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SO MADORSKY REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUC A PUBLIC MINI STORAGE PROJECT AT 5 6 6 1 CAMP ROAD.AND THERE WAS A USE VARIANCE ON THIS GRANTED EARLIER THIS MONTH.
AND ZONING BOARD ALSO DIDN'T SEE HER.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN CLARK FOR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS, THE LAW FIRM OF HOPKINS SER MCCARTHY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, MATT JAWORSKI, WHO'S ALSO HERE AS WELL AS CHRIS WOOD.
THIS IS A PROJECT YOU ACTUALLY SAW SEVERAL MONTHS AGO PRIOR TO GOING IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
FINALLY READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
THE ONLY NEW INFORMATION SINCE THEN IS CHRIS AND MATT WORKING WITH THE WETLAND CONSULTANT, HAS MADE SOME FURTHER ATTEMPTS TO REDUCE THE WETLAND IMPACTS AND WE'RE NOW CLEARLY LESS THAN ONE 10TH OF AN ACRE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, IT RESULTS IN A MUCH CLEANER AND EASIER PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, BUT ALSO AVOIDS A NEED FOR MITIGATION.
IT IS ONE OF THE GOOD ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT IS, AND MATT'S REALLY BEEN INVOLVED, PROPERTY'S PRETTY MUCH A MESS TODAY, AS YOU KNOW, IT WAS FORMERLY A JUNKYARD AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, EVEN WITHIN THE WETLANDS, THERE'S DEBRIS, GARBAGE, JUNK AS PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS.
AND I THINK MATT'S VOLUNTARILY DONE TO DO THIS.
HE'S ALSO GONNA CLEAN UP THIS LARGER AREA OF WETLANDS AND ACTUALLY IT'LL MAKE IT MUCH NICER THAN IT'S TODAY BECAUSE WHILE IT'S A WETLAND, IT'S JUST NOT BEEN MAINTAINED WELL.
IT'S JUST, IT'S KIND OF A STRANGE AREA.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE SHOWING TWO FUTURE OUT PARCELS ALONG CAMP ROAD.
WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PLANS, NO TENANTS OR ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS TIME FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.
WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD APPRECIATED BY THIS BOARD BECAUSE AGAIN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SMALL PORTION OF THIS BIGGER BUILDING HERE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY PUSHING THAT BACK FROM CAMP ROAD.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON THAT CURVE.
WE'RE SHOWING OUR CURB CUT AT THE MOST APPROPRIATE LOCATION, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE FROM THAT CURVE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS PLAN WILL GO TO DOT FOR COMMENT.
THIS PROJECT GENERATES VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC IN TERMS OF THE WEEKDAY AND WEEK, WEEKDAY PM AND AM PEAK.
SO WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANY PROBLEMS THERE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD.
AND MATT'S GOAL WOULD BE TO CLOSE ON THIS PROPERTY AND START COMMENCEMENT, NO CONSTRUCTION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE NEED UH, SUBDIVISION, YOUR, ARE WE MINOR SUBDIVISION HERE AS WELL AS THAT SUB? THAT'S ALREADY A SEPARATE PARCEL, RIGHT? I MEAN WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE JUST SHOULD THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH, LET'S DO THAT.
EITHER YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO NOTE IT AND CHRIS CAN ADD IT.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING THIS WILL BE A NOT APPROVED, BUT A FUTURE AREA DEDICATED FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
SO EITHER SUBDIVIDE IT OR WE'RE GONNA PUT A NOTE ON THE DRAWING WITH A RESTRICTION THAT IT'S FUTURE.
IT COULD BE ONE OR TWO LOTS AND IT'S ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
I MEAN I THINK MAYBE, YEAH, LET'S SUB YOU CAN, LET'S SUBDIVIDE.
I THINK LET'S SUBDIVIDE IT AS ONE LOT.
NOW THAT ADDRESSES THAT CONCERN, DREW.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT.
AND THEN THAT'S CLEARLY A SEPARATE LOT, NOT PART OF THE PROJECT.
AND NOW MATT AT LEAST SAYS A LOT IF HE FINDS A USER SAYS HEY, THIS IS A LOT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CREATED AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY CONDITIONS RIGHT.
APPLYING TO THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO WE'LL ADJUST THE PLAN TO SHOW THAT CHRIS.
I MEAN THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY ON THAT IS WE WOULD WANT AS PART OF THAT SUBDIVISION, SOME SORT OF CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT SO THAT WE CAN RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT, RIGHT THERE THAT YOU CAN CONNECT IN.
'CAUSE DOT MAY NOT ALLOW ANOTHER CURB CUT.
IT'S THAT'S TIGHT DISTANCE THERE.
YEAH, REAL TIGHT AS YOU'RE COMING.
AND IT'S A CRAPPY, THAT'S THE CURVE RIGHT UNDER THE TRACK, RIGHT? YEAH, NO MATT, YOU'D BE FINE WITH THAT, RIGHT MATT? ABSOLUTELY.
AND WE WERE PLANNING ON, JUST TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT TOO IS THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A DRIVEWAY.
I THINK A LOT OF THIS WIND UP, UH, JUST BLACKTOP.
SO IF PEOPLE ARE PULLING IN, THEY CAN FULLY GET IN WITHOUT ANY, ANY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S TWO CARS OR THREE CARS COMING IN, THEY'LL FULLY BE ABLE TO PULL IN WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT ON THE ROADWAY.
BUT IT'S EXTREMELY DOUBTFUL EVEN IF WE WANT IT THAT WE GET ANOTHER CURB CUT.
RIGHT CHRIS? WE'RE NOT GONNA, YEAH.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE RESERVE THE EASEMENT RIGHT THERE.
AND OF COURSE MATT'S GONNA OWN BOTH PARCELS FOR NOW, JUST A NOTE FOR THE
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BOARD AND THE, AND THE APPLICANT, AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR TRYING TO THIS KIND A USE VARIANCE.SO TYPICALLY PUBLIC MINI STORAGE REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IT WILL NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
'CAUSE THE USE VARIANCE IS THE USE DECISION.
BUT I APPLAUD THE APPLICANT FOR TRYING TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS IN OUR CODE.
WE DON'T LIKE TO SEE PUBLICLY STORED FROM THE ROAD.
WE WANNA BACK AWAY FROM THE ROAD.
SO THESE TWO LOTS AT THE FRONT IN THE LONG TERM SHOULD BE DEVELOPED INTO REGULAR COMMERCIAL USES THAT WILL FRONT THE HIGHWAY.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME THEY MAY HAVE TO PUT SOME SCREENING.
THERE IS SCREENING THE OLD, THE WOODED AREA THAT'S ON THE ONE SIDE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET SOME SORT OF THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
THAT'S THE SCREENING FOR THOSE.
AND THEN ON THE FAR UNITS TO THE SOUTH TO THE WHATEVER DIRECTION IT'S TO THE, TO THE WEST.
UM, THEY'RE PUTTING THE OFFICE BUILDING IN THE FRONT.
'CAUSE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SAYS YOU CAN PUT A REGULAR BUILDING AT THE FRONT TO BLOCK THE RIGHT STORAGE BUILDING.
WHICH IS, SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS MAYBE IF YOU COULD PUSH THAT BACK FROM THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE 35 FEET BACK AND SCREENED OR WHATEVER.
SO YOU MAY LOOK AT THAT OR PROPOSE SCREENING OR WHATEVER.
SO BECAUSE AGAIN, THE INTENT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET IT.
BUT THE INTENT IS WE EITHER SCREEN OR SET 'EM BACK FROM THE HIGHWAY SO THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS SITE PLAN, THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT.
AND I THINK WE'D BE FINE WITH SOME SCREENING.
I JUST WANNA LET THE PLANNING BOARD KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY WE GO TO THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IT HAS ALL THOSE CRITERIA IN THERE, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE GRANTED ABUSE VARIANT CANNOT ASK THEM TO PUT THOSE CONDITIONS ON THERE.
BUT, UM, WE'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET THOSE SPECIALTIES FROM REQUIREMENTS EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT ISSUING THE SPECIALTIES.
SO WE ONLY NEED SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE SUBDIVISION.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE SUBDIVISION.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION AGAIN NOW THAT THE SECRET'S DONE, NOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE USE FOR THIS PROJECT'S BEEN PRETTY WELL VETTED EVEN THOUGH IT REQUIRES SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND SUBJECT APPROVAL.
I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION WE COULD ASK FOR A HEARING TO BE SCHEDULED.
HAVE YOU MADE IT? I, IF SARAH'S ONLINE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COMPLETE SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
WELL CHRIS JUST GAVE YOU THE PLAN PLAN, BUT YOU'VE MADE A NO, WE HAVEN'T.
WE'RE READY TO, BUT I MEAN ALL IT IS IS FILLING OUT THE FORMS. MANY THE TWO S WE HAVE THE PLANS THE, ARE YOU WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE ENTRANCE IS? WHERE IT IS NOW? I THINK THERE'S TWO CURB CUTS NOW WHERE THEY ACTUALLY SEAT CLOSER TO THE VIA.
WE'RE PUSHING IT FURTHER TO THE WALL.
DO YOU SEE WHERE THEY'RE HERE? WE'LL HAVE TO CLOSE BOTH OF THOSE.
THOSE DOT MAKES US ACTUALLY GET A HIGHLY WORK PERFECT CLOSE.
WHEN I WAS OVER THERE, I LOOKED AT IT, I DIDN'T WANNA COINCIDE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY, ELM ELM VIEW ON THAT.
THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE RIGHT, RIGHT IN THE LATITUDE OF THAT.
OKAY, SO THEY'RE MOVING THAT EXISTING CURVE, RIGHT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY CLOSING TWO CURVE CUTS AND MOVING FURTHER.
WHEN I WALKED, WALKED, I FIGURED YOU'D HAVE TO ALMOST, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION.
YOU, YOU OWNER THE PROPERTY, I MEAN THE PROBLEM WITH THE PROPERTY IN THE PAST WAS BECAUSE OF THE CONTAMINATION, MOSTLY OLD TIRES AND OTHER THINGS ON THE SITE.
ARE YOU CLEANING THAT OUT? YEAH.
SO THERE'S, WE, BECAUSE BENDERSON CLEANED IT OUT ORIGINALLY, BUT THEN THEY STARTED PUTTING STUFF BACK IN THERE WHEN THEIR PROJECT DIDN'T GO FORWARD 10 YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER.
MATT HAD A PHASE ONE DONE AS PART OF HIS DUE DILIGENCE.
THE GOOD NEWS IS NOT, NOT A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF CONTAMINATION, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS STILL SOME DEBRIS THERE.
SO THAT'LL NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IN CONNECTION WITH CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THESE ARE STORAGE BUILDINGS VERSUS LARGER BUILDINGS WITH DEEP FOUNDATIONS AND BASEMENTS, UH, WILL CAP AND COMPASS IS NOT GONNA GET A PROBLEM.
BUT THERE IS SOME CLEANUP AND MAX BUILT THAT INTO HIS EQUATION.
YOU UNDERSTAND AT ONE POINT THERE A MILLION HIRE ON THAT SIDE DECISION.
WHAT'D YOU SAY FOR THE ZONING BOARD LOOKED AT ALL THAT AS PART OF THEIR SECRET? THEY DID.
WE PROVIDED ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION.
WETLANDS, PHASE ONE, EVERYTHING.
SO IS THERE ANY, CAN'T IMAGINE THAT YOU WOULD MAYBE NEED CROSS ACCESS OR ANOTHER EXIT TO THE ADJACENT COMMERCIAL LOT FOR MINI STORAGE HERE.
I WAS THINKING MORE AT THE BACK 'CAUSE AT THE FRONT THAT'S LIKE THE IMPORTANCE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO YOU COULDN'T REALLY DO A CROSS ACCESS HERE.
THE TRACKS ARE THERE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE.
NO, NOT THAT THE OTHER SIDE BUT THE TWO ORANGES HERE, LIKE ON THAT SIDE, IS THERE ANY, I MEAN YOU REALLY WOULDN'T WANT CROSS ACCESS INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH.
INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THEN THE BACK IS WHERE THE UM, IS ALREADY WHERE LIKE THE OLD NEWS BUILDING IS.
THERE'S LIKE A DITCH IN THE BACK THERE GET, OKAY.
I MEAN I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD BE GOING TO TIM, MAYBE YOU GOING TIM MORGAN'S IN YOUR MINI STORAGE REGULARLY.
WELL, THERE'S GONNA BE A GATE THERE SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH.
YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE GATE AND THEN, BECAUSE REMEMBER IT IS NOT UNLIMITED PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE SITE.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO BE A CUSTOMER OF TO SELL STORAGE.
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ENCOURAGE CROSS ACCESS, BUT WITH A PUBLIC MINI STORAGE FACILITY, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET A LOT OF CROSS ACCESS BETWEEN IF IT WAS TWO RETAIL USERS OR OTHER COMMERCIALS.I WOULD SAY YES, THE LAW REQUIRES US TO HAVE TO FOR FOR MINIMIZING CURB CUTS TO HAVE CROSS ACCESS.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK YOU BROUGHT THE FACT THAT BECOMES COMMERCIAL, BUT YOU MIGHT WANT CROSS ACCESS THESE THAT IMPORTANT DRIVE THROUGH AT THE FRONT.
THERE IS I THINK WHAT WHAT THE CHAIRMAN'S ASKING IS IF THESE BECAME COMMERCIAL.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN MATT WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEM TIM MARTIN DRIVE THROUGHS RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN IF YOU WANT US TO SHOW IT AS A POTENTIAL FUTURE, WE CAN SHOW UP THAT MIGHT LINE UP THAT LINES UP WITH THE PARKING LOT.
YEAH, LOOK AT, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
I MEAN THE OTHER THING IS, IS THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING YOU COULD ACTUALLY WALK NICE SIDEWALK.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT CONCEPT.
IF, IF IT'S PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE AND WE JUST PUT THE GATE BEHIND.
SO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE INTO THE OFFICE ANYWAYS.
YOUR GATE WOULD BE BEHIND THE OFFICE ANYWAYS.
THE PARKING LOT'S ACTUALLY ON THIS SIDE.
