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I, IF ANYBODY CAN GO ON FACEBOOK AND SEE IF THEY CAN HEAR IT OR NOT.UM, WAS ANYBODY NOT THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE WOULDN'T TAKE ANY COMMENTS.
BUT BY SHOW OF HANDS, ANYBODY HERE TO TALK TO ABOUT THIS PROJECT? NO.
OH, THE POST CAPTIONING IS TICKED ON, SO I THINK THAT WE'RE WORKING.
WE SO IT WAS, IT WAS BUTTON AND COURSE IT WAS ON.
SO SOMEBODY WAS WATCHING LONG, SO IMPRESSIVE.
GOTTA GIVE ANYBODY IN THE CITY CREDIT.
MOST OF THEM ARE LIKE, YOU'RE KILLING IT TODAY.
THEY, FOR THE RECORD, I DID MONITOR THE COMMENTS.
UH, SO YOU AND I ARE GONNA BE HERE THE NEXT ONE.
MARGO'S GONNA RUN THE MEETING, BUT
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NO ISSUES SCHEDULING THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 16TH, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO.ALRIGHT, SO THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR WESTER AUTOMOTIVE FOR AUGUST 16TH.
A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY DENNIS.
ALL IN FAVOR BY MOTION CARRIED.
JUST TO CONFIRM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT A 20 FOOT SETBACK BETWEEN THE ADJACENT HOME ON OREGON AND WHERE WE START OUR FENCE.
AND WE'LL BE CONFIRMING THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE BOARD AND INITIAL LANDSCAPE AND THE LANDSCAPING AND THE LANDSCAPE HOURS AND, AND LIKE TYPE OF OPERATION.
IS IT AN OVERFLOW LOT OR IS IT AN IT'S AN OVER LOT.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK JIM MALKA ACTUALLY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE.
WE WERE TALKING JUST FOR THE RECORD.
WE DON'T CONTROL HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL IMPACT THINGS LIKE NOISE AND EXACTLY.
AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT LIGHTING.
WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE LIGHTING.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE REALLY DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND SHIELDED.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GONNA BE ON ALL NIGHT, I DO NOT WANNA BE A RESIDENT NEARBY IF THEY'RE ON ALL NIGHT.
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S AND BEEPING TRUCKS 12 FEET AWAY.
THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR NOT LETTING ME PULL IN THIS ALL OUT.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE RECOMMENDATION AND AMP.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.
I WOULD'VE LEFT IT IN THE HANDS OF JOSH AND ANNISE, BUT I'M THE ONE WHO DID THE, THE DRAFT REPORT AND THE ONE WHO IS STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF THE CAMP ROAD ENERGY.
SO, SO DREW, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF IN A STICKY SITUATION.
I'M GONNA LAY OUT WHAT I, WHAT I THINK SO, SO BASED ON COMMENTS WE'VE GOTTEN FROM RESIDENTS, UH, I THINK PEOPLE WOULD PREFER IF WE ZONED THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR WAREHOUSES.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A CURB CUT HERE IN THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THIS SITE IS THROUGH THEY'RE PROPOSING A CURB CUT.
THE, THE PLAN THAT CAME IN FRONT OF US FOR THIS SITE INCLUDED A CURB CUT.
THERE'S A PLAN FOR THIS, BUT THE ONE THAT SOMEONE CAME TO A WORK SESSION ABOUT THE WAREHOUSES INCLUDED A CURB CUT.
LET MAY ALSO CLARIFY THAT THAT'S NOT THIS, THAT'S NOT THIS PART.
YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH THAT ONE.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S CLARIFY THAT.
NO, RIGHT NOW, THE ORIGINAL MAP SUBMITTED TO YOU DOES NOT SHOW THAT PARCEL AS PART OF OUR REZONING REQUEST.
YOU CAN, AS A BOARD, RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT YOU INCLUDE OTHER PARCELS IN THE REZONING.
BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE MAP THAT'S BEEN HANDED OUT THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, AND BY THE WAY, I DO NOT NEED A DECISION TONIGHT.
I DID NOT EXPECT YOU TO READ THAT WHOLE REPORT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I'M JUST HERE TO GET YOUR INPUT TO SAY WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU NEED FROM ME? I'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR REPORT COPIES OF SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU MAY WANT TO GO TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT'S ON NOW WEBSITE AND READ THOSE ENTIRE SECTIONS.
BUT I TRIED TO PULL OUT THE SECTIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO WHY.
