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IN THAT FACT AS TO TRY TO CREATE THAT CONNECTED CAMPUS STYLE SETTING.UM, BUT THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT ALSO BASED ON THE GATEWAY DESIGN, UH, PROJECT WE'VE DONE, UM, IN 2022 AS A PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WE ALSO, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT CONNECTIVITY A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UM, BUT THE, JUST OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS THERE, THEY WANTED TO TAKE ALL OF THESE PARCEL CONCLUDING.
UH, THE PARCEL TO THE LEFT IS 20 CAMP ROAD, WHICH HAS AN ACTIVE APPLICATION FOR THE PLANNING BOARD RIGHT NOW.
UM, THAT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY BENISON.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER PROPERTIES, SOME OWNED BY LIBERATOR, SOME OWNED BY LOCAL BUSINESSES, UM, TO REZONE THEM TO CRI.
WHAT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS SEE IF THE TOWN BOARD AGREES WITH THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION ON THESE NUMBER PARTS OF THAT THEY WANNA REZONE.
IF THERE ARE ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE OUT OR ADD IN, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION.
UM, BECAUSE OUR NEXT STEPS ARE, WE'RE LOOKING TO SUBMIT A RESOLUTION TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING ON WHAT WE OFFICIALLY WANT TO REZONE TO THE CII DISTRICT.
UM, I'M GONNA LET ANALYST KIND OF TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONNECTIVITY PART OF THE CI DISTRICT AND WHY, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
RIGHT? SO WE INCLUDED THE, UM, THE CRI DISTRICT IN YOUR PACKET.
SO IT SAYS THE USES, AND IT ALSO HAS A SECTION OF CONNECTIVITY, AND THAT'S PART OF WHY THE, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD WAS PRETTY INTENTIONAL IN ADDING ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL PARCELS TO THIS DISTRICT.
UM, BECAUSE THE, THE INTENTION IS TO GIVE IT THE, THE CAMPUS LIKE FEEL AND THERE'S THE, THE HOPES OF HAVING TRAILS, UM, A PART OF THIS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT OF A DESTINATION OF PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE A BREAK WALK.
UM, AND SO ADDING THE ADDITIONAL PARCELS ALLOWS FOR, UM, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE TRAIL TO BE PUT THROUGH THAT AREA.
UM, THERE ARE NOT CURRENTLY PLANS FOR IT TO BE CONNECTED TO A LARGER TOWN WIDE SYSTEM, BUT IT, IT DOES SET UP THIS, THE SPACE FOR WALKABILITY AS THE TOWN PROGRESSES, UM, AND MAYBE MAKES A LITTLE MORE, MAKES CAMP EVENTUALLY MAYBE WALKABLE, BUT, UM, BUSINESS PARK, THE, LIKE A BUSINESS PARK.
KIND OF LIKE A PARK CAMPUS FEEL.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT AS, LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE USES, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE CRI FROM ARTS AND CULTURE TO RESORT COMPLEXES, HEALTH AND WELLNESS, UM, OFFICES.
UH, SO THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST FOR VISITORS, BUT ALSO FOR RESIDENTS.
AND IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, A PLACE TO BE.
UM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW PLANS FOR THAT AREA.
SO YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT THE PLANNING BOARD DID, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE ARE THREE PARCELS ACROSS THE STREET FROM CAMP ROAD THAT DON'T HAVE THAT SIZE SOLUTION.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSED TO INSIDE ALL THREE OF THOSE.
P FOR JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT WAS, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S AUTO SALES, SO IT'D BE NONCONFORMING.
SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE C TWO BECAUSE AUTO SALES ARE ALLOWED IN C TWO.
UM, AND THEY'RE KIND OF ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UM, THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET FROM CAMP ROAD AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY WOULDN'T BE CONNECTED WITHIN THAT CAMPUS STYLE BUILDING.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD CERTIFICATION FOR LEAVING THOSE OUT WAS, WAS THAT, UM, THAT'S THE RED GETS TOWARDS THE, THE TOP HERE.
THIS STUFF UP HERE, RIGHT? YEP.
UM, USES, I'M GLAD WE BROUGHT UP USES IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UH, DOWN HERE BY COMMERCE PLACE, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME EXISTING HOTELS IN THIS AREA RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CRI DISTRICT, UNDER PERMITTED USES HOTELS IS NOT SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT.
YOU HAVE RESORT COMPLEXES, BUT THE HOTELS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA REALLY AREN'T RESORT COMPLEXES.
SO, UH, THE THINKING BEHIND THE PLAINTIFF BOARD FOR THAT IS, IS THAT THE HOTEL THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN.
SO IN THE CRI DISTRICT, WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO OPERATE AS A HOTEL, BUT GOING FORWARD, THERE WOULD BE NO HOTEL PROPOSED IN THE CI DISTRICT.
IT WOULD'VE TO BE WHATEVER'S LISTED.
SO IT WOULD'VE TO BE MORE OF A RESORT COMPLEX.
AND ACTUALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO HOLD ENFORCEMENT KIND OF INTERPRET WHERE THE RESORT COMPLEX KIND OF LOOKS LIKE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, SO WHAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND JUST GOING AROUND THOSE TWO PARTICULAR EXISTING OR THREE PARTICULAR EXISTING? BECAUSE DOESN'T THAT CREATE AN ISSUE IF THEY'RE OUT COMPLIANCE IN THE FUTURE IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, LIKE IF THEY'RE OUT OF THEIR ZONING HOTELS, SO THE, IN ANY EXISTING HOTEL? WELL, THE, THE, WHAT WAS THE THINKING FOR JUST NOT GOING AROUND, ESPECIALLY WHERE A COUPLE OF THEM ARE SPLIT? WELL, THE, THE PLAY BOARD WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND THAT KIND OF WAS ONE OF THE MORE CONTENTIOUS THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THE PLANNING BOARD HAD A GENERAL CONTENTIOUS THAT THEY WANTED TO INCLUDE ALL THE PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA AS, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, TO CREATE THAT CAMPUS STYLE CLEAR.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE HOTELS IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE SO NON-CONFORMING, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY WOULD JUST GRANDFATHERED IN.
THEY WANTED TO INCLUDE THOSE PARCEL BECAUSE PART OF THE CAMP ROW INTERCHANGE DISTRICT, UM, ON YOUR PACKET THAT HAS THE PERMITTED USES ON THE NEXT PAGE, TALKS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY.
UH, AND LETTER A UNDER CONNECTIVITY
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SAYS A MULTIMODAL TRAIL SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO ANY PROJECT PROPOSED IN THIS DISTRICT.MEANING THAT WHATEVER PARCELS WE REZONE INTO THIS DISTRICT SHOULD HAVE A TRAIL THAT INTERCONNECTS ALL THE PROJECTS IN THERE.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD LOOKED AT IT LIKE, WHY WOULD WE NOT HAVE SOME OF THE HOTEL PARK? WHY WOULD WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE VENISON PROJECT AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS ON, OR SOME OF THE PARCELS ON COMMERCE PLACE, BUT NOT RESORT ANY OF THEM THAT WE'RE GONNA NOT PUT A TRAIL IN THAT'S KIND OF BEHIND, AND I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINKING THE UNDERSTANDING WAS TOO, THAT WHILE IT'S NOT RESORT STYLE, IT IS A HOTEL, SO IT'S JUST A STEP OFF OF WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE.
SO I THINK THEIR THINKING WAS TOO, LIKE IT STILL KEEPS WITHIN THE ESSENCE OF WHERE WE WANNA GO WITH IT.
IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT, BUT IT ALSO GIVES THAT HOTEL OWNER THE OPPORTUNITY TO ELEVATE THE HOTEL IF THE REST OF THE AREA IT ELEVATES WITH IT.
THE PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT IS TO CREATE THIS IMPORTANT INTEREST WITHIN TIME TO A DESTINATION.
INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING IT BE, YOU KNOW, COME OFF OF CAMP ROAD AND YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE HAVING CREATIVE USES.
AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THE PERMANENT USES ARE THINGS LIKE RESTORE TOP RESORT STYLE COMPLEXES TO MAKE IT MORE OF AN INVITING PLACE.
AND LIKE WE SAID, IT'S AN IMPORTANT
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, OUR, OUR PURPOSE HERE TODAY IS TO SEE, UM, WHAT YOUR GENERAL THOUGHTS ARE ON THE PARCEL THAT ARE IN THAT CLAIM BOARD MAP.
LIKE I SAID, THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR.
UM, THE TOWN BOARD AT THE TIME, UM, THAT FIRST MAP THAT WE SHOWED, THERE'S QUITE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, WHAT THE TOWN BOARD FIRST INITIALLY PROPOSED AND THE CLAIM BOARD PROPOSED.
UM, WE KIND OF JUST WANT TO SEE YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH THIS FORWARD.
WE'D LIKE TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU KNOW YOU GUYS SEE FIT.
UM, SO IT JUST LIKE YOUR, YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS, WHAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WANTING TO ACTUALLY SOLVE THIS ISSUE, AND THAT'S WITH THE LIBERATORY PIECE, THE FACT THAT IT'S ALSO SPLIT ZONE, THE THINKING BEHIND NOT GETTING THAT ALL IN.
WHAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND NOT STILL HAVING SPLIT ZONING? NO, IT'S, IT'S PROPOSED.
CRI, IT'S ALL GONNA CHANGE THE C IT IS ALL GONNA CHANGE, SO IT'S ALL GONNA GET, YEAH.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY SLASH IS GONNA GO TO RIGHT.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DIFFERENT COLOR.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE SLASHING ON THESE MAPS, ANYTHING THAT'S IN THIS BLUE SLASHING TO GO TO CI, UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS BROWN PART RIGHT HERE, WHICH THAT'S FORMER NEW YORK STATE DOOR THAT'S ALREADY CRI RIGHT NOW.
EVERYTHING THAT HAS THAT BLUE HATCHING, YOU'RE LOOKING TO RESOLVE TWO CRI.
SO ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING, THE BLUE HASHING IS GONNA TURN TO THAT BROWN COLOR.
WHAT, UM, WHAT ARE THE OTHER PLANNING? WHAT THE PLANNING, RIGHT, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO DO THAT.
OH, WHAT IS THIS, UM, WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS ON THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT THIS, UH, THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE HERE THAT SAYS PLANNING BOARD MAP? THE PLANNING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY PASSED, UH, THIS RECOMMENDATION, UH, IN THE REPORT THAT YOU HAVE, UM, THEY KIND OF OUTLINE A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR THINKING BEHIND IT.
THE BIG THING IS THEY WANT TO CREATE, UH, CONNECTIVE AND, UH, INTERACTIVE CAMPUS STYLE APPEALING.
UH, BUT WHEN IT WENT THROUGH, LIKE I SAID, IT WENT THROUGH FOUR OR FIVE MEETINGS, IT TOOK FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS FOR THEM TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON, AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY CAME UP WITH THIS TO GIVE BACK TO THE TOWN COURT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT, OBVIOUSLY FOR IT? RIGHT.
I THINK, UM, IN TERMS OF TRYING TO CREATE IT A CAMPUS STYLE FEELING, I THINK THEY DEFINITELY DID A GOOD JOB IN LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT INTERACTIVE AND MAKE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EXCITING, UH, INTEREST WAVE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, BECAUSE IT WILL PROBABLY BE BEFORE YOU, IS THAT THE BENDERSON PROPERTY, UH, 52 20 CAMP ROAD IS CURRENTLY BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, THAT APPLICANT IS PREPARED TO GO FORWARD WITH APPLICATION, WHETHER IT'S STACY TOO OR WHETHER BOTH CRI.
UM, BUT WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION TO YOU NOW, UM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED, IF WE RESOLVE THAT SPECIFIC PARCEL TO CRI IS IN CRI, ONE OF THE USES, AND I WANT TO RELATE TO YOUR ATTENTION, IS IT SAYS WAREHOUSES ASSOCIATED WITH ANOTHER PRINCIPAL USE, BUT NOT INCLUDING THE STORAGE OF HIGHLY FABLE EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS.
THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT, OBVIOUSLY THAT PROJECT IS PROPOSED AS A WAREHOUSE PROJECT, UM, SO WE ARE GOING TO NEED, IF IT GETS RESOLVED TO CRI, WE WOULD NEED A DETERMINATION FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT HE'S IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT APPLICATION, UM, THAT THE WAREHOUSE USE FITS IN LINE WITH THE CRI USE.
UM, SO WE JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN ZO THAT WE HAVE AN ACTIVE APPLICATION BEFORE THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED AN INTERPRETATION ON, IS, IS THE DRIVE ENTRANCE WAY BIG ENOUGH FOR EVERYTHING? BECAUSE THE STATE'S NOT ALLOWING ANY MORE CUTS IN THE
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STATE ROADS? SO, UH, I MEAN, YEAH, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WELL, THAT, THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION WOULD BE SOMETHING PART OF SITE PLAN.LIKE WHEN THEY GET INTO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ACTUAL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE HAMMER CROSSING PROJECT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE AREA.
THERE'S THE, THE DRIVE IS THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHEN WE, PEOPLE COME BEFORE US, UM, AND APPARENTLY, UM, THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THE PLAN THAT THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING NEAR HOWARD ROAD, WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, UH, WHERE THEY WANNA PUT APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THEY WANNA PUT IN A CUT AN ENTRANCE ON HOWARD ROAD BECAUSE THEY CAN'T ON ON 20.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT DAN'S TALKING ABOUT, OR COUNCILMAN HE KNOWS ONE, THERE'S A CUT THERE ALREADY FROM RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR TRUCKS AND SEMIS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD DO IS IF YOU GUYS AUTHORIZE US TO DO A RESOLUTION FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE WOULD DO A COORDINATED REVIEW, WHICH WOULD MEAN WE WOULD SEND OUT THIS ENTIRE DISTRICT AND EVERYTHING THAT WE SENT YOU, INCLUDING THE MAPS TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
WE WOULD SEND IT TO DC, WE WOULD SEND IT TO THE NEW YORK STATE DOT, WE WOULD SEND IT TO ERIE COUNTY, AND WE WOULD GET COMMENTS BACK FROM THEM, WHICH WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU ON WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE.
THE ONLY THING THAT I'D LIKE TO, TO SHARE IS I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE NEW ZONING FOR THE HOTEL PROPERTIES.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, LOCAL BUSINESSES, WE HAVE THE ERIE COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DISPATCH.
WHEN WE HAVE STORMS COMING, THEY CALL ALL THE HOTELS TO SEE HOW MANY BEDS ARE AVAILABLE.
SO WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE UNDER THEIR CURRENT ZONING.
HOWEVER, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THERE WAS A, A FIRE OR SOME SORT OF UNFORTUNATE EVENT WHERE THE BUILDING WAS DESTROYED, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOTEL IF WE CHANGED THE ZONING.
AND, UM, BASED ON THE PAST COUPLE YEARS IN THIS POSITION, UM, I, I WOULDN'T GO AS FAR TO SAY THAT WE'RE IN DESPERATE NEED OF HOTEL ROOMS. UM, BUT I THINK THAT THESE HOTELS AND THESE PROPERTIES BEING SO CLOSE TO THE THROUGHWAY SERVE A VERY IMPORTANT FUNCTION AND WHEN IT COMES TO SUPPORTING AND PATRONIZING OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THEM IN THE EVENT OF, OF PUBLIC SAFETY INCIDENTS.
SO I, ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE LEAVE THE PROPERTY C TWO AND C ONE BECAUSE THOSE ARE CURRENTLY THERE? YEAH.
OH GOD, IT IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO CHANGE THE LISTS OF USES, LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE RESORTS IN THERE.
IS IT OUTSIDE THE REALM THAT WE CAN PUT RESORTS AND HOTELS? NOT OUTSIDE THE REALM.
OBVIOUSLY WE JUST HAVE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BRINGING THE DISTRICT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD, HAVING ADD THE USE, WHICH IS IT'S JUST, OR GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA CONSIDER RESORT YEAH.
VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA CONSIDER RESORT.
WELL, I'M, I'M INTRIGUED
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D BRING TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHAT THEY CONSIDER LIKE A MARGARITAVILLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON WAREHOUSES AND ON RESORT COMPLEXES.
SO WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON WAREHOUSES AND RESORT STYLE COMPLEXES BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IF MM-HMM.
THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, DEPARTMENT BELIEVES THAT RESORT STYLE COMPLEXES WILL INCLUDE ALL THESE HOTELS THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME OF YOUR CONCERN.
IT MAY TEMPORARILY FOR THE TIME BEING, BUT 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN WE HAVE A NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT, THEY MAY TAKE A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION.
SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE EITHER TO LEAVE THE PROPERTIES ZONED AS THEY ARE SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS HOTELS OR, UM, CHANGE THE CODE CHANGE, CHANGE THE LAW TO ALLOW FOR HOTELS IN THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE.
UH, I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE BETTER INTEREST OF THE TOWN TO NOT CHANGE THE CODE SINCE WE, WE JUST ADOPTED THIS CODE, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST YEAR.
UM, AND TO KEEP THESE PARCELS IN THEIR, IN THEIR EXISTING ZONING SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS HOTELS FOR AS LONG AS THEY'RE NEEDED IN THE TOWN OF BURG.
WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL IF WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE RESORTS AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A DEFINITION TO PERHAPS MAKE A DEFINITION THAT WAY? LIKE WHEN THE SUPERVISOR SAYS IN 15 YEARS FROM NOW, LIKE WE HAVE A CONSISTENT INTERPRETATION THAT IT MAY BE A HOTEL WITH A MINIMUM NUMBER OF BEDS AND A MINIMUM OCCUPANCY NUMBER AND HAVE ACCESS TO PASSIVE RECREATIONAL.
AND THAT MIGHT BE OUR DEFINITION OF A RESORT UP HERE.
I'M ALWAYS AWARE OF OPEN-ENDED LANGUAGE LIKE RESORTS.
YOU INTERPRET THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING IF CODE ENFORCEMENT CAME UP WITH A SET THAT WOULD SATISFY THE SUPERVISORS RIGHT.
CONCERNS, BUT ALSO SATISFY THE DESIRE FOR THIS AREA.
'CAUSE I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE, LIKE RESORT, LIKE WE'RE ALL THINKING OF LIKE A TROPICAL VACATION IS REALLY FEASIBLE UP HERE.
MIGHT MORE HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT AMENITIES ARE THERE POSSIBLY MORE HAS TO DO WITH WHAT AMENITIES
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ARE THERE POSSIBLY A POOL OR SOMETHING.SO THERE MIGHT BE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE MIGHT BE EXISTING DESCRIPTIONS, SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO REGARDING THE CRI, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO KNOW RIGHT.
I KNOW THAT ALSO DREW HAD A MENTION THAT HIS, LIKE THE, THERE WAS AN INTENTION BEHIND THAT, INCLUDING HOTELS, BECAUSE THE IDEA IS ALSO NOT TO FURTHER EXPAND, MAKE THAT LIKE A HOTEL CENTRAL AND HAVE TOO MANY HOTELS OR BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LIKE A STOP AND GO TYPE OF PLACE.
SO THAT WAS THE IDEA OF ALSO KEEPING THAT RESORT COMPLEX.
IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, RESORTS.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A STYLE OF A CAMPUS, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE AN ADJECTIVE.
YOU'RE THINKING MORE LIKE A, LIKE WIND SONG.
MAYBE PEOPLE GO FOR THE WEEKEND.
IS THAT LIKE A RESORT AND WHOLE LITTLE GYM AND NOT MAKE IT A, IT HASN'T BEEN QUALITY AND CENTRAL TAKE PLACE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT WHERE YOU STOP WHERE ALONG TO THREE EIGHT'S MORE SOMEPLACE YOU DRIVE TO TO SPEND THE WEEKEND.
SO WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT.
ALL THE OTHER PARCELS ARE PRETTY MUCH PAID ON THOSE.
WHAT'S THE SITUATION WE'RE IN REGARDING THE, THE BENDERSON PIECE? YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHETHER WE LEAVE IT AS IT CURRENTLY IS OR GOING TO SEE OUR I BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT APPLICATION? WELL, SO THIS REZONING CAME BEFORE THAT APPLICATION.
UM, SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE.
RIGHT NOW, IF BUILDING RE ZONING, IF YOU LEAVE IT AT C TWO, THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH THE APPLICATION THAT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD WILL HANDLE TYPE APPLICABLE PROCESS.
AND THE OLD WEEK, IF YOU REZONE IT TO CRI, LIKE I SAID, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON CONTINUING BEFORE GOING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.
EVEN IF IT IS ON THE CRI, IF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT WAREHOUSING IS A PERMITTED USE IN CRI, THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN HAVE TO, UH, APPEAL HIS DECISION BEFORE THE CBA.
UM, THAT'LL JUST OPEN UP OKAY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
UM, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT, I BELIEVE OF REZONING IT TO CRI.
UM, THAT'S THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S OPINIONS, OBVIOUSLY WERE ABLE TO, SO WE JUST WANT TO PRESENT ALL THE FACTS FOR YOU, JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE OF WHAT MIGHT COME DOWN THE PIPELINE, BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY YOUR DECISION.
WELL, AND THE REZONING WAS PUT INTO MOTION PRIOR TO THE APPLICATION BEING RECEIVED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IN ORDER FOR WAREHOUSES TO BE ALLOWED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ALSO HAVE OFFICE SPACE, OFFICE SPACE, RETAIL SALES BREWERY, THEY WOULD'VE TO HAVE ANOTHER, THEY WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WAREHOUSE.
SO THEY COULDN'T PUT A LITTLE, LITTLE BREWERY AND THEN 800,000 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSES FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUSINESS.
I'VE ACTUALLY, I HAVE TALKED TO JEFF ABOUT THIS.
UM, JEFF AND JEFF SCR, THAT'S CODE ENFORCE.
UM, SO HE, I'M, I MEAN, I'M HESITANT TO GIVE A, HE SAID THIS BEFORE WE GET A SIGNATURE ON IT, BUT FROM CASUAL CONVERSATIONS, HE HAS SAID THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE A LEGITIMATE, UM, IT WOULD NEED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT USE.
SO IF IT IS A BREWERY THEY'RE STORING, THERE ARE ITEMS THERE THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BREWERY.
IT CAN'T JUST BE, THIS IS AN OFFICE AND NOW HERE IS COMPLETELY UNRELATED USES.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OFFICE.
IS THERE A RATIO? UM, NO RATIO, BUT IT HAS HERE TO HAVE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SENSE OF A BREWERY, YOU HAD LIKE A FIVE SEAT TASTING ROOM, HYPOTHETICALLY, RIGHT? YOU NEED, YOU GOT A LITTLE, THEY GOT A GUY OVER THERE AND YOU COME IN TASTE THE BROWN ONE, THE THE RED ONE AND THE PILSNER, AND YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE AN END AROUND, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY, I THINK OBVIOUSLY PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEYS AND SO FORTH WOULD'VE TO LOOK.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING IN THE CODE ITSELF WE PUT SOME SORT OF, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE WAREHOUSING, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT YOU WANT ANOTHER PRINCIPAL USE, THERE'S SOME SORT OF RATIO IN IT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF X TO BE ABLE TO DO? Y PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I MEAN, I, I HAVE TO STUDY IT MORE, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE AMAZON PROJECT AND WHAT WE HAVE WITH, UM, NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY IS IT WITH, UM, AMAZON, FEDEX, I THINK SUPERVISOR WALTERS A SUPERVISOR THAT, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT ADDS ANYTHING TO, TO THE TOWN.
AND I GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS AND I COMMUTE INTO BUFFALO REGULARLY, AND PEOPLE SPEED, THEY GO 60 MILES AN HOUR, THEN THE LIGHT TURNS, THE TRUCKS COME OUT, PEOPLE SLAM ON THE BRAKES.
AND I'VE SEEN ACCIDENTS AND IT, IN MY VIEW, IT CREATES WEAR AND TEAR ON, ON, UM, ON OUR ROADS.
AND IT DIDN'T REALLY CREATE AS FAR AS FEDEX GOES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF AMAZON FOR SURE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE COST OR, YOU KNOW, THAT MANY JOBS WERE CREATED FOR RESIDENTS AND WHATNOT.
UM, SO I MEAN, SO FOR WAREHOUSE,
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I MEAN THOSE JOBS, I MEAN, THEY MAY PAY OKAY, BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A TON OF PEOPLE WORKING THERE, YOU KNOW, BESIDES, THAT'S JUST MY, MY OPINION ON IT.BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, YOU GUYS ARE EDUCATE YOU, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THAT STUFF THAN I DO, BUT I, I'M TRYING TO LEARN IT.
UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO FOR OUR NEXT STEPS ARE, SO WE GOT SOME CLEAR UP
WE'LL COME TO YOU WITH ANOTHER MAP, MAYBE TAKING OUT THE CRI DISTRICT FOR THE HOTEL, BRING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS AT ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO FOR THE 25TH IS WE'LL PUT IN A RESOLUTION OR CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A FOLLOWING MEETING ON THE 25TH.
AND WHEN WE COME TO THE WORK SESSION, WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT WE, WE GOT.
WE, I THINK THAT SUFFICES THEN WE WILL VOTE ON THE RESOLUTIONS OR CAN PASS A RESOLUTION, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING LATER ON IN THE MEETING.
IF NOT, THEN WE'LL SCRAP IT AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO COME TO WORK SESSION UNTIL WE GET IT READY.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE BAYVIEW, UM, HOTEL OR THE COWBOY IS GOING NOW? WE, WE HAVE, WE GOT A FULL AGENDA AND WE'RE RUNNING ABOUT FIVE MINUTES BEHIND.
SO WE, I I WOULD SURE I CAN, I HAVE, YOU DON'T RUN THIS.
I HAVE A QUESTION I CAN ASK YOU, SO I'D LIKE TO ASK.
WELL, I HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK, PEOPLE WANNA KNOW, AND I, AND I'M A BOARD MEMBER AND PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME, SO I'D LIKE TO, TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW IS GOING ON WITH BAYVIEW.
UH, RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE IS AN ACTIVE APPLICATION, UH, AT THAT, AT THE BAYVIEW, UH, CALLED NEXT TO IT.
SO I, TO THE COWBOY RIGHT NOW WHO'S OPERATING, AND THEN WE HAVE AN ACTIVE APPLICATION NEXT DOOR FOR A POTENTIAL APARTMENT COMPLEX, UM, THAT WILL ALSO BE USING SOME SPACE ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO THERE'LL BE TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES, ONE NEXT DOOR TO THE BABY HOTEL, AND THEN ONE ACROSS THE STREET THAT WILL BE ALSO USING, UH, A PARKING LOT.
UM, BOTH APARTMENT, UH, COMPLEXES WILL BE USING THE SAME PARKING LOT AND IT'LL BE ALL IN OUR AGENDA ON THE 20TH AND HAVE 'CAUSE OF PEOPLE 'CAUSE UH, OF THE HISTORICAL, UM, SOCIETY OR COMMISSION OF CONTACT, I MEAN, HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM AND THEIR CONCERNS, UH, THEY HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO US IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUT WE, BUT THEY, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, ABOUT THAT.
SOMEBODY FROM THE CAB ALERTED TO US THAT, UH, THE TOWN WAS LOOKING TO REGISTER IT AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK AND THAT THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THERE.
WE HAVEN'T, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING OFFICIALLY, BUT SURE.
REACH OUT TO THEM AND GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.
I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU OFFLINE, BUT I DID, THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE.
I DID, I DID HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE RELATIVE TO THE, UH, THAT'S NOT DICTATORSHIP, THE DEMOCRACY, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
I THINK IT'S INSULTING TO THE PUBLIC TO SHOW UP TO MEETINGS REGULARLY LATE AND ASK FOR MORE TIME.
MR. MR. HOPE THERE WILL BE, WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO THE ENTERPRISE.
AND MS. SAMUEL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
NO, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, EXCUSE MR. CUNNIFF, IF YOU COULD FOLLOW UP WITH ME ON THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
RELATIVE TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, I'VE RECEIVED CALLS FROM PEOPLE.
THIS IS IMPORTANT TO TAXPAYERS.
NO, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE LOTS OF
I UNDERSTAND, BUT YOU ARE NOT A DICTATOR.
I'M, I'M NOT BEHAVING AS A DICTATOR.
YOU TRY, I'M BEHAVING AS SOMEBODY WHO'S TRYING TO RUN AN EFFICIENT MEETING AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, UH, MR. MR. CONIFF FROM ENTERPRISE, UH, TO BEGIN HIS PRESENTATION.
WELL, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US AT YOUR TOWN BOARD MEETING.
I'M CHRISTINA, I'M YOUR CLIENT STRATEGY MANAGER FOR ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT.
UM, AND THIS IS MY COWORKER, TYLER.
UM, TYLER WORKED WITH YOU ALL TO ESSENTIALLY START THE PARTNERSHIP AND THEN I EFFECTIVELY TOOK THE PARTNERSHIP FROM THERE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE, UH, WHERE WE ARE.
UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, JUST A BRIEF AGENDA FOR TODAY AND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA ROLL THROUGH.
SO WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT OFFERING, UM, OUR PROGRAM OFFERINGS, OUR PRE PARTNERSHIP OVERVIEW.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHY YOU PARTNERED WITH US IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, A 10 YEAR MODEL THAT TYLER RAN YOU ALL THROUGH WHEN WE INITIALLY PARTNERED AS WELL.
AND THEN A POST PARTNERSHIP REVIEW.
AND THAT SHOULD LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AS WELL FOR QUESTIONS.
AND CERTAINLY FEEL FREE TO INTERJECT AS WE KIND OF ROLL THROUGH.
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A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WE'RE WE'RE USED TO BECAUSE WE DO TYPICALLY ENGAGE IN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COUNTIES AND OUR TOWNSHIPS.UM, SO WE DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL QUESTIONS ARE ADDRESSED.
AND AGAIN, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP.
MOVING INTO THE NEXT SLIDE, A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, US AS A RENTAL CAR COMPANY, RIGHT? BUT WE ALSO ASSIST WITH FLEETS OF VEHICLES.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ENTERPRISE FOR OVER 10 YEARS NOW.
UM, BUT MY JOB CURRENTLY IS TO HELP FACILITATE THE RELATIONSHIPS, UM, WITH FOLKS LIKE THE TALENT.
UM, JUST TO LIST A FEW OF THE CUSTOMERS THAT I WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH THAT, UM, I THINK ARE OF INTEREST WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP, OF COURSE, COUNTY OF ERIE, STEUBEN COUNTY, ONEIDA COUNTY, UH, SEAGO, EAST ROCHESTER, LEWIS COUNTY, NIAGARA FALLS WATER BOARD, THAT'S JUST TO NAME A FEW.
THERE ARE SEVERAL OF ME IN THE ROCHESTER, BUFFALO, AND SYRACUSE REGION.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY MY GOAL REMAINS THE SAME WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE PARTNERS THAT WE, WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF DOING BUSINESS WITH.
AND THAT'S TO ULTIMATELY HELP IN REDUCING YOUR TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP WHEN IT COMES TO OPERATING VEHICLES FOR THE TOWN.
UM, WE WORK WITH OVER A HUNDRED, UM, NEW YORK STATE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.
UM, SO THIS IS CERTAINLY, UH, IT'S ALWAYS AN UNDERTAKING.
BUT YEAH, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A VERY FAMILIAR SPACE FOR US.
SO MOVING INTO THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
UM, AS A FLEET MANAGEMENT COMPANY, WE DO OFFER A FULL SCALE SERVICE OF, OF PRODUCTS AND, AND ITEMS ESSENTIALLY TO, TO IMPLEMENT IN FLEETS WHEN NECESSARY.
UM, SO CURRENTLY FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, WE DO ALL OF THE GREEN THINGS, RIGHT? WE ARE ACQUIRING VEHICLES FOR YOU.
WE'RE SELLING VEHICLES FOR YOU, WE'RE HELPING YOU TO FINANCE THOSE VEHICLES.
WE'RE ASSISTING WITH THINGS LIKE LICENSE TITLE AND REGISTRATION, AND WE'RE ALSO HANDLING AFTERMARKET CUSTOMIZATION.
THESE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR TOWNS BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THERE'S SO MUCH THAT GOES INTO VEHICLES THAT YOU ALL OPERATE, WHETHER IT'S A POLICE UTILITY, INTER SOFTWARE THAT NEEDS LIGHTING EQUIPMENT, OR IT'S A PARKS VEHICLE THAT NEEDS TO BE OUTFITTED WITH A PLOW OR A DUMP BODY, OR YOU NAME IT, JUST TO NAME A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF OUTFITS THAT WE DO.
UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY IMPLEMENTING MAINTENANCE PROGRAMS AS WELL AS TELEMATICS.
SO WE'RE COLLECTING DATA ON YOUR VEHICLES TO HELP ENSURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR FLEET AND FOR YOUR TOWN TO ULTIMATELY REDUCE TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP, WHICH WE'LL MENTION A COUPLE OF TIMES IN OUR PRESENTATION TODAY.
UM, WE DO ALSO OFFER FUEL SERVICE PROGRAMS, RISK MANAGEMENT AND DRIVER SAFETY.
SO REALLY JUST A, A PROGRAM OVERVIEW THERE.
ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE IS UNDERSTOOD HERE, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THANK YOU, IS OUR OPEN-END EQUITY LEASE STRUCTURE.
UM, THIS IS REALLY THE PINNACLE, KIND OF PART OF WHY WE FIT IN SO WELL WITH WITH TOWN COUNTIES LIKE YOURSELF.
SO TYLER'S GONNA HELP WALK THROUGH THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE WAY THAT THESE LEASES ARE STRUCTURED.
'CAUSE NORMALLY WHEN ORGANIZATIONS, PEOPLE IN GENERAL HEAR THE WORD LEASE, IT'S TENDS TO BE A DIRTY TERM.
UM, AND THAT IS KIND OF INDICATIVE TO THE TYPICAL DEALERSHIP LEASE THAT A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS ARE FAMILIAR WITH.
THESE BEING AN EQUITY LEASE, THERE'S ACTUALLY AN OWNERSHIP STAKE IN THE VEHICLE AS YOU'RE MAKING PAYMENTS.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FLEXIBLE FINANCE BETWEEN ACTUALLY FINANCING OWNERSHIP AS WELL AS A LEASE.
SO YOU, AS YOU MAKE PAYMENTS ON THE VEHICLE, YOU'RE BUILDING EQUITY WITHIN IT.
SO WHEN IT COMES TIME TO TURN THAT VEHICLE IN AT THE PROPER TIME, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EQUITY FLOWING BACK INTO THE, UH, TO THE TOWN, WHETHER THAT BE IN THE FORM OF A CHECK OR ROLLING IT OVER TO THE NEXT VEHICLE TO MAKE YOUR NEXT VEHICLE'S PAYMENT, YOUR EFFECTIVE ANNUAL BUDGET LOWER.
