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PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, FOR WHICH STANCE ONE NATION HAVE INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY.
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE HONOR, I WAS JUST INFORMED BY COUNCILMAN COZA THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE EXPECTING COUNCIL MEMBER BOSKY.
SO WE CAN MOVE RIGHT INTO, UH, OUR FIRST PRESENTATION FROM UH, ALLIANCE HOMES.
THERE'S ALSO ENOUGH FOR THE CLERK OFFICE.
WHILE AARON'S DOING THAT, I'LL BEGIN.
UM, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
ALSO WITH ME, ANDY ROKI AND AARON ROKI.
BUT MORE LAST TOOK A LOOK AT THIS PROPOSED DOWN ZONE DURING THE MEETING ALL THE WAY BACK ON JANUARY 20TH, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO SOMEBODY TO GIVE AN UPDATE AND OF COURSE AS WE PROCEED, WE BE WELCOME.
ANY QUESTIONS THERE HAVE, AS YOU'LL RECALL, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS DOWN ZONE APPROXIMATELY 6.88 ACRES FROM THE SUB SITE, FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
AND THAT WOULD BE TO ACCOMMODATE A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WAY BACK IN ITS MEETING NOVEMBER 1ST OF LAST YEAR, DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AS WELL AS THE ISSUANCE FOR NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
HOW CAN I DO IT? THERE'S A PROJECT SITE ON SOUTHWESTERN, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY IN THE VICINITY AND WE HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DIRECTLY BEHIND US.
THERE'S A SPLIT ZONING, SO IT'S CURRENTLY BUILT C ONE IN R THREE.
WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS C IS THE C ONE DOWN ZONING OF THE C ONE R THREE.
WILL THAT ENTIRE PARCEL BE DEVELOPED OR JUST THE C? WHAT'D YOU SAY? WILL THE ENTIRE PARCEL BE DEVELOPED OR JUST THE C? NO, BE THE C ONE UNDER.
THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS BUT NO BUILDINGS ON THERE PUTS EXISTING R.
WILL THERE BE OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THE R THREE? NO, WE'VE AGREED THAT WE'LL DEED
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RESTRICT THE PERMANENT OPENING SPACE AND YOU'LL SEE THAT'S ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS.SO THIS IS THE PLAN WE PRESENTED AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU'LL NOTICE THE BUILDINGS WERE ORIENTED SO THE BACKS FACE THE RESIDENCE DIRECTLY BEHIND US.
THERE YOU CAN SEE THE PERMANENT OPENING SPACE.
THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A DEED RESTRICTION FENCING ALONG THE BACK WITH DENSE EVERGREEN TREES ALONG WITH THE WALKING TRAIL.
AND THESE ARE JUST SOME ELEVATIONS OF THE ORCHARD GROVE PROJECT THAT ANDY SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED ORCHARD PARK.
JUST SHOWING YOU THE FLAVOR OF THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS.
THIS IS A OVERVIEW OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT HIS TEAM HAS WORKED ON.
I MENTIONED ORCHARD GROVE, WALNUT GROVE AND AMHERST ON UNION ROAD.
UM, AVALON TOWN HOMES IN AMHERST, 62 NORTH TOWN HOMES, WHICH IS ON BAILEY AVENUE IN AMHERST.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THROUGHOUT HIS WEST NORTH PORTFOLIO HE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT LEASED WITH WAITING LISTS AND THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON IN ANY WEST COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF MULTI-FAMILY GIVEN THE HOUSING CRISIS, WHICH WE ALL KNOW VERY WELL IS OCCURRING.
SO TIMELINE, WE BEGAN THIS ALL THE WAY BACK ON MAY 17TH OF LAST YEAR PLANNING BOARD SKETCH PLAN REVIEW.
AS I MENTIONED, THE PLANNING BOARD DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL DURING ITS MEETING ON NOVEMBER 1ST.
UM, SUBSEQUENT TO THE MEETING WE HAD PUBLIC HEARING WE HAD WITH YOU IN JANUARY 20TH.
UH, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE TWO INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS ON APRIL 4TH AND APRIL 24TH.
AND A COUPLE OF THOSE RESIDENTS ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
I THINK ONE OF THEM AT LEAST WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND GIVE THEIR OPINION OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED RECENTLY A PROJECT UPDATE LETTER THAT BASICALLY SUMMARIZES THE REMAINDER OF THE PRESENTATION THAT I'M GONNA TRY AND WALK THROUGH BRIEFLY.
I DO WANNA KNOW THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY LABORATORY FAMILY, WHICH IS THE LONGTIME OWNER OF THIS SITE, THEY'VE OWNED IT FOR 30 YEARS, DID SUBMIT A SKETCH PLAN TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON MARCH 4TH, SHOWING A COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY PROJECT BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING OF THAT PROJECT.
WOULD BE MUCH MORE INTENSIVE, WOULD NOT REQUIRE REZONING, HOWEVER, WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AND WHAT THEY SHOWED WAS A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT BANK.
THREE TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITH FIRST FLOOR RETAIL SPACE AND SECOND FLOOR OFFICE, BUT OFFICE SPACE SIZE OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET OR A FOOTPRINT 264 PARKING SPACES.
AND THEN TWO MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS WHICH THEY COULD FIT TWO MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS OVER ON THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT ZONED R THREE.
UM, THEY HAVE HELD OFF ON ADVANCING THAT SINCE THE MARCH 20TH MEETING PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THE DOWN ZONE THAT WE'RE SEEKING.
SO BASED ON THE MAKE MEETINGS WE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORS TWICE AGAIN APRIL 4TH AND APRIL 24TH, WE'VE MADE SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL MODIFICATIONS.
UM, WE'VE REORIENTED THE TWO STORY 12 UNIT BUILDINGS, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND.
WE'VE AGREED THAT THAT PORTION OF THOSE BUILDINGS ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT WILL FACE THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND US WILL NOT HAVE ANY WINDOWS.
SO THERE'LL BE NO ONE PEERING DOWN IN ANY ONE BACK BACKYARD.
UH, WE'VE ALSO AGREED THAT THE REQUIRED REAR YARD SETBACK WILL BE 50 FEET.
WE'VE AGREED TO INSTALL AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE RATHER THAN A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE REAR.
THAT WOULD BE LOCATED 10 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'VE AGREED TO A STAGGERED ROLL OF EVERGREEN TREES, THE MINIMUM PLANTING HEIGHT OF SIX FEET, AND A MINIMUM PLANTING SEPARATION OF 15 FEET, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST ANY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WOULD RECOMMEND.
AND WE'VE ALSO AGREED THAT ANY DUMPSTERS TO BE LOCATED ON THE SITE SHALL BE ENCLOSED BY A SIX FOOT FENCE.
AND ALL THOSE MODIFICATIONS REFLECT INPUT WE'VE RECEIVED.
SO THIS IS THE CURRENT PLAN AND WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN REORIENTED.
SO INSTEAD OF THE LONGER SIDE FACING THE RESIDENCE, WE HAVE THE SHORT SIDE AND THE PARKING WILL BE LOCATED BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS.
I BELIEVE AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT WAS ACTUALLY A SUGGESTION BY A RESIDENT WAS A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION.
WE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND MAKE SURE WE CAN MAKE THAT LAYOUT WORK, BUT IT DOES.
AND THEN AGAIN, I ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ALL THIS SUBSTANTIAL PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, WHICH WILL STILL BE LEAVING ON THE PORTION OF THE SITE.
SO WE'RE MAKING ALL THOSE CHANGES.
THAT PERMANENT OPEN SPACE WOULD BE ABOUT FIVE ACRES OF THE PROJECT SITE AND WOULD BE PROTECTED VIA THE RECORDING FOR DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS.
AS I MENTIONED, THE PLANNING BOARD DID ISSUE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, PROVIDED YOU WITH A VERY DETAILED REPORT, UM, REFERENCE CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THREE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, IT TOOK THEIR TIME OUT OF THEIR SCHEDULES TO GO MEET AND TAKE A TOUR OF THE ORCHARD GROVE APARTMENT HOMES AND PROVIDED POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON ITS LAYOUT, MAINTENANCE, GREEN SPACE LANDSCAPING MANAGEMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
OH, AND THEN I WANT TO FINALIZE WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE.
SO IN TERMS OF THAT UPDATED PLAN THAT WE'VE PRESENTED WHERE WE'VE REORIENTED THE BUILDINGS, WE'VE ADDED THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UM, SHOWING THE WALKING TRAIL, WE'RE SHOWING THE PERMIT OPEN SPACE.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IS IF THE TOWN BOARD AGREES TO APPROVE THIS DOWN ZONING, WHAT ASSURANCE, IF ANY DO WE GET THAT YOU ACTUALLY THEN PROCEED WITH THAT LAYOUT VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE PERMITTED IN THE R THREE DISTRICT? AND WE'VE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION BY PROPOSING A
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SERIES OF ZONING CONDITIONS THAT IF YOU APPROVE THE DOWN ZONING, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU IMPOSE THESE CONDITIONS SO THAT THEY WILL BE BINDING ON THE APPLICANT, BINDING ON ANY FUTURE ORDER.THE SITE TO ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE DEPICTED.
SO I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICKLY.
A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT OF 35 FEET, TWO STORIES.
UH, THERE SHALL BE NO MORE THAN 60 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE SITE.
THE MAXIMUM UNITS PER BUILDING SHALL BE 12.
MEANING WE CAN'T COME BACK WITH TWO 30 UNIT BUILDINGS.
THE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING SHALL BE LOCATED SUCH AS THE SHORTER END OF THE BUILDINGS FACE THE REAR BOUNDARY PER THE PLAN WE'VE SUBMITTED TO YOU DATED MAY 9TH.
THERE SHALL NOT BE ANY SECOND FLOOR BALCONIES OR WINDOWS ON THE SHORTER END OF THE BUILDINGS.
IT'S ORIENTED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROJECT SITE.
THE MINIMUM REAR YARD SETBACK SHALL BE 50 FEET.
WE SH SHALL INSTALL AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ALONG THE RELEVANT PORTION OF THE BA BACK PROPERTY LINE AS WE GET CLOSER TO HOWARD ROAD RIGHT AWAY.
THAT HAS TO DROP TO FOUR FEET IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH YOUR CODE CONDITION.
NUMBER SEVEN, WE WILL PLANT STAGGERED ROW OF EVERGREEN TREES WITH MINIMUM PLANTING HEIGHT OF SIX FEET.
THE MINIMUM PLANTING OR PLANTING SEPARATION OF 15 FEET WITHIN OUR SITE ON THE INSIDE OF THAT FENCE TO BE LOCATED 10 FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
ALL DUMPSTERS ON THE SITE SHALL BE ENCLOSED BY A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE.
WE WILL INSTALL A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, CONDITION NINE THAT COMPLIES WITH ALL STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE NEED TO HANDLE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, FOLLOWING UP ON COUNCILMAN COMERFORD QUESTION THAT FIVE ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE SHOWN ON THE PLAN SHALL BE PERMANENTLY PROTECTED VIA THE RECORDING OF A DECLARATION OF RESTRICTIONS AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.
WE ALSO HAVE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY SEEKER, I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED IN GREAT DETAIL THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING IN OUR SUBMISSIONS WHY WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN PLAN WHERE IT'S RECOMMENDATION ON NOVEMBER 1ST OF LAST YEAR.
THAT'LL HAVE TO BE DONE AS WELL.
WE DID SUBMIT A DETAILED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
ONE REAL IMPORTANT POINT THAT I WANNA MAKE WHERE THERE'S A CONSENSUS BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE APPLICANT IS WHILE IT'S BEEN REVISITED SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO DATE, THEY HAVE INDICATED THEY WILL NOT ALLOW OR WRITE IN WRITE OUT ONLY DRIVEWAY ONTO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO WE WOULD ASK, NOT FOR THIS EVENING'S MEETING, BUT FOR NEXT MEETING, THAT YOU ADOPT A RESOLUTION ASKING FOR DOT TO RECONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE'S NO HARM WITH WRITE IN WRITE OUT 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT CROSSING INCOMING LANES OF TRAFFIC.
SO WHILE IT'S NOT A CONDITION OF THE REZONING, 'CAUSE NO ONE CAN GUARANTEE THE OUTCOME, WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND COLLABORATE WITH YOU, THE RESIDENTS, THE APPLICANT, AND THE TALENT BOARD TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM TO REVISIT THAT DECISION AND THEN HOPEFULLY MAYBE ALLOW THAT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ACCESS THAT WE SHOWED ON ONE OF THE PREVIOUS PLANS.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, ULTIMATELY WE ARE HOPING, UM, THAT YOU'LL AGREE THIS IS PREFERABLE TO THE AS OF RIGHT DEVELOPMENT PER THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE LABORATORY FAMILY.
AGAIN, YOU WANNA EXPRESS APPRECIATION THAT NEARBY RESIDENTS FOR MEETING WITH US, IMPROVING THE PROJECT LAYOUT.
AND OF COURSE WE WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
AS I INDICATED, I KNOW AT LEAST ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BRIEFLY IF THEY CAN.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, LET'S HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS ALL.
WE LIVE RIGHT ON CARLY'S FLOOR.
UM, SO WE'RE REPRESENTING FOR THE HOUSEHOLDS THERE AND WE'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU SEAN, AND ALLIANCE FOR INVITING US TO SPEAK TODAY.
SO AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, SIX MONTHS AGO WHEN WE WERE HERE IN JANUARY, WE WERE ALL VERY OPPOSED AND SAYING WE DON'T WANT DEVELOPMENT OF ANY KIND.
AND I THINK WHILE THERE'S NOT CONSENSUS AMONG THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME RESIDENTS DON'T FEEL THAT WAY AFTER MEETING WITH ALLIANCE AND WE REALIZE IT'S WE DON'T OWN THE LAND, IT'S NOT UP TO US, UM, THAT IF THERE WAS A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD, AT LEAST THESE HOUSEHOLDS PREFERRED THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY BY SEAN.
I THINK OUR BIGGEST CONCERN AND WHERE WE DO HAVE CONSENSUS IS ADDING A RESOLUTION, ADOPTING RESOLUTION RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
WE'RE JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY AND WITH EVER PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE'RE WILLING TO WRITE A LETTER, WE'RE WILLING TO COLLABORATE WITH ALLIANCE TO WRITE A LETTER.
SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO EXPRESS AND VOICE OUR CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ABOVE OF IMPORTANT TO US.
BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS WITH THE BUILDERS TO SIT DOWN AND SAY, HOW CAN WE BUILD A GREAT COMMUNITY FOR ALL OF US? SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND, UM, AS AT LEAST FOUR TO FIVE HOUSEHOLDS ON CARPORT.
UM, I'M SURE ALMOST ALL OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN COMING OFF OF SOUTHWESTERN ON THE HOWARD ROAD THERE, WHERE THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY IS, IS AN EXTREMELY SHORT DISTANCE BETWEEN, UM, SOUTHWESTERN AND THE OUTBOUND TRAFFIC.
AND THE AMOUNT OF ACCIDENTS THERE ALREADY ARE, UM, NUMEROUS ALONG WITH RESIDENTS AND PEDESTRIANS WALKING THERE.
AND JUST THAT DISTANCE IS SO CONCERNING, UM, FOR ANYONE TURNING THERE IN THE MORNINGS OR COMING HOME FROM WORK AND JUST REALLY FEEL
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LIKE IT WOULD BE, UM, A CAUSE OF CONCERN, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE OF US LIVING ON PARLEY SPORTS SLOPE CLOSE TO THAT UH, OUTBOUND STREET.THANK YOU FOR TAKING, UH, SOME TIME OUT ON A MONDAY NIGHT AND SUMMER TO, UH, TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, I THINK THAT, UH, THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, CERTAINLY THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS, THE DEVELOPER, THE BUSINESS INTERESTS, AND THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
UH, BUT IT DOES SEEM AS THOUGH THERE IS ROOM FOR SOME COMPROMISE.
UM, AND UH, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THE, UH, THE BEST TO BECOME THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD IN THIS SITUATION.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT TO, TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND, AND WE WANNA, AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, THANK THE RESIDENTS FOR PARTICIPATING IN THAT COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.
UM, MINE, MINE JUST, I I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS THE LAST YOUNG LADY THAT SPOKE, RIGHT? IS THE, THE SAFETY IN PUTTING A A, A DRIVEWAY OR ROADWAY INTO HOWARD ROAD THERE, THAT SHORT DISTANCE, LET'S FACE IT, IT'S A 45 MILE AN HOUR ROAD.
IF I'M COMING FROM CAMP ROAD AND I WANNA HURRY UP AND BEAT THAT TRAFFIC AND MAKE THAT LIGHT AND I MAKE THAT LEFT HAND TURN AND SOMEBODY'S PULLING OUT, OR THERE'S A CAR STUCK THERE OR A BUS COMING OUT AND IT'S STUCK THERE AND YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MAKES THE TURN DRIVING OVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE SPEED IS OVER THERE, RIGHT? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WOULD THE BOARD, THERE'S NOT A BIG DISTANCE BETWEEN SOUTHWESTERN AND THE LAST HOUSE THAT WAS JUST PUT UP, RIGHT? WOULD THE BOARD BE WANTING, AGAIN, NOT TONIGHT TO, UM, SUPPORT A RESOLUTION ASKING DOT TO RECONSIDER THAT? I, I WOULD RATHER THAT THAN MM-HMM.
WHAT IS THE PARCEL THAT IS AFTER THE R THREE? LIKE OTHER, WHICH PARCEL DO YOU MEAN? WHICH DIRECTION? SO LABORATORIES WOULDN'T OWN IT.
IT'S NEXT ONE DOWN BECAUSE DOT IS VERY BIG ON SHARED EGRESS.
NEXT PARCEL DOWN IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WE CAN GO BACK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING TOO, IF DO T'S GONNA COME IN AND ASK US.
OH THERE'S ONLY SEE THAT LITTLE PIECE ALL THERE IS JUST THAT.
SO THAT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING DOWN THERE.
SO THE NEXT EGRESS POINTS ARE STREETS NOT, THERE'S NO OTHER RETAIL NO.
OR NURSING HOMES OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE ON THAT SIDE.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THIS TOWN NOR THE APPLICANT NOR THE NEIGHBORS HAS JURISDICTION OVER SOUTHWESTERN.
I DO WANNA KNOW, WE HAVE MADE THE EFFORT, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE MADE THE EFFORT.
I THINK JOSH HAS ACTUALLY MET WITH DOT, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH ONE LAST TRY.
AND I'M, BY WAY OF COMPARISON, THE PLANS THAT THE LABORATORY THAT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IMPACTS WOULD BE EIGHT TIMES AS MUCH TRAFFIC DURING PEAK PERIODS.
'CAUSE AGAIN, MUCH MORE INTENSIVE.
THAT INCLUDES COMMERCIAL SPACE.
JOSH, WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE, THE PROJECT TO THE RIGHT OF THE PROJECTS, LIKE THE TRIANGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY, CAN YOU FIND OUT WHO OWNS IT? FOR ME? YEP.
IT'S AN ODDLY SHAPED PIECE OF PROPERTY.
HEY, DO YOU KNOW WHO WAS IT? FIND ON MY ON CAR LEASE OR ON THE ONE OVER HERE CLOSE TO WHERE IT'S LABELED FOSTER BROOK SR.
JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE F JUST THE LEFT OF THAT.
WHAT, WHICH PARCEL? THE LITTLE, THAT LITTLE ROAD OR THE LITTLE? NO, THIS, THIS PARCEL HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HERE, YEAH, THERE THAT ONE MAN OWNS IT.
THERE'S THE HOUSE HE OWN, THAT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL HOMES BEHIND AND ON THE SIDE.
SO IT'S DEVELOPED THAT LITTLE QUA, THAT TRIANGLE.
SO THERE'S ALREADY A HOUSE PARK? YES.
SO THERE, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR A SHARED DRIVER IN THE SOUTHWEST.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND PUT SOMETHING IN THAT ODD TRIANGLE FROM, FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
IT SHOULDN'T REALLY, SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
IT'S LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, LIMITED ACCESS.
WHERE WOULD YOU LOCATE THAT? UM, WE HAD ON THE, WHO WAS LOCATED? IT WAS LOCATED ANDY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS
IT'S IN THE MIDDLE APPROXIMATELY I THINK.
YEAH, I'LL AND THE CENTER UP PORTION THAT'S, YEAH.
SO AROUND, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT AROUND RIGHT HERE.
I SAY ABOUT 300 FEET FROM HOWARD ROAD.
FURTHER THAT'S WHAT WE STILL HAVE A DRIVEWAY UNDER HOWARD.
SO WE'D HAVE A FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY ONTO HOWARD 'CAUSE THAT'S
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WHERE THE SIGNAL IS.AND RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ON SOUTHWESTERN.
BUT AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE MADE THIS, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH RESIDENTS.
WE DON'T THINK ANY DECISION SHOULD BE CONDITIONED ON THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T CONTROL.
BUT WE DO THINK EVERYONE MAKING A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO SEE IF WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO HARM IN CHARGE.
AND I'LL PROVIDE THE TOWN WITH A LETTER EXPRESSING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THAT.
AND THEN I'M ASSUMING YOU'VE REACHED OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE INCREASE IN DENSITY.
'CAUSE WE'RE GOING FROM 20 UNITS TO 60 PROPOSED UNITS.
WELL I ASSUME THE TOWN HAS DONE THAT.
BUT IT'S USUALLY PART OF THE COORDINATOR REVIEW.
BUT IN TERMS OF SCHOOL CHILDREN, ANNIE, WHAT IS ONE OF THE NUMBERS IN HERE? JUST, UH, NINE STUDENTS TO 150 UNITS.
SO IF YOU EXTRAPOLATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH 60 UNITS YOU'RE AT ABOUT FIVE TO SIX
YOU'RE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM A HIGH SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
YOU DON'T, THESE UNITS GENERALLY DON'T ATTRACT, A LOT OF SCHOOLS SHOW THEY JUST DON'T.
THEY DON'T, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE'VE CHECKED, THAT'S NO REASON.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE FRONTIER CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS, HAS SEEN A DECLINE IN ENROLLMENT OVER THE PAST DECADE.
IT'S A MIXTURE OF ONE, TWO, AND THREES.
THE TOWN HOMES THAT ARE ON THE END WOULD BE THREE BEDROOMS. YEAH.
SO THEN COULD WE ASK THAT THEY BE THIS BE PUT ON YOUR NEXT REGULAR AGENDA FOR POSSIBLE DECISION? SEEMS APPROPRIATE TO ME.
I DO WANNA KNOW WHAT WE HANDED OUT AS WE GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AND THERE'S ONE FOR COUNCILMAN SPEAK.
UM, A LETTER FROM THE LABORATORIES AND THEN CHRIS WOOD, OUR ENGINEER PREPARED A STORMWATER SUMMARY LETTER.
SO YOU HAVE ALL THREE OF THOSE.
HE HAD A DEPOSITION IN SYRACUSE OR SOMETHING.
SO HE GOES, I THINK I'M MAKE IT THAT'S OKAY.
JUST MAKE SURE HE GETS THE BACK.
YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO OR YOU WANNA INTO THE NEXT FILM? OH YES, I'M SORRY.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS TOO ON THE AGENDA.