BY THE WAY, THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS WE ALREADY HAVE STARTED THE PROCESS TO REZONE THE THROUGHWAY PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN DEVELOPED UNDER THE GATEWAY PLAN FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THE OTHER ONE SAID IN THE COMPETENCE PLAN, JUST MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA STUDY THIS AREA AROUND THERE FOR OTHER REZONINGS TO EITHER CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE OR OTHER DISTRICTS TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE AREA.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THIS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT FURTHER.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC SAYING, THIS PROPERTY OR THIS PROPERTY.
IT SAYS THIS AREA NEEDS TO HAVE THESE CONSIDERATIONS TO IT.
SO THAT'S WHY THE ONE PIECE HAS ALREADY MOVED FORWARD.
'CAUSE THERE'S A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION IN THE COMP PLAN.
THESE OTHER PIECES ARE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOU'RE DOING THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION TO DOWNWARD WHAT YOU THINK THESE PROPERTIES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
SOME OF THE PROPERTIES, I'LL BE HONEST, LIKE THERE'S SOME NOT TO BE HONEST, SPEAK, GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION, IS THAT WE'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS IN THE AREA AND THEY WEREN'T SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED POSSIBLY IN GETTING THEIR PROPERTY REZONING SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES ON THE ONE SIDE.
BUT WE SAID WE'RE GONNA STILL INVESTIGATE IT.
YOU MAY NOT BE INTERESTED, BUT WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN? THAT'S WHAT CONFERENCE PLAN IS ABOUT.
ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE PROPERTIES OVER THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A CONTENTION PROPERTY.
ONE BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY IS GOING TO C ONE THAT A BUTTS UP NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE THAT HAS HAD PROPOSALS ON AND OFF OVER THE YEARS.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT GOES ON THAT BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED.
THERE'S A AUTOMOTIVE FACILITY THERE, THERE'S THE HOTEL, UH, UH, THAT'S THERE ON THAT INTERSECTION AND WHATEVER.
SO JUST CONSIDER THOSE THINGS AND TRY TO GET ME INPUT ON OTHER THINGS YOU NEED.
IT'S NOT, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THIS REVOLVES YOU'RE ACTING AS A TRUE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT AND SAY, WHAT IS IT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN? WHAT IS THE BEST PLAN FOR THIS AREA? ARE ARE WE
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CREATING THIS CAMP ROAD? THE CAMP ROAD DISTRICT EXISTS? IT HAS BEEN.IT'S IN THE, IT SHOULD BE IN THE CODE BOOK.
DOES IT HAVE LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
DOES IT HAVE CRITERIA? LIKE WHAT ARE WE COMPARING IT TO? YEP.
YOU SHOULD, MATTER OF FACT, I SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT IN THERE.
A COPY OF THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE DISTRICT.
SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES, IS IT OVERLAY? NO.
IT'S NOT, IT'S CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE DISTRICT.
IT IS A DISTRICT THAT, UH, FLOATING ZONE DISTRICT THAT WAS CREATED TO BE ATTACHED TO PROPERTIES IN THE AREA OF THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT AREA.
WHAT WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED IS THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES THAT SHOULD BE REZONED TO THAT CAMP.
SO NOT THE CAMP ROAD VILLAGE OVERLAY DISTRICT, THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGED, RIGHT.
CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE ZONING DISTRICT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I ASKED THE TOWN WHEN IT ORIGINALLY WAS ADOPTED A FEW MONTHS AGO.
IT DIDN'T, DOES NOT SHOW UP IN THE CODE BOOK.
SO I ASKED THEM SPECIFICALLY TO PUT IT ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE AND SAYING THIS CODE HAS BEEN ADOPTED.
IT JUST HAS NOT BEEN INCORPORATED YET.
SO IT'S THERE ML NUMBER FIVE DASH 2023 ON THE WEBSITE ON THE E CODE 360.
BUT IT'S NOT LABELED AS ZONING.
IT'S WHAT'S THE LOCAL LAW NUMBER? IT'S UH, FIVE DASH 2023.
I WILL, I WILL EMAIL YOU TOMORROW.
SO YOU WANT OUR, SO WE'LL REVIEW THE CRITERIA, RIGHT? AND THEN COME TO THIS CONVERSATION WITH WHAT PARCELS WE THINK FIT SHOULD IN THAT CRITERIA THAT WOULD BE THE BEST FOR THE TOWN OF TRANSPORTATION IF YOU WANNA RECOMMEND ANOTHER ZONING FOR SOME OF THE PROPERTIES.
