* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:36] OH, THEY, YES. I DON'T THINK YOU CONSTRUCTED LAST TIME I LOOKED AT IT, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE, SO I OH, OKAY. OKAY. I THINK THE THING WITH STARTS THE ACTUAL AND ALVAS REOPENING FROM RIGHT. YOU KNOW HOW MANY MORE? HE'S A GOOD GUY. THIS JENNIFER. HI . I DUNNO, I MIGHT HAVE TO STICK. NICE TO MEET YOU. IN PERSON. IN PERSON, OF COURSE. YEAH. SINCE I'M UP. SO, HI, I'M KATELIN SHAM. HI. NICE TO MEET YOU. I, I, I DOWNVOTED HAVING ANOTHER PERSON WITH THE SAME NAME. ACTUALLY, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SPELLED THE SAME WAY AS WELL. . YEAH. I, I DID PROVIDE A DOWN VOTE ON THAT FRONT AND THE, UH, LAST NAME HAS THE SAME INITIAL AT THE BEGINNING. ALSO M SO ALSO THE NEW, WHICH IS C, SO, OKAY. LET'S JUST DO IT THAT WAY. , IT FEELS SO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, . BUT, AND, AND LISA IS OUR NEW ASSISTANT PLANNER. YOU WERE WATER. DID YOU HEAR WATERKEEPERS AT YOU? YES, I DID. OKAY. YES I DID. I WAS THEIR, UM, UNDERGRADUATE. OKAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT, LET'S GET STARTED. NO, NOT YET. ARE WE ON FACEBOOK? YOU SIX 30? YEAH. WELL, YEAH, AFTER SIX 30. IT'S TAKING MY TIME. GETTING STARTED TODAY, SO, ALRIGHT, FINISH ME. UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS PAT TO CHRISTOPHER REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION. BE LOCATED AT 1 8 1 4 NORTH CREEK ROAD. DO YOU? YEP. COME ON UP PLEASE. ALRIGHT, SO IT'S KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHAT YOU WANNA DO. RIGHT? HERE'S THE, UH, LARGER SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT. ORIGINALLY IT'S EIGHT, UH, 8.59 ACRES. UM, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GONNA TAKE A ONE, UH, ACRE PARCEL AND I SUBMITTED THAT, UH, SURVEY TO YOU OF THE ONE ACRE PARCEL. IT'S ON NORTH CREEK ROAD. UM, AND THAT'S ALL I GOT. AND THIS, IT'S NOT, WHAT'S THE FRONTAGE ON THE ONE ACRE PARCEL? UH, THE FRONTAGE I BELIEVE WAS THE ONE 60. THAT'S, SO IT'S RA, RIGHT? JOSH? YEAH. R ONE. R ONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT THEN SIGNED OFF ON IT. 10. GO WITH IT. DECIDED. ALRIGHT, SO NO VARIANCES? NO, IT'S REAL CLEAN CUT. IT'S JUST ONE ACRE SQUARE AND, AND BOTH LOTS HAVE ACCESS TO THE ROAD. YEP. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? STRAIGHT FORWARD. UM, WHAT MORE INFORMATION DO WE NEED FOR THIS TO BE FINALIZED? UM, THERE, WHAT'S THAT? ALRIGHT, SO WE, BUT, BUT WE GOT EVERYTHING WE NEED FROM THE YEP. JUST MADE EVERYTHING UP. ALRIGHT, SO THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON WHAT'S THE SECOND MEETING OF JULY? JULY 19TH. JULY 19TH. HOW MANY THINGS WE GOT ON THAT? WE ONLY ONE MEETING IN JULY, RIGHT? YOU CANCELED THE OTHER ONE. RIGHT? SO [00:05:01] I GUESS THE MEETING IN JULY RIGHT NOW, JULY 19TH, WE HAVE ONLY TWO ITEMS. ONLY TWO ITEMS. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR PAT DE CHRISTOPHER ON JULY 19TH. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CARE. THANK YOU PAUL BEANS. THANK YOU. SEE YOU IN, UH, SEE IN JULY, JULY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BLOCKBUSTER COSTUMES. LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR A PROPOSAL TO REUS THE VACANT BUILDING AT 3 7 0 1 MCKINLEY PARKWAY FOR A HALLOWEEN AND PARTY GOODS STORE. SO COME ON UP. UM, SO THIS IS THE MCKINLEY MALL WHERE THEY HAD THE D***S. WE'VE HAD A FEW DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE INTERIOR STORAGE NEVER HAPPENED. RIGHT? THAT WAS THE LAST ONE WE HAD IN FRONT OF US AT THIS LOCATION, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE NOW. SO, JUST CONFIRM IT WASN'T ANY CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE MOVE. NOPE. WHAT DO YOU UH, I, I'LL HAVE TO PUT SIGN UP. OKAY. RIGHT OUTSIDE. THAT WAS MY NEXT ONE. WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH SIGN? YEAH. UM, SO WHERE WOULD THE SIGN GO? UH, THERE'S A PORTION OF THE BUILDING SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SIGN WHERE THE D SIGN WAS. SO WE PUT THE SIGN THE SAME, PLEASE. IS IT A LIT SIGN? UH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DESIGNED OR, OR CREATED YET. UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE IT BEING A LIT SIGN. UM, SO I WOULD IMAGINE JUST A, UM, SOME KIND OF PRINTED SIGN. OKAY. I DO YOU KNOW IF WHEN THAT IT IS THAT STORAGE LAST PROJECT THAT CAME AT THIS LOCATION, IF WE DID A SITE PLAN WAIVER ON THAT ONE? OR DID WE THAT FAR? OKAY. THE LAST ONE, RIGHT? THOUGHT I THINK IT ONLY CAME FROM A WORK SESSION, RIGHT? SO THEN WE WOULD'VE WAIVED IT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CHANGE OUTSIDE. I HOPE WE WENT TO LIKE A SITE PLAN WAIVER BECAUSE OF LIKE IT WAS ALL INTERIOR. DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? WELL, I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING A SECOND PLAN, BUT ASSUMING THIS IS ALL INTERIOR EXCEPT FOR ANY CHANGING TO THE PARKING LOT DRIVEWAY STRIPING? NO. SO, UH, WE'VE REPAINTED THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE, UH, PARKING SPACES. 'CAUSE THOSE LINES WERE VERY FAINT. UM, I DO PLAN TO THE EXISTING LINES OVER THE EXISTING LINES. YEAH. AND THEN I, I PLAN TO, UH, REPAINT THE ONES, UH, DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THE WEST SIDE AS WELL. UH, BUT I ACTUALLY WANNA SEAL THE DRIVEWAY THERE FIRST. UM, SO WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET, BUT I, I PLAN TO SEAL AND REPAINT THOSE EXISTING LINES AS WELL. KEEPING THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS AND SAME NUMBER OF, UH, ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPOTS. AND THEN THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOT, UH, TO THE NORTH, UH, WEST TOWARDS THE EASTPORT BUILDING. UM, THEY SEEM TO HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING THAT LOT EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON MY SURVEY. UH, SO, UH, WE WILL EVENTUALLY REPAINT THOSE LOTS. UH, I'M NOT SURE IF IT NEEDS TO BE SEALED OR NOT, BUT THAT, THAT IS THE EXTENT OF IT. ALRIGHT, WELL WE, WE MAKE THE LAST PERSON DO THE SITE PLAN. WE LET 'EM DO A WAIVER AND WE'LL SEE WHY WE SHOULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT HERE. RIGHT. IT'S THE SAME USE. ALRIGHT. RIGHT, I SEE. SO IT'S EVEN CLOSER TO THE EXISTING USE. YEAH. SO, UM, WE'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO DO A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR BLOCKBUSTER COSTUMES. LLC SECOND. THAT A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY DENNIS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE US AGAIN. ALL GOING TOO FAST HERE. 20 MORE MINUTES. . UH, NEXT ITEM IS REVIVE WESLEYAN CHURCH REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION. BE LOCATED AT 5 1 3 3 BAYVIEW ROAD. SO THIS IS YOU, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A HOUSE ON THE OVERALL LOT YOU WANNA SUBDIVIDED OFF SO YOU COULD SELL THE HOUSE, RIGHT? CORRECT. RIGHT. UM, SO A FEW YEARS AGO WE HAD A PROJECT, UM, CELL TOWER AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TALKED ABOUT, UH, A HOUSE THAT WASN'T REALLY WELL MAINTAINED ON THAT PROPERTY. IS THAT THIS HOUSE? IT IS. OKAY. SO PRESUMABLY SELLING IT TO A DIFFERENT OWNER RELINQUISH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DOING THAT FOR YOU GUYS, RIGHT? CORRECT. ALRIGHT. WHAT'S GONNA BEGIN? MAIN PLAN, CHECK LINE, THE REMAIN. SO IT'S, IT'S PART OF, UH, ROUGHLY 75 ACRES. OKAY. THERE'S NO PLAN FOR THE REMAINDER. 74 ACRES AT THIS TIME. IS THE CHURCH ON THAT? YES. SO THE CHURCH AND THE THE CHURCH. SEVERAL OTHER SURE. YOU GOT EVERYTHING ON THAT SIDE OF THAT MOTION? YES. THE MOST OF IT, MOST OF IT'S, MOST OF IT'S UNDEVELOPED. SO THE, THE REMAINING [00:10:01] 74 ACRES INCLUDE THE CHURCH, FOUR OTHER HOMES, UH, AND SOME FARMLAND. SO I, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE IS WATER AND SEWER OBVIOUSLY TO THE CHURCHILL, NORTH ARIZONA HOMES AND THE CELL TOWER EVER GO IN? YES. SO THAT'S ON THERE. THOSE REMAINING 74 ACRES ACRES, CORRECT? YES. ON, ALRIGHT, SO SAME THING. BE A SUBDIVISION, NO MAJOR CHANGES. RIGHT? NOT EVEN NEW BUILDING BECAUSE BUILDING AND IT'S GOT AN EXISTING CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY AND EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST ONE THAT'S NOT, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. WE GO BACK THERE TO SELL. THERE IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY, STONE DRIVEWAY. IT'S JUST THIS HOUSE. SO WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU SUBDIVIDING IT. WHAT? JUST THIS LOT. MAKE SURE. YEP, THAT'D BE GREAT. SO THIS IS THE ENTIRE 75 ACRES. AND AGAIN, IT'S APPROXIMATE. YEP. THESE GREEN.GREEN DOTTED AREA HERE IS THE ONE ACRE PORTION. I SEE. SO IT JUST NOTCHING OUT THE EXISTING PARCEL. CORRECT? CORRECT. JOSH, DID YOU CHECK, IS THAT CAUSE ANY NONCONFORMING USE ISSUES? ONE ACRE, PLENTY OF SPACE. PLENTY OF DENNIS. UH, THAT BY 10 BEFORE WE SENT IT TO YOU GUYS. GREAT. A OR THE GREEN DOTS ARE CORRECT. SOME ALINE. YES. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER INFORMATION? WE THINK WE R ONE, RIGHT? SO SAME AS UH, PAT DE CHRISTOPHER. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR REVIVE WESLEYAN CHURCH ON JULY 19TH. SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY DAN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. SO WE'LL SEE JULY. THANK YOU. CAN'T WAIT TILL WE GO TO SEPTEMBER AND I CAN USUALLY SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER. ALRIGHT. THERE'S DEFINITELY A SPLIT IN THE RESPECT. OH MY GOSH. OKAY. I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAY IT TONIGHT. NO, I DON'T THINK SO. BUT MAYBE IN TWO WEEKS. DIFFERENCE. CALL NEW PEOPLE. GER. DON'T THINK SO. THE HEART OF THE MILLENNIALS. NOT THAT MUCH. YOU, YOU'RE LIKE GEN Z RIGHT AFTER AFTER MILLENNIALS, THE CHILDREN, UH, IN BETWEEN MILLENNIALS. SO DENNIS, THE CONFIRMATION DENNIS SAID THAT WE CAN'T GO FRESH, HE TO TAKE THE SMOKE OUT. [00:15:05] SO I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IGNORED BECAUSE I DID ASK THAT. I'M LIKE, YEAH, BUT I'LL, I'LL LOOK MY NEIGHBORS TELL THE SO I'LL EVEN, I DID ASK THAT. I, YOU MIGHT EVEN WANNA ADD IT TONIGHT WHEN YOU REMIND AND THEN, YEAH. YOU MEAN LIKE THAT NIGHT OR? YEAH. LIKE YOUR FIRM. EXACTLY. SO MY FIRM COGNITIVE, IT'S A BIG ENOUGH CONTRACT THAT I MEETING PHYSICAL HERE IN TOWN HALL USUALLY GOT ONE I A DESK UPSTAIRS, WHICH ACTUALLY, SO WHEN I'M NOT HERE, YES, ACTUALLY, UM, IT, THERE WAS A TIME WE WERE ABOUT NOW WE'RE PROBABLY LEFT BELOW AND THEN LEFT. SO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE OFFICE. BUT THEY COUNT THAT I SPENT HERE STATES, BECAUSE I HAVE WEST DOWNTOWN LEAVE TODAY. I AT WORK UNTIL LIKE SIX. AND I WAS LIKE, I THEN I ACTUALLY GO GET THIS BAG, DO ALL THIS. MY HUSBAND'S BEEN TRAINED SO HE LEFT ALL DAY. SO I HAD TO GET MY DAUGHTER, GET MY MOTHER-IN-LAW AND MY DAUGHTER WATCH HER. SO MEETINGS ARE CANCELED. AND WHAT LEGISLATURE? NO, NO. WEEK ONLY THE JULY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE, THOSE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, I AT ONE POINT PERSON, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REMEMBER OUTSIDE OF THAT. YEAH, I GOT THAT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT, IT'S LIKE THE 13 I'VE BEEN LANGUAGE. I COULDN'T HEAR THAT. LIKE THERE'S, I THOUGHT THAT, YEAH. [00:20:01] TURNS OUT DOESN'T MATTER. I GOT AN ONE TODAY. DO LIKE AND TD ACCESS TO PARK. THAT LOOKS LIKE HERE. YEAH. HEARING COMPENSATION. OH NO. THAT'S WHY THIS SALARY IS SO HIGH. I KNOW MY BOYFRIEND STILL WORKER COMP DEFENSE. SO YEAH, THAT'S . BUT I'VE BEEN, EVERY TIME I GET ON THE FIRST ONE IS LIKE HEARING UH, DISABILITY TOPIC. I FEEL THEY JUST GET THAT LIKE SIX. I'M GETTING JUST SO NOW I YEAH, IT'S BEEN, I'M HAPPY. DON'T EXPECT THAT. YEAH. THAT'S MY JOB. OH, OKAY. BLOCKS THERE. NO WAIVER TO MEET YOU. NICE TO MEET YOU. SO, AND IN THE END YOU CAN LEGITIMATELY SAY, WELL THERE'S THE LICENSE PROFESSIONALS TO NEW YORK STATE SIGNING. THEREFORE WE CANNOT LIKE EVERY DETAIL BECAUSE IF THEY, I'M NOT IT THE, YEAH, LIKE WE, OUR COMPANY