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BUT I DON'T MAKE SURE RIGHT WAY.
NO, I, BUT I PLANNED, I DIDN'T DOWN.
CAN YOU GET AN EMAIL? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE.
SHE'S RUNNING A MINUTE BEHIND.
SHE'LL BE RIGHT THERE, LIKE YOUR ADMIN.
AND WE GOT A BIT, WE GOT QUITE A BIT ON THE WORK.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED WITH THE WORK SESSION.
FIRST ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS BROADWAY GROUP, LLC REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RETAIL STORE, DOLLAR GENERAL TO BE LOCATED AT CAMP ROAD.
SBL NUMBER ONE 7.0 DASH TWO DASH ONE FOUR AND THE BROADWAY BRIEF.
AND, UM, UH, WAS JUST READ, WE ARE HERE SEEKING FEEDBACK, PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK ON OUR PROPOSED DOLLAR GENERAL STORE ON CAMP ROAD IS NEAR THE INTERSECTION WITH HOWARD ROAD.
UM, THERE'S A CAMP ROAD, AUTOMOTIVE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
AND, UM, WE PROVIDED SOME PRELIMINARY INFORMATION, A SITE LAYOUT, UM, SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA.
UH, THE SHORT SEEKER FORM THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE RUNDOWN OF WHAT WE INTEND TO DO AND UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP ON THAT INITIAL SEEKER, UM, MAPPER.
SO, UM, THE GENERAL, UM, THE PLAN IN A NUTSHELL IS TO DO A PLUS OR MINUS 10,640 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE.
UM, IT WOULD BE PLACED ON ABOUT 2.3 ACRES OF AN EXIST.
THE PARENT TRACK IS ABOUT NINE ACRES OR SO, AND WE WOULD SUBDIVIDE OUT THE 2.3 ACRE TRACKS, CONSTRUCT THE DOLLAR GENERAL STORE ON.
UM, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE COME BEFORE THE BOARD ABOUT.
UM, ONE OF 'EM THAT DID GET INTO CONSTRUCTION TO COMPLETION IS OVER ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD NEAR THE STADIUM.
AND SO THE STORE WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT IN TERMS OF APPEARANCE.
UM, SIMILAR LANDSCAPING, AESTHETICS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT, UM, THEY'LL, SO THIS BOARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UH, VERY THOROUGH IN ITS REVIEW AND SO I WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU EARLY ON TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK, UM, SO THAT WE CAN BE PREPARED TO PRESENT A FULL, UM, SITE PLAN REVIEW APPLICATION HOPEFULLY SHORTLY IN THE FUTURE.
SO IS THIS THE SAME SIZE AS THE ONE ON, I KNOW YOU HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT SIZE SALARY FEDERAL.
IT THE ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN IS THE SAME.
AND THIS ONE HAS WATER AND SEWER HOOKUPS WITH THIS NEEDS CELL? THAT IS CORRECT.
THERE'S WATER AND SEWER BOTH AVAILABLE.
SO BEHIND IS THE TRAILER PARK, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE FOR BUFFERING.
WHAT'S IT ZONED? UH, NORTH A QUARTER INCH.
I BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE LOT IS ZONED C TWO, UM, COMMERCIAL.
WHERE DO THE LOT TO THE NORTH, WHERE DOES IT TURN RESIDENTIAL? I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION.
UM, TO THE RIGHT OF THE LITTLE FLAG BLOCK APP, PART OF IT IS THAT SOMEBODY IS SAW RIGHT THERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE NORTH
AND I IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT ANY KIND OF SETBACK WE COULD ASK.
YEAH, SO THIS, UM, AS I STATED, THIS IS A NINE ACRE LOT AND SO THIS IS JUST 2.3 ACRES OUT OF IT.
AND SO EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH, THE REMAINING ROUGHLY SIX AND A HALF OR SO ACRES WOULD REMAIN UNDEVELOPED.
SO THAT'S, SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT IF THERE, I KNOW THAT THERE IS ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, UM, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT THE OTHER SIDE SEVERAL FEET AWAY, CERTAINLY YELLOW IS THE 2.3, THE CORRECT.
AND THEN THE REST OF THAT PARCEL IS NOT SHOWN ON MAP.
DO YOU HAVE, THIS IS JUST ZOOM IN ONTO THE DEVELOPMENT JUST THAT NO, YOU DON'T.
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THERE'S AN AERIAL LAYOUT WITH THE AERIAL THAT SHOWS KIND OF LIKE, OH, THERE.THAT'S THE YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF THAT DOESN'T SHOW THE NEXT, THE, THE REST OF THE NINE.
UM, ARE THOSE EXISTING, THOSE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS OR NOT? YES, THERE ARE EXISTING SIDEWALKS.
I, I RECOMMEND YOU DO A REALLY GOOD TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN THERE THAT HOWARD AND CAMP ROAD, THEY WANTED A LIGHT THERE FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AND THE DOT JUST REFUSES, UH, TO PUT ONE THERE.
AND THAT WOULD REALLY PUT A, A BURDEN FOR PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF YOUR LOT THERE.
AND IN A LIGHT WITH A CROSSWALK ONE LOT AWAY WOULD HELP.
MANY PEDESTRIAN QUESTIONS WE HAVE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT YET.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON HOWARD TRYING TO GET OUT AND THEN YOU GOT CAMP ROAD WITH THIS TRAFFIC.
SO I REALLY, THAT'S GONNA BE A POINT AND WE CAN DO THAT.
I MEAN, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S A EXISTING CONDITION.
SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF NEW TRAFFIC FOR OUR STORES.
AND I UNDERSTAND IN TALKING WITH, UM, THE PLANNING TEAM AND THE PLANNING CONSULTANT WITH WENDELL, UH, MR. RILEY, THAT THE TOWN HAS ALREADY APPROACHED DOT ABOUT PUTTING A LIGHT IN THERE IN THE PAST AND DOT SAID THAT THEY WOULD WHEN AND IF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS WARRANTED.
SO IT'S NOT WARRANTED AT THIS TIME, BUT WE COULD DO A TRAFFIC STUDY I GUESS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY DON'T GENERATE A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC TO OUR PARTICULAR SPORT.
AND I THINK KNOWING WHAT THE CONTRIBUTION WOULD BE AND I I GUESS ANY ADDITIONAL AMMUNITION THAT THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT LIGHT.
IS THERE A WAY THAT, THAT WE COULD SHOW THAT IT'S WARRANTED? WHAT NUMBER ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? STOP BY LOOK.
YEAH, I THINK THE TOWN HAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THEY COULD PUT ACROSS IT AND ACTUALLY DO A A A REAL COUNT TOO IF WE WANTED TO.
WE WANTED TO KIND OF PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
IF YOU WANT A ROUGH IDEA, WE COULD ALWAYS GET EQUIPMENT OUT THERE FOR A PERIOD TOWN.
YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, WELL EVEN THOUGH IT'S HOWARD IS A BIT NORTH, YOU KNOW, WITH ALSO LIKE WITH THE FEED MORE, YOU KNOW, BEING DEVELOPED ON CAMP ROAD AS WELL TOO AS LIKE A NEW TRAFFIC GENERATOR.
AND I THINK MAYBE, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE ALLIANCE HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HOWARD, I THINK IT COULD BE A GOOD TIME IN WHICH TO TAKE LIKE THE MOMENT OF THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON AND TRYING TO THEN HAVE THAT ADVOCACY FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, IS IT, ARE WE AT THAT POINT OF TRIPPING THE DEVELOPMENT LEVEL? NUMBER TWO MORE WOULD LIGHT, LET'S DO WE UNDER, WE KNOW WHAT NUMBER DOT WANTS BEFORE THEY PUT IN A LIFE, TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND SEE IF, IF YOU'RE GET A GRAPHIC STUDY THAT IS IN THAT REALM, THEN WE CAN MAYBE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT UM, BUT I MEAN FOR THIS IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOUR TRIP GENERATIONS AND AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN ALSO, I MEAN, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR SOME PLANT, YOU KNOW, TREE PLANTING AND SO FORTH, EVEN, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE ROAD TO KIND OF HELP SCREEN, WELL SCREEN, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE LESSEN THE HARDSCAPE YEAH.
IS WITH THAT PARTICULAR LOT, THERE'S SPACE TO DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS FOR SCREENING MM-HMM
SO THAT'S WHEN WE GET INTO SITE PLAN, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'D BE A PROBLEM.
I MEAN I FEEL AS THOUGH LIKE THE SCREEN, THE 115 FEET OR SO FROM, YOU KNOW, MISSION OR I THINK IT'S THE TRAILER PARK IN THE BACK, THERE'S PROBABLY ENOUGH MORE SCREENING, BUT YET JUST MORE OF LIKE AN AESTHETIC FEEL.
SO THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS CONTINUOUS LINE OF DRIVEWAYS AND PARKING LOTS ALONG CAMP ROAD.
SO MAYBE SOME TREES PLANTED BETWEEN SIDEWALK AND OUR PARKING.
LIKE OUR ROW OF PARKING, SOME TREES PLANTED THERE, DECORATIVE BUSHES OR SOMETHING.
UM, SALT HEART, I MEAN THAT PROBABLY HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT SALT SMALLER RIGHT, RIGHT.
OR IF THEY'RE FURTHER BACK, BUT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SAY, UM, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING THERE? DETENTION.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, PROPOSED STORM WATER DETENTION, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY SHIFT AROUND ONCE WE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE MORE DETAILED ENGINEERING.
UM, BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING HAVING STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN TAKEAWAY.
THE O THE FINAL SIZE AND SHAPE MAY HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED.
SO JUST THINKING OF THE OTHER DOLLAR GENERALS THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH, THE ONE ISSUE THAT
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IT'S NOT AS BAD, BUT IT IS THERE, THERE'S NOT ANY CROSSWALKS NEAR THERE.THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET, UM, ACROSS THE STREET BEING CAMP ROW AND, BUT THERE'S ALSO NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT THAT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT ON THESE.
BUT IF SOMEHOW WE CAN GET A LIGHT ON THE HOWARD THAT WOULD SOLVE THAT MM-HMM
SO ARE, ARE YOU JUST KIND OF TALKING RIGHT NOW? YES.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT APPROVAL OF OUR SITE WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON YOU GETTING A LIGHT AND A SIDEWALK, A CROSSWALK? BECAUSE I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THAT'S OUTTA MY CONTROL.
I KNOW, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT DEFINITIVELY SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA THINK ABOUT AS WE GET INTO IT.
UM, SO YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TALKING, BUT BUT ALSO WITHOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE TRIPPING THE SCALE TO WARRANT THE WHAT.
THIS ISN'T GONNA TRIP THE SCALE.
WE'VE GOTTA, IT'S LIKE THE COMBINATION OF, BUT WE'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH AND IF IT'S, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW SHORT THEY ARE FOR THE NUMBER TO PUT THAT LIGHT IN THERE.
IF IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO AND IT WASN'T THAT FAR OFF, THEN IT MIGHT BE WORTH IT FOR THE TIME TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN, ACTUALLY WOULD BE MORE TRUST.
AND THEN THE OTHER, ARE THESE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER THEY'RE SUBDIVISIONS OR WHATNOT, ARE THEY ALSO REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THEIR OWN TRAFFIC STUDIES? YES.
SO, BUT ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.
JUST THINKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE WENT THROUGH WITH SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
THE, THE ONLY ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A POTENTIAL ISSUE WAS THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE IS THE, WE JUST SAY FOR EASE OF ACCESS, JUST STUFF TO CONSIDER.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE FAR IN THE BACK, BUT THAT CENTER TURNING LANE, THAT BACKS UP A LOT TURNING INTO HOWARD ALREADY.
SO I KNOW THAT YOU DRIVE AT THE FAR END OF IT, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND THERE I THINK CAN BE DIFFERENT USE OF ACCESS IN THE LOT.
SO I DEFINITELY, WHEN OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I'LL HAVE HIM COME OUT ON SITE TO DO ALL THE TRAFFIC COUNTS.
SO WE CAN SEE THAT, ESPECIALLY IN A PEAK HOUR.
TAKE A LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION WITH HOWARD, UM, AND LIKE YOU SAID, SEE WHAT THE STACKING DIFFICULTIES ARE THERE WITH THE LONG QUEUE.
I WANNA COMPARE THIS TO THE ONE INCH POINT.
WHICH ONE ON 20 ACROSS FROM THE, FROM THE NEW STADIUM.
SO THERE'S NOT A CROSSWALK THERE.
YEAH, THERE IS IS THIS, THERE'S A CROSSWALK, THERE'S A LIGHT THAT GOES TO EAST CAMPUS FURTHER DOWN AT BIRD'S BIKE.
SO THIS ONE WOULD BE THE SAME SCENARIO WHERE THE CROSSWALK WOULD BE ONE MILE FURTHER DOWN.
BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE LAND.
AND THEY, THEY THAT ONE BACKS UP TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
EXCEPT THAT I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE FRONT LINE LOOKS, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING I AGREE WITH THE BUSHES OR SOMETHING IN FRONT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE AESTHETIC.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DENTIST OFFICE, SO YOU HAVE THE AUTO STORE AND THEN THERE'S THE DENTIST OFFICE AND THEN THERE'S THE ALLIANCE HOMES OFFICE.
THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESIDENTIAL, A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMUNITY FEEL.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UM, PATRICK SAYS THEY, THEY'RE AWNING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN DO TO WARM UP THE FRONT OF THIS.
MAYBE IT'S LANDSCAPING, MAYBE SOME SORT OF A BOW EXTR ON THE FRONT.
THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT LESS BLOCKY.
SO WE'RE NOT IN AN OVERLAY, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT IN ANY KIND OF OVERLAY AND THE UPGRADES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ARE, HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED OR ACCEPTED BY THE PLAYING BOARD WITH SIMILAR ZONING.
SO WHAT, UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME MORE OF WHAT YOU MEAN? SO I THINK THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT, SO ACROSS FROM LIKE ECC, THAT'S MUCH MORE THE, YOU HAVE A MORE CAMPUS FEEL.
THERE'S A LOT MORE SQUARE LANDSCAPING.
IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE, BUT THERE'S A MUCH MORE RESIDENTIAL FEEL LOOKING COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES, A LITTLE BIT LESS BLOCKY WAREHOUSES.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE OVER THERE AND LIKE A SQUARE, BLOCKY DOLLAR GENERAL, IT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER OPTIONS YOU HAVE, BUT I'LL CONSIDER IT.
BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, ACROSS THE STREET FROM US IS THE LEA HILL TIRE AND AUTO, WHICH IS NOT AT ALL ENOUGH GRADED RESIDENTIAL LOAD.
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ROAD AUTOMOTIVE IS NOT E ONE TRUCK SALES AND MANUFACTURING IS NOT.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT, JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PUT FORWARD A VERY ATTRACTIVE, UM, UPGRADE THAT, UM, THE ZONING ITSELF DOES NOT SUPPORT, BUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE TOWN HAS ASKED US FOR IN THE PAST.
SO I CAN GO BACK AND ASK FOR THOSE THINGS.
BUT WE DID LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING, UM, DEVELOPMENT HERE AND FELT LIKE THIS WAS A VERY ATTRACTIVE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANY OTHER OBJECTION COMMENTS? ARE THOSE WINDOWS SHADED? THEY'RE NOT SHADED, THEY'RE NOT WINDOWS.
THEY'RE SHUTTERS TO GET THE APPEARANCE OF A WINDOW.
THOSE ARE THE SAME ONES ON THE RIGHT.
IS THERE GONNA BE, WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE ARE YOU PROPOSING? DO WE HAVE A, UM, SO IT WOULD BE A, WHAT WE CALL A MONUMENT SIGN.
I, I THINK TO WHAT IS ON THE ONE IN SOUTHWESTERN.
SO CAN YOU CHANGE UP LIKE THE, UM, THE LIGHT FIXTURES TO BE LIKE GOOSENECKS TO TRY AND ELIMINATE THAT KIND OF HOW, YOU KNOW, HALOGEN PARKING LOTS? I MEAN I THINK LIKE BETWEEN SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT AND OR ALSO LANDSCAPING WITHOUT, I MEAN THERE'S ALSO LIKE THE ELEMENT OF GOING TOO FAR AND THEN NOT MAKING IT FIT, FIT, BUT IT'S ALSO A NICE UPGRADE TO SOME OF THE OLDER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE, THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT ARE IN THE AREA.
THERE'VE BEEN A WETLAND DELINEATION ON THE PARCEL.
I KNOW YOU LOOKED AT THE MAPPER, BUT HAVE YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW THE, THE, THE SECRET FORM JUST SAYS THAT THERE WAS THE MAPPER, BUT DO YOU HAVE A DELINEATION? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT UP THE ROAD THERE'S A BIG WETLAND WE HAVE NOT DELINEATED.
UM, THIS SITE, AS YOU STATED, THE WETLAND MAPPER DOES NOT SHOW WETLANDS REALLY NEARBY OR EVEN LIKE ENCROACHING INTO THE LOT.
THEY'RE SEPARATE FROM OUR LOT.
SO IF THAT'S GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT OR A CONDITION, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ADD INTO THE DEVELOPMENT CALLS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE TALKED TO YOU GUYS EARLY IS, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER SIDE WHERE IT REALLY JUST GOT DEVELOPED TO THE POINT WHERE IT WASN'T SOME A PROJECT WE CAN PURSUE ANY LONGER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THESE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A WETLAND JUST LIKE YOU LET ME KNOW, I WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE LOOKING FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY.
IF, IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW THAT NOW, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT, I WOULD JUST REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT WOULD JUST BE REALLY HELPFUL TO KNOW.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA WANNA ABOUT DELINEATION THERE.
I WOULD WANNA SEE IT ON FARGO OR YEAH, I WANNA KNOW.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE INSIDE THERE.
UM, AND WE HAVE A WETLAND WALL THAT IS MORE THAN WHAT WILL SHOW UP ON THE NETWORK.
SO GRAPHIC STUDY, WETLAND DELINEATION.
ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN THINK THAT WE'D WANT WHEN YOU GET INTO IT? WHEN THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THERE CONTROL.
ANY IDEAS? AND THIS WAS NOT, THERE WERE NO SHIPPO CONCERNS, RIGHT? I SAW THAT AGAIN.
OR DO THEY WANT YOU TO, DOES SHIPPO WANT, IS IT SENSITIVE? THERE ARE TWO, TWO STRUCTURES THAT CAME UP AS, UM, ELIGIBLE AND THEY WERE THE SAUNDERS HOUSE AND THE DUN DOES COME FARM.
UM, SO THEY'RE BOTH, YOU KNOW, NEITHER ONE OF 'EM REALLY CONTIGUOUS TO OUR PROPERTY, SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE I GUESS LOOKED AT IN THE PAST WHERE WERE EITHER DETERMINED TO BE, UM, NOT ELIGIBLE.
UM, THERE'S ONE CLOSE THAT WAS SAID UNDETERMINED.
SO GENERALLY WE DON'T PURSUE ANYTHING WITH SHIPPO UNTIL IF SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN REQUESTS.
AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WE CAN START LIKE THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, DO AN INQUIRY WITH THEM AND PROVIDE THEM OUR PLANS AND THEN THEY WOULD RESPOND BACK TO US AND COPY THE TOWN TO LET YOU KNOW IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL STUDIES YOU WOULD NEED TO DO THAT FOR THE SEEKER I THINK.
SO IF YOU CAN REACH OUT AND START THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY EXPEDITE US.
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ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY CAN THINK OF? WHAT ABOUT THE TREE CLEARING LAW? HOW DOES, I JUST REMEMBER US DISCUSSING IT WHEN THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TREES AND AND WHATNOT.IT WAS JUST BEING, YOU KNOW, JUST HEAVILY WOODED.
HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITHIN THEIR PLANNING PROCESS? THE TREAT APPROVAL COMES AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BUT IT IS ONE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GOALS BECAUSE THERE ARE MITIGATIONAL REQUIRE THAT.
SO LOOKING AT YOU COULD IN YOUR FULL SITE PLANS, IT'LL JUST KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKED AT AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
WE CAN HARDLY HEAR YOU DOWN HERE.
SO WE SHOULD, THEY SHOULD IN THEIR FULL APPLICATION.
I SAID THAT THEY SHOULD JUST DOCUMENT HOW THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THE, THE TREE CLEAR LAW.
WHAT WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE GAVE HER AT THESE AMENDMENT? LOAD ME UP NOW Y'ALL.
FOR REAL? I WELL, RIGHT, BECAUSE I'M GONNA GET THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER, A FAILED PROJECT HERE.
AND, UM, SO I KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T SPEAK UP AT A FUTURE MEETING.
I WANNA MAKE THE BEST START THAT I CAN FOR YOU GUYS.
YOU'RE ASKING US VERY NICELY TO TRY AND COME UP WITH EVERYTHING NOW, SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO.
SO IF WE CAN, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE THINK MIGHT POP UP? I'M JUST CHECKING THE TIME.
YOU'LL HAVE A FULL MONEY ON THE CAME.
YEAH, WE NEED THE TREE CLEARING PIECE.
THE SOONER YOU GET TO CHIVO THE BETTER BECAUSE IF THEY TAKE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING FURTHER, SNOW MM-HMM
THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD RECOMMEND REACHING OUT.
I'M GLAD TO KNOW IT'S STILL WARM UP HERE, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO GET ON THAT REALLY FAST IF WE WANNA GET IT DONE BEFORE IT GETS COLD.
UM, WE JUST TABLE IT GENERALLY OR DO YOU WANT A DAY? NO, WE ARE NOT READY FOR A DAY.