AND THEN WITH THOSE TWO THINGS, HOW THEY FIT WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WHICH OUTLINES THINGS LIKE BUFFER THE RESIDENTS, WHICH CAN'T DO, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T INCLUDED IN THEIR SUGGESTION.
AND THEN DREW, UNLESS WE INCLUDED IN THE SUGGESTION AND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
UM, AND I'M POINTING AT THE MAP TO THE PARCEL
IF YOU GO IN THERE, THEY'RE ALL EXISTING BUSINESSES.
HOW DO WE HAVE ONE? HOW DO WE HAVE TWO PARCELS THAT HAVE TWO? I WASN'T INVOLVED.
THAT'S OUT WAS ZONED YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
THE FRONT PART OF THE SITE WAS C ONE AND THE BACK PART OF THE FIGHT WAS C TWO.
CAN WE NEVER QUITE UNDERSTOOD? IS THERE A GROUP BUSINESS MARK? UH, IT'D BE HARD TO CHANGE NOW.
BUT WE WOULD JUST CHANGE THE ZONING.
WE WOULDN'T CHANGE THE THE USE.
BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE 'EM ALSO, I DON'T WANNA MAKE 'EM NONCONFORMING EITHER IF THEY'RE ALL APPROVED BUSINESSES IN THERE.
I MEAN, UH, AT THIS POINT I DON'T WANNA MAKE, TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE NOT TOO, TOO MANY PEOPLE NONCONFORMING.
WE DO CREATE SOME NONCONFORMITIES BY WHAT WE WELL PRESUMABLY WOULD PICK WHICHEVER ZONE.
I WOULD LIKE THE WHOLE, OUR FINAL DETERMINATION WOULD BE THAT WHAT'S THERE IS JUST IT CONFORMS. IF YOU WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THIS, SAY ASK THE TOWN, WHY DO THEY HAVE PART OF THIS PROPERTY ZONE C ONE AND PART, YOU CAN ASK THAT AND WE'LL TRY TO RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHY THEY DID IT AND WHAT WAS THE LOGIC BEHIND IT.
UM, BUT THAT'S HOW IT SHOWS UP IN THE ZONING MAP.
YOU COULD COMMENT ON THESE ADJOINING PROPERTIES HERE.
I'M JUST HERE TO TELL YOU, AND I DID PUT A MAP IN THERE, THIS WHOLE SITE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE THROUGHWAY HERE, OVER HERE, THAT'S C TWO IS ALL WETLANDS.
YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF WE COME UP WITH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A NEW ZONING.
THAT WOULD BE A CONSERVATION ZONING AREA, RIGHT? OR JUST A CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT.
WE'VE HAD PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE PROJECTS PROPOSED ON THAT SITE OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS.
AND THEY ALWAYS FIND OUT IT'S ALL WETLANDS.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT SENDING TO GIVE YOU THE
SO DREW, WHEN IS THE, WHEN IS THE NEXT TIME THIS IS ON OUR AGENDA.
WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, LIKE I SAID, WE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF THE THROUGHWAY PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SOLD.
IF IT TAKES YOU GUYS THREE MONTHS, IT TAKES YOU THREE MONTHS.
IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT FOR A MONTH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM.
A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ASK ABOUT WHAT GOES ON.
THE CONFERENCE PLAN SAYS WE NEED A BETTER PLAN FOR THIS AREA.
IT'S NOT WORKING WELL, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS TABLE IT FOR SOME TIME THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE AND IN THE MEANTIME HAVE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS EMAIL DREW IDENTIFYING THE PROPERTIES THEY THINK SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS AREA.
SO THAT WAY WHEN WE COME TO THE NEXT MEETING, HE IS GOT A LIST THAT HE CAN SAY, FIVE PEOPLE SAID THIS ONE, TWO PEOPLE SAID THAT ONE.
AND THAT CAN KIND OF MOVE THIS DISCUSSION FORWARD A LITTLE BIT.
SOMEBODY THINK THAT'S A DECENT PLAN? YES.
YOU COULD EVEN RECOMMEND, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN RECOMMEND A CAMPER OF INTERCHANGE.
YOU CAN RECOMMEND TO OTHER ZONING DISTRICT THAT EXISTS.
OR IF YOU WANNA RECOMMEND A TOWN BOARD, THEY CREATE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT, LIKE A CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT OR WHEREVER YOU COULD DO THAT.
THE PLAN IS NOT SPECIFICALLY, IT'S GOTTA BE THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE, BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT PROPERTIES YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND THEN WHAT IT IS.