GOOD, GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT ATO DEVELOPMENT, LLC.
DAVE'S HANDING YOU A COPY OF THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, UH, WHICH WE'RE GIVING THIS EVENING.
AND I DO WANNA KNOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DECISION ON THIS PARTICULAR PUD AMENDMENT DURING THE MEETING THIS EVENING.
SO YOU'LL RECALL, 'CAUSE THIS PROJECT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 17TH.
IT WASN'T VERY LONG AGO, BUT YOU DID ASK FOR SOME FOLLOW UP INFORMATION.
BUT JUST TO RE-ACCLIMATE EVERYONE SITE IS ABOUT 3.87 ACRES IN SIZE.
IT'S HAD THAT ZONING FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS.
FOUR WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS TWO FOUR STORY MIXED USE BUILDINGS COMPRISED OF 13,295 SQUARE.
WE BIRTH FLOOR COMMERCIAL AND THIRTY FOUR THIRTY UPPER FLOOR APARTMENTS.
GIVEN OUR FAMILIARITY WITH DOT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW CURB CUTS ONTO, UH, SOUTHWESTERN.
AND THEN WHAT YOU'LL ALSO SEE IS WE HAVE GATED EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY ON THROUGH ROGERS ROAD.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT FIRETRUCK HAVE ACCESS, WE DID MAKE AN UPDATED PROJECT SUBMISSION ON JULY 1ST, WHICH WE HOPE ANSWERED.
THE QUESTIONS CAME UP DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 17TH.
I ALSO WANT TO NOTE THIS PROJECT WILL REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO IF YOU APPROVE THE PUD AMENDMENT, MOVE BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
PLANNING BOARD HAS TAKEN A PRETTY CLOSE LOOK AT THIS PROJECT OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL WEEKS.
SO THIS IS THE PUD PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE PLAN FROM, YOU KNOW, TWO TO THREE DECADES AGO.
AND THIS IS WHY WE NEEDED A PUD AMENDMENT IS WHAT YOU DETERMINED DURING YOUR MEETING ON MARCH 11TH.
AT THAT TIME WHAT WAS SHOWN WAS A RELATIVELY LARGE MIXED USE BUILDING, A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A GAS STATION AND THEN A SPECIALTY RETAIL BUILDING OF ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH MOST LIKELY WOULD'VE BEEN A RESTAURANT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WAS, THAT'S THE APPROVED PD PLAN.
OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME AND A DIFFERENT ERA.
THAT PLAN DID NOT PROVIDE A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THE ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY.
WE HAVE PROVIDED A LANDSCAPE PLAN AS PART OF OUR SUBMISSION.
UH, DAVE'S GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S VERY SUBSTANTIAL GREEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING ON THIS SITE.
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YOU CAN SEE THAT EFFORT BY PROVIDING 83 TREES, 12 DIFFERENT TYPES, 83 DECIDUOUS TREES, 12 DIFFERENT TYPES, 26 EVERGREEN TREES, TWO TYPES, 64 SHRUBS, AND 26 PRINTERS.SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA GREEN UP THIS CORNER IN CONNECTION WITH THIS MIXED USE PROJECT.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT REALLY IS KIND OF THE FIRST STEP IN HAMBURG HAVING A MIXED USE PROJECT OF, OF THIS LAYOUT.
WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER MOVIES THROUGHOUT WEST NORTH AND WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT WE'LL BE SUCCESSFUL AS HERE AS WELL.
WE'VE ALSO SUBMITTED A LIGHTING PLAN.
ONLY IMPORTANCE OF THIS IS THERE WILL BE NO LIGHTING SPILLOVER AND THE LIGHTING TO BE INSTALLED ON SITE WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AS REQUIRED BY THE ZONING CODE.
HERE'S THE COLOR ELEVATION THAT WAS PREPARED BY DAVE SU HIS TEAM AT SUTTON ARCHITECTURE.
WE CAN SEE A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY ON THE FIRST FLOOR, ACTIVATING A PATIO SPACE ON THE EDGE AND THEN INCORPORATING HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL ARTICULATION ON THE UPPER FLOORS IN DIVERSITY OF MATERIALS.
THIS IS SIMILAR TO A BUILDING THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED OR ACTUALLY JUST, IT JUST GOT FINALIZED 58 77 MAIN STREET IN THE VILLAGE OF WILLIAMSVILLE, WHICH WAS THE FORMER MILO SITE.
IF ANY OF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN MAIN STREET, YOU'LL TAKE A LOOK.
AND THIS BUILDING IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT IT'S DESIGNED BY DAVE AND HIS TEAM TO MIMIC THAT BUILDING.
I THINK IT'LL WORK VERY NICELY ON THIS SITE.
PD AMENDMENT PROCESS, SPECIFY THE CODE AND BASICALLY, AS YOU'VE ALREADY DETERMINED, SINCE WE ARE CHANGING THE LAYOUT FROM THE PLAN, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A MIXED USE BUILDING, A CONVENIENCE STORE, A GAS STATION, AND A RESTAURANT.
WE HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A PD AMENDMENT.
THE PUD ZONING STAYS IN PLACE, BUT IT'S AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE PUD IS BASED ON THE LAYOUT OF THE PROJECT.
THE PLANNING BOARD, AFTER LOOKING AT THIS EXTENSIVELY DURING ITS MEETING ON MAY 1ST, DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UM, THEY MENTIONED THE FACT THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT FOCAL AREA, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PER THE 2022 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CORRIDOR AND THAT OUR LA LAYOUT, WHICH INCORPORATES, UM, DIVERSE ARCHITECTURE, GREEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING MAKES SENSE FROM A PLANE PERSPECTIVE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
THEY ALSO MENTIONED THE FACT THAT IT'S GOOD IN THAT IT PROVIDES A DIVERSE ARRAY OF HOUSING, UM, THAT WE'RE INCORPORATED AS INDICATED GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE.
AND FINALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME MIXED USE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING RETAIL SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS ALSO A GOOD IDEA.
SEEKER, WE PROVIDED EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION.
ULTIMATELY YOU'LL NEED TO ISSUE A SECRET DETERMINATION.
ALL THAT'S ALREADY IN FRONT OF YOU.
MOST IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT CAME UP IN TERMS OF SEEKER DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING HELD BY THE TOWN BOARD WAS TRAFFIC.
SO WE HAVE PROVIDED EACH OF YOU WITH A COPY OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY PER THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE DURING THAT MEETING.
AND BASICALLY WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS PER THE DETAILED ANALYSIS PREPARED BY BRACE ASSOCIATES IS THAT IT WILL RESULT IN ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE.
UH, THERE ARE BENEFITS FROM MIXED USE.
THE REASON THERE'S BENEFITS IS BECAUSE THE PEAK TRAVEL TIMES, UM, GENERALLY DO NOT COINCIDE.
MEANING WHEN PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THE APARTMENTS IN THE MORNING TRAVEL TO WORK, RETAILS NOT GENERATING A LOT OF TRAFFIC WHEN THE RETAIL'S ON ITS BUSIEST ON A SATURDAY OR IN THE EVENING WHEN THE RESTAURANTS ARE OPEN.
GENERALLY PEOPLE EITHER HAVE ARRIVED HOME SO THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC.
SO THERE'S BENEFITS TO MIXED USE VERSUS STANDALONE COMMERCIAL OR STANDALONE MULTI-FAMILY.
AND AGAIN, MOST IMPORTANTLY IN RECOGNITION OF DOT'S POLICY.
WHILE WE DON'T AGREE WITH IT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW CURB CUTS UNDER THE STATE HIGHWAY.
WE ALSO DID PROVIDE A PARKING DEMAND ASSESSMENT ALSO PREPARED BY PACE ASSOCIATES THAT DEMONSTRATED THAT THE PROJECT PROVIDING 174 PARKING SPACES WILL ABSOLUTELY MEET THE PEAK DEMAND, WHICH WOULD BE LITERALLY LIMITED TO A BUSY WEEKDAY OR WEEKEND IN DECEMBER DURING PEAK SHOPPING SEASON OF 166 BASIS.
UH, THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL.
KOY SHOWED ANALYSIS THIS CAME UP.
COUNCIL MEMBER COMERFORD, YOU ASKED ABOUT THIS QUESTION.
UH, MR. BURKE WENT BACK AND LOOKED THROUGH HIS WHOLE PORTFOLIO AND OUT OF HIS 1,145 TOTAL UNITS, THERE'S 154 FLOYD CHILDREN.
SO THAT REPRESENTS 13% OF THE OCCUPANTS.
SO AGAIN, SHOULD NOT GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL DEMAND FOR FLOYD'S CHILDREN, BUT WILL GENERATE SCHOOL TAXES AND OF COURSE WE'LL GENERATE SOME DEMAND FOR EDUCATIONAL SERVICES.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S BASED ON A SURVEY OF THEIR NUMEROUS NEARBY MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS.
WE DID AFTER THE MEETING, GET A COPY OF THE LETTER THAT WAS REFERENCED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM THE LAKE SHORE FIRE COMPANY DATED MARCH 20TH, SPECIFICALLY FIRE CHIEF WILSON.
I BELIEVE DAVE HAD SPOKEN TO HIM SINCE THEN.
I'LL LET YOU SUMMARIZE THAT CONVERSATION.
I REACHED OUT TO, UH, TO CHIEF WILSON.
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I REACHED OUT TO CHIEF WILSON AND SPOKE TO ABOUT THIS LETTER.HE INDICATED THIS IS MORE A FORM LETTER AND HE SAID IT WAS MORE GEARED TO, UH, ALL THE RESPONSES THAT THEY GET AND APARTMENTS AND ESPECIALLY SENIOR HOUSINGS GOT A LOT MORE RESPONSES.
AND THE RESPONSES HE'S REALLY REFERRING TO, UH, GENERALLY ARE, UM, ELDERLY FELL DOWN, THAT KIND OF TYPE STUFF.
AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE, UH, COMPOSITION OF THE PROJECT, THE HEIGHT OF THE PROJECT, AND HE SAID THERE WAS NO REAL CONCERN THAT IT WAS JUST THE EMERGENCY RESPONSES.
UH, HE'S OVERWHELMED AND HIS STAFF IS OVERWHELMED WITH THE RESPONSES.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WASN'T ADHERED TO, UH, THIS ANY, UH, PROJECTING SPECIFICALLY.
SO WE DO AGAIN, UH, DAVE DID MAKE THE EFFORT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT LETTER TRUCK TURNING PLAN.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP.
THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED PER THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT'S KNOWN AS APPENDIX D OF THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE.
MEANING IT CAN ACCOMMODATE A FIRETRUCK ACCESSING THE SITE, TRAVELING ACROSS SCREEN, TRAVELING ACROSS ALONG THE LONG SIDES OF THE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS AND THEN GOING BACK OUT UNDER SOUTHWESTERN.
SO OUR ENGINEER DID PREPARE THAT PLAN TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE, THE EMERGENCY ACCESS STANDARDS SEEKER WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
UH, WE'VE SUBMITTED EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION.
ULTIMATELY THINK IT WILL BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ONCE YOU ISSUE A DECISION.
AND THEN FINALLY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER, NOT THIS EVENING, BUT AT A FUTURE MEETING, IS ISSUING A SECRET DETERMINATION AND APPROVING THE PD AMENDMENT.
WE HOPE WE'VE MADE THE EFFORT YOU ASKED US TO IN TERMS OF FOLLOWING UP ON YOUR COMMENTS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN OF COURSE, EITHER MR. MR. BURKE OR MYSELF WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE.
IT WAS A SMALL ERROR IN, UH, WHAT WAS ON THE THING ABOUT THE EMERGENCY EGRESS TO ROGERS ROAD.
WE HAVE EASEMENTS RUNNING THROUGH THE COUNTRY FOR THE ROGERS ROAD.
SO THAT THAT MEANS THE EGRESS IS OPEN 24 7 WHO WILL MAINTAIN, UM, THAT INTERNAL ROAD.
THAT'S THE MAJOR WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT.
THE, UH, THE MAIN ROAD WILL BE MAINTAINED BY EAGLE RIDGE, SOUTHWESTERN MIXED USE AND A SMALL PORTION OF JUNIPER HOUSING, WHICH IS PEOPLE PEOPLE'S INC.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 850 FOOT ROAD CO.
THE CLOVER BANK COUNTRY CLUBS GOT ABOUT 600 FEET OF ROAD.
WE HAVE BEEN, WE'VE HAD EASEMENTS BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES FOR 35 SOME YEARS THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
AND, BUT I KNOW LIKE THE CONDITION OF THAT PARKING LOT THERE, WHICH IS SOME OF THE ACCESS TO THE ROAD, THE, WELL, THE PARKING LOT IS SEPARATE FROM THE ROAD AND YOU ARE CORRECT.
THE ROAD'S DEPLORABLE AND THE ROAD, THE, I'LL CALL IT THE EAGLE RIDGE ROAD, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM, WILL BE DONE BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST.
IT, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO DO IT NOW INSTRUCTION ACTIVITY.
AND THEN HERE ON OUT, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF MAINTAINING, PLOWING ALL THAT FOR THE, THAT THOSE ROADS THAT, THAT WILL BE SHARED.
JUST AS I SAID, MAINTAINED ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT I, I THOUGHT I ANSWERED BEFORE.
SO THAT'LL BE THE INSTALLATION OF THE ROAD IS I NEED THE BRIDGE.
SO THAT'LL ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF ON THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION? WELL THE PROPERTY.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE A DRAFT AGREEMENT OUT THERE ON THAT TIME.
THERE'S A DRAFT AGREEMENT OUT THERE.
'CAUSE PEOPLE AIMS PARTY TO IT TOO.
UM, THE STORM DRAINAGE AND SEWER DRAINAGE, THERE'S ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT.
THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED A PUMPING STATION OR ANYTHING.
THE, THE ENTIRE STORM DRAINAGE, THE ENTIRE PROJECT'S BEEN DESIGNED TWO STORM, UH, TENSION PONDS, UH, WHICH WERE INSTALLED BY EAGLE RIDGE.
THEY'RE BIG ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE SELF MIXED USE.
THE ONE ON SOUTHWESTERN AND THE ONE ON ROGERS, UH, JUNIPER OR PEOPLE'S INC.
IS GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN SHARING BACK, WHICH ARMINO WOODS DESIGNED THOSE TO HANDLE ALL THAT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE CONFIRMED THERE IS ADEQUATE DOWNSTREAM SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY DURING WET WEATHER CONDITIONS.
AND KEEP IN MIND WE STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INI MITIGATION MEANING FOR EVERY GALLON WE PUT IN, WE HAVE TO TAKE FOUR GALLONS OUTTA THE SYSTEM.
SO WHILE IT SOUNDS STRANGE, IT ACTUALLY IMPROVE.
SO THE WASTE OF WATER, IS IT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE TWO PROJECTS THAT HAVE GONE IN? LIKE WHEN
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WERE THESE STUDIES DONE BECAUSE THE PROJECTS ARE BEING COMPLETED SO QUICKLY AND MY CONCERN IS THESE STUDIES ARE BEING DONE IN ISOLATION WITHOUT REGARD FOR ONE ANOTHER.SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS EVERY TIME ONE THE NEXT PROJECT COMES ONLINE, IT HAS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE IMPACTS OF THE PREVIOUS PROJECT.
BUT THESE PROJECTS AREN'T ONLINE, LIKE PEOPLE INC.
HAS STARTED TAKING RESIDENCE YET.
NO, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, OUR DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY ALL TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION PEOPLE INC.
AND EAGLE ONCE IN THE MOVIE EAGLE RIDGE.
AND WHEN THESE PROJECTS WERE EXCEPTION, EAGLE RIDGE GOT STARTED FIRST.
BUT PEOPLE'S INN CAME IN AND I GOT A CONTRACT IN THE LAND.
AND THEN WHAT WE DID IS WE KNEW WHAT THE OTHER PARCEL WOULD BE.
SO WE DECIDED INSTEAD OF HAVING IT TO BE DETERMINED, WE DESIGNED IT NOW.
AND WE HAD THE SAME ENGINEER, CARINO WOODS DESIGN THE SYSTEMS TO HANDLE ALL THREE PROJECTS.
AND NOT COINCIDENTALLY, BUT THEY ARE THE ENGINEER ON ALL THREE PROJECTS.
AND EAGLE RIDGE GOT THE APPROVAL APPROVALS FOR SEWER, UM, FOR WATER AND FOR THE DOT.
SO THAT'S FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF.
BUT WHAT ABOUT ON ROGERS ROAD? ROGERS ROAD HAS ALWAYS EXPERIENCED DIFFICULTIES WHEN YOU GO FURTHER, FURTHER DOWN TOWARDS, TOWARDS THE LAKE.
SO THAT'S GREAT THAT YOU'VE TAKEN CARE OF IT IN YOUR PROPERTY.
BUT AS FAR AS MITIGATION WITHIN, YOU KNOW, AN AREA OF HOW IT'S IMPACTED, TALKING ABOUT SANITARY, BOTH, BUT PRIMARILY SANITARY, THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BY ERIE COUNTY SEWER AUTHORITY.
AND THEY HAD JUST DO I AND I AND WE CAN PROVIDE THE, UH, APPROVALS FOR THEM.
WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE SIDEWALKS OR, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE THERE ON ROUTE 20, BUT YET YOU'RE NOT HAVING ANY CONNECTIVITY TO 20, YOU'RE GOING OUT ON ROGERS ROAD.
CORRECT? THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON 20 RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON 20, BUT YOU'RE NOT MAKING A CONNECTION WITH 20, YOU'RE GOING OUT ON ROGERS ROAD, UH, MITCHELL'S PROJECT.
YOU CAN GO WITH EITHER, EITHER WAY.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VEHICLE, VEHICLE TRAFFIC, THE RESIDENTIAL, YOU GO OUT, YOU WALK.
BUT WHEN THEY GET TO ROGER'S OR TO AMSEL, THERE'S NO, I THINK SHE'S ASKING ARE YOU GONNA PUT SIDEWALKS DOWN ON ROGER'S ROADSIDE? IS THAT OR WITH EAGLE RIDGE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UM, ON AMSL, EAGLE RIDGE DOES NOT GO TO AM.
NO, BUT AS FAR AS ANY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
EAGLE RIDGE, THAT WHOLE AREA, UH, THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT WAS JUST INSTALLED THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE SIDEWALK FOR PEDESTRIAN.
IN WHICH AREA? IN EAGLE RIDGE.
WILL YOU DO THE SAME IN THE OTHER IN THIS? WE WE CAN, WE, THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM, BUT THE SIDEWALKS ARE ALREADY ON SLIDE.
ARE WE SHOWING SIDEWALKS ON ROGERS STUDIO? I I DON'T KNOW.
IN, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE SIDEWALK SIDEWALKS.
SO YOU MIGHT BE TAKING THE SIDEWALK.
WELL YOU FOR NOW, BUT FOR FOR NOW.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING YOU'D LIKE US TO AT LEAST CONSIDER SIDEWALKS ON A LITTLE PIECE OF ROGERS? RIGHT.
SOMETHING FOR MORE CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE THAT'S EVEN THE COMMUNITY, THE THE, THEY'VE EXPRESSED THAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO END UP GOING THROUGH THOSE COMMUNITIES TO TRY TO GET TO A SAFER YEAH.
O OVER AN EAGLE RIDGE OVER NEAR THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
MATTER OF FACT, WE PROPOSED TO HAVE A, AN EGRESS A VEHICLE VEHICLE EGRESS FROM THERE, WHICH WE WERE NOT ALLOWED, BUT WE DID PUT A SIDEWALK THAT'LL TAKE YOU TO THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEN LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ROGERS ROAD FRONTAGE AND SEE IF WE COULD SOMETHING TO ACTIVATE THAT FOR THE PEDESTRIAN, EITHER SIDEWALK OR ONSITE TRAIL.
AND YOU HAVE THE, THE GREEN SPACE HAS ALL BEEN ALLOTTED FOR, I KNOW WITH THE, OVERALL WITH THE PUD AND I KNOW THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS OUT THERE AS FAR AS THE TOTAL, UH, GREEN SPACE, ET CETERA.
AND I KNOW IN THE PREVIOUS PROJECT YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING THERE SO THAT THAT WAS DEDICATED SO THAT IT WAS RIGHT.
UM, WILL YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THIS PROJECT? YEAH.
AND AGAIN, BY DEDICATED I THINK YOU MEAN PROTECT THE COUNTER PROTECTED.
SO THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, IT WAS DONE ON JUST FEBRUARY 8TH? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND JUST FROM SEVEN TO NINE AND FOUR TO SIX YEP.
IT'S A FORMER NFTA BUS OPERATOR TRAFFIC.
IS MORNING GOING TO WORK AND COMING HOME FROM WORK.
AND THAT'S WHAT DOT MAKES YOU DO? THE STUDIES.
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TRAFFIC INPUT THOUGH FOR THE WEEKENDS.'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT ACROSS FROM A MAJOR RETAIL CENTER.
NO, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN MORE RETAIL, THE PEAK ON THE ROADS IS JUST WAY LESS ON WEEKENDS.
I'VE SEEN OTHER REPORTS FROM YOU THAT HAVE DONE MULTIPLE DAY ANALYSIS.
THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHY THIS WAS JUST ONE DAY.
I DON'T THINK, I KNOW THERE WAS A PROJECT OVER BY THE STADIUM WHERE WE DID A MULTI-DAY ANALYSIS AND LOOKED AT WEEKEND TRAFFIC TOO.
AND IF WE'RE TALKING RETAIL SPACE, UM, CAN WE ALSO GET INFORMATION FROM YOU, MR. BURKE, ABOUT THE DENSITY, THE INITIAL PROJECTED DENSITY OF THE POD WHEN IT WAS CREATED AT ITS INCEPTION AND ITS CURRENT DENSITY? 'CAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS PARCEL, THE CURRENT, THE INITIAL SIZE WAS GONNA BE ABOUT 3,900 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S GONNA HAVE A MUCH MORE, A MUCH LARGER IMPACT OF DENSITY, OF RESONANCE OF USE AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
UH, AND WE'VE, WE'VE DONE MULTIPLE, UM, CHANGES TO THE POD THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
WE HAVEN'T STAYED TRUE TO THE POD, BUT A LOT OF WHAT WE AGREED TO INITIALLY IN THE POD WAS THE WHOLE PLAN.
AND AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, IT KEEPS, THE PLAN KEEPS CHANGING AND THERE ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AT EACH POINT.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WE'RE NOT VEERING SO FAR AWAY FROM WHAT THE TRUE INTENTION IN THE POD WAS THAT WE'RE IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PLACE.
AND THE, THIS CORNER ANYWAY, THAT'S THE INITIAL ATTENTION OF THE POND.
AND THAT BUILDING CERTAINLY WAS WAY BIGGER THAN 3,900 SQUARE FEET.
I MEAN IT WAS PROB IT'S ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN EITHER OF OUR MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ALL WE HAVE FOR PLANS.
I MEAN, IT'S TOUGH TO, AND IT'S HARD NOT TO KEEP ON CHANGING THE PLANS WHEN YOU HAVE A PLANNING DEVELOPMENT, THE MAGNITUDE OF 400 SOME ACRES.
