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SO AT SIX 30 IT'LL GET GOING ON ALCHEMY SESSION.HILBERT LIKE THE ENGINEER IS STUCK IN TRAFFIC.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SKIP THEM FOR RIGHT NOW.
LET, LET'S GO IN THE RIGHT ORDER THEN.
SO START WORK WITH THE WORK SESSION.
FIRST ITEM IS GILBERT COLLEGE REQUESTING SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION FOR A NEW ATHLETIC FIELD TO BE LOCATED AT 5 2 0 0 SOUTH PARK AVENUE.
SO BILL, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST WANNA, UM, STATE THAT I, FOR THE RECORD THAT I SERVED ON THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR HILBERT COLLEGE.
UM, I LEFT THE BOARD BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 22.
I WAS ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME THAT THEY DISCUSSED THIS.
THERE'S, I HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST, ALTHOUGH I HAVE, UM, DONATED MONEY TO THE COLLEGE FOR A SCHOLARSHIP FUND AND FOR OTHER, BUT NOTHING FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT I JUST WANT, AND I HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO YOU WANNA TELL US WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BERT? YES.
UH, MY NAME IS NORM GARDNER WITH CPL, UH, ENGINEERING FIRM HERE IN BUFFALO.
UH, WE'RE REPRESENTING GILBERT COLLEGE WITH LATER
UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO FOR A UPGRADE TO THE COLLEGE.
THE COLLEGE HAS BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL UNDER TIM'S DIRECTION WITH EXPANDING THEIR ATHLETICS PROGRAM.
UH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT NOW THEY HAVE A FOOTBALL TEAM.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT WIN WOMEN'S SOCCER, MEN'S SOCCER, UH, MEN'S AND WOMEN'S LACROSSE ALSO.
AND THEN ADDING A, OR RUNNING, UH, BASICALLY A TRACK TEAM ALSO.
UM, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AN ATHLETIC FIELD ON THE CAMPUS.
THAT'S THE NORTH BEING UP TO THE, THE RIGHT, UH, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER BETWEEN ROSETTA AND AND SOS.
THERE IS AN EXISTING GRASS FIELD THERE THAT THEY USE FOR THEIR ATHLETICS.
UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT UPGRADING IT TO A SYNTHETIC TURF FIELD WITH A RUNNING TRACK AROUND IT.
UH, IN THE FIRST PHASE WOULD JUST BE THE TRACK AND THE ATHLETIC, UH, BASICALLY THE, THE TURF FIELD.
UH, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY BLEACHERS IN THE PHASE ONE.
THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY LIGHTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UNDER PHASE ONE, WE ARE PROPOSING A SMALL, UH, STORAGE BUILDING.
UH, WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY OF THE UTILITIES OTHER THAN ELECTRIC, UH, IN THIS SOUTHWEST MONITOR APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET STRICTLY TO STORE THEIR, THEIR MATS.
WHEN YOU START A RUNNING TRACK, UM, YOU'LL FIND OUT HOW MUCH ROOM YOU NEED TO STORE ALL THE MATS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR ALL THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES.
UH, THE AREA IS ALREADY DEVELOPED, AS I SAID, AS A GRASS FIELD.
WE ARE, HOWEVER, EXPANDING TO THE EAST A LITTLE BIT MORE TO, UH, PUT IN THE RUNNING TRACK.
UH, THE AREA'S KIND OF A SUCCESSIONAL WOODED AREA.
UH, IT'S KIND OF A SCRUBBY AREA.
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ANY SIGNIFICANT, UH, BESIDES TREES IN THAT AREA.WE IDENTIFIED EVERY TREE, SIX INCHES OR GREATER DIAMETER.
UM, AND THAT, THAT'S, THEY'RE ALL LOCATED ON OUR SURVEY.
UH, WE ALSO DID A WETLAND DELINEATION.
THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN UP HERE TO THE SOUTH, UH, WERE TWO AREAS THAT WE DID HAVE DELINEATED AS WETLANDS.
UH, WE WILL NOT BE, UH, ENCROACHING OR WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF ANY OF THOSE, UH, WETLANDS ON THE CAMPUS.
ALL THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, WILL BE RETAINED WITHIN THE TURF FIELD ITSELF.
WE'RE ACTUALLY PROBABLY GONNA DECREASE THE RATE OF RUNOFF OFF OF THE, THE AREA, UH, A COMPACTED GRASS FIELD.
THE RATE OF RUNOFF FROM STORM WATER IS ACTUALLY FASTER THAN IT IS FROM OUR TURF FIELD.
AND WE HAVE STORAGE UNDER THE TURF FIELD IN THE STONE SYSTEM THAT WE USE FOR THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE INCREASING THE, UH, OR DE, EXCUSE ME, DECREASING THE RATE OF RUNOFF ON THE CAMPUS.
ALL OF OUR DISCHARGE WILL BE AN EXISTING DITCH THAT RUNS JUST ON THE NORTH END OF THE FIELD.
UM, SO WE ALREADY HAVE DRAINAGE INSTALLED.
UM, NOTHING WILL CHANGE WITH THE THE WATERSHED.
UH, AND THEN ESSENTIALLY WE'LL ACTUALLY BE DECREASING THE RATED OFF OFF THE CAMPUS, UH, WITH THIS TURF FIELD.
UM, AS I SAID, THIS IS A PHASED APPROACH.
AT SOME POINT WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING SOME ADDITIONAL BLEACHERS, UH, POSSIBLY A SMALL POCKET PARKING LOT.
UM, THE DRAWING THAT YOU SEE HERE DOES SHOW WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT FOR THE PHASE TWO, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR.
PHASE ONE IS TO JUST GET THE ATHLETIC FACILITY BUILT AND THEN LET THE PROGRAM EXPAND AS IT, AS IT AS IT SHOULD.
WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE CERTAINLY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO WITH THE REAL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WOULD BE, UH, MYSELF, TIM CERTAINLY CAN ANSWER IT.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE STORMWATER RUNOFF TO ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER? SO I THINK YOU SAID THE STORMWATER IS GONNA BE COLLECTED WITHIN THE FIELD ITSELF, BUT THEN YOU ALSO SAID THAT IT'S BEING DIRECTED TO A A DITCH.
SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND IF IT'S BOTH AND THEN WHICH DIRECTION THE DITCH FLOWS.
UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE, WHEN WE DESIGN A TURF FIELD, WATER THAT FLOWS ONTO THE TURF FIELD ACTUALLY FLOWS STRAIGHT DOWN AT 20 INCHES PER HOUR.
AND THEN UNDERNEATH THAT TURF FIELD WE'RE PUTTING IN A PILE OF STONE.
IT IS BASICALLY A TWO FOOT SECTION OF PERMEABLE STONE.
THE WATER SITS IN THERE AND DOESN'T GET RELEASED.
EVENTUALLY IT DOES 'CAUSE WE HAVE UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE DON'T HAVE VERY GOOD PERMEABILITY HERE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE A LOT OF WATER INFILTRATED INTO THE BEDROCK BEDROCKS IN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FEET BELOW THIS FIELD.
UH, SO I MEAN WE'LL BE RETAINING THAT WATER ON THE SITE AND IT DOES NEED THE DISCHARGE.
'CAUSE IT, IT WON'T AND THERE IS A DITCH, AS I SAID ABOUT MIDWAY ACROSS THE CAMPUS.
UM, THERE IS A DITCH LYING CURRENTLY WHERE ALL THE CAMPUS DISCHARGE CURRENTLY DISCHARGED.
WE'LL BE TYING INTO THAT DITCH WITH JUST AN EIGHT INCH PIPE.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S AN OPEN DISCHARGE.
UM, WE WILL RETAIN THE WATER UNDER THE FIELD ITSELF AND THEN RELEASE IT AT A SLOW RATE.
WITH THE, UM, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL FOR THE TRACK? THAT'S A URETHANE SURFACE.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SANDWICH OF RUBBER THAT GIVES YOU THE CUSHION AND THEN A, A WEARING SURFACE THAT, UH, BASICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE RED MATERIAL THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN ON OTHER TRACKS, BUT IT IS A URETHANE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE.
AND THEN SO FROM LIKE RUN OFF FROM THAT MATERIAL WILL STILL ALSO BE WITHIN? YES.
THERE, THE RUNOFF FROM THAT MATERIAL WILL BE DIRECTED.
THERE IS A, WHAT WE CALL A SLOT DRAIN AROUND THE INSIDE PERIMETER OF THE ENTIRE TRACK.
WATER FLOWS INTO THAT AND THEN THAT SLOT DRAIN DRAINS IN UNDERNEATH OUR FIELD INTO THAT STONE ENVELOPE THAT WE CREATE UNDERNEATH THE TURF ITSELF.
SO ALL THE WATER WILL BE CONTAINED IN THAT STONE PILE UNDERNEATH THE TUR.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S BEING DONE FOR LIKE, A FILTRATION OF IT? JUST THINKING ABOUT LIKE WITH THAT BEING KIND OF LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE AN OIL-BASED RUBBERIZED.
I WAS GONNA ASK THE SAME THING ABOUT, UM, LIKE PLASTICS, LIKE YOU SAID IT'S A URETHANE.
LIKE WHAT ARE THESE MATERIALS? YEAH, BECAUSE THE TURF USUALLY OF PLASTIC AS WELL.
YEAH, THE SYNTHETIC TURF, IT'S A POLYURETHANE, IT'S A SAME CARPET.
IT'S 88,000 SQUARE FEET OF CAR.
AND THEN IT HAS A RUBBER INFILL INSIDE IT.
SAND RUBBER MIX INSIDE OF THAT.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE'VE CREATED A VERY LARGE SAND FILTER, UM, TO FILTER OUT POLLUTANTS THERE.
THE WATER GOES THAT STRAIGHT THROUGH INTO, THROUGH THE SAND IN, THROUGH OUR STONE BEFORE IT'S EVEN EVER DISCHARGED INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A BIG BIO RETENTION AREA.
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IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ORGANIC CONTENT OF THE BIO RETENTION WOULD, BUT IT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO FILTER AS A SAND FILTER.AND AN UNRELATED QUESTION, IF THERE WEREN'T ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT, I'M GONNA RESEARCH NOT THE BACK
WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU SOME TIME.
SO YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS NO ELECTRIC GOING OUT THERE TO THE SHED, BUT WILL THERE BE LIGHTING ON THE FIELD? THERE, THERE, I, I APOLOGIZE.
THERE WILL BE ELECTRIC TO THE SHED, BUT IT'S GONNA BE CONVENIENCE, POWER LIGHTS FOR THE SHED ITSELF.
THERE WON'T BE, UH, ANY OTHER SIGNIFICANT FUNCTION IN THAT BUILDING.
SO WHAT ABOUT ON THE FIELD? WILL YOU BE DOING NIGHT GAMES? IS THERE LIGHTING THAT'S GOING IN ON THE ATHLETIC PHASE TWO? THE COLLEGE HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN FIELD LIGHTING THAT WOULD LIGHT UP THE FIELD FOR AN ATHLETIC EVENT AT NIGHT.
BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT IN PHASE TWO.
SO AT THIS TIME THERE'S NO, NO LIGHTING.
IT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT.
SO JEN, WOULD THAT BE, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS ACTION.
IF, IF THEY WERE AT SOME POINT TO DO THAT, WE WOULD EVALUATE THAT SEPARATELY UNDER SEEKER.
IF THEY WANTED TO PUT LIKE LIGHTING IN OUT THERE, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY REQUIRE ANOTHER APPLICATION.
BUT IF IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROJECT, IT'S NOT A FOR CONSIDERATION EITHER.
I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION THEN.
IF THEY NEED A PERMIT OR ANYTHING TO PUT IN, LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO COME IN.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THEN THE NEIGHBORS, PARTICULARLY WITH THAT HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONE IN NEXT DOOR AND THERE'S GOES THE OTHER WAY.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE WOULD BE LIKE OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
AND I GUESS I'M WONDERING IF THAT, WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A FULL SITE PLAN OR IF THAT COULD BE LIKE A CONDITION IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL.
BECAUSE WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT IS TO END UP WITH REALLY TALL LIGHTING THAT NOBODY HAD LIKE THE REAL OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW.
I THINK YOU COULD ADD IT AS A CONDITION JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT QUALIFIES FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A WHOLE NEW APPLICATION JUST CORRELATING.
SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR, UH, CONDITION.
BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE CHILD PERMIT REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT OFF THE TOP OF MAT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO AS WELL.
'CAUSE IF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH NECESSARY PERMITTING, UH, REQUIREMENTS ANYWAY, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD KNOW WOULD BE GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND.
THE ONLY REASON THOSE ARE JUST TYPICALLY TALLER, BRIGHTER LIGHTS AT THAT, AT THAT HEIGHT.
AS I SAID, THIS IS A PHASE PROJECT.
PHASE ONE IS JUST TO THINK THE ATHLETIC FACILITY BUILT PHASE TWO WILL BE COMING IN.
UH, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN THAT'LL BE.
THAT WILL INCLUDE LIGHTS, BUT IT'LL ALSO INCLUDE PARKING.
IT WILL INCLUDE A, UH, SMALL PRESS BOX.
SO I BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BACK FOR WITH PARKING.
WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AT THAT TIME AND WE'D HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE LIGHTS AND WHEN IT'S GONNA BE.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THE LIGHTS AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING AND ALL WE'RE PROPOSING IT'S JUST A SMALL STORAGE SHIFT.
THAT'S NOT ADDITIONAL PARKING ON YOUR PLAN.
THAT'S THE PHASE TWO PLAN THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THAT'S THE PHASE TWO PLAN.
THAT, THAT'S SHOWING WHAT IF, IF WE HAD THE FUNDING AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'D BE LOOKING TO DO THAT.
BUT AT THE CURRENT MOMENT WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO BUILD THE TRACK AND THE ATHLETIC TURF.
WELL, CAN I LEAN BACK JUST ONE MORE QUESTION? SURE.
SO THE, YOU'VE GOT LIKE A URETHANE MATERIAL AND THEN THE CHIRP AND THEN IT'S ALL KIND OF BEING, I GUESS I FEEL LIKE I CUT YOU OFF.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL FILTRATION OTHER THAN THE STONE? RIGHT NOW WE MEET THE D'S STORM WATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS AND, AND YOUR MS FORM, WHICH WE ACTUALLY HELPED YOU WITH THAT COMPANY.
UM, WE MEET THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS AND AS I SAID, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA SLOW THE WATER DOWN CAMPUS.
I WAS THINKING MORE OF THE CONTAMINANTS IN THE WATER AS OPPOSED TO THE, THE VOLUME AND VELOCITY.
BUT ALSO I'M PRETTY SURE THE CARPET BILL PASSED LAST YEAR IN THE ASSEMBLY.