RIGHT? SO I THINK WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHAT PROPERTIES WE WANNA LOOK AT AND WE CAN HAVE SOME IDEAS BECAUSE THAT WILL INFORM WHAT PROPERTIES
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GO INTO IT.BUT ONCE WE COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT PROPERTIES GO IN THERE, THEN GO INTO THE SECOND STEP OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH WHAT WE WOULD WANNA RECOMMEND THE TOWN DOES WITH THOSE PROPERTIES.
THE OTHER BIG, I'LL MENTION BIG PICTURE COMMENT IS WE THOUGHT THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE, LIKE THEY DID IN THE GATEWAY STUDY, SHOULD BE A GATEWAY.
IT'S, IT SHOULDN'T BE LIKE YEAH.
OTHER THROUGHWAY INTERCHANGES WHERE WE HAVE, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A BAD THING, BUT GAS STATIONS AND THIS AND THAT AND WHATEVER.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL INTRODUCTION INTO THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND WE CAN DO SOMETHING BETTER THERE.
AND I THINK THE CITIZENS HAVE SAID THAT VERY CLEARLY AND I'D LIKE TO PEOPLE TO COME OFF THE THROUGHWAY AND, AND SEE IT AND SAY, WOW, THIS LOOKS LIKE A NICE PLACE.
HOW WE ACCOMPLISH THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
SO I I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE WETLANDS.
WOULD THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TAKE THOSE OVER THEN IF WE DECLARED IT? UH, NO.
UH, YOU CAN CREATE CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICTS THAT GIVE APPLICANTS SOME THINGS TO DO.
WE'RE NOT TAKING THEIR PROPERTY.
WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING DUE TO THE NATURE OF IT, AND I CAN SHOW YOU SOME SAMPLES OF CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.
YOU COULD SEND US AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE, YEAH.
WE TRY NOT TO TAKE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
WELL, WHEN I SAY TAKE WE, CAN WE PURCHASE IT? WELL, THE TOWN COULD.
THE TOWN TYPICALLY DOES NOT WANT, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT HERE.
SOMETHING IDENTIFIED THE TOWN COPIES OF PLAN.
THE TOWN OWNS OVER I THINK 140 PIECES OF PROPERTY THEY DO NOT WANNA OWN ANYMORE.
MATTER OF FACT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT WAYS OF GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE PROPERTY THEY OWN.
SO DOWN HAS A LOT OF PROPERTY THEY OWN THROUGH THE YEARS DEDICATION OF LANDS, ET CETERA, TO THE TAF.
THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TOWN OWNS.
SO RIGHT NOW OF THE LAKE, WE'VE BEEN NOT INTERESTED IN TAKING ON ADDITIONAL LANDS UNLESS THERE'S SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO SOME OTHER LARGE CONSERVATION AREA OR WHATEVER THAT MADE SENSE FOR THE TOWN.
MATTER OF FACT, THAT WAS THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION OF TOWN.
THEY NEED TO UPDATE THEIR OPEN SPACE AND CONSERVATION PLAN, WHICH IS NOW 40 YEARS OLD.
MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW I WASN'T EXPECTING ANYTHING.
I'LL GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO YOU.
IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD PLANNING PROJECT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO COME UP WITH THEIR IDEAS.
AGAIN, THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO GO THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND GET OTHER INPUT.
BUT YOU START THE PROCESS BY SAYING, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE DONE.
HOW MANY DO WE HAVE ON FOR SEPTEMBER 6TH? JUDGE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING.
AND DOES THAT INCLUDE A LS FAULT? NO.
ALRIGHT, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE RECOMMENDATION TO SEPTEMBER 20TH.
OBVIOUSLY THE ANSWER RIGHT? FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A LS FAULT SEEKER STATUS UPDATES.
JIM MASON, UH, SPECIAL COUNSEL TO THE TOWN ON THIS MATTER.
SO JUST TO PROVIDE YOU ALL AN UPDATE AS TO WHERE THINGS STAND.
AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ON THE DBIS FOR THE A LS FAULT SEEKER PROCESS ENDED ON FRIDAY, UM, THE 28TH.
AND THANK YOU TO JOSH AND ANNALISE.
UM, YOU WERE ALL PROVIDED COMMENTS, SUMMARIES, AND COPIES OF ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
THERE WERE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC IN WRITING.
THERE WERE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, OBVIOUSLY AT TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, WE'RE STILL LEADING THE TRANSCRIPT FROM THE SECOND HEARING THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO EVERYTHING YOU'VE PROVIDED.
