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ITM, UH, GOOD EVENING.MATTHEW OATS WITH HENDERSON DEVELOPMENT, UH, REQUESTING AN ITM.
UM, ACTUALLY THAT'S A INTERACTIVE TELLER MACHINE VERSUS A TYPICAL ATM.
THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE NEXT STEP IN TECHNOLOGY.
SO IT FUNCTIONS JUST LIKE A NORMAL ATM, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THE OPTION, UH, INTERACTING WITH THE TELLER AS WELL.
CITIZENS IS TAKING THE OTHER END CAP SPACE IN THE STARBUCKS BUILDING.
SO THEY'RE DOING A TENANT BUILD OUT THERE TAKING THAT EXISTING SPACE IN THE STARBUCKS BUILDING.
SO THEY'RE DOING, SO FOR THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, THE PROPOSED ITM IS GOING UP ALONG THE ROAD RIGHT IN EXISTING PARKING STALL.
THE CLOSET DOES HAVE ENOUGH PARKING AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, PROVIDED THE SHARED PARKING STUDY TO SHOW THAT THE SITE DOES HAVE ENOUGH PARKING IN THE END WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE PARKING STALLS.
THAT THERE IN THE INSTALLATION OF THE ITM, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY A NET ADDING OF GREEN SPACE BASED ON HOW THE OVERALL ATM LANE FLOWS, SO THAT IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN SPACE THAN JUST THAT IS THERE.
AND THEN WE'LL PROVIDE STAFF FULL OF CARS IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AS WELL.
SO HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE ABOUT THE BUDGETS.
THE UM, THE
SO IT'LL JUST BE MORE OF A RETAIL BRANCH AND THEN YOU'RE CORRECT.
THEY'LL HAVE THE REMOTE ITM AND THEN WE'LL JUST BE RUNNING, UH, UNDERGROUND FIBER OPTIC LINES BACK FROM THE BRANCH JUST TO THE ITMS. NO.
HAVE YOU NOTICED ANY LIKE LONGER WAIT TIMES WITH THESE ITMS VERSUS ATMS? LIKE DWELL, I MEAN DWELL TIME ISN'T RIGHT THE RIGHT TERM, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC, AND I CAN FIND OUT FROM CITIZENS THERE WOULD BE A, A COUPLE MINUTES LONGER JUST IF SOMEONE IS THERE INTERACTING MORE THAN JUST AN AT TM, BUT NOTHING THAT WE FOUND THAT CREATES LIKE A SIGNIFICANT STACK.
I WOULD KIND OF PUT IT MORE TO A DRIVE UP TELL WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE THE DRIVE UP DOWN TO THE, AT TM LINE, YOU MAY GET LIKE THAT EXTRA CAR THAT IS THERE, BUT NOTHING THAT THEN STACKS UP 5, 6, 7 70.
'CAUSE THAT WAS JUST MY ONE CONCERN IS LIKE THE STACKING AND THEN THE, THE PROXIMITY OF THIS DRIVE OFF TO THE INTERSECTION THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT PEOPLE REALLY USE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF SCOOT IN OVER AT THE, WHENEVER THE REST OF THE STORES ARE AND STUFF.
BUT IF, WHEN YOU'RE THEN PULLING OUT OF THE STOP, IF YOU WERE TO SHIFT DOWN, SAVE TWO MORE SPACES TO THEN ALLOW FOR MORE CLEARANCE IN THE, THAT DIAGRAM UP OR NO? YEAH.
IF YOU WANNA BEAR WITH, IT'S JUST BEING A BIT ODD WITH GIVING THE, SO YOU MUTE YOUR COMPUTER.
YEAH, I THINK IT TO MUTE VOLUME ALL THE WAY DOWN JUST ON THE SPEAKER COMPUTER.
SO THEN THE THIRD PAGE OF THE POWERPOINT HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BLOW UP THAT AH, YEAH, SO THAT'S THE, SO THE WAY THAT THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE YEAH.
SHOWS RIGHT, THAT LIKE THIS, LIKE THIS PROXIMITY OF PULLING IN THE, YOU KNOW, ING UP, BEEN INTO THIS SORT OF INTERACTION.
IS IT FEASIBLE TO LIKE SHIP DOWN INTO LIKE TWO MORE SPOTS SO THAT THIS DOESN'T BECOME THAT SORT OF CLUSTER THAT IT COULD BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOW REALIZING THAT THEY CAN'T DRIVE UP TO THE CITIZENS BANK THAT THEY SEE THEY HAVE TO GO OVER HERE JUST
I MEAN WE, WE EVEN HAVE ROOM WITHOUT ACTUALLY EVEN SHIFTING THAT JUST TO KIND OF PULL THE, TURNING OVER TO THIS VERY, VERY GRADUAL TURN.
SO JUST LOOKING TO GET A LITTLE MORE SEPARATION FROM THE ACTUAL
THEY'RE MAKE IT SO PEOPLE WOULD STACK IN THE PARKING LOT, NOT AT THE ENTRANCE.
OH, SO FLIP THE ORDER OF THE ROUTE? WELL, WELL YOU WOULD HAVE, RIGHT? YOU'D HAVE TO GO PAST IT AND TURN AROUND UP THERE.
THERE IS, I MEAN I DON'T, I WOULDN'T EXPECT THERE TO BE LIKE A, LIKE RIGHT 6, 8, 10.
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I MEAN THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WOULD THEN BE TO BASICALLY BLOCK THE DRIVE.LIKE WOULD BE LITERALLY BLOCK THAT DRIVE LANE OFF THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? TO KIND OF HAVE TO PHYSICALLY FORCE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ABLE TO THEN DO AND CHANGE THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN TO DO THAT.
IS THIS GONNA HAVE ATM CAPABILITY OR ADDITION? YES, IT'LL HAVE.
SO IT FUNCTIONS AS A REGULAR ATM AS WELL, BUT IT HAS THE EXTRA ADDED VIDEO CABLE.
THAT BE MARKED SOMEHOW SO PEOPLE DON'T DRIVE IN OR THINKING IT'S UH, A NORMAL BANK AND THEY GET OUT AND GO IN.
HOW, HOW, HOW WILL THAT BE? WELL THERE IS A NORMAL, THERE IS A NORMAL BANK THERE.
SO THE CITIZENS BANK ISN'T, IS GOING IN AS THE TENANT BASED IN THE STARBUCKS GO.
SIGNAGE IS THE CITIZENS BANK AND THEN THIS WILL BE THE SEPARATE STANDALONE A-T-M-I-T-M STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE THAT YOU'RE TYPICALLY USING SEATS.
AND WE DO HAVE, ON THE LAST PAGE THERE IS THE ELEVATION AS WELL.
THE CITIZENS BANK GREEN AND THEN IT HAS A LITTLE CANOPY OVER IT, BUT IT'S THE, IT IS THE STANDARD DRIVE UP ATM THAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING.
SO THAT OTHER BANKS HAVE AS WELL A LITTLE MORE TECHNOLOGY.
THAT AND THEY USE IT A LITTLE BIT SOMETHING JUST TO ADD SOME EXTRA HOURS AS WELL IF NECESSARY OR IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WALKING INTO A BANK NOWADAYS.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF TWO OF THE EXTRA THINGS THAT THEY, THEY CAN, IF THEY WANT TO CHOOSE TO DO, IS THIS EXPECTED TO, SO THERE'S ALREADY A CITIZENS BANK LIKE IN THE TOPS.
WE'RE EXPECTING THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAVE ANY BEARING ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THAT'S RELEVANT OR NOT, BUT THIS IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR ANOTHER FACILITY.
THIS IS ITS OWN STANDALONE UNIT.