AND SO SINCE WE HAVE SEEKER, THAT TURF IS GONNA HAVE TO BE PFAS FREE.
THAT WE ARE, WELL WE'RE IN THE HIGH SCHOOL.
HIGH SCHOOL'S REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT BE PART OF IT AND MOST OF THE COMPANIES NOW REQUIRED ANYWAY BECAUSE THEIR BIGGEST MARKET IS IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND NOT NECESSARILY THE COLLEGES.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE HILBERT COLLEGE TO OR MEETING OUR NEXT MEETING JANUARY 17TH.
SECOND, WHAT DO WE WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT MEETING OR DO WE NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE DO THAT? DO WE HAVE A PHASE ONE PLAN? OH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, WE DO MEAN DO WE PHASE, DO WE HAVE A FULL, DO WE HAVE A SITE
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PLAN THAT'S, YEAH, WE HAVE A PHASE ONE SITE PLAN.THERE IS A SITE PLAN IN THERE.
THERE IS A PHASE ONE EXAMPLE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE THE PHASE.
THIS IS PHASE, THERE'S PHASE ONE AND TWO, PHASE ONE AND THERE'S TWO ARE BOTH IN THERE.
SO I DON'T HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT YEAH, WE HAVE IT IN THE FILE.
THEN LET'S, UH, UH, I WILL WITHDRAW MY PRIOR MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR HILBERT COLLEGE ON THE 17TH.
THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY CINDY.
A NEXT ITEM ON THE FOR THIS, DO YOU WANNA AUTHORIZE US TO DO THE COORDINATED REVIEW? YES.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ALCHEMY SHORES REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A MIXED USE CENTER TO BE LOCATED AT 3 7 8 0 HOOVER ROAD.
NOW THE TOWN SEEKER IS PART OF THE REZONING.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE DOWN THE ONLY SITE PLAN EVERYBODY HELLO THERE.
SO JUST SITE PLAN OR DO YOU HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS WELL? JUST A SITE PLAN.
UM, SO WE ARE 3 7 80 HOOVER ROAD.
WE ARE UH, 83 STALLS FOR, UH, OCCUPANCY OF 1 75.
UM, ON THE ENTIRE SITE WE HAVE A BOARDWALK HEADING TOWARD THE LAKE.
THAT'S ROUGHLY FOUR FOOT BY 40 FOOT LONG.
UM, AND IT'S A FLOATING BOARDWALK.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE DUMPSTERS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, IN THE BACK THERE TOWARDS THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE TOWARD, TOWARDS OUR RIGHT.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE? UM, OKAY.
SO I WANT TO KIND OF START OUT, 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS MM-HMM
UM, SO THE RESTRICTIONS THAT THE TOWN BOARD PUT ON THIS ARE A CONDITION OF THE REZONING.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD IS CANNOT MODIFY THEM.
SO THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE TABLE.
UM, ALSO CHANGES TO THE LAW AREN'T GONNA BE CONSIDERED, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN'T CHANGE THE LAW ANYWAY.
AND WE'RE JUST, WHAT OUR GOAL IS FOR THIS IS TO CREATE A, A LAYOUT THAT WORKS.
SO I WANTED TO START WITH THAT.
UM, MY QUESTIONS, SORRY, WHAT KIND OF YOU WANNA MOVE? 'CAUSE YOUR BOT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA.
UM, SO WHAT KIND OF BARRIER ARE YOU PROPOSING? BARRIERS ARE YOU PROPOSING BETWEEN THIS AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY? UH, WE WERE THINKING OF A BOARD ON BOARD, UH, FENCE.
AND WE WERE THINKING ABOUT GOING FOR A VARIANCE, UH, AS WELL FOR TO BE A 10 FOOT 12 FENCE TO SEPARATE, BASICALLY START, UH, MR. CLARK FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING TO ROUGHLY WHERE THE DEC WOULD ALLOW US, WHICH IS THERE'S LIKE A POPLAR TREE ON SITE, UM, TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR AND WOULD, WOULD MOST LIKELY END THERE AT THE HIGH WATERMARK.
AND YOU SAID FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, WHY NOT ALONG THE BUILDING? THERE'S, THERE'S NO OPENINGS ON THIS ENTIRE BUILDING.
LIKE THERE'S NO DOORS, THERE'S NO, COULD BE ANY WINDOWS ON THIS WHOLE SIDE AT ALL.
SO I WAS THINKING IF WE COULD JUST GO TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO YOU'RE GONNA MODIFY THE BUILDING SO THERE'S NO OPEN CORRECT.
THERE'S AN EXISTING DOOR THERE.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF THAT DOOR, MOVE THE EGRESS TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING HERE SO THAT WE RESS IN THE FRONT EGRESS HERE.
I'M SORRY, EGRESS REMOVAL OF THAT EXISTING DOOR ALSOT PART OF ON HAVE TO OH, IT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS.
WHAT ARE THEY GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THEIR LOCATIONS? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT TODAY, BUT THAT IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS TO, TO A, MAKE IT OKAY FOR THE LAKEFRONT AS WE KNOW IT'S CAN GET, YOU KNOW, PRETTY WILD OUT THERE.
SO WE'RE THINKING IF WE CAN MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN DO MAYBE SOME, UM, SOME POSTS HERE THAT HAVE HOOKS AND THEN HAVE SOME ROPE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF LOOKS MAYBE NAUTICAL THEMED.
AND THEN INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE PLANTERS KIND OF SOMETHING WE CAN MOVE IN CASE OF, YOU KNOW, SURGE OF WATER.
WE CAN PICK THEM UP, MOVE THEM BACK, PUT 'EM IN OUR STORAGE, PUT 'EM IN THE WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
VERY SIMPLE WITHOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, 300 POUND PLANTERS THERE.
WE'VE GOT SOME TIME TO HASH THAT OUT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT AND THE TRESPASSING SIGNS LIKE YOU WERE SPEAKING OF WOULD BE IN THE MIDDLE ON THE ROPES MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IN OFF THOSE.
AND THE SLA IS ALSO GONNA REQUIRE THOSE AS WELL.
SO THAT IS THE BIG QUESTION I HAD TO GET THIS STARTED.
UM, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE SINCE
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WE'VE HAD THIS.UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I, I NOTICED ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU'VE GOT A, A SPOT FOR, UH, FOOD TRUCKS.
WHEN ARE YOU GONNA HAVE THE FOOD TRUCKS THERE? I'M LOOKING THIS AS A VENUE CENTER, NOT AS A AS GONNA BE OVER EVERY DAY.
BUT WHAT'S THE DEAL THERE? UM, IT WILL BE OPEN.
I CAN, I CAN ANSWER THE ALCHEMY, THE OPERATIONS PART.
I CAN OPERA, ANSWER THE OPERATING QUESTIONS.
UM, GONNA BE THE OPERATOR OF THE EVENT SPACE.
UM, SO, SO CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME? YEAH, ANN MCINTOSH.
UM, CO-OWNER OF ALCHEMY SHORES AND CURRENT OWNER OF ALCHEMY BUFFALO, LLC.
UM, SO WE HAVE PLANNED TO HAVE WEDDINGS AT THIS EVENT SPACE AND DURING WEDDINGS, UM, WE HAVE HOSTED SEVEN AT OUR CURRENT WINE BAR.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS BROUGHT IN A FOOD TRUCK, ICE CREAM TRUCK, MAIN STREET ICE CREAM, A FOOD TRUCK.
SO BASICALLY THAT'S THE ONLY TIME YOU WOULD HAVE THERE IS WHEN YOU HAVE AN EVENT.
THEY LIKE TO HAVE THEIR PA INSTEAD OF PAST HORS D'OEUVRES.
THE NEW THING IS TO HAVE EVERYONE GO UP AND GRAB A TACO OR LATE NIGHT THEY LIKE TO HAVE ICE CREAM BEFORE THE KIDS HAVE TO BE DISMISSED FROM THE WEDDING MILKSHAKES AND THE ICE CREAM STAYS UNTIL THE END TOO.
BUT THERE'S ALL, UM, SO LLOYD'S AND MAIN STREET ICE CREAM ARE THE NUMBER ONE AND TWO, THE CHEESY CHICK.
THEY DO A LOT AT OUR SPACE TOO.
UM, BUT FOR EVENTS IT'S TO CUT COSTS FOR THE RIDING ROOM.
IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR WHEN YOU HAVE AN EVENT THERE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE PEOPLE ON THE BEACH AND THEY THEY BRING IN THE TRUCK LIKE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO.
JENNIFER, CAN YOU REFRESH OUR RECOLLECTION ON WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AND OPERATIONS? WE HAVE VERY LITTLE RULE WITH RESPECT TO OPERATIONS, BUT IF THERE'S AN AREA ON A PLAN THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IN RELATION TO WHAT IT WOULD BE USED FOR, YOU CAN CERTAINLY FIRE, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY CONTROL TO DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.
WE CHOSE THAT LOCATION JUST DUE TO WHERE WE THINK THE GATHERING WILL BE FOR THE COCKTAIL HOUR FROM WHEN THE WEDDING HAPPENS ON THE BEACH FOR THE HOUR OF PAST HOR D'OEUVRES, COCKTAIL HOUR AND THEN RECEPTION ACTUAL DINNER WOULD BE HAPPENING INSIDE THE SPACE.
SO I THEY DON'T COME FOR MORE THAN TWO HOURS AT A TIME.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR YOUR RETAIL SALES AND THE BEACH CHAIRS AND SO ON.
THE MOBILE WINE BAR, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? THE WHAT? WHICH CHAIRS AND STUFF? THE CHAIRS.
YOU GOT A THING THERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, SHARED RENTAL, UH, RETAIL SALES AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN EVENT IT'S NOT JUST THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND BUY STUFF.
WE WANT THE MOBILE OUTDOOR UNIT TO ONLY BE FOR WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS, BUT BEACH CHAIRS WILL BE OUT THERE.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER ON THE BEACH.
THE, THE THE 175 CHAIRS FOR A WEDDING.
YES, BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT 30, THE 30 CHAIRS WON'T BE BROUGHT IN AND OUT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA LEAVE MY CONCERN IF YOU LEAVE THEM OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S GONNA GO OUT AND SIT IN THEM.
NO, I WOULD BRING THEM IN EVERY DAY.
BUT THE 175 FOR AN EVENT WOULD CERTAINLY BE BROUGHT IN.
BUT NO, THEY WOULDN'T BE LEFT OUT THERE.
THEY'RE ALL BROUGHT IN ENOUGH.
SO THE RESOLUTION STATES IT'S, UH, INDOOR ALCOHOL USE.
SO DOES THE OUTSIDE WINE BAR FIT IN IN WITH THAT AS WELL AS THE SANDBAR? YEAH.
CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
WHEN THE, WHEN IT WAS PASSED AND THE TOWN BOARD MEETING, UM, THERE WAS A SPECIFIC LINE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT SAID NO OUTDOOR ALCOHOL.
UM, AND THIS IS NOT A BAR OF PUBLIC.
UM, THEY THAT THAT BE TAKEN OUT AND
SO, BUT THERE WAS NO CLARIFYING LANGUAGE INTO THE RESOLUTION.
THE BOTTOM LINE WOULD BE IF THIS WAS THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD BOARD FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
IF THAT WASN'T SUFFICIENT AND THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT WILL, IT'S ON A PUBLIC HEARING THAT FULLY CARRIED.
SO CAN I, WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS? SO WHEN, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, UM, AT THE OLD, UM, WATER BELLY INN AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH ALCOHOL SALES AND THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, WHAT ARE THE RE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW, BUT CAN WE LOOK AT WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS AND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE ON THE PROXIMITY? 'CAUSE I THINK THERE WAS LIKE A HUNDRED FOOT LIMIT.
IT WAS, IT, THERE WAS A SPECIFIED DISTANCE IN THE TOWN CODE THAT WHEN ONE WAS ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL USE, THAT YOU HAD A CERTAIN SETBACK.
SO FOR THIS ZONING, THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT ON THERE SPECIFICALLY
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FOR, NO.SO THIS IS, THIS IS IN OUR SITE PLAN NOT FOR THIS IS IN OUR ZONING CODE.
IT'S OUR, IT'S IN OUR TOWN CODE.
SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD JUST, WE JUST NEED TO CONFIRM WHAT'S IN THE OVERALL CODE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT APPLIES TO THE ZONE.
CAN'T ACCESS THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW.
BUT JEN, JEN WILL GET BACK TO US ON THERE.
I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO FACTOR IN, WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.
I JUST HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT TOO.
WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE CURRENT, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME? NICOLE CASTLE, UM, NER FOR ALCHEMY BUFFALO.
UM, WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING PERMIT FROM THE STATE AUTHORITY, NEW YORK STATE LIQUOR AUTHORITY THAT EXTENDS, UM, OPT ALL THE WAY OUTDOOR FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO IN TERMS OF, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS? YEAH.
SO PART OF THE, BUT PART OF THE TOWN CODE RESTRICTS IN FACILITIES IN CERTAIN ZONES HOW FAR YOU HAVE TO BE FROM A RESIDENTIAL ZONE IN ORDER TO SELL IT.
SO THAT WAS WHEN IT CAME UP ON THAT WATER.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF JEN CAN CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT THAT APPLIES HERE OR NOT.
AND IF, AND IF WE NEED TO CONSIDER IT, WHAT IS IT? MM-HMM
AND THE LIQUOR AUTHORITY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T OVERRULE OUR TOWN CODE.
NOW ARE YOU GETTING PERMITS ISSUED ON THE TEMPORARY LICENSES AS YOU WILL? NO.
IT'S THE FAULT FULL OR YOU FULL YEAH.
A FULL ONPREM COURSE AND IT'S ON PREMISE.
NOW OFF PREMISE MEANS YOU CAN'T TAKE IT OFF AND ENJOY IT.
BOTTLED COED SEALED CANNOT BE TAKEN OFF PREMISE.
YOU HANDED IT, FIND TO THEM WHAT YOUR PREMISE WAS, CORRECT.
IT'S NOT JUST BUILDING BY CORRECT.
THEY HAVE THIS EXACT, IT CAN NEVER BE TAKEN ON PREMISE.
UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INSULATION.
I KNOW THAT WAS A QUESTION TOO.
UM, I BROUGHT THIS, I CAN UH, SEND IT TO THEM.
THIS IS THE, UH, A ONE SHEET ABOUT, IT'S CALLED ROCK SALT.
IT'S A STONE WOOL INSTALLATION FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
WE PLAN TO PUT IT ON, UH, WITHIN THE WHOLE WALL WHERE WE'RE TAKING OUT THE DOOR AND ALL OF THE WINDOWS FOR SOUNDPROOFING.