THERE ALSO WERE EXPERT REPORTS PROVIDED, UM, BY GHD ON NOISE, TRAFFIC, STORMWATER, UM, AND AN AARON ODOR REPORT FROM VA.
THOSE WERE SUBMITTED AS PUBLIC COMMENT ON BEHALF OF THE LEAD AGENCY.
YOU ALSO RECEIVED COPIES OF THE COMMENTS FROM DEC COMMENTS FROM ERIE COUNTY AND THEN THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG AND THE VILLAGE IN TOWN OF ORCHARD PARK AS WELL, UM, IN WHAT JOSH AND NATALIE CIRCULATED.
SO HIGH LEVEL OVERALL, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME FLAVOR, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T DUG IN YET, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO THE INADEQUACY OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS PROVIDED AND A HOST OF MITIGATION MEASURES PROPOSED, UM, THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION, ORIGINAL DEIS.
SO THERE'S A LOT TO BE CONSIDERED AND A LOT TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO TONIGHT, UM, YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE DRAFT TABLE OF CONTENTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DRAFTING OF THE FBIS, THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
UM, BUT IN, IN THE MEANTIME, THE COMMENTS SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT, UM, WITH SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT YOU AS LEAD AGENCY ARE LOOKING, UH, FOR FROM THEM.
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WE WILL WORK TOGETHER WITH DREW JOSH ANISE TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH UPDATES TO, UM, THE FEIS AS WE CAN DRAFT IT.BUT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT IS MISSING, UM, THAT WILL BE REQUIRED OR THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE MEANTIME.
SO, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND PROVIDING THAT CORRESPONDENCE TO THE APPLICANT.
SO HOW DO WE WANNA DEAL WITH THIS? UH, WE GOT THIS DRAFT TABLE OF CONTENTS.
UH, WE CAN, AND I CAN RUN THROUGH THAT HIGH LEVEL IF YOU, IF YOU WANT.
YEAH, IF YOU CAN RUN THROUGH IT HIGH LEVEL AND THEN IF ANYBODY HAS COMMENTS ON IT THAT THAT'LL BE PROBABLY MORE EFFICIENT THAN GOING.
SO MUCH OF THE, UM, MUCH OF THE PROPOSED TABLE OF CONTENTS IS JUST BASED ON THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS OF SEEKER FOR AN FBIS.
WHAT'S KIND OF DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ONE MORE DIRECTLY RELATES TO, AS YOU RECALL, THE NUMBER OF DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE NOTED IN THE DEIS.
SO WE'VE ADDED TWO SECTIONS THERE THAT, UM, ADDRESS THOSE.
SO YOU'LL LOOK AT THE SECTION 1.0, YOU START WITH YOUR INTRODUCTION, YOUR PROJECT BACKGROUND, KIND OF A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS, WHERE THE SECRET PROCESS IS TO DATE.
THEN IN THE NEXT SECTION YOU GO THROUGH THE DEIS AND PROVIDE A SUMMARY.
THEN WHEN YOU REALLY GET INTO SECTION THREE, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD BE, UM, SUMMARIZING WHERE THINGS ARE AT WITH RESPECT TO THE DEFICIENCIES.
SO THE ORIGINAL DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE NOTED ONCE THE DEIS WAS SUBMITTED AND THEN ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WAS, UH, WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN THE FINAL CONCLUSIONS OF WHERE THINGS STOOD WITH THE DEFICIENCIES WHEN THE LEAD AGENCY ACCEPTED THE DOCUMENT FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
SO THAT'S KIND OF YOUR SUMMARY SECTION THAT GIVES YOU AN OLDER VIEW.
AND THEN WHEN YOU MOVE INTO THAT SECTION FOUR CORRECTIONS REVISIONS AND SUPPLEMENTS TO THE DEIS, THAT'S REALLY THE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
THAT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED, UM, IN RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT OR YOUR OWN ANALYSIS.
THAT REALLY IS REITERATING AND REVISING THE TEXT OF THE DEIS TO ADDRESS, UM, THE DEFICIENCIES THAT THE LEAD AGENCY HAS NOTED IN THE PROCESS.
AND THEN THE FINAL SECTION YOU GET INTO OR THE FINAL TWO, UM, ARE THE SUMMARY OF WHAT ARE THE SUBSTANTIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT THE SECRET REGULATIONS REQUIRES YOU TO ADDRESS.
UM, AND RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS.