I DON'T KNOW IF CI I, TO BE HONEST, I CAN FIND OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS SPECIFICALLY IF IT'S A RELOCATION FOR US IN THE PLAZA.
IT'S A NEW, IT'S A NEW TENANT SO I'M NOT AWARE THAT IT REPLACING ANYTHING.
BUT I CAN FIND OUT FROM CITIZENS THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON CLOSING ANYTHING OR I JUST DUNNO THAT ANSWER.
I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT'S THERE, BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER ENHANCED, YOU KNOW, FLOWER BEDS OR SCENERY OR ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO TIE THIS PART TOGETHER? I APPRECIATE THE ADDITION OF THE, THE GREEN SPACE AND THAT SOME TREES GOING IN, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO ENHANCE THAT, THAT'D BE ESPECIALLY IN LINE WITH UM, SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S GOING.
CAN WE ADD SOMETHING AGAIN ELSE FOR THAT? WHERE ARE WE? THIS IS WHERE STARBUCKS IS.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT DOING ALONG THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND A COUPLE EXTRA BEDS, JUST LIKE SOME LOW LEVEL SHRUBS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
IS THAT A SIDEWALK? THAT'S THE NON GREEN STRIP.
YEAH THERE'S THE, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ALONG THERE.
SO YEAH, SO THAT'S, SO GO SAY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THEN THE CURB.
WE CAN JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE ON SOME STRUGGLE.
THAT'S EXACTLY JUST TO ENHANCE THAT PLANNING RIGHT NOW WE HAD A COUPLE TREES AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IN.
NOW WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD SOME MORE FOR THAT.
MAKE IT MAKE IT PRETTY ON THE STREET SIDE.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED? NOTHING.
SO THE NEXT THING WE WOULD WOULD DO IS TABLE IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK? I LONG GET NEXT AVAILABLE UH, MARCH.
SO IS THERE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION.
WE TABLE CITIZEN JTM IITM UNTIL UNTIL MARCH 20TH.
AND YOU SAID IN PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? PUBLIC HEARING.
OUR NEXT UH, WORK SESSION CASE IS UM, EARNHARDT DEVELOPMENT GROUP, UH, REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PLEASANT AVENUE BETWEEN 3 6, 7 6 AND 5 4 1 PLEASANT AVENUE.
UM, THIS LAND WAS SUBJECT TO PREVIOUSLY THE A 30 LOT SUBDIVISION I BELIEVE.
HOWEVER, THINGS THE UM, REQUIREMENTS HAVE CHANGED AND SO THANK YOU.
UM, AND SO NOW IT'S GOING TO BE FOR LARGE LOTS TO FIT THE NEW CODE CHANGES THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
UM, OF THE SITE IS R ONE AND THE LOTS APPEAR TO MEET ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER AND WE NEED TO UM, DECIDE IF WE WANT TO DO A COORDINATED REVIEW.
AND THIS EVENING WE HAVE UH, CHRIS WOOD WITH IAN WOOD DESIGN.
WE'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, 19.5 ACRES SITE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PLEASANT AVENUE GOING
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TO R ONE WITH THE AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE OVERLAY DISTRICTS APPLIED TO IT.WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS FOUR LOTS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 4.3 ACRES TO 5.6 ACRES.
UM, WE HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IN THIS CASE, UM, THAT'S WHY I HAND OUT THE AERIAL.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE AERIAL THAT THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS FILL SITE BACK IN THE DAY.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS THE THROUGHWAY BILL, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE, FOR THE ROUNDABOUT FILL.
THAT WAS ON THE ROUNDABOUT THOUGH.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VEGETATION ON IT.
THE VEGETATION'S AT BASICALLY THE BOTTOM OF THE SLOPE OF THE FILL AREA.
SO WE WON'T BE DISTURBING ANY OF THE VEGETATION.
I HIGHLIGHTED THE VEGETATION THAT ORANGE ON HERE.
THERE'S ALSO A SANCTUARY SEWER THAT COMES THROUGH.
SO ALL THE LOTS HAVE SANITARY SEWER WITHOUT HAVING TO EXTEND IT.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY, ANY UH, NEW ROADS AND THE LOT SIZES ARE D WELL IN EXCESS OF WHAT ROM REQUIRES FOR FRONTAGE AND LOT SIZE.
SO IF YOU WERE TO GUESSTIMATE WITH THE TURN THERE, WHERE WOULD THE DRIVEWAYS, LIKE IF YOU WERE CITING THOSE, MAYBE BE THE DRIVEWAYS? UH, I MEAN THIS ONE OBVIOUSLY WOULD PROBABLY BE HERE.
THIS ONE REALLY ANYWHERE ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
YEAH, THIS ONE WOULD BE MORE IN THIS DIRECTION ON THIS SIDE AND THIS ONE I WOULD THINK WOULD BE MORE WHERE THE ROAD KIND OF STRAIGHTENED OUT.
YEAH, IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THIS OTHER ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
I THINK WE DO MEET, MEET THE INTENT OF THE AGRICULTURAL OPEN SPACE OVERLAY DISTRICT EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF HERE DOESN'T APPLY.
AND UH, WE ARE WETLANDS ON THE SITE AGAIN AT THE BASE OF THE SLOPE OF THE FILL AREA, WHICH WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON DISTURBING ANY OF THAT.
IS THIS THE SAME SITE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE CUL-DE-SAC FOREVER? YEAH, IT JUST A NEW DESIGN.
OH, I DON'T REMEMBER IT HAVING TWO OF THESE.
THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU WERE ON THE ROAD.
BUT THIS IS THE, IT'S LIKE THE ZZA.
NO, THE OTHER THERE BEEN MULTIPLE, WE SPENT A TON OF TIME.
NO, IT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARK.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP ON THE OTHER PROJECT WHEN IT WAS IN FRONT OF US AS WE WERE DOING SEEKER AND REVIEW WAS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS FILL AND I THINK THAT UM, WE HAD ASKED IF IT WAS LIKE PHASE ONE SA DATA JUST TO CONFIRM BECAUSE IT WAS HISTORIC FILL AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAD HAD THAT OR PROVIDED IT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE BILL ON SITE, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD IS IF YOU'RE DIGGING OUT EXCAVATING FOUNDATIONS AND YOU KNOW, JUST SOME SORT OF INFORMATION TO BACKFILL ON THAT FRONT.
YEAH, I CAN SEE IF THEY HAVE A PHASE ONE OR TESTING THAT THEY MAY HAVE DONE IT ACTUALLY.
YEAH, THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE SO I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE, I DIDN'T DO THE ENGINEERING ON THAT ONE BUT UH, I'LL FIND OUT.
AND UH, THAT OLD PROJECT WAS DISTURBING HALF AN ACRE WETLANDS.
OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE ISN'T GONNA DISTURB ANY OF THE WETLANDS.
WELL THIS IS IS NOWHERE NEAR ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED THERE.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN A TON OF LOTS.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION SHOULD BE ARE WE GOING TO DO A COORDINATED REVIEW OR NOT? I THINK WE MIGHT WANNA DO YES, BECAUSE THERE'S THE WET ONES IN THE BACK AND THERE'S THE SEWER, THERE'S LIKE A WATER SEWER LINE THAT CUTS THROUGH AND THEN BLUE IN THE BLUE AND JUST TO GET ANY INPUT FROM ANY OF THOSE INDUSTRY, THE AGENCIES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, AND WE DID SEEKER ON THE OTHER PROJECTS AND I THINK ISSUED NEGATIVE DECKS.
THIS ONE IS A MUCH SMALLER IMPACT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE WOULD NEED TO BE THE COORDINATOR TO DO IT, BUT RIGHT.