SO WITH THIS GRAPH INDICATES IT'S JUST YOUR TYPICAL LIFECYCLE PERIOD IN TERMS OF FINANCING, UM, AND UTILIZING THE EQUITY LEASE VERSUS GOING THROUGH CASH IS YOU'RE PAYING $30,000 UP FRONT FOR A VEHICLE, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE RUNNING IT DOWN TO A $0 BALANCE.
YOU'RE RUNNING THAT THING FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
ALL THE OPERATING COSTS THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT, AS THOSE CONTINUE TO GROW THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE VEHICLE WITH THE EQUITY LEASE, IT GIVES YOU A SET TERM, IN WHICH CASE WE'RE GONNA USE THAT AS A TRIGGER TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA SIT DOWN AND EVALUATE, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S A FOUR YEAR TERM, WHETHER OR NOT THIS TERM MAKES SENSE FOR THE REPLACEMENT CYCLE OF THIS VEHICLE.
NOR MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WE'VE SAT DOWN WELL IN ADVANCE TO DETERMINE THAT POINT BEFORE THE VEHICLE EVEN HITS THE ROAD.
SO WE'RE REALLY DETERMINING, OKAY, IS THE MARKET CHANGING TO WHERE WE SHOULD CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE'VE INITIALLY SET THIS UP? MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHERE, UH, WITH WHERE WE INITIALLY KIND OF EVALUATED THE FLEET.
UM, AND WHEN WE GO TO SELL THAT VEHICLE, WE HAVE A, UH, POSITIVE EQUITY GAIN THAT'S GONNA GET BROUGHT BACK INTO THE, UH, INTO THE FLEET.
AND WHAT, WHAT I FIND SO IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS IS THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A CASH FLOW AND THE BUDGETARY BENEFIT, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF WEAR AND TEAR, MILEAGE LIMITATIONS, UM, TERM PENALTIES AND FEES.
NONE OF THOSE THINGS COME INTO THIS.
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YOU DRIVE THE VEHICLES AS MUCH AS YOU NEED TO, YOU USE THEM, HOW YOU NEED TO DENT, SCRATCHES, ACCIDENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN.AND IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO AFFECT THE ACTUAL LEASE OF THE VEHICLE AS IT WOULD WITH YOUR TYPICAL DEALERSHIP LEASE.
SO, AS CHRISTINA MENTIONED, THIS BEING THE PINNACLE OF, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE PARTNERSHIP SEEM TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS HEADING INTO THE 10 YEAR ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER FOR THE TOWN THAT WE'RE GONNA REVIEW, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, THE COMING SLIDES.
SO BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE 10 YEAR ANALYSIS, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE STATE OF THE FLEET BEFORE THE PARTNERSHIP STARTED, AND REALLY THE BIG REASONING BEHIND WHY WE'VE COME TO THE PICTURE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, WHENEVER WE'RE SITTING DOWN WITH, WITH COUNTIES, TOWNS, CITIES, WE DO AN EVALUATION OF WHERE YOU'RE AT TODAY.
UM, SO THAT WAY WE CAN START PUTTING TOGETHER GOALS FOR WHERE WE NEED TO FEED.
UM, LOOKING AT THE TOP HERE AND STARTING FROM THERE AND MOVING DOWN.
UM, AT THE TIME OF PARTNERSHIP, 49% OF YOUR LIGHT MEDIUM DUTY VEHICLES WERE 10 YEARS OR OLDER.
UH, 75% OF 'EM WERE OLDER THAN SIX YEARS.
THE AVERAGE AGE OF A VEHICLE WITHIN YOUR FLEET WAS ACTUALLY A DECADE OLD.
AND THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF TIME BASED OFF OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF ACQUISITION, UH, PERIODS THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST FIVE YEARS OF PURCHASES, UM, IT WAS GONNA TAKE YOU 11 AND A HALF YEARS TO TAKE A VEHICLE INTO YOUR FLEET AND THEN EVENTUALLY CYCLE IT OUT OF YOUR FLEET.
UM, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, OLDER VEHICLES HAVE HIGHER OPERATING COSTS, HIGHER RISK.
UM, SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IS DRIVE THAT 11.4 YEAR NUMBER DOWN TO A MORE SUSTAINABLE TIME PERIOD, UM, THAT HEADING US INTO THE OBJECTIVE.
UM, SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE WITHIN THE ANALYSIS THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IS SHORTEN THAT CYCLE TIME FROM 11.4 YEARS DOWN TO JUST UNDER FOUR.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE MUCH MORE PROACTIVE IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE GETTING RID OF THESE VEHICLES, UM, AND CYCLING THEM OUT AT THE OPTIMAL TIME IN TERMS OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE IN A WAY THAT CAPITALIZES ON BOTH EQUITY AND ALSO LOWERS OUR OPERATING COSTS.
UM, SO WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO IS PROVIDE YOU A LOWER SUSTAINABLE FLEET COST YEAR OVER YEAR.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THAT EQUITY THAT EXISTS WITHIN THOSE VEHICLES TO MAKE THE CAPITAL BUDGETING MUCH MORE SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST YEAR WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO BE MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE YEAR OVER YEAR THAN WE NORMALLY WOULD IN A TYPICAL BUDGET HERE.
UM, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE COMING SLIDES, UM, AND AS WE GET MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH OUR CYCLE, REDUCE THE TIME THAT IT TAKES US TO BRING IN A VEHICLE AND THEN TAKE IT OUT OF OUR FLEET, WE'RE GONNA SEE A DRASTIC REDUCTION IN OPERATING COSTS, MOVING YOUR AVERAGE MONTHLY MAINTENANCE COSTS FROM $54, UM, OR OR DOWN TO $54 FROM 158 ON A MONTHLY BASIS PER VEHICLE.
REDUCE YOUR FUEL SPIN BY 20%, UM, AND THEN UTILIZE THE OPEN-END EQUITY LEASE TO MAKE IT MORE FEASIBLE FROM A BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH THESE REPLACEMENT PLANS, UM, BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU SWITCH TO SLIDE.
UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE IS, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 11.4 YEARS, UM, THERE'S A BIG SAFETY ASPECT THAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT.
UM, AND TAKING A LOOK AT WHERE YOUR FLEET WAS WHEN WE FIRST CAME INTO THE PARTNERSHIP, 20 OF THOSE VEHICLES PREDATED THE ANTILOCK BRAKE STANDARDIZATION.
39 OF THEM PREDATED ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL, AND 74 PREDATED JUST THE BACKUP CAMERA.
UM, FROM NOT ONLY A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DRIVING THOSE VEHICLES, BUT ALSO FROM A RISK EXPOSURE FOR THE TOWN, UH, YOU GUYS ARE SELF-INSURED, UH, AT, UP TO THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MARKER.
SO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS UNDERNEATH THAT IS ENTIRELY COMING OUT OF THE TOWN'S, UM, UH, BUDGET.
SO ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO TRY TO MITIGATE THAT RISK, WHETHER IT BE FROM THE DRIVER'S SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO THE OVERALL RISK EXPOSURE WILL HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT OVERALL TO THE TOWN, NOT ONLY SHORT TERM, BUT ALSO LONG TERM.
UM, AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS PROBABLY WONDER ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, FROM A DUE DILIGENCE STANDPOINT, WE ARE ABLE TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THIS SOURCE.
WELL, UH, WE ARE THE, UH, THE PREFERRED FLEET MANAGEMENT PROVIDER FOR SOURCE.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE PIGGYBACKED OFF THAT LANGUAGE, AS DID ERIE COUNTY HAS TO MOST OF OUR A HUNDRED PLUS GOVERNMENT PARTNERS ACROSS THE STATE.
SO WITH THAT COMES PRE-NEGOTIATED PRICING PLANS AND PARTNERSHIP STRUCTURES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UH, ORGANIZED AND, AND, UM, STRUCTURED KIND OF FOR YOU COMING INTO THIS PARTNERSHIP.
SO REALLY JUST TO REITERATE EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT TYLER WAS SAYING, UM, MY AIM IS TO GET YOU THE RESULTS, RIGHT? UM, SO WE SIT DOWN, WE LOOK AT THINGS REGULARLY, AT LEAST EVERY SIX MONTHS WE'RE SITTING DOWN AND KIND OF HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE GOING, WHAT WE NEED TO PLAN FOR IN THE COMING YEAR.
UM, ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEXT SLIDE, TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP.
HOW DO WE DRIVE THAT COST DOWN? IT'S NOT JUST THE COST OF ACQUIRING NEW VEHICLES, IT'S ALSO HOW DO WE GET THE BEST VALUE FOR THOSE VEHICLES WITHIN THE ACTUAL, LIKE, GOOD LIFE OF, OF ITS VEHICLE, OF, OF THE VEHICLE'S OPERATION ITSELF.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE AIMING TO REDUCE FUEL COSTS.
WE'RE AIMING TO REDUCE YOUR MAINTENANCE SPEND.
WE'RE ULTIMATELY AIMING TO LEVERAGE THOSE OPEN-END EQUITY LEASE AGREEMENTS TO DRIVE YOUR COSTS DOWN.
AND I HAVE COUNTLESS EXAMPLES IF YOU'RE INTERESTED OF HOW WE'VE DONE THAT FOR COUNTIES THAT ARE VERY CLOSE TO YOU, TOWNS THAT ARE VERY CLOSE TO YOU, UM, RIGHT HERE IN THE
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UPSTATE REGION TO HELP DRIVE THEIR COSTS DOWN OVER TIME.UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AIMING TO GO, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SETTING OUR SIGHTS ON FOR PAMPER.
FLIPPING TO THE NEXT SCREEN, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET INTO THE 10 YEAR FLEET ANALYSIS THAT, THAT TYLER PULLED TOGETHER WHEN WE INITIALLY PARTNERED.
SO, YEAH, KIND OF MOVING INTO THE FINANCIAL INS AND OUTS OF THIS, WHY DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR GOVERNMENT ENTITY ACROSS THE STATE, ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO PURSUE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? UM, BECAUSE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WHENEVER WE'RE SITTING DOWN WITH, WITH ENTITIES, A LOT OF TIMES THERE ISN'T NO LONG TERM PLAN.
A LOT OF IT IS YEAR BY YEAR, UH, BUDGET BY BUDGET.
UM, BUT WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS SIT DOWN AND PUT TOGETHER A VERY COHESIVE, VERY PROACTIVE PLAN THAT REALLY MAPS OUT WHAT THIS JOURNEY'S GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR OUR PARTNERS, UM, AND WHAT THE BENEFIT LONG TERM IS GOING TO BE FOR YOU, UM, AS, UH, AS THE YEARS GO BY.
SO, TAKING A LOOK AT THIS ANALYSIS, I'M GONNA START FROM THE TOP DOWN.
I'M GONNA TRY NOT TO GET TOO INTO THE WEEDS ON IT, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'LL, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS AT, AT THE END.
UM, STARTING AT THE TOP, WE START WITH ASSUMPTIONS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE TODAY BASED OFF OF THE WAY THAT WE'RE OPERATING OUR FLEET.
SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE TIME THAT IT TOOK YOU GUYS TO REPLACE THE VEHICLE WAS ABOUT 11 AND A HALF YEARS, UM, BASED OFF OF THE AVERAGE, UH, MAINTENANCE COST OF 20 CENT PER MILE, AND YOUR AVERAGE ANNUAL MILEAGE OF 9,500 MILES, THAT PUTS YOU AT ABOUT $158 PER VEHICLE PER MONTH TO MAINTAIN, KEEP THESE VEHICLES MOVING.
SO THAT'S THE NUMBER WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO DRIVE DOWN.
UM, LOOKING AT FUEL ECONOMY, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT CURRENT FUEL, UH, MILEAGE PER GALLON OF ABOUT 10 MILES A GALLON AFTER TIME.
WHEN WE BUILT THIS ANALYSIS, GAS PRICES WERE MUCH HIGHER AT 4 35.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE WERE, THAT'S HOW WE BUILT THE ANALYSIS.
AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE, IN THE MOMENT, UH, WAS $4 AND 35 CENTS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ACROSS 9,500 MILES A YEAR.
UM, AND AS WE START TO BRING IN NEW VEHICLES, ANY NEW VEHICLE THAT THAT COMES IN AS PROJECTED MAINTENANCE BOSS ON AVERAGE ACROSS YOUR ENTIRE FLEET, THE WHOLE MIX THAT GOES INTO IT, SMALL VEHICLES AND LARGE VEHICLES ALIKE IS $53 AND 69 CENTS PER VEHICLE PER MONTH.
SO WE'VE ALREADY, AS A NEW VEHICLE COMES IN, WE CAN CUT THAT COST INTO A THIRD, UM, IN TERMS OF THE AVERAGE COST THAT KEEPS IT TO, TO KEEP A VEHICLE ON THE ROAD.
AND THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF TIME WE'RE GONNA TAKE TO CYCLE A VEHICLE, UH, BASED OFF OF THE ENTIRE MIX OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES, IS JUST A LITTLE UNDER FOUR YEAR.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, THE INSIGHTS INTO THE BASELINE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT WE'RE GOING BE COMPARING FUTURE YEARS AGAINST IN TERMS OF HOW YOU'RE OPERATING TODAY VERSUS WHAT EACH NEW VEHICLE IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT THOUGH.
UM, SO KIND OF MOVING INTO THAT GOLDEN LINE, UM, THIS IS REALLY WHERE IT STARTS TO GET, UH, MACRO RATHER THAN MICRO.
LOOKING AT YOUR AVERAGE PURCHASES OF NINE VEHICLES A YEAR, THE WAY THAT WE GOT YOUR CYCLE OF THAT 11 AND A HALF YEARS IS JUST DIVIDING YOUR FLEET SIZE BY HOW MANY YOU'RE BUYING PER YEAR, WHICH GIVES US THAT 11 AND A HALF.
UM, IF WE'RE BUYING A NINE, NINE VEHICLES A YEAR, OUR AVERAGE PURCHASES IN 2023, UH, MODEL YEAR VALUES WAS $362,000 IN CAPITAL BUDGET THAT NEEDED TO BE ALLOCATED IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
MEANWHILE, WE'RE SPENDING $195,000 MAINTENANCE A YEAR OF $425,000 IN FUEL, GIVING US A TOTAL FLEET BUDGET OF JUST A HUNDRED A MILLION DOLLARS IN 984,000.
WELL, WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? WE WANNA BE ABLE TO DRIVE OUR FLEET AGE DOWN, WE WANNA DRIVE DOWN OUR OPERATING COSTS, WE WANNA LEVERAGE EQUITY WITH MY FLEET TO MAKE IT MORE FEASIBLE TO DO IT.
WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE OPEN INEQUITY LEASE AS WELL IF THE BUDGETARILY MAKE IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE.
SO IN THAT FIRST YEAR, WE RECOMMENDED A REPLACEMENT OF 50 VEHICLES.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT LEASE COST OF 488,000, UM, WITHIN THAT FIRST YEAR, WE SELL 50 VEHICLES.
THOSE AVERAGE VEHICLE AGE OR AVERAGE VEHICLE, UM, EQUITY COMING IS $158,000 FOR ALL OF THOSE NEW VEHICLES.
LOWER MAINTENANCE, $195,000 IN THAT FIRST YEAR DROPS DOWN TO 1 32 FUEL DROPS FROM 4 25 TO 3 84.
OUR TOTAL FLEET BUDGET DROPS FROM 9 84 DOWN TO 8 47, GIVING US A FIRST YEAR CASH SAVINGS OF $136,000.
AND YOU CAN SEE AS THE PLAN CONTINUES ON, WE CONTINUE TO SEE SAVINGS WITH SOME UPSWINGS, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE UPSWINGS IN ANY PARTICULAR BUDGET HERE.
UM, ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE HERE IS FULL SCALE FROM, FROM START TO FINISH OVER THIS 10 YEAR PERIOD OF AN OVERALL SAVINGS OPPORTUNITY, THREE FOUR OF A MILLION DOLLARS WHILE OPERATING A FLEET THAT DOESN'T CYCLE 11 AND A HALF YEARS RATHER CYCLE AT FOUR YEARS, GIVING US NEWER VEHICLES, SAFER VEHICLES, MORE EFFICIENT VEHICLES, MORE PROACTIVE PLANS THAT WE, ESPECIALLY AS SUSTAINABILITY GOALS COMES INTO PLAY, WE CAN BE MORE PROACTIVE WITH THOSE GOALS.
IT GIVES US A TON MORE FLEXIBILITY AS WELL AS MITIGATING, UH, THE RISK THAT WE'RE EXPOSING OURSELVES TO.
THE THE BENEFITS ARE, ARE, ARE ABUNDANT, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S JUST A MORE RESPONSIBLE WAY TO RUN THE FLEET.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE PROJECTED, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE PUT INTO PLAY.
UM, AND CHRISTINA'S GONNA KINDA WALK THROUGH KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY BASED OFF OF, UH, SHIP PARTNERSHIP.
YEAH, AND I WOULD JUST TAG ON TO SAY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE FIGURES, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL ULTIMATELY AT THE BEGINNING IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH, YOU KNOW, 50 VEHICLES THE FIRST YEAR AND LET'S PULL 50 VEHICLES OUT.
YOU CAN SEE THERE RIGHT WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR, 2023 IN THAT, THAT GREEN BOX ON THE BOTTOM, WE ANTICIPATED THE SALE FROM THOSE 50 VEHICLES BEING ROUGHLY AROUND 158,000.
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UM, THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY CONSERVATIVE VALUE, UM, FOR 50 VEHICLES.AND WE AIM TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH THIS ANALYSIS BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T WANNA OVERSHOOT OUR WORTH.
WE KNOW THE WORTH OF THIS PROGRAM WHEN WE APPLY IT CORRECTLY.
UM, AND CERTAINLY TO THIS POINT, TOWN OF HAMBURG IS DIP DIPPING THEIR TOE IN THE WATER WITH, WITH THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.
BUT UP TO THIS POINT, WE SOLD FIVE VEHICLES AND THE RETURN HAS BEEN AROUND $24,000 FOR JUST THE SALE OF THOSE FIVE VEHICLES.
SO AGAIN, FOR US TO SAVE 50 IS GONNA BE 158,000 VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE ON THE ACTUAL RESALE, UM, THAT'S PROBABLY THERE WITHIN YOUR FLEET AND, AND ABLE TO ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE A LOWER COST LONG TERM FOR THE SPEND THAT YOU WOULD HAVE INCURRED FROM THIS PROGRAM.
UM, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THOUGH, WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP REVIEW TO DATE.
SO WE ENTERED INTO OUR PARTNERSHIP OCTOBER 25TH, 2022.
IN 2023, WE ADDED 19 VEHICLES TO THE FLEET.
WE IMPROVED THE MODEL YEAR ACROSS YOUR FLEET FROM 2013 TO 2016.
SO SLOW STEADY STRIDES IN THE, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE IMPROVED THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE FLEET FROM 10.1 TO 7.4 YEARS, UM, WHICH IS FANTASTIC.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO SELL FIVE VEHICLES FOR YOU ALL, UM, TOTAL OF RETURN VIA CHECK OF $24,450.
SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SELLING, UM, THREE MORE VEHICLES RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IN THE PLAN FOR NEXT STEPS AND WHERE WE'RE GOING, WE HAVE THREE VEHICLES THAT ARE ON ORDER RIGHT NOW FOR HIGHWAY DPW.
UM, WE'RE STARTING THE PLANNING ULTIMATELY FOR BUILDING IN GROUNDS 2025 BUDGET.
MY JOB AS YOUR CLIENT STRATEGY MANAGER IS TO SIT DOWN TO GET IN THE WEEDS WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE OPERATING THE FLEETS DAY AFTER DAY TO GET OUR TRUE OPINION OF WHAT ARE THE NEEDS, HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK FOR YOU, FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I NEED THEM AS MUCH AS, AS ESSENTIALLY I WANNA BE NEEDED, RIGHT?
UM, BUT I, I NEED THEM TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND TO REALLY MAKE THIS WORK.
UM, OUR GOAL IS TO HELP IN REDUCING THE TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP.
OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO START OFF WITH 50 VEHICLES, UM, TO SELL 50 VEHICLES IN YEAR.
ONE, AN AGGRESSIVE PLAN FOR SURE.
UM, AND A PLAN THAT WAS MET WITH A LOT OF CHALLENGES BECAUSE OF THE INDUSTRY THAT WE'RE IN, THE MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE KIND OF BEING THROWN OUR WAY.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THERE IS A SILVER LINING.
WE ARE SEEING THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY NORMALIZE.
UM, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO SEEING PLANNING GOING A LOT SMOOTHER AS WE ENTER INTO 2025 PLANNING.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING RIGHT NOW TO IMPLEMENT TELEMATICS SERVICES ON VEHICLES, MAINTENANCE SOLUTIONS ON VEHICLES VEHICLE, AND ULTIMATELY TO DRIVE DOWN YOUR TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE GOING, UM, AND, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
WHAT, UM, WHAT WAS THE COST OF THOSE 19 VEHICLES THEN? SO OVER THE FIRST YEAR, YOU ALL SPENT $188,000 ON THE LEASES.
THEY WEREN'T ALL INTEGRATED IN YOUR FLEET.
IN YEAR ONE, I COULD GET YOU MORE DATA DRILLED DOWN SPECIFICALLY TO THE VEHICLES, BUT THAT WAS YOUR OVERALL LEASE SPEND ALONE.
IS THAT FOR THE 19 VEHICLES OR FOR WHAT? IT WAS FOR 19 VEHICLES, BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO REMEMBER THEY WEREN'T ALL IN SERVICE JANUARY 1ST, 2023.
SO HOW MANY CARS DO WE HAVE? DO YOU KNOW THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TELE FLEET? YOU HAVE 103 VEHICLES, 103 VEHICLES.
AND, UM, WHAT, I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT, I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS, WHAT DO THOSE 103 VEHICLES CONSIST OF? UM, SO IT'S MADE UP OF ALL OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS, SO IT'S MADE UP OF YOUR HIGHWAY, YOUR POLICE VEHICLES, YOUR BUILDING AND GROUNDS.
UM, EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT WE COULD GET A FLEET LIST FOR, WE ADDED TO OUR, OUR DATABASE.
AND HOW MANY HAVE YOU SAID JUST 19? IS THAT WHAT, 19 TODAY? BEST POINT.
WHAT'S THE AVERAGE MILEAGE OF THE, OF THE FLEET, DO YOU KNOW? UM, AT ANY ONE POINT IN TIME.
I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ON THAT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING UP ABOUT NINE AND A HALF THOUSAND PER YEAR.
AT AN AN AVERAGE FLEET AGE OF 10 YEARS.
SO WE'LL JUST ESTIMATE IT AROUND 90 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND ACROSS THE FLEET.
BUT YOU, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT DATA THAT'S BEING TRACKED INTERNALLY WHEN WE HAD PARTNERSHIP.
I, IT, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY LOOK, I MEAN, I GET IT LIKE CARS AGE, BUT ALSO IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DRIVING A CAR 5,000 MILES OR 50,000 MILES IN A YEAR.
AND, UH, WHAT, UM, WHAT'S THE, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE AVERAGE AGE, WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MEDIAN AGE OF THE VEHICLES ARE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MEDIAN AGE ARE.
NO, I COULD GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION, NO PROBLEM.
OKAY, SO HOW MANY CARS WAS IT AGAIN? 103.
AND DOES THIS INCLUDE PLACE? YES.
THAT POLICE AND IT DOES PLAN WOULD INCLUDE POLICE.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS HAD TO DO WITH THE VARIANT, UM, MILEAGE WHERE YOU HAVE SOME CARS THAT I'M SURE ARE ACCRUING A LOT MORE MILEAGE IN A YEAR.
AND IS THERE A DIFFERENT PLAN FOR THEM? YOU
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WOULDN'T WANNA APPLY THE SAME PLAN FOR EACH? UM, I KNOW EVEN IN THE PAST WE RAISED THE QUESTION WHETHER THERE WERE SOME, UM, DEPARTMENTS, SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT WE MIGHT BE BETTER TO EVEN EXPLORE DOING A MILEAGE PROGRAM WITH THEM RATHER THAN HAVING THE COST OF A A VEHICLE.ALSO, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING, UM, JUST AVAILABILITY OF VEHICLES LIKE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE WANT PARTICULAR VEHICLES, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THOSE PARTICULAR VEHICLES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO GO ON WITH THAT, UM, THE SPECIAL FEATURES THAT ARE NEEDED, WHETHER IT'S THE MIRRORS FOR BNG, WHETHER IT'S THE EQUIPMENT IN THE POLICE CARS, I MEAN THAT I KNOW IS ALWAYS VERY SIGNIFICANT AND WE WOULDN'T WANNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, REDOING THAT AT, AT A QUICKER PACE.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT? HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE LEASE WITH YOU FOR ONE THING AND UM, LIKE MIRRORS ON A B AND G VEHICLE AND THEN THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE, OR THE PARTICULAR CAR THAT WE WANT IS NOT NOT AVAILABLE.
AND THEN ALSO IF YOU COULD GO OVER MAINTENANCE TIRES, OIL BRAKES, ALL OF THAT, WHAT'S INCLUDED, WHAT'S NOT, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL THEN A PARTICULAR, UH, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE THAT WE HAVE TO INCUR AND WE DO HAVE MECHANICS, ET CETERA AVAILABLE.
UM, YOU ASKED SO MANY GOOD QUESTIONS THERE.
I'M SORRY I STARTED JUST NO, THAT'S OKAY.
THERE'S SO MUCH I WANNA SAY TO, TO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO FIRST YOU ASKED ABOUT THE POLICE VEHICLES AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THEY NEED TO BE ON DIFFERENT TERMS. UM, I OVERSEE LARGE POLICE FLEETS FOR A FEW COUNTIES.
UM, AND IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT I HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLES WE'RE OPERATING, RIGHT? THERE'S HIGHWAY, THERE'S HIGH MILEAGE PATROL THAT WE SET UP ONE WAY, THERE'S DETECTIVE VEHICLES THAT WE SET UP ANOTHER WAY.
UM, YOU NAME IT, I'VE DONE 'EM ALL, UM,
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, YES, WE WOULD WANNA SET UP A PLAN THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE DEPARTMENT, SPECIFIC TO THE USE OF THE VEHICLE.
UM, SECONDARILY, AS FAR AS ACCESS TO VEHICLES, IT IS IMPROVING AND IMPROVING IMMENSELY.
NOT ONLY IS IT IMPROVING, BUT ALTHOUGH WE HIT A LOT OF BUMPS IN THE ROAD ACROSS THE, THE BOARD, UM, BY NUMEROUS TOWNSHIPS, NUMEROUS GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR OUR CUSTOMERS WHEN THEY WERE LEFT OUT IN NO MAN'S LAND DURING A TIME THAT THERE WEREN'T VEHICLES AVAILABLE.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS I TOOK FROM FOLKS WHO WERE STILL USING THE MINI BID SYSTEM AND JUST GETTING ABSOLUTELY ZERO RESPONSE TO EVEN GET A VEHICLE.
UM, SO WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO IN SCENARIOS WHERE THERE WERE NOT VEHICLES AVAILABLE IS PIVOT TO ALTERNATIVES.
WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO ANY MAKE MODEL OR MANUFACTURER.
SO WHEN I SIT DOWN WITH YOU ALL IN THE COMING MONTHS AND WE REVIEW OPTIONS FOR YOUR DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THEM, I WOULD SIT DOWN, DOWN WITH SIDE BY SIDE MAKE AND MODEL COMPARISONS OF THIS IS THE FOURTH POLICE UTILITY INTERCEPTOR.
THIS IS THE DODGE DURANGO PURSUIT, THIS IS THE TAHOE KPV, THESE ARE THE TIMELINES ASSOCIATED WITH 'EM.
THESE ARE THE COSTS OF OPERATING 'EM AT THE MILEAGE THAT YOU WANT TO, TO OPERATE THEM AT.
AND THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED TERM FOR THOSE VEHICLES.
SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO SETTING THE RIGHT TERMS, SETTING THE, THE RIGHT AGREEMENT INTO PLACE.
UM, BUT THE HUGE VALUE IS ONCE WE SET THAT TERM IN PLACE AND WE LOCK IT IN AND YOU'RE OPERATING THOSE VEHICLES, A COUPLE YEARS GO BY AND I'M ABLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OF, HEY, IT'S A GREAT TIME TO MAXIMIZE RESALE ON THOSE VEHICLES.
LET'S GET THE VEHICLES ON ORDER TO REPLACE 'EM AND WHEN THOSE VEHICLES LAND, LET'S GET THESE OUT OF YOUR FLEET SO WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON THE RESALE AND PUT THAT MONEY BACK INTO YOUR TOWN.
THAT HAS BEEN A HUGE GAME CHANGER FOR FLEETS THAT WE DO BUSINESS WITH BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY CAPTURING THAT RESALE THAT'S AVAILABLE WITHIN THE VEHICLES.
UM, YOU HAD TOUCHED ON ANOTHER ITEM AT THE END THERE, UH, EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY LIKE POLICE ARE REUSING IT, BUT HOW ARE WE OPENING THEM? YEAH, SO AS FAR AS EQUIPMENT IS CONCERNED, UM, WHENEVER WE CAN TRANSFER EQUIPMENT, WE WILL.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT YOUR FOLKS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE VERY HANDS ON WITH AFTERMARKET AND THAT'S FINE BY ME.
IF WE WANNA DO THE AFTERMARKET UPFIT AT A SHOP THAT'S HERE LOCALLY, WE WILL WORK WITH ANYONE LOCALLY.
WE'RE COMPLETELY FLEXIBLE WITH WHO WE DO BUSINESS WITH.
UM, SO I KNOW THEY HAVE PREFERRED LOCATIONS THAT WE'LL YOU WE'LL UTILIZE.
UM, BUT WE'LL GET YOUR VEHICLES UP THAT HOWEVER YOU NEED THEM AS FAR AS YOUR REQUESTED QUESTION ON MIRRORS.
AND YOU KNOW, THE ITEM THAT YOU TOUCHED ON WITH BUILDING AND GROUNDS, WE DID RUN INTO THAT.
UM, SO WE HAD ORDERED A BATCH OF VEHICLES FACTORY ORDER.
THERE WAS A SPEC THAT WASN'T CHECKED OFF FOR MIRRORS ON A VEHICLE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHECKED OFF.
IT WOULD'VE ADDED ROUGHLY LIKE $700 TO THE FACTORY ORDER PRICE.
BEN HAD LET ME KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS VEHICLE WOULDN'T HAVE THE MIRRORS WE WANT, WE REALLY NEED TO TOW MIRRORS.
WE STARTED TO DO A SEARCH FOR THE MIRRORS.
HE ACTUALLY LOCATED A DEALER THAT COULD FIND THE MIRRORS.
WE ENDED UP FUNDING THE MIRRORS THROUGH, THROUGH, SO I PAID FOR THE, THE MIRRORS THROUGH OUR, ACTUALLY I THINK BEN MIGHT HAVE PAID, BUT, UM, WE TOOK 50% OF THE COST ON THAT, UM, OF GETTING THOSE UPFITTED PROPERLY TO WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE REALIZED THIS IS A FACTORY
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ORDER.UM, WE REALIZED OUR ERROR IN JUDGMENT THERE, BUT THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AS A PARTNER, WE'RE WILLING TO DO.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THINGS IN THE GRAND SCHEME AND SAY, HEY, LIKE, WHERE'S OUR, WHERE'S OUR PIECE IN THIS? AND, AND CERTAINLY ADMIT MISTAKES WHEN WE MAKE THEM.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE IT, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF ROUNDS OF VEHICLES, THERE'S ALWAYS LITTLE THINGS THAT POP UP HERE AND THERE.
WE START TO REALIZE THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
THIS IS A PREFERENCE, AND WE SET PLANS IN PLACE SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE TIRES MAINTENANCE OR THINGS LIKE THAT AGAIN? YEP.
SO, UM, WE ARE, UM, CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF INTEGRATING MAINTENANCE INTO DOOR FLEETS.
UM, WHAT THAT MEANS, AND SPECIFICALLY THE GROUP THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS BUILDING AND GROUNDS, UM, BUILDING AND GROUNDS.
UM, THEY'RE THE MAINTENANCE TECHS.
THEY MET WITH ME, UM, AND WE KIND OF SAT DOWN AND GAVE THEM ACCESS TO THE SOFTWARE THAT'S AVAILABLE.
THE SOFTWARE FOR TRACKING IS ESSENTIALLY, IT'S A WEB-BASED SOFTWARE.
THEY LOG IN, THEY ENTER THE MILEAGE, THEY ENTER WHATEVER SERVICE THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, THEY COMPLETED ON THE VEHICLE IN THEIR GARAGE.
AND IT FLOWS DIRECTLY INTO MY DATABASE.
WHAT'S LOVELY ABOUT THAT IS I HAVE ACCURATE MILEAGE TO, TO YOUR POINT, I GET ACCURATE MILEAGE ON THE FLEET.
I GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE TYPE OF WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ON THE VEHICLES.
BUT THE ADDED BENEFIT IS THAT IF THE VEHICLE NEEDS TO GO TO A DEALER OR TO ANOTHER VENDOR FOR ANY SORT OF UPFIT, WE CAN OVERSEE THE REPAIR AND HELP TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE FROM A SC CERTIFIED TAX.
ON THE REPAIR SPECIFICALLY, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS THOUGH, DOES THAT INC INCLUDE, I MEAN, I, AND MAYBE I MISSED, MAYBE UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION IS, DO THE LEASE CONTRACTS PROVIDE FOR MAINTENANCE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S INCUMBENT UPON THE TOWN? YEAH, IT DOES.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE MAINTENANCE.
SORRY IF I MISSED, SO NO, NO, I THINK YOU'RE, THE WAY YOU ANSWERED WAS YOU CAN TRACK WHAT THE MAINTENANCE IS, BUT YES, THE MAINTENANCE IS, IS ON THE TOWN.
I THINK THAT, SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT, UM, WHAT GENERALLY ARE THE TERMS OF THE, THE LEASE CONTRACT? UM, WITH, YOU MEAN LIKE AS FAR AS MONTHS OR, AND GENERALLY OVERALL, MEANING WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S EQUITY, LIKE WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE TERMS? I MEAN, MAYBE YOU COULD SEND ME, OR I COULD ASK FOR A LEGAL DEPARTMENT, BUT WHAT, WHAT ARE THE TERMS OF THE LEASE? UM, SO I CAN SEND YOU A CONTRACT? ABSOLUTELY.
YOU SAID IT'S BASED ON YEARS AND THERE'S EQUITY.