AND THIS PARCEL, THE, THE MENTIONS OF THIS PARCEL CHANGED BECAUSE IT, IT HAD TO BECAUSE OF THE OTHER, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT CAME IN.
SO THEN THAT'S WHY WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE SAID LET'S GET THIS NOW.
'CAUSE IF IT'S TO BE DETERMINED, IT'S, IT CAN'T BE DESIGNED AND IT CAN'T BE INCORPORATED WITH ALL THE THINGS WE SPOKE ABOUT ALREADY.
STORM, UH, SANITARY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO IT JUST MADE ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD TO DO THAT.
AND WE FEEL THAT IS IN KEEPING OF WHAT WE ADDED 30 YEARS OR 30 OR 40 YEARS OR 40 YEARS.
AND THAT PLAN WAS FOR FOUR STORIES.
AND I DOUBT IT WAS FOUR STORIES.
I DOUBT IT WAS PROBABLY THREE.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S ALL ALONG THIS A QUESTION THAT WE'VE HAD.
WHY NOT STICK TO THREE STORIES? WELL, YOUR TYPICAL SUCCESSFUL MIXED USE BUILDING IS FOUR STORIES.
TYPICALLY THEY CAN ALSO BE THREE.
BUT YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE SITE, GIVEN THAT WE KNOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, EVERYTHING ELSE, I'M THINKING MORE OF HOW IT FITS INTO WHAT ELSE IS GOING THERE.
YOU KNOW, WITH THE EAGLE RIDGE, ET CETERA, EAGLE RIDGE HAS GOT THREE STORE BUILDINGS WITH, WITH SLOPED ROOFS.
SO THESE BUILDINGS AREN'T ANY POWER.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT MIXED USE BUILDINGS GENERALLY HAVE A FLAT ROOF.
SO IT ACTUALLY ISN'T ANY TALLER IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
AND THIS, THIS UPPER FLOORS WILL GIVE YOU IN MIGHT OPINION IN A SHOT OF THE LAKE, A VIEW OF THE LAKE I SHOULD SAY THAT YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? I'M SORRY, I WAS WONDERING IF ROGER HAD ANYTHING TO SAY FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR WAS ROGER, MR. ROGERS, MR. ROGERS, JOSH, MR. ROGERS.
UM, NOTHING MORE THAN REALLY WHAT SEAN SAID.
TO KIND OF ANSWER MIKE'S POINT ABOUT, UH, ORIGINALLY IN THE ORIGINAL PLUG, KIND OF SEAN SAID THERE WASN'T A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A PLAN FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE 3,200 SQUARE FEET.
SPECIALTY RETAIL BUILDING WAS ABOUT TO BE 3,900 SQUARE FEET.
BUT THE MIXED USE BUILDING DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY TERMS OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY WHAT WITHIN THIS AREA.
BUT YOU CAN TELL KNOWING THAT THAT RETAIL BUILDING, WHICH IS HERE RIGHT, WAS 3,900 SQUARE FEET THAT BUILDING'S GOT
MY CONCERN GOING FORWARD IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD POD AND YOU OVERLAY WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THE DENSITY IS FAR MORE SIGNIFICANT IN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS PROBABLY THE DENSITY IS MORE SIGNIFICANT.
I VENTURE TO GUESS THAT MAY BE MORE SIGNIFICANT.
WE HAVE CHANGED THE POD MULTIPLE TIMES GOING THROUGH IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND I HAVE NOT STAYED TRUE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE POD.
SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE COMPLETELY NEGLECTING THE CHARACTER OF THE POD AND THE PURPOSE OF IT AS WE VENTURE INTO THIS FINAL STOP IN AN ATTEMPT TO JUST GET IT DONE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING TRUE TO THE POD, GOING THROUGH WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO CHECK WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU COMFORTABLE.
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THAT'S WHY I NEED TO LOOK AT THE INFORMATION.I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE INITIAL PLAN OF THAT POD WAS AND WHERE DO WE STAND BECAUSE MAYBE MY HUNCH IS WRONG, BUT EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT'S COME BEFORE US SINCE I'VE SAT IN THIS SEAT, HAS BEEN ASKING FOR PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THAT POD.
TO THE POINT WHERE IT MAKES ME VERY WARY GOING FORWARD OF ENTERTAINING A POD THAT WOULD LAST MORE THAN 18 MONTHS.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT THE GENERAL TREND, IF YOU COMPARE AGAIN GOING BACK ALMOST 40 YEARS, IS YOU'RE SEEING, UM, A TRANSITION FROM WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE COMMERCIAL BACK THEN TO MORE RESIDENTIAL.
I KNOW, BUT WE'RE ALSO APPLAUDING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPE.
RIGHT? BUT IT'S A PART OF THE POD, RIGHT.
SO WE CAN'T APPLAUD AND BE CELEBRATING THESE GREAT ADDITIONAL THINGS WHEN IT'S THE BARE MINIMUM REQUIRED BY THAT POD.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
I APPRECIATE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE HAPPENING, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO AND WE'RE MAKING SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WATCHING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN AND NOT RUSHING TO JUST GET IT DONE.
REMEMBER THE PUT THOUGH SPEAKS ABOUT GREEN SPACE, NOT ABOUT THE ACTUAL LANDSCAPING.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE GOING WELL BEYOND NORMAL STANDARDS, NOT JUST FOR THE GREEN SPACE, BUT WHAT ACTUALLY WE'RE PLANNING ON SITE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, I KNOW PAIRING GRASS, THAT GREEN SPACE HAS BEEN A POINT OF CONTENTION FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S LOOKED AT THAT PUT SO FAR.
OH, EVERYONE'S GONNA TRAVEL AROUND THAT AREA.
BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE IS NO SIGNAL WHEN YOU COME OUT ON 20.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS, RIGHTLY SO, I I KNOW IT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, EVEN WITH JUST THE LITTLE BIT THAT'S HAPPENED THERE, YOU KNOW, UM, INDIVIDUALS GO THROUGH PINE GROVE.
UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD THAT FOR YEARS.
UH, AND SO EVEN VEHICLES, UM, TRUCKS, THERE'S GONNA BE TRUCKS THROUGH THERE.
AND I'M STILL TRYING TO ENVISION HOW THAT ON THAT INTERNAL ROAD AND WITH NO SIGNAL THERE AND WITH THE WAVE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CURVE CUTS, ET CETERA ON ROGERS AND AMSTEL STILL JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE FLOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE VOLUME, WHAT THE, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THAT EXISTING ROAD THAT'S THERE.
I'VE DONE ON THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES AND IT'S, UM, SO IT LEAVES A LOT OF QUESTIONS STILL.
MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A MAP CREATED OF, OR LIKE A FOOTPRINT CREATED OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS GONNA BE LIKE THROUGH THOSE THREE PROPERTIES.
BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE INC PROJECT, I REMEMBER BRINGING UP THE QUESTION ABOUT BUSING AND THAT THE STUDENTS WERE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE MAIN BUILDING.
THE BUSES WEREN'T GONNA PICK THEM UP IN FRONT OF THEIR INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T TRAVEL THROUGH THE PARKING AREA, THROUGH THE ROADWAYS OF PEOPLE INC.
SO IF THAT'S GONNA BE A QUAGMIRE OF SORTS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING IT THROUGH, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE PUTTING AN EXTRA COMPONENT OF MORE RESIDENTIAL IN THERE THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED.
WE HAVE DESIGNED A SITE, SO IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WANTS TO COME ON SITE, THEY CAN, THEY WILL.
THAT'S A CONVERSATION YOU NEED TO HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS' BUSING DEPARTMENT AS TO HOW THEY DO IT.
BUT I BELIEVE THEY PICK UP EVERY CHILD AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST IS TO GO BACK TO THE OVERALL PLAN, THE ORIGINAL PLANNING COMPARED TO WE'RE TODAY.
IT'S A, IT'S A CHALLENGING ONLY BECAUSE THAT ORIGINAL PLAN DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL.
AND I THINK JOSH CAN CONFIRM THAT IT'S NOT AN EASY EXERCISE.
WE'VE ALL BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
IT HAS BEEN A LEARNING PROCESS AND WE HAVE DEFINITELY TAKEN AWAY SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT LESSONS FROM THAT PROCESS.
WELL, ONE THING I, I CAN'T, I THINK EVERYONE AGREE IN TERMS OF HOW THESE PD AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN MUCH, WELL, MUCH BETTER DOCUMENTED.
MAYBE SOMEONE WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK AT THESE AND SEE HOW DECISIONS WERE
HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION, LIKE THE LAST DEVELOPER HAD SIGNIFICANT CONVERSATION WITH THE RESIDENTS.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY OUTREACH FROM DATA DEVELOPMENT WITH THE RESIDENTS IN AN OFFER TO HAVE CONVERSATION AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR? 'CAUSE THEY WERE VERY VOCAL AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING OF THEIR CONCERNS.
WE'RE FOCUSED ON GETTING YOU THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU ASKED FOR.
WE SUSPENDED THAT I BELIEVE ON JULY 1ST.
BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE BEEN AT THE PLANNING BOARD WHEN YOU GUYS HAD BEEN THERE TOO, SO YEAH.
THERE WASN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE WAS BACK, BACK FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
NO, I KNOW THEY WERE, I WAS NOT HERE THE LAST TIME BOARD MEETING CHIEF GUYS KNOW, BUT RIGHT.
UM, THAT'S THE FIRST I HEARD OF ANYBODY REALLY SHOWING AN INTEREST PROBABLY 'CAUSE THEY GOT INVITATIONS, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN BEEN ON THE DOCKET FOR, FOR A WHILE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CONVERSATION AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE THAT I GAVE MY NUMBER TO THAT NIGHT THAT I FOLLOWED UP.
I DID ASK BOTH OF THEM TO EMAIL ME QUESTIONS TODAY I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY.
AND ONCE YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PREVIOUS INFORMATION, UM, ON THE PREVIOUS SIDE, YOU KNOW, JUST IF YOU GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO, IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO, UM, RETHINK THE DENSITY HERE? YOU DON'T WANT YOU TO IN, IN RELATIONSHIP TO THAT INFORMATION OR COMPARE THE DENSITY WHAT TO WHAT.
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THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL WOMAN, UH, FER IS ASKING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AND, AND WOULD YOU BE STILL WILLING TO ENTERTAIN, UM, DECREASING THE DENSITY IN THIS PROJECT, EVEN IF THE OVERALL CHARACTER WERE THE SAME, BUT POSSIBLY DOING SOMETHING TO DECREASE THAT IN THE CAN I GET THAT? YES, PLEASE.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE REFUGE AND RECYCLING COMMITTEE.
UH, MAHONING ON SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, REFUGE AND RECYCLING, UH, TOWN HAMBURGER COMMITTEE.
UM, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THIS TIME HERE.
UM, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS AS MR. HOKE AND MR.
AND OUR LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED, UM, WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE, UM, WE HAVE SOME IDEAS OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO BEFORE.
UM, THOSE ARE HARD, HARD COPIES OF WHAT I'VE ALREADY SENT YOU IN EMAILS.
I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER, GIVE YOU THE HARD COPIES.
IT'S JUST WHAT I SENT YOU BEFORE.
UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW AT THIS, UM, JUNCTURE OF THE PROCESS IS, UM, MOVING FORWARD TO SEE IF WE WANNA DO SOMETHING IN OUR, IN THE DISCUSSIONS NOW, AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS IS WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A TAX INCREASE OR WHATEVER AMOUNT OR, UM, REUSE OR REUSE OR USER FEE, UM, BROUGHT ON, UM, TO THE, THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES.
NOW I'VE GIVEN EXAMPLES OF CERTAIN THINGS.
I ACTUALLY PAID A CONTRACT FOR OUR NEIGHBORING EVANS, WHO VERY GRACIOUS MR. AUSTIN WAS HAPPY TO GIVE SHARE WITH US.
SO, UH, WHAT I DIDN'T DO, I BROUGHT, UM, GARY, UM, FROM AIR COUNTY ENVIRONMENTAL AND PLANNING, WHO HAS MORE EXPERTISE THAN YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD BELIEVE THAT HE HELPED ME WITH UNDERSTAND HOW THE USER FEE VERSUS THE TAX FEE WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED IF WE, UM, GO INTO AN RRSB THAT YOU WOULD SUBMIT TO THE PROVIDERS AT THAT, THAT JUDGE WOULD COME IN.
I ALSO TALKED TO NICOLE, UH, THOMPSON FROM THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.
COULDN'T BE HERE, BUT SHE'S WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS LEGAL OR ANYBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE REGARDING THESE ISSUES.
SO, UH, GARY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE, EXPLAIN THE USE? SURE.
UH, WHEN, UH, BOB AND I SPOKE GARY CARRO, UH, GARY COUNTY DEPARTMENT ENVIRONMENT PLANNING, UH, WE SUPPORT THE NORTHEAST SOUTH TOWN, SO WASTE MANAGEMENT BOARD, UH, WHICH THE TOWN IS A MEMBER OF.
UH, AND SO THERE'S DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS, UH, OCCUR THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE MEETINGS.
THEY MEET ABOUT FOUR TIMES A YEAR.
AND JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED ABOUT THIS, UH, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU, UH, DECIDE TO, UH, CON EITHER CONTRACT OUT OR USE, UH, THE HIGHWAY COMPARTMENT COLLECT, UH, GARBAGE AND RECYCLING, THAT'S GOING TO ADD COST TO YOUR TAXES.
AND I JUST MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE, THE CITY OF BUFFALO HAS A USER BASIC TWO REASONS FOR DOING IT.
ONE IS THAT IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE TAXES, THIS SEPARATE FEE, BUT ALSO THAT MONEY IS, IS HELD THERE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S WITHIN A QUOTE UNQUOTE USER FEE ACCOUNT SPECIFICALLY FOR GARBAGE RECYCLING.
SO THERE'S NO ABILITY TO PULL IT TO BE USED ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO, AND IT'S COLLECTED SEPARATELY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BILLED SEPARATELY.
UH, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO ADDITIONAL RESEARCH INTO THIS.
UM, I DID REACH OUT TO THE CITY, UM, TO SEE IF WE COULD GET SOME INFORMATION, BUT REALLY, UM, NO ONE THERE NOW WAS REALLY PART OF CREATING THE USER FEE.
SO THEY, THERE WAS NO ONE THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME THE ANSWERS I WAS LOOKING FOR THERE.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN A LOT OF RESOURCES THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
I'M MORE THAN TO LOOK INTO THAT.
SO THAT'S, AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, UM, BOB, UH, HAS SHARED THE, THE CURRENT, UH, CONTRACT OR IT, THE RFP, UH, FROM THE TOWN OF EVANS, THE BIDING, THE RFP AND THE CONTRACT.
SO THE REASON I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA, THEY'RE REALLY THE, ONE OF THE MOST RECENT MUNICIPALITIES TO GET A NEW CONTRACT.
UM, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, I MEAN, THE
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COST FOR A GARBAGE COLLECTION AND RECYCLING HAVE GONE UP QUITE A BIT.AND BECAUSE, UH, RECYCLING, UH, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A COMMODITY MARKET GOES UP AND DOWN.
AND, UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS CURRENT, THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT EVANS HAS, INCLUDES THAT.
SO THAT IF RECYCLING PRICES, UH, IF, IF YOU'RE GETTING GOOD, GOOD MONEY FOR CERTAIN COMMODITIES, THEN THE TOWN MAY GET MONEY.
IF THE IT'S, THE PRICES ARE DOWN, THEN THEY MAY HAVE TO PAY.
AND THAT REALLY SEEMS TO BE THE WAY MOST OF THESE COMPANIES ARE WORKING NOW BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY, THEY CAN'T GIVE A PRICE, NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO THAT'S SORT OF INCLUDED IN THE PLAN.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TIPPING FEES? WELL, THEY PAY THE WHERE THEY PAY, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT, IT'S MORE THE COMMODITY THING.
SO LET'S SAY THEY'RE PAYING, YOU KNOW, $20 A TON FOR A CARDBOARD, AND THEN NEXT MONTH IT'S $50 A TON.
SO, OH, WE'RE TALKING RECYCLING.
SO, SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE, WHERE THE, UH, UH, THERE'S AN ABILITY TO GO UP AND DOWN, WHEREAS GARBAGE IS PRETTY CONSISTENT.
I MEAN, THEY KNOW THEIR COSTS, THEY KNOW THE TIPPING FEE THAT MAY CHANGE IN A FEW YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE WITHIN THE YEAR, WHEREAS THE COMMODITY PRICES FOR RECYCLING DO THIS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO KNOW THAT IS
SO WHEN, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE SAY USER FEE OR A TAX, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE FLUCTUATING PRICES, HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT ASSESSING THE USER FEE? DO YOU ASSESS IT ON A WORST CASE SCENARIO OR DO YOU ASSESS IT ON A BEST CASE SCENARIO? AND THEN IF WE GUESS WRONG, WHERE DOES THE WELL THE EXTRA FUNDS COME FROM? GREAT QUESTION.
I MEAN, UH, AND THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD QUESTION FOR THE CITY OF BUFFALO, BECAUSE THEY MAINTAIN THEIR USER FEE FOR A GOOD NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN THE COST WENT UP AND DOWN.
IT ALSO IMPACTED HOW THEY WORKED ON THEIR CONTRACTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY FIGURED THAT IN THERE.
I MEAN, IF THAT, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK MORE WORST CASE SCENARIO, AT LEAST FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS, UH, IF YOU'VE GOT USE OF, RIGHT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO MUNICIPALITIES THAT ALREADY, TWO MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN THE TOWN, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD NOT BE RESIDENTS, SETS OF RESIDENTS THAT WOULD NOT WANNA BE PARTICIPATING IN THIS BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE GARBAGE THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR IN THEIR VILLAGE TAXES.
SO THEY WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AGAIN IN THEIR TOWN TAXES.
BUT IF WE, IF WE GUESS RON AND WE HAVE TO PULL MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE, ULTIMATELY, THEN THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT.
IF IT COMES OUTTA GENERAL FUND, I, I BELIEVE MR. HOAX SAID THERE'S A WAY OF SEPARATING THE TOWNS OUT OF THE VILLAGES OUT OF IT.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
AND TOWN GOVERNMENT, YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT, YOU HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT FUND OUR OVERALL BUDGET.
WE HAVE THE A FUND, WHICH IS THE TOWN WIDE FUND.
UM, AND THOSE TAXES COME FROM RESIDENTS OF THE ENTIRE TOWN, INCLUDING THE VILLAGES OF BLAZEDALE AND THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG.
UH, THE B FUND OR PART TOWN FUND IS THE PARTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE VILLAGES OF BLAZEDALE AND HAMBURG.
SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD TO ESTABLISH A REFUSE AND RECYCLING PROGRAM THAT EITHER, UH, HAD A CONTRACT WITH A PRIVATE PROVIDER OR TOOK ADVANTAGE OF MR. HUGHES'S, UH, UM, PLAN TO TAKE OVER GARBAGE COLLECTION HIMSELF, THAT WOULD BE IN THE B FUND AND WOULD BE A VERY SIMPLE ACCOUNTING MOTION, IT, IT WOULD VERY CLEAR WHO GETS PICKED UP, CORRECT.
BUT IT WOULD, WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO DRAW FROM, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THE B FUND, IF THERE WAS A SHORTFALL, LIKE IF WE UNDERESTIMATED THE FEES TO COLLECT AND WE NEEDED TO GO BACK AND PULL TO FINISH PAYING THE BILL.
LIKE WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE RECYCLING CAN EBB AND FLOW, SO IF WE UNDERESTIMATED, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO PULL FROM SOMETHING IN THE FUND.
IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT I DO THINK THAT, UH, GOING INTO RFP, YOU, YOU GET A SENSE OF WHAT, WHAT THOSE PRICES ARE.
I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA, THE COMPANIES ARE GONNA LET YOU KNOW WHY IT'S A RANGE AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA FALL IN THERE.
SO I DO, THERE'S A LOT OF DATA, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS.
THE OTHER THING I DO WANNA KNOW IS THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT COLLECT THE GARBAGE.
I THINK CONTRACTS OUT RECYCLING.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER WAY OF CONSIDERING THINGS.
BUT, UM, JUST, JUST TO CONSIDER, 'CAUSE OF COURSE, DIFFERENT TRUCKS AND ALL THAT FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF, AND ALL DEPENDS ON HOW THE RFP IS DRAFTED UP.
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UM, AND IF, AND IF YOU, IF IT, IT IS A SEPARATE, UH, USER FEE AND IF YOU CHARGE THE INDIVIDUALS QUARTERLY, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SHY THIS MONTH, WELL THEN NEXT MONTH YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, GET MAYBE A HIGHER BILL.WELL, THAT, YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE WAY THE CITY DOES IT.
THAT CERTAIN WELL, THEY DO THEIR OWN, THEY PICK UP THEIR OWN, RIGHT.
WELL, THEY PICK UP THE GARBAGE, BUT THEY CONTRACT CONTRACTS ARE RECYCLING.
BUT THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
IF YOU COULD BUILD THAT IN KATHY LEFT, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR THE CLERK'S OFFICE? BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING IF WE DID A SEPARATE BILL THAT GOES OUT, THAT'D BE A, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING.
WE'D HAVE TO MAIL, MAIL A SEPARATE BILL TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF RESIDENTS.
OR IF IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE TOWN COUNTY BILL, IT WOULD ALL BE IN THE ONE BILL.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT'S, IT'S MORE WORK.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY MUNICIPALITIES IN ALL OF ERIE COUNTY THAT WOULD HAVE FLUCTUATING PRICING DURING THE YEAR.
I MEAN, THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY, WE CAN CALL IT A TAX OR WE CAN CALL IT A USER FEE, BUT IT IS A TAX, MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE IS IT WOULD COUNT AGAINST THE TAX CAP.
AND IF WE INSTITUTE A USER FEE, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT, WHICH IS THE COMMON PRACTICE IN ERIE COUNTY, THEN WE WOULD ALSO LIKELY HAVE TO PASS A RESOLUTION TO GO OVER THE TAX CAP.
SO THE USER FEE IS INCLUDED IN THE TAX CAPTAIN.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS, I THOUGHT THERE WAS, IF YOU, IF YOU USED, UM, CREATED A GARBAGE FEE, IT WAS GOING INTO THE, IN THE THING.
BUT IF YOU DID A USER'S FEE, IT, IT'S NOT, AND I'LL, I, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO BE WRONG BEFORE, ASK MY WIFE.
IF WE HAVE A FEE THAT'S MANDATORY FOR OUR RESIDENTS, IT'S CONSIDERED A TAX.
IF WE WANNA MAKE IT OPTIONAL AND SEND OUT DIFFERENT BILLS, I MEAN, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE NEW DEPARTMENT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND THERE WOULD BE PROBABLY SEVERAL OTHER LEGAL ISSUES THAT WOULD'VE TO BE ADDRESSED.
HOW DOES EVANS DO IT? DO THEY DO IT AS A USER FEE OR AS A TEXT? IT'S A, IT IS A TEXT.
AND THEN YOU, IT'S A SMALL TAX.
THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT HAS THE USE OF FEE IS THE CITY BILL.
SO ORCHARD PARK ALSO DOES ORCHARD PARK.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ROLL IT INTO THE TAXES.
THEY PICK UP SINGLE, UH, TWO STORE, TWO FAMILY, THREE FAMILIES.
