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WANNA CHANGE THE FENCE.DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THAT? GO AHEAD, EXPLAIN SOME OF THE CHANGES.
UH, LOCAL STORAGE TOOK IT OVER A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND WE'RE GONNA PUT A, UH,
OKAY, SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THE CHAMBERLIN FENCE ALONG SOUTHWESTERN AND, UH, WAS
SO WOULD THERE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ADD SOME OF THAT TO KIND OF BREAK UP THE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE AS MUCH FROM THE ROAD? WELL, THOSE, THE, THE RAIL FENCE IS, IS GONNA STAY THERE.
THAT'S SHOULD COVER SOME, BUT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S A RAIL FENCE IN FRONT OF IT, AND WE'RE GONNA BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, MAYBE 25 FEET FROM THAT, I SUPPOSE, LEAVING THE FENCE.
SO YOU'RE LEAVING THE RAIL FENCE AND 20 FEET OF THE RAIL FENCE IN THE BUILDING.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE NOW IN FRONT OF THE OLD SECTION.
WE'RE JUST GONNA EXTEND THAT STRAIGHT ACROSS THE PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT, SO DOES EVERYBODY THINK ABOUT A, A WAIVER IN THAT SCENARIO? WAS THAT, DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, MARGO? NO, I THINK IT'S FINE.
ALL RIGHT, SO THEN WE'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION AUTHORIZING A SITE PLAN WAIVER FOR LOCUS STORAGE.
SO THAT'LL BE A MOTION BY BILL SECOND.
OKAY, SO NOW WHAT DO I NEED YOU TO DO? MAY YOU GO TO BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS
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I, YOU BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS.SO, SORRY, THE, THE, UH, CODE, DO WE NEED PERMIT FOR THAT? YES.
SO STOP, CAN WE SEE YOU NEXT WEEK? AND WE'LL JUST NEED TO PAY A SITE, UH, SITE PLAN AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU YOUR ACCOUNT.
IS THAT OVER WHAT WE PAID ALREADY? NO, THAT'S IN ADDITION.
AND THEN COME SEE YOU SOMETIME NEXT WEEK.
NEXT UP IS NICHOLAS HOFFMAN REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE AN AIRBNB AT 3 4 0 0 LAKEVIEW ROAD.
UM, LAST TIME WE HAD ONE OF THESE, I THINK WHERE IT GOT STUCK WAS OUR, OUR LOCAL LAW REQUIRES THAT THE LIVING QUARTER SHALL NOT CONSTITUTE A SEPARATE DWELLING AND SHALL NOT BE LEASED AS SUCH.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THIS APPLICATION THAT THIS PARTICULAR AIRBNB WOULDN'T HAVE A SEPARATE LIVING ORDERS, YOU WOULDN'T BE LEASING IT.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ONE? NO.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL JUST KIND OF GO OVER.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE APPLICATION, THEY WON'T NEED THE, IT WON'T BE A SEPARATE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT BEING LEASED AS AN ENTIRE HOUSE, SO IT SEEMS TO CONFORM WITH SOME OF THE BASIC TENANTS OF OUR LAW.
SO MY PLAN WAS TO JUST SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT, SEE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS THINK.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT FOR THE FIRST MEETING AT EIGHT IN AUGUST, WHICH IS AUGUST 2ND.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S A, A MOTION BY DENNIS.
LET SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 2ND.
SO FOR THE NEXT FEW ITEMS, THE WORK SESSION IS DESIGNED FOR SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS.
WHAT I WAS THINKING OF TRYING OUT IS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT FOR FIVE MINUTES.
IF WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT AFTER FIVE MINUTES, WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON THE REGULAR MEETING.
IF THAT MOTION PASSES, THAT'S AN INDICATION THAT WE THINK IT'S A PROJECT WORTH DISCUSSING FURTHER, IF THAT MOTION FAILS, THAT WOULD MEAN WE'D HAVE A PRETTY NEGATIVE OPINION ABOUT THE PROJECT AND WOULD PREFER NOT TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
SO FEED MORE WESTERN NEW YORK REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 197,700 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY AT 4 8 3 2 CAMP ROAD.
WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, CONDENSE IT DOWN IN FIVE MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, MIKE, SORRY TO SPRING THAT ON YOU.
IT'S, WE'VE NEVER HAD, UH THAT'S OKAY.
NINE ITEMS ON THE WORK SESSION BEFORE.
I'M PETE DECKER WITH BUFFALO CONSTRUCTION, SO REPRESENTATIVE AND THEN, UH, AND WE'LL HAVE TARA, ALICE AND BE MOORE AND, AND MIKE FROM AND BOBMAN THE ARCHITECT.
AND THAT'LL BE THE BEST WAY TO KEEP IT THERE.
I DO HAVE A LIST OF EVERYBODY, THE TENANTS IF YOU'D LIKE.
GUYS WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THAT.
MR. CLARK, MAYBE WE'LL START WITH A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE ORGANIZATION AND THE INTENDED USE OF THE, UH, PROJECT AND PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE WILL LET MIKE TALK INTO THE TECHNICAL DETAILS OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? SOUNDS GREAT, THANK YOU.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SEEING US THIS EVENING.
MY NAME IS TARA HOLS WITH SMORE.
SMORE IS THE MERGED ORGANIZATION OF THE FOOD BANK OF WESTERN NEW YORK AND MEALS ON WHEELS FOR WESTERN NEW YORK.
WE TAKE CARE OF FOUR COUNTIES, ERIE, NIAGARA CAT IN CHAUTAUQUA.
LAST YEAR WE FED APPROXIMATELY 200,000 OF OUR NEIGHBORS, 80% OF THEM IN ERIE COUNTY ALONE.
UM, WE SERVE EVERYONE FROM ZERO TO OUR OLDEST CLIENT THAT I'M AWARE OF RIGHT NOW IS 103.
AND WE DO THAT FOR A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS, BACKPACKS AND SCHOOL PANTRIES FOR CHILDREN, UH, SOUP, UH, KITCHENS, FOOD PANTRIES, GROUP HOMES, SHELTERS, HOME DELIVERED MEALS, COMMUNITY DINING SITES.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A PROGRAM TO DO JOB TRAINING FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE EXTREMELY FACING VERY HIGH BARRIERS TO EMPLOYMENT CALLED RISES.
WE'RE TRAINING IN WAREHOUSE AND LOGISTICS AND LAUNCHING A MODULE IN JANUARY TO BEGIN TO TRAIN IN CULINARY FOOD SERVICE MANUFACTURING.
UM, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 54 YEARS.
UM, WE ARE NOW OPERATING BECAUSE OF OUR MERGER OUT OF MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.
THIS FACILITY WILL ALLOW US TO CONSOLIDATE UNDER ROOF, UH, ONE ROOF, UM, INCREASING EFFICIENCY, EXPANDING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE MORE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ACROSS OUR FOUR COUNTIES.
THE SITE HAS EASY ARTERIAL ACCESS, NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST.
WE BRING ALL OF OUR SERVICES OUT TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN THOSE FOUR COUNTIES.
SO THAT ACCESS IS QUITE ESSENTIAL TO US.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE KIND OF THE KEY TOPICS UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING GENTLEMEN THINK I MISSED, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THERE'S MANY OTHER PIECES OF THE PROJECT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AS WELL.
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MIKE VAL, UH, PROJECT ARCHITECT, PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT.AND OVERALL, AS TARA WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE KIND OF FUNCTIONS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.
BUILDING IS LARGE, IT'S 200,000 PLUS SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S BROKEN UP INTO ROUGHLY THE THREE DIFFERENT USES THAT THE, UH, FEED BOARD, UH, HAS FOR THE ORGANIZATION.
ONE IS THE WAREHOUSE FOR DRY GOODS AND, UH, BOTH THE REFRIGERATOR GOODS.
ONE IS THE COMMISSARY AND ONE IS THEIR OFFICE THAT'S BROKEN ROUGHLY INTO THE THIRD ROW ACROSS THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT, UH, OUT BUILDINGS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CAMPUS.
SO WE'RE TREATING THIS MORE LIKE A CAMPUS FEEL, UH, FOR THE OVERALL SITE LAYOUT.
THE LARGE, UH, BUILDING ITSELF IS ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OFF OF CAMP ROAD.
SO IT'S NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD, IT'S BACK INTO THE, UH, THE CAMPUS ITSELF.
UM, THE FEATURES, UH, THE OVERALL BUILDING IS A PRE-ENGINEERED VALVE BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, GREEN AND UH, TANS AS KIND OF THE OVERALL COLOR PALETTE.
UH, SORT OF RUSTIC, EARTHY COLORS AND TONES AND, UH, INTRODUCING, UH, UH, CONCRETE MASON RING AS WELL.
I I KNOW WE SUBMITTED, UH, ELECTRONIC FILE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT, WANNA SEE IT UP ON THE SCREEN.
YEAH, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE RED DRAINS AND THE SITE PLAN AND, AND THAT, UM, THAT, UH, YOU PUT UP THIS BACKGROUND KIND GIVE YOU A BROADER PICTURE OF WHAT, OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, EXPLAIN.
AND, AND THIS IS WHERE NEXT TO THE CEMETERY? YEAH, NEXT TO THE CEMETERY AREA.
YEAH, RIGHT NEXT TO THE CEMETERY.
SO, SO NOT AT SOUTH SHORE, NO NO'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, I JUST GOING BY THERE.
UH, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE'S YOUR DRIVEWAY GONNA BE? I, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ONE THAT WOULD HANDLE ANY KIND OF A, A SEMI OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'D BE, THERE'D BE A NEW CURB CUT, NEW DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S A, UH, FORMAL DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE.
THE WAY THE BUILDING IS BEING DESIGNED IS WITH, UM, ONE COMMON ENTRY THAT THEN SPLITS OFF FOR COMMERCIAL AND PASSENGER TRAFFIC.
UM, THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC AS YOU'RE SPEAKING TO IN TERMS OF SEMIS, WE DO OBVIOUSLY HAVE FOOD DELIVERIES AS WELL AS FOOD GOING OUT.
AND IN TERMS OF THE PASSENGER TRAFFIC, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE OUR STAFF, BUT WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF VOLUNTEERS THAT HELP US TO ACCOMPLISH BEING MORE'S MISSION BOOTS ON THE GROUND AS WELL AS COMING TO THE FACILITY.
SO WE WANNA ENSURE THOSE ARE SEPARATE FOR SAFETY FOR EVERYBODY.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF A LEFT TURN OR RIGHT TURN ONLY OUT OF THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KINDA ROUGH 'CAUSE YOU GOT SOLD ROAD A LITTLE BIT, THEN YOU GOT 20 AND, AND I KNOW TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF ANYWHERE DOWN THERE BETWEEN THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND CAMP ROAD, UH, OR SOUTHWESTERN IS SURE.
THAT'S THAT OUR INITIAL, OUR INITIAL TRAFFIC STUDY DID NOT SHOW ANY ACHIEVEMENT TO THE, OR, OR ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE ON, UH, ON 75.
SO MY CONCERN IS IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE FOR SEMI TO GET OUT, GET OUTTA THAT AND UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ANXIOUS, THEY DON'T WANNA WAIT.
BUT, UH, IT JUST, IF YOU COULD CONSIDER THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE, I'M NOT GONNA HOLD YOU TO IT.
BUT JUST FOR THE SAFETY IT MIGHT BE, I WOULD THINK THAT HONESTLY IT'S QUITE LIKELY THAT THE LARGEST BULK OF THAT TRAFFIC WOULD BE MAKING THE DIRECT ANYWAYS.
60 BECAUSE BECAUSE OUR DISTRIBUTION IS GOING OUT ACROSS THE FOUR COUNTIES, GETTING TO THE 90, YOU WOULD BE MAKING THE RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER PRIMARY ACCESS POINT, OBVIOUSLY BEING SOUTHWESTERN, ALSO MAKING THE RIGHT.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE THE SMALLER AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
THE THING THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD GUARANTEE WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, AN EXTERNAL COMPANY LIKE TOPS OR WEBS THAT COMES AND DOES DONATIONS TO US.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CONTROL WE WOULD HAVE OVER THOSE DRIVERS, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS MOST CERTAINLY.
UM, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE LITTLE, LIKE PAPER STREET, SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT'S EASEMENT WHERE THE CELL TOWER THAT BACK THERE.
THAT, THAT IS, THAT WILL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S PART OF THE, THE CELL TOWER, UH, COMPANY THAT, BUT IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, GOOD 'CAUSE IT'S THE CORRECT THAT'S ON, THAT'S ON THE NORTH NORTH ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW.
UM, WE HAVE, IF WE COULD GET THE SITE PLAN UP, WE YEAH.
DO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY OR IS IT YES, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY.
THERE WAS THERE A TRAFFIC STUDY IN THE FOLDER? UM, YES.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT ON THE COMPUTER RIGHT NOW, ASSUMING LIKE WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE HDMI CORD.
ARE THERE ANY LIKE ZONING OR VARIANCE ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT? FROM WHAT I'M AWARE OF, THERE IS NOT, UM, DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THEY NEED TO FOR, SO, AND, AND IF WE TO DO THE
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COORDINATOR REVIEW, IT TAKES, WE HAVE TO GET THE AGENCY 60 DAYS OR IS IT 30, 30 DAYS.UM, THE ONLY ZONING THING THAT I WAS AWARE OF IS WITH THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE OR WITH THE CAMP ROAD REZONING.
UM, THEY WOULD, THERE'S A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT UNDER C TWO THAT THEIR BUILDING DOESN'T MEET.
BUT WE'LL BE SEEING THEIR PROJECT UNDER THEIR CURRENT ZONE, WHICH IS, UM, YEAH.
I, I'M ASSUMING SO THE, THAT THE, HOW, HOW FAR OFF IS IT FROM THE CHANGING THE LAW? I BELIEVE IT, IT SPLITS UP THREE MONTHS ABOUT, NO, I MEANT HOW MANY FEET? BOTH ABOUT THOUSAND.
20 FEET HIGHER THAN, THAN THANK YOU.
AND THAT PORTION, UH, JUST SO THAT YOU ARE AWARE.
SO YES, IT'S A THOUSAND FEET BACK.
THAT IS THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT'S WHERE THE OFFICE IS GOING TO BE.
THE NEXT PORTION IS THE COMMISSARY.
THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT HAS THE HEIGHT IS THE VERY BACK OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO YOU WON'T REALLY SEE THAT I DON'T THINK FROM THE ROAD OFFICE IS 20 AND THEN THE COMMISSARY IS 30 AND THEN THE WAREHOUSES 55.
AND THAT IS TO ALLOW FOR HIGH BAY RACKING TO ALLOW US TO MAXIMIZE OUR STORAGE CAPABILITIES.
UM, WE MIGHT BE AWARE, WE STORE MILLIONS OF POUNDS OF FOOD TO DISTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY.
THAT IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE METHOD TO DO IT.
SO IF WE AUTHORIZE THE COORDINATED REVIEW, WE HAVE TO GIVE 30 DAYS FOR RESPONSE TO THAT.
UM, WE GET A MEETING SCHEDULED IN 28 DAYS.
SO WE COULD, IF WE THINK WE WANNA, WE COULD SCHEDULE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
WE COULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THEM HERE BEFORE THAT FOR MORE INFORMATION OR IF WE COULD JUST GO UNTIL THEN, WHAT DOES EVERYBODY THINK? WHAT DO WE NEED? I I DON'T SEE HOW WELL WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ON SITE PLAN.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT INSTEAD OF, THAT'LL COME BACK BEFORE THEN, WE'LL JUST SCHEDULE IT FOR SEPTEMBER 6TH, THE FIRST SEPTEMBER 6TH.
I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU LET ME ASK THEM BEFORE THE PUBLIC MOSTLY, LIKE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THE EIFS YET.
AND SO I WANNA UNDERSTAND LIKE HOW MANY MORE TRIPS, WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE SITE.
UM, WHAT IF WE TALK TO DOT ABOUT THE CURB CUTS? I MEAN, IN GENERAL, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS FANTASTIC.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
'CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO GIVE DOT 30 DAYS TO RESPOND ANYWAY SO THAT EVEN IF WE PUT IT ON BEFORE THAT, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'D GET THE RESPONSE FROM DOT.
IF THERE WAS GONNA BE ONE, SO, OR OR WE COULD JUST PUT IT ON FOR THAT DAY AND NOT SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT DAY JUST TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I I, I MEAN WE COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT AND DO A PUBLIC HEARING IF EVERY, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS ALL, I JUST DIDN'T I THE PUBLIC HEARING IN, IN THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE COMPLETED YOUR SECRET THAT WAY YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
NOT GONNA PROBABLY GET A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT, HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING OR WAIT TO HEAR FROM ALL THOSE OTHER AGENCIES.
BUT THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME SO FAR ABOUT TRAFFIC, SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY GIVE DOT 30 DAYS TO RESPOND IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND, MIGHT AS WELL DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THAT.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE THE, THE MEETING WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS WILL BE THE FIRST ONE IN SEPTEMBER ANYWAY.
SO, AND IT LOOKS LIKE AN, AT LEAST VIA GOOGLE MAPS, IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD CREEK BED.
IS IT? THERE'S THERE'S NO OLD CREEK.
IT'S, IT'S A EMERAL STRING THAT ONLY OCCURS, SHOWS UP WHEN THERE IS EXTENSIVE RAIN FOR LITTLE GARAGE OR SATURATED.
SO IT'S NOT A WETLAND BACK THERE.
IT'S LIKE MATT, I I SEE YOU TELL ME ALL THE THINGS PLEASE.
HOWEVER, THE WETLANDS, SO THERE IS A TOTAL OF FIVE ACRES OF WETLANDS DIVIDED INTO TWO DIFFERENT POCKETS.
WE ARE AVOIDING THE WETLANDS ENTIRELY IN THE BUILT OKAY.
ON THE NIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS BEING BUILT ON AN ANGLE SPECIFICALLY TO MITIGATE AND RESPECT THE LAND.
SO WE ARE GOING TO DISRUPT AS LITTLE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AND WE ARE AVOIDING THE WETLANDS ENTIRELY.
THAT WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS DECISION.
UM, BECAUSE WE DID KNOW ABOUT THE WETLANDS PRIOR TO EVEN PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.
IT WAS PART OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS.
WE'LL SAVE YOU A VERY TANGLED CONVERSATION ABOUT THE TOWN'S WETLAND LAW.
THE WETLANDS HAVE BEEN DELINEATED AND SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE, THE A A PROCESS OR ALREADY.
ARE THEY FEDERAL OR STATE? ARE, ARE THEY FEDERAL OR STATE WETLANDS? THEY ARE FEDERAL.