WELL, NO, ACTUALLY YOU'D BE GOING HEAD ON TO THE DRIVE LINE.
DARE I SAY IT? BUT I SAID IT EARLIER AND I KNOW ING ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO PUSH THIS BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S A WETLAND.
YOU LOSE SOME, THERE'S A WETLAND BACK THERE.
WHEN WE DO THE REAL LAYOUT, IF WE CAN PUSH IT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
AS LONG AS WE DON'T INCREASE THE WILDLAND IMPACTS.
UM, THERE'S BARELY ANY SO SOME RIGHT.
THERE'S BARELY ANY LESS THAN A 10.
OH, THERE'S A LOT WE'RE PROPOSING.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WHITE LANDS.
WE'RE PROPOSING 4 107 ACRE, I THINK ACRE LESS THAN A 10 AN ACRE.
WE WANTED TO GET IT UNDER A 10 AN ACRE.
THIS WHOLE AREA BACK HERE IS ALL WHITE LANDS.
AND THAT'S NOT BEING AROUND AND THAT'S NOT BEING DEVELOPED.
THERE'S NOT AND THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDES, THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDES THIS FRONT HERE AS WELL.
SO IS THAT D STATE? WELL, IT'S STATE.
WELL, AND I MEAN D IT'S FEDERAL DOESN'T CROSS THRESHOLD FOR STATE FEDERAL.
DOESN'T CROSS THE THRESHOLD FOR STATE.
IT'S NOT THE 12 POINT PENDING WITH THE IMPENDING CHANGES TO THE WE LAW.
WELL THEN IT COULD, BUT NOT UNDER THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD, SO THERE'S NONCE COULD ASK FOR A NOTE ON THE DRAWING OR AN EASEMENT SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT LAND TO BE DEVELOPED.
I MEAN IF THEY, IF THEY WANNA COMMIT TO THAT, AND AGAIN, MARGARET'S GONNA BRING UP LATER, BUT WE HAVE A WETLANDS PROTECTION LAW THAT BASICALLY SAYS WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT WETLANDS.
THESE ARE NOT HIGH QUALITY WETLANDS.
BUT IF THIS IS NOT, IF WETLANDS NOW LET'S SAY, HEY, THIS, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.
WELL WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN IT'S NOT DEVELOPED TO THE EXTENT THAT WE COULD DO THAT.
DO A DATA RESTRICTION SOMEWHERE, NEED RESTRICTION SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING ON THAT BACK IF WE COME UP CRYSTAL TO GO JUST A PER OPEN SPACE LINE TO BE OKAY.
AND YOU DON'T CARE IF IT FOLLOWS THE EXACT WEB LINE, RIGHT? I MEAN IT CAN, IT'S HARD TO DO.
I MEAN YOU'RE GONNA NEED, IF YOU NEED TO GET IN AND FIX A FENCE OR SOMETHING, YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME SORT OF YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT.
IT NEEDS AS LONG AS YOU'RE, IT'S TO PROHIBIT DRIVEWAYS, ROADWAYS, BUILDINGS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THEN IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY DO ABOUT LANDSCAPING OR HAVE A NICER WOOD FENCE BEHIND THOSE? THE COMMERCIAL LOT IN THE MINI STORAGE? SOMETHING HERE? YEAH, THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA TO PUT SOMETHING THERE FOR NOW UNTIL IT'S DEVELOPED.
RIGHT NOW YOU'RE JUST GONNA STARE RIGHT INTO THE SITE.
WELL, EVEN IF YOU DO, I'D RATHER WHAT THE USE IS THERE.
I COULD DO LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER.
I THINK LANDSCAPING WOULD LOOK BETTER.
I THINK LANDSCAPING WOULD BE THE BEST TREATMENT YOU HAVE.
REMEMBER YOUR LAW REQUIRES THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT TREES ON CENTER, 30 FEET AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETERS OF SITE.
BUT THE LAW SAYS WE CAN THEN CONCENTRATE THOSE IN AREAS TO SAY YOU MAY HAVE TO FILL IN A LITTLE BIT IN THIS AREA.
THAT IS, THAT IS THE HEAVY WOODS.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE, THE VISUALIZATION OF THAT.
BECAUSE AS YOU COME UP THAT WAY, IT'S ALSO A CHANGING GRADE.
YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE INTO THE SUN.
YOU DON'T, SO EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE TREES, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TREES, BLOCKS IT, IT'S COMING THE OTHER WAY FROM THE THROUGHWAY TOWARDS THIS, THIS SITE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA LOOK INTO THE SITE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING GOOD SCREENING.
THAT'S IN A GOOD PORTION OF IT IS STAYING IN THE FRONT IS ALL WETLANDS.
I WOULD SAY LIKE 500 FEET IS GONNA STAY.
WE'RE GONNA CLEAN IT UP LIKE THOSE OLD FENCES AND ALL THE GARBAGE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET, THAT ALL GETS CLEANED UP.
BUT WE CAN'T TOUCH ANYTHING FOR A GOOD, I I THINK IT'S PROBABLY FOUR OR 500 FEET THAT'S GONNA REMAIN WILDERNESS AND FILL IT IN.
WITH SOME, SOME, THERE'S A LOT OF ENTRIES IN THERE, A LOT OF MATERIAL.
AND THE BUILDINGS ARE, THE BUILDINGS AREN'T TALL, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE, BUT DOES THE BOARD AGREE MAYBE A ROW OF EVERGREEN HERE? I WOULD AGREE.
WE PLANT IT NOW AND THEN WHEN THAT GETS, I MEAN SOME, I MEAN EVERGREEN SOMETHING IN THERE.
WHATEVER MAKES SENSE TO SORT OF, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES TO WORK WITH.
WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A PLANTED BACK OF THE SITE.
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LET'S MAKE IT PLANTED IN, IN THE RIGHT PLACES THAT NEED TO TO MAKE THE SITE BETTER.ALSO, WHEN YOU DO BRING IN YOUR PLANS FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WE ARE GONNA WANNA SEE WHAT THAT OFFICE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AT THE FRONT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WE HAVE A PHOTO THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUILDING ANONYMOUS STORAGE.
THEN IF YOU JUST PROVIDE SOME SORT OF A RENDERING OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING, WE HAVE A RENDERING.
WE DID ACTUALLY I, WE HAVE A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
IS THERE A SPECIFIC BRAND OR BRANDING OR SIGNAGE OR ANYTHING YOU'RE ANTICIPATING NOT YOUR WORST SELF STORY
WE'LL HAVE A, WE'VE GOT A SECOND ONE, UM, OUT IN LEWISTON THAT WE'RE PURCHASING.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT IT UNDER KIND OF ONE UMBRELLA, SEPARATE LLCS AND NOT UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.
SO, UM, IT WOULD BE OUR OWN BRAND.
BUT YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE NAME YET, RIGHT? UH, NEXT LEVEL.
SO MONUMENT, SIGN, LIGHTING, ANY OF THAT PLANNING, LANDSCAPING, WHATEVER SIGNAGE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WOULD BE NICE TO SEE AND KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
APPLICANT HAS ASKED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
UH, ASK IF YOU COULD SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR COMPLETE APPLICATION IN FOR TRUSTING.
YOU'LL HAVE THAT COMPLETE APPLICATION IN IF YOU WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING, EITHER FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING OR YOUR, GOD FORBID, SAY IT YOUR SECOND MEETING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO AVOID THE 21ST.
I CAN I ASK A COOKIES SOMEWHAT MORE PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION? SURE.
WHY DID, WHY IS THERE SUCH A DEMAND FOR SELF STORAGE? I JUST HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.
PEOPLE PEOPLE LOT OF STUFF YOU DON'T WANNA GET RID OF.
IT'S THE SAME 'CAUSE IT'S THE EXACT SAME PEOPLE.
IF THERE'S DEMAND FOR MULTI-FAMILY, PART OF THAT'S BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SUPPLY OF HOMES IN WESTERN NEW YORK BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEW INVENTORY.
AND TWO, 2020 FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THE LARGEST, IF YOU GO BY HOUSEHOLD SIZES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE IF YOU 1, 2, 3, 4 IS A HOUSEHOLD OF ONE.
SO FIRST TIME EVER, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
SO YOU JUST SEE GENERATION ARE DOWNSIZING.
YEAH, THEY'RE DOWNSIZING, THEY GETTING SELL YOUR HOMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND PEOPLE DON'T WANNA GET RID THEIR STUFF AND THEN THEY SHOW UP AT YOUR HOUSE.
I HAVE ONE, MY MOM'S STUFF WHEN I MOVED HER HERE NINE YEARS AGO, STILL ON IT.
AND I PAY THE THING EVERY MONTH.
MY IN-LAWS, SO MUCH STUFF IN MY HOUSE.
I HAVE IT ALL ON A SELF STORAGE THING.
THERE WON'T BE ANY OUTSIDE STORAGE AT ALL.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ASK FOR POSSIBLE PERMISSION FOR THAT, JUST FOR THE ECONOMIC PURS PURPOSES OF IT.
WHAT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS DOING IT IN PHASES JUST BECAUSE IT'S, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY A $6 MILLION FINISHED PRODUCT.
UM, WHERE IF IT'S, IT'S DONE IN PHASES, YOU FILL IT UP, YOU BUILD THE NEXT PHASE, YOU FILL IT UP, YOU DO THE NEXT PHASE AND FILL IT UP.
IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO OUTDOOR SURGERY AND YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO APPROVE IT, NOW YOU HAVE TO SHOW IT ON THE DRAWINGS.
AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT IS A SEPARATE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE.
ARE YOU SAYING A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR IT? SO YOU EITHER HAVE TO SHOW IT ON THE DRAWING OR JUST COME BACK LATER WHEN YOU WANT TO DO IT AND DO, BUT MATT, YOU SAYING IT WOULD BE A HOLDING PATTERN JUST TO GENERATE SOME RENT FOR SPACE THAT'S NOT YET DEVELOPED RIGHT.
IN THE END? WILL THERE BE ANY? NO, ONCE IT GETS FILLED UP, THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING IN THE END.
IT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE CHRIS ONE YEAR, SO I CAN'T DO IT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAYBE GO FOR IN THE FUTURE OR WHATEVER AT THAT POINT.
I KNOW AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT NEED ANYWAYS.
IT'S JUST, BUT IT WOULD BE A KIND OF A BANDAID TO JUST KIND OF GET YOU OVER THE HUMP TO TO, TO MAKE THE, THE PROJECT SOMEWHAT FEASIBLE.
UM, I KNOW YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, UH, THE NEED FOR IT.
AND, AND WE'RE SEEING, UM, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT LIKE IN DELAWARE, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF THING ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, RIGHT.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS.
NO ONE CAN PARK THEIR MOTOR HOMES.
SO THERE IS A HUGE, UH, LACK OF JUST PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO PARK THEIR MOTOR HOME PARK TRAILER, THEIR BOATS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
JUST 'CAUSE OF THAT FACT ALONE WITH THE, THE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
NEW NEW AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO, SO LET US, LET US LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK, I THINK, DO YOU WANT US TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING THOUGH ON THIS PLAN? NO, I THINK WE SET A PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON THIS PLAN.
AND THEN AGAIN, MADISON, SOME TIME THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS HAVING AN APPROVED PROJECT FOR FINANCING, ET CETERA, AND THEN COME BACK IN THE FUTURE.
WHILE I AGREE IT FIGURES THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A REACH IN TERMS OF OUTDOOR STORAGE, IN TERMS OF FENCING, SCREENING, VISIBILITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF AND I THINK I RECOGNIZE THE PROJECT ECONOMICS AND WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT I THINK THAT'S A HARDER PUSH OR WILL REQUIRE ENOUGH MORE
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SCRUTINY AND A LOT MORE STUFF AND WE COULD LIMIT IT TO THE FURTHEST SPACES BACK FOR NOW, NOT VISIBLE.WHAT SEAN IS SAYING IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA, BUT WHEN YOU COME BACK IN THE FUTURE, WHAT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU IS THAT IT IS A MORE DIFFICULT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
A LOT OF SCREENING REQUIREMENTS HAS TO BE COMPLETELY FENCED.
REMEMBER BY A ROOM PEG FENCE, EIGHT FEET TALL HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S WHERE ARE YOU ENVISIONING CURRENT PROJECT? WHAT'D YOU SAY? HAVE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT HOW THIS PROJECT LINES UP WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S ABOUT TO BE FINALIZED? NO.
HAVE YOU GUYS CONSIDER THAT, UH, THIS SITE WAS IN THE RECENT PAST REZONED TO COMMERCIAL, IT WASN'T INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT.
WE REZONED IT TO COMMERCIAL IN THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTS THIS AREA BEING COMMERCIAL, NOT INDUSTRIAL STAY THE WAY IT'S RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE EVEN ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YEARS AGO CHANGED THIS PROPERTY FROM INDUSTRIAL TO COMMERCIALS.
AND MINI STORAGE FITS WITHIN COMMERCIAL.
AND IT FITS IN WELL IT FITS IN COMMERCIAL WITH THE EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY GOT.
BECAUSE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, YOU COULD NOT PUT, YOU CANNOT PUT MINI STORAGE ALONG CAMP ROAD.
SO THEY HAD TO GO GET A USE VARIANCE, PROVE THAT THIS WAS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, ALL THE CRITERIA FOR GETTING USE FOR IT.
SO THEY GOT A USE VARIANCE CPA DID THAT.
WE HAVE TO LIVE BY THAT AND, AND APPROVE A SITE PLAN.
AND, AND I, AGAIN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK GIVEN WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT PROPERTY AND IT'S A FORMER JUNKYARD, GETTING IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS AND USING IT IN AN ECONOMICALLY PRODUCTIVE MANNER IS PROBABLY GOOD.
ESPECIALLY A USE THAT DOESN'T GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WHERE THAT CURVE IS, IF THAT WAS A FULL BUILD OUT OF A TRUE LARGE COMMERCIAL PROJECT COULD BE SOME TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
I THINK WE HAD ENTRANCES OFF OF THE, WHEN THEY WERE GONNA DEVELOP THAT WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED INTO A, UH, BIG, UH, TOPS WAS IT OR SOMETHING? YEAH, TOPS FACILITY OR SOMETHING.