THEY DON'T PICK UP, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR BUSINESSES.
AND IT'S ROLLED RIGHT INTO THE TAXES.
THEY CHARGE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT'S PRIMARILY THE WAY THE MUNICIPALITIES WORK.
IT'S ONE, TWO, AND THREE, SOMETIMES FOUR FAMILY HOUSES.
THE, THE, THE COMPLEXES, CONDOS, APARTMENTS, THEY CONTRACT OUT.
SO, UM, WHAT THE, UH, REFUGE, I THINK OUR BIGGEST QUESTION IS, WELL, WHAT THE REFUGE COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO IS THEY, THEY WANT US TO DO, CREATE AN RFP VOTE ON AN RFP, SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT, IT'S NOT OBLIGATING US TO DO ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COST IS SO THEY CAN MAKE A BETTER DECISION.
UM, AND, AND BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE BOARD.
WELL, EXACTLY, BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE REMEDY OF IT, PEOPLE ARE PAYING DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND ONE OF THE GUYS IN OUR COMMITTEE IS THE CAR.
HE SAID, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS YET.
WE WON'T GET 'EM UNTIL WE GET THE NUMBERS FROM THE BOARD.
AND THEN WE GET THE NUMBERS FROM WHEN THE PROVIDERS.
SO ONCE WE GET THOSE NUMBERS AND BE ABLE TO WORK WITH, SO SAYS, IS IT GONNA BE AN ACTUAL TAX? WILL IT GO ABOVE THE TAX CAP? AGAIN, I'M NOT SCHOOLED THERE, BUT THE CHANGING OF THE BILLS, I, I PERSONALLY JUST BOUGHT MY OWN, BUT I JUST RECEIVED THE TEXT.
ONE PERSON JUST GOT THEIR WASTE BATH AND JUST WASTE $90 FOR HER BILL.
AND I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM.
AND SO WHAT, NO, THE $90, THIS WOMAN PAID $470 A YEAR.
AND NOW I PAY QUARTERLY A HUNDRED AND THREE TWENTY FOUR.
I WAS PAYING AT ONE TIME, 1, 1 24.
THESE LAST THREE CHANGES ON ME AND THEY CHANGED THEMSELVES.
I'VE HAD TO NEGOTIATE PERSONALLY.
AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO, AGAIN, WHAT MR. CLARK SAYS, WHEN OUR COMMITTEE AND THAT THOSE ARE HEARSAYS, THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT PEOPLE SAY UNTIL I GET DOCUMENTATION, UNTIL WE START TO DO PUBLIC MEETINGS AND I GET TO SHARE WITH THE RESIDENTS WITH YOUR HELP, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND THEN GET THOSE NUMBERS LIKE NOTHING BUT
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST.HE, UM, BACK TO MR. CLARK, I BELIEVE SOME OF HIS DATA IS SAYING IF YOU MAIL OUT TO, UH, X AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT REPRESENTS LIKE 90% OF THE HOUSE OR THE MAJORITY OF THE TOWN OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, RIGHT? IF YOU MAIL TO THIS MUCH, IT, IT RESORTS TO THIS MUCH.
SO WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO IS EITHER DO A MAILING OR DO SOMETHING JUST MAYBE EVEN ONLINE AND SEND STUFF OUT.
UM, INSTEAD OF PAYING $500 A YEAR, WOULD YOU MAYBE JUST PAY 300 IF IT'S ROLLED INTO YOUR TAXES? YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT SCENARIOS TO DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING IT.
AGAIN, IT WOULD BE BY THE NUMBER.
WE, WE DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS YET.
I'M JUST ASKING AT THIS TIME FOR THE RFP THIS TIME, IF YOU WOULD SUBMIT AN RFP JUST TO GET THIS INFORMATION.
AND AGAIN, MR. MALKI AND, UH, REQUESTED I TALKED TO MR. MALKI MIGHT, AND YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO KNOW THE SAME QUESTIONS.
WE WANT HIM TO KNOW HOW ALLY, HOW MANY CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS, WHAT SIZE TOADS.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL COME OUT LATER.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A POLICY IF THERE'S JUST A REQUEST, MULTIPLE TOADS.
I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS AFTER WE GET OUR NUMBERS AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT OUR REQUEST IS, IS IF WE CAN SUBMIT, GIVE RFP AND JUST GET PUT OUT THESE, THESE NUMBERS FOR DAN.
IS THIS YOUR COMMITTEE? THIS I
I THINK IT'S HELPFUL GOING FORWARD IF WE GET SOMETHING, UM, IN WRITING.
'CAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE CONFLICTING OPINIONS AND I'M OF THE UNDERSTANDING WITH THE SUPERVISOR THAT IT WOULD IMPACT OUR TAX CAP BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO IMPACT THE FEASIBILITY OF THIS.
IF IT DOES IMPACT OUR TAX CAP AND CAUSES US TO NEED A SUPER, LIKE TO EXCEED THE TAX CAP.
WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING UNTIL WE DO AN RFP AND GET A PRICE.
SO WE HAD, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO DO THE R-F-P-I-I SUBMIT THAT.
WE KNOW NOW THAT IT WOULD IMPACT THE TAX CAP.
AND I MEAN, I KNOW CLARENCE IS STRUGGLING WITH THIS QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
CLARENCE IS THE ONLY OTHER TOWN IN ERIE COUNTY THAT DOES THINGS THE WAY THAT, THAT WE DO.
AND THEY HAVE MADE SOME PROGRESS, BUT THAT PROGRESS HAS BEEN THWARTED SPECIFICALLY ON THE TAX CAP ISSUE.
I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, RIGHT.
AND THEY'VE TOLD ME, HOWEVER WE SLICE IT, IT'S GONNA COUNT AGAINST THE TAX CAP.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S AN CASE IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, WHY DO THE WORK OF AN RFP IF WE DON'T HAVE A BOARD THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO OVERRIDE THE TAX CAP? WE CAN SAVE OURSELVES A LOT OF TIME AND DISCUSSION.
UNLESS IF THE COMMITTEE CAN GET, IF IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT ANSWER TO THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, THEN I WILL STAND CORRECTED.
I'VE HAD MY CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PURSUE THAT ANSWER IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE AMOUNT IT'S GONNA COST.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST WITH, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, UNLESS YOU DO AN RFP.
SO MAYBE SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO INCREASE THE TAX CAP IF YOU'RE ONLY RAISING THE TAX $200 AND PEOPLE ARE SAVING $300.
BECAUSE TRUST ME, IF YOU OFFERED ME $200 INCREASE IN MY TAXES AND I'M SAVING 300 WITHOUT PAYING MY GARBAGE FEE EVERY, UH, QUARTER OR EVERY YEAR, WHATEVER IT IS, I'M IN FOR IT.
BUT THIS IS JUST SOMETHING WE'RE DOING AT WORK SESSION.
SO I THINK WHAT THE SUPERVISOR'S SAYING IS WE COULD GET SOMETHING IN WRITING EITHER WAY.
SAME, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE TAX CAP.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW WHETHER OR NOT, WHICH, IF THE UNIONS ARE RAISE, YOU'RE GONNA RAISE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CAP IT'S, OR THE, THE TAXES.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE COST IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU HAVE TO DO AN RFP TO GET GOOD PRICE.
SO I THINK IF WE GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THE COMPTROLLER, YOU MAY HAVE SOME ANSWERS FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE SITTING HERE A LITTLE HESITANT AND IN THE TIME BEING WE HAVE THREE WEEKS UNTIL ANOTHER BOARD MEETING.
IT GIVES US TIME TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL PUT THAT FORWARD ON THE AGENDA.
I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION, BUT I THINK THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME QUESTIONS AS BUDGET SEASON IS LOOMING OF HOW MUCH, SO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION IS WHETHER IT'S A TAX OR A FEE YEAH.
THAT IT COUNTS TOWARDS YOUR TAX CAP.
MR. HOPE ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT WAY IF IT DOES IMPACT OUR TAX CAP, WE HAVE LIKE BUDGET A AND BUDGET B AND THE TOWN, THE JUST TOWN, NOT THE VILLAGES, ARE GONNA HAVE A HIGH, VERY HIGH TAX RATE.
IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE ON PAPER.
AND THE VILLAGE RESIDENTS FOR BLAZEDALE AND THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE THIS HUGE DISCOUNT.
LIKE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT IT COULD BE A HUGE COST SAVINGS.
THIS IS A WORK SESSION, WE'RE JUST RIGHT.
BUT WE'RE ALSO TAKING ON A RISK.
I'M, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
I'M, I'M NOT THE CHAIRMAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
SO I'M JUST BRINGING FORWARD THE INFORMATION
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THAT THIS BOARD THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS WORKING ON THIS, AS YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEATING THEIR HEADS UP AGAINST THE WALL.SO I, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS PUT IN.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES.
I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK TO HAVE THIS VERY SIMPLE QUESTION ANSWERED BEFORE WE DECIDE HOW TO PROCEED.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN AND THINK, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU AND BOB STALLED IN THE, YOU KNOW, MATCHING OUTFITS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I WOULD'VE, SO IT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY COULD DISCUSS THEN AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION BY THEN AND BE ABLE TO, I'LL REACH OUT TO NICOLE THOMPSON AGAIN.
SHE COULDN'T BE RIGHT, BUT SHE, I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU.
AND THEN, UH, ALSO ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA, I HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE SPECIAL LABOR ISSUE.
I ALSO HAVE A LATE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE FOR, UH, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERVICES CONTRACT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS AMENDMENT TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, COMMITTEE RESOLUTION THAT IS ON THE AGENDA.
THAT WAS JUST A VERY, UH, SIMPLE, UH, TOPOGRAPHICAL ERROR.
UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU EACH HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
WHEN, AS FAR AS THE HEALTH AND SAFETY, I KNOW THAT AT THE REORG THERE WERE AMENDMENTS, AND WHEN I LOOKED BACK AT THE MINUTES, I THINK SOME OF THIS WAS COVERED BY AMENDMENTS MADE TO THAT RESOLUTION ON JANUARY 8TH.
I I BELIEVE THAT THESE, I I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY, THEY WERE MADE ON JANUARY 8TH.
UH, THIS WAS BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH, UH, MS. KINO.
UM, AND, UH, AND THESE ARE THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT SHE WOULD LIKE ON THE COMMITTEE.
OH, NO, I AGREE WITH THEM BEING ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT I, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MINUTES, THEY WERE, THEY WERE IDENTICAL.
AT LEAST TWO AND THREE WERE IDENTICAL TO AMENDMENTS WE MADE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY HARM TO, TO MAKE THE CHANGE AGAIN, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THOSE WERE AMENDMENTS THAT WE DID DO ON JANUARY 8TH.
UH, SO, UH, SINCE WE DID HAVE A VERY, UH, PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS SPECIAL LABOR ISSUE, AND I KNOW IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, UH, TO A LOT OF FOLKS, OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, OUR, OUR, UH, THE CSCA BLUE COLLAR UNIT AND TO THIS TOWN BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE AN UPDATE, UM, ON WHAT'S TRANSPIRED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE ABLE TO DISCUSS THIS PUBLICLY.
UM, AND JUST TO PROVIDE, UH, A LITTLE HISTORY.
SOME OF THIS MAY BE REDUNDANT FOR SOME FOLKS, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU MAY RECALL THAT IN 2023, UH, THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES RELATIONS BOARD DECISION MADE THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AWARE THAT A SPECIAL LABOR TITLE IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE LOCAL CIVIL SERVICE AUTHORITY.
ALSO, IN 2023, THE TOWN BOARD ELIMINATED THE TITLE OF SPECIAL LABOR TO COMPLY WITH OUR LOCAL CIVIL SERVICE LAW.
IN 2024, TOWN BOARD PASSED A SERIES OF RESOLUTIONS TO REINSTATE THAT TITLE.
THESE RESOLUTIONS DIRECTED MYSELF AS WELL AS OUR DIRECTOR OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS AND OUR PERSONNEL DIRECTOR, UH, TO IMPLEMENT THINGS WHICH HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED WOULD BE A MISDEMEANOR, WOULD BE ILLEGAL.
THIS WAS CONFIRMED BY THE ERIE COUNTY PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT IN AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO US AND FORWARDED, SENT TO ME, AND FORWARDED TO BOARD MEMBERS ON JUNE 11TH, 2024.
AFTER THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE, IT WAS AGREED UPON THAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY AND PROPERLY CREATE THE TITLE OF SPECIAL LABOR IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ON JUNE 25TH, 2024.
AFTER COLLABORATION WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION BLUE COLLAR UNIT ON DECIDING WHAT THE POTENTIAL JOB DUTIES OF SPECIAL LABOR WOULD BE, THE ERIE COUNTY PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT DENIED THE TOWN OF HAMBURG'S PO 17 TO CREATE THE POSITION.
THE ERIE COUNTY PERSONNEL DIRECTOR ADVISED THAT SKILLED LABOR MIGHT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE TITLE, UH, TO, TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE.
THE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION BLUE COLLAR UNIT REJECTED THAT COMPROMISE.
SO I PUT THIS OUT HERE BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE REMAIN, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO CREATE A TITLE, UH, FOR SPECIAL LABOR.
WE DO HAVE THE DESIRE FROM OUR CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION BLUE COLLAR UNIT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL TITLE.
UM, AND, AND I STAND WILLING TO WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSONNEL AT ERIE COUNTY AND THIS BOARD TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS, THAT WORKS FOR OUR DEPARTMENT AND
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WORKS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND WORKS FOR OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDATE AND REPORT.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH MR. BRAY A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER A FEW WEEKS.
UM, HE DID SAY, AT FIRST HE SAID MAINTENANCE WORKER WAS THE ONE I INFORMED HIM THAT WOULD INCREASE OUR SALARIES IF WE MADE UP ALL THE SPECIAL LABORS AND SOME MAINTENANCE WORKERS.
THEN HE MENTIONED THE SKILLED LABORS.
SO AS LONG AS YOU COULD THEN DO AN MOU WITH THE UNION, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD OUR MM-HMM
UNION MEETING, UM, OR THE UNION MEETING, OUR LABOR RELATIONS MEETING.
UM, LAST WEEK WE DISCUSSED THIS TO DO AN MOU WITH THE UNIONS, BASICALLY SAYING TO CHANGE THE, UM, BUT FROM THIS POINT ON, SPECIAL LABORERS WILL BE KNOWN AS SKILLED LABORERS.
UM, I DID SEND, UH, MR. BRAY OUT ANOTHER EMAIL LAST WEEK.
HE HAPPENED TO BE ON VACATION.
I CALLED HIM UP TODAY AND HE INCLUDED ME ON HIS EMAIL THAT HE SENT TO HIS ASSISTANT.
TAMMY, I AM APPROVING THE PO 17 THAT HAMBURG SUBMITTED FOR SPECIAL LABOR AS A NON-COMPETITIVE SKILLED LABOR POSITION.
PLEASE SEE ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I AM COPYING HAMBURG TOWN MEMBER COZA.
SO I'M, I BELIEVE YOUR APPEAL 17.
IF YOU WOULD, UH, UH, GIMME THE COURTESY OF FORWARDING THAT EMAIL TO ME, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO REPORT THAT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT, UH, THAT YOUR LABOR RELATIONS COMMITTEE, UH, HAS MET.
UH, MY HOPE IS THAT WE COULD SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PUBLIC SO WE KNOW WHEN THESE MEETINGS ARE BEING HELD.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SHARE THAT, UH, I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEE RELATIONS BOARD THAT HAS A LABOR MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE PROGRAM.
AND THIS IS DIRECT FROM, UH, PERS WEBSITE.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO PROMOTE HARMONIOUS AND COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AND ITS EMPLOYEES.
THE OFFICE OF CONCILIATION OFFERS ASSISTANCE TO EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATIONS INTERESTED IN ESTABLISHING, EVALUATING EXISTING LABOR MANAGEMENT COMMITTEES.
THE LABOR MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE A NON-ADVERSARIAL FORUM FOR DISCUSSION OF PROBLEMS THAT MIGHT DEVELOP INTO DISPUTES.
ONCE A DETERMINATION, MA, ONCE A DETERMINATION IS MADE TO GRANT ASSISTANCE, A PROFESSIONAL STAFF OR A PER DIEM PANEL MEMBER IS ASSIGNED TO ACT AS A FACILITATOR FOR THE COMMITTEE.
I REACHED OUT TO PERB AS WELL AS THE CSCA BLUE COLLAR UNIT, AND THEY'VE AGREED TO ENGAGE IN THIS PROGRAM.
AND WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE CALENDAR FOR JULY 25TH.
AND MY HOPE IS THAT THE END RESULT OF THIS MEETING, I'M SORRY, IT WILL BE, UH, FRIDAY, JULY 26TH, UH, THE END RESULT OF THIS EXERCISE WOULD HAVE A PROPER LABOR MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.
UH, THAT INCLUDES, UH, THE EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP OF THE TOWN.
OKAY, WE'RE HAVING OUR NEXT MEETING, AUGUST 5TH, IS IT? MM-HMM
OUR LABOR RELATIONS, UM, OUR OURS WAS WHAT I, WE DID THE, UH, RESOLUTION.
IT WAS OBVIOUSLY THERE WASN'T A LOT OF FAITH AND TRUST IN THE ADMINISTRATION, WHATEVER.
SO WE TO STEP ONE PROCESS, THE DEGREE GOES TO THE UNION OR THE REPRESENTATIVE, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD THEN GOES TO THE SUPERVISOR, THEN IT GOES TO ARBITRATION.
OURS IS A VOLUNTARY THING, AND IT'S KINDA LIKE THAT TWO AND A HALF STEPS.
SO BEFORE WE GO TO ARBITRATION, WE GO ON, TRY TO TALK AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK THINGS OUT WITH, UH, MR. MAKOWSKI, MYSELF, UM, UH, MRS.
UM, AND SO FAR WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING.
WE SEEMED TO COME UP WITH A FEW GOOD, UH, IDEAS AND, UH, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
ANY CHANGES TO THE GRIEVANCE PRO PROCESS WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
UM, THERE'S NO STEP TWO AND A HALF IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT.
UM, SO THAT UNFORTUNATELY WOULD HAVE NO BEARING ON, NO, IT DOESN'T.
WE SAID THAT IN THE RESOLUTION.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE GUY.
YOU'RE MAKE THE DECISIONS, YOU'RE, YOUR NAME IS ON THE CONTRACTS.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE THE THING WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AND COME BRING IT BACK BEFORE YOU AND SAY, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
SO WE HAVE, UM, SEVERAL ITEMS TO, UH, DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THIS POINT, GIVEN WE ONLY HAVE 12 MINUTES BEFORE THE, UH, TOWN BOARD MEETING.
SO I WOULD, I'D ACTUALLY WANNA GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA LATER TO GET CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE VOTE ON A, UM, EMPLOYMENT
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ISSUE.SO FEEL FREE TO MAKE, UH, A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS, UH, MATTER OF EMPLOYMENT REGARDING PERSONNEL PERS MATTER OF PERSONNEL REGARDING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
AND IF YOU SIMPLY ADD TO DISCUSS A SPECIFIC EMPLOYEE, THEN WE WOULD BE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW.
YEAH, IT'S TO DISCUSS, HE SAID THE STATEMENT IF YOU SAY TO DISCUSS THE, THAT STATEMENT, TO DISCUSS A SPECIFIC EMPLOYEE TO DISCUSS A SPECIFIC EMPLOYEE.
YOU WANT SO YOU SECOND YOU WERE SECONDED.
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THE RY TOWN BOARD.PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF THE FLAG PANCE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION, ONE NATION UNDER, UNDER GOD IN LAW.
SO, UH, WE COULD START WITH THE, UH, WE CALL SUPERVISOR HO.
COUNCIL MEMBER OF FAR LAUREN PRESENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CHANGE THE ORDER OF THE, OF THE MEETING TO FIRST ENTERTAIN ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS, UH, POLICE PROMOTION.
THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN PROMOTING POLICE OFFICER PATRICK MURPHY TO THE VACANT POSITION OF LIEUTENANT EFFECTIVE TUESDAY, JULY 9TH, 2024.
POLICE OFFICER PATRICK MURPHY IS CURRENTLY ON THE POLICE LIEUTENANT FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR.
FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR, CIVIL SERVICE LIST.
EXAM NUMBER 75 DASH SIX 18 AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED.
THE SALARY IS $50 AND 51 CENTS PER HOUR AND FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN B 31 20
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POINT 100.A OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOW INVITE, UH, LIEUTENANT PATRICK MURPHY TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM, AS WELL AS CHIEF DYNE, UH, TO FORMALLY RECOGNIZE THIS PROMOTION.
LAST NOTE, OFFICER MURPHY, UH, HAD BEEN WITH US FOR QUITE ABOUT NINE YEARS.
I BELIEVE WE HAD DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB AT PROVEN HIMSELF AS AN EXCELLENT OFFICER.
UH, HE WEARS MANY HATS IN THE DEPARTMENT NOW.
HE'LL CONTINUE THAT IN HIS ROLE AS LIEUTENANT AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN EASY TRANSITION FOR HIM BECAUSE OF THAT.
SO, CONGRATULATIONS THAT, THANKS.
ARE YOU GONNA DO THE OTHER TWO OFFICERS HAVE TWO MORE? YEAH.
ANOTHER LIEUTENANT THEN, UH, YOU WANT US TO STAY DOWN HERE WHILE YOU TALK? SURE.
SO WE'LL NOW ENTERTAIN RESOLUTION NUMBER 10.
REALLY RESOLVE THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BEEF OF POLICE AND PROMOTING POLICE OFFICER JOSEPH OSA TO THE POSITION OF LIEUTENANT EFFECTIVE TUESDAY, JULY 9TH, 2024.
POLICE OFFICER JOSEPH LAROSA IS CURRENTLY ON THE POLICE LIEUTENANT FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR CIVIL SERVICE LIST.
EXAM NUMBER 75 DASH 6 1 8 AND BE A FURTHER RESOLVE.
THE SALARY IS $50 AND 51 CENTS PER HOUR AND FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN B 31 20 POINT 100.
UH, OSA HAD BEEN WITH US, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, HOWEVER, HIS UH, POLICE BACKGROUND IS RATHER EXTENSIVE.
HE IS OVER 28 YEARS OF POLICE EXPERIENCE.
HE CAME, UH, TO OUR DEPARTMENT FROM THE EVANS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HE HAS OVER 20 YEARS OF TRAINING EXPERIENCE AS WELL.
AND AS I SAID, UH, REGARDING, UH, OFFICER MURPHY, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN EASY TRANSITION FOR OFFICER LAROSA TO BE A FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT THAT DON'T KNOW, OFFICER LAROSA'S FATHER WAS A DETECTIVE WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR MANY YEARS AND HE WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE VERY PROUD OF YOU, JOE.
I WAS GONNA SAY SUCH A
SO, GUYS, GRADUATION, THERE YOU GO.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO OTHER, UH, HIRES, NEW HIRES IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THOSE ARE UNDER ITEMS NUMBER 12 13TH.
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THE TOWN BOARD WILL MOVE BOTH THOSE RESOLUTIONS AND THEN WE WILL ASK BOTH OF OUR NEW OFFICERS TO JOIN US, UH, FOR CHIEF DENNIS TO UH, PRESENT YOUR BADGE.ITEM NUMBER 12, WHEREAS NEIGHBOR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS A VACANCY FOR A POLICE OFFICER AND A CANDIDATE IS AVAILABLE ON THE POLICE OFFICE.