I MEAN IN MY OPINION BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY INFRASTRUCTURE OR ANY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST SPLITTING THE LOTS AND BUILDING FOUR HOUSES.
WE DID A NEGATIVE DECK ON MULTIPLE CUL-DE-SACS TRAILS, WETLAND IMPACTS.
HOW DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE PREVIOUS SEEKER THAT WAS DONE? DO YOU KNOW, HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT WHEN IT WOULD'VE BEEN BEFORE DONE, SARAH, THE DATE COME HERE.
BUT THIS IS A MUCH LESSER PROJECT.
IT'S A MUCH LESSER PROJECT WITH A REDUCED SET OF IMPACTS.
I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE GROUND AND THERE WERE SOME CONDITIONS ON THAT AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY PULL THAT UP 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS ABOUT THE BASEMENT FOUNDATIONS AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE EXCAVATION, IF I'M REMEMBERING RIGHT.
I THINK WE, THEY MET THE CONDITIONS FOR US TO ISSUE THE NEGATIVE BACK, WHICH WE WOULDN'T HAVE WITH THOSE QUESTIONS STILL OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THEY DID, DID GET THAT, THOSE UNDER PHASES AND GOT THE INFORMATION TO US.
BUT IT COULD BE, I MEAN MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE THEY HAD TO DO THOUGH AT THE TIME OF BASEMENT, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THIS PROJECT.
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WELL HOW DOES THAT IMPACT LIFT FLAT APPROVAL? WE'LL HAVE TO DO SEEKER ON IT.THOUGHT WE JUST SAID THAT THERE WERE NEGATIVE DECKS AND THE SAME WELL I'M ASKING HOW LONG AGO THEY WERE DONE.
SO THE ONLY THINGS I CAN THINK OF IS, IT MIGHT BE LONG ENOUGH WE GO THE OLDER WETLAND DONATION MIGHT NOT BE VALID, BUT HAVING WALKED THE SITE MYSELF, THE SLOPE IS PRETTY STEEP AT THE TOP THERE AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE CONTOUR LINES.
AND THEN I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THE RAISED BIT HAS ANY WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING.
YEAH, DON'T MOST, THERE'S MINIMAL TOP, YOU COULD SAY PRIME, GRASSY TICK HABITAT MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
SO CHRIS, YOU'RE SAYING, DO YOU HAVE ANY, WAS THIS BACK IN 2019? DO YOU THINK THAT IT WAS DONE? UH, 2018, FOUR MIGHT BE A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE THAT.
I THINK IT WAS 2000 I WAS ON THE BOARD.
SO I THINK IF WE COULD FIND THOSE BEFORE WE MOVE AHEAD.
THEN UM, MAYBE WE CAN TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, FIND THAT INFORMATION SO WE KNOW AND THEN WE CAN MAKE OUR DECISIONS FROM THERE.
HOW'S THAT? DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? OKAY.
AND WHAT, GIVEN THIS IS A MINOR, MINOR CYCLE IN THE MAJOR SITE PLAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE STEPS AFTER SEEKER THERE? REALLY NO ENGINEERING REVIEW.
THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
YEAH, BUT I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING AHEAD WITHOUT THE INFORMATION.
IF WE CAN FIND THE PREVIOUS, THEN EVERYBODY WILL HAVE IT.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THE BOARD WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME.
YEAH, SO I I DON'T WANNA DO IT BY BASED ON MEMORY, BUT WE'LL HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US.
YOU COME AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL JUST MOVE AFTER THAT.
UM, DO I, YOU NEED A MOTION? WHEN DO WE WANNA ARE, WHEN ARE YOU AVAILABLE TO COME BACK? WE, YEAH, A MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS, THE AIRHART DEVELOPMENT GROUP TO THE MARCH
SO IT'S BEEN MOTION AND SECONDED BUT TO UM, TABLE TO MARCH 2ND.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
WE'RE GONNA DO OUR NEXT CASE FOR PUBLIC HEARING OR FOR WORK SESSION AND THAT'S 3 8 0 0 HOOVER LLC REQUESTING A SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT ONE TWO STORY 12 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING AND ONE FOUR STORY 44 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING AT AND I NEED TO VERIFY WE'VE GOT THE CORRECT ADDRESSES DO WE? THE 3,800 HOOVER AND THEN IT'S 38 30 BAYVIEW.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, IT'S BAYVIEW, NOT, THEY'RE BOTH ON HOOVER.
SO IT'S 38 0 0, UM, HOOVER ROAD AND 3 8 3 3 BAYVIEW HAMBURG.
AND I WOULD JUST MENTION PER ONLY FOR PURPOSE OF FUTURE AGENDAS, IT'S A THREE STORY 12 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING.
12 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING AND A FOUR STORY.
YOU HAVE THE FOUR STORY, JUST THE 12 UNIT BUILDING SHOULD BE THREE STORY, NOT THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
BUT FOR PURPOSE OF FUTURE DOUGLAS.
SO THREE ONE AND I JUST NOTICED IT NOW.
ONE THREE STORY 12 UNIT APARTMENT.
AND ONE FOUR STORY, RIGHT? IT'S A TWO, IT'S A THREE STORY 12 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING AT 3,800 HOOVER.
AND THEN A FOUR STORY 44 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING AT 38, 33 HOOVER.
SO, AND I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS BEFORE YOU GET GOING IS IF THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS OR IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT 'EM AS ONE PROJECT.
WELL, SO MY POSITION ON THIS, AND OF COURSE I WELCOME INPUT IS THEY ARE TECHNICALLY TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.
BUT GIVEN THEY INVOLVE THE SAME APPLICANT IN THE GEOGRAPHIC PROXIMITY ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO CONSIDER THEM ONE QUOTE UNQUOTE ACTION FOR PURPOSES OF SEEKER.
AND AGAIN, I DEFER TO YOU, BUT YEAH, IT'D BE HELPFUL IF WE CAN LEAD WITH THAT INPUT THIS EVENING.
SO WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JEFF, UM, CODE SOURCE AND FROM A DBA PERSPECTIVE.
HE SAID WE LOOK AT IT TWO WAYS.
IF YOU WANT TO GO AT, YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT SEPARATELY, THEN WE NEED TWO USE VARIANCES.
RIGHT? BUT IF YOU WANNA COMBINE IT AS ONE AND JUST GET ONE USE VARIANCE THAT HE WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU MERGE THE, THE ASSESSMENT OFFICE AND THEN IT WOULD THAT SUBDIVIDING 3,800 WHO ARE FROM THE GALA, RIGHT? THAT ON.
SO THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T THINK WE CAN MERGE THESE TWO LOTS BECAUSE THEY'RE ON OPPOSITE SIDE IN THE ROADWAY.
SO WE DON'T WANT YOU TO KEEP THEM AS, SO THEY WOULD BE SEPARATE PROJECTS.
THAT'S WHAT I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE WANT DO.
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WHAT WE DID WITH THE WETZEL APARTMENTS AND UH, MANKO MANKO.WE LOOKED AT THOSE SERVICE CONNECT AND RELATED ACTIONS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DOES EVERYONE KIND OF AGREE ON THAT? I, I'M, NO I DON'T.
WHY? BECAUSE IT TWO SEPARATE ADDRESSES AND THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER.
SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
BUT IF WE DO 'EM SEPARATELY THEN WE DON'T LOOK AT THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS WHERE IF WE DO THE SEEKER TOGETHER, WE CAN LOOK AT THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF BOTH PROJECTS.