HAS HAVE A NEW YORK STATE LIKE CONSULTING ENGINEER IN ADDITION LICENSE THAT WAY. CREDIT STRINGER BUSINESS SIMILAR TO THAT BUSINESS AT AS A WHATEVER LAW FIRM, ENGINEERING FIRM OR SOMETHING. IT'S LIKE THEY CAN YOU UP AS A GO ME A FACT THAT SERVICES, I ASSUME IT'S NOT ME. [00:25:01] DEFINITELY I YOU'RE SAYING BILL AND I ARE TALKING. SOMEBODY DID, BILL AND I WERE TALKING, TALKING OVER THE YEARS. OH, AT OUR TALKING POINTS. YEAH. OH, I'M CERTAIN OF YEARS OR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WORDS PER YEAR. MINUTES. MINUTES, YEAH. DEFINITELY WASTING SO MANY OF THEM STUFF THAT HEAR ALL SOMEBODY WHO WAS TRYING TO GOLF SUPPORT'S END UP BEING THE RIGHT TYPE OF PROJECT PROGRAM. WE AT THE NO, THIS WAS SPECIFIC FOR A COUPLE AN EMAIL SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'M MAYBE I'D LIKE, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO PROBABLY DOWNTOWN I'LL I LIKE ONE FOUR. YEAH, MY WAS LIKE, LIKE COMING. SO MY WIFE WORKED IN CITY HALL AND BASICALLY THE YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT HAVE IN. RIGHT. AND SO THE WIND BLOWING, HE SAID IT BLOWS RIGHT THROUGH THOUGH. THANKS. SAID YES THAT WHEN I GET, CALL ME BACK. I GOT ALL THESE BENCH, USE IT. ALRIGHT. UH, WELCOME TO THE JUNE 7TH MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD. EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE, [00:30:01] FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY HAS GOT PUT TWO WORKING ARMS. ALRIGHT, SO THE FIRST ITEM, THE AGENDA, UH, VENDORS IN DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN. APPROVAL OF, UH, 802 554 SQUARE FOOT. BUILT FIVE BUILDING WAREHOUSE PARK TO BE LOCATED AT 5 2 2 0 CAMP ROAD. THE APPLICANT FOR THAT PROJECT, IT HAS TO BE TABLED. SO WE WON'T BE DISCUSSING THAT ONE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WAS HERE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT IT WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED TODAY. SO ONTO NUMBER TWO, UH, BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN. APPROVAL FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH IN MCKINLEY COMMONS FOR A CRUMBLE COOKIE AT 4 0 1 5 4 MCKINLEY PARKWAY MEETING THE CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MATTHEW OATS WITH BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY FOR THIS PROJECT. AT THE LAST MEETING, A COUPLE OF UPDATES WERE REQUESTED TO THE SITE PLAN AND ALSO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WAS REQUESTED IN REGARDS TO THE PARKING WHERE THE SITE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SCROLLING UP. SO THIS WAS THE PLAN WE PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT PLAN, THIS IS THE UPDATES. WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE THREE CONCRETE POTS, UM, CALLED OUT IN THE LANDSCAPING AREA NEXT TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH TO ELIMINATE ANYONE BEING ABLE TO PARK IN THAT AREA. WE ALSO HAVE THE TWO ADDITIONAL CROSSWALK AREAS ADDED IN AS WELL. ONE COMING ACROSS THE FRONT DRIVE LANE AND THEN ONE ON THE SIDE AS WELL. IN ADDITION, UM, IF YOU GO TO THE FIFTH SLIDE ACTUALLY, OR NO, SORRY, THE FOURTH ONE FOR THE PARKING. WHAT WE DID WAS WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT TO THE SITE, WE COUNTED THE SITE ON A THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. FOR THURSDAY AND FRIDAY WE DID FROM NOON TO THREE, FIVE TO SEVEN. ON SATURDAY WE DID NOON TO THREE. WHAT WE FOUND THAT THE MAXIMUM DEMAND AT THE SITE FOR ALL THOSE TIMES WAS 81 CARS THAT OCCURRED AT THE 5:00 PM HOUR ON A THURSDAY. UM, AFTER CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S GONNA BE A TOTAL OF 189 CARS ON THE SITE. THE CRUMBLE COOKIE, UM, WILL REQUIRE 14 SPACES AT A ONE TO 101 SPACE PER 150 SQUARE FOOT. SO THAT STILL WE REQUIRES 95 SPACES WITH 189 SPACES ON SITE. SO THERE IS PLENTY OF PARKING ON THERE. WHAT WE DID DO IS ALSO, WE DIVIDED THE SITE ACTUALLY INTO THREE SEPARATE ZONES. ONE, THE CITY MATTRESS TWO, THE SMALL SECTION IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS WHERE THE DRIVE-THROUGH WAS GOING. AND THEN THE THIRD FOR THE OTHER BUILDING, JUST TO SHOW YOU SPECIFICALLY HOW THE NUMBERS BROKE OUT, WHAT IT ALSO SHOWED IN THE MIDDLE, THERE WAS GENERALLY, I WANNA SAY LIKE THREE TO SIX CARS EVER IN THERE. SO THERE'S STILL SUFFICIENT PARKING IN THAT AREA. SO OVERALL, I THINK WE HAVE ADDRESSED THE COMMENTS THAT THE BOARD HAS. I DO BELIEVE THE SITE HAS PLENTY OF PARKING, UM, FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS. YES, I I, I WAS CONFUSED NOW. I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST STRICTLY DRIVETHROUGH, BUT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION. IT WAS STRICTLY A DRIVE-THROUGH THAT THERE WAS NO INSIDE. BUT THEN AT THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT SEATING INSIDE AND PEOPLE GOING INSIDE. THERE IS A, SO COOKIE CRUMBLE O OPERATES AS, AS CALL IT A RESTAURANT OR, OR A BAKERY PROBABLY FOR A BETTER USE. SO YOU CAN WALK INSIDE AND RECEIVE COOKIES OR YOU CAN GET 'EM AT THE DRIVE-THRU. SO THERE IS AN INSIDE 10 SPACE THAT USES THAT EXISTING BACON SPOT. AND THEN ALSO JUST TO LET THE BOARD KNOW, THERE ARE A TOTAL OF TWO VACANCIES. THERE'S ONE SMALL VACANCY ALL THE WAY ON THE ONE END CAP DOWN BY THE T-MOBILE. AND THERE IS ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SPACE, KIND OF ON THE END CAP OF THE CITY MATTRESS. THERE ABOUT A TOTAL OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. SO EVEN AT LIKE ONE SPACE PER 200, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF LIKE 30 TO 40 MORE PARKING SPACES. SO THERE'S STILL MORE THAN SUFFICIENT BUFFER FOR ANY ADDITIONAL USES AT THAT SITE. HOW MUCH, UM, WHEN YOU DO THE PARKING COUNTS, HOW MUCH ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY, OR PEOPLE USING THE SPACE? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP? THE MAP, THE BEHIND. UH, I THOUGHT THAT ONE THE OTHER WAY. THE FULL, THAT ONE. ARE THOSE SPOTS ACTUALLY BEHIND THE BUILDING BEING USED BY STAFF AND TENANTS IN THOSE RETAIL SPACE OR UNUSED PARKING SPACES? WE SPECIFICALLY DIDN'T KNOW THEY'RE USED. I ACTUALLY DROVE BY THERE MYSELF TONIGHT. I WANNA SAY THERE WAS LIKE SIX CARS IN THE BACK IN THAT AREA. THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THE COUNT AS WELL? YES. BUT THAT WAS, WE WERE ACTUALLY ACTIVELY USING MILL WHO WERE ACTIVELY ARE ACTIVELY USING THAT. YEP. I'M ASSUMING IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE MAYBE MANAGERS OR SOMEONE COMING IN AND JUST USING THE BACK DOORS TO GET INTO THE PEN SPACE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHAT ARE THEY EXPECTED? PEAK HOURS? UM, CRUMBLES PEAK HOURS ARE, ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE SOMETIME AROUND LIKE THE LUNCH HOUR, LIKE PROBABLY FROM LIKE A 1230 TO TO TWO 30, THEN PROBABLY IN THE EVENING. AND THEN SATURDAY I WOULD PROBABLY SAY IT MIGHT BE MORE OF LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPANDED OVER, I WOULD SAY MAYBE FAMILY STOPPING AFTER A KID'S GAME [00:35:01] AFTER LUNCH THINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT'S MORE LESS GOING WITH THE LUNCH OR DINNER HOUR. AND IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A VARIED TIMEFRAME. I WOULD SAY. CRUMBLE, SELL ANYTHING, COFFEE, DRINKS OR ANYTHING? IT'S JUST COOKIES. IT IS JUST THE COOKIES. I, I THINK THEY DO OFFER DRINKS, LIKE, I THINK LIKE BOTTLED WATER, THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY MAKE ANY SMOOTHIES OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. IT THEY FOCUS ON, ON COOKIES? YEP. AND HOW MANY SEATS ARE INSIDE? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY SEATS. BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY COUNTER SERVICE. YES. YEP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. DO WE HAVE, ARE WE RESOLVED ENOUGH TO BRING ANY RESOLUTIONS? WE DIDN'T HAVE RESOLUTION PREPARED FOR TODAY, RIGHT? UH, YOU DIDN'T AUTHORIZE, WE NOT, UM, WANTED TO APPROVE YOU, SO, OH, OKAY. UM, BECAUSE THIS IS NO X OR CHANGES. SO TYPE TWO, NO SECRET. DID YOU EMAIL THAT? UH, NO. WE JUST DID IT TODAY. SO, SO THE ONLY, SO WE ONLY NEED SITE PLAN APPROVAL. YEP. RIGHT, RIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU PASS THOSE OUT AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK. UNLESS SOME, UNLESS ANYBODY'S THINKS WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT, SO YOU PUT BACK, UH, SAY THE FIRST MAP. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THERE'S NO MONUMENT SIGN FOR THIS, RIGHT? IT'LL JUST BE ADDED . IT WOULD BE ADDED. YES. THERE ISN'T LIKE A LITTLE PLACARD, CORRECT? YES. IT'LL USE THE EXISTING SIGNAGE. THERE'LL BE A SEPARATE STAND ON SIGN, SO, AND I'LL PASS IT AROUND. I GUESS THERE'S ONLY COPY, UH, SIDEWALKS. ARE THERE ALREADY SIDEWALKS? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ALREADY SIDEWALKS THERE. LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR MAP THERE. CAN'T QUITE TELL. I GUESS THERE COULD BE COMING OFF OF WHERE THATS THAT WHEN THEY RECONFIGURED IT, IT AND LIKE MAYBE THERE WERE SOME SIDEWALKS THAT GO JUST IN FRONT OF THIS. IT'S HARD TO TELL ON THAT MAP. YEAH, THERE'S SIDEWALK, THERE'S SIDEWALKS AND THEN THEY COME AROUND THE SIDE OF THE COMMERCIAL. SO THERE, SO THERE ARE SIDEWALKS, THE SIDES. ALL RIGHT. SWEET SIDEWALKS FOR EXISTING. AND THEN I PROCESS SIDEWALK ALREADY THERE, RIGHT? SIDEWALK ALREADY S IS ALREADY THERE TOO. SO WE WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD PUT IN THERE IS THE ADDITION OF THE IS NOT REQUIRED DECREASE THERE. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL PUT THERE. OKAY. BECAUSE CARSTAR IS A DIFFERENT PARCEL. THAT'S NOT YOU GUYS. THAT IS CORRECT. YES. YEP. YEAH. SO THEY GO AS FAR AS CARS, IT LOOKS KIND LIKE THEY WERE ADDED WHEN THEY RECONFIGURED THE INTERSECTION. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS. THOUGHT YOU KNEW. I WAS LIKE, OH, SHE'S A LAWYER. SHE'S READING THAT ALL YOU. YEAH, THE DATA. NO, THIS IS GOOD. YOU SHOULD READ IT. YOU DON'T WANT ME TO, TO THE, UH, SIDEWALK AND UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DATE OF ANN LETTER IS. TAMMY, WHAT'S THE DATE OF YOUR LETTER? UH, THE SECOND. JUNE 2ND. YOU SAY THAT SIDEWALK'S REQUIREMENT TO NUMBER, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THEY ALREADY EXIST. I THINK THAT'S THE WORDING WE KIND OF CAME TO THAT DOESN'T SAY THEY WILL HAVE TO PUT 'EM IN IF SIDEWALKS ARE BROKEN IN THE FUTURE. OKAY, I'LL CHECK. SO REFERENCE THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS [00:40:06] WHEN EVERYBODY HAS TO BE WARNED. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH, UH, PEOPLE WILL ENJOY READING. THERE'S A JOB OPENING FOR THEM. SO YEAH. WHAT'S THE SENTENCE YOU'D LIKE FOR THE ENGINEERING LETTERS? OH, WE JUST HAD TO PUT THE DATE IN. THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE. THE ENGINEERING DECK. OH, I THINK, YEAH. WHAT'S THE DATE? MARCO'S THE RESET. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT I, WELL, WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT IT'S IDEA. ONE THING ONE TIME THAT I GOT NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN. IS THERE, IS THERE AN INTRO YOU NEED? NO , UH, MCKINLEY COMMON PROPOSED SITE MODIFICATIONS, APPROVAL RESOLUTION JUNE 7TH, 2023 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW. UM, OKAY, SORRY. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, IT SAYS STATE TWICE C THE S IN SEEKER IS FOR STATE. SO I GOT CONFUSED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSED SITE MODIFICATIONS AT MCKINLEY COMMONS. 