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AS WELL.UM, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH EXTENSIVE DUE DILIGENCE AND WE DID SO PRIOR TO EVEN PURCHASING THE PROPERTY TO ENSURE WE WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MANAGE THE WETLANDS APPROPRIATELY TO ENSURE THAT THE SOIL WOULD BE, UM, APPROPRIATE TO BUILD A HEAVY BUILDING ON.
SO MUCH OF THAT WORK, ENVIRONMENTAL AND OTHERWISE HAS BEEN DONE IN ADVANCE OF, YOU KNOW, EVER EVEN GOING TO THE POINT OF HAVING ARCHITECTS DESIGN THE BUILDING FOR US.
WE'VE ALSO HAD AN, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL PHASE ONCE STUDY, DONE A SITE AS WELL.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH AND AUTHORIZE THE TOWN PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO START A COORDINATED REVIEW.
IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY.
SO THEN OUR NEXT PROCESS IS TO SUBMIT THAT WHOLE SITE PLAN? YES, PACKAGE.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HAMBURG BREWING COMPANY REQUESTING SITE PLAN DIRECTION ON A POTENTIAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT REVISION AT 6 5 5 3 BOSTON STATE ROAD.
SO THIS IS, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY.
WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES AND DIFFERENT USES, CORRECT? UM, NOT ENTIRELY, UH, PARKING SPACE.
BY I WITH MY FATHER, WITH THE OWNER AND BREWERY.
UM, WE ARE ULTIMATELY LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT A TUNNEL OR A HALLWAY TO, UM, NEXT TWO EXISTING SECTIONS OF OUR BUILDING.
UM, AND IT WOULD BE, UH, A CHANGE OF USE IN THE INTERIOR SPACE FOR ASSEMBLY.
REALLY THE, WE'RE HERE TO FIND OUT AND MOVE FOUND FURTHER INTO THE WORLD PLANNING BOARD TO CONSTRUC.
SO YOU'RE GONNA START THE TUNNEL AND THE, THE USES IN ASSEMBLY.
DOES THIS, DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED WAY BACK WHEN? OBJECT.
UM, DOES IT PROHIBIT THE ASSEMBLY? NO, PROHIBITS, I'M SORRY.
I WAS PART OF WRITING THE, THE BREWERY LAW, UNFORTUNATELY, AND THAT'S THE ISSUE WE'VE HAD IS THAT THE BREWERY LAW DOESN'T ALLOW FOR, FOR FOOD SERVICE, FULL FOOD SERVICE.
AND I, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, RIGHT? IS SOME LEVEL OF FOOD SERVICE.
REMEMBER, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WHERE IF IT'S FINGER FOOD, IT'S OKAY, BUT IT CAN'T BE FULL FOOD SERVICE.
THAT'S NOT ALLOWED UNDER THAT BREWERY.
YOU'RE SAYING A TUNNEL AND ASSEMBLY.
RIGHT? WELL, WHAT I'M ASKING IS THE ASSEMBLY FOR EVENTS AND SERVING OF FOOD.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE'D HAVE TO RESOLVE WITH THE TOWN POOL.
SO YES, THE, THE SPACE WOULD BE USED FOR SUCH.
BUT, UH, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE, THE CODE ON THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, IT'S NOT FULL SERVICE DIET, BUT, UH, IT WOULD BE USED FOR A PRIVATE EVENT SPACE ULTIMATELY.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I WANNA GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE WRITING OF THE LAW AND, AND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE BREWERY LAW.
UM, AND TRY TO CONTROL THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A RESTAURANT, NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A RESTAURANT, SUPPOSED TO BE A BREWERY AND, AND SEX REUSE BREW.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND I CAN, I CAN TALK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU CAN SCHEDULE MEETINGS ON THIS AND HERE IF YOU GET ANY PUBLIC INPUT ON IT.
WELL, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TUNNEL? WHAT'S THAT? DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TUNNEL TUNNELS? FINE TUNNELS IS A USE ON, IT'S NOT A USE, IT'S JUST CONNECTING THE PROPERTY.
BUT WE AREN'T ASKING TO USE IT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WE ARE USING IT RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE JUST REALLY ASKING TO, TO BUILD THAT HALLWAY THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE SPACE WOULD BE USED FOR, WHICH IS JUST IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.
THE, THE HALLWAY'S ABOVE GROUND.
SORRY, TUNNEL IS THE WRONG WORD.
IN MY HEAD IT'S A TUNNEL, IT'S A HALLWAY.
AND IS IT GOING TO ANOTHER EXISTING, LIKE BUILDING OR IS IT CONNECTING A NEW BUILDING? IT IS CONNECTING TO TWO EXISTING SPOTS THAT ARE ONE BUILDING.
IT'S KIND OF JUST CREATING A SHORTCUT BETWEEN THE TWO.
'CAUSE WE HAVE MANUFACTURING SPACE IN THE EXISTING CONNECTING AREA.
SO WE HAVE TO, IS THAT A SITE PLAN? I I THINK THE, THE USE ISSUE THAT'S THE TOWN CODE.
SO THAT SHOULD BE NOT REALLY OUR, OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT USE COMPLIES WITH THE TOWN CODE.
WE ISSUED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT ASKING US TO CHANGE IT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S JOB TO INTERPRET THAT.
AND IF HE'S NOT CHANGING WHAT HE'S DOING, I I THINK THAT THERE'S
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PROBABLY NO ISSUES WITH THAT.YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT GOT ON THERE.
SO WE WEREN'T REQUESTING THAT AT ALL.
DISAGREE DREW OR, YEAH, AND AND YOU'RE CORRECT.
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, ARE THE ABUSES ALLOWED UNDER THIS DISTRICT? RIGHT.
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEY'RE ALLOWED UNDER THE DISTRICT, THEN WE HAVE NO ISSUES.
AND IF, IF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SAYS THEY'RE NOT, IT'S STILL NOT YOUR ISSUE.
IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL NOT OUR ISSUE.
SO, SO WHETHER THEY SAY YES OR NO, SO, SO THAT ONE FOR UP, FOR OUR PURPOSES, PUT TO REST FOR THE HALLWAY, IS THAT A WAIVER? IS THAT A SITE PLAN MODIFICATION? WHAT DO WE WANNA DO WITH THAT? UH, EXPANDING THE BUILDING.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING IN YOUR BUILDING.
POTENTIALLY I WOULD TAKE AN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, TABLE IT FOR TWO WEEKS AND POTENTIALLY RECOMMEND A CYCL PLAN WAIVER.
EVEN EITHER THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
IT'S ON A SPECIAL NEWS PERMIT THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE CAME TO THE EVOLUTION OF RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO LET'S JUST DO THAT THEN.
LET'S PUT THIS ON FOR AUGUST 2ND.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE HAMBURG BREWING COMPANY TO AUGUST 2ND TO DISCUSS THE SITE PLAN WAIVER.
IT MEANS DO ANYTHING WITH PARKING SPACES.
IT'S UNDER THE, IT'S NOTHING SEPARATE.
ARE YOU ADDING PARKING SPACES? YES.
JUST IT JUST PART OF THE, THE WHOLE LITTLE PROJECT.
WHILE WE'RE GONNA TEAR UP SOME, UM, LAUNCH, WE FIGURED WE ADD A COUPLE SPOTS JUST FOR OUR STAFF.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF OUR EQUATION FOR THE SITE PLAN WAIVER.
OR IT MAKES IT MORE LIKELY THAT WE'LL WANNA DO A FULL SITE PLAN.
YEAH, SO, BUT WE'LL IT'S GONNA BE ON FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.
SO IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT AN ACTUAL SITE PLAN MODIFICATION, THEN WE WILL SCHEDULE A HEARING ON THAT.
AND IF WE DECIDE WE DON'T NEED IT A SECOND, UH, PARTNER, WE'VE BEEN USING THIS BUILDING.
THIS PARTICULAR SPOT WAS, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE BREWERY, UH, WAS THE FAMOUS TRAIN LAYOUT AND WHICH, UH, WE BUILT YEARS AGO.
SO WE HAVE THIS SPACE THAT YOU SEE RIGHT ON THAT DRAWING.
AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE BUILDING AT ALL.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE, THE USE.
WE'RE EXPANDING WHERE WE CAN SEE PEOPLE AND THAT'S A, AND SO WE'RE ALSO ADDING PARKING, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GETTING RID OF GREEN SPACE.
WE'VE GOT PROBABLY 40 ACRES OUT THERE.
SO RIGHT OVER THE YEARS I PLANTED PROBABLY 500 TREES ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE ALL ABOUT, IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY, WE'RE ABOUT MAKING IT LOOK, WE'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, OF WHICH PRETTY MUCH MY WHOLE FAMILY LIVES AROUND IT.
AND BUZZ WE'RE ASKING IS FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO, WE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMPETITION POPPING UP ALL AROUND THIS.
WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT WHAT WE'VE GOT INVESTED HERE.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO GET MOVING WITH THIS PROJECT.
IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING.
WE'RE ADDING MORE PARKING, WE'RE EMPLOYING MORE PEOPLE AND WE, WHAT DOESN'T SHOW ON THE DRAWING THAT WE SET YOU, WE'VE GOT PARKING FOR 150 CARS OUT BEHIND OUR BUILDING THAT WE PRODUCE.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA ADD EVEN MORE OF THE SHEAR.
'CAUSE WE DO A COUPLE BIG EVENTS.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED APPROVAL TO MAKE THE PLACE BETTER.
LOOK, IT'S NOT THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE TAKING TREES DOWN, RIGHT? AND YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE TREES DOWN FOR THE PARKING LOT.
OR DID I MISHEAR WE'RE TAKING TWO TREES DOWN AND SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT COMES INTO THIS EQUATION.
WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF TREES AROUND.
THIS DOESN'T MATTER IF WE HAVE A THOUSAND AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE GOTTA DECIDE.
WE GET THE INFORMATION AND THEN SO IF WE DECIDE WE NEED TO FULL SITE PLAN, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE WE'RE NOT REALLY DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT WE, WE WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.
WE'RE DECIDING WHAT THE PROCESS IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FOLLOW TO, TO MAKE THE DECISION.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HERE SAYING, OH, THIS IS A BAD IDEA.
WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO IT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PROCESS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW LEGALLY.
AND THAT'S A DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE.
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SO, SO, SO I UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU'RE TABLING IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND, AND WE'LL DISCUSS THE WAIVER.SO THE PARKING THAT YOUR, YOUR YELLOW PARKING SPOTS, WHAT'S THERE NOW? THERE'S UM, IT'S JUST GRASS.
AND THEN ALSO THE UM, THE ONE ABOVE THE POND, THERE'S ALSO JUST GRASS.
SO, I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THAT GRASS IS DOING VERY WELL WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY PARK ON IT.
AND SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LIKE A LARGE LOT, THERE'S JUST INCREASING THE EFFICIENCIES OF THE SPACES THEY ALREADY HAVE SURROUNDING THE AREA.
SO, I MEAN, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT AS BEING MAJOR, BUT I'M NOT USING THAT TERM LIKE IN THE PROPER MAJOR AND MINOR AND WHATNOT.
BUT TO SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE TEARING DOWN TO PUT IN A LOT.
IT'S USING THE AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY GETTING TRAMPLED AND, AND WHATNOT TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
AND THEN ALLOW FOR, BY THE WAY, THE TWO TREES ON IT ARE LOADED WITH DISEASE ANYHOW.
WOULD WITH OR WITHOUT APPROVAL OF ANYTHING, THEY'RE COMING DOWN.
I MEAN, THEY'RE LOADED WITH DISEASE AND THEY'RE DYING.
SO, UH, AND THERE'S TWO TREES RIGHT WHERE THOSE YELLOW SPOTS ARE.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANY MAJOR ISSUE WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSED.
WHAT OTHER INFORMATION WERE WE GONNA NEED? WELL, WHAT ELSE? WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE THE WAIVER.
WE SAY WE NEEDED MORE INFORMATION.
SO, UM, THE ONLY THING IS THAT I AM WHAT TYPE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF FOOD YOU WILL BE SERVING FOR THE BANQUET FACILITY? BASICALLY WHAT WE DO NOW.
THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE THERE.
WELL, AS, AS, AS PART OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN THEM IN CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO I, I THINK WE, WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO DO.
SO THIS CHANGED FROM DISCUSSING CHANGES TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DISCUSSING A SITE PLAN WAIVER.
WHAT OTHER INFORMATION WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO FOR US TO CONSIDER THE WAIVER? BRING A COPY OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, FIND OUT THE CONDITIONS OF THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WERE WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE WAIVER? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE WAIVER? WELL, SOMETIMES WE HAVE CONDITIONS PERMIT.
I'M GONNA BE STRAIGHTFORWARD, HONEST HERE.
YOU WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO SERVE FOOD THERE.
WE HAD THIS ARGUMENT 10, 15 YEARS AGO.
I THINK THERE'S NOT AN APPROVED, I THINK IT KINDA WENT AWAY.
IT'S NOT AN APPROVED USE IN THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT DISTRICT.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A CHANGE THAT I WAS INVOLVED.
I WASN'T THE LAST TIME YOU VISITED THAT BECAUSE WHAT'S THAT? 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S BEEN CHANGES IN THAT AND I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR SURE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO OPEN, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
I'M JUST MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT TO AUGUST 2ND SO WE CAN GET WHAT WE NEED TO GET BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING MORE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO RESOLVE TODAY.
THEY ARE NOT GONNA BE HEARD TODAY.
SO ITEM NUMBER SIX, TORONTO PROPERTIES, LLC REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY 110 STREET SEAT RESTAURANT AT 6 6 6 6 GOWANA STATE ROAD.
CHAIRMAN CLARK, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, JOHN HOPKINS OF A LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS SURGEON MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT PERENNIAL PROPERTIES.
SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THIS WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO YOU DURING YOUR WORK SESSION MEETING ON FEBRUARY 15TH.
SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO PRESENT ONCE AGAIN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THE PROPERTY AT 6 6 6 6 GOWANA STATE ROAD RENOVATE.
THAT EXISTING FORMER NURSERY SLASH GREENHOUSE IS A HIGH-END RESTAURANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS ROSS WARHOL AND HIS PARTNER IS DAVE SHUEY.
THEY'RE INVOLVED IN MANY SUCCESSFUL RESTAURANT OPERATIONS IN WEST NEW YORK, INCLUDING OLIVER'S ON DELAWARE, BRIGHTON, SMITH, GLENVILLE.
WE'RE TRYING TO REPLICATE THAT SUCCESS WITH A HIGH-END RESTAURANT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THEY INTEND TO ACTUALLY REUTILIZE THE EXISTING GREENHOUSE TO
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GROW VEGETABLES, ET CETERA.THAT WILL BE SERVED IN THE RESTAURANT.
THE SITE ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 0.71 ACRES IN SIZE.
EVERYONE GO ON TO STATE ROAD, SOUTH CREEK ROAD.
WE ARE PROPOSING, IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING, WE HAVE ELEVATION PLANTS PREPARED BY SUTTON ARCHITECTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE NEW PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED HERE.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT NOTE, THIS REQUIRES TWO VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARDROOM APPEALS.
ONE IS ANY RESTAURANT THAT SERVES ALCOHOL NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 500 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OR USE.
AND THEN SECOND OF ALL, A LARGE DEGREE, THAT SITE ALREADY HAS A TON OF PAVEMENT.
SO WE'RE NONCONFORMING, BUT WE NEED AN AREA VARIANCE FOR A PAVEMENT SETBACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, PURSUANT TO MY RECENT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEY'VE ADVISED ME THAT THE NEW REVIEW PROCESS IS WE NEED ACTUAL REFERRAL FROM THIS BOARD TO THE ZONING BOARD APPEAL.
SO WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT THIS EVENING.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, AND GIVEN IT'S RELATIVELY MINOR IN SCOPE OF THE INCREASE OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
SO WHILE WE'VE SUBMITTED A SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM THAT PROVIDES THE BASELINE INFORMATION, UH, SEEKER DOES NOT APPLY, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A PRELIMINARY PRESENTATION AND KEEP IT QUICK AND GET YOUR INPUT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, BECAUSE WE DO NEED A REFERRAL TO THE ZONING BOARD APPEALS, ASK FOR THAT REFERRAL.
IF ULTIMATELY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS APPROVES YOU REQUESTED RELIEF, THEN WE'D BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE FUTURE IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT BECAUSE, UM, THIS WAS ALSO USED NOT ONLY AS A NURSERY BUT RESIDENTIAL USE.
UH, ROSS WARHOL, ONE OF THE PARTNERS ACTUALLY WOULD BE LIVING IN THE BUILDING.
AND THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS IT JUST DEMONSTRATES AGAIN THAT THIS WILL BE UPSCALE RELATIVELY LOW INTENSITY WHILE THEY'LL BE SERVING ALCOHOL.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE OPEN AT 12 AT NIGHT, ONE IN THE MORNING, TWO IN THE MORNING.
HE WILL ACTUALLY BE LIVING ON PREMISES, WHICH ENSURES THAT HE WILL GO OUT OF HIS WAY TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF, UH, WE WOULD WELCOME HIM.
BUT OTHERWISE, ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS EVENING IS A REFERRAL TO ZONING BOARD APPEALS.
YES, DENNIS, IS THIS GONNA BE A RESTAURANT BUYER OR A BUYER RESTAURANT? ROSS, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA LET YOU ANSWER YOUR VISION INSURANCE, THE CONCEPT.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE IN HAMBURG ALL MY LIFE.
UM, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT WILL BE A RESTAURANT, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, WITH A SMALL BAR AND LOUNGE AREA THAT WILL ONLY HOUSE ABOUT 20 GUESTS.
UH, IT'S INTENDED TO HAVE COME IN AND HAVE A, A COCKTAIL BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN FOR YOUR DINNER.
YOU WANNA EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE RUSS ABOUT WHAT YOUR VISION IS? YEAH, THE ACTUAL RESTAURANT, THE FORMAT? NO.
SO, UH, THE PER PERENNIAL PROPERTIES, THE RESTAURANT, I'M GOING TO BE NAMING PERENNIAL, UH, TO PAY HOMAGE TO, UH, WHAT WAS THE BUSINESS BEFORE FOR 40 YEARS.
IT'S BEEN A LONG LANDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DUR AS FAMILY, WITH, UH, WATER VALLEY NURSERY WITH CANNED CANDLES.
UH, SO PERENNIAL, UH, ARE, UH, FLOWERS, PLANTS THAT WINTER THROUGH, UH, A HARSH, UH, WINTER AND WEATHER.
AND THEY COME BACK REGROWING EACH AND EVERY YEAR.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH OUR FOCUS ON FOOD IS CONTINUING TO ELEVATE.
UM, I'VE BEEN COOKING MY WHOLE LIFE.
UH, THIS IS A VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL PROJECT TO ME.
IT'S CULMINATION ALL, ALL MY TRAVELS, UH, TO REALLY, UH, PUT MY MARK BACK HERE IN MY HOMETOWN THAT I LOVE SO MUCH.