RESIDE EXAM LIST NUMBER 67 DASH 7 29 AND NOW THEREFORE BE THE RESULT.
THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO APPOINT ANDREW T GRETCHEN TO THE FULL-TIME POSITION OF POLICE OFFICER PROBATIONARY EFFECTIVE SUNDAY, JULY 14TH, 2024 AND BE FURTHER RESOLVED.
THE APPOINTMENT IS SUBJECT TO ALL PRECONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO PHYSICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL, AND POLYGRAPH TESTING BE RESOLVED.
THE SALARY IS $27 83 CENTS PER HOUR AND FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT B 31 20.
WHERE AM POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A VACANCY FOR A POLICE OFFICER AND CANDIDATE IS AVAILABLE ON THE POLICE OFFICER RESIDENCY.
EXAM LIST NUMBER 67 DASH SEVEN DO NINE AND NOW THEREFORE DO RESOLVE THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CHIEF OF THE POLICE TO APPOINT NATHAN E CAR TO A FULL-TIME POSITION OF POLICE OFFICER PROBATIONARY DETECTIVE SUNDAY, JULY 14TH, 2024 AND HE IS FURTHER RESOLVED.
APPOINTMENT IS SUBJECT TO ALL PRECONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT, INCLUDING THE AMOUNT LIMITED TO PHYSICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL, AND POLYGRAPH TESTING BE RESOLVED.
THE SALARY IS 27 83 PER HOUR AND THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE.
WE THESE FIVE OFFICERS AND YOU DON'T GET THIS FAR WITHOUT SUPPORT OF YOUR FAMILY SO FRANK THAT WAY.
SO WE GOOD WITH FAMILY? THANK YOU.
WE CONDUCTED, UH, MANY INTERVIEWS AND I MUST SAY WE CAME UP WITH TWO OUTSTANDING CANDIDATES.
UH, BOTH OF 'EM ALREADY HAVE GONE TO THE POLICE ACADEMY AND HAVE GRADUATED FROM THE POLICE ACADEMY AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS, SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, STEP RIGHT IN.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE POLICE ACADEMY AND WE HAVE VERY HIGH EXPECTATIONS FOR BOTH OF THEM.
SO THIS WILL BRING US TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, I BELIEVE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS A NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE CLERK, I'LL READ THE NOTICE.
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TAKE NOTICE THAT THERE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD ON MAY 20TH, 2024 PURSUANT TO MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, A PROPOSED LOCAL LAW TO BE KNOWN AS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW.8 20 24 SAID LOCAL LAW PROVIDES FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE HAMBURG TOWN CODE IN THE FOLLOWING CHAPTERS AND SECTIONS.
THE FOLLOWING CODE REVISIONS HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE HAMBURG CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR ADOPTION BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
THE AMENDMENTS CAN BE DESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS.
AND THEN CHAPTER TWO 80, ZONING BY AMENDING SECTION 3 0 9 ENTITLED PROCEDURES FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL IN CHAPTER TWO 30, SECTION 14 ENTITLED SUBMISSION OF PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
A DETAILED COPY OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS IN THE FOLLOWING DEPARTMENTS.
HAMBURG TOWN HALL TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK, AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT LOWER LEVEL ALSO ON THE TOWN OF HAMBURG'S WEBSITE ON THE PLANNING BOARD PAGE AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG UNDER PROJECTS TAB.
THEREFORE, PURSUANT TO THE STATUTES AND PROVISIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW, THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 8TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM LOCAL TIME, AT WHICH TIME ALL INTERESTED PERSONS MAY BE HEARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN IF ANYBODY HAS COME TO, UH, SPEAK ON THESE CHANGES TO THE TOWN CODE.
SEEING THAT WE HAVE NOBODY AND WE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN, HAMBURG TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS AS FOLLOWS.
WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND WHERE PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTES HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
IMPROVING THE PHYSICAL MENTAL HEALTH OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR PARKS AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTES TIME SPENT IN NATURE, WHICH POS POSITIVELY IMPACTS MENTAL HEALTH BY INCREASING THE COGNITIVE PERFORMANCE AND WELLBEING AND ALLEVIATING ILLNESSES SUCH AS DEPRESSION, ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDERS, AND ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE.
AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION ENCOURAGES PHYSICAL ACTIVITY BY PROVIDING SPACE FOR POPULAR SPORTS, HIKING TRAILS, SWIMMING POOLS, AND MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO PROMOTE ACTIVE LIFESTYLES.
AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION IS A LEADING, LEADING PROVIDER OF HEALTHY MEALS, NUTRITION SERVICES AND EDUCATION.
AND WHEREAS PARK AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING AND EDUCATION ACTIVITIES SUCH AS OUT OF SCHOOL PROGRAMMING, YOUTH SPORTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ARE CRITICAL TO CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION INCREASES THE COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY THROUGH INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, EXPANSION OF A LOCAL TAX BASE, INCREASED TOURISM, THE ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES AND CRIME REDUCTION.
AND WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION IS FUNDAMENTAL TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHEREAS PARK AND RECREATION IS ESSENTIAL AND ADAPTABLE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITIES RESILIENT IN THE FACE OF NATURAL DISASTERS AND CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND WHEREAS OUR PARKS AND NATURAL RECREATION AREAS ENSURE THE ECOLOGICAL BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE A PLACE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS TO CONNECT WITH NATURE AND RECREATE OUTDOORS.
AND WHEREAS THE US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS DESIGNATED JULY AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECOGNIZES THE BENEFITS DERIVED FROM PARKS AND RECREATION RESOURCES NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE TOWN, HAMBURG TOWN BOARD THAT JULY IS RECOGNIZED AS PARK AND RECREATION MONTH IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO, UH, DISCUSS HIS RESOLUTION IF WE CAN HAVE, UH, A SECOND, A UNANIMOUS SECOND.
ON THE QUESTION I KNOW WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF YOUTH REC AND SENIOR SERVICES HERE.
UM, AND OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, UH, WE'VE SEEN, UH, GREAT INVESTMENT IN OUR PARKS, IN OUR FACILITIES, IN OUR RECREATION PROGRAMMING.
WE'VE SEEN NEW STAFF COME TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG THAT HAVE BROUGHT CREATIVE IDEAS TO SERVE ALL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
FROM CHILDREN ALL THE WAY UP TO OUR MOST OLDEST CITIZENS.
WE'VE SEEN AN UNPRECEDENTED INVESTMENT IN OUR PARKS AND THAT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE LEADERSHIP OF, UH, MS. GORMAN KING'S TEAM AT YOUTH REC AND SENIOR SERVICES.
AND IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE HARD WORK OF OUR BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT LED BY NATE RIVERA, WHO HAS BEEN ABLE TO BRING TOWN RESOURCES AND TOWN EMPLOYEES TO THESE PROJECTS RATHER THAN
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JUST SIMPLY SUBCONTRACTING OUT TO A PROVIDER TO THROW UP SOME SWING SETS.UH, WE'VE HAD TRUE TEAMWORK TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PARKS ARE BECOMING THE ENVY OF WESTERN NEW YORK.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY APPLAUD, UH, NOT JUST THE TEAM AT YOUTH REC AND SENIOR SERVICES, BUT THE GREAT WORK OF OUR BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT, UH, IN MAKING THESE PROGRAMS A SUCCESS.
PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER SIX.
CHAPTER 76, WHEREAS A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON JUNE 17TH, 2024 FOR DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC COMMENT ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW.
AND WHEREAS PROPOSED LOCAL NUMBER SIX PROVIDES FOR AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 76 OF THE RY TOWN CODE ENTITLED BUILDING CODE.
NOW THEREFORE, WE RESOLVED THE RY TOWN BOARD ADOPT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE HAMBRICK TOWN CO.
CHAPTER 76 ENTITLED BUILDING CODE.
NUMBER SEVEN, AMEND THE CRI REZONING APPROVAL RESOLUTION WHEREAS ON JUNE 17TH, 2024, THE HENRY TOWN BOARD ADOPTED RESOLUTION NUMBER 28 CRI PROPOSED REZONING AREAS APPROVAL RESOLUTION ENACTING LOCAL LAW NUMBER 6 20 24.
AND WHEREAS RESOLUTION NUMBER 28 CONTAINED A TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR IN THE FINAL PARAGRAPH REFERRING TO M THREE ZONING AND WHEREAS THE CURRENT ZONING CLASSIFICATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THIS SINGLE TYPO GRAPHICAL ERROR IS SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO M THREE ZONING IS HEREBY AMENDED TO READ M TWO.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A
UH, CAN YOU READ THAT AGAIN? IT SHOULD HAVE M TWO AT THE END OF IT.
SO, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE, UH, THE THIRD WHEREAS CLAUSE, WHEREAS A COLLECT ZONING CLASSIFICATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN M TWO.
YOU ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT? AYE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
OPPOSED? DETENTIONS CARRIED BE F RECREATION AND SENIOR SERVICES BE IT RESOLVED THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE TERMINATION AND HIRING OF PERSONNEL, YOUTH RECREATION SER SERVICES, THE, UH, DEPARTMENT AS FOLLOWS.
NINE AND 10 HAVE BEEN COVERED.
THAT BRINGS US TO NUMBER 11, WHEREAS THE DCJS OFFICE OF PUBLIC SAFETY TOGETHER WITH THE UNIVERSITY POLICE AT SUNY CORTLAND ARE OFFERING THE SECOND ANNUAL FIRST RESPONDER WELLNESS SYMPOSIUM DEVELOPING RESILIENCY CONFERENCE IN CORTLAND, NEW YORK FROM THURSDAY, AUGUST 1ST, 2024 TO FRIDAY, AUGUST 2ND, 2024.
AND WHERE THE CONFERENCE IS PROVIDED FREE OF COST TO ATTENDEES AND NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED DETECTIVE WILLIAM STOLL TO ATTEND THE SECOND ANNUAL FIRST RESPONDER WELLNESS SYMPOSIUM WITH THE FOLLOWING EXPENSES AS LISTED FOR A TOTAL COST OF $356 AND 45 CENTS.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE USE OF AN UNMARKED POLICE VEHICLE FOR TRANSPORTATION.
ALL IN FAVOR? A, A OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED.
12 AND 13 HAVE, UH, ALREADY BEEN MOVED.
WE HAVE IT PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.
UH, REGARDING THE HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE, THIS WAS THE RESOLUTION THAT I DISCUSSED DURING THE WORK SESSION, UH, THAT WE HAD AMENDED, UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND AND I'LL READ IT, THE AMENDMENT RIGHT INTO THE RESOLUTION WE RESOLVE.
THE TOWN BOARD DIRECTS THE FOLLOWING CHANGES BEING MADE TO THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE FOR A TERM COMMENCING JULY 9TH, 2024 AND ENDING DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
NATE RIVERA IS TO REPLACE PATRICK RYAN AS BUILDING AND GROUNDS REPRESENTATIVE MARK BURNES TO REPLACE MATT JURICH AS IAFF REPRESENTATIVE TIM CRAWFORD, HAMBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TO BE ADDED AS PBA REPRESENTATIVE SOMO I'D LIKE TO OFFER BY AMENDMENT SECOND.
SO WE HAVE A, A SECOND TO MY MOTION AND WE HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND.
YES, I'D LIKE TO AMEND SO THAT IT SAYS, UM, IN ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT IT SAYS NATE RIVERA AND PAT RYAN.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND.
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED ON THE AMENDED RESOLUTION.
ITEM NUMBER 16, GATEWAY BUILDING REZONING PUD REFERRAL TO PLANNING BOARD.
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WHEREAS TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM 35 56 LAKE LAKESHORE DEVELOPMENT LLC TO RESUME 25.32 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 35 56 LAKESHORE ROAD FROM C3 TO PUD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MIXED USE SITE OFFERING TOWN HOMES, CONDOMINIUMS, AND LUXURY APARTMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AND COMMERCIAL USES SUCH AS RESTAURANTS, HOTEL SPACE, AND CONTINUING USE OF SOME OF THE EXISTING OFFICE SPACE AT THE GATEWAY BUILDING.AND WHEREAS CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND ALTHOUGH THEY HAD CONCERNS, FOUND ENOUGH MERIT IN THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY TO SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD TO BEGIN THE PROCESS NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE HEMBRY TOWN BOARD HEREBY ENTERTAINS WITH CONCERNS THIS REZONING REQUEST AND REFERS THE APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION AND BE FURTHER RESOLVED.
THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ACT AS LEAD AGENCY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT AND HEREBY AUTHORIZED AS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PERFORM THE APPROPRIATE SEEKER MAILINGS AND TO COMPLETE THE REQUIRED COUNTY REFERRAL.
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS ATTORNEY FOR THAT
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME.
UH, I'M ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND AND PROPOSED DEVELOPER 35 56, UH, GATEWAY DEVELOPMENT, LLC.
YOU GUYS HAVE ALL HEARD THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE CODE REVIEW COMMITTEE AS FAR AS THE INITIAL, UH, REVIEW AND, AND, UH, REFERRAL TO THE TOWN BOARD AND, UH, TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE PROPOSAL JUST TO BRING SOME CLARITY FOR THE TOWN BOARD, IT'S A CONVERSION FROM COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE, WHICH IS THE EXISTING USE OF THE TOWER TO A MIXED USE OF PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL USES.
RESIDENTIAL, UH, WILL BE SOME HOTEL SPACE WITHIN THE TOWER, ALSO RESTAURANT SPACE, BOTH AT THE LOWER LEVELS AND POTENTIALLY ON THE ROOF, UM, OF THE TOWER AS WELL.
AND THEN A SERIES OF 16 WHAT WE'LL CALL TOWN HOMES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER, BETTER TERM FOR IT STRUCTURES, UH, SITUATED AROUND THE SITE.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A REAL NICE REUSE OF THIS SITE TO HAVE A LOWER INTENSITY.
UM, THE NET, ACTUALLY NET LOSS OF GREEN SPACE IS ONLY 2% WITH ALL THAT BUILDING.
THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING ON THAT SITE AND WE'RE GONNA CUT THAT BACK.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT GREENER SITE THAN WE HAVE OTHERWISE.
BUT THE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, A HIGH LEVEL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE AND BRING A LITTLE BIT, UH, BRING THE PUBLIC INTO THE SITE.
UM, THIS WILL ALLOW A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF THAT AND WE'LL ALSO INCLUDE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO BOTH THE STATE PARK, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND THEN SIDEWALKS UP TO THE NORTH.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A NICE PROPOSAL AND UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE TOWN AS WE GO.
WE GO THROUGH THIS AND WE'LL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS FOR IT BEFORE YOU GUYS AS WE GET THROUGH IT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AT THIS EARLY JUNCTURE, BUT OTHERWISE, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM NUMBER 17, LAKEVIEW AND MEMORIAL DRIVE, INDUSTRIAL REZONING PUBLIC HEARING RESOLUTION WHERE TOWN OF HAMBURG PROPOSED TO REZONE PARCELS NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF LAKEVIEW ROAD, OLD LAKEVIEW ROAD, NEVINS ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING SBL NUMBERS FROM M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS LISTED, THE TOWN ALSO PROPOSES TO REZONE PARCELS, UH, AS LISTED FROM M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND REZONE PARCEL 1 95 0.08 DASH 13 DASH SEVEN FROM M TWO TO R ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
WHEREAS THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IS PROPOSED IN THE FORM OF A LOCAL LAW PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORITY GRANTED OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AND THE TOWN BY ARTICLES TWO AND THREE OF THE NEW YORK STATE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE OF LAW.
AND BY ARTICLE TWO OF THE NEW YORK STATE STATUTE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
AND THE TOWN BOARD IS AUTHORIZED AND POWERED BY CHAPTER TWO 80, ARTICLE X-L-V-I-I-I OF THE CODE AND ARTICLE 16 OF NEW YORK TOWN LAW TO AMEND THE ZONING MAP OF THE TOWN TO MEET THE GROWING AND CHANGING NEEDS OF THE TOWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AS FOLLOWS, FOR THE REASONS SET FORTH IN THIS RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO NEW YORK STATE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE OF LAW SECTION 20 AND SECTIONS EIGHT THROUGH 15 AND TWO 80 THROUGH 3 38 OF THE CODE, THE TOWN BOARD HEREBY PROPOSES A LOCAL LAW TO AMEND THE ZONING MAP AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TO REONE PARCELS NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF LAKEVIEW ROAD, OLD LAKEVIEW ROAD, NEVINS ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING SBL NUMBERS FROM M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS LISTED.
THE TOWN ALSO PROPOSES TO REZONE PARCEL TO SBL NUMBERS, UH, AS LISTED FROM M TWO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND THE PARCEL WITH SBL NUMBER 1 95 0.08 DASH 13 DASH SEVEN FROM M TWO TO R ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT TWO IN ACCORDANCE WITH
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THE NEW YEAR'S STATE MUNICIPAL MONROE LAW 25, THE TOWN BOARD HEREBY SCHEDULES A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR ITS MEETING ON AUGUST 5TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM TO BE HELD AT THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL, LOCATED AT 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK.THE TOWN BOARD DIRECTS THE TOWN CLERK TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN NEW YORK STATE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW OUT OF THE 16 OF NEW YORK TOWN LAW AND TWO 80 THROUGH THREE 40 OF THE CODE AND DIRECTS THE TOWN CLERK TO PUBLISH OF THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN'S OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER, NOT LESS THAN 10 CALENDAR DAYS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE TOWN BOARD ALSO DIRECTS THE TOWN CLERK TO POST A COPY OF THE PROPOSED MAP AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AND TO MAKE A PROPER COPY OF THE PROPOSED LOCAL LAW MAP AMENDMENT AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW BY THE PUBLIC AT TOWN HALL LOCATED AT 6,100 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK, 1 4 0 7 5.
WE'D LIKE TO DO 7 8 18 AND 19.
THAT'S THE SAME TIME, UH, JULY AND AUGUST TAYLOR, UH, ROAD ALCOHOL WAIVER WE RESOLVED THE TOWN BOARD DOES HEREBY AUTHORIZE ALCOHOL WAIVER FOR THE FOLLOWING JUNE, 2024.
THEY GOT JUNE, MAYBE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE JULY.
AND, AND ON AUGUST, UH, 2024, TAYLOR ROWE REYN AS FOLLOWS.
NUMBER 20 BURKE ROAD PARKING AREA COMPLETION WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AWARDED A CONTRACT TO AA SERVICES INCORPORATED TO CONSTRUCT A NEW STONE PARKING AREA AT THE BURKE ROAD PARK.
AND WHERE HAS THE TOWN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMPLETED A FINAL WALKTHROUGH INSPECTION ON 6 21 20 24.
AND WHEREAS ALL WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED PER THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED, THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES A SUPERVISOR TO SIGN THE CERTIFICATE OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION DATED 6 22 20 24 AND RELEASE PROJECT RETAIN MOVED SECOND.
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED NUMBER 21 31 96 WEST PLEASANT BUILDING DEMOLITION WHEREAS THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTIES AND ABANDONED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED 3 1 9 6 WEST PLEASANT HAS BEEN DEEMED BY THE TOWN CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL TO BE AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE AND ENDANGERMENT TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE AND WHEREAS IT WAS THE DETERMINATION OF THE TOWN CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL BASED ON HIS FORMAL INSPECTION AND REPORT TO THE TOWN, TO THE TOWN BOARD, DID PROCEED TO CONDEMN, SAID VACANT PREMISES WHEREAS THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED NO RESPONSE BY THE LISTED OWNER, NOR HAS ANY REMEDIAL WORK BEEN UNDERTAKEN TO ALLEVIATE THE KNOWN HAZARDS.
CURRENTLY THE UNSAFE CONDITIONS WHICH PERSIST ON THE PREMISES ONLY HAVE BECOME MORE HAZARDOUS TO THE PUBLIC.
THEREFORE IT BE RESOLVED AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THE REPORT PREPARED BY THE TOWN TOWN CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL AND THE ABSENCE OF RESPONSE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
ORDER THE DEMOLITION OF THE BANDED BUILDING AND BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED THE TOWN CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL TO ADMINISTER THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION BY ESTABLISHING THE SCOPE OF WORK NECESSARY CONTRACTS AND COST ESTIMATES, INCLUDING THE NECESSARY REMEDIAL WORK TO RENDER THE PROPERTY SAFE AND NOW IT BE FURTHER RESOLVED THE TOWN BOARD FURTHER ORDER THAT A NOTICE BE FORWARDED TO THE OWNER OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE PROPERTY ON WHICH THE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE MANNER AS PRESCRIBED BY LOCAL LAW.
SECTION 5 19 72 SECTION N, SECTION 80.3, PARAGRAPH C.
RENOVATIONS PHASE FOUR WHEREAS CONSTRUCTION ON TOWN OF HAMBURG ICE ARENA RENOVATION AND UPGRADE PROJECT IS UNDERWAY AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WISHES TO CONSTRUCT NEW LOCKER ROOM FACILITIES, A NEW IDA ACCESSIBLE RESTROOM AND RENOVATION AND EXPANSION TO THE CONCESSION AREA AND WHEREAS DE DONATO ASSOCIATES SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL, UH, FOR TIME AND MATERIALS TO PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE TO PRODUCE BID, UM, DOC, EXCUSE ME, BID DOCUMENTS WITH TOTAL CONTRACT ESTIMATE $34,150 NO CENTS.
THE TOM BOARD AUTHORIZED THE SUPERVISOR TO SIGN OF CO NUMBER 3 3 8 8 DASH SIX BETWEEN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND THE DONATO ASSOCIATES NOT TO EXCEED THREE $34,150 0 CENTS FUNDS AVAILABLE ON ACCOUNT NUMBER H 1 1 1 4 4 0 4 4 0 ICE ARENA CONTRACT PERSONAL SERVICES ENGINEERING.
NIKE BASE SOCCER FIELD RESTROOM SITE WORK WHEREAS THE TIME OF HAMBURG ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS PREPARED BID DOCUMENTS FOR THE NIKE BASE SOCCER FIELD, RESTROOM SITE UTILITY WORK PROJECT.
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OPENING WAS HELD ON JULY 2ND, 2024 AT 11:00 AM WHERE NINE BIDS WERE OPENED AND READ ALOUD.AND WHEREAS AT THE LOWEST RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BUSINESS PROJECT IS HIGHLAND AGER LANDSCAPING INCORPORATED, HAVING SUBMITTED A BASE BID AMOUNT OF ONE $72,300 AND ALTERNATE NUMBER ONE AMOUNT OF $16,650 AND ALTERNATE TWO AMOUNT OF $3,000 FOR A TOTAL IN THE AMOUNT OF $191,950 AND NO CENTS BE RESOLVED, THAT THE TOWN SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH HIGHLAND ACRES LANDSCAPING INCORPORATED AND ISSUED THE NOTICE OF THE LORD AND NOTICE TO PROCEED FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT H 1 12 71 85 4 0 3.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS? I THINK WE GOT A QUESTION.
UH, RUMOR ON THE STREET IS THAT THE ICE RATE WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE UNTIL DECEMBER AND JANUARY.
