOARDS ASKED ME TO LOOK AT THAT 'CAUSE THE RESIDENTS CAME TO THE MEETING. 
          THAT'S AN ISSUE RELATED TO, AS YOU KNOW, THE LAW NOW IS YOU DEDICATE LANDS OR YOU, YOU PAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS A LOT. 
          AND WE EVEN CHANGED THE LAW YEARS AGO TO AFFECT SITE PLAN. 
          THIS IS NOT A SITE PLAN, THIS IS A SUBDIVISION. 
          UM, THIS IS NOT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S FOR SALE UNITS. 
          SO IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAW, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE 10% OF THE BUILDING TO BE AFFORDABLE. 
          HOUSING DOESN'T FALL UNDER THAT LAW. 
          TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE LAWS THAT HAVE CHANGED. 
          UH, CAMMI WILL WORK ON THE STORM WATER LAWS HAVE CHANGED TREMENDOUSLY OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. 
          SHE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. 
          THIS IS A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE POINTED OUT THE TOWNHOUSE. 
          THEY TRY TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS UNDER THE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE PUD UNDER THE TOWNHOUSE REGULATIONS, WHICH HAD CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR SIZE OF SIZE OF, UH, OF LOTS OF UNITS AND HAVING PATIOS ON THE BACK, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION PLEASE TONIGHT'S ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM THEM DIRECTING MYSELF, GHD OR OTHERS TO GET YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHEN YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS VOLUME. 
          I WENT THROUGH MY FILE, IT IS A TREMENDOUS VOLUME OF INFORMATION, SO I'M TRYING, SO I'M TRYING TO ZERO IN ON THE, THE, THE PRECISE ISSUES RELATING TO THE, THE ACRE ISSUE. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, SO THE FIRST, THE FIRST ISSUE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE HAVING RELATES TO, OR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR DEFINITION OF WHAT COUNTS TO GREEN STAYS AND THEIR DEFINITION? YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE TOWN'S DEFINITION OF THEIR DEFINITION. 
          SURE. 
          BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING ONE, YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SHOULD ADOPT ANOTHER. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE COUNTING AREAS, SORT OF LIKE AREAS OF GREEN SPACE. 
          YOU'RE INCLUDING, UH, PARCELS MM-HMM . 
          THAT SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED AT ALL. 
          THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE GREEN SPACE, THE 27 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE WAS A SUBSET, LIKE A SMALLER, LIKE ONLY . 
          OH YEAH. 
          LIKE SO YEAH, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I LOOKED AT THE LETTER. 
          SO THEY'RE SAYING, REMEMBER, FIVE OF THOSE SIX PARCELS ARE OWNED BY THE ASSOCIATION. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS SUBSET SUB SEGMENTS OF THOSE PARCELS GENERAL ONLY, ONLY COUNT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? MY RESPONSE IS, NO, THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE DEFINITION USED BACK 30 YEARS AGO. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE DON'T, THE ENTIRE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT AREA IS WHERE YOU PULL THE 27 ACRES? NO, I'M SAYING THAT WITHIN THE PARCELS THAT NOW ADD UP TO MORE THAN 27.08 ACRES, YOU CAN'T SUBTRACT THOSE AREAS SUBJECTIVELY LIKE, OH, THERE'S A WETLAND THERE, THERE'S AN AREA THAT'S CLOSE TO A RAILROAD TRACK, THERE'S AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A STEEP SLOPE, THERE'S A BEDROCK. 
          THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST NOT THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED. 
          I WOULD, AND I'M, I'M RELYING ON THE REPORT FOLKS. 
          I'M ALSO, I WOULD PARTIALLY AGREE WITH JOHN IN THAT LIKE A WETLAND IS SOMETHING YOU PUT ON THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT WOULD BECOME OPEN SPACE. 
          IT MAY NOT BE RECREATION SPACE, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT WE WOULD NEED IS IF YOU COULD SUBMIT THOSE TWO PAGES WITH THE DEFINITION ON IT, AN OPEN SPACE PLAN, AGAIN WITH A, WITH WHATEVER YOUR RESPONSE IS TO THIS LETTER IN WRITING. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING THROUGH THAT WITH YOUR RESPONSE TO EACH OF THOSE COMMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT LETTER, THE LETTER I WAS REFERENCING IS, MAN, YOU MAY HAVE NOT GONE JUST ON MAY 12TH, WE SUBMITTED A DETAILED LETTER THAT PAUSE ALL THIS YEP. 
          AND ACTUALLY DOES HAVE EXCERPTS AND QUOTES FROM THAT REPORT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN I I, I'VE GOT SOME NOTES THAT I TOOK LOOKING AT BOTH OF THOSE. 
          I MEAN, I, I WAS REALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT WE GOT FROM BOTH SIDES. 
          IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR AND IT HELPED ME TO YEAH, KIND OF REALLY UNDERSTAND WHETHER I WAS CLOUDY. 
          AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING, JUST SO EVERYTHING'S LIKE OUT THERE ON THE RECORD, IS BACK IN 1993, THE 27.08 ACRES WERE MADE UP OF 6.92 ACRES WEST OF TOWERS ONE ACRE OVERLOOKED PARK, 12.54 ACRES OF LAKE YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THIS AREA. 
          YES. 
          FIVE, 12.54 
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ACRES OF LAKES IN WOODLANDS. 
          AND 6.62 ACRES WAS THE RAILROAD BUFFER AND THE TOP PLAY AREA, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS CALLED. 
          THEY SAID NO, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT SIR CLARK. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, THE, THE ISSUE WITH THAT JAB IS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THAT CASE IN 1993, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WASN'T. 
          SO THAT WEST OF TOWERS, AT LEAST 3.47 OF THAT WAS WETLANDS. 
          UM, THE TOP OR THE, THE RAILROAD BUFFER IN THE PLAYGROUND. 
          UM, WHERE DID I PUT THAT? UM, IT WAS 6.626. 
          YEAH, 6.62. 
          UM, ALMOST ALL OF THAT WAS RAILROAD BUFFER, RIGHT? IT WAS, IT WAS THERE. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE OUT THE WETLANDS AND THE RAILROAD BUFFER, WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN 1993 DOESN'T ADD UP TO THE 27 THAT WAS REQUIRED. 
          SO I THINK BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IS, IS IS THAT BACK THEN THEY WERE CONSIDERING THE WETLANDS, JUST BECAUSE THE MATH DOESN'T SEEM TO WORK OUT. 
          IF YOU SUBTRACTED THE WETLANDS BACK THEN AND THE RAILROAD BUFFER AND, AND THE RAILROAD BUFFER, YES. 
          SORRY. 
          AND THE RESIDENTS JUST SAY THAT WAS THE WRONG DECISION THEN. 
          AND SO, UM, I MEANT NO, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY SAYING THAT. 
          IT'S KIND OF WHAT I AM PULLING FROM COMPARING THE TWO MAPS. 
          SO THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THE DISCREPANCIES ARE. 
          I DO WANNA NOTE IF THE RESIDENTS ARE ALSO, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARCEL REPORTS THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED, THOSE SIX PARCEL REPORTS THAT ADD UP TO THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE TODAY WITHIN THE QUARRY, THAT THEY DON'T EXACTLY MATCH UP WITH THESE PARCELS FROM THAT FENCE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT WAS ESTABLISHING THE ACREAGE. 
          SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          BUT THE FACT THAT THE HOA TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THEM, OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE COUNTING, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T LIKE, OH, WE'RE ONLY GONNA TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT AREA. 
          THAT'S NOT A WELL, AND WE'RE ONLY GONNA TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT AREA. 