SO WE WOULD DO THE SITE PLAN AND THE PERMITTING APPROVALS WILL BE SEPARATE, BUT SEEKER SEEKER WE WOULD DO TOGETHER TO ADDRESS BOTH.
SO ONLY ONE ACTION PER SEEKER.
SINGLE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS IS GONNA ADD SO MANY CARS, THE OTHER ONE'S GONNA ADD OTHER ONES.
SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAVE BOTH.
AND OF COURSE THAT AVOIDS ANYONE CLAIMING ITS SEGMENTATION.
SO WE'LL START WITH, WE DID TWO SEPARATE PRESENTATIONS FOR THIS EVENING, BY THE WAY.
WITH ME IS TOM FOX FROM PUBLIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE GONNA START WITH 3,800 HOOVER.
I ALSO WANT NOTE WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE PRESENTED IT TO THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE I THINK ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS, UM, DURING THE COURSE OF 2003, 2023.
SO THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE.
UM, THE SITE ITSELF IS APPROXIMATELY 0.9 ACRES.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS A THREE STORY BUILDING OR WHAT'S THERE TODAY IS A THREE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN VACANT LAND.
WE'RE PROPOSING AND ASSESS THE WRONG A THREE STORY APARTMENT, THREE STORY APARTMENT.
AND KEEP IN MIND WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE LAKESIDE PORTION OF THE SITE.
THE OTHER ONE'S 30, THE OTHER ONE'S BAYVIEW.
AND THERE YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED THREE STORY 12 UNIT BUILDING.
WE'RE ALSO DEPICTING 13 PARKING SPACES, GREEN SPACE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDINGS AND THEN ALONG THE EDGE OF THE LAKE.
WHICH PROJECT DOES REQUIRE A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF APPROVALS, INCLUDING NOT ONLY SITE PLAN AND MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL BY THIS BOARD, BUT IT WILL REQUIRE A REVIEW BY THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE AND THEN SEPARATELY A USE VARIANCE AND AREA VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY FILED A VARIANCE APPLICATION FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT IT WAS FILED IN DECEMBER OF 2022 TO HAVE TO UPDATE THAT SUBMISSION, UH, PER JEFF'S REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE AREA VARIANCES FOR? I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY NEED A COUPLE SETBACK VARIANCES.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, FRONT YARD SETBACK.
I BELIEVE IN WATERFRONT COMMERCIALS, 30 FEET PAVEMENT SETBACK IS 35 FEET.
THERE'LL BE A COUPLE OF YARD VARIANCES.
SO AND YOU'RE TAKING DOWN THE COWBOY? NO, THAT'S STADIUM WHICH WILL BUILD ON THE ADJACENT.
HAVE HE LIFTED? IT'S NOT BEEN LISTED.
SO THE TO I BELIEVE RECOMMENDED DESIGNATION A LONG TIME AGO.
TOM AND I BOTH FOLLOWED UP SEVERAL TIMES, BUT WE NEVER RECEIVED ANY NOTICE OF IT ACTUALLY BEING DESIGNATED.
IT HAS, WE'VE JUST GOT NOTICE.
WITHIN THE LAST WEEK I THINK DOES NOT YET.
ACCORDING TO LEONA, I DON'T THINK SO.
'CAUSE YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THERE WAS A NOTIFICATION OF US ORIGINALLY AND THEN WE, WE RESPONDED AND THEN SINCE THEN, I THINK GOAD HEARD WAS THAT THE TOWN WAS TRYING TO FER THIRD PARTY POTENTIALLY TO HELP SUPPORT THE APPLICATION FOR, SO I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ONE OF MY 60,000 EMAILS, BUT I COULD HAVE SWORN THAT WE GOT NOTIFICATION OF THAT.
IT'S THE, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SPEAK? SURE, COME ON UP.
UM, WELL ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS WE HAVE STARTED THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING IT AS A LANDMARK WORTHY OF PRESERVATION, WORTHY OF BECOMING A HISTORIC LANDMARK.
THE PROCESS WAS STARTED AND THEN IT WAS SLOWED DOWN.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WAS I THINK WE WERE, UM, THERE WAS A CONCEPT THAT WE WOULD FIRST HIRE A CONSULTANT DO, UM, A STUDY OF THE AREAS ALONG THE LAKE THAT WERE WORTHY OF PRESERVATION.
UM, BEFORE WE PROCEEDED WITH THIS, IT'S KIND OF AN INVOLVED PROCESS INVOLVING HEARINGS.
UM, IDENTIFY THIS AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK, BUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE FOR CO UH, COMMISSION FOR THE TOWN HAS ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS.
SO HOW LONG NORMALLY DOES THE PROCESS TAKE LESS TIME THAN THIS?
AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD CONDUCTS THE HEARINGS? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IT'S THE TOWN BOARD THAT HAS PASSES THE RESOLUTION TO, TO DO SUCH.
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THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS JUST AN ADVISORY COMMISSION AND THAT'S IN THE LOCAL LAW.SO THEY DON'T MAKE THE DESIGNATION THAT TOWN MOORE DOES BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
THAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
AND THE GOOD NEWS IS FOR SEEKER, IF SOMETHING'S ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORICAL CONSIDERATION, WE CAN CONSIDER IT A HISTORICAL IF WE DEEM THAT IT IS FOR THE SECRET PROCESS.
AND I, SO WHETHER IT'S ACTIONS DEEMED THAT FOR OUR PURPOSES ISN'T REALLY RELEVANT BECAUSE WE CAN, IF WE THINK IT IS WORTHY OF IT, WE CAN THINK OF IT AS HISTORICAL THROUGH OUR PROCESS.
AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE WHICH EFFECT OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THAT BILL.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD MENTION IS WHEN WE FILED THE PAPERWORK TO IDENTIFY IT AS A HISTORIC POTENTIAL HISTORIC LANDMARK, WE FILED IT AT 3 8 0 0 HOOVER ROAD.
WE DID NOT SEPARATE WHETHER WE WERE GONNA, UM, BECAUSE IT, THE, THE PLA THE AREA ACTUALLY INCLUDES THE BAYVIEW HOTEL AND THIS VACANT LAND WHERE THEY USED TO PLAY VOLLEYBALL.
SO OUR FILING IN, IN, UM, IDENTIFIES ACTION THE ENTIRE SITE PIECE.
THAT THE SAME PERSON IT IS, BUT KEEP MIND AND AGAIN, I DEFER TO YOUR COUNSEL IN TERMS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAW, YOU'RE DESIGNATED STRUCTURE IS NOT PROBLEM.
SO I SO MY RECOLLEC AND YOU'RE NOT DOING, ULTIMATELY IT'S A DECISION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING WITH NOTICE TO THE APPLICANT.
SO I THINK IN NOTICE TO THE ORDER, I THINK WHAT WE'D ASKED FOR BEFORE WHEN THIS CAME UP AND I THINK WHAT WE WOULD WANNA SEE IS BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF ELIGIBLE FOR NATIONAL REGISTER LISTING.
I THINK WE WOULD WANT YOU TO CONSULT WITH THE SHIPPO.
WELL I THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN AS PART OF COORDINATOR.
SO I THINK WE WILL WANNA DO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT AND, AND GET ANY INPUT THAT WE CAN FROM THE STATE HISTORY.
SO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ONE OF THE AGENCIES THAT GETS, AND IF THEY WANT ANYTHING FROM A A HISTORIC VIEWSHED PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD GET CORPORATION FOR OUR ADVISORY BOARDS.
BUT I THINK WE'D REALLY WANT THEIR INPUT.
AND IF YOU WANTED TO START INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM THAT MAY BE BENEFICIAL TO KEEP THE SCHEDULE FROM THERE.