LIKE WHAT IS GENERALLY LIKE THE 30, THE ONE MINUTE ELEVATOR SPEECH ON WHAT YOUR TERMS ARE? OKAY.
SO, UM, LET'S JUST SAY A STANDARD LEASE WOULD BE 48 MONTHS, 25,000 MILES.
RIGHT? UM, YOU ARE NOT NECESSARILY HELD TO OPERATING THAT VEHICLE FOR 48 MONTHS, 25,000 MILES.
IF WE EVALUATE THE VEHICLE AND AT 24 MONTHS WE SAY IT'S IN A POSITIVE EQUITY POSITION AND YOU CAN PULL MONEY OUT OF THAT VEHICLE FOR, YOU KNOW, GETTING A NEW VEHICLE INTO FLEET, THAT'S A VERY LIKELY SCENARIO.
SO IT'S BASED ON MILEAGE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE, THE REASON THAT I MEET WITH THE FOLKS AT THE TOWN AT LEAST ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT VEHICLES MAKE SENSE TO REPLACE.
SO I'LL ASK FOR MILEAGE, WE'LL PUT MARKET VALUES TO YOUR VEHICLES.
WELL, MY QUESTION IS LIKE, HOW IS IT, IS IT PER MILE OR WHAT'S THE, IT'S SHOWN TO THE LEASE.
SO YEAH, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL PROBABLY PROJECT OUT THAT MILEAGE, WHETHER IT'S BASED OFF ACTUAL DATA THAT'S COMING FROM THE FLEET OR BASED OFF OF FEEDBACK THAT'S COMING FROM THAT RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AT THAT POINT, WE WILL SET THE RIGHT DEPRECIATION SCHEDULE BASED OFF OF THE, WHAT ARE WE PAID? WE PAID BY THE MILEAGE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU NO, YOU PAID BASED OFF OF A, A DEPRECIATION PERCENTAGE ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND THAT'S BASED OFF OF WHEN WE'VE PROJECT THE BEST TIME TO BE REPLACING THIS VEHICLE IS AND HOW WE NEED TO STRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE IN A POSITIVE EQUITY POSITION AT, UH, A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, IDEALLY WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO, AND TO BE IN A VERY STRONG EQUITY POSITION BY THE TIME THAT IT'S TIME TO CYCLE IT OUT.
UM, IF WE GET THAT MILEAGE WRONG AND WE'RE DEPRECIATING THAT VEHICLE WRONG, WE WIND UP UPSIDE DOWN ON A VEHICLE OR WE WIND UP PAYING MORE IN DEPRECIATION IN TERMS OF ANNUAL BUDGET THAN WE NEED TO BE WITH A VEHICLE THAT'S NOT GOING AS FAR AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE, WHICH AFFECTS, UH, A CERTAIN DEPARTMENT'S OVERALL ABILITY TO DISPERSE CAPITAL HOWEVER IT'S NEEDS.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ACCURATE.
CAN WE GET, THIS IS THE PROJECTED SHEET.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATED SHEET OF WHAT IT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON RIGHT NOW? 'CAUSE 2023 HAD US LEASING 50.
AND JUST BASED ON A LAW OF AVERAGES, WE'RE ALREADY OVER WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AVERAGED OUT TO DO ON FOUR VEHICLE OR 19 VEHICLES.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO I JUST FOR PLANNING PER PURPOSES, LONG TERM, I WANNA KNOW CLEARLY IT'S GONNA CHANGE HOW THINGS WORK OUT.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA WORK OUT AS.
DO YOU KNOW IF, WAS THERE A BID PROCESS DONE? OR WERE YOU JUST NO.
SO MEANING THERE'S, YOU HAVE COMPETITORS, RIGHT? LIKE HOW IS THIS DONE? IS IT DONE FOR COMPETITIVE BIDS OR DONE THROUGH SOURCE? WELL, MM-HMM
UM, THEY'RE A, UH, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING ORGANIZATION OR COLLECTIVE PURCHASING ORGANIZATION, I SHOULD SAY, UM, BASED OUTTA MINNESOTA.
BUT YEAH, IT'S USED BY GOVERNMENT ENTITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
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UM, YOU CAN THROW A ROCKET, HIT A TOWN, CITY, UH, COUNTY THAT UTILIZES THEM FOR PURCHASING AND FOR ACQUISITIONS, UH, TO HELP EXPEDITE THAT BID PROCESS.UM, KNOWING THAT THERE'S ALREADY A BEST VALUE AVAILABLE OUT THERE AS WELL AS PRICING THAT'S ALREADY SET IN PLACE TO, SO IT WAS DONE THROUGH A THIRD PARTY IS WHAT IT WAS.
IT WASN'T PUT UP FOR BID TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? CORRECT.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY SORT OF LIKE, IN A RECOGNIZED EXCEPTION TO BIDDING BECAUSE IT'S A, A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH TO, TO RENDER THE, WHAT IS THE CONCEPT AND APPROACH OF THE BIDDING UNDER GML 1 0 3, WHICH IS TO GIVE, PROVIDE THE BEST OR LOWEST, UM, NUMBER FIGURE FOR THE VALUE GETTING.
SOMETIMES THERE'S VALUE CHARACTERISTICS ADDED IN, BUT TYPICALLY THE GENERAL RUBRIC WHEN YOU START, UNLESS YOU, OR SORRY, UNLESS YOU, UH, IN ENACT A BEST VALUE BIDDING APPROACH, WHICH ACTUALLY AMBER DID A FEW YEARS AGO SURE.
ALSO IS TO USE THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE AND RESPONSIVE BID.
I, I WASN'T ATTEMPTING TO IMPLY THAT IT VIOLATED OH, NO, NO, THAT SHOULD I JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS PUT UP FOR THE BID.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE SOURCE WELL NAME IS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S RECOGNIZED MUNICIPAL COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT THAT RECOGNIZED.
AND SO REALLY THE SOURCE WAS, IN SOME RESPECTS, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE HAVE STATE CONTRACT.
IT'S ALREADY APPROVED AND IT'S GONE THROUGH A ING AND BIDDING PROCESS THAT'S ESTABLISHED A WHOLE NUMBER OF QUALIFIED PEOPLE ON FEDERAL.
SO I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE TIME FOR THAT? SURE.
SHOULD WE READ THAT? SO, UH, DOVETAILING THE LAST QUESTION.
YOU WERE STARTING TO EXPLORE THE, UH, THE HOW THE, UH, LEASE PROGRAM AND THE PAYMENTS AND THE POOL OF SOME EQUITY.
I I I ASSUME IT'S NOT LIKE A CALCULATION PURPOSE, IT'S MORE THAT YOU JUST, THE, THE FACT THAT MAYBE YOU'RE COMPARING IT A CERTAIN AGE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE FOUND VERY CLOSELY.
WE MIGHT BE LIGHT ON MILEAGE OR OTHER USE OF THE VEHICLE.
SO THEREFORE THE DEPRECIATION OR RESALE VALUE IS BENEFICIAL.
YOU TURN THE CAR AROUND AND WE THEN AS WHERE WE'VE WEAK THAT EQUITY.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A, A SLIDING SCALE OR A FORMULA CALCULATION THAT YOU AUTOMATICALLY USE AS YOU TRACK OUR VEHICLES.
JUST LIKE I'M SAYING, IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC, BUT YES, YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED, HEY, WE'RE WATCHING THE THING VERY CLOSELY.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, AND IT CAN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN, BUT WE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND THE VEHICLE AT THE RIGHT TIME.
'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW HOW IT NECESSARILY, AND YOU HAVE A IDEA FROM THIS HISTORICAL STATISTICS AT THAT THIS TYPE OF VEHICLE, THIS TYPE BE USED IN THIS DEPARTMENT ACCOUNT WOULD FOLLOW A CERTAIN PATTERN, BUT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.
SO, AND TO YOUR POINT, IN THE INSTANCES WHERE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY RECENTLY, THERE HAVE BEEN KIND OF HAPPENINGS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM HERE, WHERE IT'S A SHORTER CYCLE OR A LONGER CYCLE.
AND REALLY WHAT THIS PROGRAM GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO DO AND KIND OF MAINTAIN IS THE FLEXIBILITY OF REPLACING THE VEHICLE WHEN IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
SO IF WE GET TO THAT TERM AND SAY OUR PROJECTIONS WERE OFF DUTY MARKET CHANGE, UM, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXTEND THOSE LEASES OUT, UM, AND CONTINUE TO OPERATE THEM.
UM, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A SET AND FORGET IT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEING SHOEHORNED INTO A CERTAIN PLAN.
WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND DATA AND, UM, WHAT THE INDUSTRY IS TELLING US.
SO YOU GUYS MAKE DEAL DECISION.
THAT MEANS YOU CAN ADJUST OUR MODEL AS WE GO.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T ADJUST THE MODEL, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU'RE STUCK WITH ONE THAT'S NOT REALLY SERVING EITHER YOU OR US, THAT AS WELL AS LIKE RIGHT, EXACTLY.
BUT ARE WE BASING IT ON LIKE A FIVE YEAR LEASE OR FOUR YEAR LEASE, THREE YEAR LEASE OR SOMETHING TO THAT NATURE? YEAH.
IT, IT TRULY DEPENDS ON THE USE OF THE VEHICLE, BUT YES TO, TO THE EFFECT OF JUST MAKING SURE THAT, TO HIS POINT, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT REGULARLY.
AND SO THEY DO THEIR ANNUAL INSPECTION, THEY SHOOT YOU THE STATISTICS AND MY ENGINE.
WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO A PLACE OF IS WATCHING THOSE STATISTICS LIVE, UH, AND THAT'S THROUGH THE, THE TELEMATICS AND GEOTAB.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACCURATE MILEAGE FLOWING DIRECTLY THROUGH, UM, STARTING WITH THIS, A COUPLE OF YOUR DEPARTMENTS TRICKLING ON.
SO IT WILL BE, UM, IT'LL BE GREAT TO SEE THAT KIND OF GO LIVE.
AND JUST, JUST FOR FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, I MEAN I, I THINK WE'RE ALL CLOSE TO THE SAME PAGE.
WHEN WE TAKE A FOUR YEAR LEASE ON A VEHICLE AND WE PAY ON THAT VEHICLE FOR FOUR YEARS, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT FOUR YEARS, WE OWN THAT VEHICLE FREE AND CLEAR.
WE COULD SIT ON IT FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, WE COULD SELL IT IMMEDIATELY.
WE CAN WAIT A COUPLE YEARS, BUT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE LEASE PERIOD, WE RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE VEHICLE.
IT IS YOUR DECISION TO BE MADE.
IT'S US WHO WAS SITTING BEFORE YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF, HEY, IF YOU DO DECIDE TO CYCLE THIS OUT THE WAY THAT WE, WE DO THIS IS WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE.
HOW WE KIND OF KEEP IT MOVING.
SO GOING ON THE FOUR YEAR LEASE MM-HMM
I MEAN IF, IF YOU DETERMINE D TURN IT IN AT THREE YEARS, IS THERE ANY LOSS FOR THAT LAST YEAR? UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IF YOU SAY, OKAY, IT'S A FOUR YEAR LEASE, WE TURN IT IN THREE YEARS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE MILEAGE WE COULD GET A BETTER DEAL SO WE'RE NOT LOSING OR BEING HELD LIABLE FOR THAT LAST YEAR.
SO THE WAY THAT, WHAT WE WOULD ALWAYS WANNA DO IS MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN A POSITIVE, POSITIVE EQUITY POSITION, RIGHT? SO LIKE IF YOU'RE A YEAR INTO A LEASE, IT COULD BE IN A NEGATIVE EQUITY POSITION, WHICH MEANS THERE'S GONNA BE A BALANCE OF IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT HOLDING ITS NECESSARILY,
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IT'S IT'S, YOU HAVE A REDUCED BOOK VALUE THAT YOU'RE PAYING DOWN JUST LIKE WITH ANY VEHICLE THAT YOU, UM, ARE ESSENTIALLY FINANCING PERSONALLY.UM, SO YOUR QUESTION THANKS, THANKS GUYS.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WE'RE RUNNING UH, ABOUT 20 MINUTES BEHIND SCHEDULE.
UH, FOLKS THAT ARE HERE FOR THE SEVEN O'CLOCK BOARD MEETING, UH, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA MISS THAT MARK BY ABOUT 20 MINUTES OR SO.
UM, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS UH, MR. HOPKINS, UH, TO DISCUSS A MIXED USE PROJECT AT SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD ROGERS ROAD TO PROVIDE THE MEMBERS OF BOARD.
YEAH, IF YOU WANNA TAKE OUT THE LETTER, BE BRIEF, HOPEFULLY REACH, SO GOOD EVENING.
ALSO WITH ME IS DAVE BURKE OF DATA DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE HERE IN CONNECTION WITH ONE QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO PRESENT TO THIS BOARD RELATIVE TO A PROPOSED MIXED USE PROJECT THAT WILL BE LOCATED ON SOUTHWESTERN HERE.
AND ROGERS, JUST TO ACCLIMATE EVERYONE DIRECTLY ADJACENT IS THE PEOPLE INC PROJECT.
IT'S FINALLY GOTTEN FUNDING AND IS GOING FORWARD, WHICH I THINK WILL BE A WELCOME ADDITION IN TERMS OF WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AND THEN ON THIS SIDE OF THE SITE IS THE EAGLE RIDGE PROJECT, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THIS SITE IS ZONED PUD, IT'S BEEN ZONED PUD SINCE NINETEEN NINETEEN EIGHTY EIGHT BY A PREDECESSOR TOWN BORN.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THERE IS TWO MIXED USE BUILDINGS I THINK WILL BE SOMEWHAT NOVEL IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
UM, BUILDING THEM UP CLOSER TO THE STREET, PUTTING PARKING IN THE REAR ING.
IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND ALONG THE BACK.
AND WE THINK NOW THAT THIS OVERALL PUD IS GETTING SOME MOMENTUM THAT WILL BE ABLE TO FILL THIS PROJECT, INCLUDING THE FIRST FLOOR RETAIL SPACE.
AND THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO THIS BOARD PERTAINS TO THE PUD ZONING PROCESS, WHICH MANY OF YOU HAVE WORKED WITH IN THE PAST AND WHETHER OR NOT WE ACTUALLY NEED TO AMEND THE PUD OR DOES THIS PROJECT ONLY REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD? AND I DON'T WANNA MINIMIZE THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS, THAT'S PUBLIC HEARINGS PLAN ENGINEER PLANS AND ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXHIBITS TO THE LETTER THAT I SUBMITTED, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS PREVIOUS PLANS PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1988.
BUT THE MOST CURRENT PLANS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FIND WERE PREPARED IN 2002 AND 2003.
AND WHAT WAS SHOWN AT THAT TIME, AS A RESULT OF A SERIES OF PLANS WAS A MIXED USE BUILDING, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHAT WAS PROPOSING AT ONE POINT.
THERE WAS A CONVENIENCE STORE, IT WAS ALSO A CONVENIENCE STORE AT THE GAS STATION, WHICH I THINK EVERYONE CAN AGREE PROBABLY IN 2024 WOULD NOT BE VIEWED FAVORABLY THERE.
SPECIALTY RETAIL BUILDING AND AGAIN ANOTHER MIXED USE BUILDING.
IF YOU LOOK AT EXHIBIT FOUR, THAT'S ACTUALLY A COLOR RENDERING THAT WAS PREPARED BACK THEN 21 OR 22 YEARS AGO SHOWING THE MIXED USE BUILDING THAT WAS ENVISIONED AT THAT TIME.
IT WAS ACTUALLY HAS ITS TIME BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY MIXED USE ANYWHERE IN WEST NEWARK AT THAT TIME.
WE THINK WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS PREFERABLE COMPARED TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE SHOWN THERE BEFORE AGAIN GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE MIXED USE, BUT IN SEPARATE BUILDINGS AND THEN MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
BUT THE QUESTION WE NEED YOU TO ANSWER BEFORE WE CAN DECIDE WHERE TO MOVE NEXT IN TERMS OF THIS PROCESS, AND THIS WAS PER INPUT RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, IS WHETHER THIS BOARD IN YOUR DISCRETION THINKS THIS REQUIRES US TO GO THROUGH A FORMAL AMENDMENT OF THE PUD ZONING, AMEN.
PUD ZONING PROCESS? OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE PLANNING BOARD TAKING THE LEAD IN ITS ENTIRETY AND IT BEING SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN REVIEW? IF YOU ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT IT DOES REQUIRE PUD AMENDMENT, IT STILL WOULD ALSO GO IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SUBSEQUENTLY, OUR POSITION IS THIS PROJECT IS PREFERABLE COMPARED TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
WE KNOW AND THERE'S AT LEAST ONE MEMBER WHO WAS ON THE PLANNING BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD DOES SCRUTINIZE PROJECTS OVER
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THE COURSE OF MANY MEETINGS.SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT GIVEN THE HISTORY AND GIVEN THEM WHOLE PROPOSING THERE IS MAYBE NOT IDENTICAL, BUT THE RANGE OF USES THAT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ENVISIONED THAT YOU WOULD DECIDE WE DON'T NEED TO AMEND THE PUD.
BUT EITHER WAY, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU CAN GIVE US SOME INPUT AND A DECISION SO WE CAN MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
WE DID FILE A SITE PLAN APPLICATION, FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS FOR THIS ENTIRE BUILDOUT ON FEBRUARY 5TH, AS I INDICATED THE PLANNING BOARD JUST WAITING SOME IN, WAITING FOR SOME INPUT BEFORE YOU FROM YOU BEFORE HOW THE, BEFORE THEY CAN DECIDE DAVE OUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD.
NO, I THINK YOU PRETTY MUCH COVERED IT.
UM, WE VIEW IT AS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME USE AND UH, MINUS THE GAS STATION.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHY THE PLANNING
'CAUSE ULTIMATELY PUD ZONING, YOU KNOW, DOES GET APPROVED BY THE SPORT.
THIS THE LAST PIECE OF THE PUG, EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE LAST PIECE.
THIS WOULD BE THE, THE LAST PIECE, ALMOST FOUR YEARS OF VISITING YOUR
AND THAT'S WHY WE THINK WE FINALLY REACHED KIND OF THAT MOMENTUM WHERE THERE IS TRULY SOME DEMAND FOR MIXED USE.
WE ALL KNOW, AND IT'S NOT LIMITED TO HAMPER, THERE'S A TON OF RETAIL SPACE VACANT EVERYWHERE.
BUT IN THAT MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT, IT'S JUST, IT'S FOUND TO BE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES.
WE THINK NOW WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN FILL THE FIRST FLOOR SPACE AND LOCAL MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES IN WEST NEWARK, YOU'LL SEE THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN VIEWED QUITE SUCCESSFULLY.
AND AGAIN, PARKING THE REAR, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO A PROJECT THAT COMES TO LIGHT IN TERMS OF 2024 STANDARDS.
AND THIS TOWN BOARD TO ITS CREDIT HAS ACTUALLY CREATED A MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT.
WE JUST DON'T NEED IT ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
'CAUSE THERE'S OTHER PUD, IS THERE ANY OTHER ASPECT OF THE POD THAT'S AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE? NO.
SO, UM, THE TWO OPTIONS, UH, ONE BEING A PUD AMENDMENT RIGHT, AND THE OTHER ONE SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS RIGHT.
WITH A DECISION THAT IN YOUR DISCRETION IT DOES NOT REQUIRE Q EVENT.
SO BOTH, BOTH OPTIONS WOULD REQUIRE A RESOLUTION BY THE TOWN BOARD, I'M ASSUMING? YES.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE RESOLUTION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, YEAH, SO I MEAN I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO POSE TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD IS DO, CAN WE ANSWER THIS QUESTION BY IN TWO WEEKS I THINK IT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS NEW IS SIGN MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE IT IS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THE THE BOUND, THE BOUNDARY HAS CHANGED.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD NOT CHANGE CONSIDERING THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS ON THE, THE, UH, PEOPLES INC UH, AFFORDABLE OR SENIOR HOUSING AND THE EAGLE RIDGE PROJECT.
AND WE PARVE THAT OUT AND UH, WENT AHEAD WITH SOME DESIGN WORK BECAUSE IT MADE NO SENSE NOT TO DO THAT WHEN WE RE UM, CONFIGURED THE OTHER TWO PARCELS, RIGHT.
OF CO AND OF COURSE COUNCILMAN MCC COMERFORD.
PART OF THAT IS, AGAIN, THERE IS NO LONGER A CONVENIENCE STORE, RIGHT? THERE IS NO LONGER A GAS STATION.
THERE IS NO LONGER A STANDALONE RETAIL.
WE'RE PUTTING THAT ALL IN THE CONTEXT OF MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
THE POPULATION DENSITY LOOKS LIKE IT'S INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THAT STRETCH THOUGH.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE A SMALLER BUILDING AND THEN LIKE A RETAIL CENTER TO MULTIPLE.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I'D BE MINDFUL OF IS IT'S DEFINITELY INCREASED THE POPULATION DENSITY IN THERE.
AND IT HAS, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE EGRESS ONTO SOUTHWESTERN IS THE REGIONAL PD DATA, NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE SHARED ACCESS.
AND THE REASON WE'VE DONE THAT OF COURSE IS SOUTHWESTERN IS A STATE HIGHWAY, RIGHT? WE'VE ALL BEEN DOWN THE PROCESS WITH DOT, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT US NOT TO HAVE A SEPARATE CURVE FIT THERE, WHICH WE THINK IS A GOOD THING.
SO WHERE WE WILL BE EGRESS BE THE EGRESS WILL BE THROUGH THE PROJECT THAT DAVE'S BUILDING OUT AROUND THAT.
RIGHT NOW EAGLE RIDGE RIGHT THERE EXISTS.
SO THERE WON'T EXISTING AND AND FURTHER THAT DOT IS GONNA DO YET ANOTHER STUDY ON THIS, WE DID IT AND WE DID A TRAFFIC STUDY.
WE DID A TRAFFIC STUDY ALREADY.
SO THERE'LL BE NO EGRESS THEN ONTO ROGERS FROM THE NO SEPARATE EGRESS, WE'LL USE THE SHARED DRIVEWAY NEXT DOOR.
YOU CAN GET TO ROGERS, THERE'S A DUAL EGRESS, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COUNTRY CLUB EGRESS ENTRANCE.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY A DRIVEWAY TO ROGERS.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE MORE VOLUME MM-HMM
IN TERMS OF THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, IT'S INCREASED THROUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT IT COMPARED TO THE PEAK TRAFFIC GENERATION FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A GAS STATION, I
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THINK WE'D ACTUALLY BE LESS.THERE, THERE'S A THIRD WAY OUT THERE.
YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE COUNTRY CLUB, YOU GO THE ALL THE WAY DOWN EAGLE, UH, PLENTY GLEN EAGLE DRIVE INTO THE COUNTRY CLUB HOUSE WHERE YOU PULL, SO THAT CURB CUT ONTO ROGERS IS CLOSER TO SOUTHWESTERN.
IT'S NOT AS FAR AS UP AS THE ONE THAT, THAT IS ACROSS FROM WALMART, CORRECT? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MAIN ONE OF THE MANAGERS.
SO THE CORRECT AND THAT WILL BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW THE DOT AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND WE'RE ALSO MAKING IT SO YOU CAN TRAVEL BETWEEN ALL THREE SITES.
THE PEOPLE IN PROJECT THAT'S APPROVED, EAGLE TRACE, THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THIS WILL ALL HAVE SHARED ACCESS MEETINGS.
THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU CAN GET IN BETWEEN THEM WITHOUT GOING OUT ONTO PUBLIC STREETS.
AND THEN THIS REFLECTS SCRUTINY TRAFFIC.
SO THIS WILL BE 60 ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS IN A YEAH, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF APARTMENTS IS 70 76 60.
NO, I'M, I'M READING IT RIGHT OFF HIS PLANS.
60 30 IN EACH BUILDING AND THEY'LL BE UH, A LITTLE BIT OFF 14,300 SOME COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN EACH BUILDING.
HOW MANY, HOW DO YOU HAVE THAT DIVIDED DOWN? OH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TENANTS YET, BUT TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS TYPE OF BUILDING, THERE'S SMALLER SPACES.
I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ON AVERAGE TWO TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT WE TYPICALLY FIND IS IT'LL BE A MIXTURE OF LOCAL BUSINESS AND PROBABLY SOME PROFESSIONAL OFFICES.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD THE NUMBER BE APPROXIMATELY THEN? WHAT WOULD THE OF HOW MANY DIFFERENT? SO IF IT, IF WE TAKE UP 14,000 SQUARE FOOT PER BUILDING, DIVIDE IT BY THREE OR 4,000, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE FOUR TO FIVE TENANTS PER BUILDING.
WE'VE NOT IDENTIFIED AT THIS TIME ANY TENANTS.
AND THESE ARE FOUR STORY STRUCTURES, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO THEN FOURTH AND THE WORLD WAYS BIG ENOUGH, WIDE ENOUGH ENTRANCE WAYS FOR UH, FIRE TRUCKS AND ES AND YEAH.
SO GOOD, GOOD QUESTION IS IT'S DESIGNED TO MEET APPENDIX VIA THE FIRE CODE, WHICH MANDATES WHERE, 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GET IN FROM SOUTHWEST OR DOES, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK AT IT.
BUT THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TRAFFIC WILL ANALYZE ALL THAT.
AND I, YOU'RE NOT APPROVING ANY OF THE TRAFFIC CONCEPTS.
YOU'RE APPROVING THE PITY, THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE PREVIOUS APPROVED PLAN IN 2003.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT IN FRONT OF YOU SAYING IDENTICAL.
SO THE PREVIOUS PLAN DID NOT HAVE ANY APARTMENTS.
SO THE PREVIOUS PLANS DID HAVE ACTUALLY MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
BUT AS COUNCIL
AND THEN WHAT ARE THE SMALLER STRUCTURES ON THE ORIGINAL PUD EIGHT NINE TO THE YEP.
YEAH, YOU HAVE YOUR ORIGINAL MIXED USE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE SMALLER STRUCTURES BACK HERE.
THOSE WERE IN, THEY'RE NOT LABELED BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE ENVISIONED TO BE COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE.
WELL 'CAUSE YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL RIGHT HERE.
AND THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN THESE SMALLER STRUCTURES.
THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING WHAT EXACTLY THOSE WERE ENVISIONED TO BE.
ONE WAS, THERE'S NO LABEL ON THEM EITHER.
ONE WAS LABELED SPECIALTY RETAIL BUT NO TENANT IDENTIFIED.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING BACK AND RELATIVELY ANCIENT HISTORY.
WELL YEAH, BUT IF WE'RE BEING TRUE TO THE PUD, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT.
'CAUSE THAT AREA HAS GONE THROUGH SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN EACH PHASE.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE USES SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ENVISIONED.
NOT EXACTLY THE SAME LANGUAGE.
YEAH, THE FOOTPRINT'S MUCH BIGGER INDIVIDUALLY ENVISIONED.
AND THE SITE'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME CONFIGURATION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? WOULD YOU LIKE COPIES OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY? WOULD YOU LIKE TO I WOULD.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU, ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE POPULATION DENSITY THAT WE'RE PROJECTING FOR THIS VERSUS WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PUD.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA IMPACT, YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LIKE, I'M LOOKING AT IT THINKING WE HAVE ALREADY CHANGED THIS PUD SEVERAL TIMES AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS NEARBY.
I WANNA KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT REQUEST, IT'S A FAIR REQUEST, IS IT WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF SPECULATION ON OUR PART ON THE ORIGINAL PLANS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY DON'T SPECIFY PRECISELY THE SIZE, THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS.
WELL THE ORIGINAL PLANS DON'T, DON'T SPECIFY THE NUMBER OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE IN HERE.
SO EVEN IF YOU COULD TAKE SOME LIBERTIES, BUT GIMME A BEST GUESS ESTIMATE.
WE CAN TRY BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA HAVE ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON, I THINK COUNCILMAN WAS REFERRING TO THE BUS, IT'S JUST TWO SCHOOLS VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO MM-HMM.
YEAH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE POPULATION DENSITY AND JUST THE IMPACT IT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE SCHOOLS.
THIS WASN'T INITIALLY PLANNED FOR IN THE PUD, SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY
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WAS REALLY PLANNING ON IT.AND WE'VE ALREADY MADE A COUPLE CHANGES AT PUD, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING ALL ASPECTS OF IT INTO ACCOUNT AND MAKING, TRYING TO STAY AS TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL PUD WITHOUT TAKING TOO MANY LIBERTIES.
BECAUSE THERE'S THREE OTHER ACTIVE PROJECTS IN THAT PUD CORRECT.
THAT WOULD HAVE IMPACT ON SCHOOLS DENSITY.
YEAH, THE EAGLE CREST IS ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION.
EAGLE RIDGE IS IN CONSTRUCTION.
PROJECT IS IN DEMOGRAPHICS OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.
WE HEAR THAT FROM EVERYTHING MR. HOPKINS BRINGS ME
NO, TYPICALLY IT TOO SLOWLY YOU GO.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE THAT ACTUALLY.
YOU KNOW, I LIKE MY DATA SO IF YOU CAN GET ME THE DATA ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.
WE WILL, WE'LL MAKE AN EFFORT TOO.
RELATED TO THE RETIRED, UH, FIREMEN FROM LACK OF WHILE YOU MIGHT BE MY BROTHER.
WE'LL PLAN ON BEING BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
ALL RIGHT THEN WE JUST HAVE A, UM, BRIEF PRESENTATION BY MS. LAVELL ON THE COURTROOM BENCH UPDATE.
I APPLIED FOR A COURT GRANT TO HAVE, UM, A NEW COURT BENCH.
AND I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE WERE AWARDED THE PRO MAX OF 30,000.
UM, SO I
UM, I WOULD ONLY BE ASKING THE TOWN TO FUND APPROXIMATELY 10 TO $12,000 DEPENDING ON THE IT COMPONENT TO THE COURT REMODEL.
IT'S A FIVE PERSON COURT BENCH.
CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW THAT WILL CHANGE THE CONFIGURATION THEN? SO THAT WILL BE CLOSED OUT.
IT WOULD BE DIRECTLY TO THE LAW.
IT'S ABOUT TO COME OUT TO YOUR VIEW WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE ON AN ANGLE YOU WOULD BE PLACED HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER VALKI WOULD BE BOW OUT HERE AND SUPERVISOR HOPE WOULD BE, HE'D COME OUT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A RAMP INSTEAD OF STAIRS.
SO IT'S A ALL ADA, A COMPLIANT, ALL OF IT.
THERE WILL BE MORE ROOM FOR EVERYONE.
BUT WE'LL BE ANGLED ON THE SIDE HERE.
JUST LIKE, JUST TO GIVE US THE A BA COMPLIANT FOR ALL ANGLED OF THE VENT.
HOW FAR DID YOU SAY? APPROXIMATELY TO HERE? AND WE WON'T HAVE TO LOSE THE SEATING BECAUSE WE MOVED THE OTHER SEATING.
AND DOES IT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANY SECURITY ASPECTS OF THE COURTROOM FOR THE, IT'S ACTUALLY DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, IT'S ACTUALLY SAFER BECAUSE PRISONERS COME THROUGH HERE.
IT'S GONNA BE FLUSHED TO THE WALL.
THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE WAY TO EXIT FOR THE JUDGE AND THERE WILL BE THAT THE SAME DOOR THAT CAN COME DOWN.
WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON IT? SO A WEEK THEY SAY THAT, SO THEY'LL MAKE IT IN THREE SECTIONS.
THE INPUT, IF IT'S IN THREE SECTIONS, IT WILL TAKE A DAY AND A HALF TO TAKE THIS BENCH DOWN AND THEN THEY WOULD START LOOKING RIGHT AWAY.
SO WE WOULD ONLY BE DOWN FOR ONE WEEK.
SO THE COURTS ONLY BE CLOSED FOR THE WEEKEND? YES.
AND IF IT ALIGNS THE WAY THAT IT'S GOING, UM, THE JUDGE GOMAN WILL BE AWAY IN OCTOBER AGAIN.
SO MAYBE WE COULD DO ONE OF HIS WEEKS, SAY I DID SPEAK OUT TO QUAKER MILLING AND THEY ARE A FEW MONTHS BEHIND AND THE PRICES OF LUMBER COME DOWN TOO.
SO I'VE ASKED FOR A NEW QUOTE.
BUT NOW WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST ABOUT 10,000 MORE, BUT YOU SAID THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE IT.
SO PART OF THE COURT BENCH IS TO HAVE LIKE THE LAPTOP, UM, COME DOWN ON A LIFT.
SO WHEN THE TOWN BOARD BEATS HERE, WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE DOWN THE LAPTOP AND ALL THAT.
WE WOULD, EVERYTHING WOULD BE UNDERNEATH.
SO THAT PORTION WHICH WE'RE WAITING FOR A QUOTE ON THAT AS WELL.
SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE I CAN DISCUSS NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I'D PREFER TO STICK TO THE AGENDA.
WE'VE ALREADY ATTEMPTED TO ADD ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM AND WE ARE STILL BEHIND, SO LET'S SAVE THAT DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER TIME.
SO THIS BRINGS US TO OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED, UH, SEVEN O'CLOCK TOWN BOARD MEETING.
UM, I'D ASK THE CLERK TO START US OFF WITH THE CALLING OF THE ROLE SUPERVISOR HOKE PRESENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL LOREN HERE.
NOW FOLKS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE, UH, REMOVE YOUR HATS AND STAND AND JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE OF THE FLAG
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I'D PLEDGE LEADING FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 40 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
JUST WANNA REMIND MY COLLEAGUES ON THE TOWN BOARD TO PLEASE USE YOUR, YOUR MICROPHONES.
NOW THAT THE ROOM IS FILLED, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR FOLKS IN THE BACK TO HEAR US AND THE MICROPHONES ARE VERY HELPFUL.
SO JUST WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF HOW THESE MEETINGS WORK.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THESE AGENDA ITEMS FIRST.
SO THOSE WILL START BY TOWN BOARD MEMBER MAKING A RESOLUTION FOLLOWED BY A SECOND.
THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PUBLIC HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT MOTION.
SO IF THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN AND OR STAND, UM, INDICATE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BE HEARD, WE DO HAVE A MICROPHONE RIGHT UP HERE AND WE HAVE A MICROPHONE OVER THERE THAT WE CAN BRING TO YOU.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ONCE.
AND WE ASK YOU TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES THAT'S PART OF THE RULES OR OF ORDER OF THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD.
UM, AT ABOUT THE THREE MINUTE MARK, I'LL GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, UH, TO ASK YOU TO FINISH UP YOUR REMARKS.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE FULL AGENDA, UH, WE WILL THEN GO TO, UH, PUBLIC EXPRESSION OR ANYBODY WHO'S HERE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO INDICATE THAT THEY'D LIKE TO BE HEARD.