          THAT'S NOT STEEP. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF THE ATTACHMENTS THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED AND SCANNED IN ARE VERY HARD TO READ IN THE PF. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL MAPS IN THE, WE SUBMITTED 10 COPIES OF IT AND YOU COPY A COPY AND WE INCLUDED FULL-SIZED PLANS WERE APPLICABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE SCANS ARE DIFFICULT. 
          I AGREE. 
          BUT WE, WE DID AND WE APPRECIATE JOSH ALWAYS DISTRIBUTES IT RIGHT WHEN HE GETS IT. 
          BUT WE ALSO SUBMITTED HARD COPIES. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          AND SOME OF THEM ARE JUST, THEY'RE TOUGH TO SEATTLE SCAN. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          BOTH OF YOUR POINTS, THERE'S GOTTA BE AN ANSWER SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS ARE CALLING IT RECREATION SPACE AND YOU'RE INTERCHANGING RECREATION AND GREEN SPACE. 
          NO, I'M SAYING WHAT WAS REGULATED, WHAT WAS REQUIRED FOR 27.08 WAS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE. 
          THAT'S REAL IMPORTANT. 
          NOT RECREATION AREA AND PERMANENT OPEN SPACE. 
          AND IT WASN'T USABLE FOR REAL OPEN SPACE. 
          IT WAS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE. 
          AND THE RESIDENTS KEEP CALLING ME RECREATION SPACE. 
          SO IF THE PLAN HAS, SO IT'S BEING USABLE, THAT'S RECREATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF BOTH OF THOSE AND WHAT DOES THE ORIGINAL PLAN SAY? YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE, THE ANSWER'S GOTTA BE SOMEWHERE IN THERE, RIGHT? IT'S IN THE REPORT. 
          YEAH, IT'S IN REPORT. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN, AN OBJECTIVE ANSWER. 
          BY THE WAY. 
          THE BIGGEST RECREATIONAL COMPONENT AS YOU KNOW, PRIOR WE DEALT WITH IS, IS THE HEART TRAIL. 
          WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THE HEART TRAIL IS COMPLETED. 
          WE DID THAT ON THE FAR END, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COMPLETED. 
          THAT WAS A BIG COMPONENT OF THE RECREATIONAL COMPONENT OF, OF FIREWOOD. 
          AND WE DID ADD IT TO OUR PLAN BASED ON EARLY INPUT IN THE REVIEW PROCESS. 
          SO IT SHOWED, I MEAN, IF THE BOARD WANTS, AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH INFORMATION AND, AND NOT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE AT ALL CONFRONTATIONAL. 
          WE JUST RECEIVED THIS TODAY. 
          CAN'T SAY I SPENT A TON OF TIME, IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO SUBMIT A LETTER RESPONDING TO IT, I CAN, I JUST, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BEST WAY TO TEE UP ANY REMAINING QUESTIONS YOU HAVE RELATIVE TO THAT. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GET, I WAS TRYING TO CRYSTALLIZE IT AND OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A, BECAUSE I, I THINK, I MEAN, I, I THINK THEIR LETTER IS ACTUALLY ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD AND CLEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, YEAH. 
          SO I DO THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A CON A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFUSION. 
          IT MAY NOT BE DELIBERATE ABOUT, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RECREATION AREA AND PERMANENT OPEN SPACE. 
          AND FOR OUR SITE, WHICH DOES QUALIFY AS A SUBDIVISION ON OUR SITE, THE 9.37 ACRES, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 10% RECREATIONAL AREA. 
          INSTEAD OF THAT, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES WHAT'S REQUIRED, TWO PLUS ACRES, COPY OF THE RECREATION FEE, LABOR RESOLUTION. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT DREW SAID. 
          HE WAS TRYING TO PROVE. 
          THERE WAS A REFERENCE, THE QUESTION ABOUT 
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THE RECREATION FEE RESOLUTION. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S, I DON'T REMEMBER RESEARCH AND FIND OUT. 
          I DIDN'T WANNA TAKE IT OUT. 
          I WANTED THE WHOLE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THAT MEETING. 
          WHAT WAS IT ABOUT, DO YOU REMEMBER THE LAWS OVER THE YEARS BEFORE IT WAS FOR ALL DEVELOPMENTS, SUBDIVISIONS, ET CETERA. 
          THERE WERE THE 10% OR DEDICATION OF OPEN SPACE OR RECREATION TO THE TOWN. 
          THE TOWN OVER THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS DOES NOT WANT ANY MORE RECREATION PLACE. 
          THEY DON'T WANT LAND DONATED. 
          SO THEY BASICALLY ASKED FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS A LOT. 
          AND I THINK WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT DOES, DO THEY OWE US THAT FOR THIS TO HAVE THE LAWS CHANGED, WE ALWAYS CONTINUE TO FALL BACK ON THE ORIGINAL PUD PLAN, WHICH IS KIND REZONING. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, OVER THE YEARS WE GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON HOW THE SITE IS, IS BEING DEVELOPED. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT DECISION WAS MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD AND MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THE TOWN BOARD WANTS TO KNOW THE TOWN, THE BOARD MADE SOME DECISION, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE DECISION IS BEING FOLLOWED. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE DECISION, I DUNNO IF IT HELPS TO HAVE YOU FIND, IT LOOKS LIKE AS FAR AS THE, THE RESIDENTS, UH, SUBMISSION WAS THAT IT WAS JULY 25TH, 1990. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE GOT THE RESOLUTION FROM THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WELL, THE WHOLE, YOU SHOULD GO FIND THE CONTEXT OF AND WHAT IT WAS ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE GOOD THING IS THERE'S A DATE REFERENCE. 
          WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRACK DOWN THAT RESOLUTION AND SEE WHAT RELEVANCY IT HAS. 
          HONEY, I HAVE TO SAY THAT PREDATES ME BEING WITH THE TOWN. 
          SO I DON'T, THAT WAS ABOUT YOU FINALLY GOT ONE, FINALLY GOT SOMETHING TO PREDATE 1994. 
          THE FINDING STATEMENT IS OLDER THAN MARK. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THIS IS WE OFF, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY. 
          HOW MANY, UM, HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE AT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME? TOTAL FOR THE COER ON THE SITE FOR THIS PROJECT? SIX. 
          SO WE'RE DOWN TO 57, WHICH PUTS US BELOW THE 10 THE SUBSIDIZED HOUSING REQUIRE. 
          OH NO. 
          THE REASON WHY SUBSIDIZED HOUSING DOESN'T APPLY THIS, THIS SITE IS 'CAUSE IT'S OWNER. 
          IT'S GONNA BE FOR SALE. 
          YES. 
          AH, OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S 55TH. 
          GOT IT. 
          IT WOULD APPLY OTHERWISE I JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER AND IT WASN'T IN FRONT OF ME. 
          AND AS YOU RECALL ON THIS OVERALL PUD, WE ALSO AND THE BURKE FAMILY DID THIS DELIBERATELY ACCOMMODATED PEOPLE INC. 
          THAT PROVIDE AN AFFORDABLE COMPONENT ON THE OVERALL SITE. 
          DO YOU WANNA WALK THROUGH THIS PART TOO? WE DIDN'T GET THAT. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, DO WE WANNA DO THIS OR DO WE WANNA WAIT UNTIL WE GET THIS STUFF FROM THE, THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 25TH 19? DO WE WANNA PERHAPS, PERHAPS RESOLVE SOME OF THESE THAT WE DON'T THINK WE WOULD AND SEE IF WE NEED ANY OTHER INFORMATION ON 'EM? SO LIKE, PART, PART ONE FOR THE FOLKS WANTING TO LEARN ALL ABOUT EAFS, UH, IMPACT ON LAND, WE HAD ONE THAT WAS CHECKED MODERATE. 
          OH NO, RIGHT HERE. 