AND THERE WAS A HOCKEY REGULAR ONE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S THE BUFFALO NEWS AND BAPTIST CHURCH TIME.
BUT WE KNOW HOCKEY PLAYS GOOD QUESTION.
WHICH WE OUTDOOR STORAGE WHERE I, I THINK I MISSED THE POINT ABOUT WHERE WOULD HE GO.
BUT LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT MATT'S THOUGHT PROCESS.
MATT'S THOUGHT PROCESS KEEP MIND.
HE'S NOT A GIGANTIC PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY IS THAT HE'S GONNA BE BUILDING THESE BUILDINGS IN PHASES, RIGHT.
AS HE FILLS ONE UP, GENERATES SOME REVENUE, CAN PROCEED MAYBE ONE OR TWO AT A TIME.
AND MAYBE AS A HOLDING PATTERN, ONCE HE CLEARS THE SITE, THERE WOULD BE SOME AREA BEFORE HE PUTS UP THE NEW BUILDING WHERE HE COULD ACCOMMODATE SOME OUTDOOR STORAGE.
I THINK THAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS, RIGHT? THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S NOT REFINED ENOUGH YET TO EVEN REALLY EXPLAIN IT.
I THINK LET'S PROCEED WITH WHAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT BE NOTED THAT'LL TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION IF NEED BE.
HE KNOWS IT'S A, THE CRITERIA WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK.
THIS, THIS APPROVAL WOULD CLEARLY STATED THERE'S NO OUTDOOR STORAGE ALLOWED AT THIS TIME.
THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND TRY TO MEET THE CONDITIONS OF THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH ARE PRETTY TOUGH.
ESPECIALLY IT'S NOT, AND I DON'T THINK WE COULD ISSUE A TEMPORARY SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE THOSE ARE TYPICALLY FOR ONLY ONE YEAR.
BUT YOU COULD PUT A TERM, REMEMBER OUR CONDITION COULD BE A TIMELINE FOR BILL.
ANY OPINIONS ON THAT FOR YOUR OPINION? I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING ME FOR MY OPINION.
SO ADDING WHAT? THAT'S A THOUGHT ADDING TO THE 21ST FOR THE NEXT OR THE NEXT HEARING.
PROBABLY GET MORE POTENTIAL FOR COMMENTS IF WE HAVE IT.
NOT THAT WE'RE NOT A HOT COMMODITY.
A DIFFERENCE UNLESS BILL THAT PRESENCE, WHICH HE PROMISED TO DO.
UH, SO DECEMBER 7TH, IS THAT? YEAH, CAN WORK.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MATT JAWORSKI FOR DECEMBER 7TH.
YOU'RE GONNA GET OVER AND SEE SARAH TOMORROW TO HAVE THE COMPLETE APPLICATION BECAUSE SHE HAS TO PUT THE NOTICE IN THE PAPER.
WE HAVE THREE WEEKS THIS TIME, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? DO WE HAVE THREE WEEKS? THREE WEEKS? IS THERE THREE WEEKS? I THINK SO.
AN EXTRA WEEK BILL, WE HAVE THREE MINUTES.
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THE PEOPLE IN QUESTION NOW OR AFTER THE MEETING? I DON'T WANNA KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I'LL FIND OUT.WELL SEAN'S HERE, AS YOU KNOW, YOU APPROVED A PEOPLE INC PROJECT, RIGHT? IT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
THAT WAS THE ONE OFF OFF OF UH, ROGER ROGERS IN SOUTHWESTERN.
THEY HAD A PROPOSAL THAT LOOKED LIKE THIS WITH A BUILDING ACROSS THE FRONT AND A LARGER BUILDING BACK HERE.
CONNECT APPROVED THIS, MAKE IT SMALLER.
THEY BASICALLY DIDN'T GET APPROVAL FROM THE STATES.
SO THIS BUILDING'S GONNA BE SMALLER.
THERE'S GONNA BE LESS PARKING, LOT MORE GREEN SPACE AND RECONFIGURED A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE'RE GOING FROM 94 UNITS TO 65.
HOW MUCH THE REDUCTION IN THE PARKING SPACES IS IT? IT'S STILL THE SAME PROPORTION WE EXACTLY.
I THINK WE'RE 1.24 SPACES PER UNIT.
WE'RE WONDERING HOW MUCH IS OUR REDUCTION? IT'S A PRETTY BIG REDUCTION.
I MEAN YOU CAN PARKING HERE SINGLE.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A PRETTY GOOD REDUCTION.
IS THIS STILL THE ATRIUM WE HAVE? THAT'S JUST A WE HAVE.
SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS, YOU CAN'T APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ATRIUM, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT THEY'RE ASKING, DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM GETTING APPROVAL ON DECEMBER 7TH? AND IS IT STILL AN
IT COULD MAKE THE, IT'S ALL ABOUT NUMBERS.
IT DOES THE STORM WATER? WHAT DID WE REDUCE REDUCTION? WE DID.
WE'RE NOT GONNA RESIZE THE BASE SO WE'LL LEAVE THE SAME SIZE.
REMEMBER IT'S A SHARED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LANDSCAPING.
DO YOU WANNA KNOW IF WE GONNA APPROVE IT ON THE SEVENTH? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? YEAH, I GUESS ALL WE'RE ASKING IS CAN, IS THERE ANYTHING COMPLAIN? DEPARTMENT PARAGRAPH RESOLUTION WAS PRESENTED ON THE SEVENTH.
I THINK WE SHOULD PRESENT IT FORMALLY.
DOESN'T CHANGE ANY OF THE ENGINEER.
SO YOU'RE JUST CONTINUING WHY WE CHANGE THE ENGINEERING? YEAH.
AND JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THE YEAH, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, THE REASON WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS APPROVED ON THE SEVENTH IS THE NEXT DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION TO THE STATE IS ON THE SIXTH FOR THE NEXT FUNDING ROUND.
AND IF WE GET APPROVED ON THE SEVENTH, SOMEONE CAN CALL 'EM AND TELL THEM WE GOT IT.
BUT OTHERWISE THE PROJECT GETS DELAYED FOR A LONG, LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
THE NEXT AND SINCE IT'S WHAT IT, YOU'RE JUST CHANGING THE STORIES, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
WE'RE FOOTPRINT, THE FOOTPRINTS GET SMALLER, SAME NUMBER OF STORIES AND THE PARKING LOT GETS SMALLER.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, PARKING LOT, FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING GETS SHORTER FOR BOTH BUILDINGS AND THE ATRIUM.
SAME NUMBER OF STORIES, BASICALLY JUST CUTTING THE ENDS OF THE BUILDINGS OFF.
I MEAN I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT LESS DECREASE AS LONG AS THERE'S STILL PARKING.
SO THAT IS OKAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK.
WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS ON THE DECEMBER 7TH MEETING AND HOPEFULLY RERO THIS AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A SMALLER PROJECT THAN WAS BEFORE.
AND THAT ONE DREW, I HAVE THE SITE.
I'M GONNA LEAVE EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
BECAUSE IT'S SMALLER, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF WE DON'T HAVE TO YEAH, WE'LL HAVE, SEEKER WILL BASICALLY SAY THERE'S NO CHANGES IN THE SEEKER, THE SEEKER NECK DECK CHANGE.
IT STAYS THE SAME AND THEN JUST REISSUE, REISSUE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 16TH MEETING AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD, 11 OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
ALRIGHT, SO ITEM NUMBER TWO IS TABLED AGAIN.
UM, AND LAST TIME IT WAS IN FRONT OF US, WE WANTED SOMETHING MORE FINAL FROM SHIPPO AND THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO GET THAT AND THAT'S WHY IT KEEPS GETTING TABLED.
DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE SHIP? THERE'S NOT.
I THINK IT'S THE GOVERNMENT REQUESTED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THEN THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THE, IS IT THE SAME SITUATION WHERE LIKE NO ONE CAN GIVE PERMITS IF SHIPPO JUST AS FAR BACK UP? I I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH CONTACT THAT ALLS HEARING THIS.
HAD TO BE HERE AT ONE POINT IT YET.
FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, FIRST ITEM ON
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THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING.REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLA APPROVAL OF A 14 LOT SUBDIVISION AS AN AS AN EXTENSION OF NILES AVENUE.
UH, GOOD EVENING PURSUANT WITH PER DESIGN.
WE WERE HERE LAST, UH, MEETING AND WENT, WENT THROUGH THIS.
SO I CAN GO THROUGH IT AGAIN QUICKLY IF YOU WANT ME TO.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A 14 LAST SUBDIVISION WITH AN EXTENSION OF NILES AVENUE AND IN A CUL-DE-SAC.
ALL THE LOTS ARE OFF OF THE NEW ROAD.
THE FIRST FEW LOTS ARE OFF OF THE EXISTING NILES AVENUE.
UM, SO PROPOSING OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA IN THE BACK THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT, WHICH IN TURN IS ADJACENT TO THE CREEK.
UM, ALL THE PROPOSED WATER ON THE ROAD WILL BE COLLECTED IN ADDITION TO THE ROOF LEADERS AND SOME PUMPS AND BE DIRECTED TO THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREA WHERE IT'LL BE, UH, CLEAN STORED AND RELEASED TO THE CREEK AT A RATE NOT ANY GREATER THAN WHAT CURRENTLY COMES OFF SITE.
UM, WE DID ADD THE SIDEWALKS AND AT THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT DOING SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY AROUND.
I HAVEN'T ADDED TO THE PLAN YET, BUT WE WILL DO THAT.
AND WE DO HAVE A DEED RESTRICTED AREA IN THE BACK OF THESE DEEPER LOTS ON THIS SIDE TO, UH, LIMIT DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SIDE.
WE PUT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA ON ITS OWN LOT, WHICH WILL BE DEEDED AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE.
UH, WE PROVIDED ACCESS TO THE CREEK FOR THE TOWN IN AN EVENT.
I THINK, UH, ENGINEERING MIGHT HAVE ASKED FOR THAT.
WHAT'S THAT? UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER.
I DID SOME RESEARCH AND THERE IS OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING CODE, DREW AND I LOOKED INTO THE WETLANDS PROTECTION LAW.
SO FOR NON-JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS, RIGHT.
UH, WE NEED ARE GOING, NEED YOU TO SHOW US THAT IF THE AREAS MUST BE FILLED DUE TO THE UNIQUENESS OF THE SITE.
SO IS THE SITE SO UNIQUE THAT WE NEED TO FILL THE WETLANDS? UM, DRAINAGE DESIGNS FOR THE PROJECT MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE REMOVAL OF THESE WETLANDS RIGHT.
OR CONSIDER REPLACEMENT, WE GOT THAT DRAINAGE PONDS MUST BE OVERSIZED TO MITIGATE THE REMOVAL OF THE WETLAND AREAS.
AND IN THE AREAS TO BE FILLED, YOU HAVE TO DO SOIL BORINGS.
YEAH, AND I I READ IT BEFORE WE CAME.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THAT FOR OUR DETENTION BASIN.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOTTA BE SIZE FOR ANY IMPERVIOUS AREA THAT WE HAD ANYHOW.
WHICH WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE REMOVAL OF THAT GREEN SPACE.
UM, SO I THINK WE'RE ON BOARD WITH BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
THE ONE I'M A LITTLE BIT STUCK UP ON THOUGH IS, UM, IF THE AREAS MUST BE FILLED DUE TO THE UNIQUENESS OF THE SITE.
SO YOU CAME TO US WITH A SITE PLAN THAT ADDED AREAS WHICH FILL A WETLAND.
LIKE I, THERE'S A MILLION WAYS WE CAN INTERPRET THIS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO LAWYER INTO THAT, BUT IN READING, BUT IN READING IT, IT WAS KIND OF IRONIC THAT YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD SAY THE WETLANDS HAVE TO STAY IF THEY'RE UNIQUE RIGHT.
AS OPPOSED TO THE AREA AREA'S UNIQUE.
SO HOW YOU'RE FILLING THE WETLANDS, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
WELL THE DESIGN, IN OTHER WORDS, THE ONLY WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THE DESIGN WOULD BE TO FILL IN THOSE WETLANDS MM-HMM
WITH SOME UNIQUE ASPECT TO THE SITE.
I MEAN THE ONLY, I MEAN, RIGHT INTO THREE ADDITIONAL LOTS, WHICH ACTUALLY MAKES THIS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE GIVEN THE COST TO EXTEND THAT ROAD IN UTILITIES AND THE STORM DRAIN AND WHATNOT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT QUALIFIES AS UNIQUE UNIQUENESS.
IT'S KIND OF TRICKY TERM FRANKLY, BUT I'M NOT THE ONLY VOICE ON THIS BOARD MM-HMM
UM, HOW DO WE DETERMINE, LIKE HOW CAN WE DETERMINE AS THE BOARD, WHETHER BE, UM, IS THIS A, A CAMMY WAY IN, BUT WHETHER THE DRAINAGE POND IS OVERSIZED ENOUGH TO MITIGATE THE REMOVAL OF THE WETLANDS, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO PUT THAT INTO PRACTICE.
WE, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE OUR DISCHARGE BE LESS THAN EXISTING, THEREFORE THE POND'S OVERSIZED AND HOLDING MORE WATER BACK THAN WHAT CURRENTLY GOES OFF SITE AS OPPOSED TO LETTING EQUAL AMOUNT WITH THOSE OFFSITE CURRENTLY.
I'M I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE HOW TO PUT THAT CONDITION INTO PRACTICE.
YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING BECAUSE WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW HOW MUCH WATER THE WETLAND HAS BECAUSE EVERY WE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
BUT WE'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
IS THAT WHAT SOME OF THOSE SOIL BARRINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO TELL IS? SO SOIL BARRINGS ARE TO ENSURE THAT THE STABILITY OF THE LAND, IT WAS INTERESTING AND I EXPLAINED IT WAS AN INTERESTING LAW TO CREATE YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A PUSH BY THE CONSERVATION BOARD IN THAT TOWN BOARD THAT WETLANDS ARE AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER THEY'RE REGULATED OR NOT.
WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS, I'LL SAY IT ON THE RECORD, THAT THE STATE OF NEW YORK AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REGULATE WETLANDS, BUT THEY DID NOT SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE TOWN SAYING, HEY, BUT WE REALLY PRIZE THESE AND WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
WE'RE NOT REGULATED, NOT ASKING FOR A PERMIT,
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BUT WE COULD ADD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.SO WE'VE, AND THE CONCEPT, IT WAS A DIFFICULT CONCEPT CAMMY.
'CAUSE IT WAS LIKE, WELL EVERYBODY KEPT ARGUING THAT WETLANDS ACT IS SPONGES AND WHATEVER AND IS THAT ACCOMMODATED IN THE DESIGN OF STORMWATER? AND AT THE TIME THEY WERE CONCERNED, REMEMBER THE STORMWATER RANKS HAVE CHANGED MM-HMM.
SINCE THIS LAW WAS PUT IN THE FACT THAT THEY WERE WORRIED THAT THE PODS AND STUFF WOULD CONSIDER THE FACT THAT YOU HAD THIS NATURAL AREA THAT ACTED AS KIND OF A STORMWATER RETENTION AREA OR, OR A SPONGE.
AND IT WAS, WERE THE DESIGNS CONSIDERING THAT? WELL, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED FOR DRAINAGE SINCE THE TIME THIS LAW WAS ADOPTED, BUT, AND I THINK THE BIO RETENTION DOES MIMIC WHAT THE WETLANDS DO IN A WAY.
BIO RETENTION IS MUCH MORE SIMILAR TO WETLAND THAN A POND, WHICH IS REALLY JUST STORAGE FOR WATER.
I MEAN, IF WETLANDS ARE TYPICALLY LOWER IN GRADE, SO THERE IS TYPICALLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THEY DO HOLD, WE COULD ASK FOR THEM TO TRY TO ESTIMATE BASED ON THE AREA OF THE WETLAND AND IT'S ELEVATION, HOW MUCH WATER IT HOLDS DURING A WET WEATHER EVENT.
AND WE GAVE A SIM TO BE SURE THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE POND WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE LAW.
THAT'S WHY WE MADE SIMPLISTIC LANGUAGE THAT LOOK JUST KIND OF OVERSIZE THINGS A LITTLE BIT.
ACCOMPLISHING THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WILL HELP.
AGAIN, NOT KNOWING THAT THE RULES ARE GONNA CHANGE AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PONDS.
REMEMBER THE 20 YEARS AGO THEY WERE THE STANDARD PODS.
THERE WAS NO WATER QUALITY, THERE WAS NO WHATEVER.
THERE WAS DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.
SO IT WAS A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO INTERPRET NOW OR JUST SAY, HEY, OVERSIZE IT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM DOING THAT.
I MEAN WE, MOST OF THE TIME OUR PONDS ARE OVERSIZED ANYHOW JUST TO MEET THE LOWER RUNOFF EVENTS.
THEY'RE OVERSIZED FOR LARGER RUNOFF FENCE AND THEN SIMPLISTIC APPLICATION.
IT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE DISPLACING THE WATER, IT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
SO IF YOU'RE THINKING WE'LL JUST MAKE A LARGER SPACE SO THAT IT MITIGATES FLOODING.
I DO THINK THE, SORRY, THE INTENT IN AND OF ITSELF IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UM, IT'S JUST TO HELP AVOID RESTRICT AND MINIMIZE DAMAGE OR LOSS OF WETLANDS IN THE TOWN.
AND IN SOME CASES PLACE ADDITIONAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FILLING OF WETLAND AREAS IN UNAVOIDABLE SITUATIONS.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE, THERE'S ALL THESE TERMS THAT ARE HARD TO DEFINE, LIKE UNIQUE AND UNAVOIDABLE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THAT WITHOUT THE THREE EXTRA LOTS, THE PROJECT IS NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
AND THAT, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY IT SAT FOR SO LONG.
AND LET ME EXPLAIN THE, THE EASY ONES TO DETERMINE THAT ON.
WE'VE HAD THESE IN THE PAST WHERE, OKAY, THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS WE HAVE TO PUT A ROAD THROUGH A WETLAND AREA.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS OF WETLAND.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT TAKING THIS PERSON'S PROPERTY BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T FILL THAT WEAPONS IN.
BUT MARGARET BRINGS UP AN ISSUE.
WHERE DOES IT GO TO THE FACT OF DOESN'T GIVE YOU THAT OKAY, THEY HAVE TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE UNIQUENESS OF THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE FORCES THAT, BUT IT'S A WEIGHING AND BALANCING.
IT'S A VERY GENERIC LAW ABOUT AND TRYING TO PROTECT WETLANDS IN THE TOWN BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THEY'RE TO
AND, AND, AND THERE ARE WETLANDS TOO WHERE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS MM-HMM
SO, AND, AND LIKE YOU SAID, THIS WAS CREATED HOWEVER MANY 20 YEARS AGO WHEN THE WETLAND OR WHEN THE STORMWATER REGULATIONS WERE DIFFERENT DIDN'T INCLUDE TREATMENT.
NOT THAT ONE INCLUDES TREATMENT WHICH MIMICS THE WEATHER.
SPEAKING OF STORMWATER REGULATIONS, I KNOW DEC RELEASED AN UPDATED NOT YET.
OR IS THEIR DRAFT, THERE'S A DRAFT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS IS THERE ANYTHING SIZING CRITERIA AND ALL THE DESIGN CRITERIA DOESN'T CHANGE.
THAT WAS, I I TOOK A QUICK LOOK THROUGH IT.
THERE'S A LIST OF WHAT THEY'RE CHANGING AND IT'S LIKE, IT, IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH LIKE THE, I THINK THEY CHANGED THE ENHANCED PHOSPHORUS RULES WHICH DON'T APPLY TO THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT, THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE MORE EXAMPLES.
THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION, BUT GENERALLY THE ACTUAL DESIGNS ARE STAYING THE SAME.
WE, FROM A FUNCTIONAL PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING IT TO CHANGE HOW WE VIEW OR WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO BE ADEQUATE.
WE HAD A CONFERENCE CALL WITH DEC TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT THE CHANGES WERE AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO DECIPHER OURSELVES.
AND BOTTOM LINE WAS THE DESIGN CRITERIA AND THE SIZING STUFF DOESN'T, DOESN'T CHANGE THAT.
SO FOR TONIGHT THEY, YOU'RE HAVING A PUBLIC REVIEW CONSERVATION BOARD ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THIS.
THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME.
SO I THINK BETWEEN THE PUBLIC INPUT WE GET TONIGHT, IF WE GET ANY PLUS THE QUESTIONS RAISED THE CAMMY, WE WILL WORK WITH CHRIS AND THEN GETTING OUR INPUT FROM THE CONSERVATION BOARD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ULTIMATELY MAKE THAT SECRET DECISION AND A DECISION ON THE PRELIMINARY PLA.
BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING THAT DECISIONS TONIGHT, WHICH YOU'VE RAISED SOME GOOD QUESTIONS FOR CAMMIE THE APPLICANT AND THE CONSERVATION BOARD IS GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THE WALL OF OF THE TOWN.
WELL THERE, THERE BECOMES KIND OF BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED LAST MEETING, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE ECOLOGICAL VALUE OF THESE WETLANDS BECAUSE THEY ARE ISOLATED.
AND I WENT OUT THERE AND YOU KNOW, WAS LIKE THEY'RE ISOLATED BUT THERE'S ALSO NOT VERY FAR AWAY IS THE CREEK BACK THERE.
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ISOLATED FROM A WETLAND PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEY'RE STILL LIKELY HYDROLOGICALLY CONNECTED TO THE WATER BODY BEHIND.WELL IF THEY WERE, THEY'D BE JURISDICTIONAL, RIGHT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW, ARE WE IN A CONTINUOUS SURFACE CONNECTIONS WORLD? BUT, UM, SO I IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE A LOOPHOLE IN THE FEDERAL WETLAND LAW.
BUT I WENT OUT THERE AND IT'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SHRUGGED SCRUB AND THERE'S SOME BIRD HABITAT.
BUT I THINK WHAT IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO IS ARE THESE WETLANDS WORTH IT? MM-HMM
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BALANCE ALL THE FACTORS OF THE ECONOMICS NEEDS THE ECOLOGICAL VALUE.
IS THERE ANY WAY FOR YOU TO GET US ANY IN INFO ON THE, BUT I REALIZE LIKE LOT ARE VERY FLUFFY.
DO WE HAVE THE WETLAND REPORT? DID EARTH MENTIONS TO IT? EARTH? I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME, BUT CAN YOU CUT? SO SARAH, YOU GUYS HAVE IT? OH, WE HAVE IT? MM-HMM
I MEAN I CAN GET, I CAN GET SOME KIND OF CLARIFICATION OR OR INTERPRETATION FROM SCOTT MENTIONS ON THE QUALITY OF ALLOWANCE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, YEAH, I HAVE FROM SARAH THE DELINEATION REPORT FROM THE CORE, BUT IF EARTH DIMENSIONS, IF WE COULD GET THIRD DIMENSIONS REPORT AND SOME THERE.
I SUBMITTED THE REPORT AND THE JD IT'S NOT, WE HAD THE JD.
BUT I'LL, I'LL GET YOU, I'LL GET YOU SOMETHING FROM METHODS KIND OF BETTER DESCRIBING THE QUALITY OF THE LINES.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, SORRY THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A 14 LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY FRANK RUSSO JR.
TO BE LOCATED AS AN EXTENSION OF NILES AVENUE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 16TH, 2020 22 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF TOWN.
RIGHT AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NILES AVENUE SUBDIVISION.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTED TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THAT PROJECT? OKAY, WHY DON'T COME UP.
GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I
BUT IT, IT STILL DUMPS BACK IN BY MILES STRIP.
SO ALL I'M, ALL I'M ASKING IS WHERE THESE OPEN DITCHES ARE.
IF HE COULD RUN ALL TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS DITCH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF HE TAKES IT ALL THROUGH THE BACK, HE'S GONNA FLOOD ALL OF US OUT.
THERE'S TIMES I I FLOOD OUT NOW TAKE IT WHERE YOU WANT ME TO TAKE IT TO THE ROAD RIGHT HERE.
LIKE THIS IS MY HOUSE RIGHT HERE.
AND UH, IF YOU COULD TAKE THE WATER FROM THIS AREA JUST BACK TO THE END OF THE CRIT.
THERE'S A BIG CULVERT THAT CROSSES NILES HERE.
THIS IS THE LOW END, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE CUT RIGHT IN HALF.
SO IF YOU START MOVING ALL THIS WATER TO HERE, IT'S GONNA FLOOD US OUT EVEN WORSE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH CAMEO.
WE GET OVER DETAINED FOR THIS AND LET THAT WATER GO.
THIS IS WHERE I FIGURE THAT CREEK, IT SPLITS ALL OUR YARDS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.
AND IT JUMPS OVER HERE AND THEN GOES UNDER MILES.
SO HE WANTS TO TAKE ALL THIS WATER TO THE POND AND DUMP IT ALL INTO THAT CREEK, WHICH FLOODS OUT NOW I JUST, YOU KNOW THESE, THERE'S THREE HOUSES HERE NOW THIS IS ALL OPEN DITCHES.
SO YOU COULD JUST TAKE ALL THIS WATER, THIS IS PRETTY FLAT THROUGH HERE AND TAKE ALL THAT WATER AND YOU WOULD'VE TO DISTURB THREE APRES AND PUT IT RIGHT BACK INTO THE, THE LOW END OF THE CREEK.
I FIGURED THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAPPY.
AND THEN OFF THE RECORD, I DON'T FEEL THAT THESE HERE, THESE THREE LOTS ARE WETLANDS.
I JUST BUILT THE GARAGE, A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT GARAGE DOWN HERE ABOUT, PROBABLY ABOUT 15 FEET LOWER IN THIS ELEVATION.
YEAH, IT'S PRETTY DRY IN THERE.
I'M, YEAH, I, THIS IS MY PROPERTY HERE AND IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY DRIVE THROUGH HERE.
I'M PRETTY MUCH CLEARED ALL THE WAY TO MY PROPERTY LINE.
CAN YOU SAY YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN? THAT'S HELPFUL.
ALL I WOULD LIKE IS THE WATER FROM HERE TO GET DISCHARGED BACK INTO THE HEAD OF THE CREEK INSTEAD OF BRINGING ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND FROM THE BACKYARD.
ALRIGHT, SO IT'S JUST THREE, THREE APRONS.
BUT I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T CARE IF HE BUILDS THESE THREE LOTS, IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME.
BUT YOU'RE TAKING ALL THAT WATER AND PUSHING IT THROUGH HERE.
JUST IT'S ALL OPEN RIGHT HERE EXCEPT FOR THREE APRONS.
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THANKS.ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT PROJECT? SIR, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
MY NAME IS JASON 35 84 AVENUE ROAD AND WE HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS WITH CHARLIE THERE IN REGARDS TO SENDING ALL THE WATER BACK TO HERE AND FLOODING ALL OF US OUT.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GENERALLY CONCERNED WITH RIGHT NOW.
WE ALREADY DEAL WITH FLOODING AS IT IS AND WE DON'T WANNA MAKE OUR SITUATION ANY WORSE.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN WE HAVE.
NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.
HI, I'M KEN, C 35 84 ABBOTT ROAD.
UM, MY PROPERTY IS GONNA TAKE THE BIGGEST IMPACT.
IF YOU WALK BACK THROUGH MY PROPERTY, YOU BETTER HAVE MUCK BOOTS ON.
OKAY, HE'S GONNA PUT THE RETENTION POND HERE.
I WAS TOLD YEARS AGO THAT IT WAS ALL WETLANDS AND YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
SO WE'VE LEFT IT COMPLETELY NATURAL.
WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ANY OF THE TREES, ANY OF THE PLANTS, NOTHING.
THIS FROM THE CREEK, WHICH DOES SPLIT OUR PROPERTY, WHICH I AM A COUPLE HOUSES DOWN FROM CHARLIE.
SO WHY ARE YOU GONNA BUILD ON WETLAND? THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
WHY ARE WE TAKING AWAY ANOTHER WETLAND? IT'S, IT'S VERY SAD.