UM, MENTIONED A SMALL BAR LOUNGE AREA FOR 20 GUESTS.
WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER, UH, THE DINING AREA SEAT, ANOTHER 75 A LA CARTE, AND THERE'LL BE A TASTING COUNTER RIGHT ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE KITCHEN LOOKING IN WHERE THAT'LL BE THE, THE FORMAL DINING EXPERIENCE OF THE NINE 12 COURSE TASTING MENU PAIRINGS, UH, WITH, WITH WINE OR BEVERAGE AS WELL.
UM, AND, UH, YEAH, UH, THE GREENHOUSE IS INTENDED TO BE USED, UH, TO GROW, UH, VEGETABLES, HERBS THAT WE CAN USE IN THE RESTAURANT.
UH, CURRENTLY THE PAST TWO YEARS, I'VE HAD A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT GARDEN OUT THERE THAT I'VE BEEN PRODUCING FOR.
UH, MY, MY VERY FIRST EMPLOYEE STARTED TODAY.
SHE WAS OUT THERE PICKING, UH, SQUASH AND, UH, ZUCCHINIS WITH ME, UH, FOR THE RESTAURANTS, OLIVERS AND BRIGHT SMITH.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS, UH, A PASSION PROJECT IN WHERE MY HEART IS, WHERE I WANTED TO CREATE A HOMESTEAD FOR MYSELF AND MY DAUGHTER.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE AN OLIVER'S VERSUS YES.
SO, UM, NOT AS FORMAL AS OLIVER'S.
UH, IT, IT'LL HAVE, UH, A MORE, UH, SOPHISTICATED SIMPLICITY, UM, BEHIND IT.
LESS IS MORE, UH, IN MY COOKING STYLE.
UM, AND I THINK IT'LL GO WITH THAT AS WELL WITH THE FEEL, UH, NOT LOOKING FOR WHITE TABLECLOTH, BUT IT'LL DEFINITELY BE THE SERVICE AND, AND, AND FOOD FOCUSED.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR TWO VARIANCES.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO THAT PARKING LOT TO MAKE IT SO WE NEED LESS OF AN AREA VARIANCE FOR THE PARKING LOT? IS THERE, CAN WE TAKE OUT, WELL, THE REQUIRED, SO THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS 35 FEET.
SO CURRENT CLARK, IF WE WERE FORCED TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED SETBACK, I MEAN, WE WOULD LOSE IT.
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JUST, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A FEASIBLE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.SO YOU NEED THAT WHOLE SPACE FOR THIS.
WE, YEAH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE, OBVIOUSLY IN THAT AREA WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE PARKING ON SITE.
NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE CERTAINLY CAN WORK WITH THIS BOARD AS WELL AS THE CONSERVATION BOARD, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE DENSE LANDSCAPING AROUND THES.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH ROSS'S VISION FOR THIS SITE, AS YOU KNOW, FOR IT TO LOOK GREEN AND BE NICE.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THE, THE CURRENT PAVEMENT IN FRONT OF YOUR FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, THERE'S LIKE THAT GLASS ATRIUM, UH, THAT GLASS ATRIUM IS PROPOSED TO COME OFF AND RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT WHOLE AREA WILL BE GREEN SPACE.
UH, WE ACTUALLY SHR GARDENS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S THE, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THEN THE ADDITION.
IT'S REALLY TRYING TO MIMIC THE CHARACTER, THAT BUILDING KIND OF BRINGING INTO MODERN DAY.
SO IT'LL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSE BEING SPENT HERE IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE AND REDEVELOPMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMFORTABLE IF THIS IS GONNA WORK.
AND IT'S REALLY THE END OF A VERY THOUGHTFUL AND, UH, DELIVER PLANNING PROCESS.
SO IS OUR ROLE TO JUST REFER IT TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR THE VARIANCE OR TO MAKE A, INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT WE THINK THEY SHOULD DO ABOUT THE VARIANCE? WE JUST REFER IT.
WE'D LIKE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, CAN I, AND WHAT HAPPENS? WE DON'T REFER IT, ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME PRACTICAL CONSTRAINTS.
UM, REMIND ME, WHAT DO YOU NEED THE AREA VARIANCE FOR? DO WE NEED AN AIR VARIANCE? BECAUSE WE'RE A RESTAURANT THAT SELLS ALCOHOL IN THE C ONE ZONING DISTRICT, IF YOU'RE WITHIN 500 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, REQUIRES A VARIANCE MM-HMM
AND THEN WE NEED A, A, A VARIANCE FOR THE PAVEMENT SETBACK ALONG THE EDGE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AGAIN, THAT'S LITERALLY MIMICKING THE EXISTING CONDITION EXCEPT WITH THE UPGRADES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS IF I REMEMBERED FROM OUR LAST CONVERSATION, THERE WAS THE ALCOHOL ISSUE, RIGHT? SO THE VARIANCE WILL SOLVE THAT.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS ALSO A PARKING CONCERN BECAUSE THERE ARE HOW MANY SPOTS FOR 85 SEATS? THERE'S, THERE'S 40 SPACES.
THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THIS BUILDING JUST BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE 110.
I DON'T NOT CARE IF YOU ANYBODY NEEDS NO, I WANNA COOK ONLY FOR 90 PEOPLE.
SO 90 PEOPLE ON NIGHT, 90 PEOPLE AT A TIME, 90 PEOPLE A NIGHT.
SO WE'RE VERY, WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE THAT THE 40 PARKING SPACES WILL BE ADEQUATE.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY SPILLOVER ONTO THE ADJOIN STREETS.
THERE'S THIS, WELL, THERE CAN'T BE.
RIGHT? CAN YOU PARK ON, ON SOUTH CREEK? NO, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RESTRICTED, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT PRACTICAL.
I I KNOW WHEN THE WATER VALLEY WAS OPEN, THERE WAS QUITE A LINE GOING UP SOUTH CREEK.
AND SO THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION IS, DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR THE WATER VALLEY IS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? UM, I BELIEVE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, JUST IN GENERAL, IF IT LIKE THE, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PRECEDENT IS OF THE WATER VALLEY BEING ALSO VERY CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORS.
THAT WE HAVE TO, SO FOR MY SAY YEAH, MY PROPERTY LINE, SO LIKE THEY'RE OUTSIDE WALL, THEY'RE WALKING COOLER IS FIVE FEET.
SO THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT FAR OUTSIDE THE 500 FEET.
OH, OH, THEY'RE WELL, THEY'RE WELL WITHIN IT.
OH, THEY'RE, WELL, YEAH, THEY'RE, I JUST FIGURED THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN SINCE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.
THEY'RE LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET BY FAR.
WELL, WATER VALLEY'S OPERATED FOREVER.
SO YEAH, I THINK THEY PROBABLY MAYBE CREATE THAT CODE REQUIREMENT.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THAT CODE REQUIREMENT, WHAT I THINK IT BELIEVE AGAIN, ALCOHOL RESTAURANTS IS VIEWED DIFFERENTLY THAN IT PROBABLY WAS EVEN 20 YEARS AGO.
YOU'RE TRYING TO PREVENT WHAT I CALL MORE LIKE THE BAR, THE LATE NIGHT ACTIVITY, LOUD NOISE.
IT JUST, IT'S NOT WHAT WE, HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE NAMES YET? THE NEIGHBORS? YEAH.
I'M FRIENDS WITH MOST IN THE AREA.
UM, I DO HAVE A LETTER OUT AND INVITED 'EM OVER TO, FOR A NICE LITTLE BARBECUE.
I'M GONNA FIRE OUR SMOKER AND JUST KIND OF GIVE THEM THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF THE PROJECT.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR THEIR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AND CONCERNS.
UM, OR, UH, MY, UH, MY CONTRACTOR WILL BE OUT THERE AS WELL, UM, WHERE YOU CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, 'CAUSE AGAIN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THESE ARE, THESE WILL BE MY NEIGHBORS COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I GET VEGETABLES TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OLD NIKKI AND UM, UH, HER NAME ESCAPE ME NOW, BUT THE, THE OLD OWNERS IS WATER VALLEY, UM, ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY, THEY COME TO THE GARDEN AND WE, WE TALK ABOUT THE PLAN A LOT.
AND ROSS HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR LITERALLY TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'VE ONLY SEEN IT ONCE BEFORE, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS A LONG PLANNING PROCESS TO GET HERE.
SO WE FINALLY WANNA MOVE FORWARD.
WELL, I JUST KNEW WE HAD THOSE TWO KIND OF MAJOR HICCUPS TO ALCOHOL SALES AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
BUT IF YOU'RE DOING DINNER SERVICE, PRESUMABLY THE TABLES WILL FLIP AT LEAST ONCE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE 90 PEOPLE THERE OUT.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU SOLVED ALL THE HICCUPS ABOUT IT.
SEND IT TO THE ZONING BOARD THEN, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
WE, MY ONLY THE VARIANCE ON THE PARKING, SORRY, SAID EVERYTHING.
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THE PARKING ALONG ALONG SOUTH STREET, IT'S CLOSE TO THE ROAD.THAT'S WHY THEY NEED THE VARIANCE.
OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT TO BE SCREENED SO YOU DON'T HAVE HEADLIGHTS.
SO IF WE CAN USE WHEN YOU GET THE SITE PLAN AND SOME PLANNING ALONG THERE, AND THAT SHOULD BE A CONDITION OF THE DA THAT THEY PLAN ALONG THERE COULD, WE DON'T WANT HEADLIGHTS SHINING OUT.
AND IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE THAT HERE, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST REFERRING IT.
WELL, WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY HAVE, THEY CONSIDER THAT.
SO NOW WE'RE REFERRING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
YEAH, WELL, WITH A, WITH A CONDITION THAT WE PUT ON THE, UH, THAT WILL HELP THEM WITH THE ISSUE OF HAVING THE PARKING CLOSE TO THE ROAD THAT WE HAVE LANDSCAPE ALL.
WE'LL MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GO TO THE, WE'LL ACTUALLY UPDATE THE PLAN AND SHOW THAT.
AND JUST TO ADD ON TO THAT, THE, THE SERVICE OF THE PARKING LOT IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE 10 TO 15 FEET BELOW WHERE THE ROBOT IS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MUCH, THERE'S HOW MUCH GRADE GOING DOWN INTO THAT, INTO THAT LOT.
SO I FORGOT THERE, THERE ARE NO LIGHTS GOING BE POINTING INTO NEIGHBORS, CORRECT? RIGHT.
THERE'S A BIG ELEVATOR SHOW UP ON IN THERE INTO THE PARKING LOT.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S LET MAKE A MOTION TO REFER PERENNIAL PROPERTIES LLC TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR VARIANCES IT A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY DENNIS.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DOES THIS HAVE TO GO TO THE TOWN BOARD TO BE REFERRED HERE? BECAUSE IT'S A REZONING.
WE MET WITH CODE REVIEW SO IT'S GOTTA GO TO THE TOWN BOARD NOW TO REFER TO YOU.
SO IT'S, I MEAN NOW THAT IT'S ON THE AGENDA AND ANTHONY STUFF AROUND FOR
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS ANTHONY DANIELLE FROM OIL WASH.
WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING IN CONNECTION WITH A PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF TWO CONTIGUOUS PARCELS, INCLUDING THE PARCEL LOCATED AT THE SOUTH INTER NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF LAKE SHORE AND LAKE, WHICH IS 32 33 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
JUST TO ACCLIMATE EVERYONE ON WHAT THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY, YOU HAVE THE FORMER AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE STATION COLLISION SHOP HERE AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE VACANT EMPTY BOTTLE REDEMPTION CENTER HERE, ALTHOUGH AS I INDICATE THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE'S FILLED WITH HUNDREDS OF CANS AND BOTTLES, UH, ANTHONY AND HIS COMPANY HAVE ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THIS SITE, WHICH CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.
AND IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED M THREE.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS REZONE OR DOWN ZONE THIS PARCEL TO C TWO TO ACCOMMODATE A PROPOSED SINGLE TUNNEL STANDALONE CAR WASH BY ROYAL WASH.
WE ARE SHOWING ONE CURB CUT ON THE LAKE SHORE CURRENTLY.
THERE'S NUMEROUS, BASICALLY UNDEFINED CURB CUTS.
THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING, THERE'S NO GREEN SPACE.
THERE ACTUALLY MAY BE SOME CONTAMINATION WITH THE FORMER GAS STATION.
SO WE THINK THIS WILL BE A COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL.
UM, WE DID PRESENT IT TO THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE DURING ITS MEETING THIS AFTERNOON, WHICH CHAIRMAN CLARK WAS PART OF, AND THE SUPERVISOR HAD A COUPLE OF GOOD COMMENTS FOR US TO CONSIDER.
INDICATED THE TOWN'S WORKING DILIGENTLY.
LOOKING AT THIS AREA, I'D LIKE TO SEE A SIDEWALK EXTENSION ALONG LAKE AVENUE AND SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, WHICH OF COURSE WE WOULD WELCOME THAT INPUT.
AND AGAIN, WHY IT'S REZONED M THREE OR FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHY IT'S ZONED M THREE.
AS YOU KNOW, THE BETHLEHEM STEEL MUCH LARGER SITE, APPROXIMATELY 165 ACRES IS LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND US.
SO THE EXISTING USES REALLY WERE NONCONFORMING TO BEGIN WITH.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE, THE SITE, LOOK AT ITS CONFIGURATION AND LOCATION AT THAT INTERSECTION, THERE IS AN ABSOLUTE 0% CHANCE THIS EVER GETS REDEVELOPED PURSUANT TO THE M THREE ZONING CLASSIFICATION, WHICH IS A TOWN'S MOST INTENSIVE, UM, INDUSTRIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION, ENVISIONING VERY HIGH INTENSITY INDUSTRIAL USES, WHICH THE TOWN HAS A HISTORY OF HAVING IN THAT VICINITY.
SO I THINK THERE IS AMPLE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE REQUESTED DOWN ZONING.
THIS WILL GO TO THE TOWN BOARD INITIALLY TOWN BOARD WILL REFER IT BACK TO YOU.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, AS YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD WILL HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REZONING AFTER IT RECEIVES A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FROM MS BOARD.
SO WE JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN INITIAL, VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW.
WELCOME ANY INPUT YOU HAVE, AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE FUTURE.
THE ONE THAT YOU PUT UP ON SOUTHWESTERN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT, ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING AND YOU HAD PURPLE AND PINK AND ORANGE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAY DARK SKY COMPLIANT, WE MEAN FOR ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
I GUESS NOW THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WENT OUT, WE STRAIGHTENED 'EM OUT, BUT I, I'D HATE TO HAVE TO SEND THEM OUT OVER THERE 'CAUSE I REALLY WASN'T HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
IT WASN'T THOSE LIGHTS WERE, THEY CAME IN MULTICOLORED AND, AND, AND VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
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WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.I THINK IT WAS BE WHAT WAS THERE.
WE CAN ASSURE YOU THAT ON, ON THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE DARK SKY.
WE'LL MAKE SURE, ARE YOU GONNA MAINTAIN THIS OR ARE YOU GONNA TURN THIS ONE OVER OR IS THIS GONNA BE SO, SO THE WAY, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FAIR QUESTION.
SO I'M WITH ROYAL WASH DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? WE BUILT THE ROYAL CAR WASHES, UH, WE OPERATED THE ROYAL CAR WASHES WHEN WE GOT TO, AND I, AND I THINK I DID TOUCH ON THIS TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROCESS ON THE LAST ONE, UH, WE, WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE WE HAD OVER 300 EMPLOYEES, UH, WHICH IS MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CONSIDER OURSELVES A KIND OF A SMALLER LOCAL COMPANY OUT OF WESTERN NEW YORK.
UH, A LITTLE MORE THAN WE COULD MANAGE AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU KNOW, HUMAN RESOURCES STUFF JUST GETS BIGGER THAN A SMALL GUY SHOULD BE HANDLING.
SO WE PARTNERED WITH GO CAR WASH.
SO GO CAR WASH HANDLES THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITIES.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE STILL INVOLVED.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE THE GUYS ON THE GROUND.
WE'RE THE GUY WHO GET THE CALL FROM THE SUPERVISOR, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT GUYS AND, AND HAVE TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, GO CAR WASH OF NEW YORK IS THE OPERATOR OF THE CAR WASHES.
OTHER THING, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE BUILDING THAT BEEN UTILIZED SUCCESSFULLY IN MANY OTHER LOCATIONS AND I THINK, THINK THAT WILL BE A WELCOME ADDITION TO THAT AREA.
I THINK THAT'LL CERTAINLY BE THE NICEST BUILDING, AT LEAST DOWN THERES FOUR CORNERS THERE THAT'S REALLY A DEPRESSED AREA.
SO, WELL, AND I DON'T MEAN IT IN A NEGATIVE WAY.
I, I, I, YEAH, I THINK ANTHONY GETS SOME CREDIT.
YOU KNOW, THOSE PARCELS HAVE BEEN SITTING THERE IN DEPLORABLE CONDITIONS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME AS YOU KNOW, DENNIS.
AND HE'S GOING TO STEP UP AND NOT ONLY PAY A SUBSTANTIAL PRICE TO PURCHASE THESE PARCELS, TAKE ON ANY CLEANUP THAT WOULD BE NEEDED, THEN MAKE AN ADDITIONAL MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO, AND, AND OUR HOPE IS THAT THE REST OF THAT CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME, BUT IT'S GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A GOAL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS A REZONING, THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO RECOMMEND IT TO US.
WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION RIGHT NOW.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WANTS US TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD? ALL ALL QUESTIONS ARE SITE PLAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GET IN RIGHT THROUGH IT TONIGHT.
MOSTLY JUST ABOUT LIKE THAT PART OF RUSH CREEK.
THE LAKE RIGHT THERE IS REALLY GNARLY.
SO I'D WANNA, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE GROUND MIGHT BE BAD, SO I JUST WOULD WANNA HEAR A LITTLE MORE ABOUT LIKE WHAT'S GOING UNDERGROUND, WHAT KIND OF LIKE CONTAMINATION ARE WE TALKING? IS, IS THIS A BROWNFIELD? AND WE'RE JUST DOING THOSE, WE'RE JUST DOING THOSE INVESTIGATIONS, THAT'S FOR SURE.
NOT A CONVERSATION FOR RIGHT NOW.
AND OF COURSE ANTHONY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
HE'S GONNA BUY THIS PROPERTY, HE'S GOTTA MAKE SURE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE THAT IT'S GOOD TO GO.
YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT CORNER, SO.
THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING US.
OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FELLOW ATLANTIC MOBILE SYSTEMS, LLC REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO INSTALL AND OPERATE A WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY ONTO A REPLACEMENT UTILITY POLE NEAR 5 6 0 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
SO THIS IS, WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING UP A
ALRIGHT, SO MY NAME IS JEFF WOODY.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH PEA BUDDY HERE ON BEHALF OF BELL AL SYSTEMS. HELLO, LL CS LLCS DOING BUSINESS IT VERIZON,
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A REPLACEMENT UTILITY POLE, UH, ON TOP OF WHICH A SMALL WIRELESS SOLID COMMUNICATION CELL WILL BE ATTACHED.
UH, THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE PROJECT ONCE INSTALLED WILL BE ABOUT 43 FEET.
AND REALLY WHAT THIS IS GOING TO HELP WITH IS CAPACITY ISSUES THAT VERIZON WIRELESS IS FACING, UH, WITHIN THIS PART OF THE TOWN.
UH, IT'S REALLY EXACERBATED, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, THE TIME OF THE FAIR.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WHAT VERIZON DOES IS THEY HAVE A, A REMOTE, UH, WIRELESS TELE COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY THAT THEY BRING OUT ON A TRUCK, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HELP FILL IN SOME OF THE COVERAGE GAPS THAT THEY FACE.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHEN YOU HAVE HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN A LOCATION, YOU KNOW, ALL WITH THEIR PHONE AND PHONE TRYING TO MAKE A PHONE CALL, TRYING TO SHOOT A TEXT, TRYING TO ORDER UBER THAT OVERWHELMS THE SYSTEM AND MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT, UH, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY USER PUMP.
UM, SO THIS WILL HELP IN NOT ONLY DURING BARE SUIT, ALSO YEAR ROUND.
UM, AND IT'S A, IT'S A FAIRLY MINOR PROJECT WE BELIEVE.
UH, SO WE ARE ALSO SEEKING A SITE PLAN WAIVER IF POSSIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT WORD TO PRESENT THAT TO, UH, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, TAKE ANY INPUT.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I, I WAS THINKING THESE, THESE ARE REGULATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
IT'S LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THEM.
SO MY PLAN WAS TO JUST SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
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DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF LIKE THE RADIUS OF LIKE THE, YOU SAID THAT IT WILL END UP HELPING LIKE THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND AND SO FORTH, BUT IT LOOKS AS THOUGH IT'S LIKE KIND OF LIKE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FAIRGROUNDS.IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THIS PICTURE, YEAH, SO THIS, THIS SERVER IS DEDICATED FOR THE FAIR.
UM, THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE PROJECT CAME ABOUT FROM DURING FAIR TIME IT GETS, IT GETS BAD.
UM, YOU GUYS ARE RESIDENTS YOU MIGHT KNOW, BUT IT DOES GET BAD DURING THE FAIR.
SO AS FAR AS PROXIMITY, WHEN THE FAIR IS NOT IN SESSION, IT'S GENERALLY ABOUT A THOUSAND.
SO 1200 FEET AWAY FROM THE SPOT MM-HMM
UM, SO IT'S REALLY WITHIN PROXIMITY OF THAT AREA.
AND THERE ARE MAPS, UM, IN EXHIBIT F THAT REALLY SHOW, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENT OF COVERAGE WILL BE PROVIDED BY THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, FOUR
SO I THINK THING THAT WILL BE ADDING THE BENEFIT ALL THE TIME IS OBVIOUSLY THE FAIR SEEMS TO BE THE CATALYST, BUT IT WILL BE ADDING BETTER SERVICE ALL THE TIME.
AND IN LAYPERSON'S TERMS, WE WE'RE GOING UTILITY POLE TO SLIGHTLY LARGER UTILITY POLE.
LIKE THAT'S THE AESTHETIC DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE IF IT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET A ADDITION, YOU REPLACE A POLE AND IT'S MORE THAN FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BUT IF IT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET, IT'S REPLACING THE POLE, IT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET.
YOU DON'T NEED THIS BOARD'S APPROVAL.
YOU GET A BUILDING, READ THE CODE, WROTE IT.
WELL, I MEAN SCHEDULE LESS THAN FIVE FEET OVER, OVER THE EXISTING POLL AND YOU DON'T NEED OUR APPROVAL.
DON'T NEED A SLIGHT PLAN WAVE OR ANYTHING.
I WILL SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING ANYWAY AND THEY CAN DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN SCHEDULE.
SO, SO I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 16TH, WHICH I THINK IS DURING THE FAIR
SO FORTUNATE HEIGHT WISE I CAN SPEAK TO, I MEAN, HEIGHTS ARE DRIVEN BY RF AND WHAT THEY NEED, UM, IF YOU LOOK OR IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE AT THE LOCATION, YOU'LL NOTICE WHERE THE ELEVATION IS LOWER.
SO YOU KIND OF NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT TO GET WHERE HE WANTS TO PROPAGATE.
SO, SO IT'S MORE THAN FIVE FEET, RIGHT? MORE THAN FIVE.
YOU'RE GONNA HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON SITE PLAN AND ESPECIALLY USE PERMIT.
YOU NEED VOTE FOR POLL OVER, OVER FIVE FEET OVER THE, OVER THE REPORT.
SO THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CINDY.
ALRIGHT, LAST, UM, LAST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS CARL NEA REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION AT 58 NORTH SHORE DRIVE.
THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THAT ONE.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME, EVERYBODY.
UH, CURRENTLY I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HAMBURG FOR 22 YEARS.
UH, MOST OF MY TIME HAS BEEN SPENT IN THE MILITARY DEPLOYMENTS.
WE MOVED HERE, UH, RIGHT BEFORE NINE 11 AND OF COURSE GOT CALLED UP TO ACTIVE DUTY.
UM, MISSED THINGS, RAISED FIVE OUTSTANDING DAUGHTERS, UH, IN THIS TOWN WHO WENT TO THE SCHOOLS, ENJOYED LIVING HERE AND WITH THEIR FRIENDS AND WORKING.
AND THEN FROM THERE, UH, MOVED ON TO OF COURSE, BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS, UH, ESPECIALLY MOVING OUT OF MY SMALL LITTLE HOME THAT I HAVE.
UM, CURRENTLY I LIVE AT 58 NORTH SHORE DRIVE AND, UM, LIVE IN HOOVER BEACH, WHICH IS, UH, KIND OF UNIQUE PLACE IN ITS OWN.
IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT, UH, IT'S NICE TO RAISE YOUR KIDS.
UM, I HAVE NOW BECOME A GRANDFATHER TO TWIN BABIES AND MY DAUGHTER WHO IS LIVING, UM, OUT OF THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE BACK HERE, UM, BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO BE CLOSE TO ME AND, UH, HER MOTHER AND, UH, RAISE HER KIDS HERE.
AND, UM, SHE FELT IT WAS A BETTER FIT THAN BEING WHERE SHE'S AT.
NOW THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WAS OUTSTANDING.
FRONTIER, UM, GREAT EDUCATION.
SHE FEELS THAT THE KIDS WILL BE, UH, BETTER OFF HERE IN THE TOWN.
UM, HER AND HER HUSBAND, OF COURSE, UM, WILL ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIVE HERE AND SPEND MONEY AND BECOME RESIDENTS AND, UM, AND BE CLOSE TO ME, OF COURSE, GRANDPA.
UM, WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO IS SPLIT THE PROPERTY AT 58
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NORTH SHORE AND, UM, TRANSFER THAT OVER TO HER SO THAT SHE COULD BUILD, UM, A SMALL BUT MODEST HOUSE.UM, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION I DO BELIEVE IN REGARDS TO PROPERTY SIZE, WHAT COULD BE PUT THERE.
AND, UM, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UM, DO WHAT THE TOWN REQUIRES AS FAR AS, UM, SIZE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THERE IS A SMALL GARAGE STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, UM, WHICH I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN TAKING DOWN, WHICH WAS, WHICH WAS A POSSIBILITY OR A REQUEST FROM, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND AS, UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SHED, WHICH ACTUALLY THAT'S GETTING MOVED BACK TOWARDS MY, NEAR MY HOUSE.
'CAUSE I DO NOT LIKE TO WALK IN FIVE, 10 FEET OF SNOW TO GET MY SNOWBLOWER.
SO I'M ACTUALLY MOVING THAT CLOSER TO THE HOUSE.
SO BASICALLY, UH, THE PROPERTY, UM, WILL HAVE REALLY NOTHING ON IT EXCEPT, UH, WHATEVER, UH, TREE, UH, SMALL TREES AND BUSHES AND SHRUBS THAT ARE ON IT.
AND, UM, I'M JUST LOOKING TO SEE, UH, ABOUT CHANGING, UM, THE PROPERTY AND THEN EVENTUALLY HAVING HER BUILD ON IT, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT PHASE.
SO, UH, PART OF OUR ROLE AT THE WORK SESSION IS TO LOOK AT THESE AND, AND KIND OF GIVE THE APPLICANT DIRECTION ON, UH, EASY OR DIFFICULT.
WE THINK THE PROJECT'S GONNA BE, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL LOT AND TO BUILD ANYTHING ON IT IS GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF VARIANCES.
AND WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, DENNIS? WELL, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO DO UTILITIES, SEW OUR WATER.
THEY'RE HAVE TO GO EVENTUALLY.
AND AGAIN, I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU WATCH YOUR GRANDKIDS, BUT IF IT'S THAT TIGHT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO DO IT FOR DOWN THE ROAD.
IF, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE DON'T DO IT.
THE UTILITIES ARE ON HOOVER AND ON BRITAIN.
UH, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE IN THE GROUND WIRE, UH, ELECTRICAL'S THERE, GAS, WATER, SEWER.
AND THERE IS NOTHING NEXT DOOR TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, MATTER OF FACT, IT DOESN'T EVEN GO IN LINE WITH ANYTHING.
UM, WHO OWNS IT? UH, THAT WOULD BE LAUREN BUENO AT 56.
THERE IS A GARAGE, UM, IN THE BACK THERE, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, UH, WHERE THE, WHERE THE PROPERTY IS SPLIT, AS YOU CAN SEE, I HAD IT SURVEYED ALREADY AND WHERE THE PROPERTY SPLIT, THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT THERE IS THE HALFWAY MARK WHERE, WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THEIR GARAGE IS.
SO DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU WOULD POSITION A SMALL BUT MODEST HOUSE, UM, IT WOULD STILL BE OUT OF THE WAY OF ANY OTHER STRUCTURES.
AND OF COURSE, I'M AT A CORNER, SO THERE'S NOBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT TO GO FORWARD.
THAT'S, THAT'S A DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE.
UM, YOU SAID EARLIER YOU'D WANT TO DO WHATEVER THE TOWN REQUIRED.
WELL, IF YOU DID WHAT THE TOWN REQUIRES FOR SETBACKS, YOU CAN'T FIT ANYTHING THERE.
SO, SO YOU, SO IN ORDER TO BUILD SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO DO THINGS THAT OTHER THAN WHAT THE TOWN REQUIRES, WHICH IS DIFFICULT, IT'S NOT EASY.
SO I THINK, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO ON SUCH A SMALL SPACE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE EASY TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND I JUST AM, AM LETTING YOU KNOW.
IT WAS, IT WAS SUGGESTED AT IT AT ONE POINT BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IF IT WAS TO GO FORWARD, THE SMALLEST YOU COULD PROBABLY BUILD IS 15 WIDE, UH, TOWARDS THE BACK, UM, WHERE THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, HAS BEEN SPLIT.
UM, I CAN'T SEE THAT VERY WELL, BUT IS THAT, IS THAT MY ORIGINAL OR IS THAT, IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE SURVEY I GAVE YOU GUYS? YEAH.
SO WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS SPLIT THERE, UM, THE HOUSE, THE MAIN HOUSE THAT'S THERE IS ABOUT 80 FEET, ROUGHLY 80 FEET BALCONY LINE, I THINK.
AND THEN YEAH, ROUGHLY AROUND 80 FEET.
AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE 44 UH, FEET, 54 INCHES OR SO IN BETWEEN.
THEY SAID YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO COME OUT, BUT IF YOU NEEDED A VARIANCE, YOU'D PROBABLY GET A VARIANCE ON THAT CENTER LINE.
AND THEN YOU COULD BUILD SOMETHING
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THERE ABOUT 15 WIDE AND THEN COME DOWN THE CENTER.AND THEN BASICALLY FROM HOOVER ROAD, THAT WOULD BE ALL NOTHING BUT DRIVEWAY OR, OR WHATEVER.
SHE'S NOT LOOKING TO PUT A GARAGE UP.
SHE DOESN'T LIKE GARAGES, SHE'S JUST LOOKING TO PUT A HOUSE.
SO THE GARAGE IS OUT OF THE QUESTION.
IT'S JUST A SMALL, MODEST, UH, HOUSE.
I MEAN, IT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING I SAID.
GIVES YOU, YOU CAN DECIDE HOW YOU WANNA PROCEED.
IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS VERY DIFFICULT.
YOU, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT VARIANCES, SO RIGHT.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT BOARD.
YOU HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF TO GET THOSE VARIANCES.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THEM COME INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TOMORROW, THE NEXT DAY, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO APPLY FOR THOSE VARIANCES MET.
THERE WERE CRITERIA OF MEETING WITH THEM FIRST.
YOU CAN APPLY FOR YOUR VARIANCE AND YOU'RE GONNA APPLY FOR THE VARIANCES FOR THE LOCKS.
AND THEN IF THIS BOARD APPROVES THE SUBDIVISION AND WHEN YOU GO TO BUILD A HOUSE, YOU'RE GONNA ALSO GET VARIANCES BECAUSE THEY WON'T MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
SO FIRST, IF THE VARIANCE ON THE LOT SIZE, THE LOT SIZE, THE REQUIREMENT IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
NONE OF THOSE LOTS ARE GONNA 99 SQUARE FEET.
THE WEIRD PART ABOUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN TON BEACH, IF YOU GO TO THE ESS GIS MAPS OR WHATEVER, THEY DON'T SHOW ANY PARCELS.
SO HOW, LIKE, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN ITS OWN PARCEL.
LIKE HOW IS IT? WELL, HE HAD, HE OWNS, HE HAS A SURVEY, HE OWNS THAT PIECE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY.
IN HOOVER BEACH THEY SHOW NO PARCEL.
THE COUNTY'S TAX MATCH SHOWED NO PARCELS DOWN THERE.
I'M SURE YOU GET ALL INDIVIDUAL TAX BILLS, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT DOESN'T GO TO THE BIG GROUP.
IT GOES, EVERYBODY GETS THEIR OWN TAX BILL.
MATTER OF FACT, WE SWITCHED OVER, WE NOW PAY OUR TAX BECAUSE ONE OF THE CRITERIA ZBA IS GONNA LOOK AT IS LOOKING AT THE OTHER LOTS IN THE AREA.
I COULDN'T LOOK AT THE, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, ARE THERE OTHER LOTS IN THE AREA THAT SMALL? I CAN'T TELL BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LOTS THERE TO TELL IN SOME TYPE OF PERSPECTIVE.
IF, IF HOOVER BEACH WAS NOT DEVELOPED AND SOMEBODY CAME BY AND SAID THEY WANNA DO THE PLAN, THAT'S THE EXISTING LAYOUT, WE WOULD SAY NO, THOSE HOUSES ARE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER.
THEY DON'T MEET ANY OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
SO EVEN TO, TO RECREATE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN WOULD VERY LIKELY SAY NO TO RIGHT NOW.
SO TO, TO MAKE IT EVEN TIGHTER, IT'S, IT'S A BIG ASK AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, THE ANSWER'S GONNA BE YES AT THE END.
YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, THE 10, IT'S 10,000 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? CORRECT.
FOR A LOT SIZE FOR, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, SIR.
SO HYPOTHETICALLY, WHAT IF I WERE TO RESURVEY THIS AND MOVE THE MY THAT CENTER PROPERTY LINEUP? DOES THAT, DOES IT, DOES THAT CAN'T, DOES THAT MAKE A PROBLEM THEN WITH THE MAIN HOUSE? OR CAN I MOVE THIS AND GIVE, GIVE MYSELF ANOTHER 2200 SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT.
YOU'RE TAKING A LOT AND SPLITTING IT INTO TWO LOTS.
EACH LOT HAS TO GET ITS OWN VARIANCE.
IT'S LIKE, EVEN THOUGH THE EXISTING ONE, YOU'RE CREATING TWO NEW LOTS, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A HOUSE ON ONE.
SO EACH LOT HAS TO MEET THE ZONING REQUIREMENT.
EVEN WITH THE, EVEN WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S ON THERE, IT'S GOTTA BE, THERE'S ZONING.
SO BASICALLY IT'S KIND OF A, A TOUGH ROAD TO, THERE'S A LOT WHY WHEN YOU GO TO MEET WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, HE'S GONNA LIST ALL THE VARIANCES AND YOU'RE GONNA APPLY FOR ALL THOSE VARIANCES AND THE ZBA ISS GONNA DETERMINE WHETHER THAT'S PRACTICAL OR NOT.
THERE ARE FIVE CRITERIA AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
YOU PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THAT.
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS MEETING, THERE ARE QUADS I JUDICIAL BOARD, SO OKAY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'LL DO THEN I'LL STOP IN TOMORROW AND GET THE VARIANCE INFORMATION AND THEN, UM, GO AHEAD AND I HAVE TO LY GET MY, GET AN ATTORNEY AND THEN GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS WITH THAT.
SO, BUT THERE ARE LOTS THAT ARE IN HOOVER BEACH THAT ARE SMALLER.
FIND THAT OUT BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND THAT OUT.
THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG THING TO SAY.
THERE ARE OTHER LOTS OF THIS SIZE.
THERE'S YEAH, THERE'S ACTUALLY SMALLER, THERE'S FIVE, THERE'S FIVE LOTS THAT YOU CAN AT LEAST SEE THE LOTS BETWEEN THOSE AND THE WAREHOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE THOSE ON THE COUNTY CHECK MAPS.
RIGHT? THEY'RE SIX INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND THEY ARE RIGHT.
THAT'S THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE.
YEAH, THE OTHER SIDE, THE COUNT.
YEAH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL RESEARCH.
I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE CLOSEST LOT OF, DOES IT FIT IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? DOES IT FIT WITH OTHER LOTS OF THAT SIZE? SO OKAY.
OKAY EVERYBODY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND UH, HOPEFULLY I'LL SEE YOU AGAIN SOON.
OKAY, WELL LET'S, UH, LET'S GET INTO THE REGULAR MEETING.
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TO THE JULY 19TH MEETING IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD LIBERAL.PLEASE RISE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL D AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, PAT DE CHRISTOPHER REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO LO TO BE LOCATED AT 1 8 1 4 NORTH CREEK ROAD COMING UP.
CAN WE, IS THAT WHERE YOU STILL HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE CABLE? UH, NO WORK.
IT SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN YOUR FILE.