SO WITH REGARD TO SECTION FOUR ON THE CORRECTIONS AND REVISIONS MM-HMM
ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT WE'LL HAVE THE SAME SET OF SUBSECTIONS THAT WERE HAD IN SECTION THREE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW WHEN THE UPDATES ARE? SO WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME 18 SUBSECTIONS MM-HMM
UNDER SECTION FOUR THAT WE ALSO HAVE IN SECTION THREE.
I JUST THINK THAT HOWEVER WE DO IT, AS LONG AS THEY'RE THE SAME SUB NUMBERS, IT SHOULD MATCH BECAUSE THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE ANYONE ACCESSING TO TRACK THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE, SO THE DEIS SECTION NUMBERS ONE THROUGH 18.
DO THESE MATCH WHAT WAS IN THE DEIS? ARE THE SUB NUMBERS THE SAME SO THAT IF SOMEBODY WERE LOOKING AT SUBSECTION THREE, IT IS ALWAYS ENVIRONMENTAL SETTING, WHETHER IT WAS THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT, DEIS, SECTION THREE HERE OR SECTION FOUR HERE, THAT IT WOULD BE THE SAME.
SECTION THREE IS BASICALLY THE SECTIONS YOU IDENTIFI ARE NO, NO, NO.
SO, SO THE SAME, LIKE, IT WON'T NECESSARILY ALIGN IF THERE'S A SECTION THAT DIDN'T HAVE A DEFICIENCY SLIP.
SO THAT WOULD PUT IT OUT ORDER, I I'VE SEEN IT DONE.
PARENTHESES 3.1 PARENTHESES SECTION OF THE DEIS BECAUSE IT, I CAN'T DO AMOUNT OF ORDER.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE MISSING SOMETHING.
I'LL JUST SAY 3.1 IS SECTION WHENEVER THE DEIS.
AND I THINK THAT IF THERE'S A SECTION THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEFICIENCIES, WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST FLAG WITH THOSE.
SO THAT'S THE GREAT THING ABOUT EIS IS, IS THEY GIVE A LOT OF LATITUDE TO PEOPLE DEVELOPING
SO GIVEN THE NUMBER OF DEFICIENCIES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING HERE, RECOGNIZING THAT WE CAN'T, WITHOUT GIVING THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON SOME OF THESE, FINALIZE IT, WHEN DO WE THINK THAT THIS BOARD MIGHT SEE PRELIMINARY DOCUMENTS TO REVIEW? SO A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT GET FROM THE APPLICANT.
BUT LIKE IN, I MENTIONED IN THE MEANTIME, DREW AND I, UM, AND DREW AND JOSH HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UM, DRAFTING SECTIONS ARE PREPARING SECTIONS OF WHAT YOU CAN WITH THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE.
UM, SO WE CAN PROVIDE YOU SOME OF THOSE SECTIONS IN ADVANCE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'LL BE GAPS YEAH.
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THAT WE'LL FILL IN AND THEN THERE'LL BE GAPS.BUT YOU WANNA KEEP IT MOVING IN THE MEANTIME.
SHOULD WE HAVE A SECTION FOR MITIGATIONS OR POTENTIAL MITIGATIONS OR DO WE NOT HAVE ENOUGH? SO, UM, THOSE CAN, THE MITIGATION CAN BE ADDRESSED AS RESPONSES TO COMMENTS.
UM, BECAUSE THE CO THE SUMMARY OF COMMENTS WILL INDICATE ALL OF THE MEDICATION THAT WAS MENTIONED BY THE PUBLIC, BY DEC, BY THE EXPERT REPORTS, AND YOU AS LEAD AGENCY WILL HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT AND YOU CAN ADDRESS, UM, WHAT YOU WOULD SUGGEST THOUGH.
THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER SECTION ON MORE ALTERNATIVE SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE MITIGATIONS DEC AND OTHERS HAVE RECOMMENDED IS ALTERNATE SITES OR LOCATION.
SO WHERE DO WE PUT IN A DISCUSSION OF ALTERNATIVES IN THE FBIS AGAIN? UM, IT, IT'S A COMMENT, RIGHT? IT'S A, IT'S A COMMENT, IT'S A COMMENT RESPONSE.
AND AS FAR AS LACK OF INFORMATION PROVIDED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CERTAIN DECISIONS, WOULD THAT ALSO GO IN COMMENTS OR, OR SHOULD WE PUT THAT SOMEPLACE ELSE? WOULD THAT COULD BE ITS OWN STANDALONE, UM, SECTION.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? BECAUSE I, I SAY THAT AGAIN BILL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAME UP WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE PROVIDED WAS, WAS BEING COMPLETE.