UM, JOSHUA 35 84 OUTTA THE ROAD.
UH, THEY BASICALLY TOUCHED ON ALL THE POINTS, BUT ONE COMMENT I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE IS OLO, IT WAS ECOLOGICAL VALUE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO.
THERE'S COUNTLESS BIRDS, DEER, EVERYTHING ELSE BACK THERE.
I MEAN LIVING THERE, YOU WALK BACK THERE LOTS NOT WRONG.
I'M NOT GOING BACK THERE I WITHOUT FLUIDS ON.
SO BY DOING WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THE WATER, WE'RE FLOODED NOW YOU JUST CAN'T USE THIS WHOLE LAST TWO ACRES.
AND YEARS AGO MY GRANDFATHER WAS TOLD HE COULDN'T EVEN BUILD A BARN BACK THERE.
SO WHY DID THEY GET A SUBDIVISION? WHO TOLD HIM THAT? THE TOWN.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, ONE MORE THING.
YOU SAYING THERE'S GONNA BE A, AN ACCESS, LIKE AN EASEMENT TO GET TO THAT POND.
THERE'S CURRENTLY AN EASEMENT BACK THERE NOW FOR THE SEWER AND THEY DON'T EVEN, NOBODY MAINTAINS THAT.
IT USED TO BE ACCESSED FROM THIS END AND THEY BUILT THE ONE HOUSE THERE.
SO NOW THE ONLY ACCESS WAS FROM UH, UH, LINWOOD.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL BLOCKED OFF TOO.
YOU CAME AND WALKED THROUGH THERE ANYMORE.
THEY THEY CLEANED IT WHAT, FIVE YEARS AGO? ANDY, BUT NOBODY GOES BACK THERE AT ALL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNTY IS THAT A COUNTY AS ASSUME THAT'S A COUNTY, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE COUNTY.
BUT YEAH IT'S A EASEMENT THOUGH.
BUT NOBODY'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CLEAR.
YEAH, THE COUNTY JUST OWN ALL THE SEWER SYSTEM BUT THEN THEY DEDICATE THEY TO THE COUNTY.
WELL AND THEY HAVE TO SHOW ANY EXISTING EASEMENT, RIGHT? SO IF IT'S THERE, IT SHOULD COME UP ON THE MAP.
DOES IT SHOW UP IT ON THERE ON REMEMBER THE CREEK IS FOR THE MOST PART IT'S ON THE, OUR SIDE OF THE CREEK.
ALRIGHT, FOR THE THIRD AND FINAL TIME, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT THERE BEING NO MORE COMMENTS? I WILL CLOSE.
WELL BEFORE YOU DO WE WANNA LEAVE IT OPEN TILL WE GET THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD COMMENTS.
IS THERE A BENEFIT? JUST 'CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS, CAB IS GONNA WEIGH IN.
WELL THEY CAN STILL, I GUESS EITHER COMMENTS EVEN IF WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NO, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY LETTERS OR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO NOTIFICATIONS FOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL IN TOWN, UH, FOR REZONINGS AND OTHER THINGS.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OUR ADVISORY BOARDS LIKE A CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD, TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD.
THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE COMMENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
NOW THEY STATED EARLIER THE CONSERVATION BOARD WANTS MORE TIME BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS ISSUES AND WHATEVER TO GIVE ADVICE TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
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THANK YOU.AND WE'RE ACCEPTING COMMENT, PLEASE LET YOUR NEIGHBORS KNOW.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING BUT YOU CAN SUBMIT LETTERS, OTHER CONCERNS AND WHATEVER TO THROUGH THE PLANNING OFFICE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLE THIS.
WHAT ARE WE THINKING WITH THE TABLE TIME? HOW LONG DOES THE CA, DID THE CAB INDICATE HOW MUCH TIME THEY WANTED? NO, THE CAB'S NEXT MEETING IS IT TOMORROW? IT'S LIKE THE THIRD THURSDAY, RIGHT? SO THEY MEET TOMORROW AND WE NEED TABLE THIS TO THE SEVENTH MEETING AND GET MORE INPUT FOR AND I CAN PROBABLY GET A LETTER FROM HER THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BEFORE, WE'LL WE'LL ASK SARAH TO SEND US THAT REPORT TOO.
OKAY, SO WE WANT DECEMBER 7TH OR DO WE WANT THE 21ST? IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THE SEVENTH OR, YEAH, THAT WORKS.
ALRIGHT, NOW MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE FRANK RUSSO TO DECEMBER 7TH.
CAN YOU ALSO PROVIDE A COMMENT RESPONSE TABLE SUMMARIZING THE, THE CONCEPTUAL POINTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE FLOODING STUFF? PROVIDE SOME RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS.
YOU THINK CHRIS IS GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH CAMMI TO SAY, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THE, THAT YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER ALTERNATIVES OR, OR THIS GONNA WORK AND NOT CAUSE A PROBLEM? YEAH.
REMEMBER HE HASN'T HAVEN'T DONE THE YET.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENGINEERING.
YOU HAVE AND WE'RE NOT PUTTING PUT ON THE SPOT.
BUT IT'S A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE TO DO THE SECRET DECISION YOU HAVE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THE DRAINAGE DESIGN WILL WORK AND IT'S NOT GONNA CAUSE ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
YOU WON'T HAVE COMPLETE DESIGN PLANS YET, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO TELL US THAT YEAH, THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED ENOUGH THAT WE'RE NOT CAUSING FUNDING.
I DID NOTICE IN YOUR LETTER, IN YOUR MEMO, UM, THEY HAVE TO ALSO PROVIDE PROOF THAT THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN HERE.
IS THERE A FLOOD PLAIN COMMENT? THERE WAS THE, WE LOOKED AT THE PART OF OUR NORMAL REVIEW, WE PULL OF THE FLOODPLAIN MAPS AND IT DID SHOW THAT THERE MIGHT BE FLOODPLAIN, UH, POTENTIALLY ON OR ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CREEK.
IT'S MOST LIKELY ALONG THE CREEK.
WE WANNA SEE THAT DELINEATED ON THE MAPPING SO THAT WE KNOW NOTHING IS OVERLAPPING OR IF THERE IS A FLOODPLAIN IMPACT.
ALRIGHT, SO AGAIN, GET ENOUGH INFORMATION TAMMY, THAT YOU CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE TO SAY THAT THIS WILL WORK AND WILL ADDRESS THE RESIDENTS ENOUGH FOR THEM TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
OBVIOUSLY ALL OUR APPROVALS BUT PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL, IF THEY GET THAT AND SECRET DECISION, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT FINAL DESIGN DRAWINGS TO PROVE THAT THAT'LL WORK.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE FINAL PLA APPROVAL.
IT'S KIND OF A THREE STEP PROCESS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THERE.
OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GONNA BE QUICK SERVICE, REAL CO REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW TACO BELL RESTAURANT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 9 2 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SINCE OUR LAST MEETING WE, THERE'S A UPDATE READY SOUTH BOULEVARD.
UM, MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES, PRIMARILY JUST SMALL CHANGES, UH, FOR THE BOARD REQUEST ALL THE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY REGARDING DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, UM, AND DIFFERENT SIGNS AROUND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
DID WE PUT A FENCE IN ALONG THE BACK PROPERTY NEXT TO THE AND YES, WE'RE SHOWING FENCE LINE EXTEND.
WHAT KIND OF FENCE IS THAT? IT'S GONNA BE SIX FOOT HIGH, UH, WOODEN FENCE.
WE DO HAVE TO IT AROUND HERE AS THERE IS A STORM LINE STORM DOWN THERE.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME TWEAK TWEAKING OF, AS A SHOWN FAN, YOU KNOW, THE EXACT LOCATION VERSUS YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD ON SURVEY.
BUT THIS IS THE GENERAL KIND OF BRING IT DOWN, JOG IT AROUND OR ALL THAT CERTAIN, THE PURPOSE OF SCREENING AND PREVENT ANY SNOW FROM BEING CLOUD ONTO THAT PROPERTY.
AND DID YOU ADD SOME LANDSCAPING ON
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THAT ISLAND? YES, WE DID HERE.SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PLANTINGS IN THIS AREA, UM, THAT WE'VE ADDED.
UM, MET SOMEONE FROM DRIVING OVER THAT.
UM, ORIGINALLY WE DID HAVE, UH, PAT TRANSFORMER IN HERE FOR THE PROJECT.
WE DID RECEIVE NOTIFICATION THAT UH, WE WILL BE GOING WITH POLE TRANSFORMERS, SO THAT WAS A ROOF.
SO I WAS AT ABLE TO ADD A FEW MORE PLANT DATES.
UM, I KNOW ONE REQUIREMENT, UH, WOULD BE STREET TREES AND BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS IN TREES AND SIGNAGE, THERE JUST ISN'T REALLY ANY FEASIBLE SPACE TO PUT THEM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
UM, WHAT WE HAVE DONE ON OTHER PROJECT IS OFFER TO HAVE THEM PLANTED IN THOSE LOCAL PARK JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDING.
TREES ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
SO YOU CAN'T PUT 'EM ALONG THAT BACK FENCE LINE REGARDING THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
I MEAN, WE, WE COULD ADD A COUPLE, WE'RE SHOWING ONE NOW AND WE ARE LEAVING THE REMAINDER THAT ARE GONNA BE RIGHT HERE.
SO, SO WE ARE ADDING THIS ONE.
BUT I MEAN, OTHER THAN THAT MIGHT BE TWO MORE.
CAN WE, INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO GET MOWED, IS THERE SOME OTHER SORT OF LIKE SHRUBBY BUT NOT LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING WE PUT IN THERE AND THEN YOU'LL ELIMINATE LIKE HAVING TO MOW GRASS, IT'S GONNA NATURALLY VEGETATE AND THEN YOU COULD COUNT THAT AS INSTEAD OF HAVING, OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY GO OUT AND MOW THAT RIGHT BACK RIGHT HERE.
OH, I, I MEAN WE SOME SMALLER THINGS THAT WILL COEXIST.
WE, I MEAN, I MEAN WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT IF THAT, YOU KNOW THAT AND THEY'LL BE, WE PUT SOMETHING AND THEN IT'S, I JUST, I JUST WASN'T SURE WHAT THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WANTED US TO DO IN ORDER TO SATISFY THAT PART OR, OR AT LEAST TREES SOMEPLACE ELSE.
OR GET OUR MONEY TO PLANT TREES IN A PARK OR SOMETHING WOULD PROBABLY BE FINE.
'CAUSE THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT SPACE.
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, IS WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT MECHANISM BY WHICH DO THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO DO IS PUT A WAY IN PLACE THAT WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A, THAT'S BEEN THE CHALLENGE IS WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A MECHANISM BY WHICH TO DO THAT.
EVEN THOUGH IT SOUNDS, WE DON'T, I THINK MAKING IT SO HAVE TO MOLD THAT LITTLE TRIANGLE PROBABLY BENEFITS THEM JUST AS MUCH AS IT DOES THE PLAN.
'CAUSE THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY SOMEBODY TO COME OUT AND MOW FOR 30 SECONDS NATIVE SHRUBS OR SOMETHING THAT WILL JUST KIND OF GO BACK THERE AND DO THEIR THING.
AND WE, YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
SO THAT'S THE LEFT TURN THIS WAY AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL TREES GO.
IF WE, IF WE PUT IT IN THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN.
IF THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO ACCEPT THE MONEY.
YEAH, WE, WE HAVE THE MECHANISM FOR SUBDIVISIONS, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE IT FOR SITE PLANS.
THE SUBDIVISION LAW SAYS YOU CAN GO IN AND CHEW TREES FOR LOT.
YOU CAN ALSO PAY A FEE WHERE THE TOWN CAN PLANT TREES OTHER PLACES.
IT'S NOT IN PLACE FOR SITE PLAN BECAUSE WE USUALLY FIGURE OUT THAT, OKAY, IF THE, IF THE PLAN REQUIRES 20 TREES, PUT 'EM SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE PROPERTY AND, AND WHATEVER.
WE'VE NEVER RUN INTO THE PROBLEM OF THERE'S NOT A SPOT ON THE PROPERTY TO PUT SOME KEYS UNLESS IT'S ALREADY, WHY CAN'T WE JUST FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS? WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? WELL, IT'S NOT IN THE LAW RIGHT NOW.
SO IT IS JUST, I MEAN I GUESS WE COULD SUGGEST IT TO THE TOWN BOARD, BUT THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAW.
UM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE SOLAR PROJECT WHERE THEY WERE GONNA PLANT TREES SOMEWHERE ELSE OR DO OR GIVE MONIES TO THE TOWN.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LAW RIGHT NOW.
IT'S EASY IN THE SUBDIVISION LAW BECAUSE THERE'S A TRUST AGENCY ACCOUNT WHERE THE MONEY GOES IN.
THEY USE THAT MONEY TO PLANT TREES, ET CETERA.
I MEAN, YEAH, YOU CAN PUT THAT MONEY IN THERE, BUT THERE'S NO MECHANISM IN THE LAW THAT SAYS THIS MONEY COMES FROM SITE PLAN APPROVALS AND WHATEVER.
IT'S SUBDIVISION LAW THAT BASICALLY REQUIRES IT.
I MEAN, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME.
THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY WOULD GO.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT UNDER THE SITE PLAN REGULATION.
CAN WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO PUT THE MONEY IN
WE, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT.
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IF FOR SOME REASON IT CAN'T HAPPEN, THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF THING THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COULD USE TO NOT GRANT PERMITS OR DENY A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.SO WE COULD PUT IN OUR CONDITION ENCOURAGING IT TO HAPPEN.
AND IF IT COULD HAPPEN, GREAT.
IF IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING, WE'LL BE DISAPPOINTED.
WELL WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS, BUT IF WE COULD ALSO GET SOME PLANTING BACK THERE, WE COULD SORT OF, I DON'T KNOW WANT BOTH.
BUT I MEAN THERE SEEMS, I WAS THINKING BOTH LIKE GET AS MUCH YEAH, YEAH.
GET AS MUCH AND I BOTH AS POSSIBLE.