          ALL, WHY CAN'T, THERE'S THE, SO, SO THE THINGS IN THE WAYS THEY ALSO NOTICE NO, A SMALL IMPACT OR, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF E WHICH WAS MAY INVOLVE CONSTRUCTION THAT CONTINUES FOR MORE THAN ONE YEAR OR IN MULTIPLE PHASES. 
          I WOULD, I DON'T THOSE CONSTRUCTION RELATED IMPACT YOU HAVE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS. 
          SO WE HAVE A CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THIS, I THINK YOU SAID THAT  MAY TAKE OVER A YEAR TO FULLY BUILD OUT. 
          THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE AND DOWN TO 57 UNITS. 
          I'M SURE IT GONNA TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE ENVISION IT WOULD BE ONE PAGE ONE, UH, IT ONE PAGE. 
          I, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER INFORMATION WE NEED ON THAT FRONT. 
          THE NEXT CATEGORY IS TWO IMPACT ON GEOLOGIC FEATURES. 
          UH, THAT'S A, YEAH, I JUST WANNA MENTION UNDER CATEGORY ONE THAT ALSO REFERENCED, UH, WATER CAP WATER TABLE LESS THAN THREE FEET. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE ROCK AGAIN. 
          OH, . 
          I JUST THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING A QUICK VERSION. 
          NOPE, I FAVORABLE THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE TINY LITTLE NEXT TIME YOU REVISE THE SECRET. 
          WHILE DREW, WE'D LIKE A BIGGER BOX ON THE TOP FOR THE NAME OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, THE DEPTH OF WATER TABLE WAS THAN THREE FEET. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY OTHER INFORMATION THERE. 
          DEPTH OF BEDROCK. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY OTHER INFORMATION. 
          I LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE INFORMATION BECAUSE LASTING WOULD BE AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY NEAR A RAILROAD. 
          I'M ASSUMING THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ROCK THERE, BUT THE EIS DOES. 
          SURE. 
          THE RAILROAD GENERAL ROCK CONDITION. 
          YEAH, IT'S . 
          CAN YOU PROVIDE NOTES ABOUT WHAT THE ROCK SUBSTRATE IS AND WHAT METHODS WOULD BE USED TO EXCAVATE? I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, WOULD YOU, I THINK YOU'D LOOKING FOR CONFIRMATION OR NOT BLASTING? I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE RESTRICTION OF NO BLASTING ON A LET US I THINK WE MOST LIKELY 
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OUR DEBUT WANNA LOOK AT IT QUICK? YEAH, LET US YOU CAN COME BACK TO THAT. 
          YEAH, WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DUG ALL THOSE HOUSES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY AND THERE WERE NO ISSUES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU ALSO HAD TESTS ON THIS SIDE THERE. 
          NEVER NO DOG. 
          GOOD. 
          CORRECT. 
          OH, WE'LL GET THOSE. 
          UH, IMPACT ON GEOLOGICAL FEATURES. 
          NO, THAT'S NUMBER TWO. 
          NUMBER THREE IS IMPACTS ON SURFACE WATER. 
          UH, A WE HAVE CHECKED IS, UH, MODERATE LARGE. 
          I, ARE WE CALLING THE STORM WATER POND A NEW WATER BODY? I NEW WATER DREW. 
          WHAT IS IT? IS IT A, IS IT IT'S A POND. 
          IT'S A POND. 
          SO I'LL GO WITH THE NO, THERE YOU GO. 
          I ALWAYS KNEW CONSERVATIVE, WE GO THROUGH CONSERVATIVES. 
          GONNA SAY I'M ASSUMING JOSH. 
          JOSH, YOU'RE GETTING THESE SORT, THE EDITS. 
          RIGHT? UH, PROS, ACTION MAY INVOLVE JUDGING MORE THAN A HUNDRED CUBIC YARDS OF MATERIAL FROM A WETLAND OR WATER BODY. 
          ARE YOU JUST, YOU'RE, THERE'S NO WETLAND IMPACTS AND YOU'RE NOT PULLING ANYTHING FROM EXISTING WATER BODY. 
          SO THAT SHOULD BE NOW IT IS NOT RIGHT. 
          IT'S IT IS NOW. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          I WAS NOT THE ONE THAT BELOW IT. 
          THE PROS ACTION MAY INVOLVE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN OR ADJOINING A FRESH WATER OR TITLE ONE. 
          THAT'S A NO. 
          OKAY, SO I'M STILL WRITING. 
          THAT'S A NO. 
          D IS NO CORRECT. 
          SO D IS NO, UH, H PROZAC MAY CAUSE SOIL EROSION OR OTHERWISE CREATE A SOURCE OF STORMWATER DISCHARGE LEAD TO SILTATION. 
          ALTHOUGH DEGRADATION OF RECEIVING WATER BODIES, WE WILL HAVE A SWITCH FOR THE, YEAH, THAT'S ALL ALL TELL YOU WHAT, IT'LL NOT BE PLAN. 
          YEAH, WE RESOLVE IT. 
          WELL THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NO, IT'S A YES. 
          AND THEN A THREE BE WRITTEN PLUS IS ASKING NO, NO. 
          WHY? WHAT? YEAH, RIGHT. 
          MISTAKENLY A AND D, THE LARGE IMPACT MAY OCCUR, RIGHT? A AND D SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO, THERE'S NO . 
          AND UNDER PARTS THREE, TAMMY TELLS US THAT THIS SWIFT TO THIS. 
          NO, DREW, WE'RE GOING BACK TO D. 
          WE'RE GOING BACK TO D ABOUT THE WETLAND. 
          DENNIS, IT'S LATE. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A LONG MEETING. 
          WE'RE ALL UH, . 
          WE'LL GET THROUGH IT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION HERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE'S NO MORE THAT I SEE. 
          NO, LOOK AT THE RIGHT ONE ON THREE SURFACE ORDER FOUR IS IMPACTED ON GROUNDWATER. 
          I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          FIVE IS FLOODING AND WE NEED, UM, ALL OF THESE ARE CHECKED. 
          NO. 
          IS THERE ANY WORK WITHIN, THERE'S NO WORK WITHIN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN OR A 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN? NO. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE WILL BE A MODIFICATION OR CHANGE TO EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERNS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STORMWATER PLAN THAT CAMMI WILL REVIEW AND MAINTAINED OR CONSTRUCTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SW. 
          THERE ARE NO DAMS. AIR NO POINT SOURCE AIR MEASURES. 
          UH, SEVEN IMPACT ON PLANTS AND ANIMALS. 
          NO, BASED UPON THE ORIGINAL EISI DON'T THINK ANYTHING PAINTED IN THE AREA THAT WE BRING. 
          HOW MUCH? THERE'S NO TREE CLEAR. 
          REMIND ME ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S REALLY, IT'S PRETTY VACANT AS IT IS. 
          THERE'S REALLY NO TREES ON THERE. 
          CURRENT? NO. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH, WE'RE ADDING TREES. 
          SO THAT'S A NO AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES, NONE. 
          NO, IT'S NOT A BUSINESS AESTHETIC. 
          RESOURCES. 
          THERE ARE NO UNIQUE AESTHETIC RESOURCES. 
          AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT CONSTITUTES AS CENIC RESOURCE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ON THE SECRET GUIDANCE AND HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES. 
          IT DOESN'T THE FORMER CORY. 
          SO HOPEFULLY DISTURBED IMPACT OF OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION. 
          SO I OBJECT. 
          YES. 
          . 
          SO I THINK WE NEED, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MOSTLY. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK BACK AT ALL THIS TALK ABOUT LATER. 
          SO MAYBE WE TABLE ANY, IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE NEED ON 11TH FROM EITHER THE HOA OR FOR THAT? JUST WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM DREW RIGHT. 