UM, AND TEAMS ARE BEING TOLD TO START LOOKING FOR NEW LIGHTS.
UH, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE? UH, KEN, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT FOR US? YEAH, UH, IT'S STILL TOO EARLY TO LOCK DOWN ANYTHING RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS THAT WE RAN INTO THAT I'LL BE TALKING WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT, UM, AFTER MEETINGS I HAVE TOMORROW.
SO THAT IS A POTENTIAL SCENARIO, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING THE PROBLEM.
SO WITHOUT THAT SCENARIO, WE'RE STILL ON TRACK FOR SEPTEMBER.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HIT SEPTEMBER.
WE RAN INTO SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE SUBFLOORING, LIKE WHEN THEY DEMOED THE CONCRETE, THE CONCRETE PILLARS HAVE SOME GAPS IN 'EM AND WE CAN'T PROPERLY LEVEL THE FLOOR, SO WE HAVE TO DO A SMALL CHANGE ORDER, PUT A LAYER OF SAND IN THERE TO LEVEL THAT CORRECTLY SO THAT WE CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD.
AND VIA A RATE SIZE IS STRIKING BY SEVEN FEET TO MAKE IT MATCH N HHL STANDARDS.
SO THERE'S CHANGE ORDER TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK WITH 500 REFORM, THEN CLOSE UP, UH, A GAP IN THE CONCRETE THAT THEY, THAT WERE LEFT FROM THE OLD CODE LAB.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS I GOTTA ADDRESS THIS WEEK AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE BOARD.
ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFO THAT YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL UPDATE EVERYTHING.
THE MORE ACCURATE WE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO AND THIS IS WHAT WE MIGHT BE SOME OF THE DATES WERE, WE'RE HITTING, SO, OKAY.
STILL, I I KNOW THE LAST TIME I SPOKE WITH YOU, WHICH WAS ONLY LIKE A WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF AGO, WE WERE STILL ON TRACK.
SO, UM, IF THE TOWN BOARD CAN BE KEPT ABREAST OF THESE SITUATIONS BECAUSE WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT IT FROM SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HEARD IT FROM SOMEONE ON THE STREET LONG BEFORE, WE KNOW THAT'S, THAT MAKES THINGS VERY DIFFICULT.
SO IF WE CAN BE KEPT INFORMED, BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE BEEN CHECKING WITH YOU QUITE REGULARLY WHETHER YOU ENCOUNTERED AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD'VE ENCOUNTERED NO MATTER WHAT, UM, THAT YOU'VE I I'M ASSUMING CORRECT? NOT THIS THING, THIS NO, THE NO, I MEANT THAT THE, THE SAND.
I KNOW WHEN YOU EXPLAINED IT TO ME YEAH.
WHAT HAD TO BE DONE, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU UNCOVERED AND WHENEVER THAT WAS UNCOVERED THAT WAS GONNA BE, BECOME AN ISSUE.
WELL AGAIN, WELL WE DID HAVE A SOLUTION WITH THAT PROBLEM.
SO WE'RE WAITING FOR OUR CONTRACTOR TO COME UP WITH A QUOTE FOR UNTIL ACTUALLY WHAT TO TELL YOU BECAUSE YOU GUYS KNOW ME, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU ANYTHING THAT IS FACTUAL.
WE HAD ONE OPTION OF COMING UP WITH THE SAND, WE TALKING ABOUT SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
SO RATHER THAN PUTTING FALSE DATA OUT INTO THE BLOODSTREAM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PLAN MOVING FORWARD AND WE
IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE COULD DO, I MEAN WE WERE VOTED ON IT, WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT ICE WAS GOING TO BE THERE.
I WOULD LOVE, I WOULD LOVE A SPECIAL MEETING MAYBE IN TWO WEEKS TO AUTHORIZE A CHANGE ORDER THAT WE COME UP WITH.
UH, WE HAD A SMALL $20,000 ALLOWABLE BILL TO THAT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP COSTS WITHIN THAT, BUT IT'S GOING EXCEEDED SLIGHTLY, WHICH WE STILL HAD CONTINGENCY BUILT INTO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAD ALLOCATED FROM THE PROJECT.
SO IT'S NOT
BUT IF WE COULD, AND I KNOW, I KNOW THESE MONTHS WE, WE ONLY HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER BOARD MEETING UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
I MEAN, AS COUNCIL, UM, YEAH, COUNCIL PERSON, UH,
UM, WHEN THEY PUT IT OUT FOR BID, DID THEY WITHDRAWN, UM, THE SEVEN FEET INDUCTION IN THE SIZE, WAS THAT KNOWN PRIOR TO THE, WAS THAT, UH, NO, BECAUSE I MEAN I ALWAYS THOUGHT SKATED ON IT THAT IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT I MEAN THAT SEEMS TO ME PROBLEMATIC RELATIVE TO IF YOU'RE BUYING PREFABRICATED BOARDS THAT I MEAN THAT, THAT TO ME IS A DETAIL THAT I THINK SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED.
BECAUSE IF, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THOSE RINKS WERE, WERE BUILT, UM, THEY'RE NOT ALL STANDARD N HHL RINKS.
I MEAN THERE'S OLYMPIC SIZE RINKS, THERE'S VARI VARIABILITY.
I REMEMBER THE AUTO, THE MEMORIAL AUDITORIUM HAD A
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DIFFERENT SIZE.THERE WAS ONCE UPON NOT, NOT THAT LONG AGO IN THE NHL WHERE THERE'S VARIABILITY VARIABILITY.
AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT OFFLINE, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHOEVER BID IT SHOULD HAVE LET US KNOW BEFORE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, NOT BEING AN ENGINEER, BUT I IMAGINE IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE TO CHANGE, IF FOOTPRINT THAT CHANGES DRAMATICALLY, UH, WHAT WE WOULD'VE DONE AND HAD SOMEONE POINTED THAT OUT, WE COULD HAVE MADE STEPS BEFORE.
I MEAN THAT'S A BIG CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DELAYED THE BOARDS AND THEN DONE IT THE NEXT YEAR.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? DOES THAT, DOES THAT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE BOARDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WELL, THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE WERE SO, YOU KNOW, ON THE FENCE WHETHER WE WERE DOING EM OR NOT, AND WE APPROVED THAT THING ORDER TO BOARD THAT SAME NIGHT.
SO THAT'S HOW THE TIMELINE WORKED OUT FOR THE, THE RING SIZE CHANGE.
WE, WE COULD IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE BUILT OUT OR IS IT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES? WHAT BUT THE, THE, THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE CONSTRUCTION SURE, SURE.
THE CHANGE ORDER IS GONNA BE DONE BY THE CONTRACTOR DOING IT.
SO HE'S JUST KIND OF REPHRASE.
YEAH, BUT I DO REGRET THOUGH, YOU'RE SAYING HAD WE, YOU TRIED TO PUT IT ON US LIKE WE WADE AND THAT SAID, LET, LET ME FINISH, LET ME FINISH.
AND WHAT I, WHAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW IS THAT WHOEVER BID THIS DIDN'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THE RING.
SO WE VOTED ON BOARDS FOR AN NHL SIZE RING AND THEN YOU COME HERE AND SAY IT'S WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MEASURED.
IT'S ATTENTION TO DETAIL LIKE THAT.
LIKE YOU WOULDN'T LIKE PUT A COVER ON A SWIMMING POOL WITHOUT MEASURING IT.
SO WHY WOULD YOU ORDER BOARDS FOR ICE WITHOUT MEASURING THE SIZE OF THE ARENA TO KNOW THOSE ARE DETAILS THAT ENGINEERS, THAT PEOPLE SHOULD DO.
ALL THE TAXPAYER, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT, UM, ARE GONNA SKATE ON THAT RANK.
SO NOW, NOW WE'RE TOLD THAT, I MEAN, WELL WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN WHAT HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE OF THE BOARDS.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD BOARDS THAT WE ORDERED ARE NOW MATCHING NHL REGULATION 200 BY 85 AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE.
OUR OLD SYSTEM WAS BIGGER, IT WAS 2 0 7 AND IT WAS LIKE 86.
SO IT'S COMING IN SIX INCHES EACH SIDE AND SEVEN FEET ON ONE END TO GIVE US MORE ROOM WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE LOCKER ROOMS. THIS ACTUALLY WORKS TO OUR ADVANTAGE FOR PUTTING IN THE LOCKER ROOMS. THE QUESTION IS, DID YOU KNOW THAT BEFORE? I DID NOT KNOW THAT.
SO WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE MEASURE THAT BEFORE? SO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE NOW TO FIX IT, TO GET IT SO THEY CAN GET ICE? WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE COMING UP WITH THAT WITH MY MEETING TOMORROW? IF YOU WOULD LOVE, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOMEONE TO ATTEND THIS WITH ME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
WHAT TIME'S THE MEETING? MM-HMM
IT'S, UH, ONE, IT'S SET UP THREE O'CLOCK TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
I CAN SEND YOU A MEETING ADVICE IF YOU WANT TO.
UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, A LITTLE NOTICE WOULD BE WOULD BE GREAT.
AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR JOB, RIGHT? YOU DO A FULL-TIME JOB FOR THE TOWN.
SO WE RELIED ON YOUR ADVICE, RIGHT? YOU SAID THAT THESE BOARDS WERE GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WAS GOOD.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING NOW IS, AND AND YOU'RE NOT DIRECTLY ANSWERING MY QUESTION, BUT THE, YOU DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME THAT THE ICE WAS DIFFERENT.
SO THIS REMINDS ME OF LIKE THE HUBBLE, UH, SPACE TELESCOPE.
WHEN THE ENGINEERS, WHEN THEY DID THE MEASUREMENTS RELATIVE TO, UH, LENSES, THEY CONFUSED METRIC WITH THE ENGLISH SYSTEM.
SO THEY SENT A TELESCOPE UP TO SPACE AND IT'S FARSIGHTED OR NEARSIGHTED AND, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE MEASUREMENTS.
OKAY? SO BEFORE WE ORDERED THE, THE BOARDS, IT'S THE SAME THING.
LIKE IF, AND I GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF A SWIMMING POOL, YOU WOULD MEASURE THE SWIMMING POOL RIGHT BEFORE YOU ORDERED THE COVER.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF MADE OF, OF THIS.
AND HAD WE KNOWN THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL CHANGES SO THAT THE BOARDS CAN FIT.
WELL, WE DID THE DEMO OF THE BOARDS BEFORE THE MEASUREMENT, SO NOW WE'RE IN A PREDICAMENT, RIGHT? AND THAT, AND THAT MAKES PROBLEMS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY USING THAT ARENA.
AND I JUST THINK THAT THOSE DETAILS SHOULD HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT BEFORE BECAUSE WE OWE IT LIKE WE, THIS, THIS IS A PART-TIME JOB FOR, FOR ME IT'S A FULL-TIME JOB FOR YOU.
BUT WE TAKE, WE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY AND WE STUDIED THIS AND WE DEBATED EXTENSIVELY.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE WILL BE ICE FOR PEOPLE TO USE IN THIS COMMUNITY ON SEPTEMBER.
AND HAD I KNOWN THAT SOMEONE DID NOT MEASURE THE ICE, THEN I WOULD'VE SAID DON'T DEMO THE BOARDS, LET'S LOOK AT IT NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S NO POINT, RIGHT? IF YOU DON'T HAVE ICE, YOU DON'T HAVE ICE.
WE STILL HAVE BOARDS THAT WORK FINE ICE SKATED ON THAT RINK AS AS RECENTLY AS LAST YEAR.
AND THE BOARDS WERE GREAT, BUT THEY WORKED.
SO NOW WE'RE HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN, AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE CONCERN OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE THAT USE IT.
KEN, CAN YOU SEND ME THE INVITE? I DO MORE THAN HAPPY TO ATTEND AND WORK WITH YOU TO GET A SOLUTION IN PLACE
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AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ATTEND.ALSO, I KNOW WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ACTUALLY WHEN, WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER ZI AND I WALKED THROUGH THE NIKE SITE A MONTH AGO WITH YOU, YOU BROUGHT THAT UP OR, OR ACTUALLY IT WAS KIND OF DISCOVERED THAT DAY, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THAT HAD BEEN, IT HAD BEEN RESOLVED A, A MONTH AGO.
UM, BUT I KNOW THE LIAISON, UM, DAN, I DON'T WANNA STEP ON ANYONE'S TOES.
I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO BE THERE AT THREE O'CLOCK TOMORROW ALSO, UNLESS YOU WANTED TO.
IT'S GONNA BE A ZOOM, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO I THINK, YEAH, SEND ME THE LINK.
WELL, ONLY TWO OF US CAN MANAGE IT.
THIS BRINGS US ITEM NUMBER 24.
AMBER'S STILL ON CLO BANK SIDEWALK AWARD, WHEREAS OF AMBERG ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAVE PREPARED BID DOCUMENTS FOR THE AMAZON CLOVER BANK ROAD, SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS AND CROSSWALK INSTALLATIONS.
AND WHEREAS A PUBLIC BID OPENING WAS HELD ON WEDNESDAY JUNE 12TH, 2020 4:11 AM AND WHEREAS THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE BIDDER FOR THIS PROJECT IS MATT COLO EXCAVATING LLC.
HAVING SUBMITTED A BASE BID, THE AMOUNT OF $630,842 AND NO CENTS BE RESOLVED.
IF THE TOWN SUPERVISORS ARE AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH MATT COLO EXCAVATING LC AND ISSUE THE NOTICE OF AWARD AND NOTICE TO PROCEED FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT H 1 13 14 40 0 4, 45 0 6, AND H 1 14 44 44 0 3.
I THINK WE DID WE SKIP ONE ALSO SKIPPED MANY TIMES 25.
NO, WE JUST DID 24, I'M SORRY.
NUMBER 25 TALKING MCKINLEY ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICES, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED $750,000 IN ERIE COUNTY ARPA FUNDS FROM ERIE COUNTY LEGISLATOR JOHN GILMORE TO IMPROVE THE INTERSECTION AT CLARK STREET AND MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN RECEIVED A PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING DESIGN SERVICES FROM WATTS ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS TO PROVIDE BID WRITING CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
AND WHEREAS FEES FOR SURVEY DESIGN BIDDING CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION INSPECTION SERVICES UNDER THIS PROPOSAL ARE NOT TO EXCEED $136,200 AND NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED.
THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES SUPERVISOR TO SIGN THE 2024 PROPOSAL NUMBER 24 DASH 3 9 4 INTERSECTION, RUBEN PROJECT, CLARK STREET, MCKINLEY PARKWAY, BETWEEN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND WATTS ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT H 1 0 6 14 44, 44 0 3, ERIE COUNTY, CLARK AND MCKINLEY HARPER PROJECT.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, UM, I WATTS, UH, ARCHITECT IS A, IS A VERY GOOD COMPANY, WORKED WITH HIM IN THE PAST, SO WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNTY AND I BELIEVE IT'S A MINORITY OWNED, UH, UH, COMPANY.
WHEREAS TOWN OF HAMBURG ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAVE PREPARED BID DOCUMENTS FOR THE OSBORNE PARK PAVING PROJECT AND WHEREAS A PUBLIC BID OPENING WAS HELD ON JULY 3RD, 2024 AT 11:00 AM AND WHEREAS AT THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER FOR THIS PROJECT IS NORTHEAST DIVERSIFICATION INCORPORATED, HAVING SUBMITTED A BID IN THE AMOUNT OF $32,385 AND NO CENTS BE RESOLVED, THE TOWN SUPERVISOR WAS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE CONTEXTUAL AGREEMENT WITH NORTHEAST DIVERSIFICATION INCORPORATED AND ISSUED A NOTICE OF AWARD AND NOTICE TO PROCEED FUNDS AVAILABLE IN ACCOUNT H 1 0 9 11 44 40.
OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED A UM, PLEASANT WOOD SUBDIVISION HYDRANT APPROVAL WHEREAS ALTHOUGH THE DEVELOPER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF INSTALLATION OF THE FIRE HYDRANT, IT'S NECESSARY THAT THE TOWN AGREES SUCH INSTALLATION OF THE TOWN IS CHARGED FOR MAINTENANCE OF HIGHER FIRE HYDRANTS UNDER THEIR DIRECT SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.
AND WHERE IS THE SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED IN THE TOWN.
FIRE HYDRANT DISTRICT AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE PAYING ASSOCIATED CHARGES TO DISTRICT AS PART OF THEIR ANNUAL TOWN AND COUNTY TAX BILL, THEREFORE BE RESOLVED BY, BY THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AS FOLLOWS, THE TOWN BOARD CONSIDERS INSULATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE ADDITIONAL THREE HYDRANTS, EXCUSE ME, TO SERVE THE PLEASANT WOOD SUBDIVISION, WILL BENEFICIAL TO THE HEALTH SAFETY OF RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND THEREFORE BE, BE THEREFORE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
THE DEVELOPMENT SUBDIVISION WILL RESULT INCREASE IN REVENUE.
SO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, INCLUDING REVENUE FOR FIRE PROTECTION AND SUCH COSTS TO THE TOWN FOR THE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS WILL BE OFFSET BY ADDITIONAL REVENUES GENERATED BY SUBDIVISION.
THE TOWN BOARD AGREES THAT THE COST OF HYDRANTS MAINTENANCE FEES FOR ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL FIRE HYDRANTS BEING INSTALLED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION SHALL BE PAID BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG THROUGH REVENUES GENERATED BY THE TOWN HYDRANT DISTRICT.
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RESOLUTION SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TWO CERTIFIED COPIES OF THE RESOLUTION ARE PROVIDED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHO ARE TRANSMITTAL TO THE ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.WHEREAS THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT HAS TWO VEHICLES THAT SHOULD BE REPLACED AND OR UPDATED AND THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THAT A 2009 CHEVY EXPRESS AND A 2008 FORD EXPLORER HEREBY DECLARED TO BE SOLD VIA AUCTION AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE PROCEEDS FROM THE AUCTION OF SURPLUS VEHICLES WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO A 6 2 7 6, I'M SORRY, 6 7 7 2 0.412 AND A 1 6 4.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THE TERMINATION AND HIRING OF THE FOLLOWING EMPLOYEES IN BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD DIRECTS THE SUPERVISOR TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT WITH A J GALLAGHER FOR INSURANCE CONSULTATION SERVICES.
UPON THE APPROVAL OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY, THE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR INSURANCE SLASH RISK CONSULTANT FEE IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,700 IN ACCOUNT CS 1 7 1 0 4 1 5.
THE BALANCE OF THEIR FEE IS INCLUDED IN THE PREMIUMS PAID FOR THE TOWN'S INSURANCE PROGRAM.
RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE AN UNPAID INTERNSHIP IN THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT FOR HILBERT COLLEGE STUDENT CONNOR KLEIN.
MR. KLEIN SERVED IN THE US AIR FORCE AND IS CURRENTLY ATTENDING HILBERT COLLEGE, MAJORING IN CYBERSECURITY.
THE UNPAID INTERNSHIP WILL START ON JULY 16TH, 2024 AND CONNOR WILL COMPLETE 120 HOURS TO FULFILL HIS COLLEGE REQUIREMENTS.
THIS INTERNSHIP IS SUBJECT TO ALL PRE CONDITIONS, INCLUDING A POLICE DEPARTMENT BACKGROUND CHECK AND COMPLETION OF SPECIFIC TRAINING ON APPLICABLE TOWN POLICIES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE TOWN'S CODE OF ETHICS, CONFIDENTIALITY, INTERNET USAGE, SEXUAL HARASSMENT, WORKPLACE VIOLENCE, AND SOCIAL MEDIA.
THANK YOU FOR SERVICE AND I'M SURE USED AS GI BILL FOR THAT EDUCATION.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WAS AWARDED A CFA GRANT FROM NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF STATE FOR ZONING UPDATES IN THE TOWN AND THE RPP FOR CONSULTANT SERVICES HAS BEEN ISSUED.
AND WHEREAS THE PROCESS REQUIRES ESTABLISHING AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE DI DURATION OF THE PROJECT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED.
THE MEMBER TOWN BOARD IDENTIFIES THE FOLLOWING AS MEMBERS OF BUFFALO BILL'S NFL STADIUM, ECONOMIC IMPACT AREA AND TOWN AMBRIDGE ZONING GRANT COMMITTEE DEALS WITH
AS PER PREVIOUS RESOLUTION, EECG CONSULTANT WILL ADMINISTER THE GRANT PROCESS.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BOARD ON MAY 20TH, 2024 APPROVED $50,000.
ACTUALLY, I THINK THIS ONE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO YOU, MR. BOSKY, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW THE LIAISON ALTERNATIVE.
UM, 33 FUND TRANSFER HEMRICK PRESERVATION COMMISSION, WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMRICK BOARD ON MAY 20TH, 2024, APPROVED $50,000 TO THE HAMRICK PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A FORMAL SURVEY OF HISTORIC AREAS IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
WHEREAS 30,000 HAS BEEN ALLOCATED TO THE 2024 BUDGET TOWARD THE SURVEY.
UH, IT IS HERE BY RESOLVE THAT THE REMAINING $20,000 SHALL BE TRANSFERRED FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO COVER THE BALANCE.
AND I WOULD, UH, MOVE TO AMEND THAT.
UH, IIV THE PERSON OR COUNCIL PERSON TO, UH, IT SAYS FAR LORENZ THAT THE, UH, RESOLUTION BE AMENDED TO SAY, UH, COUNCIL, THANK, I THINK YOU CAN JUST MOVE IT WITHOUT THE AMENDMENT.
OPPOSED? AB OBJECTIONS CARRIED.
DIRECTOR OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS POSITION.
IT IS HEREBY RESOLVE THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WILL ABOLISH THE POSITION OF DIRECTOR OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS EFFECTIVE JULY 31ST, 2024, THE DUTIES OF THE DIRECTOR OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT.
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THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT SHALL RECEIVE A STIPEND OF $6,000 FOR SUPERVISING THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT.I HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION AND THEY CENTER HER IN THREE DIFFERENT AREAS.
NUMBER ONE, I BELIEVE IT'S BAD PRACTICE.
NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE IT'S FINANCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.
AND NUMBER THREE, I BELIEVE IT WILL HAMPER OUR EFFORTS TO BRING EFFICIENCY TO THE TOWN OF HAMPER.
THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED TO REMOVE A DEPARTMENT HEAD WITHOUT CAUSE UNLESS THIS BOARD IS READY TO SHARE OR TALK ABOUT OR EVEN ADMIT THAT THERE IS CAUSE FOR REMOVAL OF A DIRECTOR OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT IT APPEARS TO BE RETALIATORY BECAUSE MR. RIVERA WOULD NOT CARRY OUT THE LEGAL DIRECTIVE, UH, TO SUBVERT CIVIL SERVICE LAW.
IN REGARDS TO THE SPECIAL LABOR POSITION.
FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, MR. RIVERA'S WORK HAS BEEN STELLAR.
IN HIS FIRST YEAR ON THE JOB, HE REDUCED OVERTIME SPENDING BY $90,000.
HE REDUCED THE OVERALL DEPARTMENT SPENDING BY $151,000.
HE HAS BROUGHT THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT RESOURCES TO CAPITAL PROJECTS.