UM, TO, IT SAYS IT'S A HIGH DENSITY, UNIQUE FIBER STRUCTURE THAT ABSORBS SOUND AND REDUCES NOISE TRAVELING FROM ONE ROOM TO ANOTHER.
UM, AND THE BEST QUALITY STONE WALL INSULATION FOR SOUNDPROOFING THAT WE COULD FIND TO DO A SOUND BARRIER FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AGAINST THE WALL TO THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS ALSO WELL EXPENSIVE.
AND PLUS ALSO THE, UH, INFILLS OF THE WINDOWS AS CLOSED THE DOOR.
SO IT WOULD BE A SOLID WALL THAT'S FULLY THAT'S CORRECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A BETTER PRODUCT OUT THERE.
I WHEN YOU INFILL THOSE DOORS AND WINDOWS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO NOTICE THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IT, IT'S LOOK LIKE IT'S ONE WALL.
UM, THE WINDOWS, WE WERE HOPING THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO INFILL THOSE.
LIKE SO THE DOOR, WELL LEAVE 'EM AS LIKE COSMETIC WINDOWS.
THE DOOR BEING FILLED WITH THE DOOR HAS GETTING TOO THIN SO YOU WON'T, OKAY.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE ASKED PEOPLE TO DO THAT SO IT'S NOT ERECT ASKED.
SO SO IS THAT SOMETHING THEN THAT YOU CAN UM, I THINK LIKE MAYBE DOLLAR GENERALS WHEN THEY DID IT, BUT THEY EITHER, EITHER TO PUT LIKE A SCREENING OVER THE WINDOW SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SHUTTERED ON THE SIDE OF THE SPACE OF THE NEIGHBORS AND OR SOME SORT OF BLACK, SOME SORT OF YEAH, YEAH.
WE DON'T WANT THEM LOOKING AT INSULATION.
BUT AS, AS FAR AS THE SOUND, IT'S CALLED SAFE IN SOUND ROCK SAW STONE WOOL INSULATION.
I, I FEEL THAT THIS WOULD BE, SO IS THAT IN THE, THE WINDOWS OR THAT, HOW DO YOU HAVE THAT REFLECTED? IT'S NOT ON THE SITE PLAN.
IT WILL NOT BE ON A SITE PLAN.
IT'LL BE ON A CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
SO, UM, WE'D WANT TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS PART OF THE APPLICATION AND REFERENCE THEM IN OUR, UH, RESOLUTION.
BECAUSE THAT WAY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CAN HAVE THEM AND KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONDITION.
DO YOU WANT FLOOR PLAN NOTED AS PART OF, OR
AND, AND ON THAT ELEVATION, MAYBE WE CAN IDENTIFY THE INSULATION AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE WINDOWS.
NO, BARRIER WAS A MAJOR ISSUE.
SO I, I FEEL THAT THE, SO DOES THIS UPDATED SITE PLAN MEET ALL THE REQUIRED SET SETBACKS, ZONING, SETBACKS, FRONT SIDE? NO, IT'S EXISTING.
IT'S ALL, WELL, I MEAN ANY OF THE NEW STRUCTURES.
SO THE PARKING LOT AND ALL THE OTHER ARE ALL OF THE NEW COMPONENTS.
NEW STUFF DOES DO ALL THE, NOT MEETS ALL THE EXISTING AREAS THAT WE NEVER APPROACHED BEYOND THAT.
BUT THEY'RE NOT EXISTING PARKING.
SO THAT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S AN EXISTING STONE, LARGE
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PRE, PRE PARKED AREA BEFORE WHICH HAS BEEN GRASSED OVER.THE ONLY AREA WE'RE EXTENDING IS FURTHER NORTH ON THE SITE PLAN
SO THE, SO I THINK THAT THAT IS ONE THAT I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND TOO.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU ALREADY MENTIONED WAS THE VARIANCE FOR POTENTIAL DEFENSE SITE.
SO IF WE NEED TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING BECAUSE THEY'LL NEED TO GO BEFORE WE CAN GO THAT WE IDENTIFY ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO GO IN FRONT OF THEM AT ONCE MM-HMM
SO THAT I GUESS GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION AND, AND JEN MAY NEED TO WEIGH IN ON THIS TOO, BE BECAUSE WE'RE RES STRIPING AND TAKING WHAT IS JUST AN UNDEVELOPED AREA AND FORMALLY TURNING IT INTO A PARKING LOT TO THE, TO THE NORTH IT'S INDUSTRIAL AND THE SETBACK WOULD BE ZERO FEET.
UM, IT'S TO THE SOUTH TO THE RESIDENT THAT WE'D HAVE TO WONDER IF IT'S, IF THE NEW PAVED PART YES, THE SETBACK.
IT ONLY GOES TO THE, TO THE FRONT BUILDING LINE AND RIGHT.
WELL, RIGHT, BUT THERE'S A SPECIFIC, SO I GUESS THAT'S SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF SPEED THAT IT HAS.
IT'S A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF BEAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S JUST WHAT WE WANTED.
SO GENERAL, WE'LL CHECK ON THAT BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE, WE WANNA REFER TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THEY DON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYTHING OUT OF EVERYTHING.
WE WANNA BE CLEAR UPFRONT AND KEEP THIS PROCESS.
WE, WE ALSO, I JUST WANNA, WE WENT TO THE PROPERTY TODAY AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE FENCE FENCE HEIGHT TODAY.
UM, WE THOUGHT THAT SOME SOUND WAS THE MOST NOISE AND SOUND WORTHY, MOST IMPORTANT CONCERN THAT THE 10 FOOT FENCE WE'RE GONNA BE GOING TO THE ZBA FOR WOULD BE, UM, THE MOST, PROBABLY THE MOST PRIVACY PROVIDE THE MOST PRIVACY FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO HENCE WHY WE'RE GOING FOR THE 10 FOOT.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE IN, IN THE MIXED USE IN THE, THE FRONT.
WHICH THERE'S A DIFFERENT NUMBER FROM THE SIDE.
I'M SEE LIKE THE FENCE IS ONLY GONNA GO BUILDING.
NOT PART OF THE FENCING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE NOTHING ELSE ON THE FRONT.
THIS WHOLE POINT IS ALREADY FENCED.
THIS IS ALL TREES THAT I, I'M THINK RATHER NOT TAKE ANY TREES OUT TO KEEP TO PUT A FENCE IN.
I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE TREES IN NATURE, YOU KNOW, JUST THOSE ARE EXISTING TREES.
I HAVE A, I HAVE A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS ULTIMATELY THINK TODAY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THE DIFFERENT, UM, HOW DO I WANNA PUT THIS? THE, THE MATERIALS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL STONE AND GRASS, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PAVE IT FOR A PARKING LOT.
AND THERE ALL THESE SORT OF OTHER ADDITIONS.
I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT IS THE COMPOSITION OF THE EARTH'S SURFACE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ON ALL OF THESE PIECES.
CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO ME LIKE WHAT IS PAVED, WHAT IS GRASS, WHAT IS STONE? WHAT IS CONCRETE? LIKE WALK ME THROUGH WHAT'S WHAT.
SO THE, THE ACTUAL PARKING LOT ITSELF WILL REMAIN STONE.
IT'S GONNA BE REGRADED MORE STONE TRUCKED ON SITE.
THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THE EXISTING BUILDING ITSELF WILL BE NEW CONCRETE ADDED TO EXISTING CONCRETE.
SO WE HAVE A NICE HANDICAPPED PATHWAY TO THE DOOR.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE HANDICAPPED, UH, PEOPLE TO TRAVERSE THROUGH COMPACTED STONE PARKING.
IT WOULDN'T BE ADA A THAT'S, YEAH.
IT WOULDN'T BE ADA A COMPATIBLE.
SO, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE, UH, STONE, UH, PARKING LOT RETRIED.
UH, THE FORM, THE PARKING STALLS ITSELF, THIS WOULD BE ALSO THE
AND WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE SITE? THE REST OF THE SITE WOULD JUST BE GRASS.
GRASS AND, AND ALL THOSE RECTANGLES.
THEN IT GOT SAND, SAND, SAND, SAND, SAND, SAND COAT.
AND SO THEN I ALSO HAD SOME SAND QUESTIONS WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPOSITION OF THINGS.
UM, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE SAND DUNE THAT'S KIND OF ADJOINING THE NA NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY THAT HAS ALL THOSE BEACH GRASSES ON IT.
WE'RE NOT TOUCHING IT THAT BE FROM THE BOARDWALK OVER HERE.
SO THE SAND DUNE IS GONNA STAY INTACT, WHICH IS WHY CINDY THE FENCE, BECAUSE THAT DUNE IS BUILT UP LIKE SIX FEET HIGH.
IT'S A PRETTY STEEP DROP ONTO THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH IT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I SAW THE CONDITION.
THE DC WOULD LET YOU TOUCH IT.
WELL AND I SAW THE CONDITION ON THE TOWN ONE, WHICH THEN LED ME TO UM, ANOTHER SAND QUESTION.
UM, AND SO IT SAYS LIKE NEW DUNE FILL OR NEW BEACH FILL.
WHERE ARE YOU DOING SAND FILL? RIGHT HERE.
USED TO BE, THIS USED TO BE THE OLD BOAT LAUNCH FOR THE, FOR THE MARINE THAT WAS HERE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE DROPS DOWN QUITE A BIT.
LIKE, QUITE A BIT LIKE, SO WE'RE GONNA SEE IF WE CAN TRY TO BRING IT UP LIKE MASSIVELY.
THIS IS A, THIS IS AN OLD RETAINING WALL UHHUH HERE.
SO WE COULD TRY TO MATCH THAT AND KIND OF KEEP IT ALL THE SAME ALL THE WAY BACK.
AND SO WHAT IS THE MATERIAL FOR THAT? IT'S ON THE LAST PERMIT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY RAISED A CONCERN FOR ME BECAUSE CONDITION TWO OF YOUR PERMIT SAYS THAT ALL NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS MUST BE TAKEN TO PRECLUDE CONTAMINATION, INCLUDING CONCRETE.
AND THEN NICOLE, THERE'S A PURCHASE ORDER TO YOU
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FOR CONCRETE SAND.SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
WE, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM WE PURCHASED NO SAND BILL.
UH, IT MAY NOT BE A PURCHASE ORDER.
SO A LETTER OF THE ORDER OF SOME KIND FROM WHAT IS CONCRETE GNET AND IT WHERE IT SAYS IT'S FROM GNET, UM, GRAN GRAN.
OH THAT WAS A THAT'S JUST A QUOTE.
IT SAYS DEAR COAL, WE'RE PROPOSING TO SUPPLY CONCRETE SAND FOR THE USE IN THE ABOVE LISTED PROJECT.
THAT WAS FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONCRETE SAND A GRADE OR A SPECIFICATION FOR THE SIZE OF SAND.
IT'S GOT A DOT CONTENT, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO COMPORT WITH A DEC LETTER THAT SAYS NO CONCRETE.
WE SPOKE WITH UH, STAND USE CONSTRUCTION.
WE SPOKE WITH THE DEC IN TERMS OF SIZE, GRADE, GRANULAR.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUESTED THAT THAT WORDING USE UPSTANDING FOLKS.
AND, AND AGAIN, NOTHING'S BEEN PURCHASED.
THAT WAS JUST TO GET A COST ESTIMATE FOR LOCAL C MAR WHATEVER THEY WANT US TO USE DEC.
WHATEVER WE GOTTA USE, WE GOTTA USE.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE IT LEVEL SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THAT HUGE DIP.
YOU'RE ALLOWED TO AMOUNT SAY THAT SUPPOSED TO BE THE, I UNDERSTAND SAND USED IN CONCRETE SAND MADE OF ANY BURNETT HAD TO COME OUT TO THE, THE SPACE TAKE SAMPLES AND COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT WHAT'S YEAH.
IN THE, IMAGINE THE CHEMISTRY GREEN SIZE.
SO I DON'T, OKAY, SO THE DUNE IS EXISTING.
AND THEN, SO THEN ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT PRESUMABLY PLANTERS WHICH MAY NOW BE ROPES THAT YOU CAN MOVE HERE.
UM, ON THE DUNE PORTION THAT KIND OF BUTTS UP TO THE FRONT LAWN.
WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THAT BOUNDARY? THE SAME, WOULD IT BE LIKE THE ROPES OR NOTHING? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TOUCH THE DUNE.
THERE'S A BIG LAR THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
WHERE IS THE BIG, IT'S IT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF SEPARATING ITSELF.
BUT SHE'S GOT SOME STUFF HERE TOO.
SO I'D RATHER JUST KEEP OUR STUFF KIND OF FROM THE BOARDWALK OVER SO WE DON'T JUST, YOU KNOW.
THAT, THAT'S KIND OF PRIVATE FOR HER.
BECAUSE THEN JUST NOBODY'S EVEN LIKE ATTRACTED TO GOING NEAR THE DUNE AT ALL.
WE'LL MAINTAIN IT, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN A LITTLE BIT, KEEP IT BRUSHED BACK.
BUT THE ROPES KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE ROPES WILL KEEP PEOPLE OFF THEIR PROPERTY.
THE RAKING LIKE THOSE OFF THE PROPERTY AND THE DUNE IS LIKE HIGH UP AND OVER, BUT THE BUT THE WALLS KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE DUNE.
LIKE SO THE ROPES WILL BE IN FROM THE PROPERTY TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE DUNE.
WELL I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY ROPES ON THE DUNE.
HE SAID THERE'S NOTHING DONE RIGHT.
NOTHING RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE UP IN.
SO THE PEOPLE WOULD'VE TO GO OVER THE ROPES AND GET ON THE DOUNE, GO OVER THE DOUNE TO GET TO THE OTHER PROPERTY.
BIG ROPES LIKE NAUTICAL, LIKE SHIPPING ROPES, LIKE BIG THICK, WHICH MAYBE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR ON THE BOARDWALK TO KEEP PEOPLE AND NO ONE'S GONNA WANNA WALK THROUGH THIS.
WELL YOU WHEN IT'S FULLY GROWN.
AND WE'RE GONNA FIX THAT HERE AS MARGO WE'RE TRYING TO, BUT THIS YEAR WHEN IT'S ALL BRUSHED, LIKE YOU'RE NOT GONNA WALK THROUGH IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JAPANESE NOW WEEDS.
THERE'S SOME LOVELY GRASSES BUT THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.
THE NOT WE IS NOT RIGHT ON PUTTING GRASS RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT BOARDWALK, LIKE BAMBOO, LIKE THICK THREE TO FIVE YEARS OF SPRINT TO GET TO THAT.
HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH THE DC ON THIS INVASIVE SPECIES? THEY HAVE GRANTS TO ERADICATE IT.
CAN I RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE BULK PARTNER AS I DID GET THE ZONING, THE FINAL ZONING PUT UP? MM-HMM
NO, I MANAGED TO GET IT OFF MY EMAIL.