          ON THE MINUTES, CORRECT? WELL, WELL FROM WHATEVER SOURCE, BUT IT'S THE, WHAT, WHAT WERE THEY DOING IN JULY, 1980? AND IF THERE IS A SITE SOURCE, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION FOR EACH COPY DOCUMENTATION OF EACH OF THOSE SOURCES? START AGAIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE DON'T NEED TO RESTRICT OUR INPUT ON THAT FROM JUST DREW. 
          I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          IF ASSOCIATION HAS THAT DOCUMENT, THE MINUTES FROM THE 1990 MEETING. 
          THEY SHOULD BE, I MEAN NOW IF THERE'S A DATE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO. 
          WE SHOULD ALL  I KNOW. 
          OR LOBBY 1990 MEETING WITH THE DECISION. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE REFERENCED IN YOUR LETTER, THE RESOLUTION. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE ALLOWED OPEN STATE, THE DEFINITE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UH, 12. 
          THERE ARE NO CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS HERE. 
          THE 
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ONLY ONE IN THE TOWN IS ONE BY 18 MILE CREEK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SOMEDAY WE'D BE ABLE TO DO DREW'S TALKED ONE. 
          HE DID. 
          UH, 13 IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION. 
          WE'VE NOTED THAT THERE'S A CHANGE, BUT THE TRIP GENERATION DOESN'T TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. 
          WE DID A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY VOLUNTARILY BASED ON THE 96. 
          BASED ON, YEAH, BASED ON THE MORE UNITS END UPDATED IT BASED ON INFORMATION. 
          YES. 
          THE BLASTING AND IMPACT ON ENERGY. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF THEM ARE ALL CHECKED. 
          NO. 
          UM, THE ITEM THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAYBE MOVE OVER TO MODERATE TO LARGE WITH AN EXPLANATION IS B BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE THAN 50 SINGLE OR TWO FAMILY RESIDENCES. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE 56 UNITS, RIGHT? 56. 
          YES. 
          NO, BUT WE'LL REQUIRE DURATION OR EXTENSION AND ENERGY ZONE. 
          IT'S SEVEN. 
          EXISTING, EXISTING. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EXTENSION OR NEW POLE. 
          YEAH, WE'RE JUST EXTENDING LINES. 
          YEAH. 
          NEW. 
          ALL ON. 
          THEY'RE ON. 
          SO THEY'RE ALL UNDER. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, SO 15 NOISE B WASN'T CHECKED. 
          THAT MY QUESTION ABOUT WE'RE GONNA THAT BLASTING. 
          OH, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE, WE'RE CHECKING NO FOR BLASTING UNTIL WE HEAR OTHERWISE, UM, LIGHT SHINING ONTO ADJOINING PROPERTIES. 
          WE'VE GOT THE LIGHTING PLAN THAT SAYS THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO WE SWITCH THAT TO NO, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE RIGHT. 
          AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT. 
          I WOULD SAY D AND E OR NO, SMALL, MODERATE. 
          I DID LARGE. 
          AND THEN YOU DOCUMENTED. 
          NO, I KNOW YOU CAN DO HERE THOUGH ON THESE TWO. 
          LIKE, I'M NOT THAT THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. 
          I DON'T WANNA SPLIT HAIRS, I'M JUST SAYING THEY CAN MAKE IT DARK SKY COMPLIANCE. 
          BUT IF THE PERSON WHO LIVES HERE HAS A GONNA BLIND THEIR NEIGHBOR WITH A, UM, MOTION LIGHT OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A MILLION CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AND BE THE GRISWOLD, THEN THEY DO FIT IN BOTH THESE CATEGORIES. 
          AND THAT'S NOT ON THEM. 
          I'M NOT SAYING TO SPLIT HAIRS. 
          YOU CAN MAKE IT A NO. 
          WELL THE FLOODLIGHT THING COULD, THEY'RE PERSONAL HOMES. 
          THE FLOODLIGHT ISSUE COULD BE REGULATED UNDER THE TOWN CODE AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. 
          THE, THE GRISWOLD CHRISTMAS THING. 
          I, UNLESS WELL THAT'S OUTSIDE YOUR CONTROL. 
          THAT WOULD BE SEASONAL. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S OUTSIDE YOUR CONTROL. 
          BUT DREW'S VERY CONSERVATIVE AND THESE ARE PERSONAL HOMES. 
          THEY MIGHT NEED AN UPGRADE AT THE SUBSTATION. 
           FROM WHAT I RECALL, SPEED ON IMPACT ON HUMAN HEALTH LOCATION NEAR A RAILROAD. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN BECAUSE THAT'S FEDERALLY REGULATED. 
          YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD. 
          A RESIDENT BROUGHT IT UP WAS LIKE WITHIN THE 50 FOOT REQUIRED SETBACK OR WHATEVER. 
          WE CAN DO IT AS MODERATE BUT NOT IT THAT IT'S WITHIN. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          REGULATIONS AND 17. 
          CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLANS. 
          THIS IS NO, IT'S CONSISTENT. 
          IT'S CONSISTENT IN THE CONFERENCE OF WITH LIKE CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY, CHARACTER POTENTIAL, ADDITIONAL DEMAND FOR SCHOOLS, POLICE, FIRE, JUST AS YOU WERE WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          I WAS CONSERVATIVE I THINK. 
          OH, NOPE. 
          ON, THERE'S TWO MORE. 
          NO, YOU PUT THAT DOWN YET. 
          THE INCONSISTENT WITH THE PREDOMINANT ARCHITECTURAL SCALE AND CHARACTER. 
          I DUNNO IF THAT'S TRUE. 
          OTHER OPINIONS ON E IT'S, NO, THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT. 
          NO, WE CAN COME ON. 
          TRUE. 
          WELL HE WAS GOING, WE SHOULD KNOW THAT THE STYLE IS, WE SAW THE, WE HAVE UH, THE RENDERINGS RIGHT OF THE BUILDING. 
          YOU DO WE PRESENT THAT FOR YOU? CAN WE GOT A LANDSCAPING PLAN, RIGHT? WE DO, YES. 
          WE'LL SWITCH THOSE AND CAN WE, JOSH, SEND THE LANDSCAPING PLAN TO THE CAB TO HAVE THEM LOOK AT THE PLAINTIFF PLAN, REVIEW THAT. 
          SO IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO WRAP THIS, GO THROUGH THIS. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          NO SECRET. 
          WE'RE GOOD CHECK. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THEN I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DATE OF DEVELOPMENT TO JULY 19TH. 
          SECOND. 
          IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          MOTION. 
          CARRIE. 
          WHEN? 19TH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SEE EVERYONE IN TWO MONTHS. 
          ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS INDUSTRIAL REZONING RECOMMENDATIONS AND REPORT. 
          SO ANY, WE'VE HAD THIS, WE GOT IT AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          WE, WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF 'EM AND WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE A FEW OF THE ISSUES. 
          I MEAN, BUT THERE WERE STILL, WE WANTED TO THINK ABOUT MORE. 
          YOU COPY OF THE NOTES, RIGHT? IS THAT 
          [02:50:01]
IN THIS FINAL, YOU ALREADY COPY OF THE RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? WHERE WE DO YEAH, YOU GOT A COPY OF ALL THE MAP RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WRITE SOMETHING UP ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WRITE OUR COMMENTS ON THOSE. 
          YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE GOT THAT THOUGH. 
          I DON'T THINK I DID THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THINK I READ THE MEETING THAT'S, I DIDN'T SEE THAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UNDERSTAND HOW THIS GOT, I WORK WITH THE TOWN BOARD. 
          TOWN BOARD DECIDED TO PROCEED WITH IT. 
          BEGIN THE PROCESS. 