YEAH, YOU.YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? THERE'S THE, UM, RENDERING THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED OF THIS PROPOSED BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL STYLE AGAIN, 12 UNITS HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS, AN ASPHALT SHINGLED RESIDENTIAL STYLE SLOPE ROOF.
SO WE HAVE SPENT A GOOD DEAL OF TIME ON THESE ELEVATIONS OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND THEN NEXT SLIDE THAT'S A COLOR RENDERING OF THAT EXACT SAME BUILDING.
SO BASICALLY ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS EVENING, BEING THAT IT'S A WORK SESSION, IS FOR YOU TO ADAPT A RESOLUTION SEEKING LEAD AGENCY STATUS.
AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE LEAD AGENCY STATUS FOR BOTH THIS PROJECT AND BAYVIEW.
I BELIEVE WE ALSO SHOULD BE ASKING FOR A FORMAL REFERRAL TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
I THINK THAT'S THE NEW PROCESS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU HAVE RELATIVE TO THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT, EITHER TOM OR I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS 'EM.
ARE, ARE YOU LEAVING THE SAW SOMEWHERE? THE PARKING? IS PUBLIC PARKING ON THE ONE ON BAYVIEW? ARE YOU LEAVING SOME OF THAT AS, IS IT ALL GONNA BE TENANT PARKING? IT'S, YEAH.
SO CAN WE GO BACK TO THE CARD PLAN? THE SITE PLAN.
SO THE PARKING SPACE IS ON SITE, WHICH WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE WOULD BE FOR THE TENANTS OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE REST OF THE PARKING LOT IS FOR THE PUBLIC.
YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT BABY RIGHT NOW, WHICH WOULD BE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION.
BUT IF YOU SEE THAT DARK BROWN LINE TO THE EAST 61 SPACES AND THE EAST OF FOUR STORY BUILDING, WE'VE GOT DEDICATED SPACES WOULD BE FENCED IN FOUR THE TENANTS.
EVERYTHING EAST OF THAT TOWARDS THE GO-KART TREK WOULD ALL BE OPEN PUBLIC OR LEAST STILL FOR THE COWBOY AND OTHER, OTHER USES OF MUSHROOM.
OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
BUT TRACTOR HOOVER, THIS IS PUBLIC.
WELL YES, THERE'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF, THERE'S ONLY HANDFUL.
AND HOW MANY RESIDENTS WOULD THERE BE? WELL THERE'S, AND THERE THERE'D BE, THERE'D BE OVERFLOW AS WELL FROM THAT INTO, REMEMBER WE HAVE ALL THAT OVERFLOW PART.
SO I GUESS A QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE, THE FORMER, UH, HOTEL IS BEING CONSIDERED BY THE COMMUNITY FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK STATUS, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO THE AESTHETICS OF THE OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING AND THE ONE THAT THE, THE OTHER PROPOSAL TO HAVE A MORE, UM, CONSISTENT LOOK OR STYLE TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT A HISTORIC HOTEL NEXT DOOR RATHER THAN OBVIOUSLY THIS LOOKS LIKE A MUCH MORE MODERN BUILDING.
IS THERE SOME SORT OF ELEMENTS OR DESIGN THAT COULD BRING A MORE HISTORIC VIBE TO THE STRUCTURE? AND WE, WE'D CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT MR. MCC CORNER.
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GOTTA KEEP IN MIND WE DO A SHIPPO ALL THE TIME.YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS THE COMPLIMENTARY VERSUS SIMILAR.
AND OFTENTIMES WE WERE NOT SHIPPO COMES BACK SAYING, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING THAT'S COMPLIMENTARY BUT DON'T TRY AND MIMIC SOMETHING THAT'S HISTORIC WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NEW.
SO IT WOULD
SO IT'D BE HELPFUL TO GET SOME OF THAT INPUT MAYBE FROM THEM.
WE COULD BRING THEM TO THE TABLE SOONER.
SO IF THEY HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAN SEE THOSE.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THOSE WOULD SEE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT I KNOW THIS YEAH, THIS, IF IT FROM SHIFT'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN UNRELATED PROJECT.
'CAUSE WE ARE POSING HAVING, YOU KNOW, SPLITTING THAT PROPERTY ON, ON UBER.
UM, BUT I WILL ADD, SEAN DID MENTION, WE'VE HAD A FEW MEETINGS WITH THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE ON THIS.
UM, WE'VE PRESENTED TO THEM, UM, VARIOUS STYLE OF ELEVATIONS WITH THIS BUILDING AND ONE ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, WE STARTED OUT MORE TRADITIONAL, MORE NAUTICAL, UH, LOOKING, UM, DIFFERENT COLOR PALETTE AND WE TAKING FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THAT GROUP, UH, UH, REFERRING TO, UH, MORE EXAMPLES OF, OF MODERN NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TO GO IN MORE IN THIS DIRECTION.
SO, UM, WE'VE HAD, UH, ONE MEETING WITH THAT GROUP, UM, UNDER THESE, UH, REVISED ELEVATIONS.
UM, AND NOT WITH THESE, NOT WITH THESE COLOR RENDERINGS YET, BUT UH, WITH A STRAIGHT ON FLAT ELEVATION THAT THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
UM, AND THE RESPONSE I THINK IS PRETTY POSITIVE FROM THAT GROUP.
YEAH, I MEAN, IS THERE, IT'S VERY GRAY.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S VERY BLACK AND WHITE GRAY.
THEN THE COLOR RENDERINGS ARE, UH, YEAH, IT'S, I THAT THAT BE MY COMMENT.
YEAH, MAYBE NOT, BUT, BUT THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M NOT, I MEAN I THINK IT HER OF COLORS, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY.
YEAH, THE GROUP WAS, WAS DIVIDED ON THAT, BUT THERE WAS DEFINITELY A, A, A, UM, HIGHER DEGREE OF INTEREST AND THAN MORE OF A CLEAN, MODERN LOOK LIKE THIS.
SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANTED TO TRY AND PLEASE THAT GROUP, UM, IN OTHER DISCUSSIONS, BUT NOTHING SET IN STONE.
SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT SHIPPO HAS TO SAY ABOUT GOING A MORE HISTORIC OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY THINK COMPLEMENTARY MIGHT BE.
AND AGAIN, WITH WITH WHICH, IN TERMS OF SHIPPO, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH SHIPPO GOING ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN SEPARATE, I MEAN, SO BE A SPLIT PROPERTY, SEPARATE OWNERSHIP.
I MEAN THEY SHOULD HAVE A LIMITED REALLY SAY I THINK IN WHAT ELEVATIONS THIS SHOULD BE.
THEY, WELL, AND THEN ADJACENT UNRELATED CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO ATTACHMENT.
IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL EXISTING USE OR BUILDING AFFECTING THE VIEW SHED.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS A PAST VOLLEYBALL COURSE.
WELL, I MEAN, AS, AS YOU INDICATED, YOU'RE GONNA WANT SHIPLOAD TO COMMENT AS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL VIEW AND SEE WHAT THEY SAID.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, DID YOU GUYS MEET WITH THE, UM, COASTAL CONSISTENCY BACK IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR? WE DID, AND I THINK WE MET WITH HIM IN NOVEMBER.
WE MET WITH HIM THREE TIMES OF THIS PROJECT.
ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN MET.
AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT AT THAT TIME.
DID THEY MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHT? THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE HEIGHT.
UM, THERE WERE CONCERNS FOR SOME REVIEW, BUT OTHERS LIKED THE, UM, PROSPECT OF THE ADDED DENSITY AND THE ACTIVITY BUT HAVE TO BRING AREA UP.