ALRIGHT, LEMME GO THROUGH MY STUFF.
ALRIGHT, WELL I GUESS BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO THIS IS A SUBDIVISION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
CINDY, PLEASE NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE FOUND CHAMBER MEETING, NOTICE THIS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLAYING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSAL BY PAT DE CHRISTOPHER TO SUBDIVIDE 1.01 ACRES OFF 8.0 ACRE PARCEL AT 1 8 1 4 NORTH CREEK ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JULY 19TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'M PACKED TO CHRISTOPHER.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAD WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PROJECT? ALL RIGHT, FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANYBODY HERE, UH, ABOUT THE PROJECT LOCATED AT 1 8 1 4 NORTH CREEK ROAD OR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME? ANY COMMENTS ON THE SUBDIVISION AT NORTH CREEK ROAD? OKAY, BEING NO COMMENTS, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE SEEKER AND PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE WERE, WE GOT THESE AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, ANY ISSUES THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS BEFORE I READ THE RESOLUTIONS? WE WAIVING SIDEWALKS HERE.
UH, NORTH CREEK I WOULD SAY YES.
YEAH, ON NORTH CREEK, ABSOLUTELY.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL LEMME JUST GET INTO IT THEN.
SEEKER IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY PAT DE CHRISTOPHER TO BE LOCATED AT 1 8 1 4 NORTH CREEK ROAD.
BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW OF THE SUBMITTED MATERIALS AND INPUT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO THERE'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY SECOND.
WHAT'S THE DATE OF THE LETTERS? I DON'T DO LETTERS FOR TWO.
THERE'S NO ENGINEERING IN THE ACCEPTED PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
THE HAM PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR THE PET, THE CHRISTOPHER TOLO SUBDIVISION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION AND WAIVER, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED.
FINALLY, HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WAIVES THE COMPLETION OF A FINAL PLAT AND THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ONCE THE TOWN ENGINEERS SIGN OFF ON THE, THAT THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY SECOND.
JUST DIDN'T GET, SHE'S JUST SO QUICK WITH THE SECOND.
NO, I NEVER FEEL THAT PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
REVIVE WESLEYAN CHURCH REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
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BAYVIEW ROAD.SO THIS ONE ALREADY HAS SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? NO, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS IN BAYVIEW.
WHAT'S THAT? SEE, WIPE ME NOW.
WELL THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT.
WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE OR AFTER PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO IT BEFORE THE PUBLIC
YOU GONNA BE BUILDING A HOUSE THERE, CORRECT? THERE, THERE'S A CURRENT HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU'RE GONNA SELL THAT I TAKE IT.
NOW IT THE OTHER ONE SUPPOSEDLY ADMINISTERS AND THAT LIVE IN THOSE, CORRECT.
SO THOSE ARE NON-TAXABLE, BUT THIS ONE HERE IS GONNA BE TURNED OVER AND THEN IT WILL BE, YOU'RE NOT SELLING IT TO ANOTHER CHURCH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT SIDEWALKS ON BAYVIEW? I DON'T THINK SIDEWALKS EVENTS, UNLESS I CAN SEE WHERE THE OTHER 74 ACRES THAT THE CHOSE CHURCH OWNS.
BECAUSE IF THEY OWN THE REST OF BAYVIEW, THEN WHAT IS THE POINT IN PUTTING SIDEWALKS ON ONE ACRE? 'CAUSE THE CHURCH ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE.
WELL, IT'S A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION, SO WE CAN HAVE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH LOTS.
WAIT, CAN WE HAVE 'EM ON BOTH LOTS? THAT'S A HUGE ASK.
IT IS A LOT OF SIDEWALK, BUT LOT'S, A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S 90 FEET OF ROAD FOOT FRONTAGE ON THIS PARTICULAR, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS 90 FEET OF SIDEWALK? NO.
WELL, BILL'S SAYING, BECAUSE YOU'RE CREATING TWO PARCELS, WE CAN HAVE YOU DO SIDEWALKS ON BOTH PARCELS.
SO THERE ARE OTHER PARCELS THAT SEPARATE THESE TWO JUST SO YOU, SO THERE'D BE 90 FOOT PIECES SIDEWALK.
THERE'D BE THREE PARCELS WITH NO SIDEWALK.
AND IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, THERE'D BE SIDEWALK BY THE CHURCH.
THERE'S A CARVE OUT FOR SOME OF THE OTHER HOUSES.
SO WE IN THE TOWN SIDEWALK PLAN, THERE'S LIKE PRIORITY SIDEWALK AREAS.
IS THIS TARGETED AS ONE OF THEM? I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.
I DON'T THINK THEY'VE FINISHED IT YET.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN ASSIGNED FOR THE DOWN RIGHT.
SO, SO WE'RE, WE ARE GOING TO DO A SIDEWALK PLAN, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A SIDEWALK PLAN AS OF TODAY.
THOSE ONE WE WANNA DO IT RIGHT.
MARGO'S UH, ENTHUSIASM FOR SIDEWALKS PROBABLY SAYS SHE'D BE HAPPY TO SIT ON THAT COMMITTEE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL WHAT WE'LL DO IS LET'S JUST GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING WHILE WE THINK ABOUT THE SIDEWALK QUESTION.
DO YOU WANNA HAVE A NOTICE? NOTICE IT'S HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED ON THE, ON A PROPOSAL BY REVIVE WESLEYAN CHURCH TO SUBDIVIDE APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE OFF OF 74 ACRES AT 5 1 3 3 BAYVIEW ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JULY 19TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
RIGHT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REVIVE WESLEYAN CHURCH TWO SUBDIVISION.
WAS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT PROJECT? ANYBODY WITH AN OPINION ON THE SIDEWALKS? SO I DO HAVE THE TAX MAP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WAY, WAY, WAY TOO TINY TO SEE.
UM, BUT SO THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE THAT TO ME.
UM, DO YOU WANNA SEE THE SIDEWALKS? YEAH.
UM, WE STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING GOING, SO I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THAT WHILE YOU DO THAT, UH, FOR THE SECOND TIME, ANYBODY THAT HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY PROJECT, ANY COMMENTS RELATED TO WESLEYAN CHURCH SUBDIVISION? I'M STILL CLOSE.
I'M ASSUMING IT WASN'T ON THE LAST RIGHT, BUT WE PAUSE THAT.
SO BEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I IMAGINE YOU'RE CARVING OFF THIS ONE, CORRECT? IT'LL START, UM, AT 51, 23
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WILL BE 90 FEET OF ROAD FRONT.THAT TOTAL SPACE IS AROUND 200.
WELL, YOU HAVE A GENERAL IDEA.
THE CORD GUY ALL WE'LL NEED A NEW CORD AND THEN YEAH, SO WE, SO WHERE IS MCKINLEY IN THIS OUT? YOU WOULD END UP WITH, YOU WOULD HAVE SIDEWALKS HERE, DIFFERENT OWNER, SIDEWALK JUNK, DIFFERENT OWNER CARVED OUT PIECE, OTHER OWNER.
BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE ON BAYVIEW.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR THESE SIDE? WELL, LET'S, WE COULD ASK.
OR IS IT ALSO MCKINLEY? BECAUSE THAT'S THE CONTINUOUS OTHER, THE PARCEL.
MCKINLEY I THINK IS ONE OF THE AREAS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON OTHER SIDEWALK, THEY WANT SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT, PARTICULARLY LIKE THE BLAZEDALE MCKINLEY MALL AND THEN CONTINUE ON.
AND I THINK IF YOU KEEP GOING FROM THERE, BY THE TIME YOU GET TO LIKE CRUMBLE, BE IN LIKE THE TOPS.
YEAH, THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE OCCASIONALLY PEOPLE THAT WALK AT LEAST ALONG THE LITTLE STRETCH.
RIGHT? I FEEL LIKE IT'S TOO FAR REMOVED AND ALSO GOING TO BE NOT A GREAT PEDESTRIAN AREA.
BUT PEOPLE ARE, BUT ALSO I DON'T, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE BAYVIEW IS GONNA TURN INTO A PE PEDESTRIAN AREA, PUT STAR THINGS, SIDEWALKS THROUGH SIDEWALKS FROM THE TWO DRIVEWAYS OF CHURCH WOULDN'T BE THERE.
BUS AWFUL OVER THERES, THERE'S THIS, IT'S A SIZEABLE CHUNK OF PARCEL AS WELL.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD BE NERVOUS ABOUT IS HOW DO WE WANT HANDLE THE RUSH CREEK CROSSING? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS RELATIVE TO, THAT'S RUSH CREEK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.
THE BLUE PIECE, THE PIECE THEY WANNA TAKE OFF IS RIGHT, BUT THIS NOT EXISTING SORT OF DRIVEWAY THING.
SO IT'S NOT NEXT TO RUSH CREEK.
I I WAS SAYING I JUST WANT DO SIDEWALKS AND I WOULD BE WANNA BE CONCERNED ABOUT ISN'T THERE A GUARDRAIL RIGHT THERE? I THERE'S NOT.
I WOULD, SO MCKINLEY PARKWAY, THERE IS SEVENTH STATE ROAD OR A COUNTY ROAD THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA DO ABOUT BAYVIEW.
IT'S PRETTY SPREAD OTHER THAN LIKE, MILLER'S FARM STAND IS NOT A BAYVIEW IF YOU KEEP GOING, RIGHT? IS THAT BAYVIEW REALLY ONLY I DON.
WELL, I MEAN, ARE THERE FOUR PEOPLE THAT FEEL STRONGLY FOR OR AGAINST SIDEWALKS SO THAT IT'LL HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT WE, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IN CASE REALLY STRONGLY IN EITHER DIRECTION.
JUST I WOULD SAY NO UNTIL THERE'S LIKE A, A LARGER PLAN.
SO LET'S READ THE RESOLUTIONS SEEKER IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY REVIVE WESLEYAN CHURCH.
BE LOCATED AT 5 1 3 3 BAYVIEW ROAD.
BASED ON PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW OF THE SUBMITTED MATERIALS AND INPUT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUE.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EDAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
THAT IS A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CALIN.
THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR THE REVIVE WESLEY CHURCH TWO LOT SUBDIVISION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION AND WAIVERS, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED.
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HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WAIVES THE COMPLETION OF A FINAL PLAT AND HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT ONCE THE TOWN ENGINEER SIGNS OFF ON THE PLAT.THAT IS A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY SECOND.
ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT STEP IS THE ENGINEERING
SO YOU, YOU'RE ALL SET WITH US, SO THANK YOU.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
LIOR MANAGEMENT REQUESTING A SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON A WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT BUR PARKWAY.
ARE THESE DOCUMENTS IN LIKE PRINTED HERE AS WELL? DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE THERE IT WASN'T LOADING ON THE YEAH, IT'S NOT LOADING.
OR THIS IS FOR PARKWAY, PARKWAY WAREHOUSES FOR SOME REASON.
JUST THIS FOLDER ISN'T LOADING.
UM, DON'T UP THERE NOW THE FILE, THE FILE.
I'VE BEEN HAVING WEIRD ISSUES WITH THE INTERNET.
NO, EVERYTHING'S BEEN WORKING SO FAR EXCEPT FOR THIS.
IS IT JUST A REALLY BIG FILE? IT JUST SAID THAT INTERNET EVERYTHING SAID IT, IT, THIS HAPPENED TO ME JUST EARLIER TODAY ON LIST
I JUST HAVE NO IDEA WHAT JUST NOW HERE WE OPEN IT UP.
NOTICE HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY LIOR MANAGEMENT TO CONSTRUCT A WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT TO LOCATE, TO BE LOCATED AT
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON LIOR MANAGEMENT.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS WAREHOUSE PROJECT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYBODY THAT HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT? THE WAREHOUSES ON BURKE PARKWAY FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY COMMENTS ON THE WAREHOUSE PROJECT IN BURKE PARKWAY? ALL BEING NO COMMENTS.
I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOTHING, NOTHING ONLINE EITHER.
UM, NOT EXCELLENT, BUT YOU MINUTES SKI FIVE VIEWERS TODAY FOR NOT MY COMPUTER.
WELL, WE GOT MORE THAN FIVE EARS.
UM, ANY, YEAH, ANYTHING WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT? THE NEXT STEP ON THIS ONE WOULD BE TO AUTHORIZE RESOLUTIONS SO WE COULD VOTE ON OUR AUGUST 16TH MEETING.
UM, ANY COMMENTS WE WANNA MAKE? ANY CONDITIONS WE'RE THINKING OF? WELL, AN ISSUE THAT YOU CAME UP WITH YOUR LAST MEETING, THAT ONE OF THE INPUT FROM THE HIGHWAYS WE'VE GOT.
I WE'LL, WE'LL, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL REACH OUT.
YOU HAVEN'T TALKED, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THAT I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHRIS DID, BUT, UM, I MEAN, I KNOW NALYTICS JOB BASIC, MAKE SURE HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE DOING OUT ON PARK.
TALK ABOUT IT AS WHERE IS THIS ROAD GOING TO? IT'S THE, THE PUBLIC ROAD ENDS AND THEN THAT'S GOING, IT'S PRIVATE, PRIVATE IN FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN IT'S THE PAPER STREET AFTER THAT.
SO IS THERE ANY SORT OF LIKE PLANNED TURNAROUND
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AT THE END OF IT? YEAH, SO LIKE EMERGENCYTHEY CAN USE THAT TO PLOW SNOW OFF, TURN AROUND AND EXIT BACK OUT.
AND THEN ON THE SITE WE DO PROVIDE AN EMERGENCY TURNAROUND FOR FIRE TRUCKS AND EMERGENCY ACCESS AND SNOW.
THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE FOR THE SNOW.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
IS THAT THE YEAH, SO THE THOUGHT, THE EASEMENT EXTENDS INTO THE GREEN SPACE HERE.
SO THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THE PLOWS CAN COME PUSH THE SNOW OFF THE ROAD AND THEN BACK.
USE THE, USE OUR STATEMENT HERE TO BACK UP AND EXIT BACK OUT.
WILL THE BUFFALO CORNHOLE CLUB REMAIN AS FAR AS NO, EVERYTHING THAT IS THERE IS REMAINING AS IS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, YOU OKAY TO AUTHORIZE RESOLUTIONS? YES.
UM, SO I GUESS A QUESTION BEFORE I DO THAT, UM, WHEN WE PUT BELLA ATLANTIC MOBILE SYSTEMS ON FOR AUGUST 16TH, AS I SAID, THAT'S DURING THE FAIR.
UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE HERE AT THAT MEETING? 1, 2, 4.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE ALL GONNA BE AT THE FAIR.
IS THAT WHAT YOU START ABOUT? UM, WELL, I'M GONNA BE ON VACATION.
I FOUND OUT THE VICE CHAIR'S GONNA BE ON VACATION THAT WEEK TOO.
BUT YOU GOT FOUR, SO WE'LL BE ALL RIGHT.
WHO THE MEETING? WHAT, WHO RUNS THE MEETING? FIGURE IT OUT.
I DON'T SAY THE SECRETARY ALL.
SHE'S THE, SHE'S THE VICE VICE CHAIR.
ALL RIGHT, SO THEN I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE LIOR MANAGEMENT TO AUGUST 6TH AND AUTHORIZE THE TOWN PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS.
UH, AUTHORIZING THE TEMPLE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO HAVE RESOLUTIONS PREPARED FOR AUGUST 16TH.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HUTTON STREET 21 LLC REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL OF A CAR WASH FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 5 3 6 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
MY NAME IS FRANK
REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT BUTTON WITH ME IS ROB SPEK, UH, REPRESENTATIVE BUTTON.
AND TONIGHT WE HAVE JASON ATKI FROM STONEFIELD ENGINEERS.
IF YOU RECALL AT THE, UH, LAST MEETING, IT WAS MR. 'CAUSE OF THE UNUSUAL WEATHER CONDITIONS.
JASON, UH, COULDN'T MAKE IT UP TO THE MEETING AND WE GET STUCK AND SOMEWHERE IN THE POCONO.
UM, SO AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE UNABLE TO PROVIDE YOU RENDERINGS OF THE SITE IN PARTICULAR.
I THINK, UH, THE MEMBERS WERE INTERESTED TO SEE THE REAR OF THE SITE WITH RESPECT TO THE PLANTINGS, UH, THE FENCE, THE SIX FOOT WOODEN FENCE THAT WE WERE INCORPORATING WITH THE TREE PLANTINGS, AS WELL AS, UH, UH, RENDERING, SHOWING THE ELEVATION, UH, AND, AND THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
UH, THE RESIDENTIAL LOSS AND OUR, OUR PROPERTY.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JASON.
DO WE, SORRY, DO WE HAVE THIS AS A PDF PUT ON SCREEN SO THAT THE PUBLIC WHO'S HERE TO SEE THIS SINCE UNFORTUNATELY WE DID NOT PROVIDE THEM IN P SO THESE HAVEN'T BEEN SUBMITTED THOUGH.
I ASK THE RESIDENTS TO MOVE UP HERE.
YEAH, YOU HAVE MOVE IT UP SO WE CAN SEE THAT BETTER.
SORRY, YOU'RE HAVE TO PASS THAT PASS AROUND.
IS THAT, DO YOU WANT PASS ONE? YES.
YEAH, I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR AWAY.
YOU FINISH YOUR TALK AND THEN YOU PASS AROUND.
SO THIS IS THE SAME EXHIBIT THAT WE SHARED, I BELIEVE BACK IN OUR APRIL MEETING.
UM, THE FIRST TWO VIEWS YOU SEE HERE, THE TOP ONE IS BASIC FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
GOING WITH THE CAR WATCH WILL BE LOOKING LIKE THE SECOND VIEW.
ON THE BOTTOM HERE IS FROM SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
YOU CAN SEE THE STREET TREES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ALL THE EVERGREEN BELT RING ALONG THE WESTERLY
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PROPERTY LINE, AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBOR HOUSE THERE AS WELL.PRETTY TO THE BACK HERE, THE TOP VIEW AGAIN IS OF, UM, THE NEIGHBOR HOUSE AND THE WESLEY PROPERTY LINE FROM SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE VIEW ON THE BOTTOM HERE.
SO THIS IS OF THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION, ESSENTIALLY COMING FROM THE CORNER HERE, UM, HIGHLIGHTING WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY DEPICTING.
SO WE TRY TO MODEL EXISTING CONDITIONS OR WHAT THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND THE EXISTING POOL ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING OUR FENCE, SIX FOOT SAW SOLID FENCE, AS WELL AS ALL THE EVERGREEN BUFFERING ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE.
UM, HAPPY TO PASS THIS AROUND AS I PULL UP IN THE CROSS SECTION EXHIBIT.
AND THE FENCE AND THE TREES ARE ON THE TOP OF THE BERM, CORRECT? IS THAT, SO THEY ARE ON OUR PROPERTY.