          THE FIRST PROCESS IS REFER TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR YOUR COMMENT. 
          THIS ONE IS NOT AS BIG A HURRY AS THE NEXT ONE I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING. 
          BUT BECAUSE THE CAMPER INTERCHANGE, WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT THIS ONE. 
          WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN THE TOWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          AT THE BACK OF THE CONFERENCE PLAN. 
          WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF AREAS THAT WERE CIRCLED AS AREAS THAT AREN'T REALLY CONS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TOWN. 
          ALL THESE AREAS WERE CIRCLED AND IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY GAVE US GENERAL DIRECTION ON WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH THOSE AREAS. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE HOPEFULLY NO-BRAINERS. 
          I DO, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING WE SAID THE NO-BRAINER WAS HOPEFULLY THE, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY HERE. 
          THE, UM, OPERATING ENGINEER'S PROPERTY IS ALL ZONE INDUSTRIAL. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA CHANGE IT BACK TO RA THE OPERATING ENGINEER. 
          IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF AN RA AREA. 
          THE OPERATING ENGINEERS CAN CONTINUE TO USE IT FOREVER, BUT WE DON'T ENVISION IT TURNING INTO AN INDUSTRIAL SITE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO, SO I GUESS TO MAKE IT QUICKER AND SIMPLER. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE GOT ALL THESE RE RESULTING YEAH. 
          UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          ANYBODY FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD TELL THE TOWN BOARD NOT TO DO ANY OF THE ONES THAT DREW PRESENTED TO US? NO, NO, NO. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND BY THE WAY, I'VE SAID TO THE TOWN BOARD WE HAVE, YOU CAN IMAGINE THE MAILINGS FOR THIS. 
          CINDY HAS WORKED ON THIS FOR A MONTH. 
          THERE'S PROBABLY 500 TO A THOUSAND MAILINGS THAT OCCUR AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IF WE GET COMMENTS, THE TOWN BOARD CAN ALWAYS REFER BACK TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU TRY TO ADDRESS THESE COMMENTS? WE WANNA GET IT RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PROPERTY AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEXT TO THE PROPERTY AND SAY, DID WE DO THIS RIGHT? IT IT'S, IT'S NOT AN EASY ONE. 
          SO BY THE WAY, IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU IF WE GET A LOT OF DIFFICULT INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO THANK YOU. 
          TELL THE TOWN BOARD THAT. 
          YES, WE DO. 
          UH, I MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO NOTIFY THE TOWN BOARD THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SIX REZONINGS THAT WERE SENT PROPOSED REZONINGS THAT WERE SENT BACK TO US. 
          IT'S A MOTION BY KAITLYN. 
          SECOND BY I DENNIS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A LS FOLLOWS. 
          UH, SO WHAT WE'VE GOT IS, SO DREW GAVE US A AN APPROXIMATE SCHEDULE ON WHAT'S COMING UP. 
          WE'VE GOT A RESOLUTION ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE DOCKET. 
          MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REALLY TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE THREE PROPOSALS FOR DIFFERENT, UH, CONSULTANTS TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES WE WANTED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT. 
          AND THE TOWN BOARD WANTS US TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT SO THEY CAN VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO HIRE THESE CONSULTANTS AT THEIR MEETING ON MONDAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THESE KINDA LAST MINUTE. 
          UM, SO WE'VE GOT GHD, WHICH WOULD HAS GIVEN US PROPOSAL ON, UH, IMPACT STATEMENTS FOR TRAFFIC NOISE AND STORMWATER STORM. 
          WE GOT EA CONSULTANTS FOR YEAH, AIR ODOR, AIR AND ODOR. 
          NOT REALLY ON AND PLUM. 
          WHAT'S THAT? AND PLUME AND PLUME AIR ODOR AND PLUM. 
          AND WE HAVE WENDELL DOING THE EIS, THE FBIS PREPARE. 
          THE BIG JOB THAT JOSH'S GONNA HAVE IS TAKING ALL THE COMMENTS THAT THEY RECEIVED. 
          UH, UM, IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD RECOMMENDATION FROM KIM THAT WE'RE GONNA NUMBER EVERYONE AND THEN CATEGORIZE THEM SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO GO THROUGH. 
          AND THEN YOUR JOB IS GOING BE THEN TO DETERMINE HOW THESE ARE GONNA BE ADDRESSED IF WE'RE NOT ALREADY ADDRESSING. 
          CAN I, CAN I JUST SUMMARIZE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE ? GO AHEAD. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          YES. 
          SO THIS IS KIM NATHAN, SPECIAL 
          [02:55:01]
COUNSEL FROM THE TOWN, PHILLIPS LATER. 
          UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. 
          SO THE EA UM, PROPOSAL, THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL TO THE TOWN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD. 
          SO THIS IS AN EXPANDED VERSION. 
          SO THE NUMBER THAT THEY'VE GIVEN INCLUDES THE NUMBER THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, BY THE TOWN BOARD. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY, SO IT'S IN ADDITION TO THE NUMBER THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED? NO, IT'S, IT INCLUDES, SO THEY SAY THE NUMBER THAT'S ADDITIONAL, THEN THE TOTAL COST INCLUDES WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, AND THAT'LL BE EXPLAINED TO THE TOWN BOARD ON MONDAY AS WELL. 
          UH, AND THEN GHD HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN, UM, DOING SOME TRAFFIC WORK, BUT THIS IS EXPANDED TO INCLUDE NOISE AND STORMWATER AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN WENDELL'S PROPOSAL IS FOR ADDITIONAL WORK, BUT REALLY OUTSIDE OF SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE COMP PLAN ANALYSIS, UM, THAT KIND OF THING, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON NOW, UM, FOR PURPOSES OF THE TOWN BOARD MEETING ON MONDAY IS THESE EXPERT REPORTS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS. 
          AT YOUR LAST MEETING, YOU SET THAT PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD TO END BY JULY 28TH. 
          AND GIVEN THE NUMBER OF DEFICIENCIES IN THE DEIS AND THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED ON BEHALF OF THE LEAD AGENCY, WE WANTED TO GET THESE, UM, MOVING. 
          AND THESE SCOPES ARE A BIT BROADER THAN WHAT ORIGINALLY BE CONTEMPLATED, GIVEN THAT IT'S NOT JUST ANALYZING THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE DEIS, BUT NOW TAKING IT A BIT FURTHER, EXAMINING THE PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY AND, YOU KNOW, ANALYZING AND SUGGESTING MITIGATION AS NECESSARY TO, UM, ADDRESS ANY POTENTIAL PROJECT IMPACTS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THESE PROPOSALS ARE FOR. 
          UM, AND THAT WHAT THEY INCLUDE, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN CURRENTLY, SO WE'RE ABLE TO RECEIVE LETTERS AND EMAILS ON THIS UNTIL JULY 28TH. 
          UM, IT'S NOT, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AREN'T LIMITED TO JUST COMMENTS AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          UH, I, I JUST, I WANNA SAY THAT AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT MANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S OUT THERE THAT THE COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN. 
          UM, IF SOMEONE SUBMITTED A PRIOR COMMENT LAST TIME AROUND, YOU WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT IT AGAIN IF YOU BELIEVE IT'S RELEVANT TO THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE THE COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ARE JUST COMMENTS THAT ARE GONNA COME IN DURING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. 
          SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO RESUBMIT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO THAT. 
          SOMEONE TALKED, I TOLD JOSH IF HE TAKES A PHONE CALL, ANYBODY STOPS IN, THEY GOTTA PUT IT IN WRITING. 
          YEAH. 
          ANYBODY TALK TO YOU ON THE STREET APPROACHES IT, PUT IT IN WRITING. 
          YES. 