UM, SO THE GROUP WAS PROVIDED ON THE, THE ISSUE OF HEIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THERE WAS INPUT BOTH WAYS.
SO, AND WHAT ABOUT IT FITTING INTO THE, UM, ROUTE FIVE AND OVERLAY DISTRICT? IS THIS THIS, IS THIS ZONED FOR THIS? NO, NO, WE NEED A USE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, THERE'S VERY LIMITED PERMITTED USES EXPRESSING.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A USE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET A USE VARIANCE.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD REQUIRE US TO HAVE 50% OF COMMERCIALIZED.
THERE'S NO CHANCE THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER MAKING IT MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE OVERLAY DISTRICT? NOT IN THIS MARKET.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE USES THAT ARE EXPRESSLY FROM IN THAT DISTRICT, THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH THAT'S FEASIBLE.
BUT THERE WERE, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS WITH COASTAL CONSISTENCY OR THE, WITH THE, UM, PATROLLING COMMITTEE OR COASTAL CONSISTENCY BOARD, UM, ABOUT THE INTEREST FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE HERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY MAYBE SOME SMALL FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACE.
BUT IN OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING ANY COMMERCIAL INTEREST IS, IS HAS ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO OR OR MORE FRONTING ON ROUTE FIVE AT THIS SITE FIVE
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO BE.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DEVELOPING HERE ALONG HOOVER.
HOOVER AND BAYVIEW IS MUCH MORE RESIDENTIAL WE HAVE EXCEPT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BABY HOTEL AND THE COWBOY.
UM, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF COMMERCIAL SORT OF INTEREST IS GONNA BE GENERALLY FOCUSED MORE TOWARD THREE FIVE.
SO FOR, FOR A PROCESS QUESTION, DO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER SEEKER BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD MAKES THE DECISION ON THE NEWS VARIANCE? WELL, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION ONLY BECAUSE BASED ON PAST PROJECTS, SO REMEMBER THIS EXACT SAME ISSUE CAME UP ON ST.
FRANCIS A YEAR AGO AND THE ZONING BOARD ACTUALLY DECLARED ITS INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY, RIGHT? I THINK WE'D STILL BE LEAD AGENCY.
BUT CAN THEY MAKE A DECISION ON THE USE
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BEFORE WE NO, BECAUSE WE HAD TO DO THE PREREQUISITE OF THE DECISION ON THE USE VARIANCES A SECRET DETERMINATION.AND THAT'S WHAT TOOK 4,100 ST.
FRANCIS SO LONG TO GET BACK HERE.
SO DO WE GO SECRET VARIANCE SITE PLAN? WELL, IN THIS PART, THIS WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REVIEW AND THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS FOR YOU TO WEIGH IN ON.
THE WAY THAT THE CODE LOOKS LIKE IT'S WRITTEN IS THAT WE WOULD ISSUE THE DETERMINATION AS THE PLANNING BOARD ON COASTALS ON CONSISTENCY WITH INPUT FROM WHAT CAME OUT OF THE ADVISORY BOARD.
YOU MAY NEED TO CHAT WITH THEIR ATTORNEY.
BUT, SO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE, THERE'S BOTH THE STATE, UH, ENFORCEABLE POLICIES THAT WE NEED TO REVIEW IN ACCORDANCE WITH TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH.
AND THEN THE TOWN ALSO HAS ITS LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PLAN THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING LAID THERE IN ORDER TO FIND THE CONSISTENT
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COASTAL CONSISTENCY FORM HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
IT, I I THINK WE DID SUBMIT A DRAFT OF THIS, BUT WE NEED TO GO BACK THERE.
SO, BUT WE ULTIMATELY WILL BE, NEED TO REVIEW THAT AS WELL.
SO WHEN WE ALLOWED TO SEE SOME OF THAT FIRST BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE C YES, WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT BEFORE WE CAN ADVANCE SECRET.
NO, NOT BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH SEEKER.
WE HAVE AN APPLICATION IN EF FILE.
WELL WE NEED TO, WE CAN DO IT CONCURRENT, BUT THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO YEAH, I THINK COMMENCING THE ENVIRONMENTAL USE IN COURT AND AS YOU KNOW, THE SECRET REGULATIONS SAY THAT SHOULD BE GOOD AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN I THINK IF I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S MORE EXPERIENCE IN THIS BOARD THAT WE MOVE TO BE LEAD AGENCY BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER MORE FACTORS AND, AND THEN WE START A COORDINATED REVIEW BECAUSE THEN WE CAN GET ALL THE INPUT FROM THESE PARTIES AND THEN WE CAN ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER INPUT WE GET THERE THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO THE WATERFRONT RIGHT ADVISORY COMMITTEE COULD GO BACK TO THEM AND THEN JUST SERVE THE DATA COLLECTION.
IS THAT A MOTION YOU TWO? I GUESS I WOULD MAKE A, A MOTION TO HAVE A COORDINATED REVIEW ON BOTH 3,800 HOOVER ROAD AND 38 33 BAYVIEW ROAD, UM, TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE COORDINATED CONNECTED ACTIONS AS ONE ACTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT? DO WE, WHAT WHAT ELSE WOULD WE LIKE TO MOVE TO THAT? I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST PART AND THEN I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WOULD RUN THAT TABLE TOO.
SO IS THERE A SECOND? AND ALSO REFERRAL TO ZBA.
SO IT'S BEEN MOVED BY, UM, MS. MCCORMICK AND SECOND BY MR. CHAPMAN TO, UM, START THE COORDINATED REVIEW AND WE'LL TABLE THIS.
WE ALSO NEED TO HOLD ON, REFER THEM TO THE, CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO REFER? WE GOTTA FIRST VOTE ON, OH, WE HAVE FIRST MOTION.
UM, CAN WE ALSO MOTION TO REF REFUSE IF WE HAD TO DO SEEKER BEFORE THEY DO THE USE VARIANCE, WHY WOULD WE REFER IT NOW? SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE COMMENT AS, UH, AWARE AS A RELATED AGENCY? I THINK IT'S JUST A PROCEDURAL STEP.
MR. CLARK, JUST SO THAT THERE'S A, JUST A REFERENCE THAT THAT'S OCCURRED.
BILL, CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION AGAIN.
I SO SO WE'VE GOTTA DO SEEKER BEFORE WE SEND, BEFORE THEY CAN MAKE THE DECISION FOR THE SCENARIOS, RIGHT? SO I'S ASKING WHY ARE WE REFERRING IT TO THE ZONING BOARD IF THEY CAN'T MAKE A DECISION UNTIL WE MAKE A DECISION? YEAH, THERE'S NO SENSE OF REFERRING IT THAT WELL, THEY COULD PROVIDE IT'S FOR, IT'S FOR THEIR INPUT.
THERE ARE RELATED AGENCIES,
ALRIGHT, SO SO PART OF THE COORDINATED REVIEW THAT WE JUST AUTHORIZED YEAH.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO ISSUE THIS.
IT PROCEDURE, IT'S JUST TO SHOW THAT, THAT YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND WE WANNA REFER TO THE ZBA FOR THEIR PREMISE.
IT JUST SEEMS SILLY TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE GOING TO BE A PART OF THE COORDINATED REVIEW.
THEY'RE PART OF THE COORDINATOR REVIEW.
SO WE DON'T NEED
WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THE COORDINATOR REVIEW.
SO, AND THEN ONCE WE'RE READY TO TO THEN, THEN WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK? WELL, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
WE'LL BE HERE ANYWAY AND I THINK ONCE I GO THROUGH THE OTHER PROJECT YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY.
'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
THIS IS JUST THE PROJECT ON THE 20TH? YEP.