SO, UM, LOT COVERAGE MAXIMUM 85%.
I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.
BUT IF YOU GUYS CAN JUST CONFIRM AND HAVE YOUR ENERGY AND PUT THE LOT COVERAGE ON THE DRAWING.
UM, SETBACKS ARE DEPENDENT ON THE ADJOINING USES.
THERE IS NO MINIMUM FRONT, FRONT YARD SETBACK AND NEW STRUCTURES SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ABUTTING THE FRONT WALKWAY OR AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
WITH THE EXCEPTION EXISTING STRUCTURES IN THE STYLE OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, REGARDLESS OF CURRENT USE SHALL HAVE AND MAINTAINED A FRONT YARD TO SETBACK FROM THE FRONT LOT.
SO THAT'S NOT APPLICABLE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT EXISTING.
AN ADDITIONAL FRONT SETBACK MAY BE ALLOWED WHEN AN AREA IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF THE PREDICTABLE BUILDING IS INTENDED FOR AN OUTDOOR EATING OR DRINKING AREA OR FOR A DISPLAY.
BUT THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING WAS NOT ALLOWED A SETBACK TO ALLOW PARKING IN FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.
NO PARKING ON MOVER ROAD AND THEY'RE 19TH FEET BACK FROM, WELL I DON'T THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SETBACK.
I I THINK IT JUST SAYS THAT I JUST THINK WE'LL NEED TO CLARIFY WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING FOR YOU TO DO ON THAT.
BUT THAT IS JUST HOW WE HANDLE THAT.
BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE IS, IT'S NOT A NEW STRUCTURE.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S SAYING THAT WE WOULD PUT PARKING ON THE LAKE.
UH, WELL WE CO CORRECT FROM WHAT THAT STATE.
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AGAIN, IF WE AT SOME POINT NEED YOU TO GO BACK AND HAVE THE, IT SAYS THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A SETBACK REQUIRED TO THE FRONT.SO IT WOULDN'T BE PUTTING PARKING IN THE LAKE IF BE PUTTING PARKING ON UBER.
AND THEY ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING ON THE PRIMARY, UH, ENTRANCEWAY TO THEIR EXISTING BUILDING.
AND THEY ALSO, FOR ANY OF THE PARKING ALONG THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ALONG THROUGH THE ROAD, IT'S MORE THAN 20 FEET PAST FROM WHERE THE UM, I THINK THAT THEY MEAN THAT IDEALLY THE, THE BUILDING WOULD BE ORIENTED TO BE FRONT AND THEN ALL THE PARKING WOULD BE BEHIND IT TO CREATE A NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL.
SO, AND THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING AND IT'S AN EXISTING, AN EXISTING CONDITION.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CONFIRM EVERYTHING.
HAVE JOHN LOOK AT THIS IS WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN WAIVE THAT OR IF THE ZONING BOARD JUST NEEDS TO GRANT AND IF WE'RE ALREADY SENDING STUFF TO THEM A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE IF THE BUILDING ALREADY WHERE IT IS TO PUT THE PARKING BEHIND THE BUILDING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYTHING DONE PROPERLY AND THEN IF SOMETHING HAS TO GO IN THEM, THEY JUST FIGURE IT OUT.
SO THEN THERE'S A WHOLE THING ABOUT ALSO SO, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IN THE EVENT THAT THEY'RE JUST RETRIP AND EXISTING? I THINK THEY'RE CONVERTING, IT'S VEGETATED AND SOME OF IT'S GRASSED OVER WHAT A PORTION? PARKING LOT.
A PORTION OF IT HERE IS GRASSED.
SO THEY'RE HITTING THE GRASS AREA AND CONVERTING IT TO PARKING.
IT USED TO BE A PARKING LOT BECAUSE THERE IS A, A POLE HERE, THERE IS A LIGHT POLE HERE.
SO THEY'RE OVER, THEY'RE GOING TOWARD AN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE AND THE SETBACK FROM THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE IS ZERO.
BUT IF NOT, SO FROM THERE OVER THEY'RE FINE.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS DOES THAT COUNT AS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING? BUT I, I MEAN BUT EVEN IF YOU CONSIDER THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHERE THEY HAVE THE ENTRYWAY, THEY JUST HAVE THE AADA A PARKING THERE, WHICH PARKING, PARKING IS NOT EXTENDING FRONT OF THE FRONT.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE, I DON'T SEE WHY THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A VARIANCE VARIANCE.
AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO BEHIND THE BUILDING, YOU'RE AN OFFICE PROPERTY AS WELL AS ALSO TAKING AWAY EXISTING VEGETATION.
SO I DON'T CODE INTERPRETATION TYPICALLY UP TO THE ZONING BOARD.
SO IT'S, I JUST, WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT SOMEBODY HAS LOOKED AT IT AND THAT WE JUST CONFIRM THAT THAT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
UH, AND THEN IT ALSO SAYS REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
SO I GUESS THAT WOULD COUNT HERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S INDUSTRIAL.
USING EXISTING PARKING LOTS SHALL BE ALLOWED TO UTILIZE PARKING ALONG THE STREET FRONT IF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET.
SO I WOULD THINKING THIS WOULD APPLY A 10 FOOT WIDE AREA OF VEGETATION AND PURPOSE AREAS DEVELOPED BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE STREET AND THE PARKING AREA.
SO THEY'RE 19 9 19 MET, UM, APPROPRIATE VEGETATIVE SCREENING OR OTHER AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE TO THE 10 FOOT WIDE AREA FRONTAGE.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE A LANDSCAPING LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT NEEDS THAT WE WOULD'VE TO APPROVE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN WE NEED TO APPROVE THE PARKING SPACES AND THEN FOR SIGNS IT, UM, THE APPROVED PLAN SET UNDER THE REZONING PROCESS, WE'LL OFFICIALLY SET THE SPECIFIC SIGN REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'LL NEED THE DIMENSIONS AND ALL THE INFORMATION OUT HOW YOU WANNA PUT A SIGN UP.
SO IT WON'T BE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ON THIS ONE WILL BE YOU GUYS? CORRECT.
ARE THERE RULES I CAN LOOK UP? YES.
FOR THAT THEY ARE IN ARCO X-X-X-V-I.
AND THAT'S IN THE MIXED USE ZONING CODE.
UM, AND THEN YOU ARE GONNA BE SERVICED BY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
YOU'RE GETTING US THE PERCENTAGE, NOT OVER THREE STORIES.
THIS IS A WEIRD ONE AND I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING IT DOESN'T APPLY.
BUT TO ENSURE A SENSE OF UNIFORMITY AND CREATE A VISUALLY APPEALING AREA, AT LEAST 75% OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING SHALL BE CLEAR GLASS.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY ON NEW STRUCTURES.
RIGHT? I THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M THAT'S EXISTING.
WELL HOW MUCH OF THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING IS WHAT? THIS IS ALL GLASS HERE.
ALL GLASS IS BECAUSE TOWARDS BIRDS.
AND THIS, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT HOOVER.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE JUST WHAT FACES? HOOVER YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ALL GLASS? GLASS.
THERE'S A FULL FIREPLACE IN MIDDLE AND GLASS THAT'S FROM FLOOR TO CEILING.
AND IF YOU COULD THAT'S THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT MEETS WHAT WE WERE THINKING.
WE HAVE A 3D RENDERING WE COULD SEND IT'S IT'S ALL GLASS.
UM, SHALL HAVE HIM MAINTAIN THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
REAR AND NORTH SIDE ENTRANCE IS I PERMITTED BUT IT SHALL NOT BE THE PRIMARY ENTRANCES.
AND THEN LOTS OF BUDDING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS SHALL MAINTAIN ADEQUATE SCREENING.
EITHER SOLID FENCING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HEALTHY VEGETATION OF AT LEAST FIVE FEET.
AND THERE'S NO ILLUMINATION FACING.
SO THERE'S NO LIGHTS FACING THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
AND THEN MAINTAIN A MINIMUM YARD OF 20 FEET SIDE AND REAR ADJOINING THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
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BUILDING CAN'T BE MOVED.BUT IS THERE 20 FEET BETWEEN ALL THE OTHER PARKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE? YES.
SO WE, WE MIGHT WANNA JUST LABEL THAT LINE ON THE DRAWING AND I THINK THAT'S IT.
UH, INCORPORATION OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, EV CHARGING STATION, BIKE RACKS AND OTHER SUSTAINABLE DESIGNS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED.
YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A GRANT.
AND THEN PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY ARE, SHOULD BE INCORPORATED IN THERE.
SO BEING ABLE TO SHOW THAT WITH THE DEC BOARDWALK OR BOARDWALK BE CONNECTIVITY, POTENTIALLY BE, I THINK THE OTHER THING IS THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO ADD THE EASEMENT.
I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO REASONABLE.
THE MULTIMODAL EASEMENT WE DID THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD COUNT FOR THAT.
RIGHT? IT'S A CONDITION OF THE REASON.
IT'S PRETTY GOOD LAW THERE
IT'S UH, MORE, MANY MORE THOUGHTS.
UM, THESE ONES ARE HOPEFULLY HELPFUL AND ALSO ANNOYING.
UM, I ZOOMED IN ON THE BUILDING AND THEN I CAME ACROSS THE SIX INCH BUCK THORN, WHICH IS INVASIVE.
NO, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SIX INCH.
WELL I'M SORRY I COULDN'T BUCKHORN.
OKAY, SO BUCKHORN IS INVASIVE.
UM, BUT THEN I LOOKED AT YOUR PLANT LIST AND YOU DON'T HAVE BUCKHORN LISTED.
SO MAYBE IT JUST IS EXISTING THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE FRONT WET AREA.
THAT BUCKHORN IS HORRIBLY INVASIVE.
UM, I CUT IT OUT HALF THE FENCE THIS SUMMER IN APRIL.
I TOOK ME ENTIRE DAY EIGHT HOURS BY HAND.
I DID IT BY MYSELF AND IT'S ALL BROKE BACK.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO SPRAY UP MORE.
UM, BUT YOU NEED A PERMIT FROM THE DEC TO APPLY IN YOUR WATER.
BUT, SO I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR PLANT LIST AND I THINK THAT THE UM, UH, CAB MIGHT WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THE PLANT LIST 'CAUSE IT'S, IT IS SHORT BUT I KNOW THAT THIS UM, THE MAIDEN GRASS, SOME OF THE MAIDEN GRASSES THAT YOU HAVE LISTED THIS, UM, I DUNNO HOW YOU SAY IT, BUT THE, THE ORNAMENTAL GRASSES, IT SAYS MS CAMPUS ESIS, SOME OF THESE ARE REGULATED IN NEW YORK STATE BECAUSE YOU CAN PLANT THEM IN A GARDEN BUT NOT IN A WILD AREA.
AND SINCE YOU'RE ON THE BEACH, YOU'RE KIND OF IN A WILD AREA.
THERE ARE TWO VERSIONS OF IT THAT LOST THEIR REGULATED, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE REGULATED AS INVASIVE, UM, BECAUSE THEY TAKE OVER.
AND SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THE CAB LOOK AT THE CAB PLANT LIST.
THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD.
THERE ARE ENVIRONMENT CONTROL ADVISORS.
AND THEY HAVE A LANCE, A LANDSCAPER WHO SITS ON THAT CAB.
SO HE'LL, HE USUALLY DOES A JOB.
HE'LL, HE'LL RECOMMEND A PLANT SWAP.
IF HE HAS A OR TELL YOU BECAUSE HE'S FINE.
DO I SEND IT TO THAT PERSON? UM, ANNISE CAN CAN WORK WITH THAT AND THEY MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS AND ANNISE CAN DIRECT YOU.
UM, AND WHEN YOU LEAVE, UH, LEONA SITTING OVER ON THE WALL OVER THERE, SHE'S ON THE CONSERVATION BUDGET REPORT.
SO SHE CAN, CAN INTRODUCE HERSELF.
DO DO WE HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN? UH, THIS ONE ACTUALLY DIDN'T.
THIS THIS WE WON'T BE ADDING TWO LIGHT POLES.
CAN YOU ADD A LIGHT? CAN YOU PROVIDE A LIGHTING PLAN SO THAT WE HAVE THAT WITH THAT? BECAUSE THIS IS BY THE WAY, RESIDENTIAL.
SO IF YOU COULD INCLUDE, UM, YOUR, HERE, COULD YOU JUST ADD A SHEET FOR A LIGHTING PLAN? I JUST ADD ALL THIS STUFF.
IF YOU COULD SEND A LETTER, ALL THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT HERE, JUST RECAPPING THE ANSWERS YOU GAVE US HERE VERBALLY.
'CAUSE THEN WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE FILE.
SO WE'RE OFF HOOK FOR HOOK SE SEEKER'S BEEN DETERMINED, SO BUT YOU'RE NOT TAKING, I WON'T PUT THANK YOU.
IT WAS THE BATS BILL DARK SCRAP COMPLIANT.
NO, IT'S THE TREES AND THE BATS.
BUT, SO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE ZBA FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE DEFENSE.
CAN WE, NOT TO PUT IT ON YOU BILL, BUT CAN WE PERHAPS PUT THEM ON THE MEETING JUST TO CONFIRM, LIZ AND JEN AND OTHERS JUST DO A FINAL SCRUB TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE NEED TO PUT ON THE LIST TO REVIEW THE ZONING BOARD AT OUR NEXT MEETING BECAUSE OUR, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY OUR JOB TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO SEND TO THE ZONING BOARD.
WELL, IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO COME TO US BEFORE DOES THE ZONING BOARD.
BUT THEY'RE GOTTA DETERMINE WHAT VARIANCE THAT THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR.
SO US TAKING THAT ON IS, IS KIND OF DOING SOME OF THEIR JOBS FOR THEM, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE I'M DOING.
WHEN'S THE NEXT ZONING BOARD MEETING ON TUESDAY? THE 6TH OF FEBRUARY AND THE DEADLINE IS THE 16TH.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE THE DEADLINE ANYWAY.
BUT WE WERE JUST GONNA FILE FOR THE, JUST FOR THE, IF YOU COULD JUST VIEW THE, THE MIXED USE, HAVE YOUR ENGINEER REVIEW THAT AND COMPARE IT TO ALL YOUR SETBACKS AND LABEL EVERYTHING SO THAT IT'S CLEARLY DOCUMENTED WHERE YOU MEET ALL THOSE.
I THINK THAT WOULD, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SAY, DENNIS? YEAH, JUST EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY WEEKDAY SEASONAL VOLLEYBALL OR, I MEAN IF IT'S AN EVENT,
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ARE THEY GONNA PLAY VOLLEYBALL AT THE EVENT OR, I'M CONFUSED.I MEAN, AN EVENT CAN SPAN EVERYTHING FROM A WEDDING TO A, A VOLLEYBALL TOURNAMENT.