          IT DOESN'T HELP TO VERBALLY TELL YOU OR HIM OR ME. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE IN WRITING. 
          WELL, THEY CAN VERBALLY TELL US AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT OUTSIDE THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE DON'T LEAVE A PHONE MESSAGE OR SOMETHING. 
          PLEASE PUT IT IN WRITING OUTSIDE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND SO THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO PREVIOUSLY AT YOUR LAST MEETING, YOU ISSUED THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHICH AS YOU RECALL, LISTS ALL OF THE DEFICIENCIES IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU ALL HAVE PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED AND ALSO ASKS THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON THOSE. 
          SO NOT JUST THE PROJECT AND THE DEIS, BUT THE DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE LEAD AGENCY ON WHAT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY BE IN THE DOCUMENT. 
          THAT NOTICE OF COMPLETION IS VERY DETAILED. 
          UM, THAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT HAD GONE OUT AS OF MAY 4TH, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, AND NOW TONIGHT, ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE DRAFT NOTICE OF HEARING. 
          SO THE SECRET REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION WHEN YOU'RE ACCEPTING IT, AND THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE TWO PROPOSED DATES ON THERE THAT THE TOWN HAS BEEN ABLE TO SECURE THE AUDITORIUM AT HILBERG COLLEGE. 
          UM, THOSE ARE NOT TYPICAL PLANNING BOARD MEETING DATES. 
          THEY ARE ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS, UH, JUNE 14TH AND JULY 12TH. 
          SO CURRENTLY THE HEARINGS ARE PROPOSED FOR THOSE TWO DATES FROM SIX TO NINE AT HILBERT COLLEGE. 
          SO THAT, UH, NOTICE OF HEARING WILL BE PUBLISHED, UM, IT'S AS SAME AS THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION WAS. 
          IT'LL BE SENT TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, IT WILL BE IN A NEWSPAPER AS WELL. 
          UM, SO PEOPLE WILL START HEARING ABOUT IT MORE AS THAT NOTICE OF HEARING GOES OUT AS WELL. 
          SO YOU MAY SEE A CHANGE IN THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS YOU'RE RECEIVING, UM, BUT WE ARE, THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO FINALIZE THOSE HEARING DATES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE DID, I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR, WE HAVE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM THE PUBLIC DURING OUR EARLIER PUBLIC HEARING TODAY BEFORE YOU ARRIVED ABOUT THE USABILITY AND INTERFACE AND AVAILABILITY OF INFORMATION ON THE CURRENT TOWN WEBSITE. 
          SO THAT IS A COMMENT THAT SHOULD WORK ITS WAY BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD, THAT THERE WAS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THAT. 
          AND ALSO RECEIVE FEEDBACK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY GET THE PAPER ANYMORE. 
          SO THE, I GUESS THAT'S FROM THE TOWN BOARD TO CONSIDER, BUT WE MAY NEED TO CONSIDER SOME ALTERNATE METHODS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING EARLIER TONIGHT WAS THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE UPSET THAT THEY HAD REALLY ONLY JUST FOUND OUT. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOMEONE STAFFING THE PLANNING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S CURRENTLY SOMEBODY IN 
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THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT EVERY DAY BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD LEFT A MESSAGE AT SOME NUMBER MONDAY TURN FOR A COUPLE DAYS, THE NEW PERSON STARTS ON MONDAY. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          PEOPLE BE THERE EIGHT HOURS A DAY. 
          SO IN THE TOWN VIEW WEBSITE IS COMING OUT BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH. 
          AND, AND AS FAR AS THE NOTICE GOES, EVERY YEAR THE TOWN NEEDS A RESOLUTION ON HOW NOTICE IT'S GONNA BE BROADCAST. 
          SO YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT FOR ONE PROJECT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. 
          AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE NEWSPAPER PUBLICATION IS IN THE C REGULATIONS AS WELL. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T PUT IT ON THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK PAGE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS CAN WE PUT IT ON THE TOWN'S FACEBOOK, BUT CAN WE PUT AN ENCOURAGEMENT OUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE HEARING? IF THERE'S A WAY TO HEARING AND ADDITIONAL WAY IT MIGHT, THE DOWN, THEY MAY HAVE DONE IT ALREADY, BUT WE WANT IT ON THE HOMEPAGE, A BANNER TO GET THEM TO SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIG INTO THE WEBSITE. 
          SO THEY WERE GONNA DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THEY, THEY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE ON THE FRONT DESK RIGHT NOW. 
          THE THE REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT, THAT YOU PUT A CONTACT, UM, TO REACH OUT TO FOR ANY INFORMATION WITH AN ADDRESS AND A PHONE NUMBER. 
          IT'S RIGHT, IT'S JOSH RIGHT NOW. 
          IF THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE, UM, THAT SHOULD BE CAPTURED IN THAT DOCUMENT. 
          IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE THAT YOU WANT, UM, TO RECEIVE THE COMMENTS. 
          BUT THAT CURRENTLY IT'S JOSH IN THE DOCUMENT. 
          I THINK WE GOTTA KEEP IT THE SAME. 
          JOSH. 
          YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY BEST AS JOSH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY COME INTO HIS EMAIL ADDRESS, WHICH THE NEW HIRE WILL HAVE ABILITY TO GET. 
          WE LIKE GENERIC TOWN PLANNING BOARD EMAIL ADDRESS. 
          MAYBE THE PEOPLE ARE SENDING COMMENTS IN AND THEN LIKE JOSH AND THE NEW PERSON, I THINK IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE CAN RAISE? IS THAT INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE FOR A LONG TIME IT WAS SARAH, SO THERE ARE PROBABLY STILL SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO SEND SARAH IF YOU DO THAT. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA IF YOU DO THAT. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD SEE THE TOWN TO DO IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND INCLUDE IT IN THIS NOTICE OF HEARING, WHICH NEEDS TO GO OUT RELATIVE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA RIGHT FIX IN TIME FOR THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S A CHANGE THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US. 
          SAME WITH THE ZONING BOARD. 
          SO THE PEOPLE ARE SENDING COMMENTS, EVEN IF THERE'S A STAFFING CHANGE THAT THEY OFFER AND THERE'S THINGS THAT WE COULD DO GOING FORWARD BUT MAKING CHANGES FOR THIS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. 
          YES. 
          WOULD NOT. 
          SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, BUT I THINK THIS, WE GOTTA KIND OF GO FULL SPEED AHEAD BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME TIMEFRAME CONSTRAINTS, BUT I DO EXPECT THERE TO BE CHANGES ON THE WAY INFORMATION IS RECEIVED AND, UH, SENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          AND, AND THAT NOTICE, THAT NOTICE OF HEARING ALSO DOES SPECIFY THAT WRITTEN COMMENTS WILL BE ACCEPTED TO UNTIL CORRECT. 
          I, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION, I GUESS I CAN LOOK IT UP. 
          DID WE CONFIRM THAT THERE AREN'T ANY LIKE SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS OR ANYTHING ON THESE NIGHTS OR SOME OTHER MAJORS MEETINGS? THE NEXT WEEK WE CONFIRMED WITH, UH, HILBERT, SO THIS IS A DONE DEAL. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR THOSE. 
          WHAT? WE GOTTA VOTE WE'LL A DONE DEAL YET. 
          DO WE HAVE A QUORUM FOR THOSE DATES? I GUESS HEAR THAT QUESTION? WE WE'LL, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. 
          YEAH, DON'T GET SICK. 
          RIGHT? I'LL BE OUTTA YOU GONNA BE OUTTA TOWN. 
          SURE. 
          THANKS A LOT. 
          I'M, YEAH, I'M JUST CONFIRMING THIS JUST, I'M JUST MAKING SURE IT'S THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. 
          I KNOW. 