WHAT'S OUR SCHEDULE? WE ONLY HAVE FOUR, RIGHT? HAS 12 PROJECT RIGHT NOW? THIS ONE IS TWO.
OH NO, FOUR UNTIL WE GET THE NEXT ONE.
SO ARE WE GOING, WE'RE GONNA ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
SO ARE WE TABLING THIS OR DO THEY, ARE THEY PRESENTING ON 38 33 DAY OF THEY'RE, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT DOWN REAL QUICK.
JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION.
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT? YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE CAN TABLE IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
YOU GOTTA WAIT UNTIL THEY SEND THE OTHER ONE.
IT'S GOTTA OUT THE OTHER CASE BEFORE WE CAN TABLE THE WHOLE THING.
OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE ACROSS THE STREET AT 38 33 BAYVIEW.
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SO THIS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 1.04 ACRES IN SIZE AS YOU CAN SEE.UM, CURRENTLY HAS, UH, GO-KART TRACK.
AND THEN THAT PARKING AREA, WHICH IS NOT PAVED, IT'S ALSO ZONED WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ALSO IN THE ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY.
AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS A FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDING AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
AND NOW OF COURSE WE'RE ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THE SITE HAS ABOUT 271 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON HOOVER 445 FEET OF FRONTAGE ALONG BAYVIEW, THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE DEPICTING, AGAIN, FOUR STORIES AND 44 UNITS ALONG WITH 61 DEDICATED PARKING SPACES.
AS TOM INDICATED IN, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THE REMAINDER OF THAT PARKING LOT, WHICH IS ON THE OPPOSITE OF THAT BROAD LINE, THE REMAIN REMAIN ACCESSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING RESIDENTS AND GUESTS OF THE PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET AT 3,800 HOOVER.
THIS PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE THE IDENTICAL APPROVALS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR 3,800 HOOVER SITE PLAN AND MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE AND A USE VARIOUS AND POSSIBLE AREA VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
THESE, THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS OF THAT BUILDING, AGAIN USING SIMILAR AND HIGHEST QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS AND THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE WHILE THEY'VE NOT ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS PROJECT AND HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THEM PREVIOUSLY.
COLOR RENDERING, AGAIN, MIMICKING THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL STYLE MATERIALS AND APPEARANCE OF MODERN BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PROJECT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
PLANNING BOARDS ALREADY MADE A DECISION TO CONSOLIDATE THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF BOTH PROJECTS.
WHAT I WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD, AND I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD'S GOING TO AGREE.
SO IN CONNECTION WITH THESE PROJECTS, WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY FILED TWO SEPARATE DISTINCT SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORMS, KNOWING THAT THIS BOARD IS GONNA DO A DILIGENT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, RATHER CUT TO THE CHASE.
AND PROBABLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS SUBMIT ONE COMBINED PART ONE, THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM ALONG WITH THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION APPLICATIONS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT THESE PROJECTS BE TABLED TO YOUR MEETING TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
THAT'LL GIVE US TWO WEEKS TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN AND SUBMITTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF YOUR NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THE EXACT SAME RESOLUTION, COMBINATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND SEEKING LEAD AGENCY PURSUANT TO SEEKER.
DOES ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? EITHER TOM OR MYSELF WOULD WELCOME IN OR YOU TO ADDRESS 'EM.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, SOMEWHERE IN THE NOTES.
I NOTICED THAT YOU HAD A SECTION GOING TOWARD THE, UH, THE GO-KART AREA, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR FUTURE RETAIL OR CAN WE PULL BACK THIS? LET'S GO BACK TO THE EMPLOYEE SIDE ECONOMY.
UM, IN THE GO-KART, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF THE GO-KART AREA, WE'RE TALKING VERY LONG TERM.
THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER OR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TYPE AREA IN THE GO-KART TRACK AREA, YOU'RE REFERRING TO NOTE? I THINK IT'S AT THE BOTTOM THERE.
SO THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US WITH A NEW SITE PLAN.
IT'S OUTSIDE OF THIS APPLICATION.
WE HAD NOTED THIS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR, UH, I THINK THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE HAD ASKED US IN ONE OF OUR MEETINGS ABOUT THAT.
SO WE HAD NOTED ON THE PLAINTIFF FOR CLARITY.
AND JUST FOR PURPOSES OF CRI WANNA MAKE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S BEEN NO PRECISE PLANS FORMULATED FOR THE GO-KART PORTION OF THE SITE.
AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A SEPARATE REVIEW IF AND WHEN IN THE FUTURE WHAT PUT UP THE DAMN ROAD.
UM, SO BASED ON THE PREVIOUS MOTION, DO WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER? HAS THAT INCLUDED? I DON'T THINK SO, NO.
SO I, I KNOW THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER PROJECT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, BUT BACK TO THE ROUTE I REALLY, IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS MORE ALIGNED WITH THAT DISTRICT? UM, AS WE'RE APPROACHING NOW ROUTE FIVE AND THERE IS COMMERCIAL, UH, ACTIVITY AND THEY'RE ALREADY TRACK.
SO THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN MARKETED EXTENSIVELY FOR PROSPECTIVE COMMERCIAL TENANTS.
NONE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND LITERALLY THERE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN NO INQUIRIES.
IF SOMEONE CAME UP WITH A PROSPECTIVE TENANT, WE'D CERTAINLY CONSIDER IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY'S BEEN SITTING VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
SO WE WANNA PROCEED WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT WE'RE OPEN TO IDEAS.
IF SOMETHING COMES TO THE TABLE THAT'S FEASIBLE AND WE HAVE MADE THAT EFFORT.
HOW MANY STORIES IS THIS BUILDING? FOUR.
AND HOW MANY STORIES IS ACROSS THE STREET? THREE.
THE, UM, MY GOD, I JUST TOTALLY BLANKED ON WHAT THAT BUILDING IS AT HOOVER IS THREE AND HOOVER IS AT FOUR HOOVER? NO, NO, NO, NOT HOOVER.
THE UM, THE HOTEL, THE BAYVIEW HOTEL.
IT'S, NO, BUT I COULDN'T GET TO THE COWBOY AND
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I WAS ALL THE WAY BACK AT DOCK THE BAY AND THEN IT WAS LIKE A ROL DOCK FOR EVERY BUSINESS.MAN, YOU ALL WOULD'VE KNOW THREE FLOORS SO THAT THAT BUILDING'S MORE EQUIVALENT TO THE ADJACENT BUILDING.
SO THE DOCK IS THREE FLOORS AND THE HO AND THE LAKESIDE HOOVER ROAD BUILDING IS THREE STORIES.
AND THE BIGGER ONE IS FOUR STORIES.
AND YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'VE SHIFTED, UH, THE BUILDING NORTH, THE FOURTH STREET BUILDING HERE, THE GREEN SPACE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE BABY AS WELL.
IS THERE STILL GONNA BE BEACH ACCESS? SO THAT WAS, THAT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION WITH THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE.
UM, WE, IT, IT DOESN'T SHOW WELL ON THIS PLAN, BUT TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BAYVIEW HOTEL, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S A STRIP ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, UM, OF THE BUILDING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CREATING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS UP TO A VIEWPOINT.
UM, THERE WAS SEVERAL DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE SHOING COMMITTEE ON WHETHER THEY WANTED THEM TO PROVIDE BEACH ACCESS OR NOT BEACH ACCESS.
AND THE GROUP WAS, WAS, UH, LEANING TOWARDS IT JUST BEING A, A, A LOOKOUT.