4 1 5 4 MCKINLEY PARKWAY, WHICH INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF EXISTING ASPHALT PAVEMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF A DRIVE THROUGH LANE WITH CURBING AND LANDSCAPE AREAS FOR CRUMBLE COOKIE AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 3RD, 2023. THE PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION SECTION 6 1 7 5 C7 AND THEREFORE DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS. MOTION TO GRANT CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED JUNE 2ND, 2023. ANY NEW LIGHTING MUST BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND NO ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE SIDEWALKS ALREADY EXIST IN THE AREA. SECOND IT A MOTION BY MARGO, SECOND BY CAITLYN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING VACANT BANK OF AMERICA AND CONSTRUCT A NEW 6,990 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AT 5 3 3 4 AND 5 3 4 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MATTHEW OATES WITH BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT. UM, AGAIN, BEEN IN FRONT OF THE BOARD FOR THIS PROJECT. WE ARE PROPOSING, CALL IT A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN FRONT OF THE WALMART ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD IN THE LOCATION OF THE FORMER BANK OF AMERICA. AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. ONE FIRST WAS IN REGARDS TO THE EXISTING INTERSECTION ON THE WALMART PROPERTY. I DID MANAGE TO FIND A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAD FROM WALMART, SO I DID SEND THAT TO JOSH SO IT COULD BE LOOKED AT TO MAKE SURE THAT WALMART HAS THE EXISTING STRIPING AND THAT COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. UM, THE SECOND WAS IN REGARDS TO THE PICKUP WINDOW FOR CHIPOTLE, SPECIFICALLY, WHAT THEY KIND OF NEED FOR STACKING HOW LONG IT TAKES. SO WHAT WE GOT FROM CHIPOTLE WAS WE GOT THEIR AVERAGE NATIONAL DATA. IT SHOWED THAT ON AVERAGE THEY HAVE ABOUT TWO CUSTOMERS AT A TIME, MAXIMUM QUEUE OF ABOUT FOUR. HOWEVER, SINCE THAT WAS NATIONAL DATA, WHAT WE DID, THERE'S A NEW CHIPOTLE AT 30 30 NIAGARA FALLS BOULEVARD IN THE TOWN OF AMHERST. IT'S NEXT TO THE NEW DELTA SONIC THAT'S THERE ACROSS FROM KOHL'S AND WEGMANS. SO WE ALSO COUNTED THAT FROM FOUR TO SEVEN ON MAY 15TH. WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT AT THE MAXIMUM QUEUE WAS THREE CARS AT THAT WINDOW, AND OVER THE SPAN OF THREE HOURS THERE WAS 35 TOTAL CUSTOMERS WHO CAME THROUGH THAT PICKUP WINDOW. SO OVERALL IT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR THE QUEUE. WITH THIS PICKUP WINDOW, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY SPACE FOR EIGHT TO NINE VEHICLES, AND ON AVERAGE THERE WOULD ONLY BE THREE TO FOUR. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PICKUP WINDOW ONLY, IT'S NOT A DRIVE THROUGH WITH ANY ORDERING IN THERE. UH, THE OTHER THING WAS IN REGARDS TO THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING, IT WAS SPECIFICALLY THE ONE IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER. IT WAS ASKED THAT WE COULD KIND OF BREAK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE JUST THE, THE STANDARD MASONRY WALL THAT WE HAVE. SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE BOUGHT THE ARCHITECTURAL BRICK TO THE BACK, THE SPOT YOU SEE WHERE WE'RE SHOWING IT. WE CHOSE THAT LOCATION IS BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE BUILDING BUMPS. THERE'S ABOUT A FOUR FOOT BUILDING DEPTH CHANGE FROM THE PROPOSED CHIPOTLE SPACE TO THE REST OF THE BUILDING. SO WE CHOSE THAT SPOT TO ACCESS, ACCENT IT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT, UM, TEXTURES OF THE MASONRY BRICK RUNNING HORIZONTALLY AS WELL IN THAT AREA. SO WE HAVE THE TWO VERTICAL FEATURES AND THE TWO HORIZONTAL FEATURES AS WELL TO KIND OF ADDITIONALLY BREAK UP THAT BACK AREA AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE RENDERING, BUT THERE ALSO IS LANDSCAPING UP ALONG THE BUILDING AS WELL. THAT'LL HELP BREAK UP THE BOTTOM ON THE INSIDE OF THE PICKUP LANE. AND THEN ALSO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE [00:45:01] PICKUP LANE, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AS WELL. SO THAT'LL HELP VISUALLY BREAK IT UP. UM, THERE WAS NO OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD HAD IN REGARDS TO THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SITE PLAN, ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE DRIVE THROUGH? HOW MANY STACKING SPACES? CAN YOU REMIND ME? I BELIEVE IT IS EIGHT ONE HAVE AMHERST HAS A PICKUP WINDOW. THE ONE IN AMHERST IS A PICKUP WINDOW VEST. YEP. BECAUSE MOST NEW FOR CHIPOTLE, RIGHT? CORRECT. THIS IS A NEW CONCEPT I WOULD SAY THAT THEY HAVE PROBABLY STARTED DOING IN THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS. THE FIRST ONE WE WERE INVOLVED WITH WAS THE ONE IN AMHERST. THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND ONE. SO THAT WAS THE MAIN ONE WE KNEW ABOUT. IT HAS BEEN OPEN NOW PROBABLY ABOUT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS. SO, SO CUSTOMERS WERE AWARE OF IT AS WELL. SO IT WASN'T LIKE SUPER NEW. SO WE FEEL THE NUMBERS KIND OF SHOW THAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGES THEY HAVE DID ALSO MEET WHAT'S IN THE BUFFALO MARKET AS WELL. SO, WHICH IS WHY WE JUST WANTED TO VERIFY WHAT THEY GAVE US AND NOT JUST TAKE THE NUMBERS THEY SPECIFICALLY TOLD US. CAN YOU JUST REMIND US NOT TO BELIEVE THIS? WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND ALL THE PIECES. THAT LITTLE RED PART IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? YES. IS THAT THE FRONT DOOR OR IS THAT THE PICKUP WINDOW IS THAT'S WHERE THE FRONT DOOR VERSUS THE PICKUP WINDOW. THE, THE, SO THE PICKUP WINDOW IF YOU WANT TO GO TO, WE HAVE NO THAT, NOPE, THAT IS THE RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE BEST PLAN. SO THAT IS ACTUALLY THE PATIO, THE RED. SO THERE'S A FRONT PATIO FOR THE CHIPOTLE AND THEN THE LIGHT GRAY ON THE SIDE. THAT'S WHERE THE PICKUP WINDOW WOULD BE. SO THE PICKUP WINDOW WILL BE HERE. OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS ACTUALLY A PATIO THAT'S GONNA BE PAVERS FOR CHIP PULTE VERSUS MORE CONCRETE FOR THE REST OF THE BUILDING JUST TO KIND OF BREAK IT UP. AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THE ELEVATION AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER, WE'RE ALSO BRINGING OUT A CANOPY ACTUALLY OVER THIS PATIO AS WELL TO KIND OF COVER THAT SECTION AS WELL. GIVE THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH AND KIND OF MAKE THE PATIO FEEL A LITTLE BIT NICER. SO IT'S LIKE EXTERIOR SEATING PATIO, CORRECT? YES. YEP. SO IS THE, UM, JOSH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE? SORRY. SO WHERE IS THE, THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE THEN? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH CARS ARE COMING OUT VERSUS WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING IN. SO THE, SO THE PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE REALLY WITH THE MAIN PARKING IN THIS AREA OVER HERE, YOU'RE ABLE TO ACCESS ANYWHERE ALONG HERE, THE DOOR INTO THE CHIPOTLE PORTION WILL BE HERE. OKAY. AND THEN THE PICKUP WOULD BE THERE, THEN CARS WOULD COME AROUND AND THEN THEY WOULD EXIT AND, AND LEAVE THAT AROUND. IS THERE A SECOND ENTRANCE OR EXIT OR IS IT JUST THE ONE THEY HAVE? THEY HAVE HAVE A, THEY DO DO LIKE A SIDE EXIT ON THIS SIDE AS WELL. JUST THE WAY THAT CHIPOTLE SETS UP THEIR SPACE. THEY HAVE A MAIN FRONT DOOR AND THEN THEY HAVE LIKE A SECONDARY DOOR OFF THE SIDE AS WELL. THAT ALSO GIVES ACCESS TO THE PATIO AREA. SO THAT'S TOWARDS SOUTHWESTERN, NOT TOWARDS THE STORE? CORRECT. ALL THE PROPOSED ENTRANCES, ALL THE MAIN PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCES, EVERYTHING IS FACING SOUTHWESTERN. THAT IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE THE ARCHITECTURE DESIGNED AS WELL. EVERYTHING IS DESIGNED WITH THE FRONT FACING SOUTHWESTERN. UM, SO WE, WE GOT THE PART TWO ON FRIDAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING WE WANTED TO GO OVER ABOUT THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY IN THIS? UH, I THOUGHT YOU GUYS ALREADY WAITED. YEAH, I'VE JUST TAKEN A LOOK TO SEE TRAFFIC FLOW. UM, I'LL, I'LL EXIT EXITS ONTO SOUTHWESTERN. NO, NO EXITS ON THE SOUTHWESTERN. EVERYTHING FOR THIS SITE CIRCULATES TO THE BACK EXISTING DRIVE OF THE WALMART AND THEN EVERYTHING GOES OUT TO THE SIGNALED ENTRANCE. THERE ARE NO ACCESS DRIVES PROPOSED ON THE SOUTHWESTERN FOR THE SITE. SO THIS IS VERY MUCH PLAYS OFF OF THAT INTERNAL ACCESS DRIVE THAT'S THERE. SAME AS THE OTHER. THE BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL, WE HAD NO COMMENTS REALLY WAS WAS IT WAS ATTACHED TO JOSH MEMO, THE EMAIL WITH JOSH'S MEMO? YEAH, THERE'S UH, UM, OH, FIREWOOD SQUARE. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE NAME OF THE BRIARWOOD SQUARE. I, YES. WELL THAT ONE'S THE RESOLUTION. IT'S IT'S S-E-A-F-R TWO IS WHAT HE HAS IT LABELED ON THERE. YES, IT'S, IT'S A PDF. THERE YOU GO. [00:50:12] THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE FLAGGED AS MODERATE TO LARGE IMPACT WAS THE TRAFFIC TRYING TO, YOU DON'T HAVE IT HANDY DO YOU MARGO THE, WITH THE THRESHOLD GOES ON THE, THE PART TWO THERE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY ON THAT? NO. SO IT WOULD BE A SMALL IMPACT IF THE PROJECT WILL ADD TRAFFIC TO THE AREA, BUT THE ROADS HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THAT LEVEL OF TRAFFIC TO MAKE IS PROBABLY TRUE. THE PROJECT WILL INCREASE THE DEMAND FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BUT THE EXISTING SYSTEM HAS THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD EXPECT THIS TO CHANGE DEMAND ON, NO, I THINK WALMART'S DEMAND PROBABLY DRIVE IT MORE THAN CHIPOTLE'S PROJECT WILL INCREASE THE DEMAND FOR SIDEWALKS, BIKE PATHS, BIKE LANES AND BIKE RACKS. BUT EXISTING BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES HAVE THE KEY CAPACITY TO HANDLE THE INQUIRIES OR THE PROPOSED PROJECT INCLUDES NEW CONNECTIONS OR EXPANSION OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. SO CORRECT. WE DON'T, BUT WE CAN ADD ONE. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. SO WE CAN ADD ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE WE HAVE THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE SIDE. WE CAN FIND A SPOT FOR ONE THERE. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. BECAUSE THAT WALMART DOES NOT HAVE BY BIKE RACKS. AND THEN SO THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IS SO IS THERE LIKE A PEDESTRIAN PATH ON THE PROPERTY THAT CONNECTS THAT SIDEWALK SIDEWALK THERE? CORRECT. THERE IS. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SIDEWALK CONNECTION THAT COMES ON SIDE ACROSS THE FRONT SIDE AND YEP. AND THAT TIES IN? YES, THAT'S THE LITTLE DIAGONAL. YEP. OH, THERE'S ONE IN THE FRONT TOO. I THINK THE ONE IN THE FRONT ENDS AT THE UM, HANDICAP SPACES. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE CONNECT, THERE'S, IT SOUNDS WEIRD, BUT THERE'S LIKE A SIX INCH GAP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND OUR PROPERTY LINE. SO THEN WE'D HAVE TO GET A STATE DOT PERMIT AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE TO GO TO THE SIDE INSTEAD OF GOING THAT WAY. BUT WE STILL DID CONNECT THE PEDESTRIAN PATH THERE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD WAY. THE BIKE RACK. I LIKE IT. RIGHT. WHERE'D YOU SAY YOU WANTED, LIKE, RIGHT. UM, I WOULD SAY WE'LL PUT IT ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, LIKE PROBABLY LIKE MIDDLE BACK. WE'LL FIND A SPOT FOR IT AND WE CAN SHOW, GIVE IT TO CAMIE AND HAVE HER KIND RE REVIEW THE LOCATION, MAKE SURE IT KIND OF MEETS, WE'LL DO THE FINAL SITE PLAN. YEAH, I CAN LOOK AT IT ON THE FILE. LET THEY COULD SEE UPDATED ENGINEERING PLAN. I LOOK FOR WHAT'S THE DATE, UH, ON YOUR LETTER? SECOND. SECOND, OKAY. HOW MANY, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE HERE? 42. 42. AND YOU SAID THE AVERAGE USAGE IN OVER THE THREE HOURS IN AMHERST WAS LIKE 35 PEOPLE? IT WAS 30, YEAH. 35 PEOPLE USED THE PICKUP WINDOW. OKAY. OVER THREE HOURS. YOU NEED 42 SPACES. SO LIKE I'M JUST RATIONALIZING. YEAH, WELL I'M RATIONALIZING OUR, OUR PART TWO REASONING BECAUSE THERE'S A POSITIVE IMPACT ON WALKABILITY AND VIKING. SO WE CAN'T SAY THERE'S AN ADVERSE IMPACT COMPARATIVELY TO WALMART BECAUSE ME, I MEAN I WOULD ALMOST CHANGE TO NOT TO TO NO OR SMALL IMPACT. ME TOO. I DON'T THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT. THERE'S SOME POSITIVES HERE. YOU AGREE WITH THAT PART TWO? YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT, YEAH, I MEAN EVEN THOUGH I DON'T SEE HOW MUCH MORE OF AN IMPACT IT COULD BE. OKAY. I THINK IT'S A GOOD, I STILL THINK THE BIGGEST STRUCTURE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN, THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE THE CHANGE. I WOULD CHANGE FIVE TO KNOW. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE OTHER ONES THERE. IT'S ALREADY PAGED LOT. SOUNDS GOOD. RIGHT? YES. YEAH. YOU'RE DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING AND BUILDING A NEW ONE, CORRECT? YES. YEP. [00:55:01] BUT IT IS GETTING RID OF AN EMPTY RETAIL BUILDING, WHICH IS NICE. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO VERY WELL READ THE RESOLUTION. THIS FIRST RESOLUTION IS SEEKER, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW. THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 7,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL SLASH RESTAURANT BUILDING, ALONG WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING, UTILITY, DRAINAGE, LIGHTING, AND LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AT 4 3, 3 4 AND 4 3 4 0 SOUTHWEST WIND BOULEVARD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 3RD, 2023. BASED ON THIS REVIEW, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT'S ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS HAVE BEEN AVOIDED OR MITIGATED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL. IT IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. AND A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED. THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL. SECOND BY SECOND. SECOND BY CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE WE'LL WRITE SITE PLAN BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THE VENDORS AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT MATERIALS AND HAVING COMPLETED THE SECRET PROCESS, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY APPROVES THE PROJECTS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND DETERMINATIONS. ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED JUNE 2ND, 2023. TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AND SIDEWALKS ALREADY EXIST IN THIS AREA. THREE. LANDSCAPING. THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR A BIKE RACK SHALL BE INSTALLED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY SECOND. CAITLIN, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY. JOSH, FOR THE FINAL VERSION OF THE PART TWO, YOU'LL PUT A NEW DATE ON IT AND CHANGE MOTION. OKAY. SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WE ARE GOING TO, UH, DUE TO SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES RELATING TO THE SMOKE, WE'RE GONNA PUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING TO GIVE SOMEBODY MORE TIME TO GET HERE. UH, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER FIVE. LIBERATORY MANAGEMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON A WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT BURKE PARKWAY. SORRY, THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE A STREET NUMBER YET, RIGHT? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT. THOUGHT COMPUTER. GOOD EVENING. CHRIS WOOD WITH CARMEN WOOD DESIGN WE'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT. UH, WE WERE HERE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, I THINK FOR THE WORK SESSION TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THE PROJECT ITSELF HASN'T CHANGED MUCH. UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TWO 16,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS IN ONE 12,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING ON A 3.7 ACRE SITE. UM, THE SITE BACKS UP TO THE THROUGHWAY ACTUALLY IN BETWEEN THE THROUGHWAY AND THE SITE IS A POWER LINE PROPERTY OWNED BY NIGAR MOHAWK. AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING LABORATORY, UH, DEVELOPMENT ON BURKE PARKWAY TO THE, TO THE NORTH AND JUST A WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE COMPLEX ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION, WE DID SUBMIT THE SEEKER. SO I'D ASK A FEW DEEMED APPROPRIATE, SEND THAT OUT FOR, UH, COORDINATED REVIEW IF THE 30 DAYS STARTED. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, WE DO HAVE 56 PARKING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING REQUIRED FOR THE THE WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS. UM, OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON THE NORTH END, ON THE LOW END OF ITS SITE, THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS CURRENTLY PAVED WITH BLACKTOP. THIS IS THE EXISTING BLACKTOP LINE. SO THE ONLY EXISTING GREEN SPACE IS A SMALL AREA ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE INCREASINGLY IMPERVIOUS METHOD AT ALL. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER 'EM. WE DID SUBMIT BILLING ELEVATIONS ALSO WITH THE SECOND LINE APPLICATION. AND WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE BOARD? SO WE SEND THIS OFF A COORDINATED REVIEW. THE PARCEL BEHIND IT WAS THE THROUGHWAY CORRECT? OR IS THERE AN EASEMENTS? YES, THIS IS AN NIAGARA MOHAWK PROPERTY. YEP. AND THEN THE THROUGHWAY. AND THEN THE THROUGHWAY RIGHT NOW ON THIS SIDE IS THE OLD MCKINLEY PARK END ON THE EAST SIDE. MM-HMM. IT SEEMED TO BE LIFE STORAGE BUILDING SOMEDAY. SO THIS IS LIKE BEHIND LIFE STORAGE? YES. YES. BEHIND LIFE STORAGE. THERE WAS THE PEOPLE AT THE OTHER BUILDING CAME NOT THAT LONG AGO AS WELL, RIGHT? OR NO, THAT WAS JUST THIS, BUT THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S LIKE A BUILDING BACK ON GOOGLE MAPS. THE CORN [01:00:01] HOLE ABOVE IS IN THE OTHER BUILDING. THEY'RE IN THIS BUILDING HERE. YEP. THE EXISTING BUILDING. RIGHT. SO THE NEW BUILDINGS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THIS. WE'D, IT'D BE RENTED OUT BY THE BAY OR THEY COULD POTENTIALLY RENT THE WHOLE BUILDING, BUT IT'D BE SET UP THE SAME WAY. YOU KNOW, ON THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS YOU COULD SEE THERE'D BE A RENT DOOR ON THE FRONT WITH THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DIVIDE 'EM UP IN THE INDIVIDUAL BAYS THERE. UH, LIKE A TRACTOR TRAILER TURNAROUND SPACE SOMEWHERE ON HERE. UH, WELL THE TRUCK WOULD COME IN HERE AND THEY'D BE ABLE TO CIRCLE AROUND AND GO BACK OUT. THERE'S A OUN AREA THERE. AND LEMME JUST POINT OUT TO THE PUBLIC ROAD ENDS AT THIS POINT. THE BURKE PARKWAY. AND THAT IS THE PAPER ROAD? WHAT'S THAT? THAT IS THE PAPER THAT THE WELL ACTUALLY LIBERATORY OWNS BETWEEN HERE AND HERE. THEN THE PAPER ROAD STARTS AGAIN AND GOES UP TO THE SIDE STREET. THEY OWN A SPOT IN BETWEEN. SO YOU HAVE BURKE PARKWAY PIECE OF THEIR PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED AND THEN THE PAPER STREET STARTS THEN GOES DOWN TO THE OTHER END. RIGHT. BUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS AN EASEMENT FOR SNOWBALL TURNAROUND AT THE END OF BURKE PARKWAY. I TRIPLE CHECKED BECAUSE I WAS SHOCKED THAT THIS ONE SECTION OF THE PAPER STREET IS NOT, IT'S LISTED AS ABANDONED. WHEN AND WHY? I CAN'T BELIEVE. RIGHT. THERE'S A SANITARY SEWER THAT GOES THROUGH THERE THAT'S BEEN IN AN EASEMENT NOW. UM, AND WATERLINE ENDS SHORT, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXTEND THE WATER MAIN A LITTLE BIT. EXPECTING ANY ADDITIONAL, LIKE IT'S JUST WAREHOUSE BASED. SO OTHER THAN LIKE BATHROOM FACILITIES FOR STAFF, THERE'S NOT ANY WATER DEMAND OR ANYTHING? NOPE. UM, EACH, EACH OF THE BAYS WILL BE SET UP WHERE EACH ONE COULD HAVE A BATHROOM POTENTIALLY. BUT IF SOMEBODY RENTS MULTIPLE BAYS, THERE WOULD ONLY BE ONE BATHROOM FOR THE MULTIPLE BAYS. I MEAN, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH SENDING THIS OUT FOR REVIEW AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD WANNA INCLUDE THE THROUGHWAY AUTHORITY. JUST PUT THE PROXIMITY IS ONE OF THE, I DON'T, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT PROBABLY NOT TO COMMENT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S FINE. AND I RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALSO MAKE SURE THAT HIGHWAY AND UH, AND HAVE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT LOOK AT THE FIRE CODE FEATURE THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE THERE IS AN EASEMENT FOR TURNING AROUND, WHICH MEANS UH, TOWN PLOWS WOULD COME UP BURKE PARKWAY, BUT THEN TURN AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PRIVATE PROBLEM. RIGHT. AND JUST BE SURE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. I THINK RIGHT NOW THE TO PLOW JUST PUSHED THE SNOW ONTO THE OLD IN PARK AND BURKE PARKWAY, THE PAVEMENT ACTUALLY STOPS SHORT OF THAT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXTEND THE PAVEMENT THAT LAST BIT. YEP. AND THEN THEY WOULD DO THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT TOWN ROAD STATE. THIS IS A TOWN BURKE PARKWAY, IS IT? WELL THAT, YEAH, THAT TOWN ROAD WE HAVE TO EXTEND ABOUT THIS MUCH OF PUBLIC ROAD VEGAS. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT IS, BUT IT'S POSSIBLY 20 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, NOT VERY BIG. RIGHT IN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GOOGLE MAP, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PATIENT ENDS AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE FROM THERE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS STAGE? SO THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE SOME UH, ROOM ON THE AGENDA IS THE 19TH, WHICH WOULD BE AFTER THE COORDINATED REVIEW. SO I HAVE TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT DAY. UM, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE TOWN PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO BEGIN THE SECRET COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS AND A SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR LIOR MANAGEMENT ON JULY 19TH. SECOND. IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIED. SORRY, I THINK YOU SAID THIS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE. THOSE BUILDINGS ARE IN THE SAME COLOR SCHEME WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING IN THERE. THEY'RE ALL GONNA MATCH. YEP. YEP. SAME, SAME MASONRY ON THE BOTTOM AND METAL BUILDING ABOVE. SAME COLORS. OKAY. SO WE'RE ALL SET. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE RECOMMENDATION AND REPORT. SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WHEN THEY CHANGED THE OFF RAMP FROM THE THROUGHWAY CAMP ROAD, THERE'S PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CURRENT OFF RAMP THAT USED TO BE WELL STILL IS DOT. THE DOT WANTS TO SCHEDULE A SALE OF THE PROPERTY SITTING, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS AN OFF RAMP, WE DID NOT HAVE IT ZONE. SO MAPS THERE ABOVE LIGHT. BUT I'M ACTUALLY GOING ALRIGHT. YEAH, I'M GONNA LOOK AT THE MAPS. UM, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS. UH, SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT KIND OF ZONING RECOMMENDATION ARE WE GONNA WANNA MAKE BECAUSE WE RE MAKE ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TOWN BOARD BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD S ON ZONING [01:05:01] CHANGES. SO, UM, IT'S PRETTY BIG PARCEL. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO, USUALLY DREW WOULD, WOULD, UH, KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHAT IT IS AND WANT TO PROPOSAL. UM, I MEAN NEXT, LAST TIME. UM, I KNOW, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO KNOW IS ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL PERSONALLY THAT, CAN WE PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN AND COLOR? WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO STALL FOR YOU. I'M NOT SURE IT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO WHENEVER YOU WANNA HEAR IT FROM US, I, UH, HE'S, HE TEXT US AND SAID HE IS MY COMPUTER, NOT MY COMPUTER. THE ONLY ONES I HAVE ARE THESE PHYSICAL ONES. OKAY. UM, SO DO YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROPERTY, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES? UM, ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES INCLUDES 5 2 2 0 CAMP ROAD. UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONE C. WHAT, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY IT WAS A MAJOR MEMO BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA. THERE WASN'T ANYTHING. I THINK IT'S 5 2, 2 0. YEAH, IT'S ON C TWO. I HAVE THE COLOR ONE. I COULD JUST SHARE IT WITH YOU ALL. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S WHAT I, WHEN I ALWAYS KNEW. OKAY. UM, YEAH, BACK TO TWO ZERO BY ZONE C TWO. OKAY. MOST OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT ARE ZONED C TWO, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT C TWO? UH, SO THAT'S THE, THE BIGGEST, THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, IS C TWO THE MOST APPROPRIATE ZONE BECAUSE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS TWO? OR DO WE THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PROPERTY FOR SOME OTHER ZONING DESIGNATION? SO SOME OF THEM ARE C ONE, SOME OF THEM ARE C ONE. C ONE. MM-HMM . AND THEN THERE'S A, THE TRANSITION RESIDENTIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH, THERE'S A WHOLE, THERE'S A WHOLE THING. SORRY. THE, THE HASHED ARE, ARE PARCELS IN QUESTION. THEY'RE BOUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL C TWO. THERE'S A LITTLE POCKET OF C ONE. AND SO THERE IS A M TWO, A C TWO, THE C ONE ALL BEING PROPOSED TO TRANSITION INTO THIS NEW ZONE. MM-HMM . AND THEY ARE BOUNDED BY EVERYTHING M TWO, RESIDENTIAL C TWO AND C ONE AND A ROAD BE THE AROUND. SO THERE'S THERE, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO THINK ABOUT THIS, UM, ABOUT THIS. ONE OF THEM IS WHAT DO WE THINK A GOOD USE OF THAT SPACE WOULD BE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ZONING CODE BEST FITS THAT USE. UM, GUESS THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF. I DON'T KNOW WHY I SAID THERE WAS A FEW WAYS TO THINK ABOUT IT. SO ALREADY THEN, RIGHT? AND WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN GIVEN A, UH, SO THE A SAMPLE CODE, RIGHT? PROBABLY, YEAH. THIS IS WHAT WAS FOLDED IN THAT MAP IS THE DEFINITIONS OF THE INTERCHANGE CODE. SO THERE, I THINK WE WOULD BE BEST TO LOOK AT THE NARRATIVE AND DETERMINE IF THAT THE TYPES OF THINGS TO BE BOUNDED BY THOSE OTHER ENTRYWAYS LIKE A NURSERY SCHOOL. I DON'T, I DON'T DUNNO IF THAT WELL BECAUSE THE ONLY, THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THOUGH, ON THAT COMMERCE PLACE DRIVE, RIGHT THERE IS THAT DAYCARE RIGHT WITH THE PLAYGROUND THAT WENT IN THERE THAT FAIRLY, THAT WAS TIGHT FIT THERE. THING I REMEMBER TOO IS THAT AUTO AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS CAN ONLY GO ON CAMP ROAD. SO WE DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF EVERYTHING IN CASE [01:10:01] SOMEBODY WANTS TO EXPAND, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEY'RE BY LAW THEY'RE LIMITED. MM-HMM. I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO. OTHERWISE THAT'S A GOOD POINT. UH, FOR ZONING THEM OUT OF BUSINESS. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. AND AUTOMOBILE DEALERS THIS AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS, THOSE ARE C TWO, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ON CAMP PROJECT. YEAH. C TWO IS THE SIMPLEST ANSWER. THE SURROUND THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE SURROUNDING. WELL THAT'S, WELL THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING C TWO. THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS. THEY'RE PROPOSING ALL IT'S A NEW DISTRICT. IT'S A NEW DISTRICT. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO I WAS AT THE GATEWAY AREA REVIEWING THE GAMES, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A, A YEAR AGO. UM, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT COULD GO IN THERE. AND BECAUSE THIS AREA IS RIGHT OFF THE FREEWAY, IT'S ONE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE POINTS FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THOUGHTS AND, AND VERY DIFFERENT FLAVORS OF PERSPECTIVE ABOUT THINGS THAT WOULD BE DRAWING IN OR BE A RESOURCE. ONE SUGGESTION WAS LIKE A ME A MEDICAL CAMPUS, UM, FOR THAT TYPE OF A, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES FOR LIKE ALL THOSE OUTPATIENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM UP IN LIKE WILLIAMSVILLE. UH, ONE SUGGESTION WAS LIKE A, SOME SORT OF A SPORTS COMPLEX OR LIKE YMCA LIKE CLUB THAT'S GONNA DRAW PEOPLE IN TO DO THAT. 'CAUSE THERE'S A A WAYS TO GET TO THE, THE Y THE SOUTH TOWNS. THERE WAS SUGGESTIONS BUT THE, THE VIBE IN THE ENTIRE IMPRESSION IS, IS THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY ENTRANCE POINTS OR THE TOWN PEOPLE COME OFF THE THROUGHWAY, THIS IS THE FIRST THING THEY SEE. THIS IS THE FIRST IMPRESSION OF THE, OF THE AREA. AND HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT PART OF THE GATEWAY? IT WAS PART OF THE GATEWAY REVITALIZATIONS. UM, I SEE. SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON HOW YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT WANTING IT TO BE A FEATURE AREA, DRAWING PEOPLE IN. I MEAN THE QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT LIKE NUMBER SIX ON THIS LIST, UM, OF THE USES, WHICH IS THAT YOU COULD ONLY HAVE A WAREHOUSE ASSOCIATED WITH PRINCIPAL USE. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S SORT OF WHAT YOU WOULD WANT. YOU DON'T, WHILE THERE IS GOOD ACCESS TO THE THROUGHWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DID NOT COME UP AT THAT MEETING IS WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FROM WHEN PEOPLE, PARTICIPANTS, THE FOCUS WAS ON, UH, CONSUMER PUBLIC ESTIMATION RATHER THAN A COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL SORT OF . I AGREE. SO THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT CAME IN AT THAT MEETING THERE. AND I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I KNOW DREW WAS, WAS AT THAT MEETING AND SOME OF THE, THE WENDELL TEAM, SO I'M SURE THEY HAVE LIKE NOTES IN THE SUMMARY OF THE REPORT THAT CAME ON THAT. BUT FOUR MORE CAR WATCHES GREAT SPOT FOR A GAS STATION THROUGH AND IT'S A GREAT SPOT FOR A GAS STATION. IT WOULD LOOK LIKE I, YOU KNOW, SMOKE IN THE AIR AND POLLUTION. RIGHT? WELL IF YOU WALK OUTSIDE NOW YOU GOT SOME WILDFIRES TALKING ABOUT OCEAN CANADIAN GENERAL. I MEAN I FEEL LIKE THIS, THIS DRAFT CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE DISTRICT IS IN LINE WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT I HEARD THAT AND I KNOW WHEN WAS THE ONE, IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND I KNOW THAT, UM, WHO WAS THERE? BETH FERRELL WAS THERE I THINK, AND MEGAN AND, AND RANDY HOPE. AND THEN THERE WAS A CAME BOTH FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC. I WENT, THERE WAS SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT, THERE WAS A WHOLE COMMITTEE FROM THE TOWN AND THEN ARE PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC. SO I, I MEAN ANDERSON'S COUNCIL WAS PRESENT AT THAT MEETING AS WELL. CAN WE OWE THE INFORMA THE TOWN INFORMATION TODAY? WE JUST OWE THEM A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, BUT I MEAN, DO WE HAVE, DO THAT TODAY? LIKE WHEN WE TABLE THIS, GET SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE MEETING, LIKE RECONVENE NEXT WEEK. SO THE, THE TOWN WOULD'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THAT FEEDBACK FROM THAT MEETING. SO THAT WAS HABIT. WE DON'T OH YEAH. YOU WANT US TO SAY'S MEETING AND I THINK THE FIRST, WELL I, I GUESS I WANNA SEE WHAT IF BILL'S OPEN TO LIKE MAYBE TABLING AND KIND OF GATHERING SOME INFORMATION AND REVISITING THIS AT, AT OUR NEXT YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S BEEN A WHILE. I, I THINK THE FIRST DRAFT OF THAT, IT SAYS OCTOBER OF 22 ACTUALLY CAME AROUND WHEN DREW ALSO DID THE UH, THE NEY MALL REZONING. OH GOODNESS. YEAH. THAT'S ALL. WHICH WAS, THAT WAS A WHILE AGO. BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY GIVEN EVERYTHING I'VE SAID WHEN WE FIRST STARTED. I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THIS. I FORGOT ABOUT THAT KIM. I FORGOT ABOUT THIS DISTRICT AS WELL. YEAH, YEAH. CAN YOU, SO IT HAS BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A WHILE. UM, CAN YOU RECIRCULATE THE INTERCHANGE NOTE? SO THIS, THE CAMPER INTERCHANGE DISTRICT, WAS THAT DISTRICT, HAS THIS BEEN [01:15:01] CREATED YET OR ARE WE STILL MAKING RECOMMENDATION ON NO. RIGHT. YOU SEND A WORD VERSION OF THAT WORD VERSION. YEAH. I, I'M TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION AND SPEND SOME TIME WITH IT. I HOW MUCH TIME WE SAW THEM. YOU, YOU AND ME ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE ON THE BOARD THAT ARE STILL HERE FROM THE LAST TIME THIS, THEY CAN CALL THIS, THIS INTERCHANGE. I DON'T THINK WE SAW THIS, THIS VERSION, BUT LAST TIME WE SAW, WELL WE SAW THE MCKINLEY DISTRICT BUT NOT THE CAMP ROAD. I PROBABLY HAD SOMETHING, SOME OF, SOME OF THESE, THESE EXTRA THINGS IN BACK HERE. I THINK WE'RE ALREADY THERE, BUT MAYBE NOT. MAYBE NOT. YEAH, MAYBE. ALRIGHT. UM, WE SEE THIS AT THE 21ST. YOU BACK, THAT WAS PRETTY DISCUSSION AT THE END. SEE IF WE NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION. UM, NO WE CAN DO THE 21ST. WHEN IS THIS SUPPOSED TO GO UP FOR SALE? DREW HAD A TIMEFRAME. I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF COMING UP, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY HE PUT THIS BACK ON. I WOULD'VE TO CONSULT HIM. I DUNNO. SO, OH, JUNE 21ST, RIGHT? JUNE 21ST. THAT'S WHAT GONNA DO. UM, AND LET'S JUST DO THAT. LET'S TABLE THIS TO JUNE 21ST. PUT IT ON FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. SECOND. THERE WAS A MOTION. I DIDN'T DO A MOTION SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO RECOMMENDATION LIKE THAT. SO A MOTION AND THEN I SECOND. SO WE'RE ALL SECOND. THERE WE GO. WE ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY, I'LL, OKAY, SO WE'LL JUST GO ANYWAY. AYE. SO, UM, YOU NEXT ITEM THE AGENDA, A LS FAULT SEEKER STATUS UPDATE. SO WHAT WE'VE GOT WITH THAT IS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN, IT HAS BEEN OPEN. UH, WE ARE ACCEPTING WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT CAN BE MAILED TO HERE TO TOWN HALL PAIR OF JOSH ROGERS. UM, JUST GET THIS, THERE WE GO. UM, COMMENTS VIA EMAIL SHOULD BE SENT IN TO J-R-O-G-E-R S@WENDELLCOMPANIES.COM. IT'S ALSO JOSH ROGERS. YEAH. UM, HE'S COMPILING OUR, OUR WRITTEN COMMENTS NEXT WEEK. WE ARE HAVING THE FIRST OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT IS GONNA BE 6:00 PM ONE WEEK FROM TONIGHT. THAT'S, UH, JUNE 14TH AT, UH, GILBERT COLLEGE IN THEIR SWAN AUDITORIUMS SWAN AUDITORIUM. SO THAT'S WHERE WE BE TAKING, UH, ORAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. BUT WE ARE ACCEPTING WRITTEN COMMENTS NOW AND WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO ACCEPT WRITTEN COMMENTS UNTIL THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH IS JULY 28TH. UM, OUR SECOND MEETING WHEN, WHEN IS THE ONE IN JULY, AGAIN? JULY 14TH. JULY 12TH. JUNE 14TH. SO MAYBE IS AS WELL. SO, SO ANOTHER MEETING AGAIN AT, AT, UH, HILBERT COLLEGE, SWAN AUDITORIUM. SIX TO NINE WILL BE JULY 12TH. WE HAD THE CONSULTANTS ARE ON BOARD THAT WE, UH, HIRED OR WE AUTHORIZED THE TOWN BOARD TO HIRE AT OUR LAST MEETING THREE WEEKS AGO. THEY'VE ALL BEEN BROUGHT ON AND ALL HAVE ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON IT. SO THEY'RE WELL ON THEIR WAY TO DO THE REPORTS WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR. SO THAT IS, THAT'S OUR UPDATE FOR THAT. AND WE'RE EXPECTING, UM, IT TO BE, IS IT GONNA BE LIVE STREAMED ON FACEBOOK? IT IS GONNA BE LIVE STREAMED ON FACEBOOK. UH, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO USE THE COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK. UM, SO I WOULD ASK THE PEOPLE PLEASE REFRAIN FROM DOING THAT AND HOPING IT MAKES IT INTO A PUBLIC RECORD. UH, IT'D BE MUCH BETTER AS OPPOSED TO JUST POSTING A COMMENT ON FACEBOOK. IF YOU TOOK THAT COMMENT AND EMAILED IT TO JOSH. CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? JUST BACKSEAT. TODAY'S NOT THERE TO DO IT. YOU'RE GONNA BE MISSED. AND THEN, UH, THERE'S A COURT REPORTER COMING RIGHT. AND WE'LL HAVE A TRANSCRIPT ON BELOW THE COMMENTS THAT COME IN, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON TO NOT USE FACEBOOK. RIGHT. SO WE'LL GET COMMENT. AND WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND ON A, LIKE I WON'T BE THERE SO I'M ASKING WHEN WILL I GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THOSE? UH, THERE WILL BE A STENOGRAPHER. I WOULD SAY IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE AT LEAST A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER WEEKS. YEAH, TYPICALLY. BUT PROBABLY BEFORE THE NEXT. I WOULD, YOU MIGHT RECEIVE IT VERY CLOSE TO THAT NEXT MEETING. OKAY. YEAH, SO I SAY THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IT'S GONNA BE A LOT QUICKER FOR YOU TO READ THEM THAN TO WATCH THE VIDEO. AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FEW OTHER PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE IN THE SAME BOAT. [01:20:01] SO I MEAN, IF WE CAN, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT, TRY AND GET IT BEFORE LIKE 4TH OF JULY WEEKEND, WHICH I THINK THE, JUST SO THERE KIND REVIEW IT, WE CAN SPEAK TO THE GRAPHER AT THE BEGINNING IF WE CAN DISCUSS LOGISTICS, PERHAPS EVEN IF IT'S JUST A ROUGH DRAFT BEFORE FILE, THAT CAN USUALLY BE PRODUCED QUICKER. ALRIGHT. SO THAT IS THE UPDATE FOR A LS FAULT, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD, JENNIFER? NO, THAT WAS EVERYTHING. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THE OTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA, SORRY, CAN I ASK ANOTHER? YEAH. OKAY. SO WE HAD SENT A LETTER, I GUESS THIS IS GOING BACK A MONTH NOW. WE'D SENT A LETTER OUT AND HAD NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE. I'M PRESUMED THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE THAT THERE'S STILL NO RESPONSE TO THE OTHER CORRESPONDENCE IN THE REQUEST WE MADE TO THEM FOR INPUT. YET SINCE THE LAST UPDATES, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT WHATSOEVER. OKAY, THANKS. UM, SO NEXT ITEM WE'RE GONNA PUT STREET 21 LLC REQUESTING SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF CAR WASH FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 5 3 6 3 SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD. GOOD EVENING. UM, MY NAME AGAIN IS FRANK P I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM OF PARA SPEECH ON BEHALF OF HUTTON. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE ROB SPEK ON BEHALF OF HUTTON. AS THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED, OUR LEAD CONSULTANT, JASON ATKI, INTENDED TO BE HERE TODAY. HIS, UH, OR TONIGHT HIS PLANE WAS CANCELED, OR FLIGHT WAS CANCELED DUE TO THE WEATHER SITUATION. HE IS ON HIS WAY DRIVING IN A RENTAL CAR, BUT HE'S GONNA BE, HE'S STILL ON OUR WAY. SO WE WOULD, UH, JUST PROCEED. AND UNFORTUNATELY, JASON HAD THE RENDERINGS AND THE DIAGRAMS THAT WE WANTED TO, UH, SHOW YOU. UH, THEY WERE LARGELY REPLICATIONS OF THE SUBMISSION WE MADE LAST WEEK. AND WITH THAT IN MIND LAST WEEK, WE DID SUBMIT, UM, AS DIRECTED BY THE CHAIRMAN A LETTER, UH, UH, FROM ME TO THE CHAIRMAN THAT'S BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE BOARD AND TO THE PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEY AND WENDELL ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED BY, UM, UH, COUNCIL FOR RESIDENCE, UH, IN HIS LETTER OF APRIL, UH, OF THIS YEAR. UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT LETTER ADDRESSING THOSE COMMENTS, WE ALSO SUBMITTED A SITE SPECIFIC NOISE STUDY PREPARED BY LOUIS GOOD FRIEND AND ASSOCIATES, UH, AS WELL AS A REVISED SITE PLAN, UH, WHICH NOW INCORPORATES A SIX FOOT SOLID WOOD FENCE AROUND THE SOUTHERN BORDER OR BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE, UH, TREE PLANNING THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED. AND IS THE, THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY WITH THE POOL ADJACENT TO THAT, OR, OR IS YOU THERE? YEAH, I BELIEVE JASON MADE AN ATTEMPT TO CONTACT YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS EVER DID. HE DID LEAVE A MESSAGE ON MY PHONE. I WASN'T SURE WHETHER HE YEAH, HE DID. I TRIED TO REACH THE CALL TODAY, BUT I, I THINK HE'S BEEN TO SEE WHAT LIGHT CANCELLATIONS ON THE RENTAL. SO THE CALL, BUT NEED A RESPOND. WE DID, WE DID MAKE THE SUGGESTION TO JASON TO REACH OUT TO YOU BECAUSE YOUR HOME AND POOL ARE THE CLOSEST STRUCTURES TO THE, UH, UH, LINE, THE PROPERTY LINE. AND AGAIN, UH, THE SIX FOOT SOLID WOOD FENCE IS INTENDED FOR TWO PURPOSES TO AVOID, UH, FURTHER, UH, POTENTIAL NOISE IMPACTS FROM THE DRYERS AND VACUUMS THAT WOULD BE OPERATED, UH, AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL VISUAL AVOIDANCE. UM, AND IF AGAIN, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THE RENDERINGS IN FRONT OF YOU, IN ADDITION TO THE SIX FOOT WOODEN FENCE, THERE IS ALSO MORE INTERIOR TO THE SITE, A, UH, A, A WALL THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AS WELL. SO THERE'D BE TWO LAYERS OF STRUCTURES THAT WOULD, UH, ACT AS BOTH NOISE AND VISUAL AVOIDANCE ELEMENTS TO THE SITE. SO THAT FENCE BE ON THE TOP OF THE BERM OR WHERE, WHERE DOES IS THE, THE TOP OF THE BERM ON, ON HER PROPERTY OR YOUR PROPERTY? OUR PROPERTY, I WOULD BE ON OUR PROPERTY. SO WE'D BE POSSIBLE FOR THE MAINTEN. YEAH. YEAH. WE WOULD BE ONE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE OR SO, WHATEVER WAS REASONABLE TO PHYSICALLY INSTALL AND MAINTAIN IT, YEAH, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT, THAT WOODEN PLAN. SO IT WOULD NOT BE ON HER PROPERTY. AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE INCORPORATED WITH THE TREE PLANTINGS THAT WE ARE, UH, UH, PROPOSING AND AS ACCORDING, UH, UH, MODELED BY THE NOISE CONSULTANT, UH, WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT WOOD FENCE AND THE TREES. UH, THE POTEN, YOU KNOW, MODELING USING POINTS FROM, UH, LOCATED IN THE RESIDENTIAL BEAUTY. ONE ACTUALLY FROM, UH, UH, HER, UH, UH, SHOOTING, HITTING, NOT GO ON HER PROPERTY, BUT BASICALLY TAKING THE DISTANCE AND THE LOCATION OF WHERE HER DECK IS. AND THE MODELING SHOWS THAT WITH THE INCORPORATION OF THE WOOD FENCE, THE POTENTIAL DECIBEL LEVELS ARE EITHER BELOW OR CONSISTENT WITH THE BASELINE, UH, UH, UH, NOISE LEVELS WITHOUT THE VACUUMS AND DRYERS. AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT MODELING WAS DONE WITH BOTH THE [01:25:01] VACUUM PRODUCERS RUNNING AND ALONE, THE VACUUM PRODUCERS AND DRYERS RUNNING 42% OF THE TIME. AND THE VACUUM PRODUCERS AND DRYERS RUNNING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME WHEN THEY'D SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT 8:00 AM TO, UH, 8:00 PM UH, PERIOD OF TIME. 'CAUSE AGAIN, FROM EIGHT PMM TO 7:00 AM THERE WOULD BE NO OPERATIONS GOING ON AT THE, UH, AT THE CAR WASH. UM, SO AGAIN, WE'VE MADE THAT MODIFICATION TO ADDRESS AGAIN AN, UH, THE CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED ABOUT NOISE AND VISUAL. AND WITH THAT ADDITIONAL ELEMENT, UM, WE FEEL, AGAIN, THIS APPLICATION, UH, MEETS THE, THE REQUISITE CRITERIA FOR A SPECIAL USE, PERMANENT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL. UM, AND WE WERE, WE'RE HERE TO, UH, UH, ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT THE PLAN BOARD MEMBERS HAVE. WE, WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SINCE THE LAST MEETING? I DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SO, ON THIS, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THIS REPORT. I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION AND I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THE YEP. YES, WE DO. YEP. OKAY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE STUDY, RIGHT? YEAH. SO WE HAVE TABLE TWO A AND TABLE THREE A. SO ARE THEY THE SAME KIND OF DRYERS OR DID YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER DRYERS THAT I ASKED ABOUT, OR, BECAUSE I SEE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE, BUT I, IT WASN'T CLEAR, AT LEAST I'M NOT SEEING IT, UM, SAYS, EXPECTED A WEIGHTED SOUND LEVELS DUE TO MOD WASH AT, AND THEN IT SAYS SOUND LEVEL WITH PRODUCER PREDATOR DRYERS, OR WAS IT THE SAME DRYER BECAUSE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DROP. AM I MISSING FROM THE PROPERTY LINES WITH THE VACUUMS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH THE DRYERS WERE AT 62, BUT AT THE FIRST ONE PROPERTY LINE WERE AT 53. AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS. THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE WAS THE MODEL OF THE DRYER. IT IS THE MODEL OF THE DRYER. YES. CORRECT. SO TABLE TWO A AND THREE A THAT YOU HAVE THERE, UH, WAS AND IS, YOU KNOW, A MORE EXPENSIVE PRODUCT, UH, THAT WE'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER TO BASICALLY MITIGATE THE ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THE REAR. AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE SUBMITTED THE ORIGINAL NOISE REPORT WITH THE STANDARD STOCK DRYERS THAT ARE INDUSTRY STANDARDS. AND THEN THE PREDATOR MODEL ONE WAS THE SECOND ONE THERE WHERE YOU OBVIOUSLY SEE THE SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN THE NOISE LEVELS. AND THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE CONSIDERING IT TO USE? YES, MA'AM. CORRECT. OKAY. AND IT'S CALLED THE PREDATOR? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. FOLLOW WHAT YOU SAID. MM-HMM . I JUST WANNA CHECK THE FACT THAT YOU JUST SAID THAT THE, THAT WHAT YOU HAD WAS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD BECAUSE WE HAD ANOTHER APPLICANT THAT WAS ON FOR CAR WASH AND HAD A LOWER DECIBEL RATING AND MUCH LOWER FOR THAT. THAT WAS ON SOME OF THE SAME AGENDA MEETINGS. SO I, I, I JUST WANNA BE A LITTLE BIT SKEPTICAL OF YOU SAYING THIS ONE, THIS YOUR STANDARD BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN OTHER PEOPLE, WELL, THIS, THIS IS OUR, THIS IS THE ONE WE USE. IT'S CALLED THE BLACK WIDOW MODEL. WE USE THIS ACROSS THE BOARDS IN OUR CAR WASHES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UH, MAYBE I'LL CALL IT A MOD WASH INDUSTRY STANDARD. UH, IT'S THE ONE THAT WE USE HERE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, DUE TO THE SENSITIVITY OF THE APPLICATION HERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, AND THE CONCERN FOR THE NEIGHBORS, WE DID SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON PRODUCTS AND FOUND A PREDATOR MODEL, UM, THAT MAKES A DRYER THAT DOES THE SAME JOB BASICALLY, BUT WITH WAY LESS NOISE. UH, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE USUALLY STICK WITH OUR NORM, OUR, OUR BLACK WIDOWS. UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT OTHER PRODUCT, UH, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN SHOWN IN THE PAST OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, THAT'S THE LOGIC BEHIND THE, WHAT WE PRESENTED. ALRIGHT. SO I GUESS, UH, KIND OF A RUNDOWN, SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THE, THE PRE-WASH IS ALL INDOORS, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE OUTSIDE. CORRECT. WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES TO THE DRYERS TO BE A QUIETER DRYER. UH, INTERESTING NAMES FOR THESE DRYER, THE PREDATOR AND PREDATOR AND, UH, THE PREDATOR BEING THE LOW, THE ONE THAT GENERATES THE LOWER DECIBEL LOAD, RIGHT? YES. YEAH, MY WIDOW WOULD BE QUIETER, THE ANYWAY. UH, AND, UH, IF IN ADDITION TO THE FENCE AT THE TOP OF THE BERM TO HELP WITH THE SCREENING, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT I'M MISSING SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, AND I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS WHEN I SAW, SPOKE WITH JASON YESTERDAY, HE SAID THAT THAT HE HAS, HIS TEAM HAS BASICALLY SECURED OR IS ABOUT TO SECURE ALL THE OTHER APPLICABLE ACCOUNTING AND STATE APPROVALS FOR THE CAR WASH. I MEAN, SO I HAVE MADE A, I HAD NOT BEEN UP TO THE SITE AND I WENT AND I [01:30:01] DROVE AND PASSED, UM, THE, THE RESIDENCE HOUSE THAT HAD BEEN HERE PULLED INTO THE, I BELIEVE IT'S MIDIS MAVIS. MAVIS, RIGHT. MAVIS THAT WAS THERE AND THEN DIDN'T TURN AROUND. AND BEHIND THAT THERE'S ALSO A, A BUSINESS THAT HAS