          FAMILY COMMITMENTS. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THESE DATES. 
          SO THEY WERE JUST RECENTLY CONFIRMED BY, I MEAN, WE NEED TWO DAYS BEFORE JULY 28TH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S, UH, THERE DON'T SEEM TO BE TWO BETTER DAYS. 
          WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY IT'D BEEN NICE IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN AHEAD OF TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT SHOULD HAVE CAME HERE FIRST. 
          I, I FEEL THE DATES SHOULD HAVE CAME FROM HERE TO THEM AND THEM TO HILBERT. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED, COMMITTED US TO SOMETHING THAT WE HADN'T BROUGHT UP. 
          WE, SO, SO THE, THE, THERE WAS SOME INPUT AND THE DATES WERE SELECTED BASED ON A WEDNESDAY THAT WAS NOT AN EXISTING PLANNING BOARD MEETING. 
          SO KEEPING THE TRADITIONAL DAY OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, BUT ON AND OFF WE STILL, IT SHOULD NO, I AGREE. 
          AND FRANKLY WE'RE THE PLANNING BOARD AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THIS STUFF SHOULD COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD FIRST. 
          THERE'S OTHER STUFF THAT HAPPENED AND I THINK SO, SO TECHNICALLY BY THE STATUTE, THE CHAIRMAN SETS THE SCHEDULE MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S MY DECISION AND MY DECISION ALONE. 
          AND FOR PURPOSES OF YOU BEING ABLE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT HILBERT COULD ACCEPT THOSE DAYS. 
          AND THAT TOOK A VERY LONG PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO DO. 
          SO. 
          IF WE WOULD'VE WAITED FOR YOU TO APPROVE THE DAYS TONIGHT, WE MAY HAVE NOT HAD SUFFICIENT TIME TO APPROVE IT. 
          HIL WILL WE HAVE HAD TO APPROVE IT AT A MEETING OR ? THIS HAS TO BE PASSED TONIGHT. 
          YEAH, NO, BUT I'M SAYING IS COULD YOU HAVE EMAILED US AND SAID THESE ARE THE DATES THAT WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY VOTE ON 
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TO GIVE US A HEADS UP. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. 
          THE HEADS UP. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, LIKE, I COULD HAVE ON LIKE MONDAY, SO IT WASN'T MUCH OF A, I MEAN I, I GUESS I COULD HAVE GIVEN LIKE WE GOT PICKED OUT TODAY MM-HMM . 
          SO I COULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A FEW DAYS MORE NOTICE, BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS HAVING BOTH OF THEM ON THE SAME END OF THE WEEK, AND I REALIZE WE'RE LOCKED IN NOW, IS THAT IF PEOPLE WILL HAVE A, THAT'S THEIR STANDARD WORK TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REPEATED IT INSTEAD THEY'RE PROVIDING TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO PEOPLE. 
          ONLY BE A LOT OF METHODS FOR PROVIDING COMMENT, RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT VERY, THERE'S STILL, STILL WRITTEN COMMENTS MM-HMM  FROM ANYBODY AND IF WE MOVED OFF OF A WEDNESDAY, YOU KNOW, MY SCHEDULE, THAT MAKES IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. 
          I ASSUME THE SAME WOULD BE FOR A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. 
          YOU KNOW, WEDNESDAYS ARE PLANNING BOARD DAYS, SO WE WON WEDNESDAYS. 
          I USUALLY NETWORK DO FOUR. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE CONSULTANTS, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE A RESOLUTION TO THE TOWN BOARD RECOMMENDING THAT THEY ACCEPT THESE PROPOSALS AND HIRE THESE CONSULTANTS. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE IT MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT. 
          NO, I DON'T THINK THERE IS A RESOLUTION. 
          YOU HAVE A RE WHERE AM I MISSING IT? IS THAT THIS? I'VE GOT THIS. 
          IS THAT IN THIS? NO, NO, IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL RE IT'S AN ADDITIONAL, I DON'T SEE AN RESOLUTION. 
          YOU CAN JUST MAKE A, YOU KNOW, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT I'VE GOT TWO COPIES OF THAT AND TWO COPIES OF THIS. 
          SO MAYBE I DIDN'T HAVE THAT ONE. 
          I MEAN I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND. 
          YEAH, WE PROBABLY SHOULD READ THE ONE. 
          IT'S A ONE PAGER. 
          I WAS GONNA HAVE TO BE THAT LONG. 
          DO YOU WANNA READ IT? THANK YOU. 
          WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM AL ASH ASPHALT CORPORATION, AL ASPHALT OR APPLICANT IN JUNE, 2019 FOR THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A HAW MIX ASPHALT PROJECT OR PLANT AND RELATED ACCESSORY USES AT 5 6 9 0 CAMP ROAD IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TOWN. 
          AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD IS LEAD AGENCY IN A COORDINATED REVIEW OF THE PROJECT UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER RECEIVED A REVISED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT PREPARED BY THE APPLICANT DATED APRIL 5TH, 2023, DEIS. 
          AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.9 OF THE SEEKER RECOGNITIONS BY RE BY RESOLUTION ADOPTED AT ITS MAY 3RD, 2023 MEETING THE PLANNING BOARD DETERMINED TO ACCEPT THE DEIS FOR PUBLIC REVIEW SUBJECT TO THE LISTED DEFICIENCIES AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN THE PLANNING BOARD'S RESOLUTION DATED MAY 3RD, 2023, AND THEN NOTICE OF COMPLETION ATTACHED THERE TOO. 
          AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD NOW REQUIRES THE ASSISTANCE OF CERTAIN CONSULTANTS AND EXPERTS AS IDENTIFIED AND DESCRIBED MORE FULLY IN THE ATTACHED PROPOSALS FOR SERVICES TO BE RENDERED BY WENDELL COMPANIES EA, ENGINEERING, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, INC. 
          PBC AND GHD ENGINEERING PROPOSALS TO AID THE PLANNING BOARD WITH ITS RESPONSIBILITIES AS LEAD AGENCY UNDER SECTION 6 1 7 0.9, SUBSECTION B, SUBSECTION EIGHT TO PREPARE RESPONSES TO ALL SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS RECEIVED DURING PUBLIC REVIEW OF THE DEIS AND TO OTHERWISE ENSURE ADEQUACY AND ACCURACY IN THE PREPARATION OF THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT FOR THE PROJECT AND TO PREPARE SEEKER FINDINGS PURSUANT TO SECTION 6 1 7 0.1 AND OTHERWISE PREPARE FILE, PUBLISH AND DISTRIBUTE DOCUMENTS AND NOTICES CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 6 1 7 0.12 TO COMPLETE THE SECRET PROCESS AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE PLANNING BOARD REQUESTS AND RECOMMENDS THAT AT ITS MAY 22ND, 2023, MEETING THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE THE RETENTION OF SERVICES AND CONSULTANTS AS DESCRIBED IN THE PROPOSALS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY JEB SECOND 
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BY, AND DAN ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? NONE. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION CHAIR. 
          I THINK WE HAVE AN ABSTENTION IN ONE ABSTENTION. 
          SHE'S, SHE'S JUST VOTING ON NO. 
          ON THE CONSULTANTS. 
          NO, YOU CAN'T VOTE. 
          SHE COULDN'T. 
          NEVERMIND WHAT I MEAN, WHAT SHE CAN SHE NOT VOTING? SHE'S VOTING ON THE CONSULTANTS JUST LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE COULDN'T VOTE ON, BUT THEN SHE, SHE COULD DECIDE WHAT SHE VOTES ON. 
          WHAT? SHE DOESN'T GOT IT. 
          I'M I I'M NOT, NO, I, I, YOU KNOW, DON'T GET SO SNIPPY. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I ASKED YOU QUESTION LIKE 22. 