I WANTED TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED ON OUR CIVIL PLANS OR ARCHITECTURAL PLANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS WAS, UM, LIKE I SAID, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO START OFF ON A GOOD, UM, GOOD PATH FORWARD, UNDERSTANDING THE EXPECTATIONS.
SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING SO MUCH TIME WITH ME.
I KNOW YOU HAVE OTHER APPLICANTS, UM, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I'LL PROVIDE OUR APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING TEAM ONCE WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS ROYAL WASH DEVELOPMENT LLC REQUESTING REZONING OF A 0.75 ACRE LOT AT 3 2 3 1 AND 3 2 3 3 LAKESHORE ROAD FROM M THREE TO C TWO.
UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SEAN HOPKINS,
I DO HAVE ONE HANDOUT, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE EXACT PLAN THAT JOSH HAS PLACED ON THE OVERHEAD.
AND I ALSO HAVE A FULL TYPE COPY, WHICH I'M PRESENTING.
UM, I'M HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING ROYAL WASH DEVELOPMENT LLC.
THIS IS REQUEST TO REZONE TWO CONTIGUOUS PARK FOR PARCELS LOCATED AT 32 22 32 33 LAKE SHORE ROAD.
JUST TO ACCLIMATE EVERYONE, THIS THE COURTS BEING LAKE SHORE ROAD, LAKE AVENUE, THE RESTAURANT ACROSS THE STREET, THERE'S A VERY LARGE INDUSTRIAL PARCEL LOCATED DIRECTLY CONTIGUOUS THE SITE ITSELF.
THESE TWO PARCELS CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 0.75 ACRES, SO RELATIVELY SMALL.
UM, THE EXISTING ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS M THREE, WHICH IS GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND WE'RE SEEKING TO REZONE THAT TO C TWO TO ACCOMMODATE A SINGLE TUNNEL STANDALONE ROYAL WASH, WHICH IS CONCEPTUALLY SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
WE DID PRESENT THIS NOT ONLY TO YOU DURING YOUR MEETING ON JULY 19TH, A CODE
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REVIEW COMMITTEE.DURING THAT MEETING ON THE SAME DAY, THE INPUT WE RECEIVED FROM THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS TO ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND GREEN SPACE.
SO WE DID MAKE THOSE CHANGES BASED ON THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE'S INPUT.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT I'M SURE ALL OF YOU KNOW THIS PROJECT SITE AND IN TODAY'S STATUS, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THIS NEEDS TO BE REDEVELOPED.
THERE'S A FORMER AUTOMOTIVE BUILDING LOCATED HERE AND ALSO A VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT I BELIEVE WAS LAST UTILIZED AS A BOTTLE REDEMPTION CENTER.
WHEN I GO BY IT, THERE'S BAGS AND BAGS AND BAGS AND BAGS OF BOTTLES STILL SITTING THERE.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THIS IS WE'LL ACTUALLY BE REDEVELOPING THE SITE, REPLACING IT WITH ONE BUILDING, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE NO LARGER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE TODAY.
SO IN TERMS OF JUSTIFICATION FOR THE REZONING POINTS I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS WHAT'S ALLOWED BY THE EXISTING M THREE ZONING.
AND KEEP IN MIND THE SITE ITSELF IS ONLY 0.75 ACRES.
SO M THREE IS A CUMULATIVE ZONING, MEANING IT ALSO ALLOWS IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WHAT'S PERMITTED IN M TWO AND M1.
BUT THE USE IS PERMITTED IN M THREE.
INCLUDE OUTDOOR STORAGE, LUMBER YARDS AND COAL YARDS, RAILROAD FREIGHT YARDS, CONCRETE MANUFACTURING PLANTS, STORAGE OR PETROLEUM, PETROLEUM PRODUCTS, MANUFACTURING OF ABRASIVES, AUTO ASSEMBLY AND FABRICATION, MANUFACTURING OF HEAVY MACHINERY, OPEN STORAGE YARDS EXCEPT JUNKYARDS.
AND THEN I BELIEVE A NURSERY AND DAYCARE IS ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT
SO WE DID, YEAH, STRANGELY ENOUGH, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT, SO WE THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND COMPARE IT TO C TWO C TWO IS A RE REQUIRED ZONING FOR STANDALONE CAR WASH, SUBJECT TO TWO IMPORTANT CAVEATS.
IT WILL REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THIS BOARD IF AND WHEN THE TOWN BOARD ULTIMATELY APPROVES THE REZONING.
AND THEN SECONDLY, OF COURSE, THE PROJECT WILL REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT WILL TRIGGER THE NEED FOR FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, LIGHTING PLANS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT I BELIEVE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID ISSUE A LEAD AGENCY SOLICITATION LETTER TODAY.
THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT.
WE DID SUBMIT A REZONING APPLICATION WITH EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION CONSISTING OF EXHIBITS ONE THROUGH 10.
THAT DID INCLUDE, ALTHOUGH NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE IT'S AN UNLISTED ACTION, A COMPLETED PART, ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM.
FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, I THINK EVERYTHING IS GOOD.
THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THINK ABOUT GREEN SPACE, THINK ABOUT LANDSCAPING, THINK ABOUT LIGHTING.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD MANY TIMES, WE DID PROACTIVELY OBTAINED A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FROM P ASSOCIATES THAT'S DATED AUGUST 21ST OF THIS YEAR.
THIS PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A HIGHWAY WORK PERMIT FROM THE DOT TODAY.
THERE IS BASICALLY UNDEFIED ACCESS ALONG THE ENTIRE LAKE SHORE ROAD FRONTAGE.
WE'VE DELIBERATELY DESIGNED THIS LAB TO MAXIMIZE THE ONLY CURB CUT ONTO THE ADJACENT ROADWAY NETWORK FROM THAT INTERSECTION OF LAKE SHORE ROAD AND LAKE AVENUE, WHICH OF COURSE THE INTERSECTION ITSELF IS SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF DOT.
SO GIVEN THAT WE BELIEVE THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN FAIRLY WELL VETTED OR WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO IS CONSIDER DIRECTING THE P DEPARTMENT PREPARED DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE TOWN BOARD RECOMMENDING REZONING IF THAT OCCURS.
AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD HOLDS A PUBLIC HEARING AND REZONES THE PROJECT SITE.
THEN WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AND AGAIN, IN AGAIN IN CONNECTION WITH THE REQUEST FOR BOTH DISCUSSION.
USE PERMIT FOR THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IN A NUTSHELL, THAT'S THE PROJECT BEGINNING WHERE WE WERE AT PREVIOUSLY.
OF COURSE, I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY ASK.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, HAVE YOU FILED ANY NOISE SPECIFICATIONS? SO WE WE DO A SEEKER AS PART OF THE REZONING RATHER THAN THE SITE? NO, WE HAVEN'T, BUT WE CAN, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE IN TERMS OF THE EQUIPMENT, TYPES OF EQUIPMENT, THE, THE NOISE AND SOUND FOR THAT I WOULD NOTE, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY SENSITIVE NO, BUT THERE'S, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY VERY FAR BACK IN HOUSES, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE EITHER.
BUT THERE'S THAT BUSINESS, ISN'T THAT THE, IS THAT THE DINER RIGHT ACROSS LAKE? THAT'S THE IN UM, WHAT IS THE NAME OF IT? MAKE SURE, YEAH, YEAH.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S LAKESHORE CAFE AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A VAPE STORE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAKE BY OF COURSE THE TUNNEL.
WILL BE AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL LOCATED HERE.
THE IT'S WOODLAWN VOLUNTEER FIRE ACROSS THE STREET.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT A NOISE ACROSS A FIRE HALL.
WELL, AND I THINK WHAT USED TO BE THERE, NOT ON ANSWER BUT ON THE BIGGER SITE WAS AL WAS ALSO A VERY LOUD, IT WAS INDUSTRY, RIGHT? VERY HEAVY.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK THEY'RE VERY QUIET.
METAL PROCESSING STILL GOING ON BACK.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE IS STILL, THAT'S LOUDER, BUT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY MUCH MORE JUST,
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I CAN'T REMEMBER STORY.I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE IMPROVEMENT AND ALSO TO KIND OF TIP THE IDEA OF HOW TO ZONE THAT AREA THAT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND GETTING AWAY FROM THAT VAST INDUSTRIAL AREA, WE'VE GOT A BROWNFIELD OPPORTUNITY, BRANDON, THAT UH, WE JUST HIRED SOMEBODY TO HELP DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITH ANYTHING WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WITH THAT.
BUT THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT.
YOU OR HAS YOUR CLIENT ON A PHASE ONE AS PART OF THE ACQUISITION OF THIS FACILITY? NO, BUT THEY WILL BE, THEY WANNA SEE, THEY WANNA SEE WHERE WE'RE AT IN TERMS OF RESELLING.
THEY DON'T ENVISION THAT THERE'LL BE, BUT THEY'RE OF COURSE AS PART OF THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, THEY, WITHIN THAT, I MEAN I THINK YOU HAVE TO DIG FOR THE TANKS, RIGHT? FOR LIKE THE WAY THE WATER SYSTEM WORKS THIS WELL.
WELL THERE'LL BE SOME DIGGING, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT A FUELING FACILITY, IT'S JUST SUSTAINABLE CAR.
I MEAN I GUESS WE'D WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SOIL.
THEY'RE GONNA BE DISTURBING SOIL THERE GIVEN THE BROWNFIELD NATURE OF IT OR IF THERE'S ANY DOCUMENTATION OR SSIM FOR THAT.
I THINK SEEING A PHASE ONE THAT THERE'S, I GUESS I WAS THINKING THE GUY WHO DID THE, UM, THE CAR WASH AT THE MALL, THE WAY HE HAD DESCRIBED IT TO US IS THERE'S LIKE, DIDN'T HE SAY THERE WAS LIKE THE HOLDING TANK UNDERNEATH? AND IT'S HOW THEY RECYCLE THE WATER.
DO THE, THEY PULL THIS STUFF OUT AND THEN THE RECYCLE.
SO YES, ACTUALLY THE HOLDING TANKS UNDER GROUND FOR OUR OFFICE.
THEY'RE SO YOU, SO YOU MAY NEED TO TAKE, SO WE NEED, OKAY.
IT'D BE REALLY BAD IF WATER GOT INTO SOME NASTY STUFF AND THEN PUSHED IT SOMEPLACE ELSE.
WELL YEAH, I THINK YOU WANT THAT.
AND THEN TO KNOW NO LENDER'S GONNA LET YOU SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLAR BORROW MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITHOUT THAT FEE.
AND THEN THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE TANK AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE SURE, SURE THAT THERE'S NO LEAKAGE AND NOT THAT IT'S THE BOARD'S FROM OUR ONLY CONCERN HERE IS ONE OF TIMING.
ONE OF THESE PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNERS IS APPARENTLY IN FINANCIAL PERIL AND AT RISK, AT RISK OF LOSING THE PROPERTY FORECLOSURE TO WHAT I WOULD CALL A THIRD TIER OUT OF STATE LENDER.
SO WE'RE HOPING WE CAN MOVE ALONG TO AVOID THAT OCCURRING BECAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER GET THE PARCEL BACK FORTH AGAINST FORECLOSURES.
IS IS THIS BEING REDEVELOPED AS ON IN THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM? NO, NO, NO.
IT IS NOT, THE PROGRAM'S NOT OUT.
YEAH, NOT, IT'S NOT EVEN WRITTEN WELL IT'S THE BOA RIGHT? NO, THE DC AREA.
BUT HE, THIS COULD BE LIKE A BROWNFIELD REDEVELOPMENT ON ITS OWN.
I'M ASKING BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE A PHASE ONE AND THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE, WELL WE CAN REZONE IT AND IF THEY FAIL THEY'RE GONNA FAIL ON THEIR OWN.
UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE DOING A PLEASE ONE REGARDLESS.
THERE HAS BEEN, I JUST WANNA KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN A CONSULTANT HIRED TO DO PRELIMINARY RESEARCH AND THERE'S NO INDICATION OF CONTAMINATION.
BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PHASE ONE ESA THAT MEETS THE A TSM STANDARD.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY REASONS WHY THEY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD RECOMMEND THE REZONING OF THIS? NO, I DON NO.
SO THEN WE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DRAFT A MEMO.
CAN WE MAKE THAT DECISION ON THE WORK SESSION? YOU'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST.
I, I MISSING I MISINTERPRETED YOUR QUESTION.
YEAH, SO MAY A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THEM TO DRAFT A MEMO, UH, RETURNABLE ON NOVEMBER 1ST.
SO THAT MEMO THANK MAY STILL CLARIFY PERSONAL PROCESS.
SO WE GET THE MEMO ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN WE JUST NEED TO FINISH SEEKER BEFORE THE DECISION ON THE REZONING IS MADE.
WELL, EXCEPT THE TOWN BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY.
NO, DON'T YOU TYPICALLY DON'T.
THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD BECAME THE, NO, THE TOWN BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, UH, ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION OR REFERRING THE REZONING TO YOU IN SEEKING LEAD AGENCY STATUS.
OH, THEY'RE SEEKING THE LEAD AGENCY LETTER JUST I BELIEVE WHEN WAS ISSUED TODAY.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THEY SHOULD JUST DOCUMENT THAT COMMENT BACK FROM TOWN AND THE RECOMMENDATION SAY THAT WE RIGHT? YEAH.
AND AND YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED A PHASE ONE BEFORE YOU'LL ISSUE A, A RECOMMENDATION ON THE RESULT? NO.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE TOWN SHOULD GET A COPY ONE FROM THE SEEKER REVIEW.
ALL NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS JOHNSON'S LANDING REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL PROPOSAL FOR A PARKING LOT EXPANSION FROM A HUNDRED HUNDRED FOUR SPACES TO 204 SPACES AT 4 0 4 0 LAKESHORE ROAD.
AN OL WHO ATTORNEY WITH DESIGN ALONG COMMUNITY JOHNSON.
UM, AS MENTIONED WE'RE PROPOSING A PARKING LOT EXPANSION FOR THE JOHNSON LANDING RESTAURANT FLOOR AND THAT INCREASE OF 70 PARKING SPACES, UM, I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE
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FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE.UM, IT'S BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL IN ITS FIRST COUPLE MONTHS AND UM, WE'RE KIND SEEING THE NEED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING TO KIND OF PREVENT PEOPLE FROM PARKING WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, THE SHADED AREA IS THE EXPANSION RIGHT HERE.
WE'RE GONNA BE EXPANDING TO THE NORTH, UM, NORTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, THAT BA VACANT AREA.
UM, SO ONE THING I WANT TO NOTE ABOUT THAT IS ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, UM, SCOTT LIVING STONE OF EARTH DIMENSIONS DID A WE LAND WALK OVER IN THIS AREA, DID NOT FIND ANY WETLANDS PRESENT ON THE SITES.
UM, AND THE ENTIRE SITE, THIS AREA, I BELIEVE JUST THE PROPOSED AREA.
AND THEN, UM, JUST THE ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO NOTE IS, UM, WE'RE NOW OVER 200 SPACES.
WE ARE ADDING HANDICAP SPACES AS WELL TO MEET, UH, THE STATE REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD.
BOB, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO, HONESTLY, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE CONGESTION BETWEEN THE APARTMENT BUILDING NEXT DOOR.
WE HAVE THE CUSTOMERS PARKING BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN IN FRONT OF THE, AND WALKING AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND HONESTLY THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING BECAUSE THERE THEIR DEPART.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF JOHNSON LANDY? UM, 2 72 70 INSIDE AND WITH THE ROOFTOPS AROUND 400.
SO WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? UM, JOSH UNDER THE, UNDER THE CODE, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WOULD THEY NEED WITH THAT? WE DECIDED THE CODE, SAY WE DESIGN THAT WOULD BE ABOUT SPACE FOR TWO PEOPLE.
WHICH, SO YOU THREE, YOU ALSO OWN P'S PLACE, WHICH I KNOW JUST CLOSED.
IS THERE ANY ABILITY TO ALSO UTILIZE THAT EXISTING IMPERVIOUS AREA AS PARKING HERE? WE ALREADY ARE.
SO LIKE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN I JUST LEFT THERE AND I TOOK A, I TOOK A VIDEO AND THERE'S, I MEAN THERE'S CARS LINED UP AND DOWN LAKE SHORE ROAD EXTENSION.
SO THE ENTIRE P'S PLACE LOT IS ALSO FULL.
AND THE LAWN, IS THIS ENOUGH PARKING OR SHOULD YOU CONSIDER ADDING MORE PARKING WITH THIS? THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
DOES THE 1 34 INCLUDE P'S PLACE? NO, NO, NO.
SO I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED A PARKING, IT SOUNDS MORE PARKING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
WELL PROBABLY, I KNOW WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
THERE'S SPACES DO YOU HAVE WITH P YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, IT'S ABOUT CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE ADDING.
HE DIDN'T TOLD, WE DIDN'T KNOW.
SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN OPERATING? UH, REMEMBER THIS IS STARTED WEEK EIGHT.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS HAVE PLANS FOR TO TRY AND MAINTAIN THIS AMOUNT OF CAPACITY FOR NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH? YES.
AND HOW IS THAT YOU WANT MY BUSINESS PLAN? I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU, LIKE, ARE YOU, SO LIKE EVERY PLACE GOES THROUGH A HONEYMOON PHASE, RIGHT? SURE.
AND THAT THIS IS LIKE THE NEW BEAUTIFUL, MULTI-LEVEL OUTDOOR PLACE TO BE.
AND YET IT IS ALSO SURROUNDED NOW BY A SEA OF, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE AND PAVING.
AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE SUSTAINED, LIKE THIS LEVEL OF OPERATION TO THEN DICTATE MORE? WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, PAVING AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED ANY EVENTS, UM, IN BOTH OUR PRIVATE ROOM AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO BRUNCHES, UH, ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
OBVIOUSLY WITH THE SUPPOS X PLACE, I HAVE A HUGE NEED FOR BREAKFAST.
SO YOU'RE ABSORBING THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING US WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THERE.
SO YEAH, SO I I, MY, THAT'S MY EXPECTATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA STAY AT THIS SPACE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
UM, IN, AND THERE'S CERTAINLY, EXCEPT THE ROOFTOP'S NOT GONNA WORK DURING THE WINTER, RIGHT? IT'S NOT GONNA BE OPEN.
YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE OPENED.
BUT THERE IS COUNTLESS PEOPLE ASKING US TO HAVE IT AVAILABLE SO WE CAN GO UP THERE AND WATCH THE STORM ROLL IN AND LOOK AT THE ICE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT IT IS BUFFALO AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT GOES.
IT'S, IF IT'S SUNNY AND 35 DEGREES, THERE'LL BE PEOPLE OUT THERE.
DO YOU HAVE PLANS FOR LIKE DEMOING P'S PLACE? NO, THAT'S NOT, I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS.
BUT NO, I DON'T HAVE THE LEAD PLANS TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S RELEVANT BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO USING PARKING ON THE ADJACENT PARCEL AS PART OF THIS.
SO I THINK THE RELEVANCE IS, IS IS THAT STRUCTURE OF POTENTIALLY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL PARKING THERE.
AND IF I RECALL WHEN YOU HERE LAST TIME YOU MENTIONED THAT THE HOURS WOULD
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FLUCTUATE SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T BOTH BE OPEN AT THE SAME TIME.SO THE FIRST THREE WEEKS WERE OPEN PEGS WAS ONLY OPEN UNTIL TWO EVERY DAY TO PREVENT THAT EXACT ISSUE.
THE LOG IN, YOU KNOW, FOR DINNER TIME.
SO WHEN YOU REOPEN PEGS GONNA BE THE SAME, DON'T REOPEN.
AT THE MOMENT I'M NOT GONNA, THERE'S A FOUNDATION ISSUE WITH PEGS, SO I'M, I'M LOOKING AT A HUGE COST TO, TO FIX IT.
SO, SO AT THE MOMENT I'M NOT GONNA REOPENING IT.
UM, BUT THE ISSUE IS, I MEAN, I MEAN POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD TO, TO DEMOLISH IT AND ADD MORE PARKING.
THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THAT THOUGH.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, SO, I, I CAN'T SAY THAT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS MORE THAN OFFSET QUESTION BECAUSE PEGS IS PROVIDED THAT YOU JUST COUNTED 68 SPACES AND YOU'RE ADDING 70.
SO IF PEGGY'S GONNA RUN, YOU'RE AT A NET UP, YOU'RE STILL OVERFLOWING RIGHT NOW INSTEAD THE EXTRA, YEAH.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS GETTING AT.
UM, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW ISN'T SO MUCH THAT PEOPLE ARE USING PEGS PLACE.
THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT I HAVE TENANTS AT THE APARTMENT BUILDING NEXT DOOR.
LIKE COMING IN AND BERATING MY MANAGEMENT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PARTNER IN THEIR SPOTS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THAT AND PREVENT THAT FROM, IF YOU REDEVELOP PEGS OR SOMEONE DOES IT BECAUSE THAT'S ON THE SAME PARCEL, MY CONCERN IS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A PARKING ISSUE, DO WE NEED ANOTHER SEVENTIES? DO YOU NEED TO MAXIMIZE YOUR PARKING ON THE OTHER PARCEL IN CASE ANOTHER REDEVELOPMENT OR ANOTHER BUILDING OR BUSINESS COMES INTO THAT LOT AND WE LOSE THE 70 SPACES THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY USING? YEAH.
AND AND HONESTLY THAT'S WITH ME OWNING IT.
I I, I OBVIOUSLY, SO FURTHERMORE, RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T HAVE ACCESS ANYWHERE INTO JOHNSON'S LANDING WITHOUT ME OWNING PEGS PLACE, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAIN PARKING, BECAUSE DOT OWNS THE PROPERTY.