AND WHAT WE, YOU WOULD DO IS PART OF THE CONDITION WOULD BE A REQUEST THAT THE TOWN BOARD ACCEPT MONEY IN LIEU OF AND THE TOWN BOARD THAT COULD DO IT.
THE TOWN BOARD OF THE POWER TO BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, YEAH, WE'LL SET MONEY IN LIEU OF THE PLANNING AND LOSE TREES.
YOU'RE THE LAWYER, YOU'RE ALSO LAWYERS.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE, AND I BELIEVE YOU RESOLVED AT THE LAST MEETING, THEY FIXED THE INTERNAL TRAFFIC.
WE BELIEVE THE CONFLICTS DON'T EXIST.
THE ONLY QUESTION WE HAVE WAS LARGE TRUCKS HAVING TO TURN WOULD'VE TO GO TO THE OUTER LANE TO MAKE THAT TURN.
IT WAS SHOWN IN THEIR, IN THEIR DRAWING, THEY SAID THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LARGE VEHICLES, UH, THAT THERE'LL BE THE SMALLER TYPE VEHICLES, NO TRACTOR TRAILERS.
BUT THE TRACTOR TRAILER COULD NOT MAKE THIS RIGHT INTO THE SITE.
IT WERE SHOWN IN YOUR, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU'RE GONNA TRY AND DO THAT OFF PEAK HOURS.
YOU'RE GONNA DO IT WHEN ALSO IT WAS MENTIONED, IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THAT ARROW, THAT LAST MEETING.
THERE WAS AN ARROW ON YOUR DIAGRAM.
IT WAS CONFUSING WHERE IT WOULD, UH, CONFUSE ONCOMING TRAFFIC FOR THE WELL NOW AND FOR REMOVED.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE PLANS, I JUST, YEAH, YEAH, WE MOVED, I WAS OVER THERE THE OTHER DAY AND I COULD SEE WELL NOW WAS JUST OVERLOADING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AND WELL NOW THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING IN THERE AND THAT ARROW WOULD'VE, IN MY OPINION, WOULD'VE CONFUSED.
AND THERE WAS SOME BOARD MEMBERS THAT ALSO BROUGHT THAT UP THAT, THAT'S BEEN REMOVED.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S UH, BEING CUT THERE IS THE STOP SIGN AND THEN THE STOP SIGN RIGHT ON THE REVERSE.
THE DO NOT ENTER ON LIKE ENTERING WAY.
WHERE DREW, WHAT DID YOU SAY WE NEEDED TO SAY? OH YEAH, YEAH.
TO THE, FOR THE TOWN BOARD MONEY AND THE CONDITION THAT WE RECOMMEND THE TOWN BOARD RECOMMENDED ACCEPT MONEY IN LIEU OF SAY THE AMOUNT OF TREES OR WHATEVER.
LET THEM SET THE FIGURES AND WHATEVER.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE PROBABLY BASED UPON THE SUBDIVISION LAW.
UM, AND THEN INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR RESOLUTION THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDED IT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD THAT COULD PASS THE RESOLUTION.
BASICALLY AUTHORIZE THE MONEY TO BE ACCEPTED AND PLACE THEM THIS CUSTOM AGENCY ACCOUNT.
YOU GET ONE MORE TREE PLUS SHRUBS.
I MEAN WHATEVER THEY COULD DO TO ADD SOME SHRUBS IN LANDSCAPING INTO THAT BACK TIP.
SO IF THEY DO THAT, HOW MANY TREES ARE WE SHORT? FIVE? NO, IF WE'RE INCLUDING THIS ONE, YOU'RE YEAH, WE'RE INCLUDING THAT.
I, I COULD PROBABLY FIT A MAYBE ONE OR TWO SMALL TREES IN HERE.
I'D SAY IT'S VERY UNIQUE THAT THERE'S NOT APPROPRIATE SPACE TO PLANT THOSE TREES ON THE SIDE.
HOW DO THEY, HOW DO THEY BASE THE AMOUNT OF TREES? SQUARE FOOTAGE? IT'S A, IT'S ONE PER 30 SQUARE FEET OF FRONT BASED ON FRONT.
BUT USUALLY WE ACTUALLY PLANT TREES ON THE FRONTAGE.
YEAH, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM INCREASING LANDSCAPING COULDN'T FIT.
I SUGGEST ALONG THE BACK PROPERTY LINE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE ALONG.
YOU'RE PUTTING A FENCE ALONG THAT GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY THERE ALONG THAT.
AND THAT'S A SEVEN FOOT FENCE, SIX FOOT, SIX FOOT FENCE, SEVEN FOOT YOU NEED TO BEAR, WELL SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THAT BACK PROPERTY.
AND YOU ALSO MADE DOUBLE CHECK.
YOU MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY FOR YOUR PARKING IT FOR YOUR BUILDING AND YOU HAVE TO SCREEN IT WITH A FENCE.
THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE I FORGOT TO BRING UP THAT COMES UP, WE, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE DIDN'T BRING UP ON DRIVE-THROUGHS.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE A RESIDENT HERE NEARBY.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE OUTSIDE UH, SPEAKER BOXES, RIGHT.
THAT ARE FACING THAT WAY AND YOU CLOSE.
IT'S NOT GONNA CREATE A NOISE PROBLEM WITH THE OUTSIDE SPEAKER BOXES WHERE YOU TAKE ORDERS.
AND WITH THE ADDITION OF THE SEXUAL HIGH FENCE, THAT SHOULD MORE OR LESS MITIGATE ANYTHING GOING THROUGH THERE, YOU KNOW, SERVICE THE BARRIER PLUS, PLUS THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
WHERE, WHERE DO THEY ORDER? THEY'LL BE ORDERING RIGHT OFF THIS RIGHT HERE.
SO THEY RIGHT HERE THEY'RE ORDERING AND STRAIGHT OUT RIGHT.
AND THEN THEY PICK UP OVER HERE.
THAT'S USUALLY WHERE YOU'RE GONNA AND THESE ARE NOT YOUR, THESE,
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UNFORTUNATELY THESE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, HIGH TECH, DIGITAL BS TYPE OF THINGS.FACT THE COMEDY COMMERCIALS WHERE YOU HEAR PEOPLE YELLING FROM TWO MILES AWAY, IT'S UH, PRETTY ACCURATE.
YOU COME WITH YOUR ORDER WINDOW, YOU PAY THEN THE PICKUP'S.
THERE'S A DRIVE THROUGH WHERE YOU ORDER.
AND THEN YOU PULL UP TO THE WINDOW.
SO THERE'S TWO ORDER JUST SEPARATE FROM THE BUILDING.
YOU GUYS HAVE THE KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT? YES.
IT'D BE EASIER TO PLANT FOR TREES OVER THERE.
THAT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS PUT THAT SLIGHT THERE JEFF.
WHATCHA TALKING ABOUT? NO, REALLY THAT WAS KEITH.
WELL I WAS SURPRISED HE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, PREFACE IT, THAT'S ALL.
OH WELL SHE WAS WAITING TO SEE IF HE LIKED IT OR NOT.
MAKE THINGS BECAUSE THE OF SO MANY TREES WE ARE TRYING TO RETRE THE, THE TOWN WE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE THINK WE WOULD WANT TO DISCUSS? NO, JUST THE, THE FENCING WAS THE BIG THING FOR ME.
MAKE SURE THAT'S, AND THAT'S ON THE PLAN.
IT'S ON THE PLAN AND IT'S DEFINED AS A STOCK FENCE.
SO WE, WE DON'T NEED TO ADD THAT AS A SPECIAL CONDITION EITHER.
APPRECIATE BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT BETTER IF IT'S ON THE PLAN.
UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE TACO BELL PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 2,200 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH TO BE LOCATED AT 4 9 2 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 3RD, 2022.
THIS PROJECT MEETS THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE SEEKER LAW AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
AND THEREFORE IT DOES NOT REQUIRE COMPLETION OF THE SEEKER PROCESS.
UH, THIS IS A MOTION TO GRANT CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 14TH, 2022.
TWO, ANY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS NOT REQUIRED AS THEY ALREADY EXIST IN THIS AREA.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND FIVE, AN ADDITIONAL FOUR TREES WILL BE PLANTED ACROSS SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THAT IS A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY SECOND JEB.
ONE OPPOSED? YEAH, I JUST CAN'T GET THERE.
SHE'S SATISFIED WITH EVERYTHING.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ON THE AGENDA, ISTO DEVELOPMENT, REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 96 UNIT TOWN DEVELOPMENT ON VACANT LAND WEST DRIVE.
WE HAVE FOR WHICH ONE? UH, YEAH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE BROUGHT, WE BROUGHT EXTRA FULL SIZE IF ANYONE WANTS ONE.
BUT I'LL ALWAYS, WELL YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU, BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY SEAN IS SEAN'S BRINGING OVER FOR EVERYBODY.
THESE ARE, I HAVE TO CARRY SITE.
SO THE, THE PRESSING QUESTION WE HAD LAST TIME IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE TOWNHOUSES.
I THINK WE DECIDED THAT THEY WERE NOT TOWNHOUSES.
THEREFORE WE NEED TO DO, THEY ARE TOWN, THEY ARE TOWNHOUSES, THEREFORE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
THEREFORE WE NEED, OKAY, WE HELD UP CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE GOTTA KNOW WHAT TYPE OF PUBLIC HEARING WE WERE GONNA CALL.
RIGHT? BECAUSE ONE WOULD BE SITE PLAN, THE OTHER WOULD BE SUBDIVISION.
ALRIGHT, SO THEY ARE TOWNHOUSES SO WE HAVE TO DO SOME DIVISION.
GOOD MEETING LAST TIME DIDN'T NICE.
SO I, I'LL COME, I'LL GO BACK TO WHERE WE ARE.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME, THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CAMINO
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WOOD DESIGN.AS YOU RECALL, WHEN WE WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THIS FIT THE DEFINITION OF A TOWNHOUSE AS DEFINED IN SECTION TWO 80 DASH 3 42 OF THE ZONING CODE.
UPON FURTHER REVIEW, IT DOES FOR TWO REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE UNITS FOR SALE, NOT FOR LEASE.
THAT THAT WAS A SMART IDEA GIVEN WHERE THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED.
AND SECONDLY, ALTHOUGH THEY COULD, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FROM A PROPERTY TAX PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE NOT UTILIZING THE CONDOMINIUM FORM OF OWNERSHIP AND USE THE CONDOMINIUM FORM OF OWNERSHIP.
YOU CAN HAVE IT SO THEY JUST ACQUIRE ACTUALLY WITHIN THE WALLS OF THE UNITS.
ANTHONY ACTUALLY REFERRED THIS UPDATED PLAN, LABELED IT A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN TERMS OF THE LOTS, THE LOTS ARE LITERALLY GONNA BE THE FOOTPRINT OF EACH PARTICULAR UNIT.
THERE'S 10 UNITS AND INTERIOR UNITS, WHICH PLUS ONE FOOT.
AND THAT MAY SEEM A LITTLE STRANGE, BUT THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT ALLOWS ANYONE WHO BUYS ONE OF THESE UNITS TO BE INSURED THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT WE HAVE TO FILE PREPARE, NOT CONDO ASSOCIATION CAN HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALKS, YARDS.
SO WANNA GO TO FLORIDA FOR THREE MONTHS.
YOU CAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, HEY, I GOTTA GET A SNOW PLOW CONTRACTOR, YOU WANT TO BE AWAY FOR A MONTH IN THE SUMMER, I GOTTA FIND SOMEONE IN MOW THE YARD.
ALL THOSE SERVICES WILL BE INCLUDED.
SO THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT IN A TYPICAL SUBDIVISION, BUT I THINK IT WORKS AND I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT UM, IS REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LETTER THAT I SUBMITTED, I ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS A LITTLE BIT STRANGE AND IT'S ON THE TOP OF PAGE THREE.
IT SAYS THE LOT AREA IS REQUIRED TO BE 2000 SQUARE FEET.
AND WHERE THERE'S A GROUP OF TOWN HOME LOTS, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE SHALL NOT, SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN 2200 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THIS CURRENT PLAN IS TWO LOT SIZES.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE EXTERIOR UNITS AND INTERIOR UNITS AND THOSE LOT SIZES, ANTHONY, HELP ME HERE, ARE QUITE SMALL.
956 SQUARE FEET FOR THE INTERIOR AND 1084 SQUARE FEET FOR THE END UNITS.
THE REASON WHY WE'RE RELUCTANT TO INCREASE THOSE.
SO WE CONTRADICT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY IN THAT HEY, IF YOU BUY THIS UNIT THAT'S NOT YOUR YARD, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL OWNED BY THE ASSOCIATION.
IT'S MAINTAINED BY THE ASSOCIATION.
I THINK IT'S JUST THAT THIS PROVISION OF THE CODE DOESN'T ANTICIPATE THIS EXACT FORMAT.
SO I WAS HOPING WE GET SOME INPUT ON THAT.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING THAT WE WANT TO GO OVER, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY MARGO LAST TIME WAS THE FINDING STATEMENT THAT WAS ISSUED WAY BACK WHEN IN 1988.
I THINK IT WAS AROUND THE SAME TIME YOU WERE BORN.
BASICALLY HAD 11 CATEGORIES OF MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND WE INDICATED WE WOULD SUBMIT A RESPONSE TO THOSE IMPACTS.
SHE LOOKS MUCH SO BIT, BUT, SO I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THOSE POINT BY POINT REALLY QUICK.
NUMBER ONE DEALT WITH TRAFFIC AND I WOULD EXPLAIN, OBVIOUSLY WE DID DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IN HIS RECALL.
IF WE GO BACK IN HISTORY, DAVID CRUZ ON DECEMBER 13TH OF LAST YEAR SUBMITTED A LETTER RESPONDING TO SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE GOT ABOUT TRAFFIC FINDING STATEMENT ISSUE NUMBER TWO WAS A NEED FOR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF AMSTEL AND LAKE SHORE ROADS WORKING WITH DOT.
THAT ULTIMATELY HAPPENED SOMETIME IN THE PAST 35, 34 YEARS.