THAT COULD BE CLASSIFIED AS YOU EVENT.
SO YOU WOULD ONLY USE THAT AS AN EVENT, LIKE A VOLLEYBALL TOURNAMENT.
THAT COULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF EVENT POST BECAUSE WEEKDAY I NEVER, AND IT'S WEEKDAYS, WHICH MADE ME THINK HAS AN EVENT ON WEEKDAYS MM-HMM
JUST TRYING TO MAKE MONEY ON THE OFF DAYS WHEN WE DON'T.
SO WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT, YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO USE THE SEASONAL SANDBAR AND THE GAMING FACILITIES AND THE BEACH.
LIKE PEOPLE COULD COME AND RIDE CHAMBERS BEYOND JUST THE EVENTS.
IT'LL BE DEFINED DOLLARS THAT IS DEFINED HOURS DURING SEASON.
SO THE BAR AND THE COURTS AND THE FACILITIES WILL BE AVAILABLE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT DEFINED DURING SET DEFINED HOURS.
SEASONALLY AS REQUIRED BY THE SL FIGURE.
YOU WOULDN'T GET ALL LAW OF FOLKS OUT THERE TODAY
SHE THEN IT'S REALLY NOT JUST AN EVENT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC DURING THE WEEK IS ADDED DURING SET SET TIMES.
WELL, WHAT TIMES, I MEAN, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE STRICTLY AN EVENT VENUE FOR SOMEBODY HAVING AN EVENT, NOT FOR THE PUBLIC JUST TO COME IN TO BE STRUCTURED IN AN EVENT TYPE OF CAPACITY SUCH AS A VALUABLE TOURNAMENT ON WEDNESDAY EVENINGS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN COME AND JOIN THAT EVENT.
I THINK REZONING HAD VERSUS I HOSTING A WEDDING REZONING A LIST OF POTENTIAL FUNCTIONS IT WOULD QUALIFY FOR.
WELL I JUST WANT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S A FUNCTION THERE.
PEOPLE AREN'T JUST GOING THERE TO DRINK.
IT'S A LONG LIST OF APPROVED FUNCTION.
BUT WE RAN THAT WITH THE VOLLEYBALL OVER ON, WITH JEFFREY'S PLACE.
REMEMBER THE VOLLEYBALL AND ALSO
AND IT WAS TURNED OUT THAT THE LAW SAID THAT WAS OKAY.
AND THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT.
SO BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE RULES.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT SO I WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 17TH BECAUSE WELL, JANUARY OF JANUARY, RIGHT.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR DOWN INTO THESE THINGS AND THEN HAVE TO THROW A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS ON TOO.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR ALCHEMY SHORES ON JANUARY 17TH AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED THE ANSWERS TO BEFORE THAT.
SO THAT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CAITLIN M.
ALL IN FAVOR? A MOTION CARRIED.
SO WE WILL SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.
AND WE DON'T NEED ANY REVIEWS OR ANY LETTERS CIRCULATED BECAUSE THE SECRET'S ALREADY DONE.
WE'LL SEE THE NOTICE FROM THE HEARING.
AND REGULAR SESSION, NOT WORK SESSION.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE WORK SESSION IS TOWN CHRYSLER DODGE JEEP RAM, REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A NEW 4,000 473 3 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THEIR BUILDING LOCATED AT 5 1 3 0 CAMP ROAD.
UH, MY NAME'S BILL WIND HERE, YORK CHAMBERLAIN CORPORATION.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE TOWN.
UM, HEREBY MYSELF IS THE GENERAL MANAGER.
JIM STEWART IS THEIR SON BASKETBALL GAME ALL.
AND THE OWNER OF FRANK DOWNING IS STILL IN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE HE'S A MICHIGAN WALL.
CAN, CAN YOU GUYS EXIT PLEASE? 'CAUSE WE STILL ARE TRYING TO RECORD.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT
HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS IS THAT GONNA PLACE? UH, IT SAYS ON THE GRIND IT'S ABOUT 34.
AND WHERE AT FOUR? WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 2 97.
SO WHERE ARE THE CARS GONNA GO? UM, THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF ROOM IN THE EASTERN SECTION OF THE BACK AREA THAT THEY HAD PUT IN, UM, EIGHT YEARS AGO.
IT WAS, UM, YEAH, PARK PARKING'S REALLY NOT CONCERNED AS FAR AS THE SITE.
IT DOES LOOK FLOOD THE FRONT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT AN INVENTORY IS.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY A MANUFACTURER DRIVEN RENOVATION.
UM, CHRYSLER JEEP ARE SEPARATING OR TRYING TO SEPARATE THE JEEP FRANCHISE 'CAUSE THAT'S THE HOT ITEM THOSE DAYS.
SO THIS WILL BE A SEPARATE FACADE AND ENTRANCE FOR THE JEEP BRAND.
ALTHOUGH INSIDE THE BUILDING IT WILL BE OPEN BETWEEN THE TWO
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WITH THE FOUR FRANCHISES.IF YOU WANNA TALKING ABOUT
THE BUILDING, THERE'S NO EFFECT ON THE DRAINAGE.
THERE IS NO MOVEMENT OF SITE LIGHTING'S, NO ADDITIONAL UTILITIES.
THE GREEN AREAS THAT EXIST NOW, UH, WILL REMAIN THE, THERE'S TWO GREEN AREAS UP BY THE BUILDING.
THEY WILL BASICALLY GET TRASHED DURING CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE'LL BE REBUILT, UM, SAME SIZE AS THEY ARE.
UM, THE BORDERS ARE ALL A TREES, AS IT IS.
UNFORTUNATELY, I COULDN'T IDENTIFY THE TREES 'CAUSE THERE'S NO LEAVES ON IT.
WHAT? YOU HAVE A NEW BUILDING, SO I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU, MAKE IT PRETTY.
UM, PUT IN A PLANTER, GET SOME FLOWERS.
GIVE THAT, GIVE THAT JEEP A LITTLE SOMETHING.
NO, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK BEHIND THE LITTLE JEEP ON A ROCK, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS.
IF YOU'VE BEEN ON SOUTHWESTERN DOWN CLOSER TO UH, MILES STRIP WESTERN HAS A JEEP FACILITY DOWN THERE.
SO, SO NOT TO SPEAK FOR YOU MARGOT, BUT DON'T YOU MEAN YOU, YOU'D LIKE SOME TREES OR FLOWERS ON THE ROCK ANYWHERE WE COULD PUT WE'RE ON THE BUILDING.
WE COULD PUT SOME FLOWERS, THE AROUND ROAD, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING PLEASE.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY, SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WHAT YOU'RE DOING THOUGH IS YOU ARE GETTING RID OF SOME OF YOUR PARKING SPACES IN LIKE THE EXISTING PARCEL OWNED BY TOWN.
THE WORD, UM, YEAH, THE FRONT CENTER.
AND SO YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO CARRY A LITTLE LESS INVENTORY, BUT THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU WANT THIS BUILDING.
I MEAN AND THAT'S BASICALLY ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S, THERE'S NOT REALLY A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING BACK THERE.
UM, IT'S LIKE PARTS EMPLOYEES.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ENTRANCE THEY GO THROUGH IT, IT GIVES 'EM A LITTLE WIDER STREET FRONT PRESENCE, BUT IT'S FRONT BUILDING.
THE ROCKS I LEARNED TALKING ABOUT SAID IF JEEP IS GONNA REQUIRE THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LIKE.
BUT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE VARIANCE BECAUSE IT'S GOT JEEP ON FRONT, IT'S CONSIDERED A SECOND SIGN.
UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THESE DRAWINGS TO
SO INSTEAD OF OUTTA YOUR POOL IN THE FRONT, THERE WAS A BUSH WE COULD DO.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK, IT WOULD BE THAT LOCK, THAT LOCK IS IN A PARKING SPOT FRONT.
IF IT JUST BE A, A CREATIVE PLANTER
BUT YEAH, YOU, I MEAN IF YOU CAN TELL US THE TREES, RIGHT, BUT YOU'RE, IT'S A PARKING, IT'S A BUILDING IN A PARKING LOT.
SO I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL JUST TELL YOU TO TELL THESE AFFECTED.
MAKE IT PRETTY, IT'S ALREADY ALL HARDY.
AND IF THERE IS ONE THAT WILL BE LIKE, AND PLANTERS THAT ARE THERE NOW THEY'RE A LITTLE WORDY, SO THEY NEED REDONE.
MY ONLY THING, AND IT'S OKAY, LEMME JUST RAISE.
OH, SORRY, I, I JUST, YOU SAID NO IMPACT ON DRAINAGE, BUT WHAT ABOUT COMPUTERS? THEY'LL TIE INTO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
DO YOU NOTE THAT ON YOUR SITE PLAN? IT'S JUST BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY MY ONLY ISSUE IS THE ENGINEER IS, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING MORE WATER RUN THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
SO IF YOU NOTE ON IT, ROOF LEADERS, WE CONNECT TO THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT CHECKS THE BOX.
ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S ON ONE THE DRAWING STATEMENTS.
THIS IS THE ONLY ONE I THINK I SAW.
UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN ENFORCE IT, BUT I'D LIKE, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, ASK JENNIFER OUR LAWYER TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, THE RE THE REASON I ASK WHERE THE CARS ARE GONNA GO IS 'CAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT WHEN, AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO TO SOME OFFSITE VACANT LOT AND JUST FILL IT WITH CARS.
AND THERE'S SOME PLACES IN THE TOWN WHERE SOME CAR DEALERSHIPS HAVE DONE THAT.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS SITE PLAN OR PREVENT YOU FROM DOING THAT LEGALLY.
BUT IF WE CAN, I'LL TRY AND FIGURE IT OUT SO I CAN ACTUALLY GET YOU SOME AERIALS THAT SHOW THE EXISTING PARKING INVENTORY.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT AVAILABLE.
UM, ALL RIGHT THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO
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SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TOWN.CHRYSLER DODGE JEEP GRAND FOR IS OUR FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, UH, SECOND SEVENTH FOR FEBRUARY 7TH.
SO THERE'S A MOTION BY BILL SECOND BY, WHAT WAS IT DAN? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
IT IS AFTER 7:00 PM SO WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 3RD MEETING OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD LETTER ROOM.
PLEASE RISE, LET AYE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC RELIGIOUS HANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PER ALL.
SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR KENDELL PRINCE REQUESTING PRELIMINARY OR THE PRICE RIGHT? WHAT? PRINCE.
KENDELL PRINCE REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 6 8 2 0 BOSTON STATE ROADS.
UNFORTUNATELY THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE DID NOT END UP IN THE SUN AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WAS SOMEBODY WANTED TO PRESENT ON THIS THOUGH? OR THERE'S NOBODY HERE FOR THAT ONE.
ALL RIGHT, SO THEN I'M JUST GONNA, THAT WAS GONNA BE SCHEDULED FOR THE 17TH.
E LEWIS MATT JUROWSKI REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL EXTENSION FOR PUBLIC MINI STORAGE FACILITY.
BE LOCATED AT 5 6 6 1 CANT ROAD.
SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE ALREADY APPROVED THERE.
TIME TO DO THE PROJECT IS, HAS NOT YET EXPIRED, BUT IT'S GOING TO EXPIRE SOON.
AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SIX MONTH EXTENSION.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM AN EXTENSION? THIS IS ALL CREAMY.
I'M JUST ASKING, UH, IN GENERAL.
WELL, THE TIME WE TRIED TO DO THAT, THE LAWYER HE IS SITTING IN THE PRETENDING HE CAN'T HEAR US RIGHT NOW, UM, THEY, THEY GET VERY UPSET AND THREATEN TO SUE US IS WHAT HAPPENS.
I THINK
NOT ALL OF THEM THREATEN TO SUE US.
I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA PAINT EVERYBODY INTO THEY GET ONE REQUEST, ONE EXTENSION WITH AN REQUEST.
AND IF IT'S DENIED, THERE ARE ISSUES OF THEM REAPPLYING.
BUT IT'S ONLY 50% OF THE COST.
IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT APPROVALS.
THAT'S THE, THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
THIS IS THE EXTENSION OF THE ACTUAL PERMIT.
THAT'S A D THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
THIS IS THE ACTUAL APPROVED PERMIT.
I I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER NOT DONE IT.
THEY GET 1 6, 6 MONTHS OR IS IT 12 MONTHS? AND NOT ONLY HAVE WE NEVER NOT DONE IT, BUT CUSTOMARILY THE MO EVERY PLANNING BOARD IN THE STATE WOULD GRANT ONE JUST BECAUSE IT WAS ASKED FOR.
SO DID THEY GIVE A REASON WHY? I MEAN, NORMALLY THEY GIVE YOU A REASON WHY.
DID THEY GIVE US A REASON WHY I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WRITE ONE DOWN IN MY NOTES.
THEY'RE JUST HAVING CONSTRUCTION ISSUES TO COVID.
NO, I, WELL I WILL SAY THOUGH TOO, THE PERMITS ARE SO, SO SLOW.
LIKE IT'S TAKING LIKE SIX MONTHS PLUS TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE STATE FOR THE BEDS.
WE'VE HAD A, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A THIRD YEAR.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF GRANTING THE EXTENSION TO MATT GKI.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS STONEFIELD ENGINEERING REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 3,999 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH LOCATED 3 5 6 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
THE FORMER FORMER FRIENDLY, WHICH WE'LL CALL FOR THE NEXT 30 EVENING.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT GOES IN, I'M GONNA CALL IT, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL PUT IN SOMETHING THAT'S SO GREAT THAT WE FORGET THAT IT USED TO BE FRIENDLY'S LEAST CHILI'S USED TO BE A CHILI'S BEFORE.
YOU DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THAT.
THAT'S WHY IT'S THE FORMER FRIENDLYS.
THINK SHE LOOK AT STREET TO YOU.
IT'S BEEN EVERYTHING FRIENDLY.
SO, UH, INTRODUCE MYSELF AGAIN.
MATT CHECK WAS STONEFIELD ENGINEERING DESIGN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
MCKINLEY HOLDINGS LLC TO REINTRODUCE THE PROJECT.
WE KIND OF JUST GOT INTO THAT, BUT, UH, OLD FRIENDLY'S ON THE CORNER OF MILES STRIP MALL AND MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY, UM, AND CREATE TWO NEW LOTS.
DEMO THE OLD RESTAURANT BUILD A NEW 3,999 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO BYPASS THAT SECRET PROCESS WITH A
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NEW BUILDING WITH RESTAURANT AND DRIVE THROUGH.USES PROPOSING 23 PARKING STALLS, NEW UTILITIES UPGRADE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
WE ARE UNDER A ONE ACRE OF DISTURBANCE.