AGAIN, WE ASK YOU TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, COME TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM OR USE THE MICROPHONE SO EVERYBODY NOT ONLY IN THIS ROOM CAN HEAR YOU, BUT THOSE THAT MIGHT BE VIEWING FROM HOME CAN HEAR YOU AS WELL.
UM, AT THAT POINT, UH, WE WILL HAVE REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS.
UH, THESE ARE FOLKS THAT WORK FOR THE TOWN THAT ARE RUNNING DEPARTMENTS.
THEY'RE GONNA SHARE WITH US IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON THEIR PROGRAMS AND, AND OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR DEPARTMENTS.
AT THAT POINT, WE THEN GO TO REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT OR REPORTS FROM THE BOARD WHERE THE BOARD WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION OR PERHAPS RESPOND TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OR CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE DURING THE PUBLIC EXPRESSION.
SO WITH THAT, UH, WE CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO THE FIRST RESOLUTION.
UH, NUMBER THREE, WE RESOLVED THAT HAMBURG TOM BOARD DOES HEREBY APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING AS FOLLOWS, TOWN BOARD REGULAR MEETING JANUARY 22ND, 2024.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
DOESN'T HAVE A MOVE AROUND, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT'S ME.
THIS IS A BOND RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, ERIE COUNTY, NEW YORK, AUTHORIZING THE CONSTRUCTION OF RENOVATIONS AND ALTERATIONS.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT STATING THE MAXIM MAXIMUM ESTIMATED COST THEREOF IS $5 MILLION APPROPRIATING SET AMOUNT, THEREFORE AN AUTHORIZING ISSUANCE OF UP TO $5 MILLION IN SERIAL BONDS OF THE TOWN TO FINANCE SET APPROPRIATION.
WHEREAS THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, GERE COUNTY, NEW YORK PROPOSES TO AUTHORIZE ISSUANCE OF $5 MILLION IN SERIAL BONDS OF THE TOWN TO FINANCE THE CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATIONS AND ALTERATIONS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT LOCATED AT 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK 1 4 0 7 5, AND AN ESTIMATED MAXIMUM COST OF $5 MILLION.
AND WHEREAS THE BOARD DETERMINED THE PROJECT CONSTITUTES A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT AND REGULATIONS PROMULGATED THERE UNDER AND THEREFORE NO FURTHER ACTION NEED BE TAKEN BY THE BOARD UNDER SEEKER AS A PRECONDITION TO ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION.
AND WHEREAS THE BOARD NOW WISHES TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT AND TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF THE TOWN SERIAL BONDS AND BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES TO BE ISSUED TO FINANCE THE AFOREMENTIONED SPECIFIC OBJECT OF PURPOSE.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURGER COUNTY, NEW YORK, BY THE FAVORABLE VOTE OF NOT LESS THAN TWO THIRDS OF ALL MEMBERS OF SUCH BODY AS FOLLOWS.
THE TOWN IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED TO UNDERTAKE THE CONSTRUCTION OF RENOVATIONS AND ALTERATIONS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT LOCATED AT 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK, 1 4 0 7 5.
IT IS HEREBY DETERMINED THE MAXIMUM ESTIMATED COST OF THE AFO MENTIONED CLASS OF OBJECT.
SET AMOUNT IS HEREBY APPROPRIATED THEREAFTER IN THE PLAN FOR THE FINANCING THEREOF SHALL IN CONSIST OF ONE, THE ISSUANCE OF THE $5 MILLION IN SERIAL BONDS OF THE TOWN AUTHORIZED TO BE ISSUED PURSUANT TO THIS RESOLUTION OR BOND ANTICIPATION.
NOTES ISSUED IN ANTICIPATION OF SUCH BONDS AND TWO, UNLESS PAID FROM OTHER SOURCES OF THE LEVY AND COLLECTION OF TAXES ON ALL TAXABLE
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REAL PROPERTY OF THE TOWN TO PAY THE PRINCIPLE OF SUCH BONDS OR NOTES AND INTEREST THERE ON AS THE SAME BECOME DUE AND PAYABLE.SECTION TWO SERIAL OF BONDS OF THE TOWN, THE PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OF $5 MILLION OR HE BY AUTHORIZED TO BE ISSUED PURSUANT TO PROVISIONS OF LOCAL FINANCE LAW.
CONSTITUTING CHAPTER 33 A OF THE CONSOLIDATED LAWS OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK TO FINANCE THE AFOREMENTIONED CLASS OF OBJECT FOR A PURPOSE IN SECTION THREE, IT IS HEREBY DETERMINED THAT THE PERIOD OF PROBABLE USEFULNESS OF THE AFOREMENTIONED CLASS OF OBJECT OF PURPOSE IS 25 YEARS PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION 12 A, ONE OF PARAGRAPH A OF SECTION 11 OF THE LAW.
SECTION FOUR, THE TEMPORARY USE OF AVAILABLE FUNDS OF THE TOWN NOT IMMEDIATELY REQUIRED FOR THE PURPOSE OR PURPOSES FOR WHICH THE SAME WERE BORROWED, RAISED OR OTHERWISE CREATED IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 65 0.10 OF THE LAW FOR THE CAPITAL PURPOSE DESCRIBED IN THIS RESOLUTION.
THE TOWN SHALL REIMBURSE SUCH EXPENDITURES WITH PROCEEDS OF THE BONDS OR BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES AUTHORIZED BY THIS RESOLUTION.
THIS RESOLUTION SHALL CONSTITUTE DECLARATION OF OFFICIAL INTENT TO REIMBURSE THE EXPENDITURES AUTHORIZED HEREIN WITH THE PROCEEDS OF THE BONDS AND THE BOND ANTICIPATION OWES HEREIN AS REQUIRED BY UNITED STATES TREASURY REGULATION SECTION 1.150 DASH TWO SECTION FIVE.
THE FINAL MATURITY OF THE BONDS HEREIN AUTHORIZED TO BE ISSUED SHALL BE IN EXCESS OF FIVE YEARS MEASURED FROM THE DATE OF ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST SERIAL BOND OR BOND ANTICIPATION NOTE ISSUED PURSUANT TO THIS RESOLUTION.
SECTION SIX, EACH OF THE SERIAL BONDS AUTHORIZED BY THIS RESOLUTION, ANY BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES ISSUED IN ANTICIPATION OF SAID BOND SHALL CONTAIN THE RECITAL OF VALIDITY PRESCRIBED BY SECTION 52.00.
THE LAW ON SAID SERIAL BONDS AND ANY BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES ISSUED IN ANTICIPATION OF SAID BOND SHALL BE GENERAL OBLIGATIONS TO TOWN PAYABLE AS TO BOTH PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST BY A GENERAL TAX UPON ALL THE REAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE TOWN, SUBJECT TO APPLICABLE STATUTORY LIMITS, IF ANY, THE FAITH AND CREDIT THE TOWN AND HEREBY IRREVOCABLY PLEDGE TO THE PUNCTUAL PAYMENT OF THE PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST ON SAID SERIAL BONDS AND BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES AND PROVISIONS SHALL BE MADE ANNUAL IN THE BUDGET OF TOWN BY APPROPRIATION FOR A, THE AMORTIZATION OF REDEMPTION OF THE BONDS AND BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES TO MATURE IN SUCH YEAR.
AND B, THE PAYMENT OF INTEREST TO BE DUE AND PAYABLE IN SUCH YEAR.
SECTION SEVEN IS SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF THIS RESOLUTION AND OF THE LAW PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION TH 30.00 RELATIVE TO THE AUTHORIZATION OF THE ISSUANCE OF SERIAL BONDS AND BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES OR RENEWALS OF SET OBLIGATIONS.
AND OF SECTION 21.00 50.0 54.90 56.00 THROUGH 60.0 0, 62 0.10, AND 63.00 OF THE LAW, THE POWERS AND DUTY TO THE TOWN BOARD RELATIVE TO AUTHORIZING SERIAL BONDS AND BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES AND PRESCRIBING TERMS FORMING CONTENTS AS THE SALE AND ISSUANCE OF BONDS HEREIN AUTHORIZED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER TO ISSUE BONDS HAVING SUBSTANTIALLY LEVEL OR DECLINING DEBT SERVICE IN ALL MATTERS RELATED THERETO AND OF ANY BOND ANTICIPATION.
NOTES ISSUED ANTICIPATION OF SAID BONDS AND RENEWALS OF SAID BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES ARE HEREBY DELEGATED TO THE TOWN SUPERVISOR AS THE CHIEF FISCAL OS OFFICER FOR THE TOWN.
SUCH NOTE SHALL BE OF SUCH TERMS FORM AND CONTENTS MAY BE PRESCRIBED BY SAID TOWN SUPERVISOR CONSISTENT WITH THE PROVISIONS OF LOCAL FINANCE LAW.
FURTHER PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH B OF SECTION 11.0 OF THE LAW, IN THE EVENT THAT BONDS WILL BE ISSUED FOR THIS CLASS OF OBJECT OR PURPOSE AUTHORIZED BY THIS RESOLUTION ARE COMBINED FOR SALE PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH C OF SECTION 57.00 OF THE LAW WITH BONDS TO BE ISSUED FOR ONE OR MORE OBJECT OF PURPOSE OR PURPOSE AUTHORIZED BY THE RESOLUTIONS OF THE BOARD, THEN THE POWER OF THE BOARD DETERMINED THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE PERIOD OF PROBABLE USE WITHIN THE MEANING OF PARAGRAPH A OF SECTION 11.0 OF THE LAW FOR SUCH COMBINED PRO OBJECTS OR PURPOSES HEREBY DELEGATED TO TOWN SUPERVISOR AS THE CHIEF FISCAL O OFFICER FOR THE TOWN SECTION EIGHT TOWN SUPERVISOR HEREBY AUTHORIZED TO TAKE SUCH ACTIONS AND EXECUTE SUCH DOCUMENTS AS MAY BE NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE CONTINUED STATUS OF THE INTEREST OF THE BONDS AUTHORIZED BY THIS RESOLUTION.
AND ANY NOTES ISSUED IN ANTICIPATION THEREOF IS EXCLUDABLE FROM THE GROSS INCOME FOR FEDERAL INCOME TAX PURPOSES PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 0 3 OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE 1986 AS AMENDED AND TO DESIGNATE THE BONDS AUTHORIZED BY THIS RESOLUTION AND ANY NOTES ISSUED IN ANTICIPATION THEREOF IF APPLICABLE AS QUALIFIED TAX EXEMPT BONDS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 65 B THREE B ONE OF THE CODE SECTION NINE, THE TOWN SUPERVISORS FURTHER AUTHORIZED ONE TO CONTINUING DISCLOSURE UNDERTAKING WITH OR FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE INITIAL PURCHASE OF THE BONDS OR NOTES AUTHORIZED BY THIS RESOLUTION IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF RULE 15 C TWO DASH 12 PROMULGATED BY THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION PURSUANT TO THE SECURITY EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934, SECTION 10, THE INTENT OF THIS RESOLUTION IS TO GIVE THIS TOWN SUPERVISOR SUFFICIENT AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE THOSE APPLICATIONS, AGREEMENTS AND INSTRUMENTS OR TO DO ANY SIMILAR ACTS NECESSARY TO AFFECT THE ISSUANCE OF YOU FORCE SET SERIALLY BONDS OR BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES WITHOUT RESORTING TO FURTHER ACTION OF THE BOARD.
SECTION 11, PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION
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B OF SECTION 35.00 OF THE LAW, THIS RESOLUTION IS SUBJECT TO A PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM IN THE MANNER PRESCRIBED BY ARTICLE SEVEN OF THE TOWN LAW OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK.THE TOWN CLERK IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED AND DIRECTED WITHIN 10 DAYS AFTER DATE OF ADOPTION OF THIS RESOLUTION TO PUBLISH AND POST THE NOTICE SATISFYING THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 90 OF THE TOWN LAW, WHICH SHALL SET FORTH THE DATE OF ADOPTION OF THIS RESOLUTION SHALL CONTAIN AN ABSTRACT HEREOF AND SHALL SPECIFY THAT THIS RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED SUBJECT TO A PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM.
SUCH NOTICE SHALL BE PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER OF THE TOWN FOR SUCH PURPOSE.
THIS RESOLUTION SHALL TAKE EFFECT 30 DAYS AFTER THE DATE OF ITS ADOPTION OR IF WITHIN SUCH 30 DAY PERIOD THERE IS FILED WITH TOWN CLERK.
A PETITION SUBSCRIBED AND ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE NUMBER OF QUALIFIED ELECTORS OF THE TOWN REQUIRED BY SECTION 91 OF THE TOWN LAW AND IN THE MANNER SPECIFIED IN SUCH SECTION UNTIL APPROVED BY THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THE MAJORITY OF SUCH QUALIFIED ELECTORS VOTING IN A PROPOSITION FOR ITS APPROVAL.
SECTION 13, THE VALIDITY OF THE BONDS AUTHORIZED BY THIS RESOLUTION AND OF ANY BOND ANTICIPATION.
NOTES ISSUED IN ANTICIPATION OF SAID BONDS MAY BE CONTESTED ONLY IF SUCH OBLIGATIONS ARE AUTHORIZED FOR AN OBJECT OR PURPOSE FOR ITS ACCOUNT IS NOT AUTHORIZED TO SPEND MONEY OR B, THE PROVISIONS OF LAW WHICH SHOULD BE COMPLIED WITH THE DATE OF THE PUBLICATION OF SUCH RESOLUTION YOU'RE NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIED WITH.
AND AN ACTION SUED OR PROCEEDING CONTESTING SUCH VALID VALIDITY IS COMMENCED WITHIN 20 DAYS AFTER THE DATE OF SUCH PUBLICATION OR C SUCH OBLIGATIONS ARE AUTHORIZED IN VIOLATION OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION.
UPON THIS RESOLUTION BECOMING EFFECTIVE, THE TOWN CLERK IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED AND DIRECTED TO CAUSE A COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION OR SUMMING THERE THEREOF TO BE PUBLISHED TOGETHER WITH A NOTICE ATTACHED AND SUBSTANTIALLY THE FORM IS PRESCRIBED IN SECTION 81.00 OF THE LAW IN THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER, THE TOWN FOR SUCH PURPOSE TOGETHER WITH A NOTICE OF THE TOWN CLERK SUBSTANTIAL THE FORM PROVIDED IN SECTIONS 81.00 OF THE LAW.
THE QUESTION OF THE ADOPTION OF THE FOREGOING RESOLUTION IS DULY PUT TO A VOTE IN ROLL CALL WHICH RESULTED AS FOLLOWS.
UM, AND THAT IS YET TO HAPPEN.
SO I WILL OFFICIALLY MOVE THE RESOLUTION SECOND.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE FOUR, FIVE AND SIX.
UH, 'CAUSE I HATE TO SEE HIM FAIL.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THE NEXT THREE RESOLUTIONS.
UM, I HAVE VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT TABLING RESOLUTION NUMBER SIX.
WE HAVE SOME CRITICAL CONSTRUCTION DEADLINES THAT IF WE DO NOT PASS THIS TONIGHT, WE JEOPARDIZE AN ENTIRE HOCKEY SEASON.
LIKE I SAID, I HATE TO SEE IT FAIL.
MY RECOMMENDED IS TO TABLE THESE.
LET'S HAVE A MEETING JUST LIKE YOU DO FOR THE BUDGETS.
AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY BETWEEN THESE THREE BUDGETS.
I I SECOND THAT, I SECOND THAT MOTION AND MOVE IT FOR VOTE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO TABLE THREE RESOLUTIONS.
THE RESOLUTION TO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN TAKE, CAN WE TABLE A RESOLUTION BEFORE IT'S MOVED? YES.
WHAT'S THAT? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT TWO ALSO.
YEAH, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SIT HERE AND READ, READ ALL 'EM.
YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE RESOLUTION, BUT YOU CERTAINLY SHOULD PROBABLY.
WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT UNTIL WE TAKE THE JUST INDIVIDUAL.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND YOUR UH, YES, JUDGE.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IT'S TABLE RESOLUTION NUMBER FOUR.
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALL OPPOSED, OPPOSED, OPPOSED THE MOTION.
SO, OR DO YOU WANT THE WHOLE THING? I GOTTA MOVE IT FIRST.
I'M JUST, I WOULD, I WOULD ACTUALLY MOVE TO TABLE FIVE AND SIX AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE, UH, A BOND RESOLUTION.
THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, ERIE COUNTY, NEW YORK, AUTHORIZED IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO A NEW SENIOR CENTER STATING THE MAXIMUM ESTIMATED COST THEREOF IS $2 MILLION.
APPROPRIATING SAID AMOUNT, THEREFORE, AND AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF UP TO $2 MILLION IN SERIAL BONDS OF THE TOWN TO FINANCE SAID APPROPRIATION.
WHEREAS THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, ERIE COUNTY, NEW YORK, PROPOSES TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF $2 MILLION IN SERIAL BONDS OF THE TOWN TO FINANCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF RENOVATIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO NEW SENIOR CENTER AND AN ESTIMATED MAXIMUM COST OF $2 MILLION.
AND WHEREAS THE BOARD DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT CONSTITUTES A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL WATER REVIEW ACT, AND THE REGULATIONS PROMULGATED THERE UNDER, AND THEREFORE NO FURTHER ACTION NEED BE
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TAKEN BY THE BOARD UNDER SEEKER AS A PRECONDITION OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS RESOLUTION.WHEREAS THE BOARD NOW WISHES TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT AND TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF THE TOWN SERIAL BONDS AND BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES TO BE ISSUED TO FINANCE THE AFOREMENTIONED SPECIFIC PROJECT OR PURPOSE.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, ERIE COUNTY, NEW YORK AS FOLLOWS.
AND I WILL CHARACTERIZE SECTIONS ONE THROUGH 14 AS LISTED IN THE PRE-FILED RESOLUTION IN FORGO READING ALL OF THOSE 14 SECTIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UH, WITH A SECOND.
AND NOW WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO TABLE.
UH, AND THAT HAS BEEN SECONDED ON THE QUESTION.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, BEEN LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE OF A SENIOR CENTER FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW.
WE'VE HAD A GROUP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS PUT TOGETHER THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS.
THEY'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DEPARTMENT OF OF YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES.
AND WE HAVE A LEASE THAT'S EXPIRING IN OUR, THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT WE'RE IN.
SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE IN JEOPARDY BE OF BEING STOPPED THIS SUMMER AND THIS FALL.
UH, THIS IS ASKING FOR, FOR $2 MILLION, UH, WHICH THE TOWN OF CHAR PARK JUST SPENT $24 MILLION ON, ON A NEW FACILITY.
WE'RE LOOKING TO BE VERY RESPONSIBLE WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE, THE SENIORS THAT ENJOY THE PROGRAMMING, THE YOUTH THAT BUILD CONFIDENCE AND RECEIVE SERVICES AT THE PROGRAM.
THE MEAL THAT IS SERVED DURING THE DAY, FOR SOME FOLKS, IT'S THEIR ONLY HOT MEAL.
THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS THAT ARE RUN OUT OF THAT BUILDING, THESE ARE ESSENTIAL PROGRAMS AND TIMES OF THE ESSENCE FURTHER DELAY JEOPARDIZES THOSE PROGRAMS THAT OUR SENIORS RELY ON.
AND I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO PLEASE RECONSIDER THE REQUEST BY COUNCILMAN COZA TO TABLE THIS ISSUE.
I'M, I'M A QUESTION SUPERVISOR HOKE.
I DID SPEAK WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS TODAY AND HE WAS LESS ENAMORED.
UM, LEAN IS TO SAY WITH THE WAY THAT HE WAS TREATED BY, BY YOU.
AND THERE WAS A LEASE IN PLACE, UM, WITH THE, UM, SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO IT IN MY CAPACITY AS, UH, A COUNCIL MEMBER AND I SPOKE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, BETH FARRELL LORENZ ABOUT THIS TODAY, IS TO TRY TO PATH FORWARD TO POSITIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
THE SUPERINTENDENT SAID HE'S VERY INTERESTED IN CREATING RELATIONSHIPS AND WORKING RELATIONSHIPS FOR STUDENTS AND INTERNSHIPS, AND THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN GO FORWARD, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT THOSE NEGOTIATIONS BROKE DOWN BETWEEN YOU AND THEN YOU THEN ATTEMPTED TO BLAME THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
BUT IT ALL STARTED WITH THOSE LEASE NEGOTIATIONS.
NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HAMBURG.
WE HAVE $5 MILLION THEY WANNA SPEND FOR THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
$8 MILLION FOR THE ARENA, $2 MILLION FOR A SENIOR CENTER.
I HAVE BEEN TO THE OUS COMMUNITY CENTER.
I HAVE SEEN THEIR ARENA, I HAVE SEEN THEIR FIELD HOUSE AND FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BASKETBALL COURTS.
I'VE SEEN THEIR MEETING SPACES.
WHAT WE NEED IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG IS A COMPREHENSIVE FACILITY THAT DOES NOT JUST PIECEMEAL THIS BECAUSE ALL OF THESE MATTERS IN MY VIEW ARE PIECEMEAL.
I THINK OF A DUAL RINK COMPLEX.
I DID SUBMIT A PROPOSAL, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DID NOT END UP ON THE AGENDA TODAY, TO STUDY A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR, UM, A DUAL, UM, ICE ARENA, TO HAVE A FIELD HOUSE.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE LOCATIONS I PUT FORTH AND I WILL BE PUTTING FORTH IN THE NEXT MEETING TO HAVE LOCATIONS TO INCLUDE THE OLD MCKINLEY PARK AND THE, UH, OLD LEISURE LAND COMPLEX.
MY THOUGHT IS IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND $13 MILLION, LET'S NOT PUT THAT ASIDE, BUT LET'S LOOK AT SOME, UM, OPPORTUNITIES WHERE PAT COLLETTA HAD COME FORWARD FOR AN ARENA.
UM, ALSO DAVE AND CHUCK HAD COME BEFORE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE THOSE PARTNERSHIPS AND THINK OF SOMETHING FOR THE NEXT CENTURY BECAUSE SINCE I WAS A BOY PLAYING IN THE NIKE BASE, HAMBURG WENT FROM ABOUT 30,000 TO WHERE IT IS TODAY.
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I WOULD RATHER DO IT COMPREHENSIVELY.UM, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO HAVE A FACILITY THAT YOU COULD HAVE KIDS PLAY LACROSSE AND BASEBALL AND HAVE IT FOR ALL THE SENIORS AND NOT JUST PIECEMEAL THIS.
AND THE FACT THAT IT GOT TO THIS POINT, UM, IS RATHER UNFORTUNATE, BUT WE CAN ONLY GO FORWARD.
SO ON THAT QUESTION, I I DO SECOND THE TABLE AND MOVE THE MATTER FIRST.
I GOT ANOTHER, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, WHEN ARE THEY GONNA STOP THE HOT MEALS AT THE, UH, SENIOR CENTER IS NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING JULY 1ST, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SWITCH THE TIME.
WE'RE SWITCHING THE TIME, BUT THE MEALS WILL STILL GO UP.
AND THEN THAT, UM, THE END OF 2025 OUT THE BUILDING.
SO WE GOT BOND $2 MILLION FOR A FACILITY WE DON'T EVEN HAVE YET.
CHEESE CAME OUT AND SAID THEY'RE GONNA DO $1.2 MILLION FOR A NORTH BUFFALO FACILITY AND THERE'S A LOT OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT GOES INTO THAT.
LIKE I NEED TO SEE THE DETAILS.
WE, YOU KNOW, I WAS ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP LIKE AMHERST WHERE WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT TAX ASSESSMENT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO AND, AND, AND THE SUPERINTENDENT WAS VERY COMPLIMENTARY OF YOU, BY THE WAY.
UM, AND, UM, MS. FOREMAN AND I, HE HAD SOME NICE THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU'VE DEVELOPED AND I WOULD LIKE THAT TO GO FORWARD.
I, I THINK THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A WIN-WIN.
UM, I KNOW PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE, UM, THAT WERE LIAISONS, UM, TO THE, UH, SCHOOL BOARD WHEN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS BROKE DOWN.
AND, UM, FROM MY VIEW, PROBABLY WANNA GO FORWARD AND WE WANNA DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITIZENS.
MS. GORMAN KING, QUICK QUESTION.
WHEN WE TALKED EARLIER, THIS PROJECT IS, I KNOW IT'S TITLED AS A SENIOR CENTER, IT'S REALLY MEANT TO BE A COMMUNITY CENTER, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THE CURRENT SENIOR CENTER, SORRY, I'LL LET YOU GET MICD UP THE CURRENT COMMUNITY CENTER.
WELL, THEY CAN'T HEAR HER IN THE, WE'RE NOT SURE EVERYBODY CAN, NO.
THE CURRENT COMMUNITY CENTER, FROM WHAT I GARNERED OVER THE PAST CONVERSATIONS THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF WAS ABOUT A $1.6 MILLION RENOVATION THAT WE PLUGGED INTO THE BUILDING TO GET IT TO THE STANDARDS WE NEED.
SO IN MY CONVERSATION WITH YOU WHILE YOU WERE ASKING FOR 2 MILLION, IF YOU COME IN UNDER TO RETROFIT A BUILDING TO GET IT TO THE SPECS WE NEED, YOU'RE NOT JUST GONNA SPEND LIKE A BLANK CHECK LIKE, I HAVE ALL THIS MONEY, I HAVE TO SPEND IT.
IT'S MORE TO THE MOMENT WE TAKE OWNERSHIP OR RESIDENCY OF A BUILDING TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF TIME FROM US TAKING OWNERSHIP OR RESIDENCY OF IT TO THE RESIDENTS BEING ABLE TO IMMEDIATELY USE IT.
IS THAT WHAT I'M TO UNDERSTAND? THAT'S CORRECT.
I'M SORRY, DID YOU WANNA FINISH? NO, GO AHEAD.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE OTHER SOURCES OF, OF FINANCING AVAILABLE TO US, IF I'M CORRECT.
WE HAVE, I BELIEVE SINCE THE LEASE STARTED, THERE IS MONEY THAT'S BEEN SET ASIDE EACH AND EVERY YEAR THAT IS AVAILABLE THAT COULD BE UTILIZED.
I THINK ALL OF US WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE THE PROGRAMMING AND THE SERVICES FOR OUR SENIORS AND OUR YOUTH, BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GET IN THERE ALL WHAT'S NEEDED.
AND WE DO HAVE MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE INITIAL TRANSITION.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UM, OTHER, UH, ASSETS OR MONEY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED FROM PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL UP IN, IN THE, THE AIR.
SO THERE IS MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE.
IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS A, UH, YES OR NO.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE DON'T BOND, THERE'S STILL MONEY AVAILABLE TO ASSIST IN THE TRANSITIONS THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THAT.
AND I'M ONLY AWARE OF, UM, ONE ACCOUNT AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS SET ASIDE FOR THE LEASE.
SO I'M NOT EXTREMELY AVERSE IN FINANCE, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S WHAT IT'D HAVE TO BE CONTINUED ON FOR.
UM, AND THE BONDING WAS FOR THE RENOVATIONS.
AND IF I CAN JUST SAY I AGREE.
UM, HOT LUNCHES AREN'T GONNA STOP AS OF JULY 1ST, BUT AS OF JULY 1ST WE LOSE HALF OF THE BUILDING.
WE LOSE, UM, OUR ENTIRE, UH, WORKOUT ROOM.
WE LOSE THE BILL ROOM AND WE LOSE TWO CLASSROOMS. WE'LL HAVE LEFT, UH, PARTIAL USE OF THE GYM, THE, UM, DINER AND THE LIBRARY AND THEN OUR OFFICES.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE ALL OF THAT.
AND THE GYMNASIUM, IT'S NOT AN EASY, UH, RELOCATION 'CAUSE IT'S ALL, AND MY ISSUE WERE WE DON'T HAVE A FACILITY YET, SO WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GONNA NEED.
SO WE'RE JUST THROWING OUT A BALLPARK FIGURE OF $2 MILLION.
THAT'S WHY I SAID I WANT TO TABLE THIS, HAVE A MEETING, LIKE A BUDGET STYLE MEETING SO WE
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KNOW EXACTLY WHERE OUR MONEY'S GOING, WHAT IT'S BEING UTILIZED FOR.AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HARD ASK.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHARE WITH, WITH THE NEWTOWN BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UH, THIS IS NOT A SHOT IN THE DARK.
UM, WE, I WOULD SECOND THE MOTION TO MOVE FOR A VOTE AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, THERE'S, I THINK, I THINK, UH, JILL HAS SOME THINGS TO SAY.
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO SPEAK AS WELL.
OF COURSE, OF COURSE, OF COURSE.
AND I WILL JUST LIKE TO REMIND YOU, MR. BOBOWSKI, ONCE AGAIN THAT I'M, I'M RUNNING THE MEETING.
WELL, LOOK, YOU'RE NOT A DICTATOR.
NO, I, I JUST RECOGNIZE WHEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA TALK OR, OR NOT TALK.
BUT MS. GORMAN KING, BEFORE YOUR REMARKS, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
UM, AND WE DIDN'T PULL THIS NUMBER OUT OF THIN AIR.
UM, WE HAD A PREVIOUS RENOVATION THAT HELPED INFORM THIS, UH, MS. GORMAN KING, AS WELL AS HER STAFF, AND MYSELF AND THE MEMBERS OF THE TRANSITION COMMITTEE TOURED, UH, UH, THE NEW COMMUNITY CENTER IN THE TOWN OF AMHERST.
AND THEY WERE ABLE TO SHARE THEIR, THEIR FINANCIALS AS WELL.
WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE REALLY TWO SITES IN MIND RIGHT NOW.
AND WE TOOK OUR ENTIRE TEAM FROM THE YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, TO DO AN INITIAL EVALUATION OF WHAT THE NEED, THE CAPITAL NEEDS WERE AT A PROSPECTIVE, UH, NEW LOCATION.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT THIS IS LIKE OPENING UP A CREDIT CARD, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE FULL AMOUNT, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SPEND ANY OF IT.
UM, BUT IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THESE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS INTO VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAMS. AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC, THE FRONTIER SCHOOL DISTRICT TOLD US THAT THEY WERE TAKING THE BUILDING BACK.
AND OF COURSE I WASN'T HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED BY THAT DECISION.
BUT IT WAS A DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY THE DISTRICT AND SUPPORTED BY THE STATE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT.
WE HAD HUNDREDS OF SENIORS THAT WROTE THE SUPERINTENDENT, THE STATE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT, TO LOBBY ON OUR BEHALF.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SET THAT RECORD STRAIGHT.
WE, WELL, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT YOU ALSO, AT THE CLOVER BANK FIELD DATES, AND I TALKED TO PEOPLE AT THE PTA FOR OVER FOR DECADES.
THE TOWN PROVIDED RESOURCES FOR FIELD DAYS.
AND BECAUSE YOU WERE UPSET WITH THE FRONTIER SCHOOL DISTRICT, MR. HOPE YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAD DONE IN THE PAST AS FAR TO PICNIC TABLES.
AND I'VE INVESTIGATED THAT AND THAT WAS RATHER PETTY.
AND THAT'S NOT A WAY TO GO FORWARD WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION MANY TIMES AT MANY, MANY MEETINGS, AND WE HAVE MADE A MOTION TO TABLE IT.
PUBLIC WANTS A COMMENT, THAT'S FINE, BUT I'M READY TO VOTE.
MR. BOSKY, THE CLOVER BANK FIELD DAYS WENT OFF WITHOUT A HITCH WITH SUPPORT FROM THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WITH PICNIC TABLES AND GARBAGE CANS DELIVERED BY OUR BUILDINGS AND GROUND'S DEPARTMENT AT THE LAST MINUTE.
AND YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE THE SAME AMOUNT THAT YOU HAD IN THE PAST.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S BEEN MS. GOMAN FRONT THERE, MS. GOMAN CA.
AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. VERY SENATOR.
UM, WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO ALL OF YOU IS THAT, AS WE STATED AT THE LAST MEETING, WE ARE PRELIMINARY NEGOTIATIONS WITH A PREFERRED SITE.
UM, SO WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN FAST.
AS WE JUST STATED ABOUT THE ICE RINK.
UM, SUPPLY AND DEMAND ARE VERY DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW.
UM, GETTING SUPPLIES IN, GETTING CONTRACTORS SET, WE WANNA BE SURE THAT WE CAN HIT THEIR GROUND RUNNING WHEN THIS HAPPENS.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S NO DISRUPTION IN SERVICES.
AND AGAIN, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU HAVING A DISCUSSION AND UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT AS THE SUPERVISOR SAID, IF WE VOTE ON JUST TO OPEN THIS, THEN THE DISCUSSION CAN BE HOW THE MONIES ARE SPENT BY, YOU KNOW, TO WHOM AND, AND WHAT WE DO.
SO OUR BIGGEST CONCERN, JUST LIKE THE ICE RINK, IS JUST TIMING AND TO MAKE SURE THAT NO PROGRAMMING IS GOING TO BE INTERRUPTED.
AND I DON'T THINK A TWO WEEK DELAY WILL HURT.
NO, I MS THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION TO TABLE.
MR. SHAY, CAN YOU CHIME IN REAL QUICK AND HELP, UM, CLARIFY SOMETHING BOUND RESOLUTION.
IF WE PASS THIS, WE DON'T GET TO DRAW ON THE MONEY IMMEDIATELY, CORRECT? UH, NO.
THERE'LL BE AT LEAST A 90 DAY PERIOD.
THERE'S A WAIT PERIOD MONEY TO THE POINT.
IT JUST ALLOWS US TO BORROW THE MONEY.
SO, UH, THE POINT WAS MADE EARLIER.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BORROW UP TO 2 MILLION ON THAT BOND.
IF WE DON'T BORROW, THEN WE DON'T PAY ANY INTEREST.
UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER UFFORD, IT'LL BE AT LEAST 90 DAYS BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY ACCESS ANY OF THE ONE, IF IT'S RESOLVED AND PASSED FOR.
AND WHAT WILL THE BOND BEFORE HOW MANY YEARS? THE TERM, THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT.
UM, THE RESOLUTION ITSELF SAYS IT CAN'T BE ANY LONGER THAN 25 YEARS.
UM, ONCE WE GET, IF WE GET TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY HAVING IT APPROVED, WE CAN SIT AND RUN THROUGH
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SOME NUMBERS TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH WOULD BE PAYABLE IF WE TOOK OUT FOR 10 YEARS, 11 YEARS, 12 YEARS, UP TO 25 YEARS.SO, AND THE CURRENT RATE, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THREE AND 3.5% OF THE COUPON RATE.
BUT THAT'LL FLUCTUATE, DEPEND ON WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GO OUT TO MARKET.