I CAN'T GET A RIDE IN RIGHT OUT UNTIL I BUY THE PROPERTY AND GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS, WHICH I'VE LOOKED INTO THROUGH, THROUGH DOT.
UM, AND THAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
SO I WON'T BE GETTING RID OF PIKE'S PLACE AT ANY TIME BECAUSE THAT'S MY ACCESS POINT THROUGH.
SO THOSE PARKING, THOSE 68 SPOTS WILL ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE.
CAITLYN, THAT WAS YOUR POINT, IF I UNDERSTAND IS YOU DON'T WANNA OVERSHOOT THE PARKING.
IT DOESN'T REMAIN IN LIKE SIDES OF THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
THERE'S, AND SHE'S SAYING YOU DON'T WANNA OVERSHOOT IT 'CAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T WALK IT BACK.
WHEREAS WE CAN ADD MORE, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT HOLDING, EVENTUALLY EVEN THERE'S A NEED.
BUT RIGHT NOW, EVEN WITH PEG PLACE, THERE'S STILL A NEED FOR MORE PARKING AND YEAH, IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO FIX A PROBLEM THAT'S HAPPEN NOW.
IT IT'S A GOOD AND YOU WON'T EVER GET AWAY FROM THE SUMMER SURGE? NO, NO, NO.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAKING MONEY.
HOW DO WE AVOID THE SEA OF PAVEMENT? LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE.
RIGHT? WELL I THINK WE'VE DONE THE ISLAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU PUT IN, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I GUESS IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO WORK WITH DOT TO PUT ANOTHER INTERCONNECTION IN OR ACQUISITION OF LAND, I GUESS I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT BUILD OUT LOOKS AND HOW THIS WOULD INTERCONNECT INTO THAT.
WE, WE COULD, WE COULD CONSIDER, OF COURSE THIS WOULD EXPAND THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE, BUT WE COULD CONSIDER A LANDSCAPE ISLAND STRIPS DOWN THE MIDDLE AND THE SURROUNDING, LIKE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THIS ROW, HAVE A LANDSCAPED, COUPLE FEET WIDE STRIP KIND OF BREAK UP.
DO YOU GUYS LIVE FOR YOUR SNOW? WHAT'S THAT? DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR YOUR SNOW? THERE'S PLENTY, PLENTY.
I OWN THREE AND A HALF ACRES THAT WE PLENTY OF ROOM ON SITE.
I MEAN, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE LIKE A CENTRALIZED SNOW AREA OR ARE YOU JUST LIKE PUSHING IT OFF TO PUSHING, PUSHING OFF THE WEST? BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE, BECAUSE IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN WAS APPROVED, HAS LIKE SIX TREES ALONG THE EXTERIOR OF THE, OF THE PARKING LOT WHERE IT'S LIKE ONE OF THE WAYS YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH THE NEED FOR YOUR OTHER PARKING IS THEN TO ALSO INCLUDE MORE LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT ALSO.
BUT THEN THINKING ABOUT HOW TO BEST MANAGE YOUR SNOW AS WELL TOO.
THAT'S WITHOUT KILLING YOUR TREES.
THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY OF, YOU KNOW, CHANGING.
LIKE EVEN PUTTING THAT ROW OF PARKING IN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE'S THE, UM, THIS WHOLE GRASS IN BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING LOTS, THERE'S CARS LINED IN IT RIGHT NOW AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING DISCUSSION.
LISTEN, I MEAN THAT I WOULD'VE WENT BIGGER, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE THE OLD NO, IT'S TOO MUCH BECAUSE THE VERY FIRST MEETING WE HAD, WELL SOME PEOPLE I'M SAYING IT'S TOO MUCH.
I DON'T WANNA OVERSHOOT IT AND CA THE WHOLE RIGHT.
THE WHOLE WATER, THE WHOLE WATER PARK.
BUT IT'S A, IT'S A THEORY ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
I'M THE PERSON I'VE NEVER BEEN BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE GO, ALL OF US ARE LIKE, NOPE, I GOTTA GO.
AND, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT, THE, THE BUILDING IS LARGE ENOUGH THAT IT'S NOT ELBOW TO ELBOW PEOPLE.
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INSIDE, EVEN THOUGH THE PARKING LOOKS LIKE THAT.THAT'S WHY WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TRYING TO FIX IT.
I MEAN IF PEOPLE ARE GROUP OF FRIENDS ARE MEETING UP AFTER WORK OR WHATEVER, LIKE THAT'S A LOT OF LIKE ONE CAR PER PERSON.
LIKE YOU JUST MEETING UP A GROUP OF FRIENDS.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING OUT YEAH'S A COUPLE.
PEOPLE DON'T CARPOOL LIKE YOU DO.
AND IF YOU HAVE A CAPACITY OF 400, I ALSO DON'T WANNA SEE LIKE A SEA OF CONCRETE, BUT LIKE IF WE HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM AND YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE USING ALL PAVES PLACES, PARKING, PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON THE GRASS, LIKE I'D RATHER SEE PEOPLE PARKING ON THE PAVEMENT THAN RIPPING UP THE LANDSCAPE AREA.
I DON'T, MAYBE THERE'S OUS PAVEMENT.
IF WE COULD DO MORE LANDSCAPE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PARK, I MEAN THERE'S VERY CLEARLY A PROBLEM THAT WE MAY NEED TO EXPANDS LATER.
ESPECIALLY AS YOU HOST EVENTS AND HAVE THINGS THERE.
FOUR OH PEOPLE, TWO OH BOTS DOESN'T SEEM, IS THAT FOUR OH PEOPLE? WELL THAT'S INCLUDING PLUS THE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT COME TO AN EVENT OR FOUR.
WELL, AND HONESTLY THE ROOF IS A LOT OF IT'S STANDING ROOM.
THE OCCUPANCY ON THE ROOF IS 150 AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING FOOD ON THE, SO IT'S PEOPLE HANGING OUT AND THEY'RE THERE.
BUT IS THAT PART OF THE 400 OR YEAH, 400 PLUS PART OF THE FOUR.
SO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PEOPLE YOU CAN HAVE IN THAT BUILDING AND ANY ONE TIME IS 400.
I'D HAVE TO PULL IT TO BE EXACTLY SURE.
BUT YEAH, BUT THERE'S NO OCCUPANCY FOR THE OUTSIDE PATIOS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S A LOT OF, IT'S A REALLY HIGH OCCUPANCY.
IT'S A VERY LARGE BUILDING, BUT IT'S VERY POPULAR.
IT, WELL, IT'S, IT'S VERY GOOD UP.
SEEMS A LITTLE, MIGHT BE BIASED.
I DUNNO, I CAN'T GET IN
SO, SO YOU GUYS ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH ME GETTING MORE PARKING
I MEAN, I WOULD BE OKAY TO THAT AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL PARKING WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING, PLANTING, NOT PLANNING, PLANTING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BALANCING BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING, TRYING TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, BUT THEN ALSO NOT TRYING TO HAVE THE WHOLE THIS LIKE PENINSULA TURN INTO A C
I WOULD ALMOST LIKE RATHER SEE THE, UM, THE PLANTINGS ON THE PERIMETER, RIGHT.
SO THAT, SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC AROUND IT AND EVERYTHING.
AND NONE OF THE US I MEAN THAT THERE'S, THERE'S STILL YEAH, THAT'S ALL WOODS.
ALMOST HALF THE SITE IS STILL ON THE BALANCE EVEN WITH AFTERWARDS.
AND CAN I ASK YOU, I LISTEN, WE'VE PLANTED A BUNCH OF TREES AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
CAN WE PLANT 'EM THIS WAY THOUGH? NOT OVER HERE BECAUSE I'M TAKING DOWN ALL THE TREES.
IF YOU LET ME DO THIS, I HAVE TO TAKE DOWN ALL THE TREES THAT I JUST PAID FOR AND JUST PUT IN.
SO IF WE CAN, IF WE, I'M FINE WITH TREES.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING YEAH, I THINK THAT'S TREE.
YEAH, THAT'S ALL, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL TREE.
THAT'S WHAT WOULD IT SPACE AND YOUR TREE CLEARING LAWS, YOU'RE TAKING OUT MORE TREES.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT GOES, IT REPLANTING THERE, IT GOES OFF TO THE TREES, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA GET TO THE TREES THAT ARE THERE.
SO IT'D BE REPLANTING ESSENTIALLY, BUT BUT WE'D ALSO BE MORE YEAH, IT'S, THAT'S THE USUAL WHEN YOU HAVE SPACE OVER THERE, SO YOU PUT YOUR SNOW AND NOT KILL THE TREES.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF I CAN GO THIS.
I I THINK THEY WOULD CUT IT, CUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
RIGHT NOW OUTSIDE I A VERY ATTRACTIVE BACKYARD AT ALL TO THAT BUSINESS, BUT I THINK THAT THE PERIMETER OF TREES WOULD HELP AND I CAN SUPPORT THIS ADDITIONAL MARKETING.
I THINK WE NEED TO, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE SOME MATH ON HOW WE WOULD APPROPRIATELY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD MAKE ME LOOK AT THE, WHAT THE TYPICAL NUMBERS ARE FOR TRAFFIC HEALTH.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THOSE TRAFFIC NUMBERS THAT THEY USE AND MAYBE GET OKAY.
SOMEBODY TO JUST DO A CALCULATION OF LIKE A TYPICAL NUMBER OF VEHICLES FOR USERS FOR THIS TYPE OF USE IS OKAY.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPROPRIATE PARKING IS.
SO HAVING THAT MATH BACKUP I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR US.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IN AN OUR JURISDICTION, BUT HOW ARE YOU ADDRESSING THE PARKING IN THE APARTMENT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR OVER THERE, IS IT? YOU KEEP THE WATER THERE.
SO FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS I'VE BEEN ASKING 'EM IF THE SIGNAGE UP AND GIVE THEIR PEOPLE PERMIT HOLDERS BECAUSE SO WHAT HAPPENS, TO BE TOTALLY HONEST WITH YOU, I LIKE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS THE WINTER TIME I, MY RESTAURANT'S OPEN AT 4:00 AM YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE OPENED UP BY BY THE PLOWING AND AS SOON AS THEY ALL GO OUT FOR WORK AND COME BACK HOME, THEY DON'T PARK IN THE SPOTS FULL SNOW.
THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS.
SO NOW, NOW THEY'RE MAD AT ME BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN THEIR, IN THEIR SPOTS.
SO THEY PUT A SIGNAGE SAYING PARKING RESTRICTED FOR A APARTMENT,
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YOU KNOW, FOR 10 MINUTES ONLY.SO, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, YOU CAN'T OF ENFORCE IT.
SO YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, NO.
SO IT'S BEEN, LISTEN, I'M TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND HELP IT AND, AND, AND ADD ON PARKING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S HELPING MY BUSINESS AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S FOR THEM TO, UH, THERE, THERE'S CERTAINLY MY CONVERSATION WITH THEIR TENANTS IS YOU HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
UM, THE MATH, WE HAVE TO ADD SOMETHING.
UM, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO ADD PARKING, BUT I THINK, I THINK GOING BACK TO US AFTER THIS MEETING YEAH, YEAH.
I THINK, I THINK THERE ALSO MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK CREATIVELY ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE LOCATION SO CLOSE TO THE LAKE.
AND MAYBE WE CAN, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS THINK VERY NARROWLY LIKE TREE CREEK, BUT WE DON'T THINK ABOUT LIKE, THE IMPORTANCE OF GRASSES AND SMALLER BUSHES AND THINGS THAT THE BIRDS THAT LIKE THE LAKE SHORE LIKE TO LIVE IN.
UM, AND SO MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER COMPROMISE WHERE LIKE THERE'S OTHER PLANTS.
IT'S LIKE, UH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SIX LIKE FOUR GRASSES ON HERE THAT ARE PROBABLY GONNA GET PLANTED IN THOSE ISLANDS BY THEMSELVES.
BUT MAYBE THERE'S, WE CAN MAKE A LITTLE MORE HABITAT TO OFFSET SOME OF THE LOSS OF THE TREES WITHOUT IT BEING AS MUCH OF A BURDEN AS LIKE TREE FOR TREE IN THAT AREA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT AREA, THAT'S WHERE I'M THINKING OF LIKE WHERE YEAH, THERE'S NO TREES IN THAT AREA, BUT THAT'S, LISTEN, LIKE CAN WE CREATIVELY THINK OF OF SOMETHING THAT LIKE THAT IF WE DO NEED TO ADD MORE PARKING, AT LEAST WE'VE ADDED A LITTLE HABITAT THAT LIKES THE LAKE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT AREA NECESSARILY
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN IT'S FORESTED OR IT'S WINDY.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, WELL IT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF GRASSES THOUGH.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU, YOU HAVE TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO KIND OF THINK CREATIVELY, UH, WANTS SKI, WE HAVE TO ADD LEAST THIS MUCH PARKING, IF NOT A BIGGER PARKING FOOTPRINT FOR S THOUGHT AND SOME MATH.
I MEAN, AND I, I GUESS EITHER THAT OR WE NEED TO CONSIDER LIKE FORMULA IN YOUR SITE PLAN INCLUDE THE PARKING ON YOUR ADJACENT PARCEL THAT YOU OWN AS PART OF IT.
LIKE WE NEED TO DO THAT TO THE MATH NUMBERS FOR THE PARKING.
LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MAKE THAT SO THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S NOT ANOTHER FUTURE BUSINESS IN THERE.
AND THEN THE PARKING IS NOT AVAILABLE THAT WE HAD BASED OUR PARKING ANALYSIS, THE FUTURE BUSINESS IN JOHNSON LANDING, UH, AT PIG'S PLACE AT THE OTHER ONE.
WE'RE INCLUDING, THEY'RE USING THE 70 SPOTS THERE IN ADDITION TO THIS.
SO THEY WILL STILL USE THE 70 YEP.
YEAH, THE 70 NEW SHOULD JUST HOPEFULLY REDUCE THE OVERFLOW AND THE PARKING ON THE ISLANDS IF THEY HAD, IF THEY HAD A CURB CUT AND SOLD THE OTHER LOT WHERE PEGS PLACES ON, THEY'D BE ASKING FOR TWICE AS MANY SPOTS.
WHICH IS NOT IN THE IMMEDIATELY FORESEEABLE FUTURE, BUT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN IF YOU'RE ABLE TO BUY THE LAW.
AND THAT, I MEAN, AND THAT'S A REAL CONCERN FOR ME IS THAT THEN YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING AT JOHNSON'S LENDING.
IS THAT A KIND OF CONDITION WE CAN ADD? IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S NOT IN OUR POWER TO ADD A CONDITION LIKE THAT AND THEY MERGE THE LOTS TOGETHER.
WELL, WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THE LAKESHORE IS WE HAVE PEOPLE PUT IN WHAT KIND OF AGREEMENTS THEY HAVE WITH ADJACENT OWNERS ABOUT PROPERTY AND PARKING.
LIKE OAKS HAS A LOT ACROSS THE STREETS.
UM, WE HAD SOMETHING AT UH, I THINK THE PUBLIC HOUSE WHERE, OR ONE OF THE, MAYBE THE ONE NEAR THE PUBLIC HOUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WAS CONVERGENCE COWORKING.
WE HAD THEM GET THE SMALL STREET YEAH.
SO THAT THAT'S WHAT WE BUT THAT WAS WHAT THE BUSINESSES THAT WEREN'T INTENDING TO BE THERE, I GUESS THERE'S A FUTURE SALE, IT'S SEVENTIES SPOTS IS THAT CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT IS DRIVING THROUGH AND THOSE ARE WITH THE D BUT RIGHT.
A A LONG TERM LIKE LEASE OF THE PARKING SPACES.
I DON'T WHY WOULD SOMEBODY BUY A LOT AND NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE PARKING, BUT THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT, WHY WOULD I SELL THAT LOT THEN YOU CAN'T GET OUT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S, I MEAN WE CAN, YOU CAN GET INTO WHAT IFS ALL DAY LONG, BUT I MEAN, I OWN IT.
I'M NOT SELLING IT BECAUSE IT'S THE ACCESS TO MY BUSINESS.
IT WOULD TAKE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT.
I'M DOING GOOD IF I GOT A LAUGH OUT OF THAT ONE.
BUT WHAT ABOUT, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY HOW YOU CONSOLIDATE YOUR FOOTPRINT AND HAVE MOST CASES TO DO OTHER STUFF YEAH.
MEAN THAT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE EARTH.
SAY WHAT, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS OF, I MEAN, I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, I KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FOR THIS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE PARKING GROUND, UNDERGROUND PARKING GARAGE,
YOU CAN'T UNDERGROUND, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN MY, MY CELL PUMPS AT LAKE LEVEL.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE WE FREE SHUTTLE SERVICE BUS TO SOMEWHERE.
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I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.I'M JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH, THERE'S CLEARLY A, THE CAPACITY DOES NOT MATCH.
BUT I THINK WE'RE TAKING THE IN INITIAL STEP BASED ON THE CURRENT DEMAND AND THAT IS NOT OVERLY, YOU KNOW, OVER GRACIOUSLY AGGRESSIVE.
THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS LONG AS WE GET THE MATH AND LANDSCAPING WITH THIS ASPECT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
WE WANT MATH THAT HELPS US DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PARKING NUMBERS ARE APPROPRIATE AND SOMETHING POSSIBLY CREATIVE WITH THE LANDSCAPING ON LAKESHORE.
UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR HOMEWORK FOR UH, SO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE JOHNSON'S LANDING.
WE WANT ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE DO THAT? ANYTHING ELSE WE, WE CAN.
I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU DIDN'T COME IN SAYING WE WANNA CUT THE WHOLE TREE LOT DOWN AND PAVE IT ALL.
YEAH, WELL I, I, LISTEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT REASONABLY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, AND YOU KNOW ANTHONY CUT HIM OUT.
WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME ON THIS AS, AS NUMBER ONE WITH THE, WITH THE REASONING BEING IS THAT THE BLACK TOP COMPANIES GENERALLY CAN MANUFACTURED PLANTS.
WELL YEAH, BUT
THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS ALL FOR SNOW.
IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL AS FAR AS WE'RE SHORT PARKING.
IT IS THIS A TYPE THIS BE A TYPE TWO TOGETHER? MY CONSULTANT HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING IN SITE PLAN.
UM, NEXT TIME THEY COME BACK IS NOVEMBER.
NEXT TIME THEY COME BACK IS NOVEMBER IN.
PROBABLY DECEMBER WOULD BE A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME THAT I THINK WE COULD STICK TO.
I KNOW I DON'T GET ANY ING IN DECEMBER, BUT IF WE COME BACK ON, ALRIGHT, WELL I GUESS WE HAVE MEETINGS NOVEMBER 1ST.
YEAH, I PUT IT ON FOR NOVEMBER 1ST, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A TYPE TWO A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT I'M WONDERING, WE, I JUST SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 1ST.
IF WE WERE READY FOR THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU WOULD NEED THE FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION THEN.
SO WE WOULD NEED THE FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION BY, UH, OCTOBER 27TH.
AND THEN HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 1ST AND ASSUMING EVERYTHING WAS SATISFIED AND THERE WAS NO COMMENTS ABOUT THINGS THAT WE HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT OF BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE CAN MAYBE DO AN APPROVAL THEN THAT'S, THAT'S PUSHING IT THOUGH.
THAT'S NOT REALLY APPROVAL WOULD BE NOVEMBER 1ST.
AND THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GUARANTEE THAT IT'D BE NOVEMBER 1ST, BUT THAT'D BE THE EARLIEST WE COULD DO IS WE CAN, WE COULD TRY AND GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND, AND SHOOT FOR THAT.
NOT MAKING ANY GUARANTEES THAT WE CAN APPROVE IT ON THAT DAY.
SO YOU ON ME TO ADDRESS EVERYTHING
IF EVERYTHING'S RIGHT, IF EVERYTHING'S ADDRESSED PERFECTLY AND WE, AND NOBODY WAS THE BIG AND WE DON'T HAVE SOME COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT BRING UP THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED BY NOW OR HAVEN'T CONSIDERED BEFORE THEN THAT WEREN'T ADDRESSED THEN YEAH, WE COULD PROBABLY, POSSIBLY.
WELL WE NEED TO SEE ALL THE UPDATED STORM WATER TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL PRIVY SURFACE.
SO IF YOU WANNA TALK TO CAMMY TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE, I WAS GONNA JUMP IN AND SAY THAT THAT'S A, LET'S SAY YOU CAN PUSH IT END NOVEMBER 1ST APPROVAL.
HE STILL NEEDS ENGINEERING APPROVAL.
AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GONNA BE ABOUT DRAIN.
SO IF ME WANTS TO WORK ON THAT AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE MOVE THINGS ALONG.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FIRST? NO.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THEN LET'S JUST DO THAT AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN WORRY ABOUT, OKAY.
DO YOU, DO YOU STILL WANT, UM, A SHORT FORM WITH THE APPLICATION? LET'S TYPE TWO.
AND IF YOU COME ACROSS SEVEN AND YOU DON'T THINK YOU'LL MAKE THAT COME ANOTHER MEETING AND CAN MOVE STUFF AROUND, JUST LET JOSH NEXT MEETING.
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YEP.SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JOHNSON'S LANDING FOR NOVEMBER 1ST.
IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY DAN.
NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS FISHER RENTAL PROPERTIES, LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO 9,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSES AND 5 1 7 3 SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD.
AGAIN, ANTHONY PAN CAR DESIGN.
UM, AS MENTIONED, UM, TWO 9,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS.
UH, 180 5 50 FOR EACH ONE LOCATED AT 51 73 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND THEN I BELIEVE THIS IS CAMP ROAD UP HERE.