WE ARE ALSO DECREASING IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO WE AUTOMATICALLY JUST MEET THE 25 YEAR STORM REQUIREMENT BASED ON THE TOWN'S, UH, STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE UNDER AN ACRE.
UM, WE HAVE A COMPLIANT DOWNWARD FACING LED UH, DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING PLAN.
WE'RE PROPOSING NINE NEW TREES AND 70 TO, UM, 80 NEW SHRUBS ON THE SITE WHERE POSSIBLE.
AND, UM, WE WERE HERE LAST MEETING DECEMBER 6TH, AND I BELIEVE THE BOARD'S COMMENT HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARKING.
SO WE PREPARED A PARKING STUDY, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED PRIOR TO, UH, THIS BOARD MEETING.
AND NOW WE ARE BACK HERE TO REQUEST TO BE ADDED TO THE JANUARY 17TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS HAVE THIS BOARD ADVISE US TO GO TO THE ZBA FOR THE ONE SMALL VARIANCE.
WE ARE, UH, WE'RE CREATING DUE TO THE SUBDIVISION, JUST TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT VARIANCE, SINCE WE ARE CREATING A SUBDIVISION, THE LARGER LAW, I'LL CALL IT AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION, UH, DOESN'T MEET THE, DOESN'T MEET THE, UH, PER COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS.
'CAUSE WE'RE TAKING OFF SOME LOT OR SOME AREA OF THAT ONE LOT FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WE TRIGGER A 1% INCREASE IN VARIANCE FOR THE INCREASE IN, IN FERMENT SERVICES.
AND THAT LARGER LOT IS GRANDFATHERED IN.
IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA AS IT IS.
IT'S A, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, UH, YES, MR. CLARK.
IT'S A PRE-EXISTENT NON-CON FALL DATE.
SO, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT FROM THIS BOARD TO BE ADVISED TO THE ZBA FOR THE FEBRUARY 6TH ZBA MEETING.
UH, JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT EVERYTHING ELSE WITH OUR PROJECT IS AS OF RIGHT.
IT'S LIKE, IT, IT'S IT BEEN WEIRD.
BUT WE TYPICALLY RUN IS THAT IT'S BEST CASE WHERE YOU IT BEST CASE ARE AWARE OF IT.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR FINAL APPROVAL ESSENTIALLY AFTER YOU GET THE GRANT.
ALMOST ADVISORY, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
UH, JUST TO REMIND THE BOARD, UM, UH, WE ARE, AS OF RIGHT, UH, WE ARE PERMITTED USE.
UH, THE ONLY VARIANCE WE HAVE IS JUST ONE MODERN VARIANCE HERE.
UM, THERE ARE ALWAYS ALSO A COMMENT I BELIEVE ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN, UH, ANY QUESTIONS OF LANDSCAPING.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, JUST TO REDUCE THE APPLICATION AND, UH, HOPEFULLY BE PUT ON THE, UH, AGENDA NEXT, UH, NEXT TWO WEEKS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THE COURT HAS CAN YOU, I WAS JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO YOU'RE GONNA NEED THE VARIANCE BEFORE WE DO THE APPROVAL BECAUSE WE COULD PUT IT ON FOR THE SEVENTH AND DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DEPENDING ON THE WAY THE COMMENTS GO, BE IN A POSITION TO VOTE ON THE SEVENTH ANYWAY.
YOU'RE SAYING FEBRUARY 7TH? FEBRUARY BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE VARIANCES, THE, THE EARLIEST WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION WOULD BE THE SEVENTH.
SO WE COULD DO THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT DAY AND THEN YOU ONLY HAVE TO COME BACK ONCE.
OR WE COULD DO IT ON THE 17TH AND THEN YOU END UP COMING BACK TWICE.
IF WE COULD DO IT IN ONE DAY, THAT'D BE PREFERRED.
IF WE, IF WE NEED TO COME BACK ON THE SEVENTH ANYWAY AFTER WE GET THE VARIANCE, BUT IS THAT RIGHT? WE'D HAVE TO 'CAUSE THE, YOU CAN'T GET THE VARIANCE BEFORE THE THIRD.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, SO I GUESS THE SCHEDULE OF EVENTS WOULD BE GET THE VARIANCE APPROVED ON THE SIXTH, THEN COME BACK HERE ON THE SEVENTH THE NEXT DAY.
AND I'M ASSUMING THERE'S MORE OF A VOTE ON THAT APPLICATION.
RIGHT? WELL I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE.
THAT WOULD MAKE IT SO WE NEEDED MORE INFORMATION.
BUT ASSUMING THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, I MEAN THERE, THERE HADN'T BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF, COULD YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THE SAME DAY? YES.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION AND I APOLOGIZE IF I'M FORGETTING THIS.
THIS HAS BEEN BACK AND FORTH FOR US A LITTLE WHILE.
WHAT IS THE PROPOSED USER FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH AND DO YOU HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF STACKING SPACES FOR THE LOT? I REALIZE THAT A LOT OF THIS IS ALL INTERIOR, BUT IT LOOKS, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY STACKING SPACES YOU HAVE AND THE USER IS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA GO OUT BECAUSE YOU COME IN OFF, OFF MCKINLEY.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ANN LEAST PUT UP THE RIGHT SIDE PLAN, BUT YOU KNOW, COMING OFF MCKINLEY MAY CUT THROUGH FOR LIKE THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE AREA AND STUFF AND THERE'S LIKE STOP SIGNS IN THEM.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE STACKING BEHIND AN ISSUE WITH A STARBUCKS OVER ON CAMP ROAD AND THEN WE'RE STACKING OUT INTO THE STREET.
AND SO THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS 'CAUSE THIS IS OUR TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE, AND WE REMIND YOUR, YOU'RE STACKING YOUR PARKING LOT LATER.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN END USER YET.
I THINK IT'S STILL IN DISCUSSION.
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SO THE USE IS TO BE DETERMINED.IT'S WHY WE ENDED UP, IT'S NOT WITH THE STARBUCKS, RIGHT, IS BECAUSE THE USE WASN'T DISCLOSED.
AND THAT WAS, IS THERE A WAY WITH, I MEAN I'M NOTICING ON YOUR, UM, AT LEAST ONE OF YOUR UPDATED PLANS.
I'M LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE, OH, YOUR LANDSCAPING PLAN WHERE YOU SEE THE, LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE UM, UH, WHAT'S IT CALLED? REORDER.
IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THAT IT'S, YOU COULD PROBABLY SHIFT THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE FORWARD TO KIND OF ALLOW FOR EVEN ADDITIONAL CARS BEHIND.
YEAH, I THINK WE CAN MOVE THE WINDOW FORWARD.
OH THERE IT'S, YEAH WE CAN MOVE THE WINDOW FORWARD AND YOU CAN GET THREE MORE CARS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IF YOU WERE TO BACK THEM LIKE THIS RIGHT THEN, RIGHT.
YOU WOULD END UP THEN ALLOWING FOR WE SHOW SIX CARS TO START AND THEN IT, WE SHOW 14 VEHICLES THERE.
I THINK WE CAN GET ABOUT 14 MORE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT EVEN FOR SMALL DUCKS.
HOW MANY STACKING SPACES? I DON'T KNOW IF OUR NEXT PERSON KNOWS HOW MANY STAFFING SPACES WE LOOK ON, HOW MANY STACKING SPACES WE HAVE ON THE STARBUCKS.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S 14 AND HE SAID I THINK THERE WAS 14.
THERE'S LIKE 13 OR 14 AND THEN HE WAS SAYING LIKE OFF TO 15 AND THAT HORTON'S IS THE ONE THAT'S CLOSER TO LIKE 17 OR LIKE AT WORST 21.
BUT THAT'S LIKE AN INCREDIBLY UNUSUAL SITUATION WE HAVE OURSELVES IN, DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY CHICK-FIL-A HAS IN THIS WORLDLY POPULAR? THAT WAS LIKE 26.
IS THAT MORE THAN ONE LANE? YES, IT WAS MULTIPLE LANES AND THEN IT ALSO, THEY HAD BACKUP CONTINGENT PLAN FOR OPENING THAT MOVED.
SO THAT WAS THE THING THAT I THINK IS DIFFERENT THAN THIS IS THEY HAD AN ALTERNATIVE STACKING PLAN.
'CAUSE THEY HAD THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH THE PADS, RIGHT? THEY HAD A STACKING PLAN THAT COULD WEAVE THROUGH THE PLANNING AND PARKING LOT.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY A HEAVILY USED LOT THAT RAIN MORE PLANNING HAD SIGNED OFF ON.
I THINK THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THERE A LOT, IS THAT MEAN CUT ABSOLUTE.
SO YOU REALLY DON'T WANT ANYBODY I CAN GET WITH THE CLIENT AND ASK THAT QUESTION AND WORK WITH THE TOWN STAFF IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
THE EASIER CONCERN AND MAYBE PROVIDE A MEMO BEFORE THE MEETING.
WE DO HAVE A MONTH NOW THAT WE ARE KIND OF BYPASSING THE TWO WEEK PROCESS AND GO INTO THE FOLLOWING MONTH.
SO IT WOULD BE A MONTH BEFORE WE'VE COME BACK HERE.
AND IF YOU CAN OPTIMIZE THE, LIKE THE WINDOW LOCATION, LIKE YEAH, LIKE I SAID, MOVE IT FORWARD, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF THAT ALLOWS ADDITIONAL STEP, LIKE WHATEVER YOU IS FEASIBLE THERE, THAT WOULD BE, UM, I MEAN IS THERE SOMETHING, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT ALTERNATIVE STACKING PLAN IS PRESENTED FOR CHICK-FIL-A, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING WHERE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY ON THE OTHER SIDE TO TRY AND AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS LIKE THE CAR BEFORE THE HORSE NOT KNOWING WHAT THE RESTAURANT'S GOING TO BE AND SO FORTH.
BUT I KNOW THAT'S MY PATHWAY TO GET TO HOME DEPOT AND WHATNOT AND THAT IT'S PRETTY READILY USED.
AND UM, I JUST WANT WHAT OTHER TYPES OF PRECAUTIONS CAN BE MADE WITHOUT MAKING IT, YOU KNOW, PROHIBITIVE FOR THE PROJECT.
BECAUSE THE, THE LINE MOVES THIS WAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY, I MEAN SO ANYTHING TO GET MORE STACKING ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS AS YOU'RE STACKING GOES, IT STARTS AT HOME.
YOU'RE STACK GOES RIGHT OUT INTO THAT MAIN DOOR THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC BOTH BEHIND THOSE BUILDINGS FOR LIKE BACK THERE AS WELL.
SO I JUST, MY CONCERN IS THAT ONCE WE RUN OUT OF STACKING SPACES HERE, WE RUN THOSE STACKING SPACES.
SO, AND IT, AND IT, AND IT FUNNELS RIGHT IN, IT ALMOST WOULD BE EASIER IF THE STACK, IT WENT THE OTHER WAY.
'CAUSE YOU COULD TIER MORE WITH THE OTHER BUILDING.
BUT YEAH, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE 16 TO 17 SPACES AND THAT'S, THAT'S LOT.
I MEAN, COMING WITHIN ANALYSIS AND AGAIN NOT KNOWING WHAT THE USER IS, THAT MAKES IT REALLY HARD.
AND THAT'S AGAIN, HOW, HOW MANY POINTS REQUIRE FOR STACKING.
JOSH? DO YOU KNOW DREW KNEW OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD?
IS THERE ANY CHANCE TO DIRECTIONALLY CONTROL HOW PEOPLE ENTER THE STACKING LANES SO YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET 'EM BOTH WAYS AND BLOCKING THAT AREA UP? YEAH, I MEAN WE HAVE TO DO NOT ENTER SIGN.
WE HAVE LIKE PAINTINGS, WE HAVE SIGNAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TYPICAL THINGS YOU WOULD SEE ON ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE LIKE A, UH, ORDER MENU BARS AND THERE'S LIKE A, UH, OVERHANG BAR.
LIKE THERE'S, IT WILL BE SIGN THE ENTRANCE OF IT.
SO NOT IN IN, IN BOTH SITUATIONS.
THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD, YOU GUYS RAISED A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE YOU ENTER FROM, UM, YOU JUST EXPLAINED THIS TO ME, I'M SORRY, BUT LIKE EVERY TIME I LOOK AT THIS, MY BRAIN JUST MELTS BECAUSE YOU ALL KEEP TALKING ABOUT MCKINLEY AND I'M LIKE, DOESN'T TOUCH MCKINLEY.
UM, SO YOU ENTER FROM THE HOME
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DEPOT SIDE, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU COME FORWARD AND YOU EXIT WHEN I WALK OVER POINT, SORRY, I DON'T LIKE TO WALK BEHIND PEOPLE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE HERE FOR PARKING, RIGHT? OKAY.TELL ME WHERE MCKINLEY IS IF YOU'RE STANDING RIGHT THERE.
MCKINLEY MCKINLEY'S OVER HERE.
UM, YOU AND YOU HAVE THREE CURB CUTS ESSENTIALLY TO THAT DRIVE AISLE.
YOU HAVE THE PARKING HERE, RIGHT? A DA SPACES, THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
14 STANDARD PARKING STALLS HERE.
THEN YOU HAVE YOUR QUEUING UH, DRIVE THROUGH LANE, RIGHT? SO YOU DRIVE IN HERE TO GET INTO THE QUEUE LANE.
THERE IS A HEIGHT GUARD, RIGHT? THERE'S SIGNAGE.
THERE'S ALSO SIGNAGE HERE THAT DOES NOT ENTER, YOU KNOW, INTO THE QUEUING LANE.
AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 1414 CARS.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE CAN GET AN ADDITIONAL CARD HERE BY MOVING THE ORDER WINDOW TO THE FURTHER PLAN, RIGHT.
AND GET AN ADDITIONAL CARD HERE AND FIT TWO MORE IN THIS AREA.
SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT MORE PEOPLE WILL GET INTO THIS ESTABLISHMENT FROM MCKINLEY? SO THEY'LL BASICALLY COME IN THEN MAKE IT HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH FROM THE RIGHT LANE.
AND THAT IS SO THAT THE BUILDING IS FACING MCKINLEY.
THE ONLY WAY TO ENTER, THE ONLY WAY TO ENTER THE FACILITY FROM MCKINLEY.
THESE ARE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ENTRANCE OVER HERE.
MCKINLEY HAS THAT DIVIDER AND BORDER WHERE YOU CANNOT GO, YOU'RE GOING NORTHBOUND OF MCKINLEY.
I I GUESS I MEANT ONCE YOU'RE IN YEAH, YEAH.
IN THE PARKING LOT, LIKE TO GET INTO THE LITTLE FRIENDLY PLAZA YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT.