AND THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDS AVAILABLE.
AND CAN WE DO THIS IN A MORE LEAN FASHION? THE SOURCES THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL, LOREN MENTIONED THERE IS MONEY LEFT FROM THE ACCOUNT THAT WAS SET UP TO, UH, MAINTAIN THE LEASE AGREEMENT AT THE CURRENT SENIOR CENTER.
UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT ONCE THE LEASE THAT SUPPORTED THOSE AMOUNTS WAS CANCELED, THOSE FUNDS ARE NOW AT THE DISCRETIONARY USE OF THE TOWN.
THERE'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 350 AND $400,000 IN THAT ACCOUNT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO, I THINK WHAT, UH, WAS BEING MENTIONED IS THERE'S, THE RECREATIONAL SAVINGS ACCOUNT IS WHAT'S COMMONLY REFERRED TO.
THAT'S A FUND THAT'S BUILT UP BY, UM, FUNDS PUT INTO AN ACCOUNT BY DEVELOPERS WHO DECIDE TO PUT MONEY INTO THAT ACCOUNT, RATHER THAT HAD TO BUILD A GREEN SPACE.
SO IF THEY DON'T PROVIDE ENOUGH GREEN SPACE IN THEIR DEVELOPMENTS, THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO PUT MONEY TOWARDS THIS RECREATION FUND.
UM, THE INTENT IS FOR RECREATION, THERE IS A BELIEF, OR AT LEAST A THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS STRETCH INTO THE RECREATION REALM THAT THOSE FUNDS COULD BE USED FOR.
UM, THERE'S PROBABLY BETWEEN 300, $400,000 IN THAT ACCOUNT AS WELL.
SO WHAT'S THE TOTAL WOULD BE 800,000? UH, PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER MONEY FOR PROJECTS THAT HAVE, WHILE THEY'VE BEEN EARMARKED TENTATIVELY, WE DO HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF LOOKING AT SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVEN'T GONE FORWARD ON AND WE COULD USE HERE.
SO THERE WOULD BE MECHANISMS AVAILABLE FOR US TO, UM, STILL GO FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS WE HAVE WITH TRANSITIONING AND, AND BE ABLE TO PUT THIS OFF OR POSSIBLY EVEN NOT NEEDED.
THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT WHAT'S SUBMITTED.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BUT YES.
IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN COMMITTED, HAS GONE BEFORE THE BOARD, SO IT HAS BEEN FORMALLY APPROVED AS A COMMITTED AMOUNT.
UM, THERE ARE FUNDS DONE ON BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT WAS COMMITTED TO, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
UM, BUT THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION BEFORE, IF YOU WANNA UN UNCOMMITTED FUNDS THAT WE COMMITTED FOR ANOTHER PROJECT, WE MOVE TO THIS PROJECT.
NOW, IF RELATIVE TO, UM, I KNOW THAT OUR TOWN ATTORNEY HAD SENT YOU AN EMAIL TODAY RELATIVE TO SOME CONCERNS.
I I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RESPONDED BACK TO MR. FARRELL ABOUT THAT.
NO, WE WERE INTENDING ON TALKING WHATEVER MR. FARRELL PROPOSES IS FINE.
THIS RESOLUTION WAS WRITTEN BY
HARRIS BEACH IS OUR, UM, UNDERWRITER IN THE LEGAL FIRM THAT DOES THE RESOLUTION.
SO DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THEY CHARGE US TO WRITE? UH, I GUESS IF WE, ONCE WE GET TO THE BAN APPROACH, ONCE EVERYTHING'S ALL COMMITTED BETWEEN HARRIS BEACH, THE BOND COUNCIL AND A FINANCIAL ADVISOR, $17,000, $17,000.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT PRIOR TO IT.
AND SO WE SPENT $17,000 TO WRITE A RESOLUTION TO SOME LAWYERS.
NO, I'M SORRY, NOT TO INTERRUPT.
THAT WOULD BE AFTER THIS IS ALL OVER.
OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE IN FOR THEIR SERVICES.
YEAH, BUT THAT WOULD BE, IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THEN THE BAND IS ALL THE WAY PUT IN PLACE TO TAKE IT TO ITS END CONCLUSION ONCE THE BANDS ARE ROLLED INTO THE BOND, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROCESS THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $55,000.
BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE MINIMUM THREE YEARS FROM NOW BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE UNTIL THE SERIAL BANDS ARE IN PLACE.
PROJECTS ARE EITHER COMPLETED OR TO THE POINT WE'RE NOT GONNA BORROW ANYMORE.
THEN YOU ROLL THE BANDS INTO THAT FORMAL BOND AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE PAYMENT FORWARD.
SO IT'D BE 70, APPROXIMATELY $73,000 BY MY MATH.
AND, BUT WE DO HAVE ALMOST $800,000 THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BORROW.
AND THOSE TWO FUNDS YOU ALLUDED TO POTENTIALLY YES, POTENTIALLY.
AND THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD.
THE DIFFERENCE BEING THOSE, ONCE THOSE FUNDS ARE SPENT, OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE, THEY WOULDN'T BE USE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT YES, THOSE ARE TWO FUNDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE SITTING TO BE UTILIZED BY THE, THE BOARD'S DISCRETION FOR RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES.
IS THIS SOME, I HEARD RUMORS THAT IT WAS MICHAEL'S BANQUET FACILITY.
IS THAT LIKE WHAT I MEAN BOARDS IN THE DARK AND THIS WE NEGOTIATING WITH AS FAR AS THIS WOULD BE? DO YOU KNOW? I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT, SO I, OKAY.
BECAUSE I AS A BOARD MEMBER DON'T KNOW.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS TO SPEND $2 MILLION TO BORROW IF TAXPAYER MONEY TO RENOVATE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T OWN.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, AS I OPENED MY COMMENTS SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER SPEND MONEY IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND A FEW MILLION BUCKS THAT WE MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE COMMUNITY CENTER AND NOT PUT, YOU KNOW, AND LOOK MORE PROGRESSIVE LONG-TERM APPROACH.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S MY, MY PREFERENCE.
BUT I MEAN, I KNOW THAT MR. FERRELL HAD CONCERNS, UM,
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RELATIVE TO THE VALUE.SO, OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE BONDS OUT TO PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NO EQUITY IN 'CAUSE WE DON'T OWN IT.
SO I, SO BASICALLY LIKE I WOULDN'T SPEND $2 MILLION TO RENOVATE APARTMENT I RENTED AS, AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
LIKE YOU WOULD, YOU MIGHT SPEND $2 MILLION TO BUY, UH, A BUILDING, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY AND IRRESPONSIBLE TO, TO RENOVATE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN OWNERSHIP IN INTEREST IN THE SAME WAY YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT.
AND THAT'S JUST MY, MY VIEW ON IT.
UM, BUT IT'LL BE WHAT IT'LL BE.
SO 90 DAYS BACK FROM JULY ONE IS GONNA PUT US AT ABOUT APRIL 1ST.
ABOUT HOW LONG, JUST GONNA REFERENCE LEGAL COUNSEL, HAVEN'T HAD TO DO A LEASE TO OWN OR A PURCHASE OF A PROPERTY.
ABOUT HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE US FROM THE TIME WE SIGN IT UNTIL THE TIME WE GET IN THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT A TIMELINE OF WHAT, LIKE ARE WE GONNA CUT SENIOR SERVICES? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES AND EVERY TRANSACTION'S DIFFERENT.
DO THEY EVER DO IT WHERE YOU HAVE LESS THAN 30 DAYS TO GET IN? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY TIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO.
ALL THE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN, DEPENDING ON THE COMPLEXITY, THE TRANSACTION IN LESS THAN 30 DAYS OR MORE THAN 30 DAYS.
BUT THAT IS NOT NEC EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT AT SOME POINT AND TECHNICALLY DEVELOP ON OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR VERY BRIEF FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A TALK CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT LENGTH.
AND, UH, IT WOULD BE WISE TO THE BOARD, ALWAYS ANY TRANSACTION LIKE THIS WOULD TO CONSULT BOND COUNCIL WITH A MORE, UH, THOROUGH, UH, REVIEW OF THE BOND RESOLUTION.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE, THE MIGHT BE ONE MIGHT BE ONE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT THE, UH, WHEN WE HAVE AN INDETERMINATE AMOUNT WHERE THE SCOPE IS NOT CLEARLY DEFINED, IT COULD RUN AND FOLLOW SOME OF THE, UH, REGULATIONS AND STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.
IT INVOLVES, UH, SECURITIES, SENESCENCE AND, UH, FILLABLES BY FEDERAL AGENCIES REGULATIONS.
SO THEREFORE, UM, THE, WHEN YOU COMPARE THE AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT TO THE AMOUNT THAT'S GOING TO BE BONDED, THERE'S STRICT, UH, REQUIREMENTS ON THE FACT THAT YOU CAN ONLY TAKE OUT BONDS FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE TYPICALLY OF THE PROJECT.
SO THAT PART IS VERY TRICKY AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT ULTIMATELY USE THEM, WE IN ONE FILE THE BONDING REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS.
SO, AND THAT'S WHY, AND IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, VERY NARROW SPECIFIC AREA BOND COUNCIL.
UH, IT'S A VERY SMALL NICHE AND THAT IT'S VERY HIGHLY, UH, UH, SENSITIVE AND SPECIFIC THEORY THAT THEY SHOULD DEFINITELY SPEND SOME TIME COUNSELING BOARD IMPORTANT.
SO IF WE DELAY THIS SECTION, PARTICULARLY IF WE DELAY THIS FOR TWO WEEKS THOUGH, WE'RE GOING TO BE CUTTING IT VERY CLOSE IN THAT 90 DAYS.
THAT IF, IF WE DO TAKE, SAY, SAY LUCK HAPPENS AND WE TAKE OWNERSHIP REALLY QUICKLY, WE'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE GONNA CUT IT CLOSE OF COLLECTING THE MONEY.
IF WE HAVE A PERFECT PROJECT IN PLACE AND MAINTAINING A CONTINUITY OF SENIOR SERVICES.
LIKE THIS IS THE BALANCE WE'RE RUNNING RIGHT NOW.
THE PROCESS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE OR THE BOND, ANY BOND TRANSACTION.
BUT THE FORTUNE PART HERE IS BECAUSE OF THE COURSE, EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS PUT FORWARD TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOME PLACE TO TRANSITION TO AS QUICKLY AND SEAMLESSLY AS POSSIBLE.
SENIORS ARE
SO THAT WOULD BE TO ME, AN INSURANCE TO THE SENIORS THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO DO WITH BUSINESS AND THERE'S VERY TECHNICAL AREA AND THEY NEED TO GET IT RIGHT AND THEY WILL DO THAT.
WE WILL BET THAT WE'LL ASSIST THE TOWN BOARD, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA LEAVE THE SENIORS HANGING EITHER.
WE HAVE RESERVES THAT'S FISCAL PRUDENCE.
IT'S BEEN PUT ASIDE EVERY YEAR FOR 10 YEARS UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PRIOR RELEASE.
AND SO THAT MONEY AND OTHER MONEY ARE BUILT.
AND WE DEFINITELY CAN'T USE THOUGH THE BOND TO REPLACE THOSE FUNDS ONCE WE DEPLETE THEM.
LIKE WE CAN'T SPEND THE $700,000 CORRECT.
THAT COSTS REQUIREMENTS, WHAT YOU CAN USE BONDS FOR, RIGHT? SO IF WE USE THOSE $700,000 TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, WE CAN'T GO BACK WITH THAT $2 MILLION BOND AND SAY, OKAY, WE OWE OURSELVES 700,000 BECAUSE WE ALREADY ALREADY PAID IT OUT.
SO ONCE THAT'S GONE, THAT'S GONNA BE GONE AND SURE, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO EXPLORE RATHER THAN FINANCE OPTIONS, THE MONIES THAT THAT WE HAVE.
AND, AND UM, I KNOW THERE'S A RESPITE CENTER THERE AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA KICK THOSE PEOPLE OUT.
I, I KNOW THE SUPERINTENDENT DOES NOT HAVE A PREFERENCE TO, TO DO THAT.
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ONLY HAVE 60 STUDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE AND THERE'S NO PLANS TO GO ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE.SO MY GOAL AND OBJECTIVE AND PURPOSE IS TO TRY TO BUILD OR REBUILD A RELATIONSHIP.
THAT, AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BOARD.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM VERY WELL.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING CONTRACTUALLY, UM, THAT WE WILL BE OUT 2025.
OUR CONTRACT, WE WILL BE OUT THE DOOR WHETHER, AND I'M GLAD THAT NOT PLAY NICE OR NOT.
AND I'M GLAD THAT THE SUPERVISOR ALLOWED YOU TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE PREVIOUSLY HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ALLOWED TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE NOW INVOLVED.
IS IT, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO I'M NOT REMEMBERING INCORRECTLY.
SO WE'RE ALREADY A YEAR AND A HALF TERMS. UM, THE OTHER THING I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CURRENTLY.
SO THERE ISN'T ANY MONIES FOR A LEASE OR FOR SOMETHING WE DON'T OWN.
UM, WE COULD POTENTIALLY OWN SOMETHING AND WE COULD LEASE TO OWN, I BELIEVE SO.
UM, JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, JUST WITH SAID MONIES, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK WITH ANYONE ON THE BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I WILL INFORM YOU AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, AS WILL MY STAFF, AS WILL THE SENIORS THAT ARE HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH YOUR UP.
UM, SO PLEASE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME AND COME TO THE CENTER ANYTIME.
'CAUSE WE REALLY DO WANNA WORK TOGETHER WITH THE BOARD, WITH THE SCHOOL, UM, WITH EVERYBODY.
AND THEN, UM, COUNCILMAN BROSKI, I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT EVENTUALLY I WANNA SITE LIKE THAT.
AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THE ICE RINK IS THAT THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED IS THAT THERE CAN ACTUALLY BE DIFFERENT PHASES.
WE DESIGNED IT SO THAT THERE CAN BE A PHASE TWO, A PHASE THREE.
OUR OFFICES COULD POTENTIALLY GO THERE.
WE CAN GET THE FIELD HOUSE THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET A SECOND SHEET OF ICE, WE CAN GET ALL OF THAT.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS ALL THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.
I I AND WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME.
WHAT WHAT, WHAT BOTHERED ME WHEN THE GENTLEMAN CAME FOR THE WORK SESSION IS I ASKED VERY POINTED SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE PROJECT.
THERE'S MECHANICALS AND THERE'S DIFFERENT ASPECTS.
UM, AND THEY, I HAD TALKED TO THE TOWN EMPLOYEES.
UH, I WENT TO THE ARENA LAST WEEK TO LOOK AND I TALKED TO THE TOWN EMPLOYEES AND THEY HAVE TWO COMPRESSORS.
THEIR CONCERN IS THAT THEY HAVE A, A PRIMARY AND A BATTERY.
THEIR CONCERN IS THEY DO NOT HAVE PARTS FOR THE COMPRESSOR, BUT THEY COULD CANNIBALIZE THE OTHER.
HOWEVER, WHAT, WHEN THE GENTLEMAN CAME FOR THE PRESENTATION, BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED AT, I'VE LOOKED AT WHAT THESE PLANS ARE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE OVERPAYING 'CAUSE WE HAVE WOODEN BENCHES AT THE NIKE BASE AND THEY WANNA RIP THOSE OUT AND PUT LIKE PARTICLE BOARD IN WITH SOME POLYESTER COVERS.
LIKE HOCKEY PLAYERS DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THAT.
WE CARE ABOUT ICE, WE CARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE LIKE IT TO BE AESTHETICALLY MORE PLEASING? YES.
BUT MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, THE $8 MILLION THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND $8 MILLION OUT AN ARENA AND THEN $2 MILLION ON THE SENIOR CENTER AND $5 MILLION ON A RENOVATION HERE, IF YOU HAVE THESE MONIES AVAILABLE, WHY NOT MAKE SOMETHING BETTER AND AND BIGGER? I KNOW, I KNOW THAT IT TAKES TIME.
SO I ASKED THE MAN HERE AND THEY KIND OF ANNOYED ME HONESTLY BECAUSE I DON'T, LIKE NO ONE LIKES WHEN THEY'RE BEING SNOWED.
AND I WAS ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF HAMBURG AND I'VE TALKED TO THEM AT LENGTH ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
AND I ASKED, WHAT IS IT? IF WE JUST FIX WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED WITHOUT THE FANCY STUFF? BECAUSE THEN MAYBE WE LOOK AT A BETTER ARENA OR LIKE IN JAMESTOWN WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, A WALKING PATH.
I DUNNO IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, BUT THEY HAVE, UH, A TRACK AROUND.
IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF WE JUST FIX THE BASICS.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S ABOUT 50 YEARS OLD AND THERE ARE NO PARKS TO FIX IT.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T, AND IT CURRENTLY GOES DOWN PRETTY CONSISTENTLY.
THE WINDSTORM THIS YEAR, IT WAS DOWN FOR TWO DAYS.
WE WERE ACTUALLY, UM, WE WENT DOWN FOUR DEGREES AND ALMOST HAD TO REMAKE THE ICE, WHICH IS ABOUT A THREE TO FIVE DAY PROCESS.
AND WOULD'VE HALTED NOT ONLY, UM, HOCKEY, BUT WOULD'VE HALTED SABA.
WE'RE ACTUALLY THE HOME ICE NOW FOR THE WOMEN'S, UH, HILBERT COLLEGE HOCKEY TEAM FOR BOTH HAMBURG AND, UH, FRONTIER HIGH SCHOOLS AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO LEARNING SKATE PUBLIC STATE.
SO ALL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HALTED.
UM, BASED ON, I CALL FRONTIER WAS GOING TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO HIGH OUR INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'VE LOST A LOT OF, UH, LOST A LOT OF USE OF THAT, THAT THEY'RE GOING ELSEWHERE BECAUSE THE TOWN HAS VERY STRICT REQUIREMENTS ON INSURANCE AND THAT SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS ARE GOING TO LEISURE RIGS AND ELSEWHERE, WHICH I CAN EXPLORE AT ANOTHER TIME.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD ASK, AND MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME, BECAUSE THE GUY FROM MOBERG BETS CAME, I ASKED HIM, I GO, WHAT IS THE BASIC COST TO FIX IT? SO WE HAVE ICE? 'CAUSE AS HOCKEY PLAYERS AND SKATERS, FIGURES GET OTHER PEOPLE, THEY WANT GOOD ICE, THEY WANT BOARDS.
AND THEY DID NOT EXTRAPOLATE THAT.
THEY ALSO DID NOT EXTRAPOLATE WHAT WAS THE COST.
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IF YOU'RE GONNA RENOVATE YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT? AND YOU GET A BID AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN A BOILER SYSTEM OR A HEATER, YOU HAVE WHAT IT'S GONNA COST FOR, FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, MEANING THE BOILER AND WHAT'S THE LABOR? AND THOSE WERE QUESTIONS THAT THE MAN CAME HERE AND HE SAID, GET BACK TO ME.HE DIDN'T, HE SEEMED UNCOMFORTABLE.
I LOOKED AT HIS BODY LIKE, COULD, COULD, COULD WE LIMIT THE DISCUSSION TO THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE US? UH, THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO BEFORE.
WE WANTED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO I'M PREPARED TO, UH, GO FORWARD ON, ON TABLING THESE MOTIONS.
MS. UH, GORMAN KING, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO SAY ON THE BOND RESOLUTION FOR THE SENIOR SENATE? NO.
UH, JUST AGAIN, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THE BOND RESOLUTION FOR THE SENIOR SENATE? SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE WITH A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING THE BOND RESOLUTION FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.
SO THAT BRINGS US ON TO RESOLUTION NUMBER SIX.
BOND RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, ERIE COUNTY, NEW YORK AUTHORIZES THE CONSTRUCTION OF RENOVATIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ICE RINK STATING THE MAXIMUM ESTIMATED COST THEREOF IS $7,500,000 APPROPRIATING SET AMOUNT, THEREFORE, AND AUTHORIZING ISSUANCE OF UP TO $7,500,000 IN SERIAL BONDS AT THE TOWN TO FINANCE SET APPROPRIATIONS.
WHEREAS THE TOWN BOARD AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, ERIE COUNTY, NEW YORK, PROPOSES TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF $7,500,000 IN SERIAL BONDS AT THE TOWN OF FINANCE AND CONSTRUCTION OF RENOVATIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ICE RINK, LOCATED AT 29 80 LAKEVIEW ROAD, HAMBURG, NEW YORK 1 4 0 7 5 AT AN ESTIMATED MAXIMUM COST OF $7,500,000.
AND WHEREAS THE BOARD DETERMINED THE PROJECT CONSTITUTES A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT AND THE REGULATIONS PROMULGATED THERE UNDER AND THEREFORE NO FURTHER ACTION NEED BE TAKEN BY THE BOARD UNDER SEEKER AS A PRECONDITION TO THE ADOPTION OF THIS RESOLUTION.
AND WHEREAS THE BOARD NOW WISHES TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR THEIR PROJECT AND TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF THE TOWN SERIAL BONDS AND BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES TO BE ISSUED TO FINANCE THE AFOREMENTIONED SPECIFIC OBJECT OR PURPOSE.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, ERIE COUNTY, NEW YORK AS FOLLOWS, SECTIONS ONE THROUGH 14 AGAIN AS LISTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION WITH A SECOND FOLLOWED BY A MOTION TO TABLE THE RESOLUTION.
I SECOND THE MOTION TABLE THE RESOLUTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND TO TABLE THE RESOLUTION.
ANYBODY LIKE TO BE HEARD ON? UH, TAPING THE RESOLUTION FOR THE ICE ARENA? YEAH.
YOU JUST, JUST STATE YOUR NAME.
I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HAWKS.
UM, FRANK, WE ACTUALLY DO SPEAK.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME.
UM, CONCERN IS, I'M NOT THE FINANCE GUY BY ANY MEANS FOR SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, $8 MILLION.
MY CONCERN IS EVERY YEAR WE CROSS OUR FINGERS AND HOPE THAT THING HAS ICE.
AND IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ICE, WHAT DO WE DO WITH ALL THESE KIDS AND FAMILIES THAT, THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THIS ICE? IT'S NOT AN OVERNIGHT PROJECT.
IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE, YOU KNOW, IN A DAY TO FIX THESE THINGS, THESE COMPRESSORS.
I'M NOT LINBERG, I'M NOT THE MECHANICS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY YEAR I'VE TALKED TO OUR FOREMANS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE AND THERE'S NO PARTS AVAILABLE.
IF THESE THINGS GO DOWN, WE'RE DONE.
YOU KNOW, FRANK, I KNOW YOU'RE A HOCKEY COACH.
THERE'S NOT AN EXTRA ICE TO BE HAD IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
YOU KNOW, WE GO DOWN, WE'RE DONE.
YOU KNOW, WE WENT DOWN YEARS AGO.
WE WERE DONE IN FEBRUARY, THANK GOD WE HAD THE ENTIRE OFF SEASON.
WE'RE PROBABLY DONE FOR THE SEASON.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO SECOND HOME FOR US TO GO TO.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT FUNDS YOU HAVE AVAILABLE IF THIS THING GOES DOWN.
BUT EVERY YEAR WE CROSS OUR FINGERS AND HOLD.
AND I DID LOOK AT THOSE COMPRESSORS.
WHAT THE EMPLOYEES TOLD ME WAS THAT, AND THEY LOOKED, I MEAN THEY LOOKED, THEY'RE OLD, BUT THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY'RE WELL, THEY'RE WELL MAINTAINED.
UM, WHAT THEY TOLD ME WAS THAT THEY COULD USE PARTS FROM ONE TO THE, TO THE OTHER, UH, TO FIX THOSE.
SO WHEN WE HAD, UM, REPRESENTATIVE KATE HERE, WHAT I, 'CAUSE I 'CAUSE WHAT I ENVISION AND, AND I THINK MAYBE I COULD GET BEHIND THIS, IS FIXING WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED WITHOUT ALL THE OTHER FLUFF.
BECAUSE MY VISION AND, AND I TALKED TO MS. GORMAN IS, AND I, AND I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME, IS TO HAVE A DUAL RINK OR, OR A SPORTS COMPLEX.
MY DAUGHTER USED TO RUN FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, IN HIGH SCHOOL AND ALL THE KIDS, THEY HAD NO TRACK.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO HOUGHTON
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COLLEGE IN ALLEGHENY COUNTY 'CAUSE THERE'S NO TRACK FOR KIDS TO RUN.I REMEMBER BEING AT OCEAN BREEZE AND STATEN ISLAND AND THEY HAD THOSE, UH, WITHIN THE TRACK.
THEY HAD AREAS WITH, THEY HAD NETTING SO KIDS COULD PLAY BASEBALL AND LACROSSE IS MY THOUGHT IS WHY NOT HAVE A MULTI-SPORT COMPLEX WHERE THE LEISURE LAND AREA USED TO BE PUT A, A NEON SIGN UP, OR NOT EVEN NEON, LED SIDE.
WE HAVE, WE COULD HOUSE TOURNAMENTS.
MY, UH, MY TEAM JUST PLAYED IN HYDE PARK AND THEY, I WAS AT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME, FORGOT THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT, BUT THERE WAS A TEAM FROM KITCHENER IN THERE.
THERE WERE A DOZEN OF US PLAYERS AND PARENTS WERE HAVING A GOOD TIME.
AND IT WOULD BE AN ECONOMIC BOOM OR WE COULD HOST TRACK MEETS.
BECAUSE IF YOU FIGURE THERE'S NO PLACE TO HOST INDOOR TRACK MEETS OUTSIDE OF HOUGHTON AND THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF KIDS THAT GO THERE DURING THE WINTER EVERY SATURDAY.
SO I PLEDGED TO YOU, I I'M GONNA KEEP LOOKING INTO IT AND I'M GONNA TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COST IS, IS JUST FOR THOSE COMPRESSORS BECAUSE I THINK I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET BEHIND THAT PROJECT.
BUT I THINK THEY'RE OVERCHARGING US FOR LIKE, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PROJECT FOR SOME OF THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION ASPECTS OF IT, AND THERE'S NOT A DETAILED ANALYSIS AND I, YOU KNOW, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
I I, I LOVE THE BIG PICTURE IDEA, BUT TIME IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS HAVE.
I THINK THE DIFFICULT PART TOO IS THAT, UM, AS I ASKED THE QUESTION BEFORE, AND WE REALLY AREN'T SURE ABOUT THE TERM, EVEN 30 YEAR, I MEAN, I KNOW WHEN WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK AND WE TRIED TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE NUMBERS, IT WAS PREDICATED ON 30 YEAR.
NOW WE FIND OUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE 30 YEAR, WHICH WILL RAISE THAT COST.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A FIRM NUMBER ON, UM, THE INTEREST RATE AND ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SITUATION WITH MR. ESTONIA TODAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HE QUICKLY DID THE FIGURES ON 1 MILLION FOR, UM, UH, 30 YEARS AND IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE 70,000.
SO NOW YOU TAKE THAT TO 15 MILLION AND YOU TAKE IT MAYBE LESS YEARS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN'T DO 30 YEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT MIGHT BE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND THAT WILL DEFINITELY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE, THE TAX RATE FOR EVERYONE.
SO WE DO HAVE TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THESE AREN'T IMPORTANT ISSUES, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THEM RIGHT BECAUSE THIS WILL HAVE A LONG-TERM EFFECT ON EVERYONE.
NOT, YOU KNOW, SENIORS, YOUTH, AND EVERYONE IN BETWEEN NOW AND IN THE FUTURE GENERATIONS.
AND WE HOPE OUR YOUTH STAY HERE AND, AND GROW IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT AND A VERY INVOLVED AND A, UM, A VERY, UH, COMPLEX, UM, EQUATION.
AND WE NEED TO GIVE A A DUE DILIGENCE.
I KNOW A LOT HAS BEEN PUT IN BY, UM, UM, MRS. KING AND MANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS.
THEY'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN AND THAT'S APPRECIATED.
BUT I JUST THINK THERE'S MORE THAT WE NEED TO DO OR WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK MAYBE AT A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ANGLE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE ISSUES, BUT, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE, THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT AND, AND THEY WILL IMPACT TAXES FOR EVERYONE GOING FORWARD.
AND IF YOU'RE TALKING 30 YEARS, THAT EVEN KEEPS IT LOWER, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN'T, WE'RE, WE HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ASSURED THAT THE, THE LIFE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS WILL BE 30 YEARS.
SO IT, IT DOES NEED FURTHER, FURTHER EXPLORATION.
YOU TAKE, TAKE OUT, I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING THIS, WOULD YOU TAKE A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE OUT IF YOU KNEW YOUR HOUSE WAS GONNA EXPLODE IN 20? WELL, YEAH.
WAIT, I'LL SAY, I'LL COME BACK.
I DON'T NEED BELLS AND WHISTLES.
I JUST NEED A SHEET OF OF ICE.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ICE THEN, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA EXPLORE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
BECAUSE I ALSO ASKED, WE HAD A WORK SESSION, EXCUSE ME, AND THE WORK SESSION, THE MAN CAME HERE 'CAUSE THEY SAID THERE WAS A PHASE TO ADD ON A SECOND SHEET OF ICE.
I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION, THE GUY COULDN'T ANSWER IT.
'CAUSE I'M LIKE, IF I'M GONNA VOTE, SPEND ALL THIS MONEY.
CAN I TEACH? SO THE BIDS ACTUALLY WEREN'T IN AT THAT TIME.
SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY HE COULDN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UM, THEY WEREN'T OPEN UNTIL I BELIEVE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
SO WHEN HE ACTUALLY DID THE PRESENTATION, HE WAS MORE, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, WHAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FROM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER, UM, INPUT AND EVERYTHING WE HAD DONE.
BUT THEY WEREN'T COLD HARD NUMBERS IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST IF WE ADDED ANOTHER, UH, SHEET OF ICE FOR, I MEAN MY PREFERENCE IS TO PUT IN A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION LIKE MCKINLEY PARK IN OR THERE WAS FLOATED PROPOSALS AT SOUTH SHORE PLAZAS WITH UH, UH, DAVID STAPLETON FROM DAVID, UH, DAVID HOLMES.
MORE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT INVOLVED.
UM, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU KNOW, THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THROUGH, BUT AT THE EXISTING LOCATION, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO PUT A SECOND? WE SPENT 8 MILLION BUCKS.
YOU KNOW, WE DID INVESTIGATE THAT BECAUSE BASED ON A, UM, I BELIEVE THEY DID A STATISTICAL STUDY OF COMMUNITIES THAT IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UM, IN YOUR POPULATION OR LESS, YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE ONE SHEET, UM, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF, UM, PEOPLE YOU HAVE.
SO WHAT WE FOCUSED ON WAS FIXING THE SHEET THAT WE HAVE AS WELL AS, UM, IT'S NOT JUST, JUST TO REITERATE, IT'S NOT JUST HOCKEY AND
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ICE.WE ALSO UTILIZE THIS FOR OUR SUMMER DAY CAMP, UM, FOR OUR EIGHT WEEK DAY CAMP.
AND WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH IT BECAUSE IT LEAKS FROM THE CEILING, UM, YOU KNOW, NUMEROUS OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.
UM, IT'S EXTREMELY HOT IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO AIR CIRCULATION.
UM, AND WE ALSO JUST TO, UH, ADD TO YOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING OTHER SPORTS AND EVERYTHING, WE HAVE LOOKED INTO TURF, UM, WHICH WE CAN'T PUT IN CURRENTLY NOW BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CONCRETE AND THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD WITH IT AND WARPING.
BUT IF WE DO IT AFTERWARDS, WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE, UM, EVERY SINGLE HOUR AFTER CAMP ENDS TILL ABOUT 10, 11 O'CLOCK.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE LEAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, COME AND TAKE IT.
AND THEN JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY IF THE ICE DOES GO DOWN AND THEY ARE GONNA PUT EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER, THAT TAKES A MINUTE.
SO AGAIN, THE ICE WILL NOTE, WE'LL HAVE TO REMAKE IT, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT COST.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO ELSEWHERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET 'EM BACK.
SO THAT'LL IMPACT OUR REVENUE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, HILBERT RENTS EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM US EVERY MORNING.
YOU'RE TALKING THREE TO 4,000 A WEEK, UH, THAT WE MAKE OFF ICE, THAT WE WOULD LOSE THIS NEW FACILITY TOO.
EVERYTHING WENT OUT FOR COMPETITIVE BID.
AND THEN NOT ONLY WAS IT GONNA BENEFIT THE HOCKEY PROGRAM, BUT WE HAD, YOU HAD BUILT IN LIKE A SNACK AREA THAT HAD, THAT'S OUTDOOR ACCESS.
SO WHEN THEY'RE THERE FOR OX SOCCER OR THE BMX OR THEY HAVE A SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT THERE, WHICH THEY USUALLY USED TO HAVE A NATIONAL SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT AT THOSE FIELDS.
THERE WOULD BE ACCESS TO BATHROOMS, SNACK AREA, STAGING AREA FACILITIES.
BUT BATHROOMS ARE BEING FUNDED, I THINK BY A DIFFERENT SOURCE.
SO THE BATHROOM SEPARATE, BE IN A SEPARATE LOCATION.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INSIDE THE ICE RINK THAT WILL OPEN BOTH FROM THE INSIDE AND THE OUTSIDE.
SO IN THAT LOCATION, SINCE THOSE BATHROOMS ARE SO FAR APART, THERE WILL BE OUTSIDE BATHROOMS ON BOTH ENDS OF THE 300.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I AND THE NIKE BASE, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
SO IF YOU HAD LIKE A BIG NATIONAL LIKE SOFTBALL TOUR YES.
LIKE IT UP UNTIL TWO YEARS AGO, IT WAS ALWAYS AT THE NIKE BASE.
IF IT CAME BACK PRIOR TO THAT, OUR FACILITIES WERE LACKING.
THE REASON WHY THEY GROUP LEFT.
BUT THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THAT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST A SO OR HOCKEY PROGRAM AND CORRECT.
IT WAS ALL PUT OUT FOR, OR US.
IT WAS ALL PUT OUT FOR COMPETITIVE BIDS.
SO THIS PRICING IS BASED ON THE MOST, LIKE, IT'S NOT JUST, AND IT'S VERY PAIRED DOWN.
UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS, IT'S BEEN GOING SINCE 2021.
UM, THE GROUPS HAVE BEEN MEETING, YOU KNOW, MONTHLY AND IT STARTED, UH, WHEN EVERYTHING CAME BACK AT 13.1 MILLION.
SO WE HAVE DEFINITELY PAIRED DOWN FROM THERE.
AND JUST, UM, ONE MORE THING TO ADD WITH THE COMPRESSOR.