THEY WOULD BE ON THE TOP OF THE BURN.
THAT IS ONE RENDERING OF HOW THE FENCE COULD BE.
SO THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE HAS ALL OF THE EVERGREENS IN FRONT OF THE FENCE.
THE FENCE BASICALLY BUTTS OUR PROPERTY, UM, BUT IS ACTUALLY ON OUR PROPERTY.
THE SECOND ONE HERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WHERE YOU HAVE THE EVERGREENS WITH THE FENCE IN THE MIDDLE OF 'EM, UM, KIND OF INTERMINGLED.
WE'RE REALLY OPEN TO EITHER, UM, SOLUTION HERE, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING BOTH AS AN OPTION.
SO AGAIN, THAT WOODEN FENCE WOULD BE SIX FOOT, SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
IT'D BE LOCATED ON OUR PROPERTY AT THE PEAK OF THE BURN.
AND WE WOULD MAINTAIN IT SINCE IT WOULD BE ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS WOULD NOT HAVE TO MAINTAIN 'EM, HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF, OF THE FENCE.
IS IT WOOD OR IS IT VINYL? IT WOULD BE WOOD.
BECAUSE THOSE IMAGES HAVE IT LOOK LIKE VINYL.
I THINK THAT'S JUST THE IMAGERY OF THE COMPUTER.
I ACTUALLY LIKE THE FENCE ON THE, UH, CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBOR AS OPPOSED TO THE TREES FIRST.
WE, UH, WE ARE WILLING TO DO EITHER OPTION, UH, AND IF THE BOARD WOULD PREFER A VINYL FENCE, WE WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL.
WE JUST FIGURED THAT THE, YOU, UH, WOULD PREFER A WOODEN FENCE.
THINK MAINTENANCE WISE, YOU MAY PREFER A VINYL FENCE.
SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE STUFF STILL THROUGH THESE TREES.
AND THESE ARE TREES WITH LIKE FULL GROWTH, RIGHT? BUT THERE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN STILL SEE ALL, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS JUST THE ONE PORTION OF THE WING WALL THAT'S ONLY THE PARA PIT, THE ACTUAL BUILDING PLATE.
THE ROOF LINES AT 16 FEET, THE ACTUAL PARA PIT GOES UP TO BUILDING SEVEN FEET.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL BE VISIBLE.
UM, OVER THERE, HERE WE, HERE IS A CROSS SECTION THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.
THIS KEY MAP KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHERE THE ANGLE WE'RE ACTUALLY LOCATING.
SO WE'RE SHOWING ALL THE WAY FROM SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ALONG THE SOUTHERN LANE PROPERTY LINE.
BASICALLY STARTING ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, YOU'LL HAVE OUR STREET TREES ALONG WITH ALL OF OUR PARKING WITH THE CAR WASH UP FRONT.
AND THEN AS YOU GET TO THE REAR, YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE.
UM, ESSENTIALLY OUR PROPOSED CAR WASH IS ABOUT 10 FEET LOWER THAN THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
UM, BUT WITH THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING ALL RANGING BETWEEN 12 TO 15, HIKE 12 TO 15 FEET IN HEIGHT AT MATURITY, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING GRADE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE THAT'S AROUND SEVEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO OUR HOUSE.
UM, BASICALLY ALL THE OPERATIONS WILL BE BUFFERED, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
I'M HAPPY TO PASS THIS AROUND AS WELL.
AND YOU MEANT THAT YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE, WHAT HEIGHT WOULD THE TREES BE AT RAMPING? THE TENSION AT PLANTING WILL BE SIX TO EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT.
UM, AND THEN AROUND 10 YEARS THEY'LL GET THE FULL MATURITY AT AROUND 12 TO 15 FEET.
AND ARE, ARE YOU INTENDING ON PLANTING EVERGREENS OR IS THAT NOT THEY'RE ALL EVERGREENS.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD REMIND, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS IS THAT THE LAST MEETING, UH, COTTON COMMITTED TO THE PREDATOR EQUIPMENT TO BE USED AT THE CAR WASH, WHICH IS A FAR LESS A LOWER DECAL LEVEL.
AND THAT WILL REMAIN PART OF THE SITE PLAN, AMENDED SITE PLAN AT THIS POINT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT WITH THE MODIFICATIONS WE MADE WITH THE SITE PLAN, THE PLANTINGS, THE SIX FOOT WALL, THE COMMITMENT TO THE PREDATOR EQUIPMENT,
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THE DATE DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING, THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR, THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN ALL, UH, PRACTICAL MEASURES TO AVOID ADVERSE NOISE AND LIGHT IMPACTS AS WELL AS VISUAL IMPACTS RESULTING FROM THE SITE.AND, UM, WE FEEL THAT WE NOW HAVE MET ALL THE CRITERIA FOR THE SPECIAL USE MENT APPROVAL.
AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE BOARD, UH, MOVE FORWARD AND, AND BOTH THAT RULE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY IF WE DO APPROVE THIS DEFINITELY HAS TO BE THE, UH,
I GOT ONE IN MY BACKYARD THEY PUT UP A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND IT MAKES I LOOK REALLY BAD.
THERE'S THE RAIN AND THE WOOD DEFINITELY GOTTA BE A BETTER QUALITY.
ALRIGHT, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA TAKE THEM PIECE BY PIECE AND I PLAN ON DOING A ROLL CALL VOTE UNLESS THERE'S BRING UP BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I SAY SOMETHING.
UM, IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
RIGHT? SO, BUT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THE REVISED PLANS, THERE'S BEEN NO PUBLIC INPUT ON THE REVISED PLANS LAST TIME, UH, THE APPLICANT'S STATE'S ATTORNEY
WELL, I, I'LL WELL, I'LL ASK, I'LL ASK A YES OR NO QUESTION.
UH, DO THE REVISED PLANS CHANGE YOUR CLIENT'S POSITION ON THE PROJECT? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I SHOULD NOTE THAT WE DID RECEIVE A COPY OF MR. COLEMAN'S LATEST CORRESPONDENCE.
AND OUR FEELING IS WE ADDRESSED THAT ALREADY IN OUR MAY 30TH CORRESPONDENCE TO THE BOARD.
AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST FEEL THAT THOSE ARE REALLY THE OPINIONS OF MR. PULLMAN AND THERE WAS REALLY NO TECHNICAL INFORMATION PROVIDED TO SUPPORT HIS OPINIONS AND CLAIMS. SO, ALL RIGHT.
UM, THE DEPICTION SHOWS THE FENCE ON MRS. RODRIGUEZ'S PROPERTY AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT FENCE IS PLACED ON OUR PROPERTY.
CORRECT? THESE ARE RENDERINGS.
WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
UM, FIRST RESOLUTION WOULD BE A SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, THAT WOULD BE US SAYING THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
UM, SO WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM HUTTON STREET 21 LLC TO CONSTRUCT A CAR WASH AT 5 3 6 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS DONE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT SITE PLAN APPROVAL, A CONSTRUCTION OF THE CAR WASH, WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE CAR WASH IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO THAT IS A MOTION THAT I MADE.
SO WE'LL SAY THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL CLARK SECOND, AND THAT WOULD BE SECOND BY CINDY.
AND AS I SAID, I'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, UH, MARGO NO, FOR JUST FOR THE RECORD.
UM, IF IT'S NOT IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE PLANNING BOARD DID GO THROUGH PART TWO, THE A, IDENTIFY THOSE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND ASK FOR THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
AND BASED UPON THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YOU'RE MAKING THIS DECISION JUST FOR THE RECORD.
AND, AND THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD FLAGGED AS CONCERNS WERE NOISE, COMMUNITY, CHARACTER, VISUAL IMPACTS, I BELIEVE WERE THE ISSUES, THE BIG ISSUES.
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SO CINDY, YES.SO, BUT THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION FAILED FOR IT TO TWO.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR A POSITIVE DECLARATION, SIMPLY, SIMPLY THE SAME RESOLUTION, EXCEPT WE WOULD IDENTIFY AT LEAST ONE ISSUE THAT THE FOUR VOTING MEMBERS THAT SAID YOU BELIEVE MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO WE WILL SAY, AND THERE'S NO AUTOMATIC, YOU HAVE TO PASS THE RESOLUTION.
SO SAY NOISE, COMMUNITY, CHARACTER, OH, THE FOUR MEMBERS THAT VOTED, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT YOU BELIEVE ARE SIGNIFICANT MAY BE SIGNIFICANT VISUAL COMMUNITY CHARACTER, I GUESS THE POSITION THAT RESOLUTION PASSES, OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER RESOLUTIONS WE DON'T MOVE ON TO, WE WOULD FILE THAT NOTICE OF A POSITIVE DECK, RIGHTLY HAVE THE MINUTE DRAFTING DOCUMENT UPON THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED.
SO LET ME, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT SLOWER TO TRY AND MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT.
SO, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM HUTTON STREET 21 LLC TO CONSTRUCT A CAR WASH AT 5 3 6 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS DONE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SITE PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE CAR WASH WILL, MAY, POTENTIALLY, MAY, MAY, MAY, MAY, MAY, MAY POTENTIALLY ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, AND IS INCONSISTENT BASED ON THOSE, BASED ON POTENTIAL IMPACTS RELATING TO POLLUTION, NOISE, COMMUNITY, CHARACTER, AND VISUAL IMPACTS.
IF I MAY INTERJECT, WAS POLLUTION ONE OF THE, UH, FACTORS? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MR. CHAPMAN BROUGHT UP.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY BROAD TERM.
IS THERE, THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC? YEAH, THE, THE CHEMICALS BLOWING FROM THE CARWASH INTO THE NEIGHBORS AND ONTO THE TREES.
AND WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CLARIFY THAT IN A SCOPING DOCUMENT ANYWAY.
SO, UH, NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE CAR WASH MAY RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND THAT A POSITIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THE PLANNING BOARD A POSITIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR CAN BE AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE PART ONE, TWO AND THREE AND THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR CAN BE AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE PARTS ONE AND TWO AND THREE.
SO, OKAY, SO THAT'S UH, MOTION BY DENNIS.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE, KAITLIN MCCORMICK, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL.
OKAY, SO THAT RESOLUTION PASSES FORWARD TO TWO.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DATA DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL OF A 96 UNIT TOWN HALL SUBDIVISION ON VACANT LAND WEST OF BRIARCLIFF.
SO WE'VE GOT, UM, HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS, UH, LET THE APPLICANT UH, KIND OF BRING US UP TO SPEED WITH WHERE WE ARE.
SO GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT ATO DEVELOPMENT LLC ALSO WITH ME AND PROJECT ENGINEER ANTHONY PPE FROM CARINA WOOD DESIGN.
AS MANY AS YOU RECALL, WE WERE LAST HERE DURING YOUR SECOND MEETING IN MAY IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.
AT THAT MEETING AS WELL AS YOUR MEETING I BELIEVE HELD
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ON APRIL 4TH, WE PRESENTED AN UPDATED PLAN.SO THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS, CONSISTED OF 96 ATTACHED TOWN HOMES FOR SALE 'CAUSE IT FOR SALE.
THIS REQUIRES, UM, SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, MEANING WE'RE GONNA CREATE ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL UNITS FOR SALE BASED ON THE INPUT AND BASED ON A MORE DETAILED PERMANENT OPEN SPACE ANALYSIS FOR WHAT WE CALL THE OVERALL QUARRY PROJECT, WE NOW ARE PRESENTING AN UPDATED PLAN WHERE WE'VE SCALED THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 57 UNITS.
AND THAT'S A COPY OF THE PLAN THAT WE PRESENTED DURING YOUR APRIL MEETING MAY MEETING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ELIMINATED ONE OF THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS ON THE BRIAR CLIFF, WHICH WILL BE REPLACED WITH A TWO FAMILY HOME FRANCISCO GARRETT.
WE'VE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE, DRAMATICALLY INCREASED THE SETBACK FROM THE BUFFERS FROM THE REAR OF THOSE TOWN HOMES FROM THE REAR OF THE HOMEOWNERS ON BRIARCLIFF DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT COMPLIES WITH THE EMERGENCY ACCESS REQUIREMENTS PER APPENDIX D OF NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE.
THERE WERE SEVERAL FOLLOW UP ITEMS THAT YOU ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT DURING YOUR MEETING IN MAY.
AND I WANNA GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT WE SUBMITTED SINCE THEN.
ON MAY 22ND, ANTHONY PANDOLFI PREPARED A VERY DETAILED STORMWATER SUMMARY LETTER CONFIRMS THAT WE'RE WELL AWARE OF AND WILL COMPLY WITH BOTH THE STRINGENT STORMWATER, ITS QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS OF THE DEC.
OBVIOUSLY THE FULLY ENGINEERED CLEARANCE WILL NEED TO BE VETTED AND REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY
WE ALSO SUBMITTED A COPY OF A LETTER, UH, WITH A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT REPORT PREPARED BY CONSOLIDATED MAY 14TH, 2021.
AND THAT CONFIRMED THAT THERE ARE NO RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY RAISED.
WE SUBMITTED A LETTER ON JULY 5TH FROM JOHN.
THAT WAS BASED ON SOME GEOTECHNICAL ANALYSIS.
WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR ANY BLASTING ACTIVITIES IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT QUESTION THAT CAME UP DURING, DURING MAY MEETINGS.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE SUBMITTED A LETTER DAVID CRUZ, A TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM ERO ASSOCIATES THAT LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS IN LIGHT OF THE REDUCTION FROM 96 TO 57.
AND NOT SURPRISINGLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF PROJECTED VEHICULAR TRIPS DURING BOTH THE AM AND PM WEEKDAY PEAK HOURS.
WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED YOU WITH A COPY OF A FULL DETAILED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DONE BY SRF ASSOCIATES, WHICH WAS THOROUGH THE PREDECESSOR THAT WAS REVIEWED AND VETTED BY THE COUNTY.
AND THAT BASED ON THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED 96 UNITS DEMONSTRATED THERE WILL BE NO POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS ON THE INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA.
THERE'S BEEN A TON OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PERMANENT OPEN SPACE RELATIVE TO THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT AGAIN AND AGAIN, WE PROVIDED YOU WITH COPIES OF THE PARCEL REPORTS CAME FROM THE RIE COUNTY GIS.
THAT DEMONSTRATES IN LIGHT OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE PROJECT, THAT WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE OVERALL PERMANENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE QUARRY AREA OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT REQUIREMENT IS 25%, 27.08 ACRES.
AS A RESULT OF THOSE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, WE NOW HAVE MORE THAN THAT.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT UH, WE'RE ALSO COMPLYING NOT ONLY WITH THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OVERALL QUARRY DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO THE ONSITE FOR THE 9.37 ACRES.
RECREATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, THAT REQUIREMENT IS 10% AND WE'RE SHOWING MORE THAN TWO ACRES INCLUDING THE EXTENSION OF THE HEART TRAIL
SO ORIGINALLY SHOWN ON THE PLAN WAY BACK IN 1988, SOME WALKING TRAILS GAZEBOS, SO COMMUNITY GARDEN.
SO WE'RE SATISFIED IN THAT REQUIREMENT.
BOTH PERMANENT OPEN SPACE FOR THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT AND RECREATIONAL REQUIREMENT ON SITE.
DURING YOUR MEETING ON MAY 17TH, YOU DID REVIEW A DRAFT OF PART TWO OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AND I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH THE IMPACTS THAT YOU DISCUSSED.
IMPACT ON LAND, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED, IMPACT ON GEOLOGICAL FEATURES, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED, IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
NONETHELESS, WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH THE DETAILED LETTER THAT ANTHONY REPAIR DATED MAY 22ND.
IMPACT ON GROUNDWATER, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
IMPACT ON FLOODING, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
WITH IT BEING NOTED AGAIN, OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WILL COMPLY.
THE STRINGENT STORM WATER QUANTITY STANDARD MEANING THAT WE RETAIN A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT ON SITE IMPACT ON AIR, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
THERE ARE NO THREAT OR ENDANGERED SPECIES OR FOR OR FAUNA ON THIS SITE.
IMPACT ON AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES.
NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
IMPACT ON AESTHETIC RESOURCES, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
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ON ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.IMPACT ON OPEN SPACE AND RECREATION.
WE PROVIDED YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH OUR SUMMARY AND WE ARE NOW A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENT THAT WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED FOR THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT AREAS, I, LJ, AND K IMPACT ON CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS.
NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
BUT WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATED LETTER FROM DAVID CRUZ OF ERO ASSOCIATES IMPACT ON ENERGY, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED IMPACT ON HUMAN HEALTH, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLANS, NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION NEEDED.
CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
WE DID PREVENT A PRESENT, A LANDSCAPE PLAN DURING YOUR MEETING ON MAY 17TH.
AND IT WAS INDICATED THAT AT LEAST PRIOR TO US GETTING IN THE POSITION FOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME INPUT FROM THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD.
SO WE THINK IN LIGHT OF THE VERY, VERY LENGTHY HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT, IN LIGHT OF THE SUBSTANTIAL MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO PUBLIC INPUT THAT HAVE ACROSS THE BOARD, RESULTED IN A REDUCTION OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE IDENTIFIED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS BASED ON YOUR PREPARATION OF THE DRAFT OF PART TWO OF THE FULL AF DURING YOUR MEETING ON MAY 17TH.
AND BASED ON THE EXTENSIVE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION THAT WE PROVIDED SINCE THAT MEETING, THAT YOU ARE IN A POSITION, UH, YOU LOOK BACK AT THE 1988 FINDING STATEMENT THAT YOU COULD ISSUE A SECRET DETERMINATION THAT REQUESTED SECRET DETERMINATION ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT SPONSOR IS OF COURSE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
IF YOU, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE SUBMITTED? AND AGAIN, I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHERE WE ORIGINALLY STARTED.
THIS WAS ALWAYS ENVISIONED, IF WE LOOK BACK AT THE ORIGINAL PLANNING DOCUMENTS TO BE APARTMENTS, IT HAD TWO LARGE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS CONSISTING EXCLUSIVELY OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS FOR LEASE.
THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPER WHO CAME IN IN 2010, PRESENTED AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT WELL RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT IF ULTIMATELY WE DON'T GET A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND WE HAVE TO SPEND ONE OR TWO OR THREE MORE YEARS ON THIS LIKELY DECISION, IT'S NOT A THREAT, IT'S JUST A BETTER, WE'LL PROBABLY THEN SWITCH TO MULTIFAMILY.
WE THINK WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK, WE RECOGNIZE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE NEIGHBORS AND WE THINK THE SUBSTANTIAL MODIFICATIONS PROVIDES YOU WITH MORE THAN AMPLE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, AGAIN, EITHER MYSELF OR ANTHONY WOULD WELCOME THEM.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ONCE YOU ISSUE A SECRET DETERMINATION, WE ARE NOT DONE.