THESE INCLUDE PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU CAN SEE IN OSBORNE PARK AT ROUND THREE SEVEN PICKLEBALL COURTS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
HE OPENED OUR BOAT LAUNCH BY MAY 1ST.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN RECENT MEMORY, HIS STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE NIKE BASE PROJECT AND THEY'VE HAVE TO HELPED US TO DECONSTRUCT THE, THE DASHBOARDS AT TOWN HALL.
WE'VE SEEN NEW COATS OF PAINT OFFICE RENOVATIONS AND A FIBER LANE PROJECT.
THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT PREVIOUSLY WOULD ONLY BE ENTERTAINED BY THE DEPARTMENT IF THEY WERE COMPLETELY DONE ON OVERTIME.
MR. RIVERA HAS BEEN ABLE TO BRING TOGETHER THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN HIS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THESE DONE IN THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY AND A MANNER IN WHICH OUR EMPLOYEES CAN BE PROUD OF.
THIS IS A BIG LOSS IF THIS RESOLUTION GOES THROUGH.
THIS IS A SAD DAY FOR THE RIVERA FAMILY.
THIS IS A SAD DAY FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, AND THIS IS A SAD DAY FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I ASK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE TOWN BOARD TO VOTE AGAINST THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE THIS IS NOT HOW WE DO THINGS IN HAMBURG.
WELL, LET'S START FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, THERE WAS A, A, UH, PERSON WHO WAS THE, UH, GENERAL, UH, WORKING CREW CHIEF WHO RETIRED FROM THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
INSTEAD OF REPLACING THAT PERSON, YOU MUST HAVE DONE A NATIONAL SEARCH TO GET MR. REVERA FROM THE, FROM MIAMI TO COME IN HERE FOR A POSITION THAT'S A UNION POSITION, BUT NO, YOU PUT HIM IN, INTO A MANAGEMENT POSITION.
OKAY? THAT WENT THROUGH ARBITRATION, GRIEVANCE AND ARBITRATION AND PERB, THE PERB CASE CAME BACK AND SAYS, YOU HAVE TO CREATE THE WORKING CREW CHIEF.
OKAY? SO THEREFORE THERE IS NO NEED TO HAVE MR. REVERE THERE.
THIS IS A COST SAVING MEASURES.
OKAY? SO NOW WE PUT THE, THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS UNDER THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT WHERE IT WAS UNDER MR. JIM CONLEY, WHERE IT WAS UNDER MR. TOM BEST AND SO ON.
SO THEREFORE THERE'S ALSO AN MOU WITH THE, WITH THE UNION WHERE THEY COULD GO FROM ONE EITHER BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS TO THE HIGHWAY VOLUNTARILY, I BELIEVE.
BUT THEY'RE STILL THAT NEGOTIATION WHERE THINGS, SO I BELIEVE THIS IS A COST SAVING MEASURES AND IT WOULD BRING A LITTLE DIGNITY AND EQUITY BACK TO THE UNION BECAUSE OF, UH, THINGS THAT BEEN GONE ON BEFORE.
SO I DISAGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY MENTION OF, UH, WHAT, WHY WE MIGHT BE LETTING MR. RIVERA GO.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY IT'S A COST THAT THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS A FULL-TIME JOB.
I TELL YOU, THERE'S A $90,000 JOB, MR. BOGAL, WHICH IS NOW BEING MOVED OVER.
CAN I FINISH MY REMARKS? I THOUGHT YOU WORKED.
ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THAT THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT HAS HIS HANDS FULL BRUSH COLLECTION, SNOW REMOVAL PAVING.
THIS IS AN $8 MILLION PROJECT.
THIS JOB WAS CREATED DEPARTMENT.
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FINISHED.THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS PREVIOUSLY TRIED TO BRING PART-TIME MANAGEMENT TO THIS DEPARTMENT AND IT FAILED.
WE HAVE AGREED TO CREATE A WORKING CREW CHIEF POSITION, AND I'M HAPPY TO PROMOTE OUR EMPLOYEES TO THE TITLE OF WORKING CREW CHIEF, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE PRODUCTIVITY THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM OUR EMPLOYEES.
HOWEVER, WE NEED MANAGEMENT IN THIS DEPARTMENT.
WE NEED A MANAGEMENT CONFIDENTIAL POSITION IN THIS DEPARTMENT.
AND FRANKLY, MR. HUGHES DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL DEPARTMENT, AN $8 MILLION DEPARTMENT AT A TIME WHEN WE NEED HIS 100% ATTENTION FOCUSED ON PAVING AND CLEARING THE STREETS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I DON'T SEE HOW IT CAN BE DONE.
WELL, WHEN YOU HAVE THE MOU TO GO AHEAD AND BRING PEOPLE IN FROM BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS INTO THE HIGHWAY WHERE MR. HUGHES NEEDED ABOUT SIX EMPLOYEES, THE DO HIS JOB CORRECTLY AND YOU BASH HIM ON THE NEWS SAYING, LOOK AT THE JOB HE'S DOING WITH THE SNOW REMOVAL, WHEN HE DIDN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO WHAT HE HAD TO DO.
THEY REQUIRE US TO TEACH, TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT.
I'M TEACHING YOU WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE MR. HO, YOU RAISING YOUR VOICE SAYING EARLIER.
NO, I HAVE LISTEN MR. HOKE, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT IN, LISTEN, I'M RECOGNIZING MATEO.
YOU ARE NOT A DICTATOR EVERY TIME YOU DON'T.
YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER WHAT THAT THREE YEARS AGO BEFORE YOUR GENERAL RUNS BOARD.
WHEN I CAME INTO THE TOWN AS TRAFFIC SAFETY AND ADVISORY BOARD, UM, THE BUT BUILDING CHIEF ROUNDS DEPARTMENT WAS IN DISARRAY.
UM, THE PRIOR, UH, INDIVIDUAL WHO WORKED THERE HELD A POSITION, UH, WAS FOUND NOT TO BE CONDUCIVE TO DOING THE JOB IN, IN THE PROPER WAY, FOLLOWING UNION RULES AND, AND BIDDING IN WHATEVER SENIORITY.
MR. RIVERA CAME IN, HE STRAIGHTENED IT.
BILL IZZY GROUNDS DEPARTMENTAL.
I WORKED WITH THOSE PEOPLE ALMOST DAILY.
UH, THE COOPERATION WE RECEIVED FROM THEM WAS TREMENDOUS.
I THINK YOU'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO MR. HUGHES DUMPING THIS KIND OF WORK ON 'EM FOR $6,000.
I DON'T THINK HE CAN DO IT, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE CAN PICK UP THE SLACK FOR WHAT NATE RIVERA'S DONE FOR THIS TOWN IN THE, THE THREE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED.
MS. DI MATE, I WOULD ASK, UH, CAN WE GET A MICROPHONE SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN HEAR RIGHT UP? MA'AM, IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE AND MATEO, UH, UH, RESIDENT.
I'VE BEEN ON THE RECREATION DIRECTOR BOARD FOR MANY YEARS.
MR.
IN MANY EVENT, THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING SO MUCH BETTER AS FAR AS PREPARING FIELDS AND HAVING, UH, THE PARKS IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE SINCE THE, THE PREVIOUS DAYS WHEN IT WAS UNDER, UH, THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT AND THERE WAS CONFLICT THAT THINGS DIDN'T GET DONE, SPOKE BEFORE ABOUT OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND HOW GREAT OUR PARK PLAYGROUNDS ARE, THAT SHOULD BE ATTRIBUTING TO THE WAY THIS IS RUNNING RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY REASON WHY WE'RE GONNA PUT IT BACK WHERE IT WAS, WHERE IT WAS NOT WORKING.
PARTS ARE IN GREAT SHAPE AND I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU VOTING THIS.
AS I WAS INTERRUPTED EARLIER, THIS IS A COST SAVINGS MEASURE.
I SPOKE WITH THE, UH, HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT AT ONE POINT.
UM, I WAS THE, THE CSCA REP YEARS AGO WHEN THE SUPERINTENDENT, UH, HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT WAS COMMONLY HISTORICALLY, THESE JOBS WERE PERFORMED BY THE HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT, PROGRESSIVE HUMAN RESOURCE POLICIES.
WE JUST, WE, WE, UM, WE SHOULD TRY TO BE PROGRESSIVE IS THEY HAVE BROADBANDING AND STRUCTURES UNITY OF COMMAND.
THIS POSITION HAS CREATED, UM, I WOULD SAY DIVISIVENESS, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE OWE A FISCAL DUTY TO THE TAXPAYERS AND WE'RE GOING TO SAVE PROBABLY ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BY DOING THIS WHEN YOU FACTOR IN BENEFITS AND OTHER
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THINGS.OKAY? ALSO, THIS PERSON WAS NEVER GIVEN, UH, DOESN'T HAVE A TEST LIKE THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT CAME HERE.
YOU GET YOUR JOB IN CIVIL SERVICE BASED ON TWO THINGS, MERIT AND FITNESS IN THIS CASE, UH, THIS WAS A NEPOTISM HIRE, THE SAME WAY THAT YOUR WIFE WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT USED TO WORK FOR THIS TOWN.
THE SAME WAY THAT WHEN I SAW YOU WALKING AROUND DOWNTOWN, UM, WITH YOUR SON WHO WORKS FOR THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS.
THE SAME WAY THAT YOUR SISTER WORKS FOR, UM, THE, THE COUNTY IS THAT THIS WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE POLITICALLY AS A NEPOTISM HIRE.
SO FROM, SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, SAVING US A LOT OF MONEY, CREATING A LOT OF EFFICIENCY, AND I'M READY TO VOTE.
I FEEL I OWE IT TO MR. RIVERA TO CLARIFY THAT HE IS IN NO WAY RELATED TO ANYONE POLITICALLY CONNECTED TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TO ANY POLITICIAN IN ERIE COUNTY.
I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING HE DOESN'T HAVE IN COMMON WITH YOU THEN.
HI, I'M OBJECT, UM, ON AIRWOOD DRIVE HAMBURG.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T BE CIVIL WITH EACH OTHER EVERY TIME I COME HERE FOR A MEETING.
MR. ROBOWSKI, YOU ARE SO MEAN.
LIKE WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE CIVIL? LIKE, DO WE HAVE TO BE LIKE CONGRESS, LIKE MARGARINE, AOR GREEN GOES OFF THE RAILS? I MEAN THIS, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SAY IT BECAUSE I MEAN, AS AN ADULT, WE LEARN TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER AND WORK WITH PEOPLE WE DON'T AGREE WITH AND DON'T LIKE, BUT WE'RE STILL RESPECTFUL OF 'EM.
AND EVERY TIME I COME HERE YOU ARE, YOU'RE LIKE YELLING AND SCREAMING AND TALKING ABOUT HOCKEY ALL THE TIME.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW FOR, I'M JUST SAYING, COULD WE JUST PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL AND NOT MAKE REMARKS AT CITIZENS THAT ARE MAKING COMMENTS? I MEAN, THEY'RE PAYING YOUR SALARY.
YOU PAY YOUR SALARY, BE RESPECTFUL.
I MEAN, YOUR COLLEAGUES ARE ALL RESPECTFUL.
I DON'T AGREE WITH ALL OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE RESPECTFUL.
UH, ME POINTING OUT THE NEPOTISM HERE IS, IS EVERYONE VOTE NEPOTIST? HE'S FROM MIAMI.
WE'RE PREPARED TO, I'M PREPARED TO VOTE.
MS. MATEO HAS FURTHER COMMENT.
THE SOLUTION POSITION, I'M HEARING AN ARGUMENT ABOUT, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL.
THE, THE, THE POSITION FOR THIS DEPARTMENT THAT HAS BEEN WORKING SO WELL.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING THAT HE'S NOT PERFORMING THE JOB WELL OR THAT THE JOB IS NOT NEEDED BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS, THAT'S WHY IT WAS CREATED.
AND IT IS WORKING SO MUCH BETTER THIS WAY.
AND IT'S NOT, NOT INSIDE THE HOCKEY RANGE, BUT OUTSIDE OF IT AND PREPARING THE FIELDS AND THE PARKS.
THE POSITION WAS FORMALLY A UNION POSITION.
THEY WENT THROUGH ARBITRATION GRIEVANCES IN, IN THE PERB CASE.
AND, AND NEW YORK STATE PERB SAYS WE HAVE TO BRING BACK THE WORKING CREW CHIEF.
SO NOW BRINGING THAT BACK POSITION THAT MR. RIVERA TOOK, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THAT POSITION.
WE'RE PUTTING UNDER BUILDINGS AND GROUND THE ON BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS UNDER THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT AS IT WAS FOR MR. CONLEY.
MR. BEST, DO YOU NEED TO CLARIFY THAT? THAT WAS NOT PER DECISION.
THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT THE TOWN AND CSEA AGREED TO UNDER, UNDER PER SO, AND THE AGREEMENT WAS TO CREATE AND PHIL, A WORKING CREW CHIEF, WHICH WE INTEND TO DO VERY SOON.
THE AGREEMENT WAS ALSO TO MOVE MR. RIVERA TO A MANAGEMENT CONFIDENTIAL TITLE, WHICH WOULD SOLVE ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT MR. COZA BRINGS TO THE TABLE.
VOUCHING THE POSITION DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL.
AND I THINK DISCUSSING AN INDIVIDUAL, AN EMPLOYEE MATTERS, LIKE IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.
HE SHOULD NOT BE NAME CALLING, CALLING THAT PARTICIPANT COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.
AND AS FAR AS WHAT THE PURPOSE IS, THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE, THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS THIS DEPARTMENT ISN'T NEEDED.
IS IT WORKING WELL? AND THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY YES, I'M PREPARED TO VOTE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? MR. MCCUEN? ONCE MORE.
DID YOU SAY THEN THAT BY ELIMINATING THIS POSITION, THAT VIOLATING THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU CAME TO WITH PERB AND WITH THE, UH, WITH THE E-C-S-E-A AT THE TIME? NO, IT'S NOT.
I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S IN CONTRADICTION TO THE AGREEMENT.
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I WOULD, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT SITUATION, IT MAY BE VIOLATION, BUT IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY IN CONTRADICTION.BUT THE BOARD IS THE BOARD AND THE BOARD CAN MAKE, MAKE WHATEVER DECISION THEY WANT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR MANAGEMENT CONFIDENTIAL EMPLOYEES.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS CURRENTLY WE'RE MAKING A THIRD CREW CHIEF BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT WE CAME TO WITH THE CSEA THAT'S BEING POSTED, THERE'LL BE A THIRD CREW CHIEF APPOINTED TO BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS.
SO IT MUST BE ON THE RIGHT PATH.
WE, THERE'S NOTHING SAYING WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE MR. RIVERA'S POSITION.
THE AGREEMENT SAYS THAT WE WILL PUT HIM INTO, IN, IN A DIFFERENT APPROPRIATE MANAGEMENT CONFIDENTIAL TITLE.
SO ARE THERE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT ARE MANAGEMENT CONFIDENTIAL? ALL OF THEM.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS RESOLUTION IS AN INCREASED, UH, COOPERATION BETWEEN THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT AND THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS, BECAUSE THEY WOULD ALL BE UNDER MR. HUGHES'S AUTHORITY.
SO THAT, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, IS THAT THERE WILL BE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS EMPLOYEES THAT CAN THEN ASSIST HIGHWAY IN COMPLETING THEIR PROJECTS AND COMPLETING TASKS.
THERE'S AN MOU IN PLACE AND IT'S BEEN IN PLACE, UM, BEFORE I WAS HERE THAT THEY COULD WORK CROSS STATE LINES.
SO HOW IS GIVING MR. HUGHES THIS ADDITIONAL 6,000 IN ADDITION, ASKING HIM TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THIS 40 HOUR A WEEK POSITION? THERE'S ALREADY DEPUTIES IN PLACE IN, IN THE, IN THE, UH, WORKING CREW CHIEFS.
SO I'M SURE HE WOULD ASSIGN HIS DEPUTIES TO OVERSEE CERTAIN AREAS.
I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR MR. HUGHES.
BUT MR. HUGHES, I, I FIND TO BE A VERY GOOD MANAGER AND EVERYTHING AND, AND, UH, I HAVE NO CONCERNS OF MR. HUGHES'S MANAGEMENT OF HIS DEPARTMENT.
I THINK HE'S GONNA HAVE, SO THE $90,000, YOU KNOW, PLUS BENEFITS THAT'S GOING THERE, WE'RE JUST PAYING MR. HUGHES AN EXTRA 6,000.
I'M MORE CONCERNED AT WHEN WE'RE OUTLINING ALL THE STRENGTHS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE IMPROVED WITH BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS AND THAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO WORK MORE COHESIVELY WITH HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
I'M NOT SURE GIVING MR. HUGHES MORE WORK IS GOING TO MAKE THAT EASIER FOR ANYONE TO DO.
AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CSEA HAS HAD A, AS OF LATE, A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. RIVERA.
THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND THEY HAVE KIND OF STARTED TO GET INTO A, A RHYTHM WHERE THEY CAN WORK COHES COOPERATIVELY TOGETHER.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS IF WE'RE PUTTING IN A THIRD WORKING CREW CHIEF, WE'RE BRINGING, WE'RE BRINGING BACK THE WORKING CREW SHEET, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE LOST IT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT PART.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE BRINGING IN THE THIRD WORKING CREW CHIEF, SO WE'RE GETTING BACK TO THAT SYSTEM OF ORGANIZATION, BUT THAT AT THE SAME BREATH, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE MR. VERA, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE FISCAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT AND THE BENEFITS OF THAT.
WELL, I DON'T LIKE TO USE HIS NAME THERE, BUT SINCE THE SUPERVISOR STARTED
SO, BUT WHAT I'M THINKING IS, FROM A MANAGERIAL POSITION, YOU HAVE, LIKE FROM A MANAGER'S PERSPECTIVE ON THIS WHOLE SITUATION, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY NEW COMING INTO A ROLE WHO IS PROBABLY FANTASTIC.
THE WORKING CREW CHIEF, WHOEVER WE POINT, IS PROBABLY GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB.
I HAVE NO QUALMS THAT WE HAVE PHENOMENAL EMPLOYEES IN THE TOWN, BUT AT THE SAME BREATH, WE'RE MOVING SOMEBODY OUT AND MOVING THAT LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY TO MR. HUGHES.
I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER IF WE BRING IN THAT THIRD WORKING CREW CHIEF, GIVE THEM A MINUTE TO CATCH THEIR BREATH, GET THEMSELVES INTO THE RHYTHM BEFORE WE TAKE MR. RIVERA OUT AND PLACE THAT, THAT LEVEL OF WORK ON MR. SO WHERE CREW CHIEF WORKED FOR THIS TOWN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, I'M SURE HIS BREATH WOULD BE CAUGHT UP REAL QUICK.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M SAYING IT'S THREE WEEKS.
WHAT THE, WHAT THE WORKING CREW CHIEF CANNOT, WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO DO IS TO MANAGE THE OVERTIME BUDGET.
AND I WILL GO BACK TO THAT $90,000 REDUCTION IN OVERTIME SPENDING, REDUCE THE OVERALL DEPARTMENT SPENDING BY $151,000.
IF IT WASN'T FOR THE WORK THAT MR. RIVERA BROUGHT TO THIS DEPARTMENT, WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DELIVER A 0% TAX INCREASE IN 2024.
IF I, IF I MAY, MS. LOREN HAS BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY, IF I MAY, MR. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MR. LOREN.
YOU'RE THE ONE, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO KEEPS MENTIONING THE PERSON'S NAME.
MY RESOLUTION FOR THE RECORD DOES NOT MENTION THE NAME.
MR. HOKE KEEPS MENTIONING THE NAME FOR THE RECORD.
MR. SO NO, MR. LORENZ, MR. HUGHES, UM, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK, DO YOU, UM, HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS RESOLUTION OR YOUR ABILITY TO MANAGE BOTH DEPARTMENTS AND DO YOU SEE ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN WITH YOUR ABILITY TO
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HAVE THAT COLLABORATION, UM, AND OVERSIGHT OVER BOTH DEPARTMENTS? I WILL HANDLE IT.I MAKE SURE I PUT THE DOWN FIRST AND ANYTHING I, THE TOWN WILL COME FIRST.
MR. HUGHES, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UH, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS FULL AND YOU DO A GREAT JOB MAKING SURE THAT OUR ROADS ARE PAVED AND THAT OUR ROADS ARE CLEARED.
THIS IS ADDING $8 MILLION OF RESPONSIBILITY.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU PUT WELL OVER 40 HOURS, WELL OVER 50 AND SOME WEEKS, AS MANY AS 70 AND 80 HOURS A WEEK.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, HOW DO YOU PLAN ON TAKING OVER THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF AN $8 MILLION DEPARTMENT? PROBABLY THE SAME WAY MR. CONLEY DIDN'T
MY QUESTION WAS FOR MR. HUGHES.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE, THE SYSTEM IN PLACE.
I OVERSEE 'EM, I HAVE MY DEPUTIES, THEY'LL RUN DAY TO DAY.
I WILL OVERSEE THEM AND I'LL HANDLE LIKE I DO WITH HIGHWAY.
MR. HUGHES, WILL YOU, BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST WITH HIGHWAY, AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS VERY OPEN.
WHENEVER I PICK UP THE PHONE, I HAVE A QUESTION I CALL YOU AND YOU'RE ALWAYS, UM, VERY AVAILABLE TO THE BOARD.
UM, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS A TRANSITION TIME, THAT YOU WILL KEEP THE BOARD INFORMED AND UPDATED LY REGULARLY ON HOW THIS TRANSITION, IF, IF THE TRANSITION TAKES PLACE, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS, YOU WOULD BE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE BOARD AND YOU WOULD ADVISE US OF ANY SITUATIONS THAT WERE NOT WORKING WELL OR ANY SUPPORT THAT YOU NEEDED OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED OR DISCUSSED? ABSOLUTELY.
SO IF THERE WERE ANY ISSUES THAT AROSE THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC, YOU WOULD BE DISCUSSING THAT WITH THE BOARD AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR, UH, A RESOLUTION.
SO THERE'S NO, I SAID BEFORE I PUT THE TOWN FIRST AND EVERYTHING I DO, SO THERE'S NO TOWN RESIDENTS, TOWN COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CONCERNED BY THIS ACTION.
I'LL KEEP THE BOARD EVERY, EVERY MEETING OR EVEN EVERY WEEK I CAN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE RESOLUTION AND THAT IS THE $6,000 STIPEND.
UM, WE CURRENTLY AWARD $7,500 STIPENDS TO, TO THE, THE DEPUTIES THAT, THAT MR. HUGHES HAD MENTIONED.
SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW WAS THE $6,000 STIPEND ARRIVED AT AND WHAT ARE THE $7,500 STIPENDS FOR, FOR THE DEPUTIES THAT MR. HUGHES MENTIONED? DEPUTIES ALREADY GETTING THEIR STIPENDS, I BELIEVE, AND FOR, FOR THE, FOR BEING DEPUTIES.
I, IT WAS THERE BEFORE I TOOK OFF.
SO ED, WILL YOU CONTINUE TO
YOU'LL CONTINUE TO USE THE DEPUTIES CAPACITY.
YOU'LL ASSIGN THEM AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL WORK OUT THE SYSTEM.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE GONNA WORK OUT THE SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT SERVICES CONTINUE IN THE LEVEL OF, UH, SERVICE PROGRAMMING, ET CETERA.