UM, THIS IS THE FISHER BUS, UM, GARAGE.
WE'RE PROPOSING THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS KIND OF BROKEN, UH, GRAVEL AREA, SO WE WOULD CLEAN THAT UP AND REPAVE IT AND EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, AGAIN, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO IF THEY MAKE QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER.
SO WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN THE WAREHOUSES? NOTHING.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE STORAGE WAREHOUSES FOR, UH, FOR THE BUS RENTAL.
UM, I'M NOT SURE AT THE TIME IF HE PLANS ON RENTING THEM OUT OR NOT FOR LIKE CONTRACTOR STORAGE OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT FOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE WAREHOUSES.
UM, CONTRACTOR, WE NEED SOME SORT OF A CERTIFICATION ON HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND WHAT THEY WOULD BE STORING IN HERE.
I, I GUESS IF THERE WAS GONNA BE ANY INDOOR FUEL STORAGE OR FLAMMABLE, I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE WOULD NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
YEAH, I THINK WE ALSO NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHO IS GOING TO BE STORING THINGS IN THERE OR WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC MINI STORAGE OR IF IT'S WAREHOUSING.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE RENTING THEM OUT, THEY THINK YOU NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR PUBLIC MINI STORAGE.
BUT IF IT'S THE BUS COMPANY USING IT FOR THEIR OWN INTERNAL THINGS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT.
YEAH, IF YOU'RE JUST LEASING IT THEN TO THE BUS COMPANY, THEN THAT'S FINE.
AND WAREHOUSING, SERVICING OUT TO OTHER ENTITIES AND THEN COMES PUBLIC MINI STORAGE.
ARE THERE DIFFERENT, THE WAREHOUSE VERSUS PUBLIC MINI STORAGE.
SO IT'S LIKE A COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSING, THERE'S A DIFFERENT LAW FOR THAT THAN PUBLIC MINI STORAGE.
LIKE WAREHOUSE VERSUS A MINI STORAGE ONE.
YEAH, SO THE BIRTH PARKWAY WAREHOUSING THAT, UM, LIBERTY STORAGE ONE, THAT ONE IS JUST, WE'RE HAVING DOLLAR STORAGE AND THAT ONE, BUT IT'S NOT BEING, YEAH.
SO THE FACT THAT IF THEY'RE RENTED OUT THEN AUTOMATICALLY MAKES STORE, THEN THAT'S NOT THE BUS BUS COMPANY PUTTING MATERIALS IN THERE.
OR IF IT'S LIKE A CLOTHING ALSO, WHETHER IT'S ENTIRELY INDOOR, JUST IT BUILD BEATED.
ARE THEY HEATED BUILDINGS OR IS IT JUST, I MEAN, IS IT TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED OR IS IT I DON'T BELIEVE, I BELIEVE IT'S ALL JUST FULL STORAGE.
SO
WE JUST NEED CLARIFICATION OF WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
YOU COULD JUST CONFIRM BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF THAT THAT'S BROKEN UP, LIKE DISTURBED AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A BUNCH OF GRASS.
YEAH, SOME OF THEM MIGHT ACTUALLY JUST, AND THEN IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL STORM WATER NEEDS AND WHERE YOU CAN PUT THAT FOR THE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, DEPENDING HOW MUCH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO TELL WHAT YOU'RE PAVING IS NEW AND IMPERVIOUS VERSUS BROKEN UP OVER THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY WELL DEFINED ON THE PLAN YET, BUT UM, BUT YEAH, HE WOULD ACCOUNT FOR, FOR ALL OF THAT.
AND THEN THEN SEEING SOME SORT OF SCREENING.
I KNOW THE LANE GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN THERE IN THE DISTANCE FROM THAT, UH, CREEPY DRIVE IS RIGHT BACK BEHIND THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S, THIS PART IS LIKE CONCRETE, BUT THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S GRASS.
I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME VISUALIZING WHERE WE'RE
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TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE.YEAH, THAT'S I'M WELL, BECAUSE NO, IT GOES, YEAH, I MEAN, WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? ANY ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TABLE.
FISHER RENTAL PROPERTIES LLC TO NOVEMBER 1ST.
I MEAN, IT'S WAY BACK THERE, BUT LIKE, IF THEY'RE GONNA MATCH THE EXISTING I'M, I'M SORRY.
I WAS, WHAT WAS THAT PAINT COLOR? LIKE WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE? WHAT COLOR GONNA MATCH IN THE BARBECUE? UM, WE HAVEN'T PREPARED ANY PLANS FOR THIS OR NOT, SO I, OH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY JUST TABLE IT UNTIL WE'RE RIGHT.
WE HAVE THE FULL APPLICATION READY.
THEN I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE FISHER RENTAL PROPERTY.
THERE'S A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CALIN M.
I LIKE THE BIGGEST STEP INTO THAT.
I FEEL LIKE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
I'M HERE TO MAKE YOU WORK FOR IT, BILL.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT CONCLUDES THE WORK SESSION.
SO WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 4TH MEETING IN THE TOWN OF HE PLANNING BOARD.
PLEASE RISE IN PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE PLAN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING TO FEED MORE WESTERN NEW YORK REQUEST SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 197,700 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY AT 4 8 3 2 CAMP
UM, SO WE GOT SOME LETTERS FROM DOT AND THE COMMITTEE.
DID YOU GUYS GET A COPY OF THOSE? YES, WE DID.
YES, WE DID BELIEVE, YEAH, WE, UH, WE WANT, WE WANNA STATE THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THEM AND THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY PURSUING, UM, RESPONSES TO ALL THE MENTS.
WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE ALSO HAD A FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATION WITH DAN CASTLE, UM, WHO IS THE MANAGER FOR ME, LEE ORTIZ.
UM, TO EXPLAIN WHY THE DECISION WAS MADE FOR THE PLACEMENT ON THE PROPERTY, AND HE UNDERSTANDS THE DECISION AND HE POINTED OUT THAT IT WAS MERELY, PURELY A RECOMMENDATION, NOT AN MANDATE.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND THAT'S THE, THE, THE COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO I GUESS MY, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS BASED ON THAT, ON THE MAP THERE.
SO WHERE'S THE CLOSEST BUS STOP? UH, THE CLOSEST BUS STOP THAT WE ARE AWARE OF IS NEAR THE WALMART.
UM, WE HAVE SPOKEN SEVERAL TIMES TO KIM MLE ABOUT TRYING, UH, FROM THE NFTA ABOUT EXTENDING IT FURTHER.
SHE'S RECOMMENDED THAT WE LET AMAZON DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FIRST, AND THAT BY THE TIME THAT WE ARE READY TO BE OCCUPYING THE BUILDING, IT WOULD NEARLY BE AN EXTENSION RATHER THAN CREATION A NEW LINE.
BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE MOST PREVALENT LINES IN THE MORNING ARE GOING OUT OF HAMBURG INTO THE CITY, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
AMAZON HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO GET LINES COMING OUT OF THE CITY IN, SO THAT, THAT'S BEEN HER RECOMMENDATION FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW, IS TO LET THEM DO THE HEAVY LIFT AND THEN WE'LL COME IN AFTER.
SO THERE'S BUS STOPS THAT CAMP AND SOUTHWESTERN.
AND THERE'S ONE AT CAMP ROAD IN HOWARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GET USED, BUT THERE'S THERE'S A BUS ON EACH SIDE.
IT SHOULD BE AN EASY LIFT FOR THEM TO MAKE BY ADDRESS
SO IS, I KNOW THE SCHEDULE IS NOT VERY BUSY.
IT'S LIKE TWICE A DAY IN AND OUT AND TWICE A DAY.
IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T LOST STOP IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE AND THERE'S NOT A CONVENIENCE SCENARIO WHEN, UM, WHAT IS, I MEAN, AMAZON'S COME UP A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR.
WE SEE THIS LAST TIME, BUT AMAZON HAS BEEN BUILT IN THERE AND NOT MOVED IN FOR SOME TIME.
AND I GUESS I AM ARE THEY ACTUALLY GOING IN THERE? I'VE HEARD THERE MIGHT, THERE'S ACTUALLY MOVEMENT
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GOING, THERE'S, THERE'S MOVEMENT GOING IN AND OUT MM-HMMSO THEY ARE USING THAT BECAUSE BEFORE IT SEEMS LIKE JUST GOING TO, AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
SO, SO WHEN I SAW THAT COMMENT, I WAS THINKING, LOOK AT IT.
ONE OF THE WAYS TO ADDRESS THEIR COMMENT WOULD BE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A DESTINY WALKWAY THAT WENT TOWARDS CAMP.
WE'RE GOING, WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY CURRENTLY AT EITHER OF THE TWO CONTIGUOUS PROPERTIES.
SO IT WOULD BE A WALKWAY TO NOWHERE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, SINCE THERE IS NOT ONE IN FRONT OF THE CEMETERY OR IN FRONT OF WHERE THE DIALYSIS CENTER IN INFRINGED WITNESS ARE.
THE CURRENT SIDEWALK ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET GOES FROM POWER DEPLETION TO THE, AND YEAH.
AND THEN THERE'S A VAST EMPTY AREA ALL THE WAY DOWN THE CAMPUS.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS RUN INTO.
WE WANT, WANT PEOPLE TO PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS.
UH, ONE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA WAIVE IT, IT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED.
SO IT'S, SO ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, WE WOULD WANT YOU PUT IN THE SIDEWALKS, EVEN IF THEY GO NOWHERE, UM, IN THE HOPES THAT WE CAN GET 'EM FILLED IN AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
UM, SO A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THAT WENT FROM THE BUILDING TO THE SIDEWALK ON CAMP, IF MAYBE SOMETIME WE GET A BUS STOP THERE, IF THE LANE GETS EXTENDED, THE BUS STOP'S RIGHT ON THERE, THEN AT LEAST THE SITE OF THE WALKWAY WOULD GO TO A BUS STOP.
CHAIRMAN THERE, THERE'S A WALKWAY.
NOW THE INTENTION WOULD BE FROM A, YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, A POTENTIAL FUTURE BUS STOP.
THERE IS A WALKWAY FROM THE BUILDING TO CAMP ROAD.
IN THE, IN THE PACE DESIGN WITH THE IDEA THAT THAT BUS STOP IS, THAT WAS ALONG THE DRIVEWAY, CORRECT? YEAH.
RUNS PARALLEL ON THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S A, THERE'S GREEN SPACE AND ON WALKWAY THE ROAD, HE ALSO DESIGNED THE SITE LAYOUT TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE BUS STOP INTERNAL TO THE SITE, RIGHT IN AREA
SO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE LENGTH FOR THE SETBACKS, ULTIMATELY WHERE THE BUILDING'S BEEN POSITIONED, WE THOUGHT FROM A INVESTMENT IN WALKWAY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT BUILDING VERSUS THE CEMETERY, THAT MAY AT SOME POINT, IF IT EVER CHANGES, HAVE A WALKWAY TO SOMEWHERE.
UH, BUT DOUBTFUL VERSUS LET'S INVEST THOSE DOLLARS IN CONCRETE TO THE STREET THAT COULD UTILIZE WITH THE WORKFORCE.
WE, WELL, AND AS, AS I WAS SAYING THOUGH, IT'S UP TO US TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA WAIVE THE SIDEWALK.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD, THAT WOULD BE LONG CAMP.
SO WHERE WOULD THE BUS STOP IN, IN THE FUTURE BUS STOP? WHERE WOULD IT BE? RIGHT IN FRONT OF BEMORE? YES.
UM, AT OUR CURRENT FACILITY, WE HAVE AN ACTUAL BUS SHELTER ON OUR PROPERTY, WHICH NFTA PROVIDED FOR US.
UM, SO IF THE LINE WERE EXTENDED AND THE, UM, BUS WAS ALLOWED TO COME THAT FAR, WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM FOR THE SAME TYPES OF ACCOMMODATIONS.
SO DO YOU HAVE A SIDE? AND THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF A COMMITMENT? I I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS ABOUT THIS, AND THEY ARE IN EXTREME FINANCIAL DISTRESS, SO THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO MAKE THE COMMITMENTS TO DO ANY BUS LINE EXTENSIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THAT WAS WHY THEY HAD RECOMMENDED.
SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH AMAZON AND THEN WE'LL TALK THROUGH IN A FEW YEARS.
I, I GOTTA BE HONEST, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE SIDEWALKS ON, ON CAMP.
I, I MEAN THIS, THIS DEVELOPING STAFF, THE SIDEWALKS WITHIN ON CAMPUS, BUT FOR THE SIDEWALK TO GO NOWHERE AND I DON'T SEE IT BEING DEVELOPED IN THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT, THAT ARE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO TO GET SIDEWALKS UP AND DOWN CAMP ROAD TARBUCKS, MAKE THEM DO IT.
THEN WE HAVE, WE GOTTA LOOK DOWN TO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO SOUTH SHORE TOO.
YOU DON'T WANNA TELL 'EM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT 'EM UP AND SOUTH SHORE DEVELOPS AND WE MAKE THEM DO IT.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, DON'T GIVE THEM A SIDEWALK WAIVER AT THIS POINT.
UM, WHICH SEEMS TO AGREE WITH, BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IF WE ALWAYS WAIVE IT, THEN, THEN THEY'RE NEVER, WE'RE GETTING DEVELOPED ON THAT SIDE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE WE WANNA ASK BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS, UM, SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE CULTURAL RESOURCES STUFF, WHICH WAS ALSO ONE OF THE COMMENT LETTERS THAT WE GOT.
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AND YOU HAVE A LETTER THAT CAME IN THAT SAID NO ADDITIONAL STUDY WAS NEEDED, WHICH WILL PRH.BUT THEY ALSO NOTED IN THEIR LETTER THAT DEREK ROAD FROM THEIR TECHNICAL SERVICES VIEWER WAS CONTINUING REVIEW AND WAS GONNA PROVIDE AN IMPACT DETERMINATION.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE TIMING OF THAT RESPONSE IS? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY? NO, UH, CULTURAL RESOURCES.
SO WE, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY, UH, GONE THROUGH AN, UH, PHASE ONE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AND THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED LAST YEAR.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A LETTER THAT WAS FROM SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR THAT SAID THAT DERRICK ROAD WAS GONNA PROVIDE AN IMPACT DETERMINATION, BUT WE DIDN'T GET THAT LETTER.
SO WE ONLY HAVE ONE OF THE LETTERS AND IT LOOKS LIKE I'M, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT COMMENT.
UH, IT'S IN THE LETTER FROM SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2022.
SO IN THE LETTER THAT YOU'VE GOT FROM THAT DATE, UH, THE SECOND LAST PARAGRAPH HAS A NOTE ABOUT HOW THEY ARE CONTINUING THEIR REVIEW AND AN IMPACT DETERMINATION WAS GONNA BE PROVIDED.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LETTER, WHATEVER THAT IMPACT DETERMINATION IS AND WHATEVER FOLLOW UP.
I I MEAN IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IT, WE SHOULD PUT IT IN THE FILE IN THE BACKUP FOR THE, THE SECRET IF, I MEAN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL IT OUT, CHRIS, IF YOU GO IN THERE, IF IT EXISTS.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING THE NOTICE? SORRY, THE TWO LETTERS THAT SAID THEY WERE APPEAR RESPONSE TO THE DOT AND THE COUNTY DDC BUT NOT, WEREN'T THERE ALSO COMMENTS FROM THE REGULAR DDC WAS THERE? I THINK THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA RESPOND TO THE, ANY OF THE, I MEAN THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATIONAL STUFF THAT, SO THERE WAS LIKE, OH, YOU'VE GOTTA DO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA FILE FOR THIS.
THAT, UM, WE, UH, SO REGARDS TO THERE, ANY OF THE COMMENTS WE'RE FOLLOWING UP FOR THE, THE, UH, NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WE'RE FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FOLLOWING UP WITH THAT IN REGARDS TO THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY AND, AND, AND RESPONDING TO ALL THEIR BULLETED COMMENTS THAT THEY HAVE IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, DIVISION OF SEWER MANAGEMENT.
UM, THE, THE ITEMS THAT THEY STATED, AGAIN, SOME ARE INFORMATIONAL IN REGARDS TO THE GRID STRAP AND, UH, REGARDS TO THE GREASE STRAP AND THE OIL SEPARATOR, WE'VE ALREADY INCORPORATED THAT, THAT INTO THE JOB REGARDS TO THE PRELIMINARY SEWER STUDY.
UH, WE ARE SUBMITTING A PACKAGE, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE, WITH THE SEWER AUTHORITY AND WE'RE SUBMITTING A PACKAGE, UH, BY THE END OF THIS WEEK FOR THEM FOR THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW ON THAT.
UM, AND IN REGARDS TO THE, THE PHASE ONE REGARDS TO THE PERMITTING FOR THE ELIMINATION SYSTEM GENERAL PERMIT, UM, THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED ALONG WITH A, A, A NOTICE OF INTENT AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PROCESS BECAUSE THAT IS A DATED PERMIT TYPE, UH, DOCUMENT.
JUST PICTURE, I DUNNO WHEN THAT TURNED OFF.
YOU ALREADY, I DO NOT KNOW WHEN, SEE IF THERE'S A BATTERY THING ON IT.
NOTICE NOTICES HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN ON GA PLANNING BOARD WILL BEND UP A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY FEED MORE WESTERN NEW YORK TO CONSTRUCT A 200,000 SQUARE WORTH FACILITIES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO A COMMISSIONARY, A COMMISSARY WAREHOUSE, DRY STORAGE, FULL STORAGE, WORKFORCE TRAINING, VOLUNTEER SPACE AND CORPORATE OFFICE SPACE TO BE LOCATED AT 4 8 3 2 CAMP ROAD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON OCTOBER 4TH, 2023 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B HAMBURG
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR FEED MORE.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTED TO COMMENT ABOUT THIS PROJECT RIGHT FOR THE SECOND TIME? ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE FEED? MORE WESTERN NEW YORK PROJECT ON
THERE WERE ONE ON THE DOLLAR GENERAL, RIGHT? ANOTHER ONE, THE DOLLAR GENERAL ONE FOR WATCH AND ONE OF THE SPANISH
SO WE HAVE PARTS TWO AND THREE.
OH, THAT'S NOT, THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, UM, RIGHT.
DO WE WANNA GO OVER THOSE NOW? UM, I THINK WE CAN.
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I I DON'T KNOW THAT THE RESPONSES THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA SUBMIT TO THOSE COMMENTS ARE MAJORITY OF THE RESPONSE IS ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, T'S ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE HEARD CONVERSATION ABOUT GENERAL ABOUT HOWARD, RIGHT?SO THAT'S PART OF THAT UPDATE, WHICH ULTIMATELY HAS TO BE DONE.
UH, THE, UH, UM, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, UM, AGAIN, THAT WILL BE ISSUED AT THE TIME AND SWIFT AND WHAT HAVE YOU, RIGHT? SO MOST OF THEM EITHER BEEN ACCOMMODATED ALREADY IN THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED AND ARE KIND OF THEIR STANDARDS QUESTIONS BACK ACCOUNT AND, AND OR OUR LETTER ADDRESS THE REST.
SO WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE WITH WHAT WE SAW OVERALL, BUT AT LEAST YOU GUYS DISCRETION GOING FORWARD.
SO CAN I ASK SOME QUESTION? YEAH.
I WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME STUFF AND ANSWER A COUPLE QUESTIONS BECAUSE NOT
SO, UM, HOW MUCH MATERIAL IS GONNA HAVE TO GET MOVED AS PART OF YOUR SITE PLAN TO PUT THIS IN? SO ONE OF 'EM, I GUESS HOW MUCH, HOW MANY CUBIC YARDS OR WHAT AMOUNT OF SOIL DISTURBANCE, I MEAN, ARE YOU GONNA PUT IN FOUNDATIONS NEW STUFF? HOW ARE YOU BALANCING THE CUT UNTIL ON THE SITE? SO, YEAH, SO I, I DON'T HAVE QUANTITIES STORY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IN TERMS OF VOLUME OF MOVING, BUT THE CERTAIN EFFORT MADE TO BALANCE, OBVIOUSLY THE CUT FELL ON THE SITE BECAUSE THE COST OF, WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY OFF.
WE'RE USING THE PRESENTED BEFORE WE'RE USING THE NATURAL FALL OF THE, OF THE SITE AND TRYING TO, UH, PICK UP GRADE WHERE WE NEED TO WITH THE, THE BUILDING WE'RE IN, HOW IT'S WITH THE VOTING DOCKS ON THE NORTH SIDE, IT'S MORE PART THE SITE.
SO THAT'S OUR EFFORT TO, TO BALANCE THE
DO YOU, CAN YOU COME UP WITH US AND YOUR RESPONSES TO A TERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S MORE THAN A THOUSAND TONS OF NATURAL MATERIAL THAT ARE GETTING MOVED ON THE SITE.
AND, AND I AND I THINK IF THE, THAT'S FINE THAT, THAT IS, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THEN THAT WE ARTICULATE IN OUR PART THREE THAT THEY'RE BALANCING THE MATERIAL ON THE SITE AND THAT'S GONNA BE USED.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BIG PROJECTS, LOTS OF STUFF HAPPENING.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL WHAT, WHAT'S THE
IT'S, IT'S MORE THAT'S EXCAVATION AND REMOVAL.
AND THEN, UM, AND HOW LONG IS THE CONSTRUCTION EXPECTED TO TAKE? ONE YEAR LESS THAN ONE YEAR.
IT'S ESTIMATED APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS.
SO THEN WE NEED TO FIX THAT ON ONE E AND THEN JUST, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO KNOW THEN.
SO YOU GUYS WILL DO THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR SWIFT AND YOUR ENS PLAN AND YES.