WE NEED TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR SOME MINOR VARIANCES BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING INDIVIDUAL BOTS AND WE HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT'S WHERE WE WILL HAVE, UM, AN ASSURANCE THAT WE'RE MEETING A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
MEANING AT THAT POINT YOU WILL DEMONSTRATE, WE WILL DEMONSTRATE BASED ON ENOGEN PLANS AND LANDSCAPING SCREENING, DRAINAGE, UTILITIES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO WE THINK WE'RE FINALLY THERE.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN AT THIS NOW FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
AND I THINK THE PROCESS HAS WORKED THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK OUT, MEANING THERE WERE SOME CONTROVERSY AND THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT IMPACTS.
WE'VE LISTENED TO THOSE IMPACTS AND A PLAN NOW REFLECTS THAT.
UM, ANY, WELL, I GUESS I'LL START, UM, TO MAKE SURE OUR I'S ARE DOTTED AND OUR T'S ARE CROSSED.
I THINK WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CHANGE FROM TOWNHOUSES TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A SECRET DETERMINATION.
YOU, THE, THE HEARING, THE TWO HEARINGS YOU HELD EARLIER THIS YEAR WERE BASED ON THAT.
WERE BASED, I THINK IT WAS A CHANGE FROM 96 UNITS IS THAT OUR PUBLIC HEARING WAS ON THE 96 UNIT PUBLIC.
THE HEARING WAS ON THE HIGHER DEBT SHEET.
THAT'S THE CHANGE FROM 96 TO 56.
SOME COULD ARGUE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE REDUCTION OF LOTS.
WE ALREADY HAD A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT I DO AGREE AND BILL AND AND OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT IT IS A BIG CHANGE FROM 96 TO 56 UNITS AND THEY MADE A LOT OF OTHER CHANGES TO THE PLAN.
YOU MAY WANT TO BE SAYING ANOTHER, A PUBLIC HEARING, AUTHORIZE THE PREPARATION OF THE SEEKER DOCUMENTS, WHICH IS THE BIG THING.
HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING, LET THE PUBLIC TALK ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE HAS BEEN PRESENTED AND THEN MAKE, MAKE A DECISION ON SEEKER.
'CAUSE THAT'S YOUR FIRST BIG DECISION'S GONNA BE SECRET.
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WE'VE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND DONE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
WE'VE DONE COORDINATOR REVIEW TWICE.
WE DID COORDINATOR REVIEW ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION AND THEN IT WAS REAUTHORIZED AGAIN ON THE, ON THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
SO WE DO HAVE THE INPUT RECCE ON THOSE THINGS.
SO THAT'S THE SUGGESTION WE TALKED ABOUT IS CALL ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE PUBLIC RESPOND TO WHAT HAS BEEN FINALLY CHANGE.
AND THEN YOU COULD EVEN MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT, UH,
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BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC INPUT IN THE PAST AND, AND YOU'VE GONE THROUGH PART TWO ALREADY.SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT JUST SO THAT WE DOTTED EVERY I AND CROSS TEE AND LET THE PUBLIC REACT.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
SO MY POSITION IS, I, I WANNA MAKE A, A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH.
WHAT DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THAT? UM, I SAY SEPTEMBER 6TH BECAUSE THAT THE FULL BOARD'S NOT GONNA BE HERE ON THE EIGHT ON AUGUST 16TH.
SO WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, UH, PER AT LEAST DREW'S COMMENT THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER A SECRET DETERMINATION AT THAT MEETING? YOU'RE GONNA AUTHORIZE US TO PREPARE A SECRET RESOLUTION.
YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO PREPARE DIRECT RESOLUTIONS.
AND IF WE DON'T ACT ON THEM, WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE THEM.
AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THIS? I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING BUT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YEAH, I, GO AHEAD.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN FOCUS THIS HEARING? BECAUSE I, I APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORS HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO FOCUS IT ON THE CHANGE AND THE COMMENTS TO THE, THE CHANGE FROM THE PRIOR SIDE PLAN OR WE REINVITING YOU INTO WE WE CAN TRY.
UM, IT'S DIFFICULT TO CENSOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT, AND THEY'RE ENTITLED COMMENT.
BUT IT'S, I MEAN WE COULD, AND I WILL SEND THE BOARD 'CAUSE YOU ASKED FOR IT.
THIS IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE TO DATE AND THEN THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE ZONING AND SPEAKER ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE ON, ON THIS ACTION.
WE DID DO THE RESEARCH BASED UPON, WE COULD NOT FIND ALL THE PLANS.
THEY'RE JUST, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY FOR THE OVERARCHING ISSUE FOR BRIARWOOD AND THE OVERALL OPEN SPACE RECREATION THING THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE, SINCE THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN BOARD, GET YOUR APPEARANCE BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD AND MAKE, WE CAN DO A DECISION ON THIS PROJECT.
'CAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS PROJECT.
BUT THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVERALL BUYER.
PDI DID TALK TO THE SUPERVISOR.
HE SAID IT MAY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THEM FOR THAT 'CAUSE THAT WAS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, A DECISION MADE WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND MAKE SURE THAT DECISION IS BEING UPHELD.
THE ISSUE OF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ISSUE OF PAYMENT OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS A LOT OR WHATEVER WAS SUPPOSEDLY WAIVED IF THEY'VE MADE THEIR ARGUMENT.
SO I THINK WE CAN ACT ON THE, THIS APPLICATION AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA GET MORE PUBLIC INPUT, BUT THE DECISION ON THE OVERALL GREEN SPACE RECREATION OF BRIARWOOD IS AN ISSUE THAT THE TOWN BOARD MADE A FINAL DECISION ON AND MADE A, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT 20 YEARS AGO.
AGAIN, I DO WANNA CLARIFY, 'CAUSE I'VE REITERATED THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
THERE'S THE KEY DIFFERENCE BEING THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERMANENT OPEN SPACE REQUIRED IN RECREATIONAL SPACE.
THERE AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONFUSION THAT THOSE ARE THE SAME THING.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE'RE NOT CONFUSED.
SO THAT'S THE, THE LETTERS ARE MIXING.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION, WHICH I THINK YOUR ANSWER IS LIKE, WHAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY WITH THIS MAGIC MATH THAT'S HAPPENING? AND THEN ALSO THE MOST RECENT SUBMISSION FROM THE NEIGHBORS, THIS 1993 MINUTES REFERS TO IT AS RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACE.
SO NOW WE'VE GOT PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, WE'VE GOT RECREATION, WE'VE GOT MINUTES THAT SAY OPEN SPACE RECREATION, RECREATIONAL OPEN SPACE.
SINCE THAT WAS A TOWN BOARD ISSUE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE'RE MAKING A MEET THE TOWNHOUSE REQUIREMENT OF SO MANY SQUARE FEET PER, PER PER UNIT.
THE OTHER REQUIREMENT THAT EVERYBODY AGREES TO IS THE HEART TRAIL, WHICH WAS A RECREATION FEATURE OR WHATEVER.
THE TOWN FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS HAD NEVER TAKEN DEDICATION OF RECREATION SPACE OR OPEN SPACE AND THE BRI CUD.
SO THERE'S NOTHING DEDICATED TO THE TOWN.
THERE'S BEEN STUFF THAT'S BEEN SET UP FOR THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION THAT'S BEEN DIFFERENT THINGS FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.
SO AGAIN, BACK TO BILL, I THINK HOLD YOUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING, AUTHORIZE THIS SEEKER DECISION.
AND THEN I'M SUGGESTING THEY GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE OVERARCHING ISSUE OF BRIARWOOD AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED THERE BECAUSE THEY, THEY MADE THAT DECISION ON THE WAIVER OF THE, OF THE FEES.
OTHERWISE WE'D BE CHARGING A THOUSAND DOLLARS A UNIT HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUR REQUIREMENT.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'S JUST STILL AN UNANSWERED QUESTION THAT MAYBE A SEPARATE FROM SEEKER BUT DOES REQUIRE THE TOWN BOARD.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE TO JEN IS IF PERHAPS YOU COULD ALSO DO A REVIEW AHEAD OF THIS NEXT MEETING WITH THE LEGAL COUNSEL ON WHAT THE APPROPRIATE REVIEW AND AUTHORITY IS THROUGH THE TOWN ON THIS.
'CAUSE I THINK USUALLY, AND THEN THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY IS THAT IF THERE'S A PLAN AND AGREEMENT, IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE SEEKER RELATED UNDER THE PLANS AND, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC PLANNING PART OF THE SEEKER, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PUD, RIGHT? IS THE, THE, YEAH, YEAH.
SO THAT'S THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
BUT THE OPEN SPACE IF'S 10% OPEN
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SPACE.IT'S PART OF THE PI GUESS IT'S A SEPARATE AGREEMENT.
WHAT WE HAVE, JEN, WE'RE, WE'RE REQUIRED AGAIN, IN CONNECTION WITH WHAT IS THE CORE AREA OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS I, J AND K.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 1988 PLAN AND WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
WE'RE SATISFIED THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, MARGOT PER THE TOWN HOME REGULATIONS AND 'CAUSE WE'RE CREATING INDIVIDUAL LOTS, WE NEED TO HAVE 10% OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE IN RECREATIONAL SPACE.
WE'RE SATISFYING THAT AS WELL.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THESE, 'CAUSE I YOU'RE CCC LETTER, SO THAT'S WHAT THE 1993 MINUTES THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SUBMITTED ARE REFERENCING.
IS THE 10% ON THIS SITE? NO, THEY'RE REFERENCING OTHER, NOT THIS PARTICULAR, NOT THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL WITHIN THE QUARRY.
SO MARIO, WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU WANT THE TOWN BOARD TO ANSWER? I, SO I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE EVER, I DON'T THINK WE'VE SETTLED THIS, LIKE THE RECREATION SPACE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHETHER OR NOT THIS REQUIREMENT OF WHAT I THINK IS A SEPARATE AGREEMENT NOW AND NOT THE PUD HAS BEEN MET.
AND SO DO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND BE SATISFIED THAT THE CONDITIONS HAVE ALL BEEN MET OR ARE THOSE CONDITIONS TOTALLY WITH THE TOWN BOARD? BECAUSE THIS RECREATIONAL OR OPEN SPACE RECREATIONAL IS A SEPARATE AGREEMENT THAT IS OUTSIDE THE CONDITIONS OF THE BUD.
AND IT IS NOT OUR, EVEN IF IT'S A SEPARATE BEREAVEMENT, IT HAS TO DO WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER, WHICH IS A SENIOR QUESTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT KELIN WAS SAYING.
BUT I THOUGHT AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, THAT THEY WERE HERE WE WERE, WE HAD SENT SOMEONE OUT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DEFINITION OF BETWEEN GREEN SPACE RECREATION SPACE AND THESE MINUTES WERE GONNA BE FOUND.
AND WE WERE GONNA GET A CLARIFICATION ON THAT BASED ON THE LAST, ON THE LAST MEETING.
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE TERMS ARE USED IN DIFFERENT WAYS BASED ON THE MINUTES DISCUSSION, BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE AGREEMENT.
AND THE AGREEMENT AND THE PLAN THAT WAS APPENDED WAS OPEN SPACE AND THEN WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT IT DEFINED.
'CAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT I WOULD'VE INCLUDED IN THERE, BUT THERE WAS A RANGE OF THINGS THAT WERE INCLUDED AS ALLOWABLE.
OPEN SPACE RECREATIONAL AT THE LAST MEETING ARE THE WETLANDS, DO THE WETLANDS AND WETLANDS WATER.
THEY COUNT AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE REPORT THAT WAS DONE BY NUSSBAUMER AND CLARK.
HE SUBMITTED EXCERPTS AGAIN AND AGAIN DATED JUNE 30TH, 1992 THAT WERE INCLUDED.
I'M NOT SAYING TO DISCREDIT ANYONE, THIS HAS BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS IS, IS TYPICALLY I WOULD, AS I HAVE OTHER CASES, ADVOCATE THAT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY COUNT THE STORMWATER PROJECT OPEN SPACE.
BUT BECAUSE IN THIS INSTANCE THAT IT WAS IDENTIFIED, IT WAS IN THAT IT WAS ITEMIZED AS ONE OF THE ITEMS. YES.
THAT IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE OPEN SPACE HERE BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS PART OF THE OVERALL SITE DEVELOPMENT.
UNDERSTAND, I'VE HAD DISCUSSION MEMBERS, TOWN BOARD, THERE ARE RULES IN THE TOWN FOR CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT, TOWN HOUSES, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT OPEN SPACES ARE ALL DEFINED DIFFERENTLY.
THE PUD WAS SUPPOSED TO SET, IF YOU READ PUD REGULATIONS, IT SAYS FORGET ALL THE UNDERLYING ZONING, EVERYTHING ELSE THE PUD SETS, SETS THOSE THINGS.
THE PROBLEM IS OVER THE YEARS, THOSE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION.
THERE'S BEEN AGREEMENTS WITH THE TOWN BOARD, ET CETERA.
OUR JOB IS, IS THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION AND WITHIN THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT AREA, K WITHIN THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE DECIDED, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OVERARCHING PLAN SHOWING US HOW THIS WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED OTHER THAN THEY SHOWED THE HEART TRAIL AND EITHER APARTMENTS OR MULTIFAMILY.
WE DECIDED TO USE THE TOWNHOUSE REGULATIONS WHICH HAVE A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT OF 500 SQUARE FEET OF RECREATION BASED WHEREVER.
SO WE HAD TO USE SOMETHING AND THAT'S WHAT WE USED FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING VARIANCES.
I WISH I HAD AN OVERARCHING DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT SHOWED ME WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS AREA K WAS OTHER THAN WHAT THE USE IS.
AND I HAVE A PLAN THAT SHOWS THE HEART TRAIL GOING THROUGH THAT AREA.
I MEAN THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR AREA K.
SO WE'VE USED THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO DECIDE ON WHAT HAS TO GO ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THEN THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE QUARRY DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND THE 25% AND AGAIN, DIFFERENT RULES.
AND THEN THERE'S THE OVERARCHING BRIAR WITH PUD, WHICH IS A TOWN BOARD ISSUE, WHICH THEY CHOSE TO WAIVE THE FEE AT THE TIME, WHICH WAS $600 A LOT, WHICH IS NOW A THOUSAND DOLLARS A LOT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON.
IF THAT'S THE ARGUMENT OF THE RESIDENT THAT THEY HAVEN'T MET THAT REQUIREMENT, WHY ARE THEY WAIVING THE THOUSAND DOLLARS OR LOST FEE? SO I THINK ALL OF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE JENNIFER WEIGH IN ON AS OUR ATTORNEY ON THIS.
BUT WHAT ARE THE, IT'S NODDING OUR HEAD.
IT NEEDS, WHAT IS THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING TO WEIGH IN? BECAUSE I'M NOW, I'M VERY CONFUSED.
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DREW JUST SAID A LOT THERE, BUT WHO NEEDS TO APPROVE IT SHOULD COME FROM JENNIFER AS TO WHETHER THAT'S AN OUR REMIT OR NOT.AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED JENNIFER TO ANALYSIS.
THERE'S A LOT GREEN SPACE ABOUT WHETHER THE GREEN, THE GREEN SPACE.
I JUST, I, WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO APPROVE THAT OR IF THAT'S GOING SOMEBODY ELSE.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE NEED JENNIFER, TO HOW, HOW IT PLAYS.
WHAT IS THE, THE TOWN'S MECHANISM TO DO THAT? GREEN.
THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE OR THE RECREATIONAL SPACE OR BOTH? BOTH.
HOW THIS CONVERSATION'S GOING? I'M THINKING BOTH.
I MEAN CLEARLY IT'S UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK WE'VE MET THE T OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THE QUARRY.
THE PROJECTS IN FRONT OF YOU, IF YOU'RE ACTING AS A LEAD AGENCY, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IN YOUR COURT.
AND PER AND THE 10% IS THE RECREATIONAL SPACE.
THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE IS THE 10% RECREATIONAL SPACE.
REMEMBER THE, THE ACTUAL PUD DOES NOT SPECIFY A RECREATIONAL SPACE REQUIREMENT.
SO I THINK WE CAN COME IN FRONT OF YOU AND SAY WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE ANY NONETHELESS BECAUSE WE'RE SELLING TOWN HOMES FOR SALE RATHER THAN FOR RENT BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE PROVIDING THE REQUIREMENTS ONSITE FOR RECREATIONAL SPACE AS WELL.
RECREATIONAL SPACE AND PERMANENT OPEN SPACE AREN'T MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
MEANING RECREATIONAL SPACE CAN ALSO COUNT AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
PERMANENT OPEN SPACE WITHOUT RECREATIONAL AMENITIES CAN'T COUNT AS RECREATIONAL.
SOUNDS LIKE CAITLIN WANTS AN INTERPRETATION BY THE PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEY.
YOU'RE GONNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING IN AUGUST.
WE'LL GET THAT ANSWERED AND I'LL GET SOMETHING OFFICIAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD ON THIS ISSUE OF, I KNOW THE RESIDENTS WANNA SPEAK TO THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT THE OVERARCHING BRIE WITH PUD, WHAT'S GOING ON IN IT, WHY ARE WE WAIVING FEES, ET CETERA AND WHATEVER.
SO WE'LL DO THAT, HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS NEW PLAN.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL PREPARE SECRET RESOLUTIONS IN CASE YOU'RE READY TO MAKE A SECRET RESOLUTION.
SOUNDS LIKE BOTH MARGOT AND KAITLYN AND OTHERS MAY WANT TO KNOW ALSO THE RESOLUTION OF THE OPEN SPACE BEFORE WE MAKE A SEE DECISION.
BUT LET'S TRY TO GET THAT INFORMATION THAT I'LL WORK WITH JENNIFER, PULL OUT WHAT WE HAVE FROM THE RESIDENTS AND THE, AND LET JENNIFER GIVE A LEGAL OPINION.
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THAT THAT IS THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT WE SHOULD BE PREPARING SOME RESOLUTIONS IS BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT PREPARING WHAT WE NEED, WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON, I THINK HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUCTURE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE WEIGHING IN ON IS BECAUSE THIS IS AGAIN JUST THE SECRET DECISION.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET ZONING VARIANCES.
SO THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, BUT THIS IS NOT A SITE PLAN REVIEW OR THE SUBDIVISION, RIGHT.
NO, NO, NO SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE A LOT OF, THERE REALLY NO SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS THE TOWNHOUSE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN AND INCLUDES THE DIVISION OF LAND.
BUT THEY, SO THERE IS NO SEPARATE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BUT THEY'LL COME BACK FOR A SECOND ROUND OF APPROVAL THAT IS SEPARATE FROM THIS.