MY MY CONCERN ABOUT YOUR SYSTEM, MR. HUGHES, IS THAT YOUR OVERTIME BUDGET, UNLIKE THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS OVERTIME BUDGET HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY AND SIGNIFICANTLY WELL OVER.
NOW, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE UNEXPECTED SITUATIONS THAT ARRIVE WHEN IT COMES TO SNOW, BUT COULD YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THE SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE FOR MONITORING OVERTIME? ABSOLUTELY.
THERE'S TWO SEPARATE SYSTEMS. BG COULD PLAN THEIR OVERTIME.
I HAVE TO REACT TO THE WEATHER, ANYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE.
SO IT, TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE I HAVE, I HAVE TO HAVE THE OVERTIME TO DO IT.
SO, SO, SO WHAT SYSTEM WILL YOU, WHAT APPROACH WILL YOU USE IN BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS TO MONITOR OVERTIME? WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEM TOUCH WITH, UH, UH, PEOPLE RIGHT NOW TO, FROM LAST YEAR, 2023, 2024 BY FEBRUARY 14TH.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE 149 HOURS OVER, BUT OVERTIME FROM, FROM LAST YEAR ALREADY IN WHAT DEPARTMENT? BG, THAT I HAD A MEETING TODAY WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS MR. RIVERA.
AND THAT INFORMATION IS 100% INCORRECT.
IT CAME RIGHT FROM RIGHT FROM THERE, RIGHT, RIGHT.
FROM WHO AS I WENT DOWN THERE TODAY TO FIND OUT, WELL, THAT INFORMATION IS VERY MUCH DIFFERENT THAN INFORMATION OF OUR PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT AND OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S HOW SURE I IF YOU COULD COPY ME ON THAT AS WELL.
I'M VERY SURE IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.
MR. HUGHES, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH THE PROPER SECOND ON.
DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT THIRD WORKING CO-CHIEF IS? THE POSITION'S GONNA BE BY JULY 17TH.
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SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.A OPPOSED, WHICH I WANTED TABLED.
I WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL AUGUST TO SEE HOW THE THIRD WORKING CHECK SHEET.
MR. HUGHES, I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THOSE EMAILS FROM YOU BECAUSE I, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS GRANTED THE RELUCTANCE OF THIS BOARD TO SUPPORT YOU WITH THE EXTRA STAFF YOU'VE NEEDED IN THE PAST.
AND SO IF YOU DO FIND THAT YOU NEED THE SUPPORT, PLEASE REACH OUT BECAUSE YOU NOW HAVE THEIR ASSURANCES THAT THEY'RE THERE TO HELP YOU.
THE INDIVIDUAL HAS FO PATRICK SNYDER, SIDNEY, EMILY.
SEE YOU FURTHER SAYING AYE AYE.
WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS ON ONE OF THE MOST COMMON, LEAST VISIBLE FORMS OF VIOLENCE THAT MAY AFFECT MANY AREAS OF LIFE FOR HIS PRIMARY AND SECONDARY VICTIMS. AND WHEREAS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TAKES MANY FORMS INCLUDING SEXUAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL, PHYSICAL, ECONOMIC, AND WHEREAS VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE DESERVE PROTECTION SERVICES AND RESOURCES.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECOGNIZES THE NEED FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERVICES IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG IS DECIDED TO ENTER A NEW AGREEMENT WITH CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES OF ERIE COUNTY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERVICES TO THE TOWN.
AND WHEREAS CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES SHALL PROVIDE A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ADVOCATE FOR A 12 MONTH PERIOD FOR UP TO 15 HOURS PER WEEK TO PROVIDE SERVICES AS DESCRIBED IN THE AGREEMENT FOR DELIVERY OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERVICES.
AND WHEREAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR ALL SERVICES PROVIDED UNDER THE AGREEMENT SHALL NOT EXCEED $37,702 AND 79 CENTS.
THEREFORE BE RESOLVED, THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AUTHORIZE A SUPERVISOR ENTER THE DETACHED AGREEMENT FOR DELIVERY OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERVICES WITH SHELTON FAMILY SERVICES OF ERIE COUNTY FUNDS AVAILABLE A POINT 32 25 0.0102.
AND WE HAD SOMEBODY COME IN HERE AND GIVE A PRESENTATION OF A, OF THIS EXACT THING.
UM, WAS THE COUNTY GONNA COME IN AND GIVE A PRESENTATION OR ANY OF THIS BEFORE I DO IT? OR WE JUST GOING THIS, THIS IS THE SAME, THIS IS THE SAME PEOPLE.
I THOUGHT THE OTHER ONE WAS HERITAGE HOUSE OR SOMETHING.
THIS IS THE SAME ORGANIZATION.
BUT ON, ON THE QUESTION, I'M, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE, THAT THIS IS, UM, I GUESS THE FINAL STEP IN SIGNING THIS CONTRACT BECAUSE THE BOARD, UM, BACK IN, I BELIEVE FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH, HAD A RESOLUTION THAT AUTHORIZED THIS TO TAKE PLACE BECAUSE WE AT THE TIME AND WE CONTINUE TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SERVICES.
SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THIS CONTRACT IS NOW GETTING SIGNED.
IT BRINGS US TO THE TOM BOARD AUDIT OF CASH DISBURSEMENTS.
THERE IS ALL THE, THE TIME THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED.
THE TOWN BOARD AUDITED CASH DISBURSEMENTS DATED JULY 8TH, 2024.
TOTAL CASH DISBURSEMENTS SUBMITTED FOR AUDIT.
ALL IN FAVOR? A OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIED ALL OF THE TO BOARD APPROVE THE TOM BOARD OFFER THE CASH DISBURSEMENTS ARPA DATED JULY 8TH, 2024.
TOTAL ARPA CASH DISBURSEMENTS SUBMITTED FOR AUDIT.
THIS BRINGS US TO, UH, PUBLIC EXPRESSION.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT HAS COME TO BE HEARD BY THE BOARD? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE TO REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS.
WE WILL START WITH, UH, PLANNING.
UH, WE HAVE TWO PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS THIS MONTH.
UH, THIS ONE IS DAY JULY 10TH AND THEN JULY 24TH.
UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THAT MEETING PROJECT, UM, IT'S COMING ON JULY 24TH.
WE ALWAYS INVITE, INVITED TO COME OUT TO OUR PLAY EMERGENCY.
SO THAT'S JULY 10TH AND JULY 24TH BY TWO 20
ENGINEERING BUILDING,
WE ACTUALLY GOT, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PASSPORT PROGRAM GOING ON IN JULY SINCE IT'S, UH, PARK OF RECREATION MONTH, WHERE IF YOU COME TO OUR EVENT FOR DIFFERENT SITES AND YOU SCAN OUR QR CODE, YOU CAN WIN, UH, DIFFERENT PRIZES.
AND THE MAIN PRIZE IS A VIP EXPERIENCE AT OUR MOVIES UTOPIA, UM, WHERE YOU'LL BE SEATED IN A SPECIAL FOX SEAT, UM, AND RECEIVE SOME OTHER FAVORS.
SO WE'RE GONNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET OUT AND ABOUT THAT.
ANYONE WANTS MORE INFORMATION? UM, PLEASE EITHER SEE OUR, UH, FACEBOOK PAGE OR GIVE US A CALL.
FINANCE, MR. SHE REPORTER, HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, MR. HUGHES.
UH, WE STARTED ITS OWN TOOL IN THE BROUGHT THIS WEEK.
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TEL, UH, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 20, UH, JULY 22ND, JULY 22ND, AND JULY 46TH.WE'RE STARTING TO MILL, UM, THE BEDFORD SUBDIVISION.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE A BIG PROJECT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, THE FREE STUFF, THE BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY GET INTO THE MILL.
UM, MY GUYS HAVE BEEN IN THERE, THEY'VE RIPPED OUT AND REPLACED 42 STORM SEWERS IN THERE.
UM, AND ALL, AND ALL THE KIRBY AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THERE.
AND JULY 49TH THROUGH AUGUST 2ND, WE'LL BE IN THERE PAVING.
UM, THERE'S 12, THERE'S 12 TOTAL STREETS IN THERE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS IN, IN THE, THE BEDFORD SUBDIVISION.
SO THAT, THAT WILL BE COMING AT THE END OF JULY.
AND IN THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST.
AND THEN AFTER, THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, WE HAVE, UM, EIGHT OTHER STREETS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MILLED AND PAID IN THE TOWN.
UM, I REMEMBER MONDAY AND THURSDAYS ELECTRONICS DROP OFF.
UM, AND WE STILL HAVE WOOD CHIPS TO BE GIVEN AWAY, UM, AT OUR SHOP, IF YOU ANYBODY TO TOP WANTS THREE FREE WOOD CHIPS, UM, AND ACTUALLY GRIND.
SO GROUND UP, IT LOOKS LIKE A MULCH, SO YOU'RE FREE.
UH, TWO WEEKS AGO, WE, UH, STARTED THE PAPER, UH, UPGRADE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT AND RAN INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE, UH, THE PIPE THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE, UH, BECAME COMPROMISED.
AND, UM, WITH THE HELP OF THE HIGHWAY AND THE BNG DEPARTMENT, WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE EMERGENCY DECISIONS TO PUT NEW PIPING INTO THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK OF THE TOWN HALL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNICATION FOR THE POLICE AND DISPATCH DEPARTMENT, UH, RAN SMOOTHLY, WAS BACK UP TO OPERATION EFFORTS.
I JUST HAVE A REQUEST FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR TOTAL PENDING LITIGATION NOTES.
CLERK, NO REPORT REPORTS FROM THE BOARD.
MR. BOSKY HAPPY THAT THE VOTE WENT THE WAY IT DID RELATIVE TO THE BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS A POSITION WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THE TOWN OVER $100,000 IN TAXPAYER MONEY.
UM, I KNOW A, A PATTERN WHERE SOME OF MR. HO'S ALLIES WILL COME TO MEETINGS.
UM, MR. HOKE WILL OFTEN SAY HE HAS SERIOUS CONCERNS AND DEPENDING ON THE, UM, PROJECT
BUT I'VE KIND OF SEEN A PATTERN, THE SAME FACES OVER AND OVER, WHICH I DO WELCOME YOU TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS, BUT WE, WE'VE SEEN YOU HERE BEFORE AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOYAL TO MR. HOPE AND THAT'S YOUR RIGHT TO DO SO AND WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT AGAIN.
BUT WE, WE KNOW, UH, WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT.
AS FAR AS, UM, COST SAVINGS, WE CERTAINLY, WE MOST CERTAINLY, UH, ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, UH, AND I WILL BE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE FOR BUDGET PROCESS, MORE COST SAVINGS FOR THE TOWN.
UM, WE DO NOT WANNA RAISE TAXES LIKE AMHERST, UH, AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
AND WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE THAT I'VE BEEN, AS I, WHEN I GOT ELECTED, I'VE BEEN INVEST INVESTIGATING THIS, THAT HOLD POSITIONS IN THIS TOWN THAT DON'T HAVE THE REQUISITE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE JOBS.
AND THEY ARE PROBABLY HOLDING THOSE JOBS IN VIOLATION OF NEW YORK STATE CIVIL SERVICE LAW.
THERE'S A GROSS MISUSE OF THE CLASSIFICATION OF MANAGERIAL, CONFIDENTIAL, UH, EMPLOYEES IN THIS TOWN.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW AS A FORMER, UM, AS AN ATTORNEY AND AS A A FORMER, UH, UNION, UH, OFFICIAL, UH, IS THAT THE ONLY POSITIONS THAT SHOULD BE MANAGERIAL CONFIDENTIAL ARE THOSE THAT ARE A POLICYMAKING OR B, THOSE THAT PERTAIN TO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING NEGOTIATIONS.
SO WHEN MR. HOKE SPOKE UP EARLIER AND SAID, WE HAVE A NEED FOR A MANAGEMENT CONFIDENTIAL POSITION, THAT TO ME MEANS MORE NEPOTISM.
AND WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE, I SAID I WOULD OPPOSE NEPOTISM.
UH, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE.
UM, WHEN, WHEN, UM, I'M CRITICIZED FOR CALLING OUT THE TRUTH.
THE HULK FAMILY HAS MANY PEOPLE THAT WORK IN GOVERNMENT AND THERE'S BEEN MISUSE OF THOSE POSITIONS IN THIS TOWN.
SO MY PLEDGE, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA KEEP MY PROMISE, AND TODAY WAS AN EXAMPLE OF IT.
WE GOT RID OF A POSITION AND SAVED OVER $100,000 FOR THE TOWN, AND WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER POSITIONS, BUDGET TIME, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATELY CLASSIFIED.
AND I WOULD CHALLENGE THE UNION TO REACH OUT TO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO BEGIN THE PROCESS
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OF FIGURING OUT WHICH POSITION SHOULD BE APPROPRIATELY PLACED IN THE UNION, WHICH ARE MANAGERIAL, CONFIDENTIAL.THAT SHOULD NOT BE, BECAUSE THAT IS A MECHANISM THAT PEOPLE LIKE SUPERVISOR HOPE DO TO TRY TO GET AROUND MERIT AND FITNESS AND THEN COME UP WITH LIES AND SAY, OH, WE'RE, WE SAVED MONEY WHEN SUPERINTENDENT HUGHES SAID, NO, WE, WE DID SAVE MONEY.
SO THE POINT IS, IS YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WILL, THE NUMBERS WILL BE WHAT THEY WILL BE, BUT COME FORWARD WITH BUDGET TIME.
I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND I'M TALKING TO ALL OF YOU HERE, IS COME UP WITH COST SAVINGS FOR THE TAXPAYERS.
WE ARE HERE TO SERVE THE TAXPAYERS AND PROVIDE THE MOST EFFICIENT SERVICES POSSIBLE FOR OUR CITIZENS AT A REASONABLE COST.
AND THIS IS NOT A PRIVATE KOOL-AID STAND TO GET YOUR FRIENDS JOBS.
SO I RAN AGAINST THAT AND I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO, UH, ENSURE THAT WE ARE FISCALLY PRUDENT, MR. COEN.
I JUST HOPE EVERYONE HAD A HAPPY 4TH OF JULY AND I SEE EVERYONE'S GOT THEIR FINGERS.
SO
AND IT WAS GREAT TO SEE EVERYONE THERE FOR THAT.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED VERY HARD, UH, THUS FAR.
UM, MANY PEOPLE, UH, THE CARES FAMILY REALLY GOT THIS GOING AND THEY HAVE BEEN AN IMPRESSIVE EXAMPLE OF, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THEY KEPT SOMETHING IN THE FOREFRONT AND KEPT IT MOVING FORWARD.
WE'VE HAD TRADE SUPPORT FROM, UM, OUR, OUR GRANT WRITER AND OTHERS WHO HELPED SECURE THE FUNDING.
UM, KEN
SO THAT WAS A A A TERRIFIC MOMENT.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE, THE RIBBON CUTTING WHEN, WHEN THE PROJECT IS FINISHED.
UM, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, RECENTLY THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURGS CELEBRATED THEIR SESQUICENTENNIAL AND IT WILL BE OUR PLEASURE, THE, UH, TOWN BOARD AT THE NEXT MEETING IN AUGUST TO PRESENT THEM WITH A PROCLAMATION.
WE WERE WANTING TO DO THAT THIS EVENING, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING TO WRAP UP, UM, ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS FROM THE SCO CENTENNIAL.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD, UM, AUGUST 5TH TO BEING ABLE TO, UM, UH, CELEBRATE AND SALUTE THEM ON THEIR 150 YEARS.
SO GLAD YOU BE, YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE GRAND OPENING OR THE, SOMETHING ABOUT THE SKATE PARK THAT WAS AWESOME.
I WASN'T ABLE TO BE THERE YESTERDAY.
I WAS OUT WITH MY FAMILY CELEBRATING MY TEENAGERS, UH, CHAMPIONSHIP SOFTBALL GAMES.
SO IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT YOU WERE THERE AND YOU WERE ABLE TO CELEBRATE WITH THEM.
THAT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE THOUGH OF HOW COMMUNITY ACTIVISM CAN CHANGE AND HOW IT CAN REALLY BEING INVOLVED AND BEING IN FRONT OF YOUR LAWMAKERS EVERY SINGLE WEEK, EVERY TIME YOU GET A CH EXCUSE ME, CAN'T CHANGE THE OUTCOME AND CAN CHANGE THE NARRATIVE ON A COMMUNITY.
SO I APPLAUD THE FAMILY THAT PUT TOGETHER THE SKATE PARK AND THOSE THAT CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEM.
AND I APPLAUD THE RESIDENTS THAT CONTINUE TO COME TO US ABOUT ISSUES LIKE SIDEWALKS, EXCUSE ME, SIDEWALKS AND THE NIKE BASE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS WITHIN IN THE TOWN.
BECAUSE WHILE SKATING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S HEART, AND IT DOES IMPACT PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO IT WAS NICE TO SEE A POSITIVE OUTCOME FROM ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS.
THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD ASK THAT THE RESIDENTS, NOW THAT THE CELEBRATION IN 4TH OF JULY IS OVER, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT WHILE FIREWORKS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND FUN TO LOOK AT, IT IS A STRUGGLE FOR MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY TO DEAL WITH THE SUDDEN AND ABRUPT LOUD ACTIVITY THAT FIREWORKS BRING OR THE SUDDEN AND ABRUPT LIGHTS THAT IT'S VERY TRIGGERING FOR THOSE WITH PTSD.
AND THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR VETERANS WHO HAVE SERVED US IN WAYS THAT WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PROPERLY THANK THEM.
AND SO I ASK THE RESIDENTS TO PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
AND WE ALL HAD OUR FUN IN THE 4TH OF JULY, SO NOW IT'S TIME TO TEMPER THAT EXCITEMENT.
UM, AND THEN ON A DIFFERENT NOTE, IT'S STILL A CELEBRATORY OPPORTUNITY.
THE ERIE COUNTY FAIR IS COMING UP.
SO RIGHT BEFORE OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING, WE'LL START TO SEE THAT.
DON'T SAY THAT WE BOOKED THE FAIR BIG SUMMER'S OVER, I KNOW, BUT THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC OF THE FAIR IS GOING TO BE PICKING UP, IT'LL BE PICKING UP THE FAIR STARTS AUGUST 7TH, WHICH IS RIGHT AFTER OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING.
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BE SEEING, UM, THE VENDORS COMING IN IN PREPARATION FOR THE FAIR AND THE TRAFFIC INCREASING ON SOUTH PARK AND OVER BY QUIMBY.SO PLEASE BE MINDFUL AS WE'RE GETTING TO THE END OF JULY AND BEGINNING OF AUGUST THAT OUR TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE GONNA CHANGE.
GIVE YOURSELF A FEW MORE MINUTES.
DON'T BE IN A RUSH BECAUSE THE KIDS ARE STILL OUT OF SCHOOL AND ON THEIR BICYCLES RIDING HERE, THERE AND EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
AND SO JUST TAKE A BREATH AND REALIZE, WHILE IT'S FUN AND EXCITING TO BE AT THE FAIR, THERE'S NO NEED TO RUSH AS WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO GO DURING FAIR SEASON.
SO THAT'S ALL I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT THAT.
UH, TODAY I STARTED MY BUDGET MEETINGS WITH, WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS.
UH, WE STARTED WITH COURTS, BUILDINGS, AND GROUNDS AND PERSONNEL.
UH, THE, UH, THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN, IN ALL THOSE THREE DEPARTMENTS, UH, ARE, UM, OVERALL UNDER BUDGET.
UM, AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT TREND, UH, STAYS, STAYS THROUGH THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE PROCESS.
UM, THOSE MEETINGS WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE PLACE THIS WEEK AND NEXT.
UM, AND, UH, AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION, UH, FROM OUR REVENUES AND EXPENSES, UH, I WILL THEN MEET AGAIN WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, IN PREPARATION OF PUTTING TOGETHER THE SUPERVISOR'S BUDGET OR THE TENTATIVE BUDGET.
SO I WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE COMMUNITY AS THAT PROCESS UNFOLDS.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST REPORT FROM, UH, GEOTAB.
GEOTAB HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN A NUMBER OF OUR FLEET VEHICLES AND, UH, WE GOT SOME VERY GOOD NEWS.
BY AND LARGE, OUR EMPLOYEES WHO ARE DRIVING VEHICLES AND THERE'S ALMOST 40 VEHICLES THAT HAVE GEOTAB ARE ENGAGING IN VERY SAFE DRIVER BEHAVIOR, GREAT COMPLIANCE WITH SEAT BELTS, UH, VERY LOW INCIDENTS OF HARD BRAKING OR FAST ACCELERATION.
THIS IS INFORMATION THAT WE WILL BE SHARING WITH, UH, OUR INSURANCE CONSULTANTS, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO FURTHER REDUCE OUR INSURANCE COSTS.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT, UH, BURGER FEST IS COMING UP ON JULY 20TH, SATURDAY JULY 20TH.
THERE'S GONNA BE A FEW CHANGES THIS YEAR, BUT THEY SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE A GREAT LINEUP OF MUSIC, UH, ENTERTAINMENT, CAR SHOW, AND ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'VE GROWN TO KNOW AND LOVE ABOUT BURGER FEST IN THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG.
ALSO, WE HAVE BLAST ON THE BEACH COMING UP JULY 27TH.
I KNOW LAURA HAHN HAS, HAS FLYERS, UM, AND WE, THAT'LL BE A ANOTHER OCCASION FOR, FOR FIREWORKS, UH, WHICH WE KNOW ARE ENJOYED BY THE COMMUNITY.
UH, GAMES ON THE BEACH, UH, MUSIC ALL HITCH, NO AIRS, ALLEY CAT, UH, JOE AND SCHMOS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A GREAT COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE LOXLEY PARK, UH, TAXPAYERS, THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, OUR YOUTH ROCK AND SENIOR SERVICES DEPARTMENT, AND OUR BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO MAKE SURE YOU GET THAT ON, ON THE CALENDAR.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER.
AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I'M VERY PROUD OF MY RECORD AS TOWN SUPERVISOR AND I HAVE, UH, I HAVE NOT MADE A SINGLE NEPOTISM OR PATRONAGE HIRE IN MY TIME HERE AS SUPERVISOR, AND I'M PROUD OF THAT.
I KNOW THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE CASE WITH PREVIOUS TOWN BOARDS, EVEN WITH TOWN BOARDS OF PEOPLE THAT I KNEW THAT WERE VERY CLOSE TO ME.
BUT I HAVE MADE IT MY MISSION TO NOT ENGAGE IN THAT.
I COME FROM A LONG LINE OF PUBLIC SERVANTS.
I KNOW AND LOVE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN GOVERNMENT AND I'M PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO.
AND I'M PROUD OF THE WORK THAT I'VE DONE.
I COME FROM A LONG LINE OF BARTENDERS TOO, AND I'M JUST AS PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THOSE FOLKS HAVE DONE AND THE IMPACT THAT WE'VE HAD AS A FAMILY IN THE COMMUNITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND AN APOLOGY TO THE PEOPLE OF HAMBURG FOR WHAT THEY WITNESSED HERE TONIGHT.
WE CAN DO BETTER AND I'M GONNA DO MY PART TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THERE.
AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS, UM, WE HAVE, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4 MATTERS OF LITIGATION AS WELL AS A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIT ISSUE.