SO THAT WOULD BE DONE IN MITIGATION FRONT GREEN.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SECRET, BUT TYPICALLY A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I'M EXPECTING YOU'RE GONNA SUBMIT AN ENGINEER'S REPORT AT THE TIME WITH JUST THE GENERAL WATER SEWER OR, OR YEAH.
SO I CAN VERIFY THAT, BUT IT IS AFTER YOU GUYS DO SEWER.
SO JUST FOR INFORMATION, WOULD YOU, YOU'RE NOT HAVING A STORM WATER POND WITH WATER, IS IT GONNA HAVE STANDING WATER IN IT OR NOT? YES.
WE'RE TREATING STORM WATER THROUGH A SERIES OF BIO RETENTION AND BASICALLY, AND THEN THEY'LL BE MANAGED IN A ACCORD WITH THE DEC GUIDELINES FOR RELATED ASSIGNMENTS.
AND THEY, AND ON ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT, UH, I'M SORRY, SHOWING AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE LONG TERM.
SECOND, I'M MARKING THESE UP JOSH, SO I'LL USE YOU ARE NOT DOING ANY WORK IN THE WELL, YOU'RE AVOIDING SIDEWALK.
IT'S THE ONLY THING IS IT WAS WE'RE CROSSING THAT ONE SMALL STREAM, WHAT CALLED UM, STRUCTURE, THAT'S IT OUT
A NO, BUT I DON'T THINK, UM, AND SO FENCING AROUND THE WATER BODIES AND AT THE EDGE OF THE WETLAND STATE TO AVOID THAT AREA DURING CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S STANDARD REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? YES.
AND IF IT'S CLOSE, WE TYPICALLY ASK FOR SIGNS
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THAT SAY PROTECTIVE WEAPON TO ENSURE THAT NO CONTRACTOR GETS FULL RESULTS.NONE OF THIS IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND YOU COULD HAVE MORE THAN 10 ACRES OF CLEARING NO TREE CLEARING.
IT'S MOSTLY IN THE NON-CLEAR AREA, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THERE'S LESS THAN 10 ACRES OF TREE CLEAR.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
SO AS PART OF THAT TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, WE'LL IDENTIFY IN BETTER, I BETTER REMOVING IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT.
SO WE CAN ATTEND THOSE NOTES TO PART SEVEN, PART TWO AND PART THREE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER, JUST SOME ESTIMATES ON WHAT THE CLEARING IS AND THE MAKE SURE, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE THE LETTER, THE CULTURE OF WHATEVER THAT SECOND LETTER WAS ON THE CULTURE SOURCE.
I, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE WHERE YEAH.
AND IF THERE'S NOT ONE, IF YOU COULD JUST ASK THEM TO CLOSE THAT LOOP JUST 'CAUSE IT MADE IT SOUND LIKE THEY WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING ELSE.
I'M ASSUMING YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT 11 A I NO IMPAIRMENT ECOSYSTEM FUNCTIONS SINCE WE'RE AVOIDING THE WETLAND AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SIZE THE CULVER APPROPRIATELY.
SIZE THE CULVERT FOR THE WE'RE OKAY.
LET'S DOUBLE CHECKING THE MAP TOO.
I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE DO THOUGH.
IT'S NOT THE DC LETTER I WOULD SAY.
THEY, THEY NO, THEY'RE THE TRUSTED RESOURCE.
YEAH, THEY USUALLY PUT IT IN THERE.
THEY DID THE SOLAR PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, THEY DID OTHER THINGS.
SO IT'S USUALLY NOT OH, IN THIS PART THOUGH.
HOW MANY MORE, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY PARKING SPACE? SORRY, I'M JUST ASKING ALL THESE SO I CAN, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES, DO YOU RECALL HOW MANY THERE WERE? LESS THAN 500 LESS THAN, OR THERE WERE LESS THAN 500? YES.
YEAH, WE, WE, WE SU THAT WITH, WITH THE SUBMISSION.
WE SET A A SPREADSHEET EXPLAIN HOW PROPERTY WASD LIGHTING.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE SHOULD NOTE IN PART THREE ABOUT THE COMP PLAN FOR THIS AREA? OKAY, THAT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SORRY.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GET THE RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS AND WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE TABLE THIS TO NOVEMBER 1ST.
WE'LL HAVE THE RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS WELL IN ADVANCE OF THAT MEETING AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, SO BASED BASED ON THE COMMENTS THOUGH, THERE, THERE WERE PERIOD TO KNOW IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAFF A CONDITIONAL TYPE OF APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA RESPOND TO THEM BUT NONE OF THEM WERE OF ANY MAJOR CONSEQUENCE.
SO JUST A QUESTION LIKE FROM THE DC STANDPOINT AND THE, THE, UM, STORM DRAIN WAS ADDRESSED AND THE NUMBER OF THINGS TAKEN CARE OF.
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IT'S OKAY.IT JUST MORE FROM AN EFFICIENCY OF, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING OFF WITH THE AGENCY THE NUMBER OF CAN DOWN UNTIL WORK.
SO SOME OF THAT ALL HAS TO GET ADDED INTO OUR SEEKER RESPONSES.
SO I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO GET YOUR RESPONSES BACK FOR POST SEE AND THAT'S MY OPINION.
WE WOULD NEED INFORMATION TO I WOULD AGREE WHAT YOU NO, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK IT COULD BE CONDITIONED.
WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT NO, SHOULD WAIT.
YOU SAYING WE SHOULD WAIT? YEAH, LET'S FOUR.
SO, UM, SO WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH TO CAST ANYWAY THEN.
SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL TABLE THIS TO NOVEMBER 1ST.
WE GET THE RESPONSES IN AND YEP.
GUESS BASED ON THAT WHEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME, RIGHT? AS A WHOLE FROM
BUT HE IS SAYING HE IS NOT GONNA HAVE A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY.
SOME INFORMATION MAY UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDIES, WHICH IS NOT A, WHICH WHICH PROBABLY HELP YOU GUYS LONG TERM WITH YOUR POWER GROWTH CONVERSATIONS.
HOPEFULLY CONDITIONAL ON THAT WOULD STILL BE RELEVANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO, SO THE QUESTION HE'S ASKING IS ON NOVEMBER 1ST WOULD BE WILLING, WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE SIGN OFF ON CCO WITH THE WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE ON TRANSPORTATION, ON TRAFFIC WITHOUT THE INFORMATION REALLY.
I, I WOULD GUESS 'CAUSE THE, THE BURDEN OF THRESHOLD IS ON US.
DREW JUST WENT OVER THAT IN OUR TRAINING.
BUT THAT IF WE CAN'T FIRMLY DOCUMENT THAT IT IS A NEGATIVE DECK, THE O THE DEFAULT IS TO MAKE IT A POSITIVE DECK AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT.
IT WILL TAKE A LOT LONGER THAN IF WE GET THE YEAH, IT WOULD BE, I I KIND OF THOUGHT THE DOT'S TRAFFIC THING WAS UH, KIND OF BECAUSE THINGS WERE IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND THINGS.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS, THAT'S WHAT WE SAW AS WELL.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT OR CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE ULTIMATE DECISION BUT RIGHT.
BUT I'M, I'M PULLING IT UP AGAIN.
SO LOOK HERE ABOUT THE TRIP GENERATION, RIGHT? SO THE, THE THREE, SO THE MAJORITY OF THE COUPLE OF COMMENTS ARE, ARE, ARE RESPONSES.
THE STUDY PART, THAT'S THE TIME TAKER AND THAT'S THE SIGNAL WARRANT ANALYSIS, THE LEFT RIGHT JUROR LANE WAR ANALYSIS AND CRASH ANALYSIS, THAT'S ALL NEW INFORMATION THAT HAS TO BE GATHERED AND THEN APPROPRIATELY INPUTTED INTO THE DATA FLOW AND THEN, AND THE REPORT GENERATED.
THAT'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE STUCK BECAUSE IN FACT SOME TRAFFIC IS A PEAKER REQUIREMENT AND IF WE'RE WAITING ON LIGHT ANALYSIS, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT, LASTING WAS THE NE FOR LIGHT BECAUSE OF THE LEFT OUT OF THERE BEING SO TRICKY.
UM, I I FEEL LIKE WE'RE STUCK ON SEEKER UNTIL WE HAVE THE LIGHT ANALYSIS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY AT LEAST.
YEAH, I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE ULTIMATELY THEY COME BACK AND DOT DEMAND, SO MORE SATELLITE IS ULTIMATELY LEGAL THERE BECAUSE OF DOUBLE TRAFFIC HOUSE TO THE LEFT.
AND ALTHOUGH THE MAJORITY ARE GONNA TURN RIGHT TO GO THROUGH THE THREEWAY TO ACCESS THE OTHER BANKS IN THE CITY, NOT THE DOWNTOWN CENTER FOR PROPERTY.
UM, SO WITH FAIRLY ATED THE LIGHT WON'T BE THERE, BUT IF IT WAS, I WOULD THINK WE POTENTIALLY CONTINGENT APPROVAL COULD BE WARRANT IT AT THAT NEXT MEETING BASED ON, YOU KNOW, ABOVE THAT IF THERE'S LIKE RIGHT.
THAT'S I WAS HOPING YEAH, I SEE YOUR ARGUMENT NO MATTER WHAT.
EITHER WAY WE'RE STILL GONNA, NOTHING IN THERE SAID YOU CAN'T BUILD IT FROM WHAT I SAW BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE THERE, RIGHT? SO, SO ON ONE HAND WE'VE GOT THE DOT REQUESTING SOME SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON THE OTHER, THIS IS CAMP ROAD, IT'S A FOUR LANE MAIN THOROUGHFARE.
ULTIMATELY IT IS UNREASONABLE TO BELIEVE THAT DO T'S GONNA COME BACK AND SAY THIS IS WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC TO CAMP ROAD TO HANDLE ON.
RIGHT? IT'S UH, I MEAN IT IS AN UNREALISTIC RESPONSE FROM THE DOTI WOULDN'T EXPECT THAT THAT WOULD OCCUR.
SO THOSE ARE THOSE BESIDES RON, I MEAN SO YOU'LL HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE DOT REQUEST FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WE HAVE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS SO WE CAN PROBABLY WAIT TO SEE WHAT ELSE WE GET
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AND OKAY.YEAH, THERE THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS TO PUT TOGETHER WITH IT BECAUSE I NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS THERE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT ASIDE FROM A BRAND NEW TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A CONTINGENT APPROVAL? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO A CONTINGENT SEEKER APPROVAL.
WE CAN DO WE ONLY, WE CAN'T DO A CONTINGENT SEEKER APPROVAL.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE MITIGATION IS ON THE SCENARIOS, BUT I WOULD WANNA TALK TO DREW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE THAT IN PART THREE.
'CAUSE YOU CAN DO A CONTINGENT SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WE CANNOT DO IT CONTAIN WITH SEEKER APPROVAL.
IT WOULD BE THE SECOND PLAN WITH CONTINGENCY UNDERSTANDING THAT AS A REVIEW OF THE SEEKER THEN.
AND IF THE FACT IT'S CAMP ROAD WITH THE FOUR LANES AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WE DO HAVE, IF A LIGHT WAS ADDED PER DOT THAT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT SEEKER.
WORST CASE SCENARIO IF THE LIGHT ISN'T ADDED PER TOT, THAT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT SEEKER.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT A CONTINGENT SEEKER REVIEW.
IT'S QUITE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW IS ONE WAY TO, TO LOOK AT IT BASED ON THE, UH, ADJACENCY OF THE AGENCY.
I JUST ASK IT DIFFERENTLY, IS THERE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN HAVE ABOUT TRAFFIC THAT WOULD MAKE US FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN DO OUR SEEKER PROCESS? BECAUSE SEEKER DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE THAT THEY DO A SECOND UH, TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THE DO T'S REQUIRING THAT WE HAVE ONE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THE DO T SAID THEY WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON.
WE CAN MAKE THE SECRET DETERMINATION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.
IS THERE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY CAN HAVE ASIDE FROM A COMPLETED TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WOULD MAKE US FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DREW IS LIKE HOW WE WOULD HANDLE THAT AND GETTING THAT STUDY.
THE QUESTION IS, BUT I I DON'T KNOW THE, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT 'CAUSE I'M A TRAFFIC EXPERT AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD ASK WHAT HE NOT ASKING YOU TO BE A TRAFFIC EXPERT.
IS THERE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU COULD PROVIDE SHORT OF A COMPLETED TRAFFIC STUDY THAT MIGHT HELP US MAKE OUR DECISIONS? ABSOLUTELY.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS WITHIN HERE THAT ARE SPECIFIC THAT WE'RE GONNA INFORM THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
EXCELLENT, RIGHT? HOW DID, HOW DID YOU VALIDATE THE BUS NUMBERS, STAR POOLING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE TRUE EXITING OUT OF THE FACILITY? SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, AGAIN, FROM A SEE STANDPOINT WITHOUT THE VISUAL TRAFFIC STUDY.
I I, I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN PROVIDE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE COMMENTS TO THE OTHER AGENCIES.
ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT YOU FOLKS ARE COMFORTABLE AS THE LEAD AGENCY.
SO, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO TALK TO AND THEN BY CHANCE YOU DREW SAID HERE'S A COUPLE THINGS AND YOU CAN LET US KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE LEAST GETS IT TOGETHER.
MAYBE JOSH, YOU CAN FLIP IT OVER TO US, RIGHT? AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ENSURE THAT WAS PART OF IT AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS IN NOVEMBER AND GET THIS ALL DONE SOON.
I DON'T WANNA, BUT I NEED, I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST, WE CAN'T DO THE SECRET.
REMEMBER YOUR, YOUR PART THREE IS ABOUT MITIGATION.
IN THIS CASE, MITIGATION IS MOST LIKELY THE LIGHT WHICH YOU KNOW IS COMMITT TO SHOULDN'T BE NECESSARY.
AND NORMALLY I MAKE THIS ARGUMENT IN THE INVERSE THAT LIKE WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO US AND SAYS, WELL I'M GETTING A SPEED PERMIT 60 SECURES LIKE THAT, OUR DUTY IS LIKE INDEPENDENT, RIGHT? BUT IT'S THE INVERSE HERE.
LIKE WE CAN DECIDE INDEPENDENTLY THAT WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IF DOT SAYS YOU GET LIGHT, THEY GET LIGHT, WE'RE SATISFIED THAT WE HAVE RIGHT MITIGATED, MITIGATED AND HANDLE OUR LANE OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH WITH TRAFFIC.
LIKE NORMALLY I KILL PROJECTS IN THIS ARGUMENT BUT IT'S ACTUALLY WORKING TO OUR FAVOR RIGHT ON THE SIDE I AGREE WITH.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE FEED MORE TO NOVEMBER 1ST, RIGHT? THERE'S A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CINDY.
ANYBODY ELSE KEEPING TRACK OF WHAT WE GOT IN NOVEMBER 15? 15? OKAY.
NOVEMBER FOUR FOR NOVEMBER 1ST WE HAD MEETING IN OCTOBER.
THE ONE THAT X-RAY ONE THAT WAS TODAY GOT PLAN.
SO WE GOT FOUR TODAY WITH SIX THEN NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ALLIANCE HOMES REQUESTING REZONING VACANT LAND AT HOWARD ROAD IN SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD FROM C ONE TO R THREE
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TO MATCH REMAINDER OF PARCEL ZONED R THREE.GOOD, GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN.
CHAIRMAN CLARK AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
LABORATORY MANAGEMENT GROUP TWO LLC AND ALLIANCE HOMES.
UM, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT YOU'VE SEEN MOST RECENTLY I MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH RECEIVING.
WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON GIVING YOU AN UPDATE INCLUDING AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING WE HAD WITH NEARBY RESIDENTS AND ALSO AN UPDATED SUBMISSION WE MADE TO THIS BOARD LAST WEEK.
I THINK AS MANY OF YOU RECALL, THE PROJECT SITE ITSELF OBVIOUSLY HAS CONSIDERABLE FRONTAGE ON SOUTHWESTERN.
IT'S DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A RESIDENT KING 0.12 ACRES.
APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE AND HALF OF THE SITE IS ZONE NUMBER THREE.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS TO REZONE THIS PORTION OF THE SITE, THE WESTERN 6.88 ACRES FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THERE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME MODIFICATIONS WE MADE TO THOSE LAND.
THIS IS THE MOST RECENTLY OUTDATED CONCEPT PLAN PREPARED BY CHRIS WOOD OF CARINO WOOD DESIGN.
WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE THAT WE'D LIKE US TO DEVELOP IS FIVE TWO STORY 12 UNIT UPSCALE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS.
AND IN FACT SOME OF YOU ACTUALLY TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY WHICH WE APPRECIATE TO VISIT, UM, ALLIANCE'S SUCCESSFUL ORCHARD GROVE PROJECT IN THE TOWN OF ORCHARD PARK.
AND THE BUILDINGS WILL GENERALLY BE OF THE SAME QUALITY IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE, APPEARANCE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
COLORS HAVE NOT YET BEEN FINALIZED.
THIS PROJECT BEGAN, THE PROCESS BEGAN ON MAY 17TH WHEN WE CAME IN FRONT OF YOU, CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE INDICATED THE REZONING HAD MERIT AGAIN REZONING REPORT THROUGH THE PROJECT SITE A DOWN ZONING TO R THREE UM, LEAD AGENCY LETTER WAS ISSUED.
I BELIEVE THE COMMENT PERIOD HAS EXPIRED AND THE ONLY SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM DOT THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE NOT SURPRISED WITH IS THEY HAVE COME BACK AND SAID THEY DO NOT LIKE THE CURB CUT ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO A TOPIC THAT CAME UP WHEN WE RECENTLY HELD AN INFORMATION.
SO WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND DISCUSS THAT ASPECT OF IT WITH DOT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT WAS PREPARED BY SEVERAL ASSOCIATES VOLUNTARILY BY THE PROJECT TEAM AND SUBMITTED TO A LARGE DEGREE, WE'RE PROJECTING ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC TO ACCESS HERE DIRECTLY TO THE SIGNALED INTERSECTION, THE POWERED ROAD.
GIVEN THAT WE KNOW THE NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE IT, WE WOULD AT LEAST ASK DOT TO CONSIDER RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT THERE OR AT THE VERY LEAST RIGHT IN.
AS WE KNOW, DOTS HAS A PRETTY STRINGENT POLICY IN TERMS OF CONTROLLING OR ELIMINATE ACCESS TO ITS STATE HIGHWAYS.
WE DO WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, SOME CHANGES WE'VE MADE TO THE PLAN AND I ALSO WANT TO COME BACK TO WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS.
SO YOU'VE NOW SEEN THIS PLAN AGAIN AND AGAIN.
THE LIBERATORY FAMILY, IT'S OWNED THIS PROPERTY NOW FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES.
BASICALLY REACHED OUT TO MR. ROMANIAN ALLIANCE HOMES OR WELL KNOWN DEVELOPER IN UM, WESTERN NEW YORK AND ASK THEM TO COLLABORATE AND FIGURE THIS OUT.
AND THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS, HEY, WE HAVE A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, HALF OF IT'S ALREADY ZONED C ONE, LET'S FIGURE OUT A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, WE'LL WORK TOGETHER ON IT.
AND KNOWING THERE WAS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEING BUILT BEHIND IT SAID WELL RATHER THAN THAT MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IS A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT.
BUT THE COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED AS OF RIGHT AND ULTIMATELY WOULD BE DEVELOPED IF WE DON'T GET THE REZONING SHOWS TWO RETAIL BUILDINGS, APPROXIMATELY 16,200 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN ALSO TWO DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES LOCATED AROUND THE EDGES.
AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY THE EXISTING ZONING PROSECUTION, NOT WHAT WE'RE ADVANCING.
BUT AGAIN, WE KNOW THE LIBERATORY FAMILY IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT OF THEIR SITE IF IT ULTIMATELY TURNS OUT TO BE COMMERCIAL AND YOU PROBABLY STILL STAY IN THE DEAL, BUT THE PREFERENCE IS OBVIOUSLY MULTI-FAMILY.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING WE HAD ON SEPTEMBER 23RD.
AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE DID GIVE THEM A VERY DETAILED OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE PLANNING BOARD IS ADVISORY ON THE REZONING.
THE TOWN BOARD WOULD NEED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN AND ONLY THEN IF THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE REZONING AND ISSUES A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, WE COME IN BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR
SO TO SUMMARIZE WHAT SOME OF THEIR COMMENTS WERE CLEAR AS DAY, I THINK ANDY BILL AND I ALL AGREE STRONG PREFERENCE
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FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT VERSUS ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL PROJECT WHATSOEVER.SECOND OF ALL, THE RESIDENTS DID ASK THE PREVIOUS CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU ON SEPTEMBER 6TH.
AND I INDICATED WE WERE GONNA DISCUSS SCREENING OPTIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T SHOW A FENCE ALONG THE REAR.
SO WE'VE NOW ADDED A SIX FOOT FENCE THAT FOLLOWS THE LINE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN AS WE GET CLOSER TO HOWARD ROAD IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SAFE IN TERMS OF CLEAR VISIBILITY, PORTION OF IT DOES REDUCE, I BELIEVE 35 FEET TO A HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET.
SO THAT FENCE WILL GO THAT ENTIRE LINE.
WE ALSO GOT A CLEAR CONSENSUS THAT THERE WOULD BE A PREFERENCE FOR VEGETATION AS WELL AS THE FENCE AND THAT WOULD BE A PREFERENCE FOR THAT TO BE EVERGREEN TREES.