UM, IT'S NOT JUST A COMPRESSOR BECAUSE IF THE PIPES BURST UNDERNEATH THE FLOOR, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FREEZE YOUR ICE EITHER.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORKING PARTNER BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT SAVING THOSE PIPES, RIGHT.
AND IT WAS JUST THEY WERE AGED OUT.
SO CAN WE JUST, CAN WE, I JUST WANT TO HAVE SOME ORDER TO, TO FLOW OF THE CONVERSATION HERE.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
I I YOU'VE HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOUNDS OKAY.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE SOME, SOME CONTEXT TO WHERE THIS PROJECT ORIGINATED FROM.
AS, UM, MS. GORMAN KING MENTIONED 2021.
THE ONLY MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD THAT WAS HERE WAS COUNCIL MEMBER FARRELL LORENZ.
THESE IDEAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FINANCE TONIGHT, THEY WERE NOT OUR IDEAS.
THEY WERE NOT THE TOWN BOARD'S IDEAS, THEY WERE NOT YOUR IDEAS.
THEY WERE NOT MARTY DEKES IDEAS.
THESE WERE THE IDEAS OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STANDING BEHIND YOU, SABA, THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT USE THE ICE.
AND OUR DESIGN CONSULTANT ENGAGED IN A ROBUST OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT THE PEOPLE OF HAMBURG THOUGHT WE NEEDED.
AND YES, THE LIST WAS MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, EVEN IF WE WERE ABLE TO BORROW THIS MONEY.
WHEN I TOOK OFFICE, IT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME THAT A FULL RENOVATION WITH ONE PAD OF ICE WOULD BE FIVE TO $7 MILLION.
IF YOU WANTED TWO PADS, IT'D BE 10 TO $12 MILLION.
AND THAT SOUNDED LIKE A PRETTY GOOD DEAL.
HOWEVER, THE PRICE OF CONSTRUCTION, THE PRICE OF SUPPLIES HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND TO DO WHAT WE WANT, A FULL RENOVATION WITH US AS DIRECTOR GORMAN KING MENTIONED WOULD BE $13.1 MILLION.
NOW THE OTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT I THINK IS VALUABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL AS TO THE BOARD, LAST YEAR THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED SPENDING OVER $2 MILLION IN THE ICE COOLING EQUIPMENT.
AND WE DID SO WITH THE RESOLUTION THAT SAID WE WERE GONNA PAY FOR IT IN ONE OF TWO WAYS THROUGH A BOND OR THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL IMPLICATION.
WE'RE BUYING THIS EQUIPMENT WHEN WE'VE ORDERED IT, WE PUT A DEPOSIT DOWN.
THIS IS SO SPECIALIZED THAT WE HAD TO ORDER IT LAST YEAR TO GET IT NEXT YEAR.
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DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHOICE.IF WE WERE GONNA DO THIS, WE HAD TO PULL THE TRIGGER.
SO IF WE DON'T BORROW THEN WE'RE TAKING A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS OUT AT THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT ALSO HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPLICATIONS ON PROPERTY TAXES.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD, I THINK DAN WAS NEXT.
OH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, I JUST, IT'S TWO WEEKS GONNA HURT, KILL, DESTROY THIS PROJECT.
SO WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION DONE.
AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THE PLANS DONE OFF A LOT OF ESTIMATING AND CONSTRUCTION STREAMS AND FINANCING AND CONTRACTS AND GETTING EVERYTHING DONE THAT WAY.
UH, WHAT WHAT, UH, SUPERVISOR HO SAID WAS RIGHT, WE WE'VE GOT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ICE, WE GOT, WE GOT COMPRESSORS COMING AND HE DID APPROVE TO ACTUALLY BUST UP THE CONCRETE NEW LINES AND COOLING.
SO YOUR ICE MAKING EQUIPMENT WILL BE SOLID.
THAT'S A GREAT THING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I, I WANNA CLEAR THAT UP BECAUSE IN, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, IN TALKING, YOU KNOW, I HEAR, UH, SO THE WAY I, WE NEED TO HAVE A MAYBE I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A WORK SESSION WHERE WE SHOULD GET ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE FINANCES IMMEDIATELY, LIKE THIS WEEK.
AND WE SHOULD PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
SO KEN, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM FOR ME, NOT FROM WHAT I'M GONNA CALL YOU IS YEAH.
THE WAY IT'S BEEN SOLD TO ME IS THAT, IS THAT THIS IS, IF WE DON'T DO THIS THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ICE.
BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WE ALREADY ALLOCATED WELL TO FIX THOSE THINGS AS MR. HO JUST SAID IN THEORY.
SO IT WAS ALWAYS PART OF A PLAN TO BORROW FOR THIS.
WE MOVE FORWARD BEFORE YOU GENTLEMEN CAME ON BOARD AND UM, LIKE THAT WAS, IT WAS 12, $13 MILLION WAS THE ORIGINAL SCOPE.
UM, SO THAT INCLUDE THE COMPRESSORS THAT I LOOKED AT THAT THAT'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THOSE.
SO THAT ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED.
THE 7.2 IS IS INCLUDES THE 2.2 THAT WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY, UH, WE WERE ALREADY SPENT.
WE HAVE DEPOSITS ON EQUIPMENT AND IT'S ON ITS WAY.
YOU'VE SEEN HOW
I DON'T WANT US COMMIT TO TOWN TAXPAYERS TO SEE MY CONCERN TO SPENDING ADDITIONAL MONEY.
IT'S LIKE, OKAY, IF WE FIX WHAT WE HAVE RELATIVE TO THE 2 MILLION THAT PEOPLE CAN STILL SKATE.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT AS THE, AS THE COACH SAID OR VICE PRESIDENT SAID, THEN WE COULD EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS AS FAR AS ARENAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN THAT, THE MAIN THING IS REALLY THE ICE.
AND, AND IN MY VIEW, THIS, THIS IS THE BANDAID THAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR.
SO WE GOT A BANDAID ON SOMETHING THAT'S BROKEN AND DIED.
UH, YOUR ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS ARE OUTDATED.
ALL THE DRYING, AIR DRYING EQUIPMENT'S OUT THE, THERE'S NO DEHUMIDIFICATION IN THERE.
IT'S RUSTING THE BUILDING FROM THE INSIDE OUT.
SO THE WHOLE PLAN, WHEN THIS BUILDING ENVELOPE WAS GONE THROUGH THE, THE, THEY HAD THE BEST OF THE BEST IN THE AREA GO THROUGH THIS BUILDING AND PUT THIS PROJECT TOGETHER AND THEN IT WAS WHITTLED DOWN.
AND THE REASON WE CAME IN AT $3.32 MILLION IS DO YOU USE MICROPHONE? I'M SORRY.
WE CAME IN AT 3.7 0.3 TO 3 MILLION ALL IN THAT WAS GOING TO BE DOING ALL THE ALTERNATES.
SO WE PUT ABOUT NINE ALTERNATES IN THE GENERAL CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT TO, TO PIECEMEAL OUT CERTAIN THINGS SO WE CAN, WE CAN SIT DOWN TOGETHER AND YOU CAN, WE'LL WALK THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ALTERNATE.
I, I'M, I'LL TALK YOUR EARS OFF ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF.
WELL, LET'S DO THAT ANOTHER TIME.
SO, BUT I DO WANT CIRCLE BACK TO HOW I WOULD LIKE TO, THIS IS GONNA HANG ON A SECOND.
WE WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE THE VOTE UNTIL THE PUBLIC HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WELL, RIGHT.
BUT YOU WE'RE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION AND EVERYONE INFORMATION AS FAR AS THE TIMING, THIS TWO WEEKS, WE NEED TO WORK QUICK TOGETHER AND DECISIVELY TO, TO COME UP WITH A, A SOLUTION BECAUSE IF WE BLOW THIS WINDOW, IT, IT TAKES LIKE A MONTH TO GET CONTRACT SIGNED TO GET TO GET INSURANCES IN PLACE.
BUT MY THING IS, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC.
BELIEVE ME, I WANT BE'S APPROPRIATE.
WELL, LISTEN, I MEAN I I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF MOTION.
BUT ASK EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK CONS.
THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN I HAD IS THAT BACK IN 2020 WE, WE BONDED, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME THAT THE, THE TOWN BONDED.
AND WE TOOK IT VERY SERIOUSLY.
INTEREST RATES WERE EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY LOW.
WE BONDED FOR OUR LED PROJECT AND AT THAT POINT, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CONNOLLY, UM, PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN WITH OUR ENGINEER, CAMBY, GERALD, BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFIED THIS AND WE DID BOND FOR ABOUT $2 MILLION SPECIFICALLY.
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AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WAS JUST THAT TO FIX THOSE ESSENTIALS SO THAT IT WOULD BUY US A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE, COHESIVE PLAN.I NEVER THOUGHT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS JUST TILL WE DID THE NEXT FIVE OR $10 MILLION.
THAT'S NOT HOW IT WAS PRESENTED.
SO I GUESS MY CONCERN WAS TO FIND OUT, BECAUSE I KNOW IN OUR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK, I ACTUALLY FOUND THAT ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THAT 2 MILLION.
AND A LOT OF THAT INSTEAD WAS USED TO PLAN FOR THE NEXT 5 MILLION INSTEAD OF TAKING CARE OF GETTING THE BASICS DONE.
SO WE COULD HAVE ASSURED OUR HOCKEY TEAMS THAT THEY HAD AT LEAST ICE.
SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF MY TREPIDATION COMES.
AND WHERE I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS SHOULD, WE SHOULD GET THAT.
UM, THE THING ABOUT THAT POND AND THIS ONE IS THAT WAS VERY OPEN-ENDED BOND, UH, REPORT.
LIKE WHAT WAS THAT MONEY TO BE SPENT FOR? SO YOU HAD A, A SEPTIC FIELD THAT WENT BAD.
THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT WENT SIDEWAYS AND IT AND THE REPAIRS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE FIT IN THAT BOND.
THIS BOND IS SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT AND EVERYTHING'S OUTLINED ENT TIED TO IT.
SO THERE WON'T BE ANY, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A HELICOPTER LANDING PAD OR ANYTHING LIKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT UP THERE.
I KNOW YOU WANT IT
UM, BUT SO I WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN, I'LL TALK, SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING THROUGH AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE COMFORTABLE WHATEVER DECISION YOU GO WITH, IT'S YOUR DECISION.
AND WE WERE ALSO ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AND BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST THE SPENDING HABITS OF THE FORMER BOARD.
AND SO WE HAVE ALL THESE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND I KNOW YOU WORK FOR THE TOWN, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT, AND SO WE JUST DON'T PRINT MONEY OUT OF THE SKY.
AND SO I, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN AMHERST, OKAY? YEP.
AND, AND PEOP AT 100% ASSESSMENT AND I WAS TALKING TO RESIDENTS IN AMHERST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS SPEND MORE MONEY.
ANYONE CAN COME IN HERE AND TELL ME, OH WE NEED THIS, WE NEED THAT.
BUT PEOPLE ELECTED MR. COZA AND I, BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST THE SPENDING HABIT TO THE SUPERVISOR.
AND THAT'S, AND, AND, AND FOUR YEARS FROM NOW WHEN I RUN AND ONE YEAR WHEN MR. HULK RUNS, THIS IS A DEMOCRACY.
THEY WILL, THEY WILL VOTE IF, IF I CHOOSE TO RUN.
SO I WAS VERY ELECTED FOR A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
PEOPLE TELL ME EVERY DAY, THEY DON'T LIKE THE AMOUNT, THEY DON'T LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TOWN.
THEY DON'T LIKE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
PEOPLE LEAVE NEW YORK EVERY DAY, EVERY SINGLE DAY.
A LOT OF MY FRIENDS BECAUSE WE JUST KEEP SPENDING PEOPLE'S MONEY.
I DO, I AM A HOCKEY COACH AND I DO THINK WE NEED, I TOLD YOU, I THINK WE NEED TWO RIGS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BANDAID ON A, ON A PROJECT WHEN I THINK WE SHOULD DO A BETTER PROJECT.
SO I WANT THE MINIMUM THAT WE CAN SPEND SO PEOPLE CAN PLAY HOCKEY, BIGGER SKATERS CAN SKATE PEOPLE CAN CAN HAVE THEIR THINGS AND LOOK AT SOMETHING BETTER AND GET THE MOST MONEY THAT WE CAN.
BUT WE KEEP GOING OVER AND OVER.
YOU'VE TOLD ME KEN, HOW YOU FEEL.
SO WHEN DO YOU WANNA MEET? LET'S SET UP SOME THINGS.
WE, WE WILL, WE HAVE A LONG LINE OF HACK OF FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
SO I THINK YOU QUICK, I I JUST WANNA BE VERY CLEAR, THE 2 MILLION THAT EVERYBODY'S REFERENCING DOES NOT EXIST.
IT'S JUST TWO BOMB SOMETHING OR TWO TAKE IT FROM SOMEWHERE FROM, SO THERE'S NOT 2 MILLION A POT SITTING THERE SPECIFICALLY FROM OUR FUND BALANCE.
WHICH WE TAKE IT FROM THE FUND BALANCE.
THAT WOULD AFFECT OUR, OUR BORROWING, OUR BOND RATING.
AND ALSO WOULD RESULT IN A MAJOR PROPERTY TAGS AND IMPACTS.
UH, FIRST OFF, I MOVED HERE FROM AMHERST.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO ALL THE TIME.
AMHERST IS OVERDEVELOPED AND LIKE I SAID, I WOULD NOT MOVE BACK PERSONALLY.
SO, BUT WHAT I MEANT WAS WE JUST HAD A PRE, MAYBE BEFORE YOU CAME IN A PRESENTATION FROM A DEVELOPER WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET US TO CHANGE ZONING RULES SO THEY COULD ADD MORE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN TO THESE MEETINGS BEFORE SURE.
BECAUSE DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU IS GETTING DEVELOPED AND WE'VE COME AND THE BOARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN I THINK PRETTY RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS.
UM, I DO COME HERE WEARING MANY HATS.
MY BOYS PARTICIPATE IN THE FOOTBALL PROGRAMS, THE FLAG FOOTBALL PROGRAMS THAT TAKE PLACE OUTSIDE THE NIKE BASE.
I MEAN WE BASICALLY LIVE AT THE NIKE BASE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN IT LOOKED LIKE THE PROGRAM MIGHT BE MOVING TO THAT MCKINLEY LOCATION, I HAVE FOUR BOYS.
THEY CRIED WHEN I SAID OH THAT MIGHT BE THE NEW SITE.
IF WE HAD TWO PADS, YOU KNOW I'M THE ICE SCHEDULER FOR THE HAWKS, I THINK IT COULD BE UTILIZED.
BUT THOSE COMPRESSORS ARE 54 YEARS OLD, 52 YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT.
AND WHILE IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A FACILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, I COACH IN SPRINGVILLE, MY INDOOR TRACKING TO COME AND USE AND NOT HAVE TO GO TO HOUGHTON.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, PHASES MAKE SENSE TO ME.
I DON'T TRY AND REBUILD MY HOUSE ALL AT ONCE.
I ADD EACH YEAR WE DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
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DO AND WHAT IS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.AND RIGHT NOW THE COMPRESSORS, THE ICE, ANYTHING ON THE INSIDE, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED AS THE ICE SCHEDULE FOR THE OX.
IF FRONTIER DECIDES TO MOVE COMPLETELY OVER TO KAUS, I RENT ICE AS THE ICE SCHEDULER FOR THE HAWKS OF KAUS.
THE ELKS ARE THERE, WE'RE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY'RE KICKING OUT.
I SOUTHTOWN STARS, WE PRACTICE SOUTHTOWN STARS, BRANDON NACHO RENTS THERE.
BUT YEAH, SO PRACTICES, IT'S, I MEAN TALKING TO BRAD JOHN AND GRANT STEVENS, IT'S FULL.
AND I KNOW TALKING TO THE OTHER RINK MEMBERS, IT'S FULL.
AND WITH THE TIMELINE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AS THE ICE SCHEDULER, I WAS TOLD WE STILL MIGHT NOT HAVE THE RINK OPEN ON TIME WHERE WE'RE USED TO IT.
SO I'M ALREADY SCRAMBLING, CONTACTING PLACES AND BEING TOLD WE'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFICULTY GETTING YOU ICE IN SEPTEMBER, IN OCTOBER.
THE NIKE BASE IS NOT THAT OPEN.
SO I, I MEAN I REALLY IMPLORE YOU TO PLEASE DO WHATEVER YOU CAN CASABA US.
THERE'S A LOT OF PROGRAMS, A LOT OF KIDS WHO, YOU KNOW, HOCKEY PLAYERS OR JUST KIDS WHO GET TO GET ON THE ICE AND GET TO MOVE ON.
YOU KNOW THOSE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, THOSE GLIDER THINGS.
THE SABA KIDS ARE, I MEAN IT'S PUBLIC SKATES, GATE AND SHOOT.
YEAH, I WELL WE'RE KIND OF SPLIT HERE THOUGH BECAUSE, BECAUSE IF, IF YOUR CAR'S BREAKING DOWN, YOU GOTTA FIX IT.
EVEN THOUGH YOU REALLY LIKE A NICE NEW CAR.
LIKE YOU, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA TAKE CARE OF YOUR BASIC NEEDS BEFORE YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR BELLS AND WHISTLES.
THAT'S WHERE WE COMPLETELY AGREE.
BUT POSTPONING EVERYTHING AND THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING EVERYTHING, I DON'T KNOW IF THE RISK IS WORTH THE REWARD BECAUSE WE CAN DO IT IN PHASES.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD YOUR CHILDREN ARE, BUT I REMEMBER GETTING CHANGED, GETTING CHANGED IN MY SONS IN STORAGE CONTAINERS IN EAST AURORA SO THEY COULD PLAY ON THAT OUTDOOR RINK.
AND THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY RIGHT NOW AND THEIR KEY ADDING TO IT, THEY BOUGHT MORE LAND, THEY'RE GONNA ADD MORE TO IT FOR MORE LACROSSE.
I HAVE ALSO RENTED THE NIKE BASE TO DO BOX LACROSSE PRACTICES.
HEY, HYL DOES USUALLY RENT THE INDOOR FACILITY.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR GAMES, BUT IT CAN BE USED FOR PRACTICES.
I MEAN IT, IT'S USED FOR SO MUCH AND IT IS SUCH A VALUABLE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I'VE ALSO HEARD PEOPLE SAY IT'S JUST TOO FAR OUT THERE.
I MEAN TEAMS ARE GOING, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE GOING FROM THE SOUTHBOUND STARS, THEY'RE GOING FROM EVERYWHERE TO GET TO CAT ROGERS.
AND THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING WE NEED.
SO I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
'CAUSE MY ONE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT DO WE DO WHEN THE COMPRESSORS GO DOWN AT 54 YEARS OLD? I DON'T HAVE MUCH.
THERE'S NOTHING IN MY HOUSE THAT'S PROBABLY 54 YEARS OLD AT THIS POINT.
MY HOUSE IS A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
SO OTHER THAN THE WALLS IN IT, I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN REPLACED.
AND YOU KNOW, THE NIKE BASE NEEDS THAT SAME ATTENTION THAT WE GIVE TO OUR HOMES.
IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED LIKE THE, THE INNARDS OF IT.
SO MR. MARVIN, I THINK YOU, FOR YOUR COMMENTS WE'RE PROBABLY YEAH, AROUND THREE MINUTES.
I'VE BEEN WITH DANIEL BUR COX OVER 35 YEARS.
DID YOU STAY OR JUST
SO I'VE BEEN THERE FOR UH, 37 YEARS AS A COACH, NOT AS A PLAYER.
I PLAYED FOR THE S BUT JUST LOOKING BACK THERE, THOSE KIDS THAT CAME HERE TO SIT HERE TODAY, I KNOW THEY'RE HOCKEY PLAYERS AND IT'S ALL ABOUT HOCKEY.
THERE'S A YOUNG GIRL BACK THERE.
SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT FACILITIES TO GET CHANGED IN.
SHE GETS CHANGED IN BOYS' LOCKER ROOM STILL.
THERE ARE NO GIRLS FACILITIES STUFF THAT WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT.
YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN H TWIN RINGS ALL OVER THE NEWS.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TRAVEL TEAMS COME AND TALK TO PLAY US AT THAT RING? WE'VE HAD THE SYRACUSE TEAMS THERE.
WE'VE HAD TEAMS ALL OVER WEST NEW YORK AND CENTRAL NEW YORK.
THAT'S THE PRODUCT WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW.
I LOVE TO HAVE A DOUBLE RINK, FRANK.
YOU KNOW, THAT I COACH RING BY THE WAY YEARS AGO.
BUT I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A DOUBLE RANK TO SHOWCASE US, MAKE US A BETTER ORGANIZATION.
BUT HOW MANY YEARS IS THAT GONNA TAKE? LOOK HOW MANY YEARS WE SPENT TRYING TO GET ONE RINK DONE AGAIN.
I MIGHT NOT BE AROUND ANOTHER 20, BUT, UH, WE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF THE KIDS NOW.
YOU'VE GOT HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS, GOT HIGH SCHOOL BOYS.
YOU GOT SO MANY THINGS GOING ON THAT YOU COULD AFFECT THE WHOLE TOWN.
MORE THAN I THINK YOU GUYS REALIZE SOMETIMES 'CAUSE FRONTIER'S A BIG SCHOOL.
AND BY THE WAY, FRONTIER'S NOT, THEY'LL GET, THEY'LL GET A LOT OF HEAT FROM ME.
ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE I COACHED AT FRONTIER FOR 15 YEARS, SO JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BIG TO THE TOWN.
IT'S BIG FOR WHAT WE STAND FOR IN THE TOWN.
OUR TOWN'S GROWN DON'T HAVE A GOOD RINK, GOOD HOCKEY.
WE GOTTA LOSING SOME PLAYERS TO THE JUNIORS.
WE'RE LOSING 'EM TO THEIR REGIONS.
OUR FACILITIES ARE SO FAR BEHIND THE TIMES THOSE LOCKER ROOMS ARE BAD.
THE SHOWERS, THE KIDS CAN'T EVEN TAKE SHOWERS EVERYWHERE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S IN, IT IS IN BAD SHAPE.
WHEN RINKS FOUND OUT, THESE RINKS FOUND OUT, A LOT OF PLACES STAY WITH THE TWO RINKS.
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UH, LASTLY, MY BROTHER RUNS IN TWO RINKS.HE'S A NICE ENGINEER MANAGER AT THE LOCKPORT TWO RINKS THAT RUN THE LOCKPORT IN ORDER TO HAVE TWO RINKS.
YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE YOU'RE KEEPING THAT AT FULL CAPACITY.
24 7 LOCKPORT STRUGGLES AND HER STRUGGLES KEEPING OUR RINKS FINANCIALLY SELLING.
I THINK AMHERST HAS FOUR THOUGH.
AND THEY WILL TRY TO GO THE PUBLIC IN THAT AND THEY'RE STRUGGL.
THAT'S A IN $18 MILLION PROJECT HOW MANY YEARS AGO TO GET THAT FACILITY.
YOU COULD HAVE ONE GREAT R BE VERY SUCCESSFUL AND TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE KIDS AND THEIR FUTURE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR GUYS.
I AM THE RIGHT NOW THE COACH OF THE 16 U HOCKEY TEAM.
NEXT YEAR I'LL 18 UI HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SENIORS AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE KIDS COMES HERE IN A TOWN MEETING.
IF COME SEPTEMBER, MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER AND THAT RACE ISN'T OPEN, I'VE GOTTA TELL 'EM THEY DON'T HAVE A SEASON.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T VOTE A FULL YEAR.
THEY ONLY HAVE IT UNTIL NOVEMBER.
SO THAT RENT DOESN'T OPEN YOU JUST DOING A LOT OF KIDS SENIOR YEAR A LOT.
AND THAT'S TIME ALL OF YOU AS PART OF THIS TOWN AND SUSPENDING THIS AND MAKING THIS DELAYED DELAYS, THAT ICE GETTING WORKED ON DELAYS, THAT ICE OPENING THERE IS NOT ICE AVAILABLE ANYWHERE ELSE FOR MY TEAM TO PLAY.
I SCHEDULE MY KIDS' TEAM OUTSIDE.
WE DON'T GET ICE UNTIL AUGUST.
IT IS HARD TO GET ICE ANYWHERE IN MAY, JUNE, JULY AT ANY RINKS IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
EVERYONE HAS TO WORK SO THAT ICE DOESN'T OPEN.
MY TEAM WILL NOT HAVE A SEASON NEXT YEAR.
PAUL, PAUL MC, UH, JUST TOWN RESIDENT.
UM, I SEE TE FIRST OF ALL, MY SON PLAYED AT THE NIKE BASE.
MY TWO GRANDSONS EIGHT AND 12.
BUT AT THE NIKE BASE, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH THE COACHES.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF TOWN RESIDENTS HERE.
WE HAVE STUDENTS HERE, WE HAVE HOCKEY PLAYERS HERE.
CAN WE TONE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BE A LITTLE MORE RESPECTFUL TO THE BOARD, TO BOARD MEMBERS INTO US AS A, AS A BOARD.
I CURRENTLY COACH TWO TEAMS AT THE HAWKS VOLUNTEER.
MY TIME, UM, I, I LOVE SEEING THOSE KIDS THERE.
I THINK IT'S MAYBE 10, BUT HAMBURG HAS ONE OF THE LARGEST PROGRAMS IN THE AREA HOUSE PROGRAMS. IF WE DON'T HAVE ICE NEXT YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THOSE KIDS.
THEY'RE GONNA GO TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
FRANK TALKED ABOUT HOCKEY PARENTS, RIGHT? HOCKEY PARENTS ARE A CERTAIN BREED I DID MY WHOLE LIFE.
THEY WILL BE OUT HANGING OUT OUTSIDE A RESTAURANT BY HARD PARK, RIGHT? THEY'RE GONNA FIND A WAY TO PLAY HOCKEY NEXT YEAR.
THEY'RE GONNA GO TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SOUTH TOWN CENTERS WHERE FRANK'S A COGENT, RIGHT? AND THERE'S OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT THESE KIDS ARE GONNA GO PLAY AT AND WE LOSE THEM PROBABLY FOREVER IN HAMBURG.
THEIR HAMBURG RESIDENTS, THEY SHOULD BE PLAYING IN HAMBURG.
THE RINK NEEDS TO BE OVER NEXT YEAR FOR THE HAMBURG HAWKS AND FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? I TAKE MY KIDS THERE, I PICK 'EM UP AT CLOVER BANK ELEMENTARY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AFTER FIELD DAY.
I WAS THERE LIFTING THOSE PICNIC TABLES AND PUTTING THEM INTO PLACE, RIGHT? I TAKE MY KIDS FROM CLOVER BANK ON FRIDAY 'CAUSE THEY WANNA GO TO THAT RING ON FRIDAY AND SPEND TIME WITH THEIR TEAMMATES, WITH THEIR FRIENDS AT OPENS, SKATE.
THERE'S OTHER KIDS FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME AND SKATE THERE.
I HEAR THE BUZZ ABOUT OPENS SKATE AT HAMBURG, RIGHT? IT'S AWESOME.
IT'S REASONABLY PRICED RIGHT? AND THERE'S TONS OF KIDS THERE.
THEY WON'T HAVE THAT NEXT YEAR.
AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THE MOTION TO TABLE THE BOND RESOLUTION FOR THE NIKE BASE RENOVATIONS? ALL RIGHT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FINALLY IMPLORE THE BOARD TO PLEASE PASS THIS RESOLUTION, THIS OR TO VOTE AGAINST TABLING THIS SO WE COULD RETURN TO THE RESOLUTION.
I HAVE FOUR KIDS FROM THE AGES OF 14 TO 20.
SOME OF THOSE KIDS WERE ROBBED OF THEIR SENIOR PROM THEIR SENIOR YEAR, AND THE COACH COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER.
IF THESE KIDS LOSE THEIR SENIOR YEAR ON THE ICE, THEY LOSE SENIOR NIGHT.
THEY, YOU LOSE THE FAMILY MEMORIES AND THOSE EXPERIENCES.
WE NEED TO ACT ON THIS TONIGHT.
SO WE DON'T PUT THAT IN JEOPARDY.
I GOT GRANT ON THAT PLACE HOCKEY.
NOBODY'S SAYING THAT THIS PROJECT'S
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BEING KILLED.WE ASKED FOR A TWO WEEK DELAY BECAUSE WE HAVE ANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT WE WANNA ANSWER ABOUT THE FINANCING.
I SECOND, I GOT, I GOT ONE OTHER QUESTION.
CAN WE, CAN WE, IF WE PASS EVERY TIME YOU GO TO BAND, HOW, HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST US EVERY TIME YOU GO TO MARKET TO BOND SOMETHING? WHEN YOU SAY
WELL TYPICALLY THEY ONLY WANT YOU TO GO ONCE A YEAR TO GO TO THE, TO TAKE OUT THE AMOUNT THAT YOU WANT FOR THAT.
IS THERE A PRICE FOR THAT? UH, 17,000 IS WHAT THEY GAVE US.
HAVE, BUT AGAIN, WE, WHAT WILL THE IMPACT BE FOR THE TAXPAYER ON $15 MILLION? IF WE WERE TO GO OUT AND DO THE EIGHT AND A HALF, THE ONLY NUMBERS I RAN WERE FOR EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION WITH THE SEVEN AND A HALF FOR THE NIKE BASE AND THEN THE MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.
THE FIRST YEAR, UM, WE WOULD MAKE A PAYMENT IS 2025 AND THAT WOULD BE AN INTEREST ONLY PAYMENT OF $171,000.
THEN STARTING IN 2026, THAT AMOUNT IS PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST AND THAT WOULD BE 600 CENTS.
BUT THAT GOES UP FROM THERE 25 YEARS, THEN IT GOES DOWN FROM, SO 6 0 9, 6 10, 6 0 5, 6 0 9.
AND THAT'S FOR HOW MANY YEARS? 25.
AND THAT'S THE LIMIT THAT WE CAN GO OUT.
WE CAN, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, YOU CAN DO LOW LESS YEARS, BUT THEN YOUR AMOUNTS WILL GO UP.
SO THAT ALONE IS WHAT? ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, 3% ON THE TAX RATE.
UM, UH, WE INCREASE THE PAYMENTS $550,000 A YEAR.
THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL 2.33% ON THE TAX INCREASE.
SO IT REPRESENTS ABOUT $40 FOR A HOUSE APP RAISES AT $150,000 A YEAR.
AND AGAIN, DON'T HOLD INTO THESE BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S GONNA CHANGE.
BUT FOR A HOUSE TO SET THAT $150,000 WITH A 550,000 INCREASE IN THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE $39 AND 96 CENTS PER YEAR PER 150,000 IN YEAR ONE? NO, THAT WOULD BE ONE.
WE'RE TAKING OUT THE 550 FOR YEAR ONE.
THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $11.
SO YEAR ONE, BUT MOST OF THE YEARS ARE GONNA BE THE, THE HIGHER AMOUNT.
THE FIRST YEAR YOU ONLY THINK INTEREST IS YEARS BACK, THE PRINCIPAL.
AND THAT'S JUST FOR THIS ONE ELEMENT.
DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE OTHER POTENTIAL TAX RATE INCREASES BECAUSE OF OTHER EXPENSES.
THIS WOULD STRICTLY BE RELATED JUST FOR THIS ONE BOND.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THE BOND RESOLUTION SECOND WITH A PROPER SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF TAB THE BOND RESOLUTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
I WAS PROBABLY TO REPEAT THERE.
WE'LL JUST TAKE WE'LL LET'S DO A ROLL CALL THOUGH, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
SUPERVISOR HULK OPPOSED? AND, AND THE QUESTION IS, TABLE THE BOND MOTION.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN UFFORD OPPOSED? COUNCILMAN BOBOWSKI? I'M IN FAVOR TABLING.
I COUNCILMAN FERRELL LAUREN TABLE.
THE MOTION TO TABLE IS SUCCESSFUL WHEREAS THE NEW YORK STATE DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES IPTM, HUMAN FACTORS AND TRAFFIC CRASH RECONSTRUCTION IS BEING HELD APRIL 22ND, 2024 TO APRIL 26TH, 2024 IN MONROE COUNTY.
AND WHEREAS THE FREE FIVE DAY COURSE EXPLORES ESSENTIAL RESEARCH AND SETS THE STANDARD FOR CONDUCTING CRASH INVESTIGATIONS AND NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES CAPTAIN JEFFREY LAVELLE, LIEUTENANT JOHN BAKER, OFFICER NADIEM VIC, AND OFFICERS ERIC WILSON TO ATTEND THE IPTM HUMAN FACTORS IN TRAFFIC CRASH RECONSTRUCTION WITH THE FOLLOWING EXPENSES, LODGING 1040 $5 AND 52 CENTS, MEALS $1,000 FOR A TOTAL COST FOR 2040 $5 AND 52 CENTS.
BE IT FURTHER RESULT, JOHN BORE AUTHORIZED USE OF UNMARKED POLICE VEHICLE FOR TRANSPORTATION FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN B 31 24 92 SEMINARS DEPARTMENT TRAINING.
WE 2024 F-B-I-L-E-E-D-A EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP INSTITUTE IS BEING HELD IN PAYSVILLE, OHIO FROM MONDAY, MAY 6TH, 2024 TO FRIDAY, MAY 10TH, 2024.
AND WHEREAS THE F-B-I-L-E-E-D-A EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP INSTITUTE DESIGNED FOR EXECUTIVE LEVEL LAW ENFORCEMENT LEADERS AND FOCUSES ON THE CHALLENGES FACING THE PROFESSION, INCLUDING TRENDS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, PUBLIC TRUST AND LEGITIMACY, BIAS AND DIVERSITY, EMPLOYEE WELLNESS, TRANSFORMATIONAL LEADERSHIP, AS WELL AS SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE AND THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
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CAPTAIN TODD ERA TO ATTEND THE 2024 F-B-I-L-E-E-D-A EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP INSTITUTE WITH THE FOLLOWING EXPENSES, LODGING $633 AND 90 CENTS.REGISTRATION $795 MEALS $250 FOR A TOTAL COST OF $1,678 AND 90 CENTS.
THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE USE OF AN UNMARKED POLICE VEHICLE FOR TRANSPORTATION MONEY IS AVAILABLE IN B 31 24 92 SEMINARS DEPARTMENT TRAINING.
OPPOSED? CAN WE PAUSE FOR ONE QUICK SECOND AND SIGN THE SENIORS PAPERS? WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS IN SURE.
LET'S FINISH THIS MOTION AND THEN WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
OPPOSED? AB EXTENSIONS CARRIED.
JUST HAD A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL MEMBER COMERFORD TO SIGN THE PAPERWORK TO GET THE SENIORS OUTTA HERE.