THERE'S SO MANY, THE PLAZAS SO LARGE THAT THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO ENTER RIGHT.
SO YOU CAN EITHER ENTER VIA THE PARK, THE STRIP MALL, I'LL CALL IT TO THE SOUTH VIA THIS CORRIDOR HERE OR ENTER FROM THE NORTH WHERE THE HOME DEPOT ENTRANCE IS, LIKE YOU'RE MENTIONING.
OR ENTER ON THE ACCESS ROAD BEHIND ALL THESE BUILDINGS, WHICH IS THE WHITE LAMP, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THESE BUILDINGS HERE.
SO THAT, SO ABOVE THE PROPERTY, JUST DOWN FROM WHERE YOU ARE IS CORE LIGHT BEATY, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND THEN POPEYE'S IS LIKE YEP.
FURTHER ON THE OTHER OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET ON EASTERN SIDE ON THIS SIDE.
AND THEN IT'S LIKE, UM, YEAH VISION WORKS.
THEY'RE LIKE A YANKEE CANDLE OR SOMETHING.
THERE'S A ALL ACROSS FROM THEM.
THE SHOPPING PLAZA HAS EVERY USE POSSIBLE NEAR, I THINK JUST ANYONE REMEMBER HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WERE REQUIRED FOR THE STARBUCKS? THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO LOOK UP IN THIS PARKING LOT.
SO OUR ANALYSIS FOR PARKING, OUR ANALYSIS FOR THE PARKING HAD TO CONSIDER THE ENTIRE SHOPPING PLAZA AS A WHOLE OR 40% OVER PLAZA.
I DON'T MEAN, I MEAN I MEANT STACKING.
BUT JUST TO GET TO THAT WHILE WE'RE ON THAT SUBJECT, WE ARE 40% OVER PARKED WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE ENTIRE SHOPPING PLAZA.
SO THE PARKING COUNT, I KNOW THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS IS DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING BOARD IS NOT REALLY A CONCERN FOR US.
SINCE WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER PARK WITHIN THE ENTIRE SHOP OF PLAZA IN QING.
WE CAN LOOK INTO, REALLY CAN LOOK INTO FURTHER, YEAH.
AND I THINK IF YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON THE, THE PROPOSED USER.
THERE OR THE, AT LEAST THE GENRE OF USER.
IS IT COFFEE, IS IT, I BELIEVE IT'S MORE LIKE A RESTAURANT PICKUP STYLE.
WE HAVE A RESTRICTION FROM STARBUCKS AND NOT BY THE COFFEE.
THEY WILL NOT BE, IT WILL NOT BE JOSH AND
CAN YOU HOLD FOR US? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SECOND, BUT THE NUMBERS LIKE WHAT DID, WHAT IS TIM HORTON'S REQUIREMENT? WHAT DID WE ALLOW IN THE STARBUCKS BY WEGMANS? WHAT DOES CHICK-FIL-A HAVE? SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS FROM OUR ANDERSON JUNE, 2022.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? IF ONLY BENDERSON COULD TELL US HOW MANY, GIMME A SECOND ONE PARTS ON BARBOX BY WEGMANS.
WOULDN'T THAT BE HELPFUL?
UM, FOR FAST FOOD RESTAURANT DONUT SHALL THE REQUIRED QA WAS 16 IS WHAT THEY REPRESENTED.
FOR WHICH ONE? THIS IS IN UH, MATERIALS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT IN MAY, 2022.
NO, THAT'S WHAT WE WE ASKED MORE.
YEAH, DID THEN THEY CAME UP WITH THAT.
THAT IS, THAT'S DIFFERENT USE THAN RIGHT? YES.
BUT YOU SAID EXPAND YEARS UP TO THE WE CAN DO, WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPAND IT BY THREE STALLS.
WHICH WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE GREAT.
WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY TO, BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE OVER PARKED 17, IF YOU COULD LOSE SOME PARKING SPACES TO GAIN SOME STACKING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS OR NOT.
IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT WE PARKING.
YEAH, THE WAY THAT WE SHAVED OUT THE SUBDIVISION WOULD BE A LITTLE TRICKY.
ESPECIALLY WITH THAT DRY VI THAT'S THERE.
UM, AND I THINK WE'D HAVE TO REVIEW THE CIRCULATION LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
I THINK THE SHIFTING OF THE ORDER WINDOW AS WELL AS THE SHIFTING OF THE, JUST KIND OF SHIFTING TO ADD THREE, YEAH, GET TO 17 I THINK WILL BE FURTHER
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SUFFICIENT.AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE HONEYMOON PERIOD WHERE IT'S GONNA BE A DISASTER.
BUT THEN ONCE THINGS LEVEL OUT AND ALSO OPERATIONALLY IT BECOMES MORE EFFICIENT, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
THE STACKING STUDY THAT WE GOT FROM VENDORS IN AS PART OF THAT SHOWED, LOOKED AT FOUR DIFFERENT, I BELIEVE STARBUCKSES AND THE MAXIMUM Q LENGTH THAT THEY HAD OBSERVED WAS 12.
SO WE WERE UP TO 17 THAT WE'RE GOOD EVEN IF PEOPLE AREN'T, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS SWITCH TOGETHER.
IF WE COULD GET EXTRA THREE SPOTS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY, AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE COFFEE IS NEEDS MORE STACKING THAN OTHER USES FOR SOME REASON.
I HAD NO PROBLEM IN MY STARBUCKS TODAY BY THE WAY.
EASIEST STARBUCKS TO GET IN AND OUT.
SO WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE THOUGH.
ANYTHING ELSE? AND IF YOU JUST SEND THAT MEMO LIKE YOU OFFERED.
ALRIGHT, SO MAYOR, A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON STONEFIELD ENGINEERING FOR FEBRUARY 7TH AND ASK THE PLANNING CONSULTANTS TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR THAT DAY.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS HAMBURG CROSSINGS REQUESTING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF UH, EIGHT HUNDRED TWO FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE SQUARE FOOT FIVE BUILDING WAREHOUSE PARK TO BE LOCATED AT 5 2 2 0 CAMP ROAD.
ANYBODY ASK QUESTION, I SHOULD GET SOME CREDIT FOR THAT.
WE PROVIDE EVERYONE TO THE, WE GIVE YOU PRESENTATION THE LAST TIME.
NOTHING'S CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME EXCEPT THAT I DID MENTION THAT I HAD WORKED IT OUT.
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME OUTREACH WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND I DO HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT WITH
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION.
YOU IF GOING KEEP, KEEP GOING.
HI, UM, THERE'S THE PROJECT SITE, ALL THE NEIGHBORS IN GREEN.
WE MET WITH ALL THE ABUTTING NEIGHBORS TO THE PROPERTY 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONE IMPACTED OUT OF, UM, ALL THOSE NEIGHBORS.
THEY SIGNED AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE TWO.
WE STILL CHASING DOWN JUNE 15,017.
AND THEN, SO THE GREEN ONES, THE ONES THAT DID THE AGREEMENT.
I'LL GIVE YOU A COPY OF THAT IN A MINUTE.
SO WE, WE WORKED WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE DIRECTLY ABIDING THE SITE.
UM, BECAUSE WE FAILED THAT THEY'RE THE MOST IMPACTED.
UM, WHAT WE DID WORKING WITH THEM, WE MAINTAINED THE 17.4 CONSERVATION EASEMENT WAS WHO WAS PART OF THE LAST PROJECT.
SO THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT IN THIS AREA OF SITE, THERE'S 150 FEET.
WE PUT THE BUFFER INTO THE CURB LINE AT 225 FEET.
WE PUT THE CLOSEST BUILDING, 300 FEET, THAT'S ALL THE WAY OUT HERE IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND THE SETBACK TO THE LOADING DOCKS IS NOW OVER 500 FEET.
SO WE PUSHED EVERYTHING AWAY FROM THAT.
NOW ON THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THE CONSERVATION AREA IS A HUNDRED FEET.
THAT'S WHERE THE TREES CURRENTLY EXIST.
THE BUFFER OF THE CURB LINE IS 200 FEET.
THE SETBACK TO THE LOADING FACE RIGHT HERE IS 2 75.
AND THEN THE LOADING DOCKS ARE 575 FEET.
ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE AGREEMENT I WERE IN THERE AND I WENT THROUGH LAST TIME.
THIS AREA HERE THAT'S CURRENTLY ALL CONCRETE BRUSHED UP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
WITH NEW LANDSCAPING, ADDING A BURN DOWN THE ENTIRE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND ADDING OVER ALMOST 200 TREES IN THE AREA FOR THE, WE DID AGREE TO SOME LIGHTING, BUILDING AND OTHER CONDITIONS.
I DID WALK THROUGH THE WEBSITE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
I DID LOOK AT, NOPE, I'M BACK.
I DID LOOK AT YOUR PROPOSED ZONING, UM, THAT YOU ARE GONNA RECOMMEND NEXT IF, IF YOU GO THROUGH WITH THAT.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE IN OUR EXISTING ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT THE PROPERTY IS NOW.
WAREHOUSE IS PERMITTED AND WAREHOUSE GREATER THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
SPECIAL USE PERMIT UNDER YOUR PROPOSED ZONING OFFICE.
PERMITTED AND WAREHOUSE IS PERMITTED, ASSOCIATED WITH OFFICE, WHICH IS PERMITTED USE.
AND EVERY ONE OF THESE USER USERS IS GONNA HAVE AN OFFICE.
SO WE ARE NOT COM PROPOSING USE.
THAT'S STILL NOT PERMITTED UNDER YOUR
TYPICALLY IT'S, IT'S AN OFFICE AND A STORAGE AREA.
UM, AS FAR AS YOUR FRONT YARD, YOUR SETBACKS, THE FRONT YARD REQUIRED NOW IS 40 FEET.
THAT STAYS THE SAME WITH THE PROJECT.
AS FAR AS YOUR SIDE YARD, YOUR REQUIREMENT UNDER THE CURRENT CODE IS 20 FEET.
SO WE'RE FIVE AND A HALF TIMES THE
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SIZE OF THAT.AS FAR AS YOUR REAR YARD, A BUDDYING RESIDENTIAL IS 20 FEET WHERE YOUR NEW CODE IS 50 FEET.
AS FAR AS YOUR LANDSCAPING, YOU REQUIRE 5% INTERIOR AND 50% OVERALL.
CURRENTLY WE PROVIDE 5.8 43.1.
UM, YOU DO REQUIRE AN NEW CODE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING ALONG CAMP ROAD.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM COMPLYING WITH THAT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE VERY LITTLE PROPERTY ON CAMP ROAD.
UM, SCREENING FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
YOU CAN REQUIRE A TREELINE ENTRANCE.
WE ALREADY PROPOSED THAT AND WE ARE GONNA BE GREATER THAN 5.84 3.1.
THEY'RE GONNA BE THE PLANS WE SUBMITTED.
SO WE'RE FAR, FAR ABOVE WHAT THE NEW NEW COACH GONNA REQUIRE.
SO HE ASKED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I DID REVIEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I STILL THINK THE PROJECT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
HE DID ASK ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR HAMBURG GATE.
HAMBURG GATEWAY,
UM, HE GONNA BE TWO STUDY FROM PAGES WOOD 5 57.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S IN THE STUDY THAT'S RIGHT FROM YOUR STUDY.
THIS IS THROUGH WHERE AREA, WHICH IS IN THE STUDY.
THAT'S THE REST OF OUR PROPERTY.
UM, IN FACT, OUR PROPERTY WILL BE SET BACK BEHIND ANYTHING THAT'S POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED ON THAT SITE.
UM, THEY WERE ASKING A LOT OF MONEY.
I THINK EMPLOYEE AUTHORITY RECONSIDERING THAT AT THIS POINT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'LL EVENTUALLY DO WITH IT.
AND I'M JUST POINTING OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE ALLOW CONNECTION TO THE SIGNAL HERE.
SO THAT IS NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED.
THEY ACTUALLY PUT THAT RIGHT IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME FROM WASHINGTON.
SO ANYTHING'S GONNA HAVE TO CONNECT.
WE WOULD AGREE TO SOME FUTURE CONNECTION.
THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WILL PROBABLY NEED.
WE'RE GONNA WRITE IN RIGHT OUT ON CAN'T WAIT.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT, THAT THIS POSSIBILITY.
THE DRAWING ON YOUR PLAN, AND THIS IS NOT EVEN A POSSIBILITY.
SO I DID SUBMIT, I I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING.
YOU HAVE A BINDER PHONE WITH THE PATIENT.
WE HAVE A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT.
IT RECEIVED A, A SECRET I, UH, SECRET FINDINGS AT THAT POINT.
SO, SO WE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING, UM, IN THAT PACKAGE.
THE ONE THING THAT WE HAD BACK WHEN I ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IS THAT WE SHOWED THERE WERE SOME MORE SMALL FEDERAL WETLANDS.
THEY NO LONGER ARE FEDERAL WETLANDS.
THERE WAS A SUPREME COURT CASE, THE CHAINS OF DEFINITION, FEDERAL WETLANDS.
AND UM, WE HAD, UM, EARTH DIMENSIONS GO BACK OUT THERE AND RE DELINEATE.
BUT THEY DON'T MEET THAT DEFINITION.
SO I WILL GIVE YOU THE EARTH DIMENSIONS LETTER AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE LETTER WITH THE, UM, NEIGHBORS SO YOU CAN OH, I, I KNOW THE ONE WE'VE SEEN HAS THE, UM, STRUCTURES ON IT.
BUT DO YOU HAVE THE WETLANDS? UM, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOTIONAL, BUT DO YOU HAVE THE WETLANDS DEPICTED ON IT'S, IT'S ON THE FENCE ON ABDOMINAL PLAN AND THEY'RE, THERE'RE SMALL WETLANDS THAT WERE CREATED ACTUALLY BY FILLING IN SOME OF THE STRUCTURES THAT WERE THERE.
AND I MENTIONS OF BE YOU WETLAND.
WELL 'CAUSE THEY KNOW YOU HAVE ONE.
THEY DIDN'T DO AN ANALYSIS AND THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
ALSO WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF HOW YOU PROTECT WETLANDS.
UM, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO DISCUSSION OF, SO I WOULD ASK FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE DID WORK A LOT OF MEETING.
ANY UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE ON THE BOARD? CAN I BE SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING TO A PUBLIC HEARING? PUBLIC HEARING? RIGHT.
UH, ON THE 17TH OR THE I'M NOT, I'M OUT OF TOWN.
I CAN HOLD ANDERSON'S APPROVAL.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA DO YOU DID THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
FEBRUARY WOULD WORK FOR MAY I, RIGHT? YES.