COMMENT NUMBER THREE DEALT WITH A NEED FOR PUBLIC AS WELL AS PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
AND I THINK AS YOU RECALL FROM THE DISCUSSION EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY OF THE PLAN THAT WAS ACTUALLY SIGNED BY THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN RICHARD CRANDELL AT THE TIME IN 2003 CONFIRMING THAT ABSOLUTELY THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS NOT DESIGNATED PERMANENT OPEN SPACE AND THAT THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR THE OVERALL PUD HAD BEEN SATISFIED.
UH, MAJOR ISSUE NUMBER FOUR DEALT WITH RADIO WAVES FROM THE WBR RADIO STATION, NO RESPONSE NECESSARY.
UM, MAJOR ISSUE NUMBER FIVE WAS DEVELOPMENT IMPACT ON EXISTING WELLS.
I THINK OBVIOUSLY THAT PERTAINED TO OFFSITE PROPERTIES.
NO WELLS ARE PROPOSED OR EXIST WITHIN THE EXISTING PROJECT CATEGORY NUMBER SIX DEALT WITH SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY.
OBVIOUSLY A LOT'S CHANGED BETWEEN 1988 AND 2022.
WE ARE NOW REQUIRED TO PREPARE DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS, WHICH EVALUATES THE AVAILABILITY OF DOWNSTREAM CAPACITY DURING WET WEATHER CONDITIONS.
WE'VE DONE THAT AND ON MAY 2ND OF THIS YEAR, ERIE COUNTY DIVISION OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT SIGNED OFF ON THAT.
AND OF COURSE WE WILL BE IMPLEMENTING MITIGATION.
NUMBER SEVEN DEALT WITH AN INCREASE IN STORMWATER RUNOFF.
AGAIN, A LOT HAS CHANGED IN THE PAST 35 YEARS.
UM, ANTHONY HAS SUBMITTED FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, A SWIP AND ENGINEERS REPORT DEMONSTRATING THAT WILL MEET THE STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE NEED TO HAVE A STORM SYSTEM THAT HANDLES A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT.
OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THAT IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY CAMMI.
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CATEGORY NUMBER EIGHT IS EROSION CONSULTATION.AGAIN, WE'LL ULTIMATELY HAVE A, AN APPROVED SLIP AND AN APPROVED SPEEDIES PERMIT.
WE'LL IMPLEMENT THOSE MEASURES APPROPRIATELY.
NUMBER NINE, DEALT WITH THE WATER, WATER COMPANY ANTHONY.
I BOTH CHECK WE DON'T THINK THAT EXISTS ANYMORE.
ALL OF THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.
COMMENT NUMBER 10, DEALT WITH THE USE OF SLAG IN THE RESULTING BAD ODORS.
NO SLAG WILL BE UTILIZED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND NUMBER 11 DEALT WITH IMPACT ON PLANT ANIMALS, SPECIFICALLY THREATENED OR ENDANGERED SPECIES.
AND AS PART OF THE COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT THIS BOARD HAS CONDUCTED ON JANUARY 14TH OF THIS YEAR, DAVID DANK, THE REGIONAL PERMIT ADMINISTRATOR OF THE DEC PROVIDED A LETTER.
NUMBER ONE, AGREEING THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE THE LEAD AGENCY AND TWO AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, NOT INDICATING THERE'S ANY THREATENED ENDANGERED SPECIES OR HABITAT ON THE SITE.
SO I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE 11 CATEGORIES.
I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION THAT WE COULD ASK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
I GUESS THE ONLY THING WE'RE ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON IS THAT LOT SIZE COMMENT AND THE LOT SIZE.
AND ALSO YOU REQUIRE 250 SQUARE FOOT PATIO.
YEAH, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT
I DIDN'T MEAN TO NO, YOU YOU CAN IT ALL.
BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE FINISHED.
SO THIS LETTER YOU PROVIDED WAS SO INCREDIBLY HELPFUL, BUT OH, THANK YOU.
IT DID ENABLE ME TO BE A LITTLE ELEMENTAL AND SO I HAVE A LOT OF SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
ONE WAS ABOUT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE THAT YOU WENT OVER.
SO YOU NEED A 35 FOOT FRONT YARD.
AND 35 FEET BETWEEN THE END OF A GROUP AND A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET.
I THINK FOR THE MOST PART WE HAVE THOSE.
AND THEN, AND AGAIN, AND I JUST WANNA KNOW, ANTHONY JUST PREPARED THIS PLAN TODAY.
IT'S JUST TO ILLUSTRATE SOME LOT.
SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
AND WHAT'S THE DEPTH TO GROUNDWATER ON SITE? DO WE KNOW? UM, NO, BUT WE DO HAVE AN EAFI DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
I DON'T, I THINK I LOOKED AT IT.
I'M SURE THE ANSWER IS AT LEAST FIVE FEET.
UM, SO WITH SEASONAL FLUCTUATIONS, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT BECAUSE ALL TOWNHOUSES CONNECTED TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER LINES AND ALL ELECTRICAL AND TELEPHONE LINES AND A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT HAVE TO BE UNDERGROUND.
SO IS THAT FEASIBLE? OH, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT, RIGHT? THAT HIGH.
WE'RE NOT DOING OVERHEAD POWER LINES ALL BE UNDERGROUND.
I HAD THE SAME QUESTION DREW HAD ABOUT BOTH THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, SO THIS IS A SHELL LIST.
SO ALL OF THESE PRESUMABLY APPLY MM-HMM
UM, A 250 SQUARE FEET OF PATIO LIVING PER TOWN HOUND AND THEN 500 FEET PER DWELLING, WHICH ENDS UP BEING 48,000 FEET.
WHICH I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THE MATH ON THE ACRES.
SO DO WE HAVE THE TWO 50 PATIO, WHICH I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT PATIO ENCLOSURES.
AND 48,000 FEET OF SHARED RECREATIONAL SPACE.
SO I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE THE RECREATIONAL AREA.
'CAUSE THAT WAS ACTUALLY A COMMENT THAT CAME UP AS YOU RECALL.
WE WERE ASKED TO ACTUALLY DESIGN THIS PROJECT BASED ON THE TOWNHOUSE STANDARDS, EVEN IF IT WASN'T GONNA BE A TOWNHOUSE PROJECT.
IF WE GO BACK TO LAST YEAR IN TERMS OF THE PATIOS, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE CHAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS.
I IT WOULD IT BE A BIG DEAL IF WE DON'T HAVE 250 FOOT PATIOS? I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT PERFORMANCE EVEN IN THERE TO BE HONEST.
WHY, WHY ARE YOU REQUIRED TO HAVE ONES THAT THEY, IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM OUTSIDE SPACE, WHAT'S A PATIO? I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT PATIO, IT'S A STRANGE, I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT A CODE, BUT IT IS IN THERE.
IT COULD BE A, I MEAN, I THINK IN MY MIND THAT JUST THAT SOMEBODY HAS LIKE A TO BE OUTSIDE OUTDOOR SPACE TO BE OUTSIDE THAT THEY HAVE FULL RIGHTS TO, BUT THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC KIND OF STONE CONCRETE OR SOMETHING.
BY THE WAY THAT THAT TOWNHOUSE WALL IS IS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
IT'S BEEN AROUND AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN.
I WAS GONNA SAY, DOES IT PREDATE YOU DREW? YEAH, IT PREDATES ME.
IT GETS EVEN MORE CONFUSING WHERE WE GET WALL FENCES AND BUFFERING.
SUBSECTION K ALL PATIO OUTDOOR LIVING AREA ON EACH TOWNHOUSE SHALL BE ENCLOSED BY A WALL, A FENCE OR A DENSE DENSE HEDGE.
AND IT IS TO PROVIDE OUTDOOR SPACE TO EACH, SO WOULD THEY TECHNICALLY NEED A VARIANCE? THEY CAN'T MEET THE REQUIRED AND THEN IT SAYS A AFFORDING COMPLETE SCREENING LIKE YOU CAN'T SEE AND IN AT ALL.
THAT'S FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S NOT WHERE MOST PEOPLE HAVE LIVED IN A RURAL HOUSE ENVIRONMENT AND APPRECIATED BY ENCLOSED BIFURCATED FROM MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, BUT PROBABLY IN AN URBAN SETTING.
BUT YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE ARE, I MEAN PEOPLE STILL WANT SPACE AND I THINK IT PREVENTS CONFLICT AND PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE TO HAVE, DO YOU WANNA REQUIRE IT DOES IF IT'S REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
WELL KEEP KEEP IN MIND BECAUSE REMEMBER THESE ARE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS AND DREW AND JENNIFER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I MEAN THIS BOARD ACTUALLY DOES HAVE JURISDICTION.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU WOULD TO WAIVE ONE OR MORE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR A VARIANCE ON THE PATIOS.
THINK JENNIFER AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SHOULD PROVIDE US.
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS WE SHOULD GO THROUGH, I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THE FINDING STATEMENT UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
NO, I THINK
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DID THIS TODAY AND WE THANK HIM FOR DOING THAT QUICKLY, LET US TAKE A LOOK AT THE CRITERIA THAT WE SPELLED OUT RIGHT IN THE LETTER MM-HMMAND AGAIN, WE CAN PROVIDE 2000 SQUARE FOOT WATS.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS TO GO BACK TO THE BACK AND GO.
IT IS, I THINK IT'S JUST A STRANGE WAY TO DO IT.
I THINK IT'S ALSO EQUALLY STRANGE.
SO IT HAS TO, IT'D JUST BE THE BUILDING PLUS ONE FOOT.
BUT WHY WE'VE, WE'VE DEALT WITH TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT WAS THERE WAS A VISION OF WHAT TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT WAS.
YOU EVER GO TO THE OLD TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT? THEY WERE, THEY WERE UNITS WITH LOTS OF SMALLER LOTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WITH COMMON AREA.
AND THEY ENVISIONED THESE AREAS WITH THE PATIOS IN THE BACK THAT WERE FENCED IN OR ENCLOSED AREA THAT PEOPLE HAD THAT.
AND PLUS THEY HAD A 500 SQUARE FEET RECREATION PER UNIT FOR RECREATION AREA FOR PEOPLE THAT IT WAS A, THIS ENCLOSED COMMUNITY THAT HAD ALL THOSE BENEFITS AND WHATEVER.
THAT WAS THE VISION OF THE TOWN 28 YEARS AGO.
THE PLANNING, WHERE IS THE POWER? BUT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
ITS, IT HAS ITS OWN SERVICES THERE.
PEOPLE ARE BEING ABLE TO RECREATE AND NOT EVERYTHING IS PUBLIC, PUBLIC LANDS, ET CETERA.
I MEAN IT WAS THE VISION OF THE TOWN 30 YEARS AGO.
WHY ARE, WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING USING THE CONDO STANDARDS? UM, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPER'S NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.
AND AGAIN, WE KNOW EVERY TIME WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS PATH, WELL SOME OF YOU WERE IN THIS ROOM WHERE THAT TURNS INTO A WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE IN AND OF ITSELF.
I'D RATHER AVOID THAT TWO DISCUSSION.
I SAYING, BUT THERE'S NO PATIO BUT THERE'S NO PATIO REPORT.
YOU GET HALF THE TAXES FOR THE EXACT SAME EXACT.
SO I THINK WE ALL REMEMBER THE PROJECT, RIGHT? IT WAS THE RUSSO ONE THEY WERE SELLING TO.
BUT I, I JUST, SO I DON'T WANNA GO THERE IF WE DON'T NEED TO.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHY COULDN'T YOU USE AN HOA THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SNOW REMOVAL? WE WOULD LANDSCAPING EXTERIOR.
SO THEN WHY WOULDN'T PEOPLE OWN MORE TO MEET THE TOWN HOME REQUIREMENT? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS MORE OF LIKE A ON PAPER LOOKING LIKE A CONDOM LOCK.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BETTER FOR ALL THAT AREA WHERE THE ASSOCIATION'S GONNA BE, HAVE MAINTENANCE TO BE ALL ON COMMON AREA.
BASICALLY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY.
MEANING CAITLIN, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THIS LOT COULD GO ALL THE WAY TO HERE AND ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK.
IT'S JUST, IT JUST RESULTS IN AN AWKWARD LOOKING SUBJECT I THING.
BUT TECHNICALLY, I MEAN ISN'T THE DIFFERENCE WITH A TOWNHOUSE THAT IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY LIKE, SO I OWN BILL LOOKS NEXT DOOR TO ME.
I CAN GO STAND OUTSIDE TO BILL'S WINDOWS AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN DO BECAUSE IT'S ALL
WELL EXCEPT REMEMBER YOU DO AGREE.
WHEN YOU MOVE INTO SUCH A COMMUNITY, WHATEVER RULES AND REGULATIONS THEY HAVE, YOU AGREE TO.
SO I THINK THE OFFER, WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING IS YOU'RE GOING TO FINALIZE THIS PLAN, TRY TO MEET AS MUCH AS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWNHOUSE HALL POINT OUT WHERE YOU WOULD ASK FOR WAIVERS FROM RIGHT OF THE TOWNHOUSE AND WHY, OBVIOUSLY IF IT WAS A SETBACK ISSUE, THAT WOULD BE A VARIANCE, RIGHT? I AGREE.
UM, BUT THE OTHER THINGS YOU MAY BE ABLE TO WAIVE AS REQUIREMENTS LIKE YOU KNOW, PATIOS OR, OR WHATEVER.
BUT UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY GOTTA IDENTIFY IS, OKAY, WE'VE AGREED THAT THERE'S A TOWNHOUSE, WE WANT PLAN SHOWING THE MEETING, THE TOWNHOUSE REQUIREMENTS ARE AWARE, THE REQUESTING WAIVERS, UM, HE'S GONE OVER THE SECRET MATERIALS.
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL, AND NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC WHEN WE DO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PROJECT IS.
ELEVATION PLANS ARE REQUIRED AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUALLY YOU SUBMITTED.
I THINK THE BIG ISSUE THAT KEEPS COMING UP, AND IT WAS IN AGAIN IN THE LETTER THAT YOU GOT THE OTHER MONTH, WAS YOUR DOCUMENTATION ON THE, THE GREEN SPACE RECREATION SPACE THAT THE TOWERS DOCUMENT OVER.
I KNOW THEY, AND I'VE ASKED THE RESIDENTS AND THAT IF THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PLANS TO PRESENT THEM RIGHT.
AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
UM, IN HIS MEMO, HE'S IDENTIFIED THE ISSUES THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED.
WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF PART TWO IF YOU'RE GONNA ISSUE A NECK DECK AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE IN THERE.
I MEAN YOU IDENTIFY THE BIG ONES THAT WERE BACK THEN.
30, I KEEP MAKING THIS OLDER THAN IT IS 35 YEARS.
THERE WERE ISSUES WITH SEWER, THERE WERE ISSUES WITH WATER PROBLEMS, THERE WERE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
UM, SO WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE ALL THOSE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT KEEPS COMING UP IS THE BUFFER TO THE RAILROAD IS IN THE CODE.
WE HAVE REVIEWED THAT YEARS AGO,
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GOT INPUT FROM THE RAILROAD, OTHER PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THEY LEFT IT AT 50 FEET.AND THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT OF THE TOWN.
WE HAVE OTHER DEVELOPMENT ALONG RAILROADS.
THEY HAVE TO BE 50 FEET AWAY FROM THE RIGHT OF THE RAILROAD.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE THE FINDING STATEMENT WAS ISSUED 34 YEARS AGO.
SO WE ARE GOING AND WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY DONE THAT IN THE PAST, IS THAT BECAUSE THE FINDINGS IS SO OUTDATED, WE'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO GET YOU TO ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION BASED UPON ALL THAT UPDATED INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED.
ALL THE ISSUES THAT YOU CAN ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, WHICH IS A, YOU CAN DO UNDER THE SECRET LAW, OUTDATED INFORMATION OR, OR INFORMATION THAT WASN'T PROPERLY ADDRESSED.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS PUUD SORRY TO GET ON THE SOAPBOX, IS THAT THE PROBLEM WITH THIS PUD IS SOME OF THE PUD WAS, WAS DESIGNED VERY WELL AND OTHER PARTS OF THE PUD DID NOT HAVE DESIGN OR WHATEVER JUST SAID THESE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WOULD OCCUR THERE.
SO UNFORTUNATELY YOUR BURDEN WITH THE FACT THAT TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, IS THIS MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE FINDINGS AND THE LAW.
SO I GUESS THEN THE QUESTION IS WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL WE'LL SATISFY THAT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT THAT'S BEEN SPECIFIED.
I THINK THE CHOICES WE HAVE IS IN TERMS OF OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT STEP IS GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT THIS PARTICULAR HEARING TO BE SCHEDULED ON DECEMBER 21ST BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE INTERESTED RESIDENTS AND I DON'T THINK THEY'LL VIEW THAT AS BEING A FAIR APPROACH.
SO I THINK THE TWO CHOICES ARE THE FIRST MEETING OF DECEMBER OR THE FIRST MEETING OF JANUARY.
OBVIOUSLY OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THE FIRST, I MEAN THE FIRST MEETING DECEMBER.
BUT I DEFINITELY, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT ON THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER.
NOT THAT I MIGHT NOT BE HERE, BUT I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR JANUARY.
I ALWAYS SAY IN JANUARY BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THIS.
SO WE COME, CAN WE, SO WE COME BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME IN AND I'D RATHER AND HAVE CLEAN DO YOU WANNA, CAN YOU COME BACK TO US AT ONE OF THE DECEMBER? I THINK WHAT WE DO IS COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WITH THAT UPDATED INFORMATION.
AND THEN YOU DECIDE TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR JANUARY.
WELL WE, NO, SO WE CAN SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.
AND THEN TABLE IT TO THE SEVENTH SO THAT WAY, BECAUSE I THINK MS. HOPKINS IS RIGHT.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
AND THEN WE CAN START LETTING THE RESIDENTS KNOW REALLY WANNA COME IN FOR, AND I DON'T BLAME YOU, THIS HAS BEEN TABLES SINCE FEBRUARY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE BEEN DRAGGING.
SO YOU'RE, SO YOU COME BACK TO THE, WHENEVER THE NEXT MEETING IS THAT WE HAVE SPOT AND HAVE SOME RESOLUTION ON THIS.
AND THEN WE WOULD SCHEDULE NOW THE MEETING FOR RIGHT.
WELL ACTUALLY THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO SCHEDULE THE HEARING.
I'M GONNA ACT AGAINST MY OWN BEST INTEREST.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
'CAUSE YOU CAN STILL DO IT AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
BUT I THINK AND THEN MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE INFORMATION.
I, I JUST BECAUSE THERE THERE JUST SCHEDULE IT INTEREST.
THEY MARKET ON THEIR CALENDARS NOW.
SO I'M GONNA START OFF WITH MAKING A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DATE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR JANUARY 4TH, 22.
AND THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE DATE OF DEVELOPMENT TO DECEMBER 7TH, 2022.
SECOND, A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY JEB.
AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD, IF WE DO MAKE ANY CHANGES BECAUSE I KNOW SARAH'S LISTENING TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT DATED TODAY THAT WE HANDED OUT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
WE'LL SUBMIT UPDATED VERSIONS FOR REVIEW.
WE HAVE AN EXTRA WEEK, RIGHT? WE DO.
HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GOOD THANKSGIVING.
YEAH, NO, I THINK YOU HAVE ANOTHER WEEK.
YEAH, WE, YEAH WE DO BY NEXT FRIDAY DUE THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING THROUGH THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.
USUALLY THEY WOULD NEED THIS FRIDAY.
I'M NOT WORKING ON THANKSGIVING.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE COME IN FROM OUTSIDE? IS IT OUT THERE? SURE.
YOU DON'T WANT KNOW YOU'RE VERY SAFE HERE.
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PEOPLE AND ARE YOU I TOLD HER THEY WERE LIKE WOMEN WOMEN'S ORGANIZATION NEEDS SOMEONE TO COME SPEAK TO THEM ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND ADVOCACY.THEN I CALLED THE WOMAN AND SHE LIVES AROUND THE BLOCK FOR ME AND I WAS LIKE, OF COURSE YOU DID.
IN CASE LIKE THIS, IT'S JUST BETTER TO BE ON LOCAL ROADS.
AND SO FOR ME, WHERE I AM, IT'S REALLY FROM HERE, IT'S SOUTHWESTERN TO THE BATHROOM, FIVE CORNERS THERE AND THEN UP.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SAFER.
AND THIS TIME AND NIGHT, USUALLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
SO I'M SURE WITH THIS WEATHER THERE WON'T BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
SO THIS WAY I CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, GO 40.
I KNOW PEOPLE IN THE COMPANIES CAN GET ME THE REST OF THE CON WEST.
WELL WHEN I LEFT WEST CENTER COULD HAVE COME TO THIS MEETING.
THERE WAS A BARE SPRINKLE OF RAIN AND IT WAS 36 DEGREES ACCORDING TO MY CAR.
AND I GOT OFF THE THROUGHWAY HERE TO GET TO AND I WENT, WHAT IS THIS
I WENT TO THE CITY TODAY TO OUR OFFICE AND I JUST LIKE STARED AT THE CLOUD DOWN THE SKYWAY.
IT'S LIKE THIS GONNA GET BAD AND IT'S SOUTHWESTERN.
WELL I THOUGHT THIS, SO THIS IS, I KNOW THEY DON'T SEEM TO KNOW IT.
IT'S LIKE TONIGHT THAT IT'S TOMORROW AND FRIDAY.
FOUR FEET, SIX FEET, TWO FEET.
WELL WHAT'S YOUR JOB? WHAT'S SCHOOL PREDICTION TOMORROW? ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO GO HOME OR IS MOVE WHEN BE CLOSED? I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE OPEN.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO SUB NOT TOMORROW.
I DUNNO, I DIDN'T, I ALSO DIDN'T THINK THERE'D BE WHATEVER WAS GOING ON OUTSIDE UP.
DARK BUT, WELL THE ROYAL SCOTTISH COUNTRY DANCE SOCIETY IS CLOSED.
REALLY? SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY KIND SOCIETY THERE NOT MANY.
I KNOWS THAT THAT AND DOUG ARE NOT HERE.
SO SCREEN SHOWS DIE BATTERY DEAD.
I'LL LET HER IS IT WORKING? IT'S WORKING.
WE HAVE THE FACEBOOK RECORDING.
WE DO BILL OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WORRY BILL.
WORKING NOW IT IT IS WORKING NOW.
AND IF IT WAS NOT WORKING JUST NOW.
YOUR HARD COPY OF YOUR MARKUP ON THE RESOLUTION WE LEAVE THAT.
YEAH, IT'S MUCH SIMPLER AFTER THAT WILL CHANGE.
SHE MAY NOT CATCH FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PLANNING MORE TO DISCUSS, SUBMIT A DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT DEIS IN CONNECTION WITH PROPOSED HOT MIX ASPHALT PLANT TO BE LOCATED AT 5 6 9 0 CAMP ROAD.
SO, SO REALLY THIS IS JUST ON THE AGENDA FOR ME TO GIVE EACH OF YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND I KNOW EACH OF YOU KNOW BUT, AND I KNOW OUR APPLICANT'S HERE.
BUT JUST FOR UPDATE PURPOSES ON THE SEEKER PROCESS, YOU ALL KNOW THAT THIS INITIALLY CAME AS A SITE PLAN APPLICATION IN JUNE OF 2019.
WE ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION IN NOVEMBER OF 2019, FINALIZED SCOPING IN APRIL OF 2020.
AT THAT POINT WE THOUGHT THAT THE PROJECT WAS BEING PURSUED IN AN ALTERNATIVE JURISDICTION UNTIL AUGUST OF THIS YEAR THAT WE RECEIVED A-D-E-I-S FROM THE APPLICANT TO INDICATE THEY'RE AGAIN PURSUING IN HAMBURG WORK.
IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED, UH, A NOTICE TO THE APPLICANT THAT THE DEIS WAS INADEQUATE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND WE SPECIFICALLY STATED OUR DEFICIENCIES WITHIN THAT.
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ISSUING THOSE DEFICIENCIES, WE RECEIVED A CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL EXPRESSING THAT THEY DIDN'T, THEY DID THEIR POSITION THAT THEY DID NOT BELIEVE THEY HAD TO REVISE THE DEIS.AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR OWN COUNSEL THAT HAS RECENTLY ISSUED A LETTER TO THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL.
UH, THE POSITION IN THAT LETTER, WHICH THE PLANNING BOARD DID APPROVE, CLARIFIED AND LIMITED THE REQUESTED UPDATES AND PROVIDED UH, SOME DETAILS THAT WE COULD USE TO WORK TOWARDS THE PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT PROCESS.
UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE LAST STAGE OF WHERE THINGS LEFT OFF AND AS THIS TIME WHERE THE FALL IS KIND OF IN THE APPLICANT'S COURT AND WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM REGARDING THE REVISED DEIS.
SO WE, WE SENT THEM A LETTER SAYING WE WOULD LET THE DIS GO TO PUBLIC REVIEW IF THEY ADDRESSED CERTAIN ISSUES LESS THAN ALL OF THE ISSUES WE PUT IN THERE.
UH, JUST SO WE COULD HELP MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD.
AND ANY OUTSTANDING COMMENTS WOULD STILL BE AVAILABLE FOR COMMENT THROUGH THE PUBLIC REVIEW COMMENT PROCESS OBVIOUSLY.
AND THEN THROUGH THE FBIS PROCESS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR UPDATES BY ANYONE ABOUT ANY OTHER UPDATES BY ANYONE AT THIS STAGE SERVED? I DON'T, IS THERE A COPY OF THE LETTER AVAILABLE? YOU WOULD'VE TO FOIL IT THROUGH THE RIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT I CAN HAVE TO FOIL IT? PLEASE? YES.
YOU HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE TOWN CLERK TO FOIL IT AND, AND BEING THAT IT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE BETWEEN ATTORNEYS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT FOIL REQUEST TO BE GRANTED AT THIS TIME RIGHT NOW.
IT WOULD BE IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION.
YOU SHOULD FILE YOUR REQUEST AND THEN THE TIME CLERK CAN ADDRESS YEAH, THE TIME CLERK WILL ADDRESS IT.
SO WE DON'T DO THAT RIGHT AS THAT WOULDN'T BE PART OF WHAT WE DO.
UM, WELL THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, SO, UM, WILL THERE BE ONE? YES, THERE WILL.
THE SECRET PROCESS IS VERY FORMAL SO THERE WILL BE ONE AND IT WILL HAVE TO BE OPEN FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AND NO, I MEAN TONIGHT.
IT HAS TO BE PROPERLY NOTICED AND IT COMES AT A DIFFERENT STAGE IN THE PROCESS.
THERE'S A VERY DETAILED LAW THAT GOVERNS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AT THIS POINT.
WE HAVE TO DO THE THINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT.
IF WE DO THINGS OUT OF ORDER, THEN THAT COULD BE THAT THAT COULD GO UH, WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA DO OUTTA ORDER.
ALRIGHT, SO I, WE DON'T HAVE A RESPONSE FROM OUR LETTER SO I GUESS WE JUST TABLE IT GENERALLY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA DO? YES, AS OF RIGHT NOW.
WE DID INCLUDE IN OUR LETTER THAT IF THEY PROVIDED US A RES A-D-E-I-S BY DECEMBER 7TH, WE WOULD CONSIDER PUTTING IT ON FOR THE DECEMBER 21ST MEETING.
WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY CAN'T REALLY LEAVE THAT DECISION UNTIL WE GET THEIR POSITION AND WHETHER THEY WOULD BE, THERE WILL NOT BE SUBMITTING ONE BY THAT DEADLINE.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE SPACE ON THE 21ST.
SEEMS NONE THE APPLICANTS WANNA DO IT THEN DO ANYTHING ELSE THEN.
I GOTTA FIGURE OUT WE A SANTA COSTUME ALL SWEATER COORDINATOR.
THAT MIGHT BE EASIER TO PULL OFF OR BOTH, BUT I DON'T, WHERE AM I GONNA GET A SANTA ANYWAY?
SECOND BY, I'LL FIND YOU A SANTA BUT HAS ONE.
A MOTION TO TABLE SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS AS A ASPHALT.
I'M GONNA SAY TABLE A ASPHALT MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY KAILYN.