UM, AND WE GOT THAT IN DEFICIENCIES, BUT SOME OF IT ESPECIALLY WAS IN SOME OF OUR EXPERT REPORTS WAS INACCURATE.
SO WOULD THAT WARRANT ITS OWN SECTION IF UNRESOLVED? RIGHT.
SO IF IT'S NOT CLARIFIED THEN IT WOULD BE AN UNRESOLVED, YOU COULD HAVE A YES.
SO IT WAS A SECTION FOR UNRESOLVED.
SO AT WHAT POINT DO WE MARK IT OR DO WE NOTE THAT THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE INACCURATE OR THAT'S GONNA BE IN SECTION THREE? IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DEFICIENCY.
INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED BUT IT WASN'T ACCURATE INFORMATION.
I THINK IT'S SECTION FOUR UNDER THE CORRECTIONS.
SO SECTION FOUR WE HAVE THE SAME SUBSECTIONS AS THREE AND ANY CORRECTIONS WOULD OR CHANGES AND, AND ALL OF THOSE ANYWHERE WHERE IT WAS NOTED THAT SOMETHING WAS INACCURATE OR INADEQUATE IS A COMMENT THAT HAS TO BE RESPONDED TO.
YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE, TEND TO SEE SOME REDUNDANCIES IN AN FBIS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN SEVERAL PLACES.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CORRECTIONS AND SUPPLEMENTS, BUT THEN IN OUR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED THAT ARE GONNA HAVE BE ADDRESSED AND YOU CAN REFER TO OTHER SECTIONS OR ANSWER IT THERE, UH, REMEMBER WE'RE GENERATING INFORMATION THEN BASED UPON THIS INFORMATION, DEIS AND THE FBIS, THEN YOU'RE MAKING A RATIONAL DECISION ON THE RECORD.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME REDUNDANCIES.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE REDUNDANCIES.
AND THAT'S FINE BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR, IF SOMEBODY'S LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO WHERE THEY THINK IT'LL BE IN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
AND IT MIGHT BE IN THREE OR FOUR PLACES, BUT THEY'LL PROBABLY FIND IT WHAT THEY'RE, AND WE MAY SOMETIMES, IF IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, I CAN PUT IN THOSE SECTIONS ALSO SEE SECTIONS SUCH AS IT CAN CROSS.
AND, UH, SO THE APPLICANT DID ASK FOR TIME TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE HAVE MOST OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE COMPILED HAS IS THAT ANY OF THEM BEEN SENT TO THE APPLICANT YET? SOME, SOME THE, THE EXPERT REPORTS WERE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT AT THE SAME EX REPORTS.
THE, THE TRANSCRIPT FROM THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING? YES.
UH, WHAT ABOUT WRITTEN IN EMAIL COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC? NOT YET.
I DID EMAIL THEM TODAY AND SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE COMING SHORTLY.
AS WE, THEY ARE COMPILING THEM AND WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR OUR TRANSCRIPT.
SO THERE'S SOME THINGS OUTSTANDING.
I THINK KIM AND I HAVE POINTED OUT SOME OF THE HARD PART OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS IS, AS YOU READ THIS, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE SATISFIED.
SO YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION SOMETIME AS NO, I NEED MORE INFORMATION OR WHAT IS THE INFORMATION THAT I NEED? SO KATE, IF YOU'RE REVIEWING SOMETHING AND YOU SAID, HEY, THIS DOESN'T ANSWER ALL MY QUESTION, YOU MAY SAY, I NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I NEED ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, I NEED MORE HERE OR I NEED SOMETHING ELSE.
GOT NOTES DOWN SAYING, HEY, I MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
AND SO THE IDEA, I I THINK THE,
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THE, THE THOUGHT IS THAT WE COULD DO ONE OF TWO THINGS.WE COULD PROVIDE WHAT WE HAVE TO THE APPLICANT WITH A COVER LETTER NOW INDICATING THAT THE TRANSCRIPT IS COMING.
BUT IF WE ALSO THINK THE TRANSCRIPT IS COMING IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS, WE COULD SEND IT ALL AS ONE.
BUT WE SHOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD SEND WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
BECAUSE I, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THIS MOVING.
I MEAN THE, THE, AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, DISSATISFACTION THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON SO LONG.
SO ALTHOUGH I, I DID SAY I WOULD GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND, I'D WANT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES MORE IN DEPTH ON SEPTEMBER 6TH.