SO WHAT WE'VE SHOWN IS EVERGREEN TREES LITERALLY ABOUT AS CLOSE AS THEY CAN BE PLANTED STAGGERED AT 15 FEET AND THAT WOULD BE ALONG THAT ENTIRE AREA ALONG THE BACK.
AND THEN FINALLY, I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE RESIDENTS DO NOT LIKE THE DRIVEWAY ON HOWARD ROAD.
WE WE'RE NOT SURPRISED BY THAT THEIR PREFERENCE WAS THAT WE HAVE FULL ACCESS TO CURB CUTS ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, BUT WE DID MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO THEM THAT THERE'S ULTIMATELY DOT WAS NEVER GOING TO ALLOW THAT.
IT WAS LITERAL, I BELIEVE THE NEXT DAY THAT JOSH FORWARDED US THE EMAIL WITH THE COMMENTS FROM CASEY GORDON OF DOT THAT INDICATED THEY WANTED US TO REMOVE THIS CURB PERMIT.
BY THE WAY, THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY POSITION RELATIVE TO THE REZONING, NOR DID THEY EXPRESS ANY CONCERN THE PROJECT WOULD RESULT IN POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
SO LAST WEEK WE MADE AN UPDATED SUBMISSION.
THE UPDATED SUBMISSION REFLECTS SOME CHANGES WE MADE VOLUNTARILY AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CHANGES I JUST HIGHLIGHTED BASED ON THE INFORMATION TALKED ABOUT THE FENCE.
WE ALSO, AND WE DID THIS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WE VOLUNTARILY INCREASED THE REAR YARD SETBACK FROM 50 FEET, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED IN R THREE TO 50 FEET.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IN THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR SOMEHOW UNKNOWN REASON, THE REQUIRED BUILDING SETBACK IS ONLY 40 FEET.
SO 40 FEET IS WHAT IS PERMITTED TODAY.
50 FEET IS WHAT WE SHOWED YOU PREVIOUSLY ON SEPTEMBER 6TH.
AND THEN WE'VE NOW INCREASED THAT TO 65 FEET ALONG WITH THE FENCE AND ALONG WITH THE DENT EVERGREEN SCREEN, UM, WE ARE SHOWING 4.9 ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
WE WOULD BE GOING TO RECORD A DEED RESTRICTION ON THAT AREA TO ENSURE THAT IT WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED.
IT MAY BE ABLE TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, BUT OUR PROJECT ENGINEER WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH ROOM FOR GRADING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO WE WOULD ALSO AGREE TO THAT.
UM, THE NEIGHBORS HAD A CONCERN WHILE THE PREVIOUS PLAN DID NOT SHOW DUMPSTERS, THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE WOULD BE NO DUMPSTERS ON THE BACK PORCH OF THE SITE NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE HAVE ADDED DUMPSTER LOCATIONS, THEY WILL BE FULLY ENCLOSED IN SCREEN, BUT THEY'RE UP LOCATED CLOSER TO THE SOUTHWESTERN FRONTAGE ALSO INCLUDED IN OUR HANDOUT.
AND CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD DURING YOUR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH WAS A SERIES OF ZONING CONDITIONS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HANDOUTS THAT BILL BURKE PROVIDED TO YOU, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS.
I'LL ALSO NOTE WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE IS A COPY OF THE ZONING MAP AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS IN THAT IMMEDIATE VICINITY INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THE SECOND IS A COPY OF THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN WAS INCLUDED OUR UPDATE SUBMISSION LATE LAST WEEK.
THE THIRD IS THE ALTERNATIVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS THE LIST OF THE ZONING CONDITIONS.
CHAD, I'M GONNA REVIEW VERY BRIEFLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL COME INTO PLAY RELATIVE TO THEIR NEXT STEPS.
NUMBER ONE, OUR THREE ZONING DOES NOT HAVE A BUILDING HEIGHT, ALTHOUGH THE SETBACKS DO INCREASE.
IF YOU PROPOSE THREE STORIES, I BELIEVE THEY'RE 75 FEET.
BUT WE WOULD AGREE TO A CONDITION THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY BUILDINGS ALLOWED ON THE SITE WITH THE HEIGHT OF MORE THAN TWO STORIES.
THE EXACT HEIGHT THAT IS PERMITTED IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEHINDS.
NUMBER TWO, BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD ABOUT SCREENING AND BUFFERING, WE WOULD AGREE TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE ALONG THE RELEVANT PORTION OF THE BACK PROPERTY LINE, AS I INDICATED, REDUCING TO FOUR FEET.
AS WE GET CLOSER HOWARD NUMBER THREE, WE'VE AGREED THAT THERE WILL BE NO DUMPSTERS TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE SITE AND THEY'LL HAVE A MINIMUM REAR YARD SETBACK MEASURED FROM THE BACK OF A HUNDRED FEET, THEREBY ADDRESSING THAT CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED BY THE MEET BY THE RESIDENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, AS I INDICATED, MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK, WE WOULD AGREE TO 65 FEET VERSUS 50 FEET, WHICH WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE REQUESTED R THREE ZONING AND
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THE 40 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK THAT WOULD BE EXPRESSLY PERMITTED IN THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONING.NUMBER FIVE, MAXIMUM DENSITY ACROSS THIS 13 ACRE SITE WOULD BE 60 UNITS.
AND THEN SIX, WE WOULD AGREE AT MINIMUM PROVIDE FOUR ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE TO BE PROTECTED, UM, BY A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS.
WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING HERE AGAIN IS 4.9 ACRES, BUT KNOWING THAT WE NEED TO DO SOME ENGINEERING, ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT DID COME UP DURING THE INFORMATIONAL MEETING IS THERE IS SOME VEGETATION ON THE SITE, NOTHING OF THAT WARRANTS ANY PROTECTION, BUT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS INDICATE THEY'D LIKE US TO LEAVE SOME OF THE VEGETATION ON THE SITE.
ANDY HAD BUILT A LOOK AT IT AND IT'S THEIR CLEAR OPINION THAT ONCE YOU DO REQUIRED GRADING, NOT MUCH IS GONNA BE PRESERVED.
IF THERE'S A BIG TREE BACK THERE THAT WE THINK IS WORTHWHILE, WE WOULD CONSIDER, BUT OTHERWISE RECOGNIZING THAT FACT WE'RE BETTER STARTING OVER NOW AND HAVING INTENSIVE LANDSCAPING THAT WILL FILL IN OVER TIME.
SO IN IN THE, IN THE END, WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO CONSIDER IS GIVEN THE LENGTHY HISTORY, GIVEN THE DELIBERATE EFFORT THAT'S BEEN MADE TO INCORPORATE INPUT RECEIVED FROM THIS BOARD AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU COULD BE IN A POSITION THAT YOU WOULD AUTHORIZE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PREPARE DRAFT RESOLUTION, RECOMMENDING THE DOWN ZONING OF THE RELEVANT PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE SUBJECT TO THOSE VARIOUS ZONING CONDITIONS THAT WE PROPOSED.
AND FINALLY, I WANT TO NOTE TWO OTHER THINGS.
AGAIN, THREE OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE VISITED THEIR EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY.
THAT INVITATION OF COURSE REMAINS OPEN TO EVERYONE ON THE PLANNING BOARD AND STAFF.
AND SECONDLY, BILL AND ANDY HAVE ALSO MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE NEARBY ERS THAT ATTENDED THAT INFORMATIONAL MEETING THAT WE WILL KEEP THEM INFORMED OF THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT.
I IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT EITHER ANDY OR BILL WOULD LIKE TO ADD, WE DO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU THIS DETAILED UPDATED PRESENTATION.
YEAH, UH, THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION.
YOU CAN ALWAYS BUILD OWN R ONE AND HAVE IT ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
NOT IN THAT I, I'LL BE RIGHT UP FRONT WITH YOU IF YOU'RE GONNA COME OUT ON THE HOWARD ROAD.
UH, THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET MY APPROVAL ON THAT.
AND IF YOU GO ON ROUTE 20, THERE WERE THREE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THERE AND THEY ALL GOT CURB CUTS.
AS YOU RUN OFF HOWARD AND THE ONE NEXT TO THE TWO NEXT TO DOT OH RIGHT.
THE BACK AND THEN SO THEY HAVE NO OTHER ACCESS.
YEAH, I THINK IF YOU PUT MORE PRESSURE ON 'EM AND LET 'EM KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE BOARD THAT THEY DON'T WANT KNOW.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING I DID GO TO SHADOW LANE AND I AGREE THEY'RE VERY NICE, BUT THERE'S A TOTAL DIFFERENCE.
THOSE WERE IN A TOTAL DEVELOPMENT AREA OF, OF UH, APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
NOW YOU'RE TAKING THIS THE SAME DEVELOPMENT AND YOU'RE PUTTING AN EXTRA $500,000 HOMES.
THERE WAS, THERE'S NO APARTMENT, THERE'S NO APARTMENTS THERE.
SO BUILDING INDUSTRY PROJECT SHED A LIGHT WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S ALL APARTMENTS.
OH, THAT'S BECAUSE HE DEVELOPED 'EM ALL.
THERE WAS NO APARTMENTS THERE.
THIS'S RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO US.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT, YEAH IT LOOKS NICE THERE, BUT NOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT THAT NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE RUNNING $500,000.
IT JUST DOESN'T MATCH CONSIDERS PROPERTY VALUES.
I'M, I'M AND, AND I'M, I'M I'M TALKING CHARACTER, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO WHETHER A RESIDENT HAS A $10,000 HOUSE OR $2 MILLION HOUSE, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE SAME LEVEL OF RESPECT AND REVIEW.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY TO REPRESENT PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT AS RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
PEOPLE'S RELATIVE SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS SHOULD NOT INFLUENCE THE AMOUNT OF DILIGENCE WE GIVE TO SOMEBODY AND DILIGENCE TO SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
WELL, WE CAN'T COMMENT AND, AND EVALUATE RELATIVE TO PROPERTY VALUES AND, AND, AND NOT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL MR. CHAPMAN, BUT I GET, I THINK THE CHOICE THAT'S REALLY BEFORE YOU IS IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S TWO CHOICES.
NUMBER ONE DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
AND YOU GUYS DIDN'T PUT THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING THERE IF YOU PRESENTED VERSUS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HERE.
ANDY HAS BEEN BUILT A VERY SUCCESSFUL BUILDER, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR THREE DECADES PLUS WE JUST DON'T SEE THIS PARTICULAR SITE THAT WORKING.
SO I MEAN THOSE ARE THE THREE CHOICES.
BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THE SITE IS GONNA BE DEVELOPED WITH OR WITHOUT ANDY ULTIMATE AT THE END OF THE DAY BECAUSE THE LIBERATORY FAMILY THAT'S OWNED IN FOR TWO PLUS DECADES IS MADE CLEAR THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
DON, A QUESTION I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ON THE COMMERCIAL, THERE WOULD BE NO CURB CUTS AS WELL FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, HE'S GONNA COME BACK WITH THE SAME PERMIT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS 750% MORE THE CO THAT'S THE SAME AS THE CO YEAH.
THE SITUATION WE RAN INTO THE BROADWAY GROUP WHEN THEY HAD THE PROPERTY ON THAT WAS ON HEALTH AND WE COULDN'T THAT'S DOES THAT SOUTHWESTERN STILL IT SOUTHWEST? IT WAS,
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IT WAS.AND WE PUSHED AND WE GOT, I CALLED EDWARD KOWSKI BEFORE HE RETIRED AND IT WAS, THERE IS, I DO NOT SEE A SCENARIO WHERE EVEN IF EVERY RESIDENT AND CARLY COURT CALLED THE DOT WHERE THEY WOULD BUDGE FROM THAT DECISION.
I MEAN I WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM EXTENSIVELY ON THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT ON THE COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, I WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION ON THE RECORD.
SO ISN'T THERE ALSO LIKE WHAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE WHERE THEIR UM, THE DOT LIKE HAS THIS UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE WHAT THEIR TRAFFIC LEVELS ARE AND EVEN LIKE THE MURANO PLAN HOMES WERE A PART OF THAT, THAT LIKE THERE'S THIS TIPPING POINT FOR THE ADDED LIGHTS, WHICH BY ADDING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT PLUS THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING ON CAMP ON EITHER END, THIS COULD ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR THAT LIGHT TO BE INSTALLED, THEREFORE ACTUALLY IMPROVING THE CONDITION OF HOWARD ROAD VERSUS NOT DOING, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD SAY BECAUSE THIS WOULD THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF HOWARD ROAD THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE GOING TO BEFORE THEY GOT TO THAT LINE.
AND IF YOU'RE ADDING THAT MUCH TRAFFIC TO HOWARD ROAD, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY WOULD SAY WHERE IT WOULD A LIGHT ON THIS SIDE.
ON, ON EITHER SOUTHWESTERN, THERE'S ALREADY A LIGHT ON ECHO RIGHT ACROSS BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT, TWO LARGE
UM, AND YOU SAID THERE'S BEEN OPTION POSSIBLY FOR A WRITE IN, RIGHT? I MEAN WE WOULD AT LEAST ASK, BUT I MEAN THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY KATE WHEN I WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT PROJECT, WE GET THAT ON EVERY SINGLE PROJECT WE WORKED ON.
THAT'S NOT YEAH, ON THE, I TRIED, I WORKED ON PROJECTS IN EVERY MUNICIPALITY, WEST NEWARK WHERE ELECTED OFFICIALS TRIED RESIDENCE TRIES, ATTORNEYS TRY.
I JUST, THEY ARE NOT FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RE HOWARD, THEY'D HAVE TO ALLOW US OUR EXITS.
AND THAT'S AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENTIATOR.
THERE'S NO MATTER HOW NOW NOT NOT HOWARD, WE HAVE FRONTAGE AND, AND IF YOU BOTH WELL, WELL NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHY IF WE DIDN'T HAVE FRONTAGE, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU ONLY HAVE FRONTAGE ON A STATE HIGHWAY, THEY HAVE TO ALLOW YOU SOME TYPE OF ACCESS ONTO THE STATE HIGHWAY.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE MAKING IT WELL THERE'S NO ROAD THERE NOW CARLY COURTS THERE, YOU'VE GOT HOWARD ROAD AND WHEN THEY PUT THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT, IF THEY DO DOWN ON HOWARD AND CAMPS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A TON OF TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THERE, UH, RATHER THAN GOING UP TO SEOS TO GET TO ROUTE FIVE.
BUT WAY LESS THAN IF IT GETS DEVELOP.
I THINK YOU NEED TO TRY A LITTLE HARDER WITH DOT.
WE'LL TRY AND LOOK ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE ARE THREE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND THEY ALL HAVE CURB CUTS ON, ON SOUTHWEST, BUT WITHOUT ACCESS ON NO, YOU
I I GOT A QUESTION AND YEAH, I, I ENCOURAGE YOU YOURSELF SURE.
TO TRY AND SEND US ON THE TRACK TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS.
DOES ANYBODY PREFER NOT REZONING? WELL, IF IT'S GONNA BE, IF IT'S GONNA BE THAT I PREFER TO LEAVE, LEAVE IT AS AS COMMERCIAL.
BUT KNOWING YOU'D ENDED UP WITH THE SAME RESULT, THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE ON ROUTE WITH SEVEN 50.
I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT JUST CAN BE JUST DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS.
I HEAR THAT AND I, I VIEW THAT AS A SCARE TACTIC TO NEIGHBORS.
YOU WANNA DRIVE THROUGH? NO, YOU COULD, YOU COULD PUT A YARN SHOP IN THERE.
YOU COULD PUT A A A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.
WELL, NO, MOST STILL THE SPACE WE PUT IS, IS NOT DRIVE THROUGH.
WE'RE THROWING TWO DRIVE THROUGHS AND TWO LARGER COMMERCIAL MODES.
AND NOT AT ALL MEANT TO BE A THREADED ISN TWO DRIVE THROUGH.
SO DENNIS WOULD, WOULD, UH, REFER TO NOT REZONE THE CURRENT FORENSIC CURRENT ZONING.
SO WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IS WE SHOULD HAVE A MEMO THAT WE SEND TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT OUTLINES WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.
AND WHAT I'D WANT THE CONSULTANTS TO DO IS, UH, DO TWO SEPARATE FINAL PARAGRAPHS.
ONE THAT SAYS WE RECOMMEND THE REZONING AND ONE THAT SAYS WE DON'T, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WE GET THE ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT AND WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
I, LET ME JUST CLARIFY MY THING.
I WOULD RATHER SEE IT GO HOUR ONE.
BUT THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE CHOICES WE CURRENTLY SEE.
NOT I, I DON'T WHAT SHE WANT, BUT IF THAT'S A CHOICE, UH, I LIKE THE OPTION ONE WITH FOR NOT THEN LEAVE IT ALONE.
THANK CHAIRMAN CLARK OFFSET THE DRAFT RESOLUTION THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE REZO.
AND ULTIMATELY, AGAIN,
YOU COULD DO TOLERABILITY, YOU CAN DO HIGHER DENSITY.
WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR WE WOULD PROPOSE ZONING.
BOTH VERSIONS WOULD INCLUDE THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER.
NO, AND IT'S, WELL, IF THERE'S A NO
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REZONING, THEY DON'T GET ANY CONDITIONS.AND EVEN IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND ONE WAY, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE TOWN BOARD WOULD GO THAT WAY.
SO, SO WE WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING SUBSTANTIVE IN BOTH VERSIONS.
AND THEN JUST THE FINAL WOULD BE WE APPROVE OR WE DISAPPROVE BY THIS MONTH APPEAL.
SO IF YOU COULD GET US RIGHT LETTER AND WE'RE, I MEAN I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING THE LETTER THAT WE GOT FROM THE RESIDENT.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION ON THE PART OF THE RESIDENT.
WE CAN ONLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU SHOULD ALSO SEND ANY COMMENTS YOU HAVE TO THE TOWN BOARD WHO IS ACTUALLY MAKING THE DECISION AND CONTINUE TO SEND THOSE COMMENTS IF YOU HAVE FEEDBACK IN.
BUT THEY WILL MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON THE REZONING DOES NOT COME FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, IT WILL COME FROM THE TOWN BOARD AND YOU SHOULD ALSO PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK TO THEM.
AND THAT WAS MADE CLEAR UNDER.
AND CAN WE GET THAT, UH, A BIT EARLIER THAN WE USUALLY WOULD IN CASE WE HAVE ANYTHING WE WANNA ADD? SURE.
WHAT DO YOU WANT? UM, LEMME PUT THIS ON FOR NOVEMBER 1ST, SO IF WE COULD GET IT, UM, OCTOBER 23RD.
23RD, THE MONDAY THIRD THAT, YEAH.
ALRIGHT, SO WE VIEWED ON THAT MONDAY.
SO WE HAVEN'T DRAFT, UM, BECAUSE INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED TODAY, BUT WE PUT EVERYTHING BASED ON THIS AND WE'LL ATTACH THE MINUTES TOO, SO, OKAY.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND HOWARD POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
SO
UM, THE RESIDENTS BEHIND SCENE, THE FENCE FIRST WAS PREVIOUS.
FIRST THEY, SO WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, WHAT WE SHOWED WAS THE 65 FOOT AND WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY SHOW EITHER BECAUSE WE KNEW WE GONNA DISCUSS IT.
WE, WE SHOWED THE INTENSIVE LANDSCAPING.
WE SHOWED THE LANDSCAPING ONLY AND THEY MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY WANTED BOTH.
SO THE FENCE, WHAT SIDE OF THE LANDSCAPING? THE FENCE ON THEIR SIDE.
INTENSIVE LANDSCAPING ON THE INSIDE ON OUR SIDE.
BUT OF COURSE WE'LL GROW POWER.
THE FENCE WILL BE AS PAUL FENCE WHEN YOU PLAN IT.
OTHER, OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULD BE FENCE AND YEAH, THEY CLOSEST TO THEM.
ALRIGHT, WELL KEEP IN MIND YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT THE FENCE, YOU REALLY CAN'T PUT THE FENCE ON THE INSIDE BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF MAINTAINING.
SO WOULD YOU'D HAVE TO GO OVER THERE TO MOW THE LONG RUN? LIKE MAINTAIN, MAINTAIN WITHOUT APPROACHING ON THEIR PROJECT? WE TALKED TO A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND THEY SAID 15 FOOT STAGGERED EVERGREEN.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT PLAN ANY CLOSER.
SO THEN, UH, CAN I ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION? YEAH, SURE.
THE COMMENTS FROM THE DOT WAS ABOUT THE BERM.
CAN YOU REMIND ME IF WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL FOR A BERM ON HOWARD ROAD? UH, YEAH, WE REMOVED THOSE.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY INCLINATION BASED ON THE NATURE, THAT WAS PART OF WHAT ALLOWED US TO MOVE THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO SELLING.
I JUST THINK IT'S A, IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT YOU'RE BEING SO RESPONSIVE TO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, BOTH BY LANDLORD AND ALSO BY THE RESIDENTS IN THAT.
AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION TO THAT SECTION.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S ALWAYS FITTING ANDY'S WAY OF CONDUCTING JUSTICE.
SO LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, AND HOW IT CAN'T MATCH UP WITH THE ROAD ACROSS THE STREET.
THE, THAT WE WERE WONDERING IF IT COULD BE PULLED AWAY FROM LIKE, SO THAT FOR THE MINUTES, THE DRIVEWAY THAT EXITS ON THE COUNTER ROAD AND THEN THE ADJOINING HOME PARCEL, UM, WAS THIS FENCE ALWAYS HERE? IT LOOKS LIKE NOW THERE'S SOME SCREEN FENCE THAT'S SO THAT WAS ADDED FROM LAST.
SO ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT WAS HERE WAS THIS, THE OWNER OF THIS LOT WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING A HOUSE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT LOT IS SOLD, BUT OH, WE'RE MAKING IT.