SEVERAL OTHER APPROVAL POINTS.
WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE ZBA AFTER A
SO WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE ITEMS ARE THAT WE THINK ARE STILL WITHIN THE BUCKETS OF WE NEED MORE INFORMATION AND AT LEAST WALK THROUGH THAT IN A STRUCTURED WAY AS I GUESS MY ADVOCATION FOR HAVING RESOLUTIONS.
'CAUSE WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THESE AND I THINK THE ONLY ISSUE, MAYBE STILL ASSUMING AS THE OPEN SPACE, BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO OTHER, I I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE AND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GONNA GET THE INFORMATION ON.
THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR IN THAT.
AND THEN, AND WE DID GET A COUPLE, YEAH, WE, WE GOT NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER TO THAT.
WE THINK THAT A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER ON THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE AND WE'VE SATISFIED.
WELL I THINK WE HAVE LIKE PLENTY OF TIME TO LOOK AT.
SO THE NEIGHBORS SUBMITTED A LETTER ON JULY 10TH, WHICH HAS THESE 1993 MINUTES ATTACHED, WHICH IS WHAT I'M REFERENCING RIGHT NOW.
THEY THEN FURTHER REFERENCED THE 1992 NEWS BUER REPORT, WHICH YOU'RE ALSO SUGGESTING, SEAN, THAT WE LOOK AT.
SO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE ALL KIND OF NEED TO GET FAMILIAR WITH TO LIKE PUT THESE COUPLE PIECES TOGETHER.
I MEAN IT'S A, IT IS A LARGE VOLUME OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO THAT WE'VE GOTTA TRY AND WRAP OUR HEAD AROUND.
THAT'S PART OF WHY IT'S BEEN TAKING SO LONG.
SO WE HAVE THAT JEN SORT OF GUIDANCE ON, SO IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD PUT IT ON, THERE'S, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE AN, AN AGENDA BEFORE THAT WHERE AT LEAST WE COULD HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LEGAL QUESTION OUTSIDE THE CONFINES OF THE HEARING? MY CONCERN IS WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE HEARING AND WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL ANSWER IS THAT AND IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR US 'CAUSE OKAY.
I MEAN, SO WE CAN, I MEAN I CAN ALWAYS SPEAK WITH THE BOARD AND CALL YOU BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S, THERE'S
SO WE CAN COME BACK ON THE 6TH OF SEPTEMBER
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AND ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.THAT'S THE DAY YOU WERE SCHEDULE THE HEARING THEN THAT'S THE DAY.
I WAS GONNA SAY HEARING RATHER HAVE THE HEARING.
YOU'D RATHER HAVE THE HEARING THE TODAY.
SO I I I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DATE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR SEPTEMBER 6TH.
IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY DENNIS.
NO INFORMATION NEEDED FROM US THIS TIME.
AND, AND I MEAN WE, YOU, YOU KNOW WHERE OUR QUESTIONS ARE SO IF YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO CLARIFY THOSE PARTICULAR ISSUES, THAT'S, AND YOU'VE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE JULY.
I DO HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER ALONG WITH THE LETTER OF REFERENCES TO FEBRUARY, 2020.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT IN RESPONSE TO THAT LETTER, I GUESS THAT'S, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HAMBURG RETAIL LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCTIVE NINE UNIT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AT 4 1 0 0 SAINT FRANCIS DRIVE.
JOHN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE ADVOCATE OF THE PROJECT THAT YOU LAST SAW DURING YOUR MAY MEETING.
AS YOU'LL RECALL, IT INVOLVES A NINE UNIT TOWN HOME PROJECT ON A PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE.
THE ONLY THING NEW THAT WE HAVE TO REPORT IS WE NOW HAVE A SURVEY THAT'S PREPARED AN UPDATED PLAN AND WE WANT TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE'RE CREATING AN INTERNAL PROPERTY LINE THAT WILL SEPARATE THE PROPOSED TOWN HOME PROJECT FROM THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE.
THE FORMER FUELING FACILITY THAT WILL BE REDEVELOPED AS A SEPARATE PROJECT IN THE FUTURE.
WE'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT IN A POSITION TO ASK FOR ANY DECISIONS FROM THE BOARD.
WE JUST HAVE TO GO BACK IN FRONT OF THE WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE.
GIVEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS WELL AS WHOEVER WE ASKED THEM TO TABLE THAT DURING ITS MEETING JULY, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'LL BE READY FOR ITS AUGUST MEETING.
BUT I THINK THE BEST BET WOULD BE TO TABLE THIS TILL YOUR SEPTEMBER 6TH MEETING AS WELL.
WOULD AT SUCH TIME AS THE OTHER PARCEL IS DEVELOPED, UM, ARE THERE GONNA BE CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENTS SO THAT DEPENDING ON THE FUTURE USE OF THE GAS STATION PORTION OF THE PARCEL YES.
THAT WE WOULD MAYBE BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CROSS ACCESS.
YEAH, I THINK WE'D BE OPEN AND POTENTIALLY IN A FUTURE DATE REMOVE THE GATE IF I THINK WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT.
'CAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'LL BE OR RESIDENTIAL.
NATURE OF COMMERCIAL IF COMMERCIAL OR MIXED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE? UM, OR CAN WE JUST TABLE IT? SO DO WE NEED TO HOLD A, WOULD WE WANT TO DO THE SUBDIVISION AS A SEPARATE ACTION, ITS OWN THING? AND THEN DOES THE SUBDIVISION THEN NEED ITS OWN SECRET ANALYSIS? SO HERE'S PROPERTIES AND THEN YEAH, I, BECAUSE THIS HAS GOT A LONG RECORD, A LONG RECORD AS WELL.
REMEMBER WE ALSO NEED A VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS BECAUSE OF THE ZONING.
SO KAITLYN, WE WILL NEED THAT.
BUT WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING WE'LL GET FROM YOUR FIRST IS A SECRET DETERMINATION, GO TO THE ZONING BOARD APPEALS, THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE'LL NEED SITE PLAN AND MINOR SUBDIVISION AND YES, YOU WILL NEED TO HOLD A HEARING FOR THE FUTURE.
SO SEEKER ON WHAT, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION ON THE PROJECT, ON THE PROJECT ON THE, SO THE PROJECT INCLUDING THE SUBDIVISION, BUT THEN YES, AS THE SUBDIVISION INCLUDES WE REMOVE ANY FUTURE USE AND THEN ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE OTHER PARCEL WOULD HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE SECRET DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU VIEW THAT AS BEING SEGMENTATION, YOU CAN DO THAT AS LONG AS YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT, THERE'S NO FUTURE PLANS AND COULD BE
SO I THINK WE WERE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE STATE IF I'M IF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY ABOUT THE CURB CUT.
SO WE ALSO NEEDED COMMENT BACK FROM DOT IN TERMS OF THE KIRKWOOD ON THE LAKE SHORE ROAD.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE GOTTEN ANYTHING BACK YET.
BUT THEY DO HAVE THE MOST RECENT PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA DETERMINE THE BRUNT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD DO SEEKER UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE I AGREE.
WE'LL NEED A RESPONSE FROM DOP BEFORE WE'RE WE'RE CAN DO ANY OF THAT.
WE'RE SECRET SEEKER THE BUILDING AND THE SUBDIVISION TOGETHER.
BUT AGAIN, SEEKER IS THE ACTUAL PROJECT, THE NINE UNIT TOWN HOME PROJECT IN ANY PART OF, REMEMBER THIS IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS THE NEWS PARENTS, THE ZBA CANNOT ISSUE THE NEWS PARENTS, YOU CAN MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
WE AND ALL REMEMBER ORIGINALLY IN JANUARY THE ZBA SAID THEY WOULD TAKE LEAD AGENCY.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THEY CONCUR.
SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THROUGH SEEKER AND A USE VARIANCE, THEN WE STILL HAVE TO BE VETTED IN TERMS OF MINOR
AND REMIND US, IS THIS IN THE VCP? NO.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE ROUND WAS PART OF A BROWN, THE STATE'S BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ASKED TO CLEAN UP THE WHOLE SITE AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A BROWNFIELD THAT WAS GONNA GO THROUGH THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM.
I WAS GONNA TAKE A BREAK AFTER THIS ONE IF YOU WANNA HOLD ON A SECOND AND THE THE LAST ONE I'M JUST GONNA TAKE SO, OH, OKAY.
SO THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON SEEKER IS THE RESPONSE FROM GOT, RIGHT?
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WE'VE GOT ALL THE SUBMISSIONS ON THE BROWNFIELD THAT CAME IN.WE NEED THE WATERFRONT COMMITTEE, THE CAB LAND.
DO WE NEED ANYTHING FROM THE CAB ON THIS? WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE CAB ON THIS ONE.
CAB MEMBER IN ATTENDANCE IF THE CAB IS GONNA COMMENT, DO YOU THINK YOU GUYS COULD DO THAT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING ON THIS PROJECT? UH, THE NEXT MEETING BEING THE ONE IN AUGUST.
THE NEXT TIME THIS ONE'S GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA IS GONNA BE SEPTEMBER 6TH.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION WE WERE WAITING FOR? WERE ANY OTHER TRAFFIC ITEMS? NO.
THERE'S ONE THING THAT YOU WANNA FOLLOW UP.
'CAUSE IT WAS MARCO'S QUESTION ABOUT, UH, BROWNFIELD CLEANER PROGRAM AND KNOW THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE.
I JUST WANT TO VERIFY MM-HMM
WHAT I SAID MAY HAVE NOT BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE.
MEANING DO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO THE WHOLE SITE IN MM-HMM
THE BROWNFIELD CLEANER PROGRAM? SO I'LL ANSWER OR JUST THE GAS STATION, RIGHT? OR IS IT JUST THE GAS STATION? YOU MIGHT BE ENTERING THE GAS STATION SIDE.
GAS STATION IS BEING CLEANED UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEING CLEANED UP PURSUANT TO THE BROWNFIELD CLEAN PROGRAM, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE DC STANDARDS EITHER WAY.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK THEN.
ARE YOU JUST CLEANING IT UP TO THE RESIDENTIAL STATE? WE DON'T, WELL WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT RIGHT NOW FOR THE OLAND STANDARD.
SO I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS, THAT THE ENTIRE, THE ENTIRE PROJECT WAS GONNA BE, THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS GONNA BE CLEANED UP.
IT WILL THAT BUT WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ACTUALLY ANY CONTAMINATION THAT COMES ONTO THIS PORTION.
AND IT WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR ENTRY INTO THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM UNLESS WE MEET THE MINIMUM THRESHOLDS FOR THAT.
BUT YES, THE WHOLE SITE WILL BE CLEANED.
THEY'RE NOT GOING AFTER THE TAX BREAKS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA CLEAN IT UP TO THE SAME STANDARD THEY WOULD AS IF THEY WERE IN THE
SO IS THERE OTHER INFORMATION WE NEED FROM THE SEEKER PART OF THIS? I, WHEN WE GET THE INPUT FROM THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE IN THE CAB, THERE MIGHT BE, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS OTHER INFORMATION WE NEEDED WITHOUT THAT INPUT.
SO, UM, THE ONE ADDITIONAL THING YOU DID ASK AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, BECAUSE I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT ALL THE EVENTS TODAY, SO YOU DID ASK FOR LANDSCAPE PLAN, SO WE'LL ALSO GET THAT RIGHT.
SO WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE HAMBURG RETAIL LLC, MAKE SURE THE CAB GETS SEPTEMBER 6TH.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
I KNOW THIS FEELS LIKE A LONG, LONG.
WE SAT ON PLANE FOR EIGHT, FOR ALMOST TWO HOURS.
PILOT I, WHERE I WAS AND I FOR IN ATLANTA.
AND I TEXTED BILL THAT I WAS ON TIME AND THEN I LIKE LITERALLY SENT HIM A THING AND WAS LIKE, WE'RE TAKING OFF, I'LL BE THERE.
AND LIKE THEN IT POPPED UP, YOU'RE DELAYED AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, NO, YOU'RE, AND WE'RE ALL BOARDED AND SITTING ON THE PLANE.
I WAS GONNA TEXT YOU NOW I GOT BACK IN BUDGET FOR LAST NIGHT AND I WAS LIKE, OH, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT.
SO MY MOM AND I WENT TO DINNER AND I LIKE DID ALL MY PLANNING BOARD WORK AND THEN I WORKED TODAY TILL LIKE TWO AND I LEFT PITTSBURGH AT THREE AND I WAS LIKE, I COULD NOT, I CUT THIS EVERY CLOSER.
I GOT HOME AT LIKE SIX, PUT MY THINGS IN THE HOUSE AND JUST DROVE HERE.
YOU FLEW BACK FROM PITTSBURGH? NO, I DROVE, I WAS IN, UM, THE JERSEY SHORE WITH MY FAMILY WEEK OR FOR LIKE THE LONG WEEKEND AND SO THEY ALL PITTSBURGH, WE HAVE KIDS.
WHERE DOES YOUR FAMILY LIVE? PITTSBURGH.
THEY'RE FROM
SO I MEAN YOU GUYS HAVE, DO YOU WANT US TO GET TO I LIKE, I LIKE
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OF THIS TO HELP, UM, HAMBURG GET THROUGH THIS AND I FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERY RESIDENT PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE AND THAT, UM, THEY KEEP AN EYE ON THIS.UM, I THINK THAT UM, UM, THE NEGATIVE THINGS, THE NEGATIVE IMPACT WHEN YOU'RE READING SOME OF WHAT THE PETITIONER SENT TO US.
UM, IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, IT WAS MISLEADING AND I FEEL THAT BY HAVING THE CONSULTANTS, UM, LOOK AT THIS AND EDUCATE US MORE, I FEEL EVEN MORE CONFIDENT, UM, ABOUT VOTING HOW BEEN VOTE.
UM, I MEAN I HAD A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS AND I GUESS A FEW PARTS OF MY COMMENT, UM, HOPEFULLY THEY WON'T BE TOO LONG.
UM, FIRST I, I WANT TO KIND OF ADDRESS THE PROCESS BECAUSE AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING BOARD, I HAVE, UH, A LOT OF INFLUENCE ON THE PRO PROCESS THAT WE TAKE.
AND THERE WAS A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THAT PEOPLE ARE, UH, FRUSTRATED THAT WE DECIDED TO EVEN GO THIS ROUTE AND ENTERTAIN, UH, THE SEEKER PROCESS.
SO I I WANNA SAY AS, AS LONG AS I AM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING BOARD, WE WILL NEVER ARBITRARILY SAY YES OR NO TO ANY PROJECT.
AND WE WILL GIVE APPLICANTS EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW FOR EVERY, EVERY PROJECT.
AND ANY RESIDENT WHO WANTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE TOWN WOULD EXPECT THE SAME THING.
AND WHILE IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING WHEN THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES THAT AREN'T ADDRESSED, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD NOT FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT'S UNIDENTIFIED IN THE STATE LAW.
UH, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS I'M REALLY, REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT HAS COME AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEY WERE KIND OF YELLING INTO A VOID AND THERE WASN'T REALLY ANY APPETITE FOR ADDRESSING LAND USE AND ZONING ISSUES.
AND SINCE THEN WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THINGS IN THIS TOWN TO, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THINKING ABOUT HOW WE WANT THIS TOWN TO LOOK GOING FORWARD, AND WE'VE IMPLEMENTED
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A LOT OF GOOD CHANGES.UM, EVEN PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS FIVE YEARS AGO, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANYONE SITTING IN THIS ROOM AT NINE 15 ON A WEDNESDAY OR WATCHING IT ON THE INTERNET.
SO THE, AND I THINK THAT IS A, IN SOME WAYS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES AND WE'VE, WE'VE COMPLETED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE LAWS, WE'VE MADE SOME ZONING CHANGES THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MADE IF PEOPLE WEREN'T INTERESTED IN THOSE THINGS BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT.
SO VERY, VERY HAPPY AND I HOPE TO TRY AND KEEP THAT ENGAGEMENT GOING AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
UM, TO ADDRESS THIS SPECIFICALLY PERSONALLY, I I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT TOWN CODE 2 8 0 DASH 1 3 3, WHICH PREVENTS ANY DISSEMINATION OF ATMOSPHERIC POLLUTANTS, NOISE, OR ODORS IN M THREE DISTRICTS.
AND THAT APPLIES TO PROJECTS LIKE THIS ONE.
AND I HAVE SUGGESTING THAT THIS PROJECT COULD COMPLY WITH THAT PROVISION OF OUR TOWN LAW.
SO THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE I'VE BEEN WITH THIS PROJECT FOR, FOR A WHILE AND WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YET, BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND AND I THINK THAT'S, WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PROJECT TONIGHT.
WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THE NEXT STEP.
NEXT, UH, THE COMMENTS ARE DUE BY 7 28.
WE WILL INPUT ON HOW THINGS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FBIS AND THEN ONCE THE FBIS EVER, YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE, THE CONCLUSIONS UNLIKE THE DEIS FOR YOU IN THE FBIS.
SO WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME TIME TO MAKE SURE YOU AGREE WITH THE DECISIONS IT IS YOUR DOCUMENT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR TIME TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS RECEIVED DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND WE WILL GIVE THEM THAT TIME.
UH, SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE THIS ALSO ON THE AGENDA FOR AUGUST, WHERE WE WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE OUR, SOME OF OUR FINAL UPDATES ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
AND YOU DON'T AGREE WITH HOW THEY ANSWER THE QUESTION? YOU CAN ANSWER IT DIFFERENTLY.
SO YES, THEY CAN ANSWER QUESTION, THEY CAN SUPPLY YOU INFORMATION, BUT IF YOU DON'T AGREE BASED UPON YOU.
SO FOR THE MEETING IN AUGUST, KIM, COULD YOU, I GUESS WITH JEN, I GUESS THIS ISN'T A COMMENT, BUT I MEAN I, I THINK THE DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE IS SO DEFICIENT THAT IN DOING SO, WE DON'T AGREE WITH ANY OF THESE.
AND THEN TO JUST WALK THROUGH ALL THE, THE SECTIONS IN ORDER WITH OUR UPDATED ANALYSIS BECAUSE WE HAVE, I EXPECT WE'LL MAKE, WE KIND OF HAVE A DRAFT TABLE OF CONTENTS TO TRY TO DO THAT.
REFER TO SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION AND DEFICIENCY.
SO CAN WE, WE'RE THE NEXT MEETING, BUT IF GO THROUGH THE CORRECT, WHAT JOSH AND LISA ARE DOING, ALL OF THAT FOR THE SECOND SEPARATE FROM THAT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO WALK THROUGH HOW WE'RE STRUCTURING THE DOCUMENT TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE MM-HMM.
FOR BOTH US TO UNDERSTAND THE DEFICIENCIES FROM THE DEIS SO THAT THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A D THE ADDITIONAL.