SO IF WE COULD GET A RESPONSE BY THE FIRST, SO WE HAVE THE WEEKEND TO READ WHAT WE GET FROM THE APPLICANT AND HAVE A MORE IN DEPTH CONVERSATION.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, IT'S KIND OF A, IF THIS THEN THAT.
WE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE.
SO IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING BY THE FIRST AND WE'LL KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, WE'LL KNOW HOW TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
SO, AND YOU CAN DISCUSS YOUR NEXT STEPS AT YOUR FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE'LL CIRCULATE FRAMEWORK SECTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR END? ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR END? I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, SO I HAVE 80 ISH, 90 COMMENTS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED PERSONALLY.
AND THIS HAS SOME THAT ARE, THAT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ON HER END.
COMBINE ALL, WE'RE GONNA COMPILE EVERYTHING INTO ONE.
ALONG WITH THE TRANSCRIPT, ALONG WITH THE EXPERT COURTS, ALONG WITH THE LETTERS FROM COUNTY DC.
AND THEN I COPY, CAN WE AS THE PLANNING BOARD GET COPIES OF ANY OF THE CORRESPONDENCE YOU'VE SENT OUT SO THAT WE HAVE A, CAN SEE ALL THE REQUESTS THAT WE'VE MADE AND ABSOLUTELY.
I CAN PROVIDE ENOUGH FCP LINK FOR YOU GUYS TO FOLLOW THAT.
THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY AS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY SAW SOMETHING AND HOW THEY RESPONDED.
I'M ASSUMING THAT ALSO THEN WON'T INCLUDE ANY RESPONSE LETTERS THAT WE RECEIVED.
SO ANOTHER QUESTION IS, YOU AND I AREN'T GONNA BE HERE ON THE 16TH.
DO WE WANT TO, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THIS ON AT EVERY MEETING TO HAVE UPDATES.
DO WE WANNA PUT IT ON FOR THE 16TH AND TALK ABOUT IT AT ALL? NO.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I WILL, WHAT IT THE SIXTH MEETING IN SEPTEMBER? YEP.
SO I WILL TABLE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE A LS FAULT TO SEPTEMBER 6TH THEN SECOND.
IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY.
ALRIGHT BILL, CAN I JUST, UM, I WANNA, UM, THANK YOU GUYS OVER THERE FOR THE, UM, EXTRA INFORMATION FOR THE CASES TONIGHT.
IT'S VERY HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR US NEW PEOPLE.
WHEN YOU PUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT EXPLANATION, THE BED BREAKFAST LAST WEEK OR THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS THE, UM, CELL TOWER.
AND I, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE THAT.
I KNOW, I KNOW THAT DAN DOES TOO.
AND, AND UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PUTTING IT IN, PUT IT IN AND KEEP IN MIND I EXPLAINED TO JOSH AND I LATER ON THIS YEAR, WE WILL ASK YOU FOR THEM HOW THEY CAN DO A BETTER JOB FOR YOU.
WHAT THINGS YOU NEED AND WHEN YOU NEED EACH YEAR.
IF WE NEED YOU TO SAY WHAT ARE YOUR NEEDS? ARE THE MEMOS HELPFUL? ARE THERE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WANT? HOW ARE THOSE THINGS? THE TIMING OF WHAT YOU'RE GETTING.
MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING TIME TO DO YOUR JOB CORRECTLY.
FOR EXAMPLE, I HANDED OUT THE CAMP BURN ENTERTAINMENT REPORT SITE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING EQUIPMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING IN THE NIGHT OF THE MEETING.
I JUST WANTED TO HAND THAT TO YOU SO THAT, ALRIGHT, SO I GOT ONE THING REAL QUICK ON THAT.
WITH THE MEMOS, IF WE COULD JUST HAVE A LINE SAYING WHETHER OR NOT IF SOMETHING NEEDS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IF WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING THE DATE THAT WE HAD IT.
SO JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP FLIPPING THROUGH ALL STUFF.
ANY, UH, DID YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE TRAINING DURING THE MEETING OR DO WE WANT AFTER HOW YOU DO IT? BEFORE YOU CAN CLOSE THE MEETING.
I AM GONNA ABSTAIN FROM EZ BECAUSE I WAS ONLY WITH PART OF THE MEETING SO I DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT MADE SENSE.
SO WE HAVE JULY 19TH MINUTES IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MID THE MINUTES OF JULY 19TH AS TYPED A MOTION BY BILL.
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DENNIS.'CAUSE THE OTHER KAILYN IS ABSENT.