SO WE'RE PROTECTING IT SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE LY DOES PRODUCE FENCING AND LANDSCAPING WASN'T THERE, THAT LOT'S NOT CURRENTLY SOLD.
SO YOU ADD, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THERE'S A VACANT AND SO THERE'S UH, A SMALL FOUR FOOT FENCE AND THEN A SIX FOOT FENCE ON THE ROAD.
SO IT ONLY, IT ONLY DROPS TO FOUR FEET AS YOU GET CLOSER BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T BE BLOCKING SECONDS.
MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD BUY THAT VA ON WHAT I WAS THINKING.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN OPTION.
YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU ASK
AND OBVIOUSLY, AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW,
I FEEL BETTER KNOWING THAT THAT LOT RIGHT NOW IS, IS
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VACANT.AND SO IT'S, IT THE, THE BUYER WOULD'VE TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE FINDING TO, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHEN WE ATTENDED, WE ACTUALLY DID ASK, WELL, YOU KNOW, DID YOU THINK THAT IT WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED? AND SOME OF 'EM SAID THEY DID DO SOME HOMEWORK.
THEY KNEW IT WAS OWNED COMMERCIAL, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS OWNED BY THE LIBERATORY FAMILY, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEHOW THEY, THEY SAID, WE JUST FIGURED IT WOULD EVER GET FOLLOWED.
AND OTHERS SAID THEY REALIZE IT AND OTHERS SAID, YEAH, WE, WE KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD VOTE THIS COMMERCIAL.
SO I WANT TO TABLE ALLIANCE HOMES AND REQUEST THAT WE HAVE A MEMO, UH, A DRAFT MEMO DISTRIBUTED PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS BY OCTOBER 23RD.
SECOND, IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY.
ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION CARRIED.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DATA DEVELOPMENT.
LLC REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF THE 57TH.
YOU WANNA SIGN SOME? NO, THEY HAVE TO BE HERE.
THEY ANYBODY ONLY 35, 40 MINUTES.
BUT NOW WELL IT'S, THAT'S NOT BAD.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS.
I STILL REMEMBER THAT IT CHECKED IN FRONTIER KIDS GOING SAY MS. BRYCE WILL GET EXTRA CREDIT IF YOU DO THAT.
YEAH, BUT THEY'RE GONE SO THEY DIDN'T GET TO HEAR IT.
WELL THEY MISSED THE WHOLE HEARING.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DATA DEVELOPMENT LLC REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL BUT 57 UNIT TOWNHOME SUBDIVISION ON VACANT LAND WEST OF BRIARCLIFF DRIVE.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME IS ANTHONY ALFA, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM MINO WHO DESIGN IT.
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AGAIN AND AGAIN OVER THE COURSE OF MANY MEETINGS.
DURING YOUR MOST RECENT MEETING, WHICH YOU DISCUSSED IT ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, YOU CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE UPDATED PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH REFLECTS TRAUMATIC REDUCTION IN DENSITY THAT WE MADE FOR THIS YEAR.
JUST TO PUT THIS BACK INTO CONTEXT, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS PARTIAL A PART OF THE OVERALL PUD THAT WAS SUBJECT TO A FINDING STATEMENT ISSUED IN 1988.
AND I DO WANNA NOTE A COUPLE THINGS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I THINK WE'VE DOCUMENTED VERY WELL TWO THINGS THAT WE'VE MET THE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THE OVERALL QUARRY DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE PROVIDED PARCEL REPORTS WE PROVIDED YOU WITH REFERENCES TO THE OPEN SPACE REPORT PREPARED BY NUSS FARMER AND CLARK THAT CONTAINS VERY DETAILED INFORMATION.
SO I THINK CLEAR AS DAY WE HAVE THE 27.08 ACRES.
AND KEEP IN MIND THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO MAKE THAT DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT SITE BECAUSE WE HAD TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL MDO SPACE.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ONE OF THE POSITIONS THAT'S BEEN TAKEN BY THE HOA AGAIN AND AGAIN IS THAT THAT 27.08
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ACRES IS MEANINGLESS AND THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBTRACT WETLANDS, STEEP SLOPES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.THAT IS NOT THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE TOWN WAY BACK 35 YEARS AGO.
WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT METHODOLOGY.
AND THEN THE SECOND TOPIC, WHICH HAS BEEN CONTENTIOUS, PERTAINS TO DIRECT SPACE.
SO WE HAVE PERMANENT OPEN SPACE ON THE 1 27 0.08 ACRES FOR THE ENTIRETY OF WHAT WAS DENOTED AS THE QUARRY PORTIONS OF THE UH, PUD, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IJ AND K.
AND THEN SECONDLY WE HAVE THE RECREATIONAL SPACE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS GOVERNED BY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN THE CODE IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED TOWN HOME PROJECT, WHICH REQUIRES SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
UNDER THE UNIQUE REQUIREMENTS IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AT LEAST 10% GREEN SPACE.
UM, ANTHONY, WHAT IS IT? OR 10% RECREATIONAL SPACE, WHICH WOULD EQUATE TO APPROXIMATELY 0.9 ACRES TO NINE ACRE SITE.
ANTHONY, WHAT ARE WE SHOWING IN TERMS OF REC SPACE, IN TERMS OF RECREATIONAL AREA? WE HAVE THE HEART TRAIL EXTENSION PARALLEL TO THE RAILROAD, UM, WALKING TRAIL AROUND COMMUNITY GARDEN.
UM, A COUPLE GAZEBOS AND YEAH, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE RECREATIONAL AND OH AND THE TOP LEFT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT EQUATES TO 2.24 ACRES.
SO WE HAVE 2.24 ACRES VERSUS WHAT WOULD ONLY BE REQUIRED 10%.
SO PERMANENT OPEN SPACE AND REC SPACE.
AND I THINK WE'VE DOCUMENTED THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND THIS IS VERY RELEVANT AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE, MAYBE MR. RILEY MENTIONED IF YOU LOOK ALL THE WAY BACK AT THE FINDING STATEMENT THAT WAS ISSUED IN 1988 OR 1988 AND KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED A DETAILED LETTER ADDRESSING THAT FINDING STATEMENT UNDER SECTION THREE.
AND I'M GONNA ACTUALLY READ WHAT WHAT IDENTIFIES AS A POTENTIAL IMPACT THE NEED FOR PUBLIC AS WELL AS PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
AND THEN AS RESPONSE AND MITIGATION PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS ARE ON THE PERIPHERY OF AN 18 VOLT GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS A LARGE OPEN SPACE.
THIS HOWEVER, IS A PRIVATE OPEN SPACE AND THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE LOOKING AT REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH ACTIVE AND PASSIVE RECREATION AREAS BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN AS EACH PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS REVIEWED AND APPROVED.
SO SOME OF THE OPPOSITION HAS BEEN ASKING THE TOWN TO GO BACK IN TIME AND REVISIT EVERY SINGLE THE DECISION THAT HAS BEEN MADE IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUS PHASES.
NONE OF US WERE INVOLVED AND IT'S OCCURRED OVER 40 YEARS.
BUT SECOND OF ALL, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE FINDING STATEMENT SAYS.
EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED, PREVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTED, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY NEXT, WHICH WE NEED TO HAVE 27.08 ACRES AS A PORTION OF THE QUARRY.
BUT IN TERMS OF REC SPACE, IT'S GOVERNED BY YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS 10% ON SITE AND WE HAVE 2.24 ACRES.
THE ONLY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED THAT'S RELEVANT TO THE COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT IS ANTHONY PFE DID PACKAGE UP THE GAS WALL INFORMATION THAT WE PRESENTED ON SEPTEMBER 6TH THAT CONFIRMS BASED ON HIS REVIEW OF DEC RECORDS, THERE IS NOT A GAS WALL LOCATED ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SITE.
IT'S AN 11TH THAT WAS SUBMITTED SEPTEMBER 9TH.
AND THEN SECOND OF ALL, ONE OF THE COMICS THAT CAME UP DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH SUGGESTED, WELL, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED ACCESS ONTO BRIAR CLIFF DRIVE.
KEEP IN MIND THERE WERE TWO LOTS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR THAT WE THINK STAGGER YOUR ACCESS SHOULD BE ON CLOVER BANK.
OR SARAH ASSOCIATES ON SEPTEMBER 26TH PREPARED A DETAILED LETTER EXPLAINING WHY THAT WASN'T A GOOD IDEA.
AND PRIMARILY IT'S BECAUSE OF THE EMBANKMENT OF SITE LINES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THAT IS NOT REQUIRED PER APPENDIX D OF THE NEAR STATE FIRE CODE.
AS A RESULT OF THE DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN DENSITY, WE ONLY NEED ONE ACCESS UNDER MC BRIER CLIFF DRIVE.
AND ANTHONY HAS DELIBERATELY DESIGNED THE SITE TO COMPLY WITH THE TURNAROUND REQUIREMENTS BY PROVIDING KEY TURNAROUNDS FOR FIRETRUCK ON BOTH ENDS OF THE TOWN HOME PROJECT.
SO WE'VE BEEN AT THIS NOW FOR I BELIEVE, THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND IT'S CONTROVERSIAL, BUT WE THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK.
WE THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE YOUR JOB.
WE ULTIMATELY THINK THAT TO A LARGE DEGREE THE RESIDENTS AS A RESULT OF THEIR VERY ACTIVE PARTICIPATION FORCED US TO REDUCE THE DENSITY.
WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT AND WE'RE HOPING THAT A VERY NEW FUTURE YOU'D BE IN A PHYSICIAN TO ISSUE
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A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.SO WE GO BACK TO THE ZBA FOR SOME VARIANCES THAT HAVE BEEN PENDING SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DO WANT TO NOTE ONE OTHER THING.
IF WE'RE ULTIMATELY NOT SUCCESSFUL IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT, MEANING A POSITIVE DECLARATION ISSUE, SOMETHING ELSE WE DO WANNA NOTE, WE'VE SAID THIS AGAIN AND I KNOW CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE VIEWED AS A THREAT.
THIS WAS A DELIBERATE EFFORT TO PROPOSE TOWN HALL UNITS FOR SALE VERSUS UNITS FOR RENT.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN IN 88 SHOWED I BELIEVE 120 APARTMENTS.
A SITE PLAN WAS PRESENTED BY A THIRD PARTY FOR SUBSIDIZED HOUSING.
72 UNITS IN 2010, WHICH WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED.
BUT ULTIMATELY IF WE DO WIND UP WITH A POSITIVE DECLARATION, MR. BURKE'S PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO DO UNITS FOR LEASE.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED BY THE ZONING.
SO I THINK WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK.
WE'RE HOPING YOU'LL AGREE AND AGAIN WE'D WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE.
WE HAD, WE DON'T HAVE A PART TWO FOR THIS YET, RIGHT? PART TWO OR THREE.
WE WOULD DO A STATEMENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDINGS IS HOW WE DO IT.
BECAUSE IT HAD THE EIS BECAUSE PART OF THE PUB.
SO WE WOULD DO THE FINDING STATEMENT.
YOU WALKED THROUGH PARK TOO? YEAH, I MEAN WE WALKED, I HAVE A DRAFT THAT WAS EMAILED TO ME AT SOME POINT.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS, YOU HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY.
AND THEN WE DECIDED, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE REDUCED IT.
YOU DECIDED TO HOLD AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU SCHEDULED THAT DURING JULY.
I MEAN THAT WAS THE HEARING THAT WAS JUST OUT ON THE 57 UNITS DURING YOUR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH.
SO THE OTHER THING WE HAD ASKED ONE WAS JEN TO DO SOMETHING DIGGING.
BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU'VE FOUND.
YEAH, IT'LL BE A BRIEF SUMMARY 'CAUSE I KNOW EVERYONE HAS A LOT OF READING TO DO.
UH, HOWEVER, I DID GO THROUGH ALL OF THE MATERIALS FROM 1988 FORWARD AND I HAVE SENT EVERYONE A MEMO KIND OF, UH, STREAMLINING THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE OPEN AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, WHAT OUR CURRENT CODE SAYS, THE DIFFERENT FACTORS TO BE CONSIDERED IN OPEN VERSUS I GUESS PASSIVE VERSUS ACTIVE RECREATION SPACE.
I, THE MATERIALS THAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU ARE ALL FROM THE MATERIALS FOR THIS PROJECT.
I CAN GO TO ANY OUTSIDE SOURCES.
IT'S JUST KIND OF STREAMLINED IN ONE DIRECT PLACE FOR EACH OF YOU TO MAKE A DECISION AND REVIEW THAT.
AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED, I CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW, EDIT AND ADD TO IT.
HOWEVER, I JUST TRY TO COMBINE IT ALL INTO ONE PLACE WITH THE IMPORTANT PARTS FOR EVERYONE TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND CONSIDER IT WITH THE ACREAGE AND DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
YEAH, JEN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR TOWNHOUSES? SURE.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MATHEMATICAL FOR ME, UH, BUT I'LL, I'LL TRY.
UH, SO THE CODE HAS A PROVISION THAT IT IS 500, IT'S 500 SQUARE FEET.
I'M GONNA GET TO WHAT I HAVE RECREATION SPACES MM-HMM.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RECREATION, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE TOWNHOUSE.
SO THE CODE SAYS THE TOWNHOUSES THEMSELVES MM-HMM
HAVE TO BE 2000 SQUARE FEET AND ON LOTS THAT ARE 2,200 SQUARE FEET.
THEY'RE PROPOSING 2000 SQUARE FEET ON LOTS THAT ARE 2000 SQUARE FEET.
THE REASONING BEHIND THAT IS IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THAT AND IF WE REQUIRED THEM TO DO THE EXTRA 200, THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD'VE TO MAINTAIN THE VERY SMALL PART, THEY THINK IT'D BE EASIER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY TO DO AN HOA TO MAINTAIN THE, SO THEY'D ASK FOR A VARIANCE.
AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN PENDING SINCE JANUARY ZONING, BOARD PENDING ZONING.
I I DO WANNA NOTE CHAIRMAN CLARK, YOU'RE ACTUALLY, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE BASED ON WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSING.
SO WHAT WE, AND WE DID DISCUSS THIS PREVIOUSLY.
WE, WE MODIFIED THE LOT SIZES BECAUSE THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALREADY A FEW VARIANCES THAT WE NEED.
ONE OF THEM WAS THE 30 YARD, UM, THE 30 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
SO ONCE WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LOTS, WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THEM ALL HAVE THAT 30 YARD, 30 FOOT, 30 FOOT BACKYARD.
AND THEN HAVE, AND ALSO NOW WE SEMI LOCK.
YES, BUT BUT THE SIDE YARDS YOU, YOU AND FRONT YARDS.
SO THEY ARE, THEY'RE ALL, EACH ARE GONNA HAVE A BACKYARD.
EVERYONE WILL HAVE THIS LITTLE DESIGNATED AREA.
'CAUSE THAT WAS ALSO TO ADDRESS THE, THE PATIO REQUIREMENT AS WELL.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE 250 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT.
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THAT'S CORRECT.SO IS YOUR IN INTENT, IS THE INTENTION TO PAVE EACH OF THOSE PATIOS, THE OUTDOOR SPACE? OR IS THAT GOING TO BE YARN TO BE MAINTAINED BY? IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION.
I IMAGINE MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE SOME KIND OF PATIO OR DECK, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE, IT'S THERE FOR PURCHASE.
SO IT WOULD BE UP, IT'S NOT GONNA PICK UP THE WHOLE, THAT WHOLE AREA.
BUT IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE PATIO.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM TWO 50.
DOES THE TOWN DEFINE WHAT A PATIO IS? IS GRASS A PATIO? NO, GRASS IS NOT A PATIO.
I DON'T EVEN THINK OUR CODE DEFINES IT DOESN'T, BUT YOUR CODE DOESN'T, YOUR CODE ALSO DOESN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN PATIOS IN HOUSE.
BUT TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOWADAYS IS PATIOS VERSUS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
AND AGAIN, WE, WE CAN'T GO BACK TO THE ZBA.
SO THE SEQUENCE WOULD BE IF YOU ISSUED A DETERMINATION THAT THERE'S NO POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, WE GO BACK TO THE ZBA THEN ONLY CAN WE COME BACK TO YOU IN CONNECTION WITH OUR PENDING REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY.
SO DECISION, THIS A PATIO THING FOR A SECOND.
UM, SO THERE'S A 30 FOOT BACKYARD REQUIREMENT THAT IS MET.
THERE'S A SEPARATELY AND ALSO A PATIO REQUIREMENT.
SO THEN I HAVE SOME SUBSEQUENT QUESTION.
PATIO REQUIREMENT IS HOW BIG? TWO 50 PER UNIT.
SO DID THE PATIO EAT INTO THE BACKYARD REQUIREMENT? YES.
IT'S PART OF THE REAR YARD SEVEN.
IT'S INCLUDED IN THE REAR THAT, SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
BUT THEN YOU SAID EACH HOUSE PROBABLY WILL HAVE A PATIO, BUT THE PATIOS ARE PURCHASED.
SO ARE YOU GONNA BE POURING FIFTY SEVEN, TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY SQUARE FOOT CEMENT, THE PADS, THE PATIOS? IT'S THE MINIMUM THEY CAN BE.
AND ALL
SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN WELL NO IT WOULDN'T BE, IT MOST LIKELY WOULDN'T BE YOUR ENTIRE 30 FEET OF DEPTH.
THAT WOULD BE REALLY BIG BECAUSE I LIVED IN A ROW HOUSE BALTIMORE, 30 FEET EXPENSIVE.
THAT I WOULD ENVISION 20 FEET BY 12 FEET WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BIGGEST.
SO IS THE REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE SIMPLY THAT THE PURCHASER COULD INSTALL A PATIO? BECAUSE IT SAYS THERE HAS TO BE A PATIO, BUT THEY'RE NOT POURING THE CONCRETE.
SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? I THINK HAS TWO MEANS.
HAS TO, SO THEY WOULD PUT PATIOS.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID THESE ARE LEAST 90%.
NO, REMEMBER WE DID THAT AS FOR SALE BECAUSE WE'RE SURROUNDED BY A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF OBVIOUSLY ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE ADDING SUDDENLY AUTONOMIA SURFACE, IT WOULD BE PART OF THE STORM WATER.
HER SURFACE S OH, IT'S ALSO A LOT LESS THAN THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE HAD BEFORE.
SO WE HAD MORE PARKING AND MORE UNITS.
JUST A TIME CAN YOU'S THAT THIS, THIS POND WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN WHAT'S SHOWN ON OUR PROJECT BECAUSE THIS WAS SIZED FOR NINE SIX.
SO ONCE WE GO AND REDO THE ENGINEERING, IT'LL BE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER.
SO SHE'LL HAVE TO THEN REVIEW THAT.
WE RAN INTO A HICCUP BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE UM, VARIANCES IN THE SETBACKS AND THERE IS A REAR YARD SETBACK AND ALSO SEPARATELY A PATIO REQUIREMENT.
PATIO IS NOT DEFINED, BUT PRESUMABLY PR SEAN MAYBE LIKE A DECK OR A CONCRETE PAD.
BUT IF THE, THE CODE SAYS HAS TO, RIGHT, IT HAS TO INCLUDE PATIO 50.
SO THEN ARE WE TALKING YEAH, SHELBY TWO 50 SQUARE FEET.
SO THEN ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 57 TO 250 SQUARE FEET TOWARD CONCRETES IN EACH OF THESE HOMES? AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO THEN THAT AFFECTS OUR SEEKER.
BUT WHERE YOU CAME IN IS, DOES THAT BENEFIT STORMWATER AND EVERYTHING? YEAH.
BUT COULD IT BE A WOODEN DECK? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH.
IT JUST SAYS PATIO LIVING AREA.
GENERALLY NOWADAYS WHAT I'M LITTLE KID SEEN AS PATIOS.
BUT YES, IT COULD BE, AND I WASN'T ENVISIONING AS UNTIL THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY'RE HOME.
I ALSO, SIMILAR TO ANY SUBDIVISION, LIKE THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EACH HOUSE SOMETIMES ENDS UP A LITTLE DIFFERENT OR THEY OFFER MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF HOME.
SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE IT ASSUMING THAT A CONCRETE PATIO AND IF WE GET A WOOD PATIO, GREAT.
IT'S ACTUALLY LESS, IT COULD BE UP TO THE BUYER HOW THEY SELL THEM.
WE CAN'T, WE HAVE TO ASSUME THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH WOULD BE THAT EVERY ONE OF THE 57 HOLES WANTS THE FULL CONCRETE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
IS THAT IN OUR, 'CAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING GONE THROUGH THE
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PART TWO IS THAT CALCULATION IN OUR CURRENT SECRET DOCUMENTS? WELL, YOUR PART TWO OF WHAT YOU PREVIOUSLY DID FOR PART TWO WAS BASED ON 96 UNITS.AND THAT'S THEY SIZE THE STORE BASED ON.
SO WE HAVE OVERSIZED FOR ONE FACILITIES RIGHT NOW.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS WILL MOST LIKELY BE SMALLER ONCE WE GO AND REDO THE ENGINEERING, THE, LET'S CALL IT DRAFT VISUAL THAT THEY PROVIDED WOULD BE LARGER THAN NECESSARY ONCE THEY REALLY DIG INTO THE ENGINEERING.
AND ANTHONY DID DO A DETAILED STORMWATER SUMMARY.
I DO WANNA COME BACK TO THE LANGUAGE THOUGH, 'CAUSE CHAIRMAN CLARK ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT MAY BE GOOD.
SO THE LANGUAGE SAYS AS FOLLOWS, PATIOS AND SERVICE AREAS.
AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND THIS ONLY APPLIES TO, UM, TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENTS.
THERE SHALL BE PROVIDED ON EACH TOWNHOUSE LOT.
MEANING IT IS FOR SALE AT LEAST 250 SQUARE FEET OF PATIO LIVING AREA, EXCLUSIVE OF PARKING AND SERVICE AREAS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT MEANS NECESSARILY A PATIO.
IS THAT JUST A DESIGNATED OUTDOOR AREA WHERE OUTDOOR, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT GRASS.
IT'S GOTTA BE IMP PURPOSE AND IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT SMALL YARD ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE.
IF YOU THINK OF MORE OF AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, IT'S MORE LIKE A COURT.
YOU GET TO CHOOSE HOW YOU USE IT.
WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE TO PUT A PATIO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
ALRIGHT, THANKS FOR ENTERTAINING MY RABBIT HOLE.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUS BY SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GETTING CONFUSED ON SOME OF THE THINGS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BLAME A DIFFERENT PROJECT THAT PICKS UP A LOT OF OUR BANDWIDTH RIGHT NOW.
ASSUMING WE CAN FINISH UP THAT OTHER PROJECT BY NOVEMBER 1ST, DO WE THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET INTO THIS ONE ENOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION ON NOVEMBER 15TH? YES.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS, UH, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO NOVEMBER 15TH AND I'M GONNA ASK THE CONSULTANTS TO HAVE SEEK A RESOLUTION MOST BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE PREPARED.
SO THEN, AND CAN YOU CHECK WITH DREW AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD PUT THIS IN THE FINDINGS TEMPLATE FROM THE ORIGINAL BUD? BECAUSE YOU MADE THOSE FINDINGS TEMPLATES FOR UNDER THESE PROJECTS OR IF IT SHOULD BE IN THE PART TWO FORM? I THINK YOU PREVIOUS REGARDING ON THE PATH OF PART TWO FORM BASED ON INPUT THAT DREW PROVIDED.
BUT IT'S WORTHWHILE, RIGHT? BECAUSE BECAUSE THE FINDINGS, THE PREVIOUS FINDING STATE WAS SO OLD, WE'VE, THE FINDING STATEMENT FROM A DH IS PRETTY BARE ABOUT.
SO WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT.
AND WE DID SUBMIT YES, WE SUBMITTED.
SO I THINK WE, SOME WAYS WE DO BOTH DECK.
BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE, THE MEMO FROM JENNIFER AND ALL OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM EVERYBODY IS GONNA INFORM THAT CONSISTENCY DECISION, RIGHT? I, I THINK THE WAY TO GO AND PEOPLE DISAGREE, I GUESS LET ME KNOW NOW BECAUSE IT JUST, UH, ITS OWN POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE DECK, BUT THE RESOLUTION WILL INCORPORATE WHAT'S USEFUL FROM DEFINING STATEMENTS.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THINK FROM
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DATE OF DEVELOPMENT TO NOVEMBER 15TH.
AND AT THAT MEETING HAVE SECRET RESOLUTIONS PREPARED.
ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE WANT ARE GONNA WANT BEFORE THAT? NO.
WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING RIGHT? BECAUSE SEE, I MEAN I'M HERE, I AM REITERATING WHAT HAPPENED, HOWEVER MANY PLANS TO GO AND THANK YOU.
AND LEMME KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO ADD ANYTHING.
WE COULD GET THE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS AND THE SECRET STUFF MAYBE BEFORE THE NOVEMBER 1ST MEETING.
FOR THIS SO THAT WE JUST HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW IT.
NO, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE BUSY TILL THEN.
I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE IT A FEW DAYS AFTER I, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A LS FOR SECRET STATUS UPDATE.
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YEAH, YOU JUST ONE NEED NEED AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO READ IT.VOICE REASON OVER HERE IF THOSE FOUR ALL AGREE.
NO, KIM, NATHAN, SPECIAL COUNSEL TO THE TOWN ON THIS MATTER SPECIFICALLY.
SO, UM, JUST AN UPDATE TONIGHT ON WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AND KIND OF TIMING PATH FORWARD.
UM, NEXT STEPS ON THE FEIS APPLICATION FOR THIS A LS BILL APPLICATION.
SO THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW IS THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF THE DRAFT FBIS.
THIS CONCLUDES AN ADDITIONAL SECTION FROM THE VERSION THAT WAS EMAILED TO YOU ON MONDAY.
OH, THIS IS, THIS IS MORE, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FIRST PART.
SO SEND IT, SEND THOSE TO YOU AS, AND THEN THIS IS MORE THAN MONDAY.
THERE'S SECTION 5.0 WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
SOME REASON CATEGORIES THAT'S BEEN, THERE'RE MORE COMING.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'LL GET INTO.
SO BY WAY OF SECTIONS, NO REALLY THE, WE, THE SUBSTANTIVE INFORMATION THAT REMAINS IS AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND A CONCLUSION, WHICH IS WHAT YOU DRAFT ONCE THIS PART IS SET.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS EVERYTHING REALLY THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO REVIEW AND MEET IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT THIS VERSION DOES INCORPORATE ALL THE COMMENTS YOU RECEIVED FROM BOARD MEMBERS TO DATE.
AND IF THERE'S A COMMENT THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, WE'D LEFT THE COMMENT BUBBLE AND WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH WENDELL AND ONE QUESTION ON EA, UM, FROM EA THAT WE NEED TO FILL IN SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO SENT COMMENTS.
UM, THE SPREADSHEETS THAT YOU ALSO GOT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A A HIGH LEVEL, WE ARE NOT GETTING IN THE WEEDS INTO WHAT IS IN THE SPREADSHEETS, BUT JUST YOU UNDERSTAND WITHIN THEM THERE'S THREE SEPARATE SHEETS.
THE FIRST SHEET, UM, IDENTIFIES EVERY COMMENTER.
SO WHETHER IT WAS SOMEONE FROM A PUBLIC HEARING, SOMEONE WHO SUBMITTED A WRITTEN COMMENT, COMMENT FROM INTERESTED IN INVOLVED AGENCY, THAT'S EVERYONE LISTED.
AND THEN WHERE THEIR COMMENT CAME FROM, WHETHER IT'S HEARING, WRITTEN COMMENT AND A SUMMARY OF WHAT THEIR OVERALL COMMENT WAS.
SO THAT FIRST SPREADSHEET IS JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE CAPTURING EVERY COMMENTER.
AND THEN IT'S A HIGH LEVEL COMMENT OF THEIR SUMMARY OR SUMMARY OF THEIR COMMENT.
THE SECOND SHEET THAT'S IN THERE IS MORE SPECIFICALLY BROKEN DOWN.
SO IT'S EVERY DISTINCT COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.
SO IF A COMMENTER SPOKE ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES, THAT SPREADSHEET BREAKS THEM ALL OUT INTO SEPARATE CATEGORIES.
THIRD COLUMN OF WHERE IT'S APPLICABLE.
UH, WELL THE, THE THIRD SPREADSHEET IS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY CATEGORIZES THEM TO ERROR ORDER.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE THEM NOT IN THE SAME ORDER.
THE TABS ARE THE SPREADSHEET THAT'S THAT'S OKAY RIGHT NOW.
AND WE'RE ALL THREE OF THOSE DON'T NEED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE ACTUAL FEIS.
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW THE COMMENT SUMMARY PROCESS WORKED.
YEAH, I I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S EASIER TO VIEW PRINTED, BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
SO THE FINAL, THE FINAL SHEET ON THERE AND THAT IS GONNA BE FURTHER REVISED RE BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE CAPTURED AT THE END IS ALL THE DISTINCT COMMENTS AND WHAT THEIR CATEGORY IS.
AND THAT IS WHAT'S USED TO FORM SECTION FIVE IN THE DOCUMENT.
SO SECTION FIVE IN THE DOCUMENT OUTLINES ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS AND TALKS ABOUT ALL THE DISTINCT CATEGORIES OF COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED.
SO ALL OF THIS IS IN SECTION FIVE.
IT'S IN A, IN A SUMMARY FORMAT.
THE REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY EVERY COMMENTER AND HOW THEIR COMMENT WAS RECEIVED.
SO THAT'S CAPTURED IN THE SPREADSHEET.
BUT SECTION FIVE IS WHAT IDENTIFIES ALL THE SPECIFIC AREAS OF COMMENTS THAT WERE GIVEN, SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AND WHAT THEIR CATEGORY IS AND THAT'S HOW YOU RESPOND TO THEM.
SO SECTION FIVE LAYS OUT, I BELIEVE, I THINK IT'S 44 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED.
AND YOU'LL SEE IT'S LIKE AIR ONE, AIR TWO, AIR THREE, NOISE ONE, NOISE TWO.
AND SO THEN THERE'S A SUMMARY OF WHAT THAT COMMENT IS.
THE NUMBER OF COMMENTERS SAID THIS SUMMARY VERSION AND THEN THAT'S HOW YOU RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN SECTION FIVE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE WILL, WE DO STILL NEED TO ADD THE DRAFT RESPONSES, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS ARE GONNA REFERENCE THE SECTIONS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, UM, BEFORE YOU TO REVIEW.
SO THE SPREADSHEETS APPEAR COMPLICATED, BUT REALLY WHAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE SPREADSHEETS ARE HOW WE CAPTURE EVERYONE WHO COMMENTED AND HOW THEY COMMENTED AND THEN DISTILL THEM DOWN INTO DISTINCT CATEGORIES, WHICH ALLOWS US TO SUMMARIZE THEM.
AND THEN THE AUDIO BOOK VERSION IS COMING OUT.
UM, SO WHEN ARE WE, YEAH, WE'VE COMMITTED TO A VOTE ON ALL THIS ON THE 18TH.
ARE WE ABLE TO GET ALL OF EVERYTHING YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT BY THIS FRIDAY SO WE HAVE TIME
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TO REVIEW IT BEFORE THE MEETING ON THE 18TH? SO MY GOAL WITH EVERYTHING FINAL DOCUMENT IS EARLY NEXT WEEK.AND UM, SO REALLY THE ONLY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT'S GONNA BE IN THERE IS THE, THE COMMENT RESPONSES WHICH ARE GONNA REFERENCE THE DOCUMENT AND THEN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND CONCLUSION.
AND THEN ARE WE GONNA GET ALL THE FIGURES THAT ARE REFERENCED AS WELL? YES.
EVERYTHING APPENDICES APP, ALL THE REFERENCES AND THEIR TABLE CONTENT.
I MEAN I, THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE IN THE APPENDIX, THE APPENDICES.
I MEAN THE MORE THAT WE CAN GET, THE SOONER, I MEAN I, IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO ALSO VIEW THE WHOLE THING HOLISTICALLY AND JUST LOOK AT IT SINCE THIS IS OUR DOCUMENT AND WE'RE EXPECTING LEGAL CHALLENGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO.
SO THAT WE WERE SENDING 'EM AS THE SECTIONS WERE COMPLETED SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN, CAN HAVE IT FOR YOU PER COMMENT.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY JUST TIGHTENING UP EVERYTHING, MAKING SURE ALL THE DEFINED TERMS ARE CONSISTENT, THE REFERENCES ARE CONSISTENT, THAT KIND OF THING.
THE FINAL CLEANUP THAT WE DO WHEN THE DOCUMENT IS SET.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, SO AGAIN, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THERE ARE SPECIFIC COMMENTS IN THE DOCUMENT FOR WENDELL.
SO DREW, JOSH AND I WILL CONNECT ON THOSE, UM, ON JUST SOME OF THOSE FINAL QUESTIONS, CLEANUP ITEMS AS WELL.
SO LET'S KEEP POURING THROUGH THIS AND SENDING OUR COMMENTS VERSION OF THIS VERSION FOR THOSE.
SO CAN I NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT I DID NOT RECEIVE AN FBIS VIA EMAIL, NOR DO I HAVE A HARD COPY OF IT AT THIS MEETING, RIGHT? AND THAT WE'RE NEVER GIVEN WITNESS.
WE CAN'T SEE ME ON CAMERA, SO LET'S JUST PUT THAT IN MINUTES.
SO WE SET ASIDE THE LAST COPIES THAT WE GOT AND GO TO THOSE.
SO EVERYTHING IN THAT LAST COPY IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.
THIS JUST ADDS THE LAST SECTION.
SO YES, THIS IS THE MOST RECENT VERSION, BUT IF YOU WERE ALREADY LOOKING AT THE DIGITAL COPY, ALL THOSE SECTIONS ARE THE SAME.
FIVE IS IN THIS ONE AND WASN'T ON THE ONE WE GOT MONDAY.
LIKE WHAT TIME WAS THAT? MIDNIGHT? 11 O'CLOCK.
I WAS LIKE, OH, WE DIDN'T GET IT AND THEN TUESDAY MORNING I WAS LIKE, OH NO, WE GOT IT
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT OUR TASK IS AND WHEN WE'RE EXPECTED TO DO IT, WE CAN GET COMPLIMENTARY READING GLASSES.
WE READ ALL THIS PAPER AND DETERIORATE OUR ISIGHT QUESTION.
SO THE, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE TIMING, RIGHT, YOU SAID YEP.
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE NEXT DRAFT WITH APPENDICES AND EXHIBITS.
SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK THEN.
SO MY, MY VIEW IS EARLY NEXT WEEK, WHICH IS MONDAY, TUESDAY IS THE QUICKEST WE CAN GET THE FINAL FULL PACKAGE THAT'S COMPLETELY TIGHT, READY TO GO.
IF THERE ARE EXHIBITS WE CAN PREPARE BY THIS FRIDAY, I'LL WORK WITH, UM, WENDELL ON ANY OF THOSE REMAINING EXHIBITS AND WE'LL GET TO YOU ANYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THAT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
WHAT I THINK I WILL DO, WHICH MAY MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU ALL, IS THE NEXT ROUND THAT INCLUDES THE FINALIZED SECTION.
WE'LL DO THAT IN A TRACK CHANGES RED LINE DOC, SO YOU CAN JUST SEE WHAT'S BEEN ADDED ANYWHERE.
UM, SO YOU REALLY JUST COULD FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON THOSE CHANGES.
SO FOR THE PEOPLE THAT GO OVER THESE ON, ON THE WEEKENDS, WE WILL HAVE, WE'VE GOT PARTS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND WE'LL HAVE THE APP DEPENDENCIES WITH EXHIBITS, WHICH WILL HAVE THE FACTS AND FIGURES 'CAUSE THOSE ARE ALREADY FINALIZED.
THEN FOR NEXT WEEKEND, THE ADDITIONAL THING WE'D HAVE WOULD BE THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
THE CONCLUSION AND THE COMMENT RESPONSES AND THE REDLINED VERSION OF CHANGES THAT OTHER PEOPLE ON THE BOARD HAVE ALREADY SUGGESTED.
SO, SO WELL THOSE CHANGES ARE ALREADY INCORPORATED IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES, ADDITIONAL ONE AND THAT AND WILL BE DONE.
AND THAT'LL BE DONE IN RED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THE NEXT ONE, WELL HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S GOT ALONG THE LINE.
NOVEMBER 18TH IS WHEN YOU 18 OCTOBER 18TH.
OCTOBER 18TH IS WHEN THIS IS BACK IN FRONT OF THE COURT.
AND THEN WHAT IS OUR ACTION ON THE 18TH? SO, OH, THE ACTION ON THE 18TH WOULD ONLY BE THE ADOPTION OF THE FEIS.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST 10 DAYS IN ORDER TO ISSUE A FINDING STATEMENT AND DETERMINATION FROM THE PROJECT.
SO, BUT YOU WILL HAVE A DRAFT FINDING STATEMENT BEFORE THE MEETING AND MEETING.
WE HAVE TO BE SO SO TO, TO BE MARRIED TO IN HER COPY.
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TO EXPLAIN MY COMMENT ON THE LAST PROJECT I SAID WE HAVE 15 DAYS TO CATCH UP ON DAYTO.ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT THE FEIS ON THE 18TH AND THEN OF OCTOBER.
OF OCTOBER AND THEN WE REVIEW THE FINDING STATEMENTS FOR NOVEMBER 1ST.
FOR DATE? NO, FOR, BECAUSE THIS, SO THEN, THEN WE'VE GOT THIS OFF OF OUR PLATE AND DATA IS ON IT.
SO AT THIS POINT, JUST TO REFRESH, EVERYONE'S GOT, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF READING JUST TO REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY.
SEEKER REQUIRES THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD EXPEDITIOUSLY WITH THIS PROCESS.
TYPICALLY IT'S 45 DAYS AFTER THE CLOSE OF THE HEARING, BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED MORE TIME IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH WE NEED IN THIS INSTANCE, GIVEN THE LACK OF INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED.
BUT NOW THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE KNOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, WE NEED TO KEEP THIS PROCESS MOVING.
UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A, A LOT TO REVIEW, BUT THE REGULATIONS ALSO STATE THAT A LEAD AGENCY HAS TO WAIT AT LEAST 10 DAYS BEFORE ISSUING A FINDING STATEMENT SO THAT OTHER AGENCIES, UM, AND THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT IS IN THE FEIS BEFORE THAT FINDING STATEMENT IS ISSUED.
IF THE FEIS IS ACCEPTED ON THE 18TH AND WE NEED TO PUT IT ON THE TOWN WEBSITE AND THEY'RE IN PUBLIC AURN? YES.
AND FEEL FREE, EMAIL ME, CALL ME IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OVERALL QUESTIONS ON THEMES, TONE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND IF, I MEAN, IF I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, BUT IF SOMETHING'S COMING UP WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT THE, UH, THE SIX OF US ANYWAY AREN'T IN A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREEMENT ON SOME OF THE THINGS IN HERE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TIGHT TIMEFRAME, IF SOMEBODY COULD KINDA LET ME KNOW AND TRY AND GET SOME MEETINGS WITH OUR ATTORNEYS TO HASH THINGS OUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE NECESSARY, AT LEAST FROM WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH SO FAR.
NOT AT LEAST ON MY COMMENTS SO FAR.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING BUT JUST MAJOR, JUST SO, SO WE DON'T THROW TIME, WE'RE GO TO THE LAST MINUTE, RIGHT? IT'S JUST TO, TO NOT THROW ANYTHING OFF.
IF SOMETHING'S COMING UP LIKE THAT, LET'S, LET'S ADDRESS IT QUICKLY AND WELL IF YOU GET COMMENTS APPROPRIATELY FROM ANYBODY THAT YOU THINK WARRANT INTO DISCUSSION, LET YEP.
IT'S TABLE A L SAL TWO, OCTOBER 18TH.
A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY K AND M IN FAVOR.
OH, WHAT, I HAVE ONE COMMENT ON THE MINUTES.
THERE WAS LIKE AN EDIT THAT NEEDED TO GET MADE AND THE, UM, ON THE UNDER BE ATLANTIC MOBILE SYSTEMS. THE FIRST, NOT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH SAYS, CHAIRMAN CLARK MADE THE FOLLOWING MOTION REGARDING SEEKER SECONDED BY MS. MCCORMAC.
AND THEN THE NEXT LINE IS, MR. CHAPMAN MADE THE FOLLOWING MOTION REGARDING SEEKER SECONDED BY MS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THOSE IS CORRECT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT ONE OF THOSE LINES HAS CODE.
SO DOES ANYONE REMEMBER WHO MADE THE MOTION ON SEEGER FOR THE BE ATLANTIC GLOBAL SYSTEMS? DEFINITELY DENNIS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA TABLE THIS AND HAVE SOMEBODY GO CHECK THE RECORDING OR WHAT WE WANNA DO, BUT THAT, THAT IS THE ONLY THING I SAW IN THE MINUTES.
DON'T YOU REMEMBER MAKING THAT MOTION, DENNIS? OH, THAT WAS ON THE
SO, UH, IS THAT A PROPOSAL FOR MR. CLARK TO, UH, IDENTIFY THAT MR. CHAPMAN MADE THAT MOTION? NO, I THINK IT'S A PROPOSAL BY YES, CALIN M TO AMEND THE MINUTES TO REFLECT THE MOTION, BUT IT SPECIFY BY WHAT THE AMEND WAS TO REFLECT THAT THE MO THAT THE, THE MOTION WAS MADE BY, UH, DENNIS CHAPMAN AND SECOND BY CINDY GRIN.
I THINK THAT THE BILL SUGGESTED THAT, BUT YES,
SECOND BY ALL MOTION BY BILL CLARK.
SECOND BY TO MY MOTION TO AMEND MINUTES BY BILL SECOND BY WHO'LL SECOND BY MARGO
SO, BUT THOSE AREN'T THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, ARE THEY? YEAH, THE MINUTES.
THESE ARE THE MINUTES FROM THE 20TH.
WHEN'S THE LAST MEETING? NO, IT WAS THE LAST MEETING.
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20TH.I, YEAH, THEY NEEDED A MEETING ISSUE.
SO ACTUALLY, YEAH, SO SHE WAS NOT NO, NO, I DID NOT MAKE IT.
DO YOU WANNA DO IT AGAIN? REMEMBER? OKAY, SO I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING, SO, SO DIDN'T COUNT AS A SECOND.
DO YOU WANNA SECOND IT? I'LL SECOND THIS AND THEN FACEBOOK.
ALRIGHT, SO A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CALY C.
SO THAT'S DE SO THAT WAS A MOTION TO AMEND THE MINUTES.
NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
WHY IS DETAINING FROM THE CHANGE? NO, I, I HAVE, SORRY.
AND I'M GONNA ABSTAIN VOTE TO APPROVE THEM.
OKAY, SO MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY.
MOTION CARRIED BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE ANYTHING? NO ABSTAIN.
THE LAST I THOUGHT WE HAD TWO.