UM, UH, I ALSO JUST WANNA NOTE THAT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PLANNING BOARD DOES HAVE TO MAKE A SECRET DETERMINATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE TOM BOARD IS ABOUT PLANNING BOARD POSSIBLE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IN THE, THE DETERMINATION CAN EITHER BE THAT THE PRIOR SEEKER IS OKAY THAT WE NEED A NEW SEEKER OR THAT WE CAN USE THE OLD ONE WITH CERTAIN CHANGES.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS.
AND WE HAVE HOW MANY DAYS AFTER THE CLOSED PUMP PERIOD? UH, IF THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST, THERE'S, WE HAVE PROJECT, HAVE PEOPLE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IF NEEDED.
YOU KNOW, HOW LONG AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING? 60 DAYS? 60 DAYS.
THERE WE, THERE GOES 15 OR 60
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON HAMBURG CROSSINGS FOR FEBRUARY 7TH.
IT'S A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CINDY.
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AYE.THIS IS THE 2009 FDIS THAT WE WILL BE DECIDING THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH.
PERHAPS WE CAN GET, UM, DREW HAS GONE IN THE PAST LIKE A FINDINGS FORM THAT RUNS THROUGH THE FINDINGS.
SO
EVERY TIME WE'VE GOT SOMETHING IN THE BROADER WITH PUD, WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED ANALYSIS.
WE DID THAT WORK AND I PROVIDED TO JOSH WHERE WE TOOK THE CEDAR FINDINGS, THE PRIOR PROJECT, HOW THEY ARE AND WHERE WE ARE NOW STUDY SO THAT WE CAN MATCH THOSE UP.
SO THAT WAS SMOOTHLY AS PART OF THE RECORD.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE RECOMMENDATION AND REPORT ISSUANCE.
SO WE'VE BEEN KICKING THAT AROUND FOR DID ALL RECEIVE IT? YEAH.
YEAH, WE GOT THE, UM, SO WE'VE BEEN KICKING THIS AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UH, DO WE NEED TO, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES SINCE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT? JEFF? THE ONLY THING THAT I DID IS BASED OFF OF, SO THE LAST TIME THAT I WAS HERE ON I THINK NOVEMBER 15TH, I GAVE HIM THE LAST MAPS, ASKED THE RADIO REVISIONS, WE TOOK SOME THINGS OUT, HAD TO SOME THINGS IN, UM, WE ALSO PROVIDED REASONING FOR WHY, BASED OFF YOUR GUYS' IN PUBLIC POLICE, UH, PUBLIC BOARD REASONING FOR WHY YOU DECIDED TO MARK WHAT YOU WANTED TO GET.
REASON THE CRI AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T.
UM, SO THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DOCUMENT.
AND WE ALSO INCLUDE THE SBL NUMBERS AND THE ADDRESS IT INTO WHERE EACH
CRI AND SOME OF THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION THAT'S IN THERE IS THE LATEST MAP.
UM, SO IN THAT PACKAGE, THAT MAP THAT HAS SOME OF THE HATCHING, THAT IS THE LATEST MAP BASED OFF OF YOUR FINAL COMMENTS.
UH, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME DOCUMENTATION FROM, UM, THE COMP PLAN AND FROM GATEWAY PLAN IN THERE THAT SAYS, UH, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION AS WELL AS UM, OTHER MAPS FROM THE COMP PLAN GIVEN THIS PROBABLY FIXED THE HALF THE, THE DOUBLE ZONE SITES THAT WE FIXED ALL OF THEM.
SO WHAT ABOUT SUPERIOR LEASING YOUR AUTO SALES? SO THAT JUST AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU HAD US TAKE THAT OUT.
YOU CHECK THAT OUT BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE, UM, NOT PERFORMING USES
IS THAT LIKE A ROAD EASEMENT? WHAT IS THE RED SQUIGGLE? JUST SOUTH AND SUPERIOR.
YOU KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT? RED WALL, THAT'S ONE RIGHT UNDERNEATH.
IT'S A ROAD THAT GOES TO THE HOTEL.
SO THAT'S EXCLUDED BECAUSE IT'S A ROAD
SO THIS IS NOT THE MOST UPDATED AT ALL.
WHY ARE YOU SHOWING US THE NOT MOST UPDATED MAP? I KNOW.
I THOUGHT IF WE WERE GONNA END UP TAKING THIS GO, WHY WE LOOKING AT IT? OH, THAT'S NOT SO THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN THE REPORT THAT WE GOT SENT.
THE REPORT THAT YOU GOT SENT, WE GOT SENT ALSO DOESN'T HAVE THAT IN IT.
BUT THE REPORT THAT WE GOT SENT IN OUR EMAIL HAS A FINAL DRAFT THAT OKAY.
THAT'S GOT THE PROPERTY THERE IS IN BOTH ZONE.
IS THAT, IS THAT THE ROAD FOR THE MOTEL? THE MOTELS? YES.
ALL RIGHT, SO, SO LET'S LOOK AT THE ONE THAT WE GOT EMAIL ON THE 29TH AND NOT THAT ONE SO WE'RE NOT CONFUSING OURSELVES.
AND THAT'S GOT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PIECES.
IS THERE ANYTHING MISSING FROM WHAT WAS SENT IN THAT EMAIL THAT WE WANTED IN THERE? I DON'T THINK THAT THIS MATTERS, BUT OUR, THE CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE IS DIFFERENT.
I'M JUST POINTING OUT IS DIFFERENT AS A DIFFERENT AREA THAN THE GATEWAY AREA.
AND I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE WITH THE RATIONALE THAT WE HAD HAD BEFORE.
SO NOTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
UM, ANYTHING THAT'S IN THERE THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT BEFORE WE PUT A BOW ON THIS AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I THINK WE NEED SOME SORT OF A DIVIDER.
UM, THAT JUST FLAGS LIKE WHAT'S ATTACHMENTS BECAUSE IT LOOKS A LITTLE FUNKY WHEN YOU GO FROM THE MAP RIGHT INTO JUST LIKE ARP FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO MAYBE LIKE A TITLE PAGE THAT SAID WHAT IT IS BEHIND IT ORGANIZATION.
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I MEAN OTHERWISE THEY JUST SORT OF, I MEAN FOR EACH ONE OF THEM, LIKE ATTACHMENT ONE EXCERPT FROM THE COMP EX FOR EACH ONE OF THEM.BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONTEXT.
'CAUSE THEY JUST SORT OF START AND STOP.
I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TO UN UNDERSTAND.
DOES THAT, YEAH, IT MAKES, SO, SO ON PAGE ONE THERE'S A PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS REZONING REPORT.
THEN UNDERNEATH THAT CONFORMANCE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IN THAT SAYS C ATTACHMENT.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE C ATTACHMENT ONE.
AND THEN THE ASSESSMENT MAPPING IDENTIFIES ZONING CHANGES.
SEE REPORT THAT WOULD BE ATTACHMENT TWO.
IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHEN YOU GET TO THE ATTACHMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
OH YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE SPLIT.
THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE COMP PLAN.
AND IT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING 'CAUSE YOU'RE FROM LIKE PAGE EIGHT TO PAGE 11 AND 12 TO PAGE 24.
SO JUST, I THINK IT'S, IT SHOULD STILL JUST SAY EXCERPTS OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA EXPLAIN.
I THINK MAYBE XRP ONE, XO TWO, XRP THREE.
JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOU INITIALLY LOOK AT IT UNLESS YOU LOOK AT THE PAGE NUMBER.
IT JUST, IT MAY NOT BE A PAPER.
BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
TAKING OUT THESE PARTICULAR THINGS FOR EMPHASIS ON THIS AND THEY VOTE ON THE REZONING ANYWAY.
WE'RE JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.
'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW, I MEAN, INSTEAD OF THEM PULLING UP THE PAGES, DO WE JUST WANNA SAY, SEE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PAGES EIGHT AND THEN SEE COMPREHENSION PLAN PAGE ONE.
WE DO THAT AND NOT ATTACH 'EM.
I'D RATHER ATTACH THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO LOOK THESE UP.
UM, ACTUALLY I, BUT I THINK JUST, UM, I CAN JUST PUT A TITLE PAGES OR LIKE TITLE THE, THE TOP OF THE DOC TITLE.
WOULD THAT WORK FOR YOU? YEAH, JUST SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S CLEAR WHAT'S IN THERE.
LIKE EXCERPT FROM BLAH BLAH BLAH OR HOW RIGHT.
'CAUSE THE FIRST PAGE AFTER THE MAP IS OBVIOUSLY JUST FROM A SECTION, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW OTHER THAN IT BEING A
AND THEN THE SECOND PAGE IS A DIFFERENT SECTION.
THE THIRD PAGE GOES WITH THE SEC WITH THE SECOND PAGE AFTER THEN IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO JUST LABELING WHERE THEY EXERT OR FROM AND IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT ON LIKE A, ON A PHONE TOO.
IT'S EVEN HARDER I THINK TO JUST DISTINGUISH WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
SO YOU'RE ADDING SOME SORT OF PAGE, LIKE SINGLE PAGE PRINTER SHEETS WOULD BE, OR EVEN JUST ON THE ACTUAL PAGE STUFF ONLY WOULDN'T A BIG FONT THEY HAVE ON THE PHONE, THEY HAVE FOOTERS.
SO IT'S ALL FROM THE COP PLAN.
BUT REGARDLESS, WE'LL STOP JUMPING FOR YOU.
THAT'S LIKE THE EASIEST THING I'VE EVER ASKED LAUREN FOR.
I, I'M NOT ALL I FELT LIKE I WAS ADDING, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT.
I THINK OTHERWISE IT'S, THIS IS THE MAP WE TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T LEAVE ANY HALF ZONED THINGS.
AND WE LEFT SUPERIOR OUT IN THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE OF NONCONFORMING USES.
SO LIKE THE MAP, RIGHT? SEEMINGLY GOOD.
ALRIGHT, SO COVER SHEETS FOR THE ATTACHMENTS.
ANY OTHER ADDITIONS? ANYTHING WE SHOULD TAKE OUT? NO.
UM, WHAT ACTUALLY, YES, I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD ADD IN HERE IS, UM, THE, THE ACTUAL SECTION FOR THE CAMP OWNER TO CHANGE.
LIKE WHAT THE THE CODE, THE CRITERIA WHAT AND WHAT'S IN THERE? PARDON? I HAD THE SECTION ZONING CODE REFERENCE.
SO THAT IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THEY CAN HAVE THE CRITERIA IN FRONT OF THEM OR THE, UM, IT IS SO PER SECTION 2 8 0 DASH 3 4 0 OH DO YOU MEAN YOU WANNA ATTACH THE CODE AS AN ATTACHMENT TO YEAH.
'CAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM ALL THIS CONTEXT FROM THE COMP PLAN, WE MIGHT AS WELL GIVE THEM THE ALLOWED USES AND CRITERIA AND THE CODE.
BUT THEY'RE, SO THIS IS THE ONLY AREA THAT WOULD HAVE THIS BECAUSE IT'S CAMP ROAD INTERCHANGE.
UM, I MEAN IF THEY'RE VOTING ON THE CODE WITHOUT HAVING THE CODE.
I MEAN, I, I THINK WE'RE FEEDING TO TOO MUCH.
YEAH, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS.
THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY THEY KIND ARE DOING THEIR THING.
WE ALSO DOCUMENT SOME NEW BOARD MEMBERS WHO, UH, WEREN'T PART OF THE, UH, ORIGINAL.
I MEAN, DON'T INCLUDE IT IF YOU, IF IT'S OVERKILL, BUT I WAS JUST MAKING A COMPREHENSIVE, I I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROWNUPS AND IF THEY WANT THE INFORMATION, THEY COULD GET IT.
THEY HAVE A LOT, THEY HAVE A LOT OF AVENUES TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
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UM, SO, BUT THAT'S, I I DON'T KNOW.I'M, I'M JUST GIVING MY, THERE'S ONE OPINION THAT SAYS WE SHOULD ADD IT.
I I AGREE WITH UM, BILL THAT WE DON'T NEED IT.
LIKE, SO WE GOT THREE DON'T NEEDS IT.
WHICH WAY ARE YOU GOING? BECAUSE I'M THE TIEBREAKER HERE.
SO I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT.
I GUESS WHEN I WOULD READ IT, I WOULD HAVE THE CODE OPEN IN A DIFFERENT TAB.
SO I'D BE READING IT SIDE BY SIDE.
SO I, I GUESS IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TOGETHER.
BUT YOU WOULD WANT TO CODE? NO, WE DON'T NEED THE CODE ATTACHED TO IT BECAUSE I WOULD BE READING THE CODE ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, LIKE TWO TABS SIDE BY SIDE TO HAVE IT PREPARED.
ARE YOU SENDING THIS TO THEM VIA EMAIL? YES.
THAT WELL, I CAN SUPPORT, THEY'LL PROBABLY LINK THE CODE IN THE EMAIL THAT THEY SAY LIKE, HERE'S WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD DID, HERE'S THE CODE, HERE'S ALL THE YEAH.
AND THEY'RE PAID TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSULTANTS.
US CONSULTING MIGHT BE US A LITTLE GOING TOO FAR.
I JUST, I JUST, OH MY GOODNESS.
WE'RE GET YOU, YOU THEY DIDN'T LIKE MY COVER PAGE EITHER, SO WHATCHA EXPECTING.
WHERE'S MY UP ABOUT THIS? ALRIGHT, YOUR REPORT'S GREAT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO A RESOLUTION WHERE WE ADD THINGS.
I KNOW HOW TO DO ONE WHERE WE SAY WE GIVE THE, ATTACHED THE, THE, UH, THE REPORT THAT WAS ATTACHED ON THE 29TH CHANGE OUT REQUESTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF JUST COVER PAGES AND WE GO BACK TO ALCHEMY SHORES.
THEY MADE THE CHANGE ON THE ALCOHOL SALES AND IT WAS VAGUE WHEN THE TOWN BOARD DISCUSSED IT AND NOW WE'RE HAVING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
I DON'T THINK OUR COVER PAGES ARE QUITE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE QUITE AS CONTROVERSIAL EITHER, BUT I'M JUST, IT'S, IT'S A LOT CLEANER FOR ME TO SAY, HEY, DO WE, WE WANNA VOTE ON THE LIST OF THE 29TH ATTORNEY BOGLE IS IN THE MIDDLE BY SAYING LIKE, I'M GONNA GET THEM ON THE COVER PAGES.
ARE WE GOOD THEN WITH THE MINOR EDITORIAL CHANGES? I, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A, A RESOLUTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD WITH THE MINOR EDITORIAL CHANGES WE JUST DISCUSSED.
THIS, A MOTION BY BILL, SECOND BY CAITLYN M.
YOU HAVE SOME MINUTES, RIGHT? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 20TH, UH, MEETING.
ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? I THINK EVERYONE'S HERE FOR THAT MEETING.
A RECORD SETTING SPEED OF YOUR MEETING.