A LITTLE, UH, PARKING LOT OF JU TO THE RESIDENTIAL OWNER THERE BEHIND IT. AND THEN MY, MY COMMENT WOULD BE IS THAT IT'S A REALLY TIGHT ONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THERE'S RESIDENTIAL USERS ON, ON TWO SIDES AND EVEN FROM MAVIS PARKING LOT, YOU CAN SEE HER POOL FROM FROM OVER THERE. AND IT, I MEAN, ADDITIONAL SCREENING, ADDITIONAL MEASURES, WHETHER OR NOT THE WOOD PRIVACY PREVENTS IS ADEQUATE WITH THEIR, AND BECAUSE THAT LOT IS SO MUCH LOWER THAN A CAR OR THE LOT IN THE CAR, EXISTING CAR AVIS ARE SO MUCH LOWER THAN THE ELEVATION THERE THAT THEY'RE SORT OF LOOKING DOWN ON THAT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE AND WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING DOWN ON IT AND THEY'RE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION, WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE MIGHT LOOK, BLOCKING THE FENCE AT THE TOP IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN I WOULD FACE AT THE BOTTOM. AND WHETHER OR NOT, I GUESS I WOULD NEED TO SEE AN ELEVATION DRAWING THAT SHOWED ME RELATIVE YEAH. TO THE, THE BERM IS THE GRAY JASON, THE HEIGHT OF THE ELEVATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT JASON WAS GONNA HAVE THAT FOR YOU TONIGHT. AND UNFORTUNATELY HE IS NOT HERE. I MEAN, I JUST REMAIN A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT IT'S A VERY, VERY TIGHT LOT AND PUTTING THAT IN THERE. AND THERE IS A LOT OF ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USE AND THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A BUFFER. AND THE EXISTING SCREENING IS, IS SORT OF POUR BACK THERE BEHIND THE EXISTING MAVIS TO WHERE THOSE OTHER USERS ARE ALREADY. WE'RE NOT GONNA SHY AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S A TIGHT LOT AND IT'S A TOUGH LOT. BUT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT MY CLIENT HAS GONE OVER THE TOP IN ADDING LANDSCAPING, ADDING FENCING, WE'VE GOT THE DAYLIGHT SKY, THE LIMIT. WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE OPERATIONS AND, AND, AND THE GUIDELINES THAT CONTROL THE OPERATIONS. WE'VE JUST MADE A COMMITMENT TO GO WITH FAR MORE EXPENSIVE VACUUMS AND DRYERS THAT HAVE DECAL LEVELS THAT ARE BELOW THE BASELINE. UH, WE ARE PLANNING NUMEROUS TREES AT A 12 TO 15 HEIGHT IN THE REAR SOUTHERN, THAT THAT MATURITY WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THAT. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE MET ALL THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. I MEAN, AND THAT'S THE THING THIS LOT IS IN AC COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND CAR WASHES ARE ESPECIALLY PERMITTED USES IN THOSE DISTRICTS. AND WE MEET ALL THESE ON, ON THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND THE AESTHETICS OF THE COMMUNITY. AND YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE VARIANCE, BUT THAT'S NOT MY JOB TO MAKE A VARIANCE. BUT I'M SAYING, WOULD I WANNA LIVE IN THAT HOUSE AND HAVE A CAR WASH NEXT TO ME SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR NOT? NO, DEFINITELY NOT. IT'S, TO ME, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT BUSINESS FOR THAT AREA. AND RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED MR. CHAPMAN, THAT THAT TO THAT ISN'T A, THAT TO ME IS AN ARBITRARY STATEMENT TO SAY JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FEELING THAT'S NOT THE APPROPRIATE USE NEXT TO THOSE RESIDENCES. I MEAN, I, I I I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE PROVIDED CREDIBLE TECHNICAL DATA INFORMATION TO SHOW THAT IN FACT WE ARE AVOIDING POTENTIAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CAR WASH TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRO. AND I UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR OPINION, BUT WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT WE HAVE PREPARED AND SUBMITTED MULTIPLE MODIFICATIONS. THIS IS OUR FOURTH TIME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD ON THIS APPLICATION. AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO STILL MAKING MORE MODIFICATIONS TO ADDRESS COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. BUT IT'S OUR OPINION AT THIS POINT WE MEET ALL THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA WARNING THE QUOTE. SO, SO THE QUESTION IS, I GUESS ONE OF THE PRESSING ONES RIGHT NOW IS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN THINK OF THAT COULD BE DONE TO MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES? NO, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT REDESIGNING IT, THEY REFUSED. OKAY. SO, SO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT CAN BE CHANGED TO MITIGATE IT, THIS PROJECT'S THE ONE AS IS, IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO VOTE ON. SO WE MIGHT AS WELL AUTHORIZE RESOLUTIONS FOR THE NEXT THING WE CAN HAVE RESOLUTIONS ALREADY. HE ALREADY MADE THEM, YOU ALREADY MADE THEM. YEAH, THEY'RE EMAIL. I, I THINK THE CHA SO THE CHALLENGE THAT I FIND IS, IS WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE RENDER, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE RENDERING RENDERINGS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ELEVATION, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE BACK. APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH, UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD. SPOT AND JUST SO WE INTENDED TO HAVE THAT TO YOU TONIGHT. YEAH. AND BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCES ASSOCIATED WITH CANADA BEING ON FIRE, HE WAS NOT HERE THAT NIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK THE OTHER, I MEAN, SO THE OTHER THING IS, IS LIKE [01:35:01] RESPECTFULLY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT FORWARD TO US THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TAKEN ALL THE PRACTICAL MEASURES HERE. THERE WERE PART OF THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A HARDSHIP IS A BIT OF THE APPLICANTS CREATING, WANTING TO REDUCE THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER SO THAT SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE AND WITH THE NOT BEING WILLING TO CONSIDER OTHER ORIENT, HOW DO WE BETTER ORIENT THE SITE OR IT'S JUST A VERY DIFFICULT SITE TO WEIGH IN. AND PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WHILE SOME OF THOSE TREES AT MATURITY, WE'LL CONTINUE TO GROW AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING DURING THE, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT SOME TREES THAT WERE PROBABLY SIX, EIGHT FEET TALL AND E PUT THEM IN MY YARD AND THEY'VE BEEN GROWING THERE FOR FIVE, SIX YEARS AND THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE WORKING THEIR WAY UP THAT THERE IS A DURATION OF TIME WHERE THERE'S STILL AN, AN IMPACT TO THE ADJACENT AND THAT QUALITY LIFE. AND, AND THAT'S WHY CONSIDERATION OF THAT, WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING THE SIX FOOT SOLID WOOD FENCE TO BE INCORPORATED WITH TREE PLANTINGS. UM, CAN I, AND I JUST WANNA SUBMIT THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IRRESPECTIVELY HOW YOU WERE TO ORIENT THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS, YOU WERE STILL GONNA RUN INTO SETBACK ISSUES. THE FENCE IS GONNA GO BEHIND THE TREES, SO IT'S GONNA BE THE TREES AND THEN THE FENCE. DO YOU KNOW, WITHOUT YOUR RENDERINGS? WELL, WE COULD DO IT EITHER WAY. WE COULD, RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING THE FENCE A COUPLE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WE WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT THEN THE TREES AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE, THE, YOU GOT THE WHOLE BERM AREA AND THEN IT OBVIOUSLY DROPS DOWN FROM THERE IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK TO, SO GO ON TOP OF THE BERM BECAUSE IT'S QUITE A JOB. YEAH. YES, YES. CORRECT. SO THE FENCE WOULD GO ON TOP OF THE BERM, CORRECT? YES. THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG STATEMENT RIGHT THERE. EVERYBODY THAT FENCE ON TOP OF THE BERM. 'CAUSE IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE, THAT FENCE WOULD BLOCK THAT VIEW. SO THAT NEIGHBOR. SO, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, IF THE BOARD MEMBERS PREFER THE TREES TO BE PLANTED ON THE PROP ON OUR PROPERTY NEAREST TO THE LINE, AND THEN THE FENCE, THAT'S SOMETHING FLIES THE FENCE STAYS ON TOP OF THE RIGHT, THE HIGHEST POINT, WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT. SO WE HAVE THIS BERM, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE DRUMS HERE. WE HAVE BERM AND A FENCE AND TREES. AND TREES. ARE THE TREES STILL ON TOP OF THE BERM? SO THIS IS WHERE I'M GETTING ABLE, THIS IS, YEAH, I'M CONFUSED. SO WE ARE PUTTING IN A BERM. NO, THE BERMS ALREADY THERE. BERMS, NOT BERM SAYING THERE'S NOT ANY ADDITIONAL BERM. YOU'RE PUTTING THE FENCE ON THE CORRECT ON THE SLOPE AND THEN THE TREES ARE GOING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLOPE. NO, THEY WOULD BE ON THE UPPER TOP OF THE BERM BASED ON MY WALK ON THE SITE TODAY, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S PROBABLY 10 FEET OF WIDTH BEFORE THE PRO. IT SHOULD BE REALLY DROPPED OFF. SO THAT GIVES US PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO THE FENCE AND THE PLANTINGS ON THE TOP LEVEL. MM-HMM . SO WHEN THESE TREES HIT MATURITY, AND YOU HAVE, IF I'M RECALLING CORRECTLY, IT'S A, A MIX OF CONUS SIGNATURES. WHAT IS THE RADIUS OF THE BASE OF SOME OF THESE CONIFEROUS TREES? IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE STILL AT THE TOP OF THAT BERM FOR A FENCE? AND I, I BELIEVE SO. I MEAN, AGAIN, I BELIEVE THERE'S, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET THERE ACROSS THE TOP OF THE, OF THE HIGHEST POINT. SO YOU, YOU GET A 36 INCH, YOU KNOW, MATURE EVERGREEN TREE UP THERE WITH ITS ROOT BALL AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU'RE PROBABLY A, YOU KNOW, A FIVE TO EIGHT FOOT DIAMETER UNDERGROUND ON THOSE TREES. UM, I THINK MR. PULLMAN WANTED, WELL I, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED. I THINK MR. PULLMAN WAS ALREADY PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT HIS COMMENTS BY LETTER. YOU DIRECTED US TO RESPOND TO IT. UM, I WOULD JUST GO ON THE RECORD. THE PUBLIC HEARING'S BEEN CLOSED, YOUR HONOR, AND WE, WE RESPONDED TO THOSE COMMENTS, SIR. NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE AFRAID TO HEAR, BUT I HAVE NEW INFORMATION THAT IS BASED ON THEIR UPDATED PLANS. IT'S REALLY UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD, WHETHER YOU'RE OPEN TO HEARING FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC OR IF YOU'D RATHER HAVE THEM SUBMITTED IN WRITING SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED HEARING, WE WOULD, IF HE, IF MR. POLLMAN HAS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, WE WOULD PREFER THEM TO BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING AND US GIVEN ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THEM. ALRIGHT. I MEAN THAT'LL, SO, SO WE'LL DO IT THAT WAY AND THEN GET IT, IT KIND OF CLOSES THE DOOR ON THE RESOLUTION TODAY, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHERE WE WERE GOING ANYWAY. SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT SOLVES A FEW PROBLEMS BY DOING THEM AT DONALD JONES'S. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. OKAY. I PRESENT TWO PHOTOS. I JUST TOOK A PICTURE WITH A SIX FOOT, ONE GENTLEMAN, NEIGHBOR AND A SIX FOOT NEIGHBOR AND I PUT THEM ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE HOUSE IN THE BACKGROUND. IF YOU CAN PASS THAT AROUND, IT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE IDEA OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND I STILL THINK THE FURTHER THE TREES AND THE FENCE GO FROM THE SITE, THE LESS SOUND DAMPENING AND THE LESS OPPORTUNITY AFTER VISUAL. BUT I'LL PUT EVERYTHING IN WRITING. [01:40:01] ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A COPY OF THE RENDERING WHEN IT'S YEAH. AVAILABLE? YEAH. WHEN WE GET IT. YES. CAN WE ALSO HAVE COPIES OF THE PHOTOS WHEN WE HAVE SEQUENCE? YEAH, WE'LL GO, IT'LL END OVER AT THAT TABLE AND IT'LL GO IN FILE AND THEY'LL CAN YOU, I COULD SEND THE, CAN YOU SUBMIT THESE ELECTRONICALLY AS WELL? THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING. I'LL REACH OUT TO GERALD, I'LL INCLUDE HIM WITH THE LETTER. ALRIGHT, THANKS. AND I'LL PROVIDE COUNSEL. I DIDN'T KNOW WHO COUNCIL WAS BEFORE, THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T GET IT. THAT I THINK ONCE WE HAVE A RENDERING AND AN ELEVATION, IT'LL PAINT A CLEAR YEAH. THE CROSS SECTION THAT WE HAD YEAH. OUR ENGINEER PUT TOGETHER REALLY WOULD'VE SHOWED, WELL I'M STRUGGLING WITH WHAT IT, THE VIEW THAT THE NEIGHBORS WILL HAVE TO GET. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, KAITLYN, WHEN, WHEN YOU ASKED BEFORE, I THINK WE, THEY SAID THERE IN THE TREES WILL BE SIX FOOT AT INSTALLATION, I THINK. CORRECT. ALONG THE, THE BORDER. AND EVEN, EVEN BIGGER THAN THAT. EVEN BIGGER. I THINK WE'RE PROPOSING 10 TO 12 FEET OF HOW MANY TREES? I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER ON THAT. QUITE A FEW, BUT WE WILL, WE UNDERSTOOD ONCE OVER A HUNDRED, ONCE WE BECAME AWARE THAT IT WAS UNLIKELY JASON WAS GONNA ATTEND HERE, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS. UH, A TOTAL ON THE PLAN, RIGHT. I BELIEVE. AND OF VARIOUS SIZES THERE. YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY, I THINK THEY RANGED FROM EIGHT TO 10 TO 12 FOOTERS. MY RECOLLECTION. I THINK IF YOU COULD ALSO PROVIDE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE'VE HAD ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS HAVE GONE IN IS WHEN THINGS ARE PLANTED ON THE SLOPE MM-HMM . AND DRAINAGE IS DOWN AND OBVIOUSLY EXTREMELY DRY RIGHT NOW. THE LIBRARY THINGS HAPPEN NOW. YEAH. CERTAINLY WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO WASH DOWN THE BANK SORT OF, UH, MAINTENANCE AND KIND OF IN WHAT IS THE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE SUCCESSFUL MM-HMM . AND THAT THEY'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING IN ON THE TOP OF THE SLOPE THAT IS A BURN THERE. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU WERE TO PLANT SOMETHING THAT THAT'D BE SUCCESSFUL. SO MAINTENANCE AND INSTALLATION PLAN AS WELL AS, AND I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I REALLY WANNA UNDERSTAND IS, SO YOU'RE GONNA PUT THIS FENCE IN AT THE TOP OF THE BERM. YOU HAVE TREES GOING IN. IF IN ADDITION TO THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET OR APPROXIMATE THE ELEVATION OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, THE ELEVATION OF HER POOL, AND TO NOTICE US WHAT ALL THESE ITEMS ARE CORRECT. THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD, WOULD HELP. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE, THE TREES ARE ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE FENCE. THEY'RE GONNA BE FARTHER AWAY FROM THE DIP. RIGHT. THEY NEED TO BE IN AND THEY, WELL, ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE FENCE WOULD HAVE 'EM SURVIVE BETTER AND BREAK UP THE BALANCE. BUT THEN WHAT'S THEIR MAINTEN PLAN? IF THEY NEED TO GET UP AND WATER THEM, ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT? I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAUL A TRUCK AROUND. YOU'RE NOT GONNA PULL A HOSE OVER THE, THE FENCE. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THAT THESE, THESE ARE ALL, THESE ARE ALL OBVIOUSLY LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS. YEP. UNFORTUNATELY WITH JASON'S ABSENCE GUY, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN ADDRESSED TONIGHT. BUT OKAY. I THINK WE, WE'VE OUTLINED SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE CURIOUS ABOUT. WE ALSO GET A IDEA OF A LIFESPAN OF A WOODEN FENCE. AND WE, IT'S NOT THAT, I'M SORRY, THE LIFESPAN OF A WOODEN FENCE. WELL YOU SAID A SOLID FENCE. I DON'T KNOW. SAID IT CAN BE WOODEN TODAY. YES. SOLID WOOD FENCE AND THE MAINTENANCE ON IT. OKAY. I'M ASSUMING WE'RE BRING A TYPICAL DEFENSE DETAIL. SO YOU SAY YOU WANT A DETAIL ON THE FENCE. WHAT ARE THE SPECS OF THE FENCE? YES. OKAY. UH, BILL, UM, THERE IS, I GET SECOND BECAUSE JULY IS FULL. MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANY CHANCE WE COULD GET TO THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY? I DON'T THINK YOUR SECOND MEETING IN MEETING. UH, WE HAVE ONE MORE. WE HAVE ONE MORE. NOT, WE HAVE ONE MORE. LIKE I GOT FIVE THINGS ON MY, ON MY LITTLE SLASHER THAT I'VE BEEN, SO WE STARTED OFF WITH TWO. WE PUT ON THE TWO FROM THE WORK SESSION. RIGHT. AND DID WE DO ANDERSON? WE SET TABLE ANDERSON GOT TABLE, BUT UH, THE WAREHOUSE. RIGHT. DIDN'T WE DO THE WAREHOUSE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE NINTH? SO I HAVE NO, WE PROJECT IS 3,800 OVER, BUT I HAVE SEAN HOPKINS IS TABLING IT AND DE SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE TWO THAT WAS ALREADY ON. YEAH. SO THERE, SO, OKAY. JULY 19TH. 19TH. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO I'M MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE HUNTING STREET 21 LLC TO JULY 19TH. THANK YOU. AND MOTION BY BILL. SO CINDY, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WE APOLOGIZE AGAIN FOR JASON'S. NO, THAT'S ALL. WE'RE BACK. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME OTHER STUFF. SO, UM, WELL WE DID GET MINUTES [01:45:01] FROM THE LAST MEETING. YEAH. SARAH SENT THOSE OUT. UH, FIRST. YES. ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE MINUTES? UH, I NEED A MINUTE. YOU NEED A MINUTE? ALRIGHT. NEED A MINUTE FOR THE MINUTES? SCOTT? WAS THE MINUTE MORE THE MINUTE ON THE FIRST RIGHT? I THINK IT SHOWS UP AS CHOPPED AGAIN. YEAH. OH, LEMME DOUBLE MAYBE. UH, NO, IT'S, SO MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME WRONG EMAIL ADDRESS ON THERE NOW. NO, YOURS IS ON THERE ON THE FIRST. YEAH, YOU'RE THE RIGHT ONE. I DON'T HAVE ANY, I GOT CG GARFIELD@YAHOO.COM. YOU GOING BE YOUR SPAM OR SOMETHING? JUNE 1ST. AND, AND THE, THE EMAIL IS LABELED FIVE DASH 17 DASH 23 MINUTES ALL SO STUDENT . SO WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT, SO NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AN NOW THAT WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU, BUT IF WE COULD GET SOME SORT OF A SHAREPOINT SITE SET UP AND GET THINGS MAYBE FILED BY THE ADDRESS OR COME UP WITH LIKE SOME SORT OF LIKE FILING SYSTEM. SO INSTEAD OF EVERYTHING JUST GETTING EMAILED, WE'VE SORT OF, SORT OF SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN RUMBLING ABOUT IN THE BACKGROUND BUT FOR DISTRIBUTION TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS. SHE'S ALREADY BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT. LOOK FORWARD TO UH, HOWEVER YOU WANNA HELP US GET THERE. MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TRACK. ALTHOUGH THE WIFI IN THIS BASEMENT OH MY GOSH, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO LOAD UP YEAH. IS BAD. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AND I TALKED ABOUT WITH IT. UM, THERE'S MONEY IN THE BUDGET WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO HAVE WIFI IN THIS ROOM AND ALSO IN THE ROOM WHERE WELL WE GOT LIKE THESE LITTLE HOCKEY PUCK THAT WE CAN USE. OH, THE HOT SPOTS. YEAH. HOTS SPOTS. UM, BUT BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ANY, ANY IN HERE IN A WHILE. SO IT IS, THEY ORDER AT LEAST ONE ROUTE FOR THE THAT'D BE GREAT. THEY GOT ANY FURTHER ON INDIVIDUAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS. NOT STACKING UP OURS. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM ANY OF THAT, BUT I CAN YEAH. CHECK OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT. THAT THEY TALK ABOUT THAT WE GET A TON OF EMAILS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND, AND MY WIFE ONCE IN A WHILE AND HERE IT GOES. YOU KNOW, WHO'S THIS? WHO'S THIS? JOSH . DON'T WORRY, WE DIDN'T MENTION THIS FOR UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ASPHALT, BUT THE TOWN'S NEW WEBSITE DID, UH, COME OUT THIS WEEK AND THERE IS A NOTIFICATION OF THE ASPHALT PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE HOMEPAGE AND ALSO A CALENDAR ON THE HOMEPAGE THAT YOU CAN CLICK ON THE DATES AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE PUBLIC HEARING INFORMATION AS WELL. IT'S GOOD. IT'LL BE EXCITING. THAT WAS CHINESE. DO YOU FIND THE ? THEY BOTH WENT TO SPA, BOTH OF US. SO. OH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 'EM NOW. I FOUND A MARRIAGE TALL, TALLER. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. IS JOSH TALLER? I THINK JOSH IS DEFINITELY TALLER. MY PERSONALITY TAKES A LOT OF ROOM, BUT I TALLER I YOU TALLER ME. THIS PROBABLY JESS. RIGHT? OKAY. I SAY I CAN'T BE THE TALLEST. I AM DEFINITELY NOT ME. I CONFIDENT IN MARGO AND I CAN YEAH, BUT YOU'RE NOT ON THE PLANNING BOARD, SO, SO I'M NOT ALLOWED TO UP THE CLOCK THE CLOCK, BUT I JUST AN ENGINEER TO SO AT LEAST WE'VE GOTTA A CLOCK FOR A WHILE. NO THOUGHT THERE. YEAH. THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF JOSH OR OR AMY, ONE THING FOR OUR LAST MEETING BEFORE WE HAD YOU WAS, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO PAPER ANYMORE. AND I KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE LEGAL NOTICE GOES. SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION, AT LEAST FOR THE ASPHALT HEARINGS. WE HAVE THEM PUT THAT ON THE FACEBOOK AND ANNOUNCED THERE. BUT OTHER WAYS BESIDES THE TOWN WEBSITE AND OTHER JUST TO WHEN THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO HAVE A LISTING OR POSTING OF. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A TOWN BOARD QUESTION. 'CAUSE [01:50:01] EVERY YEAR THE TOWN BOARD VOTES ON HOW THINGS NOTIFY THE PUBLIC OF THOSE THINGS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR, SO IF YOU WANNA, YOU'RE HERE ALL DAY AND RANDY'S HERE AND OTHERS AND YOU WANNA, YOU KNOW, PUT THAT ON THE LIST OF LIKE MAYBE IN ADDITION TO IS PROBABLY GOOD THING. I KNOW THAT WAS YEAH, I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LEGAL PAPER. THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LEGAL PAPER. BUT LIKE WHETHER PEOPLE READ THE PAPER OR NOT, DOESN'T MATTER. THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE. RIGHT. SO IS HOW WE REACH THE PUBLIC. AND THE PUBLIC LIKE WEBSITE HOME PAGE ALSO MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, I DON'T SEND, I HAVE TO RENEW MINE. YOU GUYS MISSED THE, MY REALLY GREAT QUOTE A FEW WEEKS AGO. I KNEW MY SON. WELL I GET THE SUN, BUT I DIDN'T YOU HEAR YOU. SO MY, THE SUN WAS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE MY CATCHPHRASE, MY CATCH PHRASE IS AS AN ECOLOGICAL MATTER THAT IS A HOLY NONSENSE ALL OVER WESTERN NEW YORK. I SURE DID. TO EVERY NEWS OUT THAT SPOKE TO ME ABOUT STACK. OH YEAH. I HEARD YOU ON THE RADIO WHEN THEY CAME OUT. OH DID YOU? YEAH, I HAD TO DO, YEAH, SHE WON RADIO. W-R-Z-W-I-V-P-W BFO LIKE ONE OF JILL WAS HAVING. THEY'RE OUT. WE'RE WAITING, WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO READ THE MINUTES. 30 PAGES WE'RE YOU'RE READY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO DOES SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION, UM, FOR THE MINUTES? SURE. I'LL, ALL RIGHT. UM, SORRY. SO I MOVE THAT, UM, THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 17TH, 2023. UM, BE APPROVED. IT'S A MOTION BY CINDY. SECOND. SECOND BY KAITLYN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. YOU'RE UP. MOTION TO ADJOURN. THERE'S A MOTION BY DAN SECOND BY SECOND KAITLYN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIED. WE'RE VOTE, WHICH, UM, I THINK, I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE A MOUTHFUL. CAN GO BY. DO YOU WANNA WITH FIRST NAMES, LAST NAMES MORE OFTEN THAN THE INTERESTED [01:55:09] ARE YOU DOING? YEAH, I HAVEN'T SEEN IN A WHILE. YEAH, THAT'S ALL. SO IF SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD NOT THE REASON I CALL HER IF YOU THINK THAT THEN SHOULD I? AND SHE [02:00:21] YEAH. I LIKE IT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. GOOD. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, UM, SO I'M GONNA TALK TOMORROW. WHAT YOU ASKING, RIGHT? YEAH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.