          WE'VE BEEN THROUGH IT WITH MARGO WHAT SHE'S GONNA VOTE ON WHEN SHE'S NOT ALREADY AND IT'S ALREADY ASSIGNED SO WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP BEATING IT WITH IT. 
          READY? SO THAT WAS A REALLY LONG RESOLUTION. 
          DO WE ALSO APPROVE THE NOTICE IN THAT OR JUST THE CONSULTANTS? JUST THE CONSULTANTS. 
          JUST THE CONSULTANTS. 
          YEP. 
          MOTION HEARING. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE DON'T NEED TO READ THIS TO DO IT. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, WE RECEIVED YOUR MOTION, EXCUSE ME, SORRY, WOULD BE TO, UH, PICK, ACCEPT THAT RIGHT, PUBLISH. 
          SO TODAY WE RECEIVED A DRAFT FOR REVIEW OF THE NOTICE OF SEEKER HEARINGS REGARDING HOT MIX, ASPHALT PLANT DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. 
          UH, JUST TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS IN THIS, I GUESS SPECIFICALLY BEING THE SCHEDULE. 
          SO THIS NOTICE WOULD BE THAT THE SECRET HEARINGS WOULD BE HELD AT THE HILBERT COLLEGE SWAN AUDITORIUM FROM 6:00 PM TO 9:00 PM ON JUNE 14TH, 2023 IN JULY 12TH, 2023. 
          SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS NOTICE OF SEEKER HEARINGS REGARDING HOPS ASPHALT PLANT DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT SAYS A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY SECOND. 
          CAITLIN, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ABSTAINING. 
          AB ONE ABSTENTION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MARGO EXTENSIONS. 
          I MEAN I WOULD THINK I COULD VOTE RECUSE I ON THIS ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S PURELY PROCEDURE OWN. 
          IT'S ABOUT MY OWN PERSONAL TIME AND IT'S NOT ABOUT CONTENT YOU'VE ALL ALREADY DECIDED, BUT I CAN ALSO REC REFUSE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WHICH DID YOU DECIDE TO DO? UM, I WILL ABSTAIN. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THAT WOULD BE FIVE IN FAVOR? TWO. 
          ABSTENTIONS. 
          CAN I ASK A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS FOLLOWING UP ON THIS? SURE. 
          DO WE HAVE A COURT REPORTER OR SOME OTHER SORT OF WE WILL, YES. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE FOR BOTH THESE MEETINGS THAT'S BEING HERE. 
          IT BE ONE OTHER ITEM TOO. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU TYPICALLY LIVE STREAM YOUR MEETINGS. 
          UM, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, WE ARE GONNA DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE MAY WANT TO INCLUDE THAT. 
          I ALREADY REACHED OUT TO IT AND I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A RESPONSE YET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'LL FOLLOW UP FIRST. 
          SOME OF THIS STUFF THAT ISN'T LEGAL, I MEAN ALSO DOES THIS HAVE TO ALL LEAD JEN DOING ALL OF THIS ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF OR IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE OR SOME OTHER WAY WE CAN DO THIS? LIKE REACHING OUT TO IT AND DOING SOME OF THAT STUFF. 
          YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME OF THIS SOLUTION INFORMATION WITH THE PLANNER COMING ON BOARD? THEN WE CAN DO THAT TO PROBABLY ENGAGEMENT IN THE, JEN ACTUALLY HASN'T BEEN DOING MOST OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF, IT'S BEEN SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          SO, BUT I'M SURE I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN. 
          AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST SAY IS I REALIZE THAT THERE WERE SOME TIME CONSTRAINTS HERE, BUT IF WE CAN PLEASE GET ANY MATERIALS THIS BOARD NEEDS TO LOOK AT, LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT CAME IN REALLY LATE TODAY, SO GOING FORWARD IF WE CAN GET STUFF LIKE THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTS TO REVIEW, THERE'S JUST NOT, WE WANNA DO OUR JOB AND DO IT WELL. 
          SO IF WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE TO GET SOME STUFF EARLIER THAT WOULD BE REALLY APPRECIATED. 
          NO PROBLEM HERE. 
          I MEAN THESE ARE REALLY RELATED TO FINAL PROPOSALS COMING IN TODAY AND SECURING HILBERT LAST. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA BILL. 
          I JUST WANT TO HAND SOMETHING OUT FOR NEXT MEETING SO YOU'RE PREPARED FOR IT. 
          ALRIGHT, UM, WE HAVE TO GO QUICKLY ON THIS. 
          AS YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE THROUGHWAY AUTHORITY IS GOING TO BE SELLING THE PROPERTY ACROSS FROM THE CAMP ROAD EXIT, THE ONE WHERE THE CLOVER LEAF USED TO BE. 
          AND THAT PROPERTY IS UN ZONE TOWN CREATED PREVIOUSLY WITH YOUR INPUT, A CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE DISTRICT. 
          NOW WE HAVE TO REZONE PROPERTY. 
          SO YOU HAVE A MAP AND A COPY OF THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED. 
          THE ONE THAT IS THE CA WHERE 
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THE OLD  HAS TO BE REZONED. 
          THE OTHER ONES ARE ONES WE'VE TRIED TO TALK TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND COME UP WITH THE BEST PLAN. 
          SO WE'LL NEED YOUR INPUT AND RECOMMENDATION ON THIS BEFORE WE PROCEED THROUGH FULL APPROVALS AND APPROVAL PROCESSES HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR YOUR INPUT. 
          UM, AND THIS IS ON NEXT AGENDA. 
          I HAD JOSH PLACE IT ON YOUR, DO YOU WANT YOU WANT IT BEFORE OR AFTER? I DO NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JEB WANTS THE, THE FLOOR FOR A SECOND FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          UM, YEAH, FOR THOSE, UH, FOR THOSE PARTY SOULS WHO ARE STILL WATCHING AND ALSO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE MINUTES, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, DUE TO, UH, A CHANGE IN MY, WE STILL HAVE A MEETING. 
          WHAT'S GOING ON? NO, SORRY. 
          THEY RUINED YOUR, UH, DUE TO A, DUE TO A CHANGE IN MY PROFESSIONAL SITUATION, NAMELY, I'M TAKING A DIFFERENT JOB, UM, DIFFERENT FULL-TIME JOB. 
          UM, I HAVE TO STEP BACK FROM THIS PUBLIC FACING ROLE AND, UM, AND I WANTED TO THANK THE, MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD, UM, FOR BEING SUCH, UM, HARDWORKING AND THOUGHTFUL AND, UH, PROFESSIONAL BOARD MEMBERS. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE. 
          AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE TOWN BOARD FOR NOMINATING AND CONFIRMING ME, UM, APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. 
          AND, UM, AND, UH, AND I, YEAH, AND I JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, I WANTED TO REITERATE SOMETHING THAT I THINK I HAVE SAID A NUMBER OF TIMES, WHICH IS THAT HAMBURG IS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE AND IT'S ONLY WONDERFUL BECAUSE PEOPLE INVEST TIME AND ENERGY IN, UM, IN SHAPING THE SPACES THAT WE LIVE IN, UH, AND BUILDING THE COMMUNITY THAT WE LIVE IN. 
          AND SO I'M GONNA BE INVOLVED JUST NOT FROM THIS SEAT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EXCUSE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, MAKE A WELL. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EDITS? THE MINUTES BEFORE I MAKE SOMEONE SAY I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 3RD, 2023 MEETING AS TYPED SECOND. 
          IT'S A MOTION BY KAYLYN. 
          SECOND BY DAN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          Y'ALL AGREE? YEAH. 
          SAY THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOTION BY J TO AJU. 
          SECOND BY MARGO. 
          ALL IN FAVOR.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.