WE'LL TAKE A THREE MINUTE BREAK FOR YOU GUYS TO DO THAT.
SUSPECTING YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF HOMEWORK AND COLLEGE APPLICATIONS TO WORK ON.
WHEN'S THE FIRST GAME? JUST THE TOP.
UM, THE FIRST OFFICIAL GAME IS THE 20.
I THINK WE DEN WHO ARE YOU PLAYING? DEN AT HOME OR AWAY? HOME.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT PAPERS PLEASE? COUNCIL MEMBER LOREN IS READY TO
OH, I SAW YOUR SISTER LAST WEEK.
PLEASE TELL YOUR FAMILY I SAID HELLO.
I COULD SEE THEM ALL SITTING THERE SCENARIO.
DO YOU NEED US TO USE OUR TEACHER VOICE? THE MICROPHONES THEY'RE ON.
YEAH, YOU GOTTA GOTTA TALKING FIRE OUT.
ESPECIALLY YOU CAN HEAR CUSTOMER THINK SO IF PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN HEAR SAYING, OH, THEY DID? YEAH.
ANYONE WANT WATER? I'M SO GOOD.
WAS THERE ANYTHING RIGHT ALONG THAT CAN TALK TO FRANK ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION? WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE.
I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE, BUT THAT WAS WAY OUT OF LINE.
I MEAN, HE HAS A BUSINESS TO RUN.
WHO DO WE KNOW ABOUT? JUST WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GARO.
OH, THIS WAS NOT FOR AND YOU JUST TURNED IT OFF.
I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK I WAS BEING GOOD, BUT I MIGHT HAVE TO LEAVE BEFORE OVER, BUT I'LL BE ABLE TO FINISH.
I'M HAVING A SHOULDER SURGERY ON THURSDAY AND THERE'S LOT OF, AND I ALSO GO TO THE BATHROOM.
SO MY LIFE IS IN TURN WHEELED RIGHT NOW, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO AND GET SOME STUFF.
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BREAK OUTSIDE CARDS.IT'S REALLY, I'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND, BUT I'M GONNA, TOMORROW I'M LIKE REALLY ONLY FOUR.
AND SWITCH TO THE EARLIER STUDY YOU HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET HEY KATHY, DID I READ NINE? NO, YOU DID DOWN.
YEAH, WE READ DAVE WAS, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WAS OF SECONDED THE NUMBERS WE'RE ON TO NINE.
THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT THE YEAH.
OKAY, SO IT'S, YEAH, YOU READ EIGHT.
WE'LL GET STARTED IF EVERYBODY COULD, UH, HAVE A SEAT AND WRAP UP YOUR CONVERSATIONS.
WE'LL GET STARTED IN JUST 30 SECONDS.
MOVING ON TO RESOLUTION NUMBER NINE, WHEREAS THE 2024 F-B-I-L-E-E-D-A MEDIA AND PUBLIC RELATIONS COURSE IS BEING HELD IN OAKWOOD VILLAGE, OHIO FROM MONDAY, MAY 20TH, 2024 TO FRIDAY, MAY 24TH, 2024.
AND WHEREAS THE F-B-I-L-E-E-D-A MEDIA AND PUBLIC RELATIONS COURSE WILL COVER MEDIA RELATIONS, CRISIS COMMUNICATION, SOCIAL MEDIA, AS WELL AS IMAGE BRANDING AND PERCEPTION THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED CAPTAIN TODD ETT TO ATTEND THE 2024 FBI LEAD A MEDIA AND PUBLIC RELATIONS COURSE WITH A FOLLOWING EXPENSES LODGING $685 AND 75 CENTS, REGISTRATION $795 MEALS $250 FOR A TOTAL COST OF $1,730 AND 75 CENTS.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THE TOM BOARD AUTHORIZES USE OF AN UNMARKED POLICE VEHICLE FOR TRANSPORTATION MONEY IS AVAILABLE IN B 31 20 0.49.
TWO SEMINARS DEPARTMENT TRAINING.
OPPOSED? AB EXTENSIONS CARRIED WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVES ASSETS FROM DRUG SEIZURES FROM TIME TO TIME AND WHEREAS THE USE OF THESE FUNDS HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT AND WHEREAS THESE ITEMS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE 2024 BUDGET AND WHEREAS FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $14,013 AND 3 CENTS ARE TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM B 4 3 5 A ASSET FORFEITURE TO B 31 20 0.4 11 PD SUPPLIES AND NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED A SPENDING OF $14,013 AND 3 CENTS TO PURCHASE OF VANGUARD LEVEL THREE TACTICAL BALLISTIC SHIELD AS WELL AS AN ACTIVE SHOOTER RESPONSE EQUIPMENT FROM FEDERAL EASTERN INTERNATIONAL AND THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED.
FUNDS FOR THIS PURCHASE ARE AVAILABLE IN B 31 20 0.4 11 PD SUPPLIES.
WHEREAS UMPIRE STATE DEVELOPMENT HAS COMMITTED $200 MILLION IN FUNDING FOR CAPITAL GRANT SUPPORT TO THE NEW YORK FORD FAST NEW YORK GRANT PROGRAM.
AND WHEREAS FAST NEW YORK PROVIDES CAPITAL GRANTS OF UP TO $500,000 PER DEVELOPMENT SITE TO FUND THE COST OF NECESSARY PRE-DEVELOPMENT SITE PLANNING AND REVIEWS FOR FUTURE SHOVEL READY SITES.
GRANTS WILL FUND NECESSARY COSTS TO ASSIST GRANTEES IN COMPLETING PRE-DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THOSE REQUIRED FOR FAST NEW YORK SHOVEL-READY CERTIFICATION.
AND WHEREAS HAMBURG, NEW YORK LAND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ISIR OF SUBMITTING A LETTER OF INTENT FOR A FAST NEW YORK GRANT AMOUNT OF UP TO $250,000.
AND WHEREAS IF APPROVED, THE GRANT FUNDS WILL SUPPORT ACTIVITIES TOWARD A PRE
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DESIGNATION OF THIS 26 ACRE INDUSTRIAL SITE IN HAMBURG.THIS DESIGNATION WILL CATALYZE DEVELOPMENT AND ADD TO THE REGION AVAILABLE MICROELECTRONIC PRODUCTION SITE
THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES HAMBURG, NEW YORK LAND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO SUBMIT A LETTER OF INTENT TO NEW YORK EMPIRE STATE DEVELOPMENT AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAN ANY COST OR EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS GRANT OR APPLICATION WILL BE AT THE SOLE EXPENSE OF THE HAMBURG NEW YORK LAND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
WE RESOLVED WITH THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE PURCHASE OF TWO JOHN DEERE 2025 R COMPACT UTILITY TRACTORS FOR THE AMOUNT OF $20,387 AND 28 CENTS AFTER TRADE-INS PER NEW YORK STATE CONTRACT LANDSCAPING GROUNDS PC 6 9 6 83 P-G-X-N-C-G 22 FROM DEERE AND COMPANY PURCHASES ON A LEASE TWO OWNED BASIS WITH FOUR ANNUAL PAYMENTS OF FIVE $5,535 AND 51 CENTS.
FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT A 7 1 4 0 0.201 MACHINES AND EQUIPMENT TO BE TRANSFERRED TO A 0.7 1 4 0 4 7 8 LEASES.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE TERMINATION AND HIRING OF THE FOLLOWING EMPLOYEES IN BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS AS LISTED IN THE ATTACHED PAF.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE PURCHASE OF ONE VENTRE MA 900 BOOM MO MOWER FOR THE AMOUNT OF $18,006 AND 79 CENTS PER NEW YORK CONTRACT.
PC 6 9 6 82 FROM GRASSLAND EQUIPMENT AND IRRIGATION CORPORATION FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT A 7 1 8 3 0.201.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE FOLLOWING TRANSFER TO BE MADE FROM A 0.164 0.478 LEASES TO A 0.714 0.202 VEHICLES FOR THE AMOUNT OF NOT $29,331 FUNDS AVAILABLE DUE TO CLEANER VAN.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE PURCHASE OF THREE JOHN DEERE Z 9 3 0 MZ TRTH MOWERS FOR THE AMOUNT OF $19,684 AND 74 CENTS AFTER TRADE-INS PER NEW YORK STATE CONTRACT LANDSCAPING GROUNDS PC 6 9 6 83.
PG XNCG 22 FROM DEERE AND COMPANY FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT A 1 62 0.201.
SO MOVED SECOND ON, ON A QUESTION.
UM, WITH THE TRADE-INS, DO WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT IN, UM, IN WRITING AND, AND TO TAKE THAT ON VOTE BECAUSE SHE'S, SHE MENTIONED THAT, UH, WITH THE TRADE-INS, DO WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT OR IS THAT JUST IN THE PAST WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
WE'VE IMPLEMENTED A DRAFT POLICY WHERE THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO GET OR AT LEAST LET THE BOARD KNOW IN ADVANCE TO GET THEIR OKAY.
HIGHWAY BUCKET PURCHASE RESOLVE THE TOWN BOARD.
AUTHORIZE THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT TO PURCHASE ONE USED 2013 KENWORTH MODEL T THREE 70 BUCKET TRUCK FROM LAKE COUNTRY AUCTIONS FOR $65,900.
FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT DB 5 1 3 0 2 1.
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED SURPLUS EQUIPMENT AUCTION WHEREAS THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT HAS A NUMBER OF VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS NO LONGER NEEDED AND SHOULD BE REPLACED AND OR UPDATED, THEREFORE IT BE RESOLVED.
THE ATTACHED LIST OF VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT ARE HEREBY DECLARED TO BE SOLD VIA AUCTION AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE PROCEEDS FROM THE AUCTION OF SURPLUS VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO DB 5 1 300 0.201.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED MULTIMODAL CAPITAL PROJECT GRANT FUNDING AND APPROVED SIDEWALKS ALONG AMSTEL ROAD, WHEREAS THE TOWN RECEIVED A PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICE AND WATTS ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS TO PROVIDE BID READY CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND WHEREAS FEES FOR DIVINE DESIGN SERVICES UNDER THIS PROPOSAL ARE $60,000 AND NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES A SUPERVISOR TO SIGN THE 2024 PROPOSAL NUMBER 23 DASH 2 42 TOWN SIDEWALK PROJECT BETWEEN TOWN OF HAMBURG AND WATTS.
ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FUNDS ARE AVAIL ON ACCOUNTS H 114 44 45 0 6
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OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED.WHEREAS TOWN OF HAMRICK HAS REQUESTED ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT PROJECT AND WHEREAS WENDELL ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING HAS SUBMITTED A CHANGE ORDER, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE THESE ADDITIONAL SERVICES THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE EY TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE TOWN SUPERVISOR TO SIGN THE CHANGE ORDER FROM WENDELL ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING FOR THE TOWN HALL PARKING LOT PROJECT.
THE AMOUNT OF $21,400 FUNDS AVAILABLE IN H 1 0 8.
4 44 5 6 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TOWN HALL PARKING LOT.
CAN WE ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK? SURE.
UM, QUESTIONING THE, THE CHANGE ORDER, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ITEMS WERE THAT WERE PUT IN ON THE CHANGE ORDER? WAS THAT THE STUFF THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST WORK SESSION? I BELIEVE SO.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE SLABS FOR THE, UH, VETERANS AND THE POLICE OFFICERS AND, UH, POLES.
AND WAS THERE A DRAINAGE COMPONENT AND SOME ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND.
WHEREAS THE TON OF HAMBURG WILL REQUIRE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICE TO APPROVE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION AND CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION IN THE HAMBURG ICE RINK RENOVATIONS AND UPGRADE.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS THE HIRING OF A NEW YORK LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, AND CERTIFIED CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS TO PERFORM THIS WORK.
WHEREAS DATO ASSOCIATES, ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS PC OF SUBMITTED PROPOSAL FOR CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION AND INSPECTION SERVICES WITH A TOTAL CONTRACT ESTIMATE NOT TO EXCEED $180,235 AND NO CENTS.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THE TOM BOARD AUTHORIZES A SUPERVISOR TO SIGN THE JANUARY 18TH, 2024 PROPOSAL FROM DEON AUTO ASSOCIATES ENGINEERING AND ARCHITECTURE PC FUNDS AVAILABLE IN H 1 11 14 44 40 PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACT AND SERVICES.
SHOULD THIS BE TABLED? I THINK YEAH.
WE CAN TABLE ONE MOTION AT A TIME.
I I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT IF YOU WANT BE, YOU KNOW, PETTY ABOUT FINE.
NO, I'M JUST FOLLOWING THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK AS I SWORE THAT I WOULD I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
BUT ANYWAY, I MOVED THE TABLE.
DO WE NEED TO HAVE A SECOND BEFORE WE CAN HAVE A TABLE? YEAH, YOU HAVE TO SECOND IT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE, WHICH WAS SECONDED.
ANY JUST NO, I'M SECONDING THE INITIAL MOTION.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO SECOND THE INITIAL MOTION TO TABLE.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WAS SECONDED AND THEN WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING RESOLUTION NUMBER 21, SAY AYE.
WHEREAS THE TON OF HAMBURG ADVERTISED FOR BIDS FOR THE HAMBURG ICE RINK AR ARENA RENOVATIONS IN MECHANICAL UPGRADE PHASE TWO GENERAL CONSTRUCTION AND WHEREAS A PUBLIC BID OPENING WAS HELD ON FEBRUARY 21ST, 2024, 3:00 PM AND BIDS READ ALOUD.
AND WHEREAS THE BIDS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY DEDO ASSOCIATES WHO DETERMINED THAT SELI CONSTRUCTION IS A QUALIFIED AND RESPONSIBLE LOWE'S BIDDER AND RECOMMENDED FOR THE CONTRACT BE AWARDED TO THEM.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE CONTRACT FOR THE PROJECT IS AWARDED TO OLI CONSTRUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,478,000 TOTAL WITH ALL THE ALTERNATES OF THE TOWN SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH THEIR FIRM AND ISSUE THE NOTICE AND AWARD AND NOTICE TO PROCEED AT THE APPROPRIATE TIMES.
FUNDS AVAILABLE IN H 1 1 1 DASH 7 4 1 0 4 4 0 0 0 1.
MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE SECOND.
CAN I, I ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK, PAT.
THIS IS A VIEW, THESE, THIS, THIS RESOLUTION AND THE SEVERAL SUBSEQUENT RESOLUTIONS, THEY WERE IN THERE BASED ON THE POSITIVE HOPEFULNESS THAT WE WERE GONNA PASS THAT BOND RESOLUTION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY WERE, THEY'RE PUTTING THAT SEQUENCE.
THAT'S WHY WHEN IT SAYS FUNDS AVAILABLE, RIGHT? THE SEQUENCE WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT.
WE WENT OUT FOR BOND, WE HAD THE FUNDS, THEN THEY'RE, THEY WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE RIGHT IN THAT ACCOUNT ONCE.
SO AS IT, IT STANDS RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT IS CORRECT.
SO I WILL, UH, WITHDRAW RESOLUTION 23.
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I WILL WITHDRAW RESOLUTION 24.I WILL WITHDRAW RESOLUTION 25.
3 26, RIGHT? YEAH, I HAVE IT HERE.
UH, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE MINUTES, I KNOW
WHEREAS THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE OUT OF TOWN TRAVEL REQUEST FOR THE TOWN CLERK CATHERINE REPINSKI AND THE DEPUTY TOWN CLERK, JILL SL TO ATTEND THE 42ND ANNUAL NEW YORK STATE TOWN CLERKS ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE IN ALBANY, NEW YORK FROM APRIL 21ST TO APRIL 24TH, 2024.
THE ESTIMATED COSTS ARE AS FOLLOWS, CONFERENCE REGISTRATION TWO AT $250 HOTEL MEALS FOR TWO AT 100, OR SORRY, HOTEL SLASH MEALS FOR TWO AT $1,530.
TRANSPORTATION AT $182 FOR A TOTAL OF $1,962.
FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT A 1 4 1 0 4 9 2 AND A 1 4 1 4 5 1.
UH, KATHY, IS THAT TRANSPORTATION FOR TWO ALSO? OKAY, WAIT, THE SECOND IS
AND ON THE QUESTION IS, DAN, IS TRANSPORTATION FOR TWO ALSO THAT IS IT ACTUALLY MILEAGE? WE'RE DRIVING, UM, WITH THE TOWN CLERK FROM LANCASTER.
SO WE'RE PAYING FOR ONE WAY AND LANCASTER'S PAYING FOR THE OTHER WAY.
THOSE TRANSPORTATION FOR FOUR.
WHEREAS THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY BOARD COMMITTEE HAS A VACANCY DUE TO PATRICK B'S RETIREMENT NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES BOB CHROME TO BE ADDED THE TRAFFIC SAFETY BOARD COMMITTEE FOR THIS TERM.
YOUTH RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES DETERMINATION ON HIRING FOR DEPARTMENT OF YOUTH RECREATION SENIOR SERVICES AS FOLLOWS AS LISTED.
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED MC PERSONNEL RULES AND REGULATIONS AMENDMENTS WHEREAS AT 12 11 23 THE BOARD MEETING UPDATED MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIAL RULES AND REGULATIONS WERE ADOPTED.
AND WHEREAS AN ERROR OCCURRED IN THE DOCUMENT LISTING ASSISTANT PLANNER AND MC TITLE WHEREIN IS ACTUALLY A WHITE IN THE TITLE OF WHITE COLLAR CONTRACT.
AND WHERE IS IT FURTHER NOTED THAT WHEN THE DOCUMENT WAS UPDATED IN 2021, LANGUAGE RELATED TO THE SIC BANK, SECTION 5.5 WAS LEFT OUT OF THE BODY, BUT LEFT IN THE TABLE OF CONTENT.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE UPDATE MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIAL RULES AND REGULATIONS WHEREIN THE TITLE OF ASSISTANT PLANNER HAS BEEN REMOVED TO AND, EXCUSE ME, REMOVED AND SICK BANK LANGUAGE RETURNED TO THE DOCUMENT OF SECTION 5.5.
SO MOVED SECOND ON THE QUESTION.
UM, IS IT, SO YOU'RE JUST PUTTING IN EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE IN 2021, SO THERE'S NO CHANGES TO IT.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE JUST, IT WAS JUST OMITTED FROM THE MOST RECENT VERSION ON THE SICK LEAVE.
I BELIEVE THIS, THAT THE SICK LEAVE BANK WAS, WAS KEPT IN WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
THIS IS SAYING THE OPPOSITE THOUGH.
I GONNA APPROVE THE UPDATED HAD BEEN REMOVED.
THE SICK BANK LANGUAGE RETURNED TO THE DOCUMENT IN SECTION 5 1 5.
THAT'S WHEN I'M READING IT MAY, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND SECOND TO SAY WHAT IT IS YOU JUST SAID TO MAKE A MOTION AMEND AND THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION TO, UH, REMOVE THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE RELATED IN THE SIK BANK.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S BEING REMOVED FROM THE MOST CURRENT DOCUMENT OR IT'S REMAIN BEING REMOVED FROM THIS RESOLUTION.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TAUGHT, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THE S SICK BANK.
SO THAT LAST TWO, WHEREAS THE WHERES AND THEREFORE.
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THE THIRD EZ OUT MM-HMMAND I THOUGHT WE ALREADY MADE THE CORRECTION TO THE, TO THE ASSISTANT PLANNER AND THE MC.
I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD A RESOLUTION THAT, THAT CLARIFIED THAT AND TOOK HER OUT AND CLARIFIED.
SHE WAS IN THE, MOSTLY CAME FROM PERSONNEL.
YEAH, I'M ALMOST POSITIVE WE ALREADY DID THIS, BUT WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN, WELL WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE A SECOND.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.
UM, SO I MEAN WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN SAY TO TAKE IT OUT AGAIN AND IF IT'S ALREADY GONE, NO HARM, NO FOUL.
UH, AS FAR AS ANNELISE YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? YES.
BUT EVERYTHING REGARDING THE SICK LEAVE IS OUT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT'S THE AMENDED MOTION, RIGHT? SECOND THE MOTION.
YOU RESOLVE THE JOINT SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED ENTER INTO ENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT PREPARED BY RUSH M TO PROVIDE UPON REQUEST SERVICES NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THE ANNUAL AUDIT FOR THE TOWN PERTAINING THE YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2023.
AND FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT DETERMINE NECESSARY THROUGH THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
WHEREAS ERIE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND PLANNING AWARDED THE TOWN OF HAMBURG $20,000 WITH THE $20,000 MATCH FROM THE TOWN, THE COMMISSION AND CORRIDOR PLAN FOR LAKE AVENUE TO ENHANCE SAFETY IN STREET VITALITY FROM SOUTH PARK AVENUE IN MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
AND WHEREAS TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE SUPERVISOR TO ACCEPT THE $20,000 IN FUNDING WITH THE $20,000 TOWN MATCH AND IDENTIFIED GOBI AS A CONSULTANT TO WORK ON THE QUARTER PLAN ON MONDAY, JANUARY 22ND, 2024.
WHEREAS GOBI SUBMITTED A CONTRACT AS A STA YEAR TO BE SIGNED IN ORDER TO BEGIN ON THE SCOPE OF WORK, THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE SUPERVISED SIGN THE AGREEMENT WITH GOBI FOR THE LAKE AVENUE QUARTER PLAN.
WHEREAS THE HAMBURG TOWN CODE CONTAINS THE SPECIFICS AND LO SPECIFIES THE LOCAL LAWS AND ORDINANCES OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND WHEREAS CHAPTER 235 OF THE HAMBURG TOWN CODE ENTITLED TAXATION CONTAINS AN ARTICLE NINE ENTITLED GRIEVANCE STATE FOR REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT REVIEW, WHICH IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW AND WHEREAS PURSUANT TO MUNICIPAL HO HOME RULE, THE TOWN BOARD IS PROPOSING TO ENACT A LOCAL LAW AS FOLLOWS, THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, NEW YORK HEREBY REPEALED ARTICLE NINE OF CHAPTER 235 OF THE HAMBURG TOWN CODE ENTITLED GRIEVANCE DATE FOR REAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT REVIEW.
WHEREAS SUCH REPEAL WOULD REESTABLISH THE GRIEVANCE DATE IS THE FOURTH TUESDAY OF MAY PURSUANT TO 5 1 2 OF NEW YORK STATE REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT PUBLIC HEARINGS BE SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 8TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM TO CONSIDER THE APPEAL REPEAL OF ARTICLE NINE OF CHAPTER 2 35.
UM, IT JUST GONNA WITH THE, UH, ECLIPSE AND EVERYTHING IS JUST GONNA HAVE ANY EFFECT ON AND ANYBODY BEING AT WORK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OKAY.
WELL IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND I THINK THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SCHEDULED FOR THE APRIL 8TH MEETING, BUT IT'S A LATE RESOLUTION THAT WE'VE ADDED TO THE AGENDA THAT THAT APRIL 8TH MEETING IS GONNA BE CHANGED TO THE NINTH.
SO I THINK BY DEFAULT THIS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SWITCH IT TO THE NINTH 'CAUSE THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING OR WE CAN AMENDMENT A AMEND THIS SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WE PROBABLY WANNA AMEND IT.
MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND IT TO READ APRIL 9TH TO CATCH COUNCILMAN COZA.
ONCE IN A WHILE, BLIND SQUIRREL CAN FIND ENOUGH.
SO WE NEED A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT? SAY AYE.
UH, AND THEN BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED CLERK CONCLUDING IMPROVEMENTS.
IRFP WHEREAS HAMBURG TOWN BOARD PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED THE INTERSECTION AT CLARK AND STREET, MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
BOTH ERIE COUNTY ROADS AS IN NEED OF IMPROVEMENTS TO ADDRESS MOTOR VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AS CONSULTED WITH ERIE COUNTY HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT COMPLETED THEIR RECOMMENDATION TRAFFIC STUDY AND SECURED FUNDING FROM ERIE COUNTY FOR IMPROVEMENTS WHICH HAVE TIME SENSITIVE DEADLINES FOR UTILIZATION.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS CONSULTED WITH VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS TO INCLUDE THE ERIE COUNTY HIGHWAY TOWN ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, JAMIE, UH, GERALD, UH, GHD, AND THE THE MODEL ASSOCIATES ON CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY, EXCUSE ME.
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AND WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE FUNDING SECURED.AMBER TOWN BOARD FOLLOWING CONSULTATION WITH ERIE COUNTY HIGHWAYS, TRAFFIC SAFETY ENGINEERS WILL ISSUE AN RFP FOR THE FULL PROFESSIONAL DESIGN SERVICE NECESSARY FOR THE IMPLE IMPLEMENTATION OF PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS AT THE CLARK MCKINLEY INTERSECTION AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED.
THE PRO PROPOSED DESIGN MAY INCLUDE REPLACEMENT OF POLES, NEW TRAFFIC HEADS AND TIMING, DEDICATED TURN SIGNALS, LANES PEDESTRIAN CROSSING A DA REGULATION FEATURES, CURB CUTS, SIDEWALKS AND HANDS, SIGNAGE AND TIMELINE AND PLAN FOR TRAFFIC ENTERS, INTERRUPTIONS AND, UH, AND THE BUDGET AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED AND RECOMMENDS THE PROPOSED DESIGN WILL INCLUDE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT WIND WINDING WOODS, MARK AVENUE AND MCKINLEY PARKWAY AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT GIVEN BOTH CLARK STREET AND MCKINLEY PARKWAY ARE COUNTY ROADS.
IF IN THE EVENT ERIE COUNTY INSTEAD COMMITS TO FULLY FUNDING THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT, OR PLAN FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTION AND COMMITS TO PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WOULD SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS THEY DESIGN PROVIDED THERE ARE NO COSTS TO THE TAXPAYERS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND THERE BE THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED.
IF THE TOWN DOES NOT RECEIVE NOTIFICATION IN WRITING BY MARCH 25TH, 2024 FROM ERIE COUNTY INDICATING THEIR COMMITMENT TO FULL FUNDING THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION WITH AN AGREEMENT TIMEFRAME OF THE ROUNDABOUT OR OTHER PLAN FOR IMPLEMENTATION AND ASSOCIATE COSTS TO CLARK AND MCKINLEY INTERSECTION, THEN FORM, UH, FERMENTATION OF RFP OR APPROVE OUTLINES AND IMPROVEMENTS WILL GO FORWARD.
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED RESULT.
THE HENRY TOWN BOARD IS HEREBY APPROVE THE REQUEST OF THE WOODLAWN VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY TO ADD TO THE RANKS OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
THE INDIVIDUAL AS FOLLOWS, NICK BERRY.
RESULT OF THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD IS HEREBY APPROVE THE REQUEST OF NEW ABBOT FIRE COMPANY TO ADD TO THE RANKS OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
WE FRIENDS OF LAKE ERIE SEAWAY TRAIL IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION, WHEREAS THE FRIENDS OF LAKE ERIE SEAWAY TRAIL PROVIDES TRAVELER INFORMATION AND SERVICES TO PROMOTE TOURISM IN TOWN OF HAMBURG AND OFFERS A COMMUNITY RESOURCE TO RESIDENTS IN THE FORM OF GROUP MEETING SPACE, EDUCATIONAL EXHIBITS, FREE WATERFRONT ACCESS, AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PASSIVE RECREATION AT THE LAKE ERIE SHORELINE SITE.
AND WHERE AS TOWN OF HAMBURG RECOGNIZES BENEFITS PROVIDED TO TOWN RESIDENTS BY FRIENDS OF THE LAKE ERIE SEAWAY TRAIL PROGRAMS THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AUTHORIZES A SUPERVISOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT ATTACHED YEAR TWO WITH FRIENDS OF LAKE ERIE SEAWAY TRAIL AND BE FURTHER RESOLVED.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL PROVIDE $5,000 IN 2024 FUNDING TO FRIENDS OF THE LAKE ERIE SEAWAY TRAIL FOR THE OPERATION OF PROGRAMS, EQUIPMENT AND EXPENSES NOT ASSOCIATED PERSONNEL COSTS, FUNDS AVAIL IN ACCOUNT.
WHERE IS AMB HISTORICAL SOCIETY IS A NONPROFIT CORPORATION WHEREAS HAMBRICK HISTORICAL SOCIETY PROVIDES EDUCATIONAL AND HISTORICAL PROGRAMS TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AUTHORIZES SUPERVISOR INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HAMBURG HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND BE OF FURTHER RESOLVED THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL PROVIDE $15,000 IN 2024 FUNDING OF THE HAMBURG HISTORICAL SIZE SOCIETY TO PROVIDE THESE EDUCATIONAL, HISTORICAL PROGRAMS IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT A 1989 DO 0 4 40.
THAT WILL BRING US TO, UH, JUDGE YOU.
WE HAVE ANOTHER OH, EMERGENCY REGISTRY.
SO YEAH, THIS IS A LATE RESOLUTION.
UM, MAKE A MOTION TO PUT FORTH A LATE RESOLUTION, UH, PERTAINING TO THE SCHEDULING OF THE APRIL 8TH TOWN BOARD MEETING.
WHEREAS ON APRIL 8TH, 2024, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL EXPERIENCE A TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE.
AND WHEREAS THIS HISTORIC EVENT IS A POTENTIAL TO CAUSE INCREASED TRAFFIC AND DELAYS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG APPROVES MOVING THE WORK SESSION AND TOWN BOARD MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 8TH, 2024 TO THE FOLLOWING
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DATE.AND THAT ALSO BRINGS US TO THE TOWN BOARD AUDIT OF CASH DISPERSEMENT, WE RESOLVED AT THE MB TOWN BOARD.
AUTHORIZE THE TOWN BOARD AUDITED CASH DISBURSEMENTS DATED MARCH 11TH, 2024.
THE TOTAL CASH DISBURSEMENTS LISTED AND SUBMITTED FOR AUDIT.
NOW BRINGS US TO PUBLIC EXPRESSION.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE HEARD, PLEASE COME TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM, RAISE YOUR HAND.
WE'LL BRING A MIC TO YOU, UH, AND KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO ABOUT THREE MINUTES I THINK.
SO THAT, UH, TO BROWN, I'M HERE TOO.
I'LL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF, UH, WEST ARNOLD DRIVE AND THE, UH, WATERLINE ROAD ISSUE PROJECT THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD IN YOUR LAST MEETING.
UM, WE JUST, I'M HERE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STAY IN FOCUS AND WE'D LOOK TO KNOW IF THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THIS PROJECT IS GOING.
IT'S BEEN SIX MONTHS SINCE YOU MET WITH US.
THE TOWN ENGINEERING MET WITH US.
UH, THE, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY HAS BEEN DONE AND WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE, UH, STILL SITTING ON A ROAD THAT HAS SNOW FAR PROTECTION, UH, NO STREET LIGHTS, ALL THESE OTHER FEATURES THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING TAXES ON FOR THE LAST 40, 45, 50 YEARS.
YOU CAN SUMMARIZE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE ISSUES INVOLVED IN THIS STUFF, AND MY POINT IS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET THEM OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A DIRECT INPUT.
I KNOW THERE'S LEGAL ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND, BUT THE ENGINEERING STUDY HAS BEEN DONE AND THERE'S MONEY ISSUES AND, UH, WE'D JUST LIKE THE APPEAL TO THE BOARD TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS OR A SOONER LOOK.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN SIX MONTHS, SO WE WERE HOPING THAT THIS PROJECT HADN'T WAS GONNA BEGIN THIS SPRING.
THAT WAS OUR FULL UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHEN I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF SITUATIONS WHERE WE'RE AT, UM, WITH CHANGES IN THE BOARD AND CHANGES IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM, UH, LEGAL PEOPLE, THAT THESE ISSUES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS JUST, YOU KNOW, CAN WE GET TO IT? AND AT LEAST WAS KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I BE LATE TO RESPOND TO MR. BROWN.
UM, WELL, I WAS JUST SAY, I KNOW I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. TON TODAY.
UM, A QUESTION I HAVE IS, HAS EVERYTHING BEEN RESOLVED? I KNOW THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THERE WERE STILL SOME DIFFERENCES OF OPINION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS, ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS IN AGREEMENT WITH WHATEVER PLAN IS BEING PROPOSED.
HAS THAT BEEN RESOLVED? NO, NOT ALL OF THEM.
UM, THE MAJORITY IS, UM, WE HAD A SURVEY COMPANY, AMEN.
AND RECREATE THE ENTIRE MAP COVER.
SO WE HAD GOOD ACCURATE PROPERTY LINES TO WHERE BOUNDARIES WERE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PARKING.
UM, WE HAD MAPPING A DONE FOR A CONCEPT PLAN OF REALIGNING ON THE ROAD TO, UH, GET A ROAD AROUND IT.
UM, WE HAD THAT MAPPING DONE AND THOSE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS WERE MADE.
UM, ALL THAT STUFF WAS TURNED OVER TO LEGAL JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
AND THEY GO, THIS DEPARTMENT'S BUSY AND MY DEPARTMENT'S BUSY.
BUT THAT'S ABOUT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A CONCEPT DESIGN PLAN THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK ON PREPARATION TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
UM, ARE, ARE YOU DONE? I'M SORRY.
NO, I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION TOO.
UM, I KNOW WHEN WE SPOKE TODAY, UH, SO THE RESIDENTS, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, THE RESIDENTS HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING HIGHWAY TAX ON THIS THOUGH.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY PAY WELL, I'D HAVE TO CHECK.
I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU SAID EARLIER TODAY.
YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE, BUT, UM, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.
I'D HAVE TO, I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY THAT.
NOW ONE, UH, ARE WE STILL WORKING ON THE WATERLINE STUFF? YES.
IS THERE AN ESTIMATE ON WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE FINISHED? IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE.
UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LEGAL WORK TO DO.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
HE JUST GOT IT AND GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.
BUT I MEAN, DOES, DOES THE LEGAL MATTER STILL OUT?
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I MEAN, CAN YOU STILL DO THE WATER LINES BEFORE THE LEGAL QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED? I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS MATTERS OF POTENTIAL LITIGATION IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT FACTORS HERE.
UM, WE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS ON SOME, UH, AND WE WILL KEEP YOU GUYS UP TO DATE.
YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE KIND OF RECONVENE AND WE HAVE SOME NEWS TO SHARE, UH, BE HAPPY TO BRING THE COMMUNITY BACK TOGETHER FOR A MEETING UPDATE.
YOU KNOW, THE WATERLINE WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CRUMBLE IF THEY'RE CRUMBLING, BUT THE FIRE PROTECTION IS AN ISSUE FOR EVERYBODY BACK THERE.
WE HAVE ONE FIRE HYDRANT AT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT IS A VERY SERIOUS CONCERN.
AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING AS FAST AS WE CAN ON, ON THIS PROJECT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
UM, BUT WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN.
WE KNOW THAT OUR, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE, ARE AWARE OF THIS, THIS SITUATION.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA WORK ON, WE'RE GONNA WORK ON THIS AS FAST AS WE CAN TO GET A RESOLUTION AND, AND BRING SAFETY TO THE COMMUNITY.
CAN WE GET YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? I KNOW JUST, UH, DEBBIE KY.
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD? SUPERVISOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
A MR. BECK WOULD ASK THAT YOU USE THE MICROPHONE.
I BELIEVE, UH, WE GOT 'EM COMING RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
COREY
UH, I REPRESENT THE LIABLE JOINT TRUST, UH, ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS WHO IS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE WATERLINE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
AND I APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FAROH LAWRENCE COMMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING AND AT THIS MEETING AND THE CONCERNS THAT YOU RAISED ON BEHALF OF THOSE OWNERS WHO ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
THE ORDER LINES AT ISSUE ARE UNQUESTIONABLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
UM, DOCUMENTED CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD REGARDING FIRE SAFETY.
UH, APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. SUPERVISOR ABOUT THE SPEED WITH WHICH YOU INTEND TO MOVE ON.
RECTIFYING THOSE ISSUES, WHICH ARE, UM, AGAIN, UNDISPUTEDLY THE OBLIGATION OF THE TOWN.
IT'S BEEN REPRESENTED BY MR. ESTONIA AND OTHERS THAT THIS LAND AREA ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IS, AND I QUOTE, UNDEVELOPED PUBLIC PROPERTY.
THERE IS A FILED SUBDIVISION MAP, UH, FOR THE IDLE WOODS SUBDIVISION, UH, COPY OF WHICH IS IN MY HAND, WHICH CLEARLY INDICATES THAT ALL ROADS IN THE SUBDIVISION ARE PRIVATE ROADS FOR THE TOWN TO INVEST TAXPAYER MONEY AND TO PROMISE TO THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THIS SUBDIVISION THAT YOU ARE GONNA TAKE OVER THESE PRIVATE ROADS AND IMPROVE THEM, NOT ONLY IS PROVIDING COMPLETELY FALSE HOPE AND EXPECTATIONS FOR THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IS VIOLATIVE OF THE NEW YORK STATE CONSTITUTION PROHIBITION ON GIVING GIFTS OR LOANS OF PUBLIC FUNDS FOR PRIVATE PURPOSES.
I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS FOR THE TOWN TO PRODUCE A SINGLE DOCUMENT OR ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THE TOWN HAS ANY DOMINION OVER THE ROADWAYS IN THE ILE WOODS SUBDIVISION.
I APPROACHED YOU SUPERVISOR ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THIS, TO HOPEFULLY AVOID YOU AND THE TOWN BOARD, THE EMBARRASSMENT THAT YOU WILL NOW INEVITABLY FACE FOR INVESTING THE TOWN TAXPAYER'S MONEY IN A PROJECT THAT CAN AND WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED BY THE TOWN.
THE ISSUE OF THE WATERLINE AND THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT'S ON YOU.
GOD FORBID THERE SHOULD BE A FIRE IN THIS SUBDIVISION THAT WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS.
YOU NEED TO RECTIFY THE ISSUE OF THE WATERLINE AND YOU NEED TO DO SO IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS OF THE EWOOD SUBDIVISION.
I AM COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE NEW TOWN ATTORNEY.
UH, MY EFFORTS, UNFORTUNATELY, TO WORK WITH THE PRIOR TOWN ATTORNEY WENT, UH, COMPLETELY REBUFFED AND SHARE WITH YOU THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I HAVE HERE IN MY FILE, WHICH CLEARLY REFLECTS THAT THESE ARE PRIVATE PROBES FOR MR. NIA TO SAY AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT THESE CAN'T QUOTE, CAN'T BE PRIVATE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WOULD LANDLOCK ALL THOSE OTHER PARCELS AND THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A VIABLE SUBDIVISION WHEN THE MATH COVER WAS FILED IS COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS.
THE EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY THE TOWN THAT THESE ARE NOT PRIVATE ROADS IS THAT THERE IS NO SDL NUMBER
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ASSIGNED TO THEM AND THAT NO ONE HAS PAID TAX ON IT IN 85 YEARS.AND THOSE ARE DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO IMPROVE THE WATERLINE, PLEASE DO SO, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ANTICIPATE PAVING THE PRIVATE ROADWAY, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE, AND YOU COULD ASK THE TOWN HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT 24 FOOT WIDE ROADS THAT ARE APPROVED TO PUBLIC STANDARDS.
YOU ARE SELLING THESE GOOD PEOPLE A BILL OF GOODS AND I REALLY ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO YOUR DILIGENCE WITH YOUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT BEFORE YOU MAKE PROMISES THAT YOU CAN'T KEEP.
AS REGARD TO WHETHER THERE'S ANY PROOF, UH, BE AWARE, THERE'S TWO FACTORS I WANNA BRING UP ABOUT THE ACTUAL ROAD.
UH, ONE, UM, THAT HIS CLIENT, BY THE WAY, HAS TO DRIVE ACROSS TWO OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY WHERE THERE IS NO LEGAL ROAD JUST TO ACCESS THEIR HOUSE.
IF THEY WERE TOLD THAT THEY CAN'T DRIVE ON THAT LOT, THEY CAN'T GO TO THE HOUSE RELIABLES.
UM, NUMBER TWO, WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING THESE ROADS.
MYSELF, PERSONALLY, FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
WE HAVE 'EM STONED IN THE, IN THE SPRING.
WE PAY FOR THE PLOWING IN THE WINTER.
UH, IF IT WASN'T PLOWED, AMBULANCES AND STUFF COULDN'T GET DOWN THERE.
THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES, ALRIGHT? IN THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING THE ROAD FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS AND WE HAVE DOCUMENTED PROOF OF THAT.
WE CAN EASILY, IF WE NEED TO, UH, FILE FOR ADVERSE POSSESSION UNDER NEW YORK STATE LAW, IT'S OUR, WE'VE BEEN TAKING CARE OF THE ROADS.
WE THINK THEY'RE ARMS. THANK YOU MR. BROWN.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD? OKAY, THEN WE WILL GO ON TO REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS.
UH, I'D LIKE TO BE HEARD AGAIN IF I CAN IN RESPONSE TO MR. BROWN.
THE REASON WHY MR. BROWN IS HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE HE RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM SUPERVISOR HO, UH, IMPLORING HIM TO ATTEND THIS MEETING.
UH, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE, YES.
WELL, I'M JUST READING FROM, UH, MR. BROWN'S EMAIL HERE THAT SAYS, YESTERDAY EVENING I RECEIVED A CALL FROM TOWN SUPERVISOR RANDY HOPE, INFORMING US THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAD MET ON MONDAY TO ADDRESS VARIOUS TOPICS INCLUDING CAPITAL PROJECT.
THE TOWN IS INVOLVED WITH BOARD MEMBER ELIZABETH BELL QUESTIONED THE PLAN SAYING THAT THE TOWN SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF IMPROVING THE SUBDIVISION.
HO SUGGESTED THAT WE SEND EMAILS TO TOWN BOARD MEMBERS, ESPECIALLY ELIZABETH FARRA, EXPRESSING OUR CONCERN IN OUR DESIRE TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
IF THIS IS THE SORT OF TRANSPARENCY THAT
I INFORMED THE PUBLIC OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I TOLD THEM WHAT THE TOWN WAS DOING ABOUT THE SITUATION, AND IF THEY HAD CONCERNS, THEY SHOULD REACH OUT TO THE DECISION MAKERS OF THEIR COMMUNITY.
I STAND BY WHAT I SAID IN THAT EMAIL OR NOT WHAT I SAID IN THE EMAIL, BUT I STAND BY, UH, UH, MR. BROWN'S REPRESENTATION, JUDGE, BUT YOU WOULDN'T EVEN RETURN MY EMAILS OR PHONE CALLS WHEN I REACHED OUT TO YOU NUMEROUS TIMES.
I EMAILS, I RETURNED PHONE CALLS.
I UNDERSTAND YOU DIDN'T AGREE WITH WHAT I SHARED WITH YOU OR MY STANCE ON THESE ISSUES, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DIDN'T RESPOND.
YOU'RE ENTITLED TO THE, YOUR OPINION, BUT YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO THE FACTS.
I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH EACH AND EVERY EMAIL, WHICH I REACHED OUT TO YOU AND EACH AND EVERY PHONE CALL.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF THIS IS THE SORT OF TRANSPARENCY WE CAN EXPECT, THEN I SHARE THE CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
IF THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS, IT IS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, MR. AUERBACH? NO, THANK YOU.
AND JUST, I'D ALSO LIKE TO COMMENT THAT, UM, I DID RECEIVE QUITE A FEW MESSAGES, UM, EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS AND I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO ACCEPT THOSE MESSAGES.
UH, PHONE MESSAGES, UM, PHONE.
I RETURN PHONE CALLS, SIR, RIGHT AWAY.
AND I RESPOND TO THE EMAILS RIGHT AWAY AS I RESPONDED TO ALL THOSE THAT I RECEIVED.
AND IN TURN THEN MET WITH, UM, MR. ESTONIA TO, AGAIN, TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATE MYSELF ON THE ISSUE, TO TRY TO, UM, GAIN FURTHER UNDERSTANDING, TO EXPLORE WHERE WE STOOD WITH MR. HE SAID THAT IT HAD GONE TOO LEGAL TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT I, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER WAS FULLY PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS SO THAT WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN MAKE THE BEST POSSIBLE DECISIONS, WHETHER IT'S ON THE WATER, THE ROADS.
I HAD PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT, SO I ALWAYS WILL WELCOME, UM, ANY AND ALL PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS FROM OUR RESIDENTS WHEN THEY HAVE QUESTIONS.
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TRY TO PURSUE, UM, INFORMATION AND COURSES OF ACTION THAT WILL LEAD US TO, UM, RESOLUTION, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.LORENZ, YOU AND I MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE ON ANYTHING, BUT, UM, I COMMEND YOUR, THE WORK ETHIC, THE TIME YOU PUT INTO THESE, UH, ITEMS TO EDUCATE YOURSELF AS WELL AS YOUR RESPONSIVENESS TO RESIDENTS.
AND I KNEW THAT THOSE INQUIRIES WOULD BE WELL ENTERTAINED AND WELL RECEIVED BY YOU.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO ANY TIME.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YEAH, I RESPECT WHAT, WHAT YOU SAID RELATIVE TO YOUR ENTITLED TO YOUR, UH, UM, OPINION, BUT NOT THE FACTS.
SPEAKING OF THE FACTS, I'LL SUBMIT TO THE CLERK.
THESE ARE THE EMAILS THAT I REFERENCED THE ENTIRE EMAIL.
JAY, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT AND THANKS FOR COMING TODAY.
AND SO IT BRINGS US TO REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS.
WE'LL START UP FRONT WITH, UH, PLANNING ANY, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO FINANCE, EXCUSE ME, NOTHING YOUR COURT AND WE'LL COME BACK AROUND TO ASSESSING MS. MERCER.
I'LL LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE HAVE FAST TAXABLE STATUS DATE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY SENIORS WITH US IN THE FAMILY OR, UM, SEVERE ILLNESSES TO PLEASE CONTACT ME AT THE OFFICE, REACH AN EXTENSION 2, 3, 3 9.
UM, ALSO WE'RE PREPPING FOR OUR TENTATIVE ROLE, SO IT'S JUST A LOT.
PROCESSING RECEIPTS WILL BE MAILED OUT TO HALLS RESIDENCE.
I HAVE NOT RECEIVED 'EM FOR THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT THEY ASKED SOME ENGINEERING CONSULTANT THAT REPORT SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, MARCH 7TH, THE CHIEF AND SEVERAL OFFICERS WERE IN ALBANY RECEIVE OFFICIAL PROCLAMATION THAT WE KNEW IT WAS COMING, BUT IT'S
AND, UH, YOUTH RECONCI SENIOR SERVICES.
UM, WE HAVE THE DEATH AWARENESS EVENT COMING UP THURSDAY THE 14TH FROM SIXTH TO SEVEN 30 AT IT'S A FREE EVENT.
SO ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME, UM, FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE DEAF COMMUNITY, WE WELCOME YOU.
UM, THERE'LL BE SOME NICE, UH, ACTIVITIES AND, UM, LOTS OF INFORMATION.
OUR ADAPTIVE RECREATION SOCIAL WILL TAKE PLACE THE NEXT DAY, FRIDAY THE 15TH AT SIX 30.
UM, WE'RE ALL FULL FOR THAT, AS WELL AS OUR PIZZA WITH THE BUNNY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ON THE 16TH AT 11:00 AM AND IF ANYONE STILL WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND THE ECLIPSE PRESENTATIONS, THERE IS ONE ON THURSDAY, THE 21ST, 21ST AT 1:00 PM AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER ON SOUTH BUSTER, AND THERE'S ALSO ONE ON WEDNESDAY THE 27TH AT 6:30 PM HERE AT TOWN HALL.
UH, I JUST WANNA THANK THE BOARD FOR SENATOR ALBANY.
UH, IT WAS A GREAT SHOWING FROM THE HIRING SUPERINTENDENTS ALL TO NEW YORK STATE, TRYING TO GET THE FUNDING BACK FROM THE CHIPS.
UH, THE GOVERNOR, UH, TRYING TO CUT IT, UH, CUT IT DOWN.
SO HOPEFULLY OUR, OUR, UH, OUR GOING TO ALBANY WILL, UH, MAKE, UH, MAKE THEM PUT, UH, THE FUNDING BACK IN CHIPS PROGRAM, UM, BETWEEN THE CHIPS OR WHATEVER PROGRAM AND THE, UM, SAVE THE POTHOLE OR PAY THE POTHOLE THING.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET PLUGGED AND ALL BACK.
UM, RUSH, UH, MARCH 30, MARCH 1ST.
THIS, UH, THIS WEEK COMING UP.
UM, AND LARGE TRASH PICKUP STARTS APRIL 15TH.
HEY, ED, IF, IF, UH, YOU COULD GET US SOME INFORMATION ON A CHIPS PROGRAM, I, I, I THINK MAYBE WE'D BE INTERESTED IN DOING A RESOLUTION ASKING THE GOVERNOR TO RETHINK HER STANCE.
I JUST WANNA THANK THE BOARD FOR PASSING THE RESOLUTION AS ESSENTIAL AND I TO ALBANY.
THE STATE KEEPS MAKING ALL THESE CHANGES THAT THEY DON'T LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT.
SO LEGAL, I HAVE NO REPORT OTHER THAN TO REQUEST A BRIEF, VERY BRIEF EXECUTIVE SESSION TO ADDRESS A SETTLEMENT OF A CURRENT PENDING LITIGATION.
AND WE SUBMITTED A RESOLUTION EARLIER, INTERIM COUNCIL MEMBER BOG.
I DID SUBMIT SOMETHING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION RELATIVE TO SETTLEMENT GRIEVANCE AS WELL, UM, WITH THE, UH, CSCA UNION.
UM, THE, UH, I DID GO, UM, TO THE HAMBURG ARENA AND I INSPECTED THE PROFESSORS.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I TALKED TO MANY, UH, TOWN EMPLOYEES, UM, THAT INDICATE THAT THE COMPRESSORS
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ARE FINE.I DON'T LIKE THE FEAR MONGERING, UM, THAT IS, HAS BEEN DONE.
UH, I WAS TOLD THAT THOSE COMPRESSORS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A BACKUP PROFESSOR THAT WAS USED ONCE DURING THE, THE YEAR THAT THEY COULD CANNIBALIZE THOSE PARTS.
UM, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, FEAR MONGERING IS, IS IS A WAY TO GO, UM, TELL THESE POOR KIDS THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A SEASON.
THE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO, AS I SAID FROM THE TOWN THAT WORKED ON THOSE COMPRESSORS THAT WORKED AT THE ARENA, INDICATED THAT THEY'RE FINE.
SO JUST LIKE THE ATTORNEY SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINIONS, BUT NOT THE FACTS.
AND, UM, RELATIVE TO THAT, I, I DID INVESTIGATE THAT AND I FIND IT DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THAT IF ALL THIS MONEY ISN'T SPENT SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IMMEDIATELY, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THE RINK IS GONNA CLOSE.
I, I PLAYED HOCKEY, I COACH HOCKEY.
UM, I WANT TO SEE THOSE KIDS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND, AND ADULTS AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO USE THAT ARENA THE PROPER WAY.
BUT I THINK IT WAS A WISE DECISION TO TABLE THAT, TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.
I DID PUT IN KATHY, ANOTHER RESOLUTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DIDN'T, MAYBE IT WAS TOO LATE.
BUT WHAT I HAD ASKED THAT I'LL PUT IN FOR THE NEXT MEETING IS TO, UM, EXPLORE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS FOR, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER AND, AND AN ARENA IF WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING AND, AND IT'S NO, NO BIG DEAL IF IT 'CAUSE WE CAN DO IT ANOTHER TIME.
SEE, I, I HAD EMAILS FROM MY, MY PARALEGAL AND MY STAFF ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT IN ANY EVENT, NEITHER HERE NOR THERE 'CAUSE WE CAN EXPLORE THIS IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
I, I DO WANNA PUT FORTH A PROPOSAL TO GET A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, UH, RELATIVE TO ARENAS.
UM, AS MR. FIGUERA, UM, HAD SPOKE, UM, YOU KNOW, HIS BROTHER RUNS THE CROSSROADS ARENA, WHICH IS IN LOCKPORT, WHICH I'VE BEEN ON.
I'VE PLAYED ON THE ICE, I'VE COACHED THERE.
UM, THAT IS A DUAL RINK COMPLEX, BUT THERE ARE ARENAS THAT ARE FOR PROFIT, UM, THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
LEISURE RINKS BEING ONE, HOLIDAY RINKS BEING THE OTHER, HOCKEY OUTLET BEING ANOTHER.
UM, AND AMHERST IN THE PAST HAD BEEN RUN ON A PROFIT WHEN THEY CONTRACTED OUT.
THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR NAMING RIGHTS, UM, YOU KNOW, KNOW HIGH.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, CROSSROADS HAS A RESTAURANT THERE.
UH, WE COULD HOST TOURNAMENTS AND IT COULD BE REALLY GREAT FOR THE TOWN TO HAVE SUCH A FACILITY IN A MORE CENTRAL, UH, LOCATION.
AND IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND I KNOW ICE IS TOUGH TO GET, 'CAUSE I, I LITERALLY SPEND, AND I HAVE MY STAFF AND MY WIFE SPEND HOURS A A WEEK TRYING TO FIND ICE.
AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT CAME FROM THE HAMBURG HAWK SETTING, THEY SAID THERE'S ICE THAT PEOPLE WANT.
I KNOW JILL, I THINK, UM, SAID THAT, UM, A A A COMMUNITY WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND SHOULDN'T HAVE TWO SHEETS, BUT I DISAGREE.
MEANING WHEN YOU HEARD THE COACH SAY TO TRY TO GET ICE IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT, IT IS DIFFICULT.
AND HOCKEY, WHEN I WAS A KID, THERE WERE A FEW TEAMS. NOW THERE WAS A TON OF TEAMS AND HARBOR CENTER'S ALSO ANOTHER PRIVATE ENTITY.
NOW I KNOW THEY HAVE THE BRANDING RELATIVE TO THE JUNIOR SAVERS AND THEY HAVE OTHER AVENUES.
BUT WHAT I ENVISION FOR THE TOWN IS A LEGACY PROJECT WHERE THERE WOULD BE A COMMUNITY CENTER SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE AT THE CCC WHERE CHILDREN COULD COME IN.
THEY HAVE BASKETBALL COURTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WALK IN THAT, UH, WHEN I BRING MY BOY TO HOCKEY PRACTICE, SO I GO TO COACH THERE, I SEE, UH, SENIOR CITIZENS IN THE AREA.
I SEE KIDS RUNNING AROUND PLAYING BASKETBALL.
I SEE BIRTHDAY PARTIES, I SEE A POOL.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR HAMBURG.
SO MY THOUGHT BEING IS WE'RE GONNA SPEND $15 MILLION ON THESE HODGEPODGE PROJECTS.
WHY NOT REVISIT THE ISSUE OR REVISIT THE PROSPECT OF PERHAPS EVEN TAX CREDITS WE COULD EXPLORE, BUT TO MAKE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WHERE IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN, UM, AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO THAT, THAT'S ALL, UM, THAT I WANTED TO SAY.
UM, I WANNA THANK COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, LORENZ, UM, FARRELL, FAR LORENZ, UH, WE TALK REGULARLY.
MR. COZA AND I TALK, AND, AND, AND BETH'S BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A LONG TIME AND SHE HAS A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE AND I APPRECIATE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT SHE HAS BECAUSE, UH, UH, IT'S A LEARNING CURVE.
UM, I'VE ONLY BEEN IN, IN THE JOB HERE TWO MONTHS AND I HAVE A LOT TO LEARN AND SHE'S HELPED ME A LOT, LEARN ABOUT A LOT OF THE ISSUES.
'CAUSE SHE HAS SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
UM, I WOULD ALSO, UM, AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN.
I THINK WE CAN IMPROVE OUR DISCOURSE
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ON THIS, ON THIS BOARD.UM, MR. HOKE AND I SHOULD WORK TOWARDS THAT TO, TO BE, UH, TO TRY TO WORK TOGETHER.
I SAID WE'RE HERE FOR A, A SPECIFIC PURPOSE, TOWN OF HAMBURG.
IT'S NOT ABOUT FRANK BOSKY, IT'S NOT ABOUT RANDY HO OR DAN COZA TOWN OF HAMBURG, UH, IS WHERE I GREW UP.
MARY'S TOWN OF HAMBURG WAS HERE LONG BEFORE RANDY HOKE AND FRANK WOLSKI.
AND IT'S GONNA BE HERE A LOT LONGER AFTER US.
AND WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT AS INDIVIDUALS ON THIS BOARD, THAT WE'RE SIMPLY THE SHEPHERDS, RIGHT? WE'RE, IT'S NOT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT AUTOCRATIC.
WE WANT, I PRESUME WE ALL WANT HERE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, WHAT'S BETTER FOR OUR TOWN GOING FORWARD, FOR OUR RESIDENTS, OUR CITIZENS.
WE'RE NOT, NOT DOING THIS FOR THE MONEY.
IT'S A $20,000 JOB THAT AS, AS A COUNCILMAN THAT YOU SPEND A LOT MORE TIME THAN $20,000.
RIGHT? AND, BUT I I, I JUST WANNA LET THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT I, I GO TO WORK EVERY DAY TO TRY TO COME UP WITH BETTER IDEAS AND PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE.
AND I'VE, I'VE SAID THAT IN, IN, IN MEETINGS BEFORE.
UM, AND RESIDENTS, MAYBE THEY DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT I TABLED THAT BECAUSE I'M STUDYING THIS VERY CAREFULLY AND I TAKE THE FIDUCIARY DUTIES VERY CAREFULLY.
BUT VOLTAIRE SAID, AND, AND, AND THE ATTORNEY SAID RELATIVE THE, THE FACTS.
UM, YOU, I MAY DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT I'LL FIGHT TO THE, THAT PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT.
SO I WELCOME CRITICISM BECAUSE I, AND WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE IT MAKES ME ANALYZE MYSELF AND BE A BETTER COUNCIL PERSON OR COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, FOR THE TOWN THAT, THAT, THAT WE SERVE.
SO THANK YOU ALL THE PEOPLE FOR BEING HERE.
A LOT OF YOU THAT ARE HERE, UM, AND, AND, AND PROVIDING YOU INPUT AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
WELL, I'LL TRY TO KEEP MINE SHORT, UM, UH, TO A RESIDENCE OVER THERE AT THE EAST ARNOLD.
I, I'M, UH, ON THE ENGINEERING, UH, LIAISON AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MR. ANIAK OVER THERE REGARDING THE ISSUES.
AND THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE FEAR AND EVERYTHING IS GETTING THE WATER LINES IN THERE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
I KNOW THERE'S A LEGAL ISSUE GOING ON.
SO, UM, THERE IS A DELAY IN THAT.
UM, HOPEFULLY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT MAY BE, WE COULD STILL RUN THE WATER LINE SO THERE'S FIRE HYDRANTS IN THE VICINITY.
'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UH, VERY GOOD FOR ANYBODY.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYBODY HAVE A HAPPY SAFE ST.
PATRICK'S MONTH, SHOULD WE SAY THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE AGAIN FOR DAN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER COMING FIRST.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THE CONGRA OR THE CELEBRATORY OF ST.
BUT, UM, ON OTHER THINGS TO ANNOUNCE OR RECOGNIZE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CONGRATULATIONS.
I KNOW THAT ACCREDITATION TOOK QUITE SOME TIME AND A LOT OF EFFORT ON YOUR DEPARTMENTS HAVE SIDE.
SO I TRULY, TRULY APPRECIATE THE, LIKE, WORK YOU GUYS PUT IN TO DISTINGUISH YOURSELVES AND DO THAT.
AND PLEASE LET, UH, AND WHILE IT IS ST.
PATRICK'S DAY, AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS MONTH, IT IS WOMEN'S SISTER MONTH.
SO AS A WOMAN, I WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY REMISS TO SIT HERE AND NOT RECOGNIZE WOMEN HISTORY MONTH BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE MY GRANDMOTHER WATCHING ME NOW IN TOWN BOARD AND LEADING PUBLIC, UM, BEING A PUBLIC ACTIVIST AND BEING AS INVOLVED IN MY COMMUNITY AND ALSO RAISING MY CHILDREN AND WORKING FULL-TIME, IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BLOW HER MIND.
BUT I STAND ON THE SHOULDERS OF THOSE WOMEN WHO MADE THOSE FIRST STEPS.
SO I'M SURE COUNCIL MEMBER LOREN FEELS THE SAME WAY.
WE WOULDN'T BE HERE WITHOUT THE WOMEN WHO LED BEFORE US.
AND WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WE ARE DOING A JOB WORTHY OF THEIR EFFORTS, BUT ALSO TO RAISE UP THE ONES COMING BEHIND US.
SO TAKE A MOMENT, CONGRATULATE THE WOMEN AROUND YOU.
CONGRATULATE THE WHO CAME BEFORE YOU, THE WOMEN WHO RAISED YOU, THE WOMEN WHO MADE YOU, BECAUSE IT'S WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH.
THANKS FOR TOLERATING ME, HONEY.
AND I WON'T JUST TO TRY TO GO, UM, QUICKER.
I WON'T REPEAT, UH, OTHER THAN TO SAY YES.
I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT IS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH, AND I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER THAN COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, ERFORD SAID IT, SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND JUST, UM, THANK HER FOR SAYING IT SO WELL.
UM, AND ALSO I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AGAIN, I WON'T GO INTO IT FOR, FOR BREVITY BECAUSE YOU SAID IT SO WELL.
UM, BUT I KNOW HOW MUCH WORK IT WAS AND SO THERE, YEAH.
AND CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE.
AND ALSO THAT HELPS ME SEGUE INTO, UM, A THANK YOU TO CAPTAIN T WHO THIS WEEK, UM, ACCOMPANIED ME TO THE WOMEN'S, UH, FRIENDSHIP GROUP.
THEY HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING AND IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IT, I THINK I'M GONNA START GOING.
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LOT OF FUN AND IT'S RIGHT AND IT'S, IT'S A BIG GROUP AND THEY HAVE SNACKS.THEY HAVE SNACKS, RIGHT? BIG HAVE SNACKS.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO IT'S, IT, THEY MEET MONTHLY AT THE SENIOR CENTER AND THEY ACTUALLY CONTACTED ME, UH, TO ATTEND A MEETING AND ASKED WHO DID I THINK I'D LIKE TO BRING AS A SPEAKER? AND I THOUGHT OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT REACHED OUT, CAPTAIN ERIC WORKED WITH ME OVER THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, AND IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT WHEN AT THE END THEY WANNA KNOW IF THEY CAN HAVE US BACK.
UM, SO CAPTAIN ERIC COVERED A LOT OF THE, UM, SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE OF ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, PROVIDES AND HOW THEY'RE INTERWOVEN INTO SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS DAY TO DAY.
UM, HE COVERED ALL OF THOSE SERVICES.
HE COVERED A LOT ABOUT, UM, THE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WHO WE NOW EMPLOY.
HE ALSO TALKED A LOT WITH THEM ABOUT, UM, PERSONAL SAFETY, WHETHER IT BE ONLINE, PHYSICAL, PERSONAL SAFETY, ET CETERA.
AND I THINK ALL OF THOSE, YOU COULD SEE WHERE SOME, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THEY WERE LIKE, OH YES, I DO THAT.
BUT IT, THERE WERE SOME GREAT IDEAS THAT YOU COULD SEE THE LIGHT BULB AND, AND PEOPLE WERE DEFINITELY NOTING THAT.
UM, AND SO IT REALLY WAS HELPFUL AND IT WAS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY POLICING EFFORTS AND, AND WHY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOW ACCREDITED AND WHY WE SHOULD BE SO PROUD OF THEM.
UM, LAST WEEK OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION TEAM MET, AND UM, PART OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON THERE IS THAT WE, UM, APPLIED FOR A GRANT LAST YEAR AND WE WERE AWARDED $125 GRANT TO NOW, NOT SO THAT THAT PLAN DOESN'T STAY ON A SHELF SOMEWHERE, SO THAT WE TAKE THAT PLAN AND WE TAKE IT FORWARD WITH THE ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE NEEDED SO THAT IT IS A FLUID LIVING DOCUMENT THAT THEN WILL CARRY OUT THE VISION OF THE TOWN.
SO WE'RE EXCITED THAT WE GOT THAT GRANT.
THE, UM, TEAM MET LAST WEEK AND IT WAS A VERY ROBUST QUICK PACE MEETING.
THERE WERE SOME ASSIGNMENTS ALREADY GIVEN, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING MY WORK WITH THAT GROUP.
WHAT IS IT? OH, I ALREADY PASSED OUT.
WE, I THINK I NOTED BEFORE WE WENT TO A GREAT CONFERENCE LAST MONTH.
UM, I BROUGHT BACK A LOT OF MATERIALS.
I WENT TO AS MANY DIFFERENT SESSIONS AS I COULD EACH OF THE DAYS.
UM, SOMETIMES COUNCIL MEMBER ERFORD AND I WOULD CROSS PASS AND WE'D SAY, OKAY, YOU GO HERE, I'LL GO THERE.
UM, AND I GRABBED AS MANY COPIES AS OF EVERYTHING AS I COULD GET.
AND I DISTRIBUTED A LOT TO FINANCE, TO LEGAL.
I HAVE IT IN THE MAIL TO PLANNING TO ZONING TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, MY ASSISTANTS, MAKING SOME ADDITIONAL COPIES FOR WHOEVER DIDN'T GET IT.
BUT IT WAS A WIDE RANGE OF TOPICS FROM THE NEW FINANCIAL REPORTING TO POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO, UM, I'M EXCITED TO BE AT THE, UM, NEXT MONTH'S MEETING OF THE CAB BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, I WENT TO A SESSION ON POLLINATOR GARDENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO IT WAS A WIDE RANGE OF TOPICS AND, AND IT WAS MY PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
FINALLY, UM, THIS GREAT WEATHER HAS BEEN WONDERFUL FOR US IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR OUR B AND G DEPARTMENT, WHO HAS BEEN RIGHT ON TOP OF IT.
AND THEY HAVE SEIZED THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE GOOD WEATHER TO GET STARTED ON MANY THINGS SO THAT THEY CAN GET OUR PARKS, OUR FACILITIES, EVERYTHING READY FOR THE COMMUNITY AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO THEY ARE ALWAYS OUT THERE READY AND AS SOON AS THERE'S NO RAIN AND SOMETIMES EVEN IN THE RAIN, AND WITH THE GOOD WEATHER, THEY, THEY WERE ALREADY GETTING GOING ON EVERYTHING.
I WASN'T NO, YOU'RE STILL SHORT ENOUGH FRAME
SO I HAVE JUST A FEW ITEMS. UH, SOME OF 'EM I'M GONNA REPEAT JUST BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE WORTHY OF REPETITION.
UH, THE HAMBURG COALITION FOR EQUITY INCLUSION IN CELEBRATION OF INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S MONTH, UH, WILL BE HOLDING ITS ANNUAL WOMEN OF DISTINCTION EVENT ON, I'M SORRY, I HAD THAT PULLED UP.
I BELIEVE IT IS THE LAST SUNDAY THE MONTH, UH, UH, MARCH 24TH AT 2:00 PM UH, AND IF YOU KNOW A WOMAN OF DISTINCTION WHO HAS WORKED TO ADVANCE, UH, DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION, WHICH IS THIS YEAR'S THEME, UH, PLEASE CONSIDER NOMINATING THAT PERSON.
YOU CAN CONTACT MY OFFICE FOR MORE DETAILS.
UM, THE HAMBURG MOVES COMMITTEE BIG MEETING WILL TAKE PLACE TOMORROW NIGHT AT THE SENIOR CENTER AT 7:00 PM.
ALSO, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH TOWN HALL AND OUR PARKING LOT, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING CLOSEST TO TOPS, UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL HANDICAPPED, UM, ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE NOTED BY, BY SIGNS.
AND THEN CLOSEST TO THE DOOR, THERE'S A RESERVED PARKING SIGN.
YOU'RE GONNA NOTICE A CHANGE IN THAT TOMORROW.
SINCE THAT LOCATION IS CLOSEST TO OUR VETERANS OUTREACH OFFICE, THERE WILL BE A VETERANS ONLY PARKING SIGN THANKING VETERANS FOR THEIR SERVICE.
AND WE'LL HAVE OUR BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS CREW PUT THAT UP.
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TOMORROW.THAT'LL BE THE DOOR, THE SPOT CLOSEST TO THE DOOR.
AND FINALLY, THE POLICE ACCREDITATION.
AND WHAT MAKES IT SO HUGE? IT'S OPTIONAL.
THEY'VE CHOSEN TO DO THIS, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN LIVE UP TO THE STANDARDS IN THAT ACCREDITATION.
THIS STUFF DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
CHANGE IS VERY DIFFICULT IN AN ORGANIZATION.
AND CHIEF EZ IS LEADERSHIP TEAM ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ROOKIES ON THE FORCE ARE COMMITTED TO BEING A 21ST CENTURY FIRST CLASS DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY'VE SHOWED THAT ESPECIALLY RECENTLY.
SO CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR EFFORTS.
UM, AND, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THIS ACCREDITATION IS BACK IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS A MATTER RELATED TO LITIGATION.
I THINK THERE'S TWO THEY WANT TO DISCUSS.