SO WHAT IS FINISH SORRY THAT THAT WAS IT REALLY JUST YEAH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S THE INTENTION TO DO THAT.
WE HAVEN'T WORKED ON ANY DETAILS OF IT YET.
UM, AND OUR NEXT MEETING WITH THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE TALK ABOUT FURTHER INTO TOO.
WHAT IS, UM, THE SHORELINE LIKE THERE? LIKE I CAN'T TELL WITH THE GREEN THE DROP, THERE'S NOT, WELL THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE REALLY.
UM, EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF THE, THE PROPOSED THREE STORY BUILDING THERE, UH, TO THE WATER, YOU CAN SEE IT'S THERE, THERE THERE'S, IT'S JUST THE WALL, THE DROPS OF THE WATER, THE ROCKY, OKAY, SO THE NORTH SIDE, UM, EVEN THAT, THAT EXTENDS IN FRONT OF THE BAYVIEW HOTEL, UM, WHERE PATTY WAS FULL OF THE COWBOY, PRETTY MUCH WALL TO ROCK.
UM, BUT AS YOU MOVE NORTH FROM THERE TO THIS POINT OF WHERE WE WOULD PROPOSE A LOOKOUT, IT BECOMES BEACH ACCESS.
BUT I THINK FOR PRIMARILY I THINK THAT IT'S PRIVATE BEACH ACCESS, UM, OR PRIVATE BEACH FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT, THAT LIVE IN THOSE HOMES OR OWN THOSE HOMES.
ALONG, UM, ALONG OVER THE, THAT'S BEEN THE CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION WITH THE, THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSION WAS THE LIMIT PUBLIC ACCESS.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IS THAT WE DON'T TALK, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BEACH FOR MONTHS AND WE HAVEN'T TALKED ONCE ABOUT PUBLIC TRUST, FACT THAT NOBODY OWNS THE BEACH, UM MM-HMM
OTHER THAN ABOUT FURNITURE BEING ON THE PARK THAT NOBODY OWNS THE BEACH.
UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE ONCE WE GET INTO THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON LIKE, NOW THESE PEOPLE CAN THEORETICALLY ACCESS THE PUBLIC TRUST AND RUN INTO THE RESIDENTS.
BUT MY QUESTION IS LIKE, WHEN WE TALK MORE ABOUT THIS, WHAT IS, WHAT IS ACCESS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR EITHER THE PUBLIC OR THE RESIDENTS? IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST A LOOKOUT AND NOTHING DOWN TO ESSENTIALLY A PATH LIMITED SPEECH SPACE AS WE WERE OR WALK HEADING EAST TO WEST TO A LOOKOUT POINT.
UM, BUT NO STAIRS OR NO ACCESS DOWN TO THE SAND.
OR WATER SUCH, I MEAN IT'S NOT REALLY THAT INVITING TO GET THAT IN THERE BECAUSE THE WATER REALLY'S CROSS CRASHING RIGHT UP AGAINST, YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE COWBOY LOOKS LIKE, BUT RIGHT HERE THERE'S NOTHING.
IT'S JUST FREE WALL AND THE WATER IS RIGHT UP TO IT.
SO ALONG THAT LINE, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS ARE ANY IMPROVEMENTS GONNA BE REQUIRED TO THE RETAINING WALL? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A FEDERAL PERMIT? MY ASSUMPTION IS ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE, NO, BUT ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING WITH THE, THE RETAINING STRUCTURE OF THE BULKHEAD THERE, ARE THERE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR WORK THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN TO STABILIZE THAT? NOTHING PLANNED.
I KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE WORK IN THE RECENT PAST ON THAT PERSONAL, AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF US HAS DONE SOME WORK ON THEIR WALL WHERE THIS, THIS PATHWAY GOES DOWN THE WATER'S EDGE.
UM, I THINK THERE USED TO BE A, UM, A BOAT DROP AREA TO THE NORTH OF THE BABY HOTEL, UM, WHERE THEY RETAINING WALL THE NEXT PROPERTY IN THE NORTH TAKES A, TAKES A PRETTY GOOD BEATING I THINK THE WAY IT PROJECTS OUT.
UM, BUT NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT OR ANY NEED FOR US FOR REPAIRS TO OUR WALL, UH, IN FRONT OF THE BAYVIEW AND THE PROPOSED THREE STORY BUILDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY EVERYTHING HERE WE'RE PROPOSING IS AT THAT GRADE ABOVE, ABOVE THE TOP OF THE WALL.
WHAT UM, WHAT KIND OF LIGHTING AND THINGS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE, SO AT LEAST FOR THE ONE ON THE LAKESIDE MM-HMM
LIKE HOW IS IT TO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NORTH OR RIGHT OR LEFT, IT'S TO THE RIGHT, WHATEVER DIRECTION RIGHT IS IT'S TO THE NORTH.
UM, THESE HOUSES ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY CLOSE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE BELOW A THREE STORY BUILDING BECAUSE THEY'RE SINGLE STORY HOMES I'M ASSUMING.
SO IS THERE AT, AT LEAST WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US, CAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO LIGHTING OR HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT LIKE, IS THERE SPILLOVER, IS IT GONNA BE A PROBLEM FOR THE RESIDENTS? BECAUSE THE, THESE BUILDINGS ARE HIGHER, SO EVEN IF THEY'RE JUST SKY COMPLIANT, THE HOUSES ARE BELOW THE LIGHTS, THE LIGHTING PLAN WILL BE LIT ON THAT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY SOME DECORATIVE WALL SCONCES AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING.
UM, THERE WERE PATIOS PROPOSED AND THERE MIGHT BE A WALL SCONCE FIXTURE, UM, BUT NOTHING, NO SORT OF INTENTIONS TO,
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YOU KNOW, FLOOD THAT GREEN SPACE WITH LIGHT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.OR THE PARKING AREA MIGHT BE ABLE TO REALLY BE TREATED WITH A COUPLE SIMPLE WALL PACKS ON THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT ALONGSIDE THE FRONT ELEVATION.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY TENSIONS FOR ANY, ANY POLE LIGHTS, ANYTHING HIGH OFF THE BUILDING.
ANY ARCHITECTURAL LIGHTING, IF THERE IS ANY, COULD BE LOW OFF THE GROUND.
UM, THOSE SORTS OF CABLE LIGHTS AND THEY SHINE DOWN.
UM, SO AGAIN, BUT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT LIGHT.
YEAH, THOSE ALL SEEM REASONABLE.
WOULD YOU LOOK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN AT THIS POINT OR, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO THAT FAR.
I THINK I JUST WANNA HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE ELEVATION CHANGE IN THE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE WE ALWAYS SAY DARK SKY COMPLIANT, BUT THE NEIGHBORS ARE BELOW.
SO AT THIS POINT WE UM, HAVE CLARIFIED THAT WE ARE THE LEAD AGENCY FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
UM, AND WE ARE AUTHORIZING A COORDINATOR REVIEW.
WE'VE TABLED BOTH PROJECTS TO, I DON'T NEED ANOTHER MOTION BECAUSE THE FIRST, THE SECOND PROJECT NOT IN TABLE.
NO, NO, WE JUST DID THE, WE WERE WAITING TO DO THE, OKAY.
SO IS THERE, CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM SOMEONE ABOUT TABLING? I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE, UH, 38 30 HOVER ROAD AND 38 33 BAYVIEW ROAD TO MARCH 20TH SECOND.
WE'LL SEE YOU ON THIS MORNING.
EXCUSE ME, CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF EITHER TOM OR THE OTHER GENTLEMAN? WE CAN TALK OUT IN THE HALLWAY.
YEAH, GET OUT, TALK TO HIM OUT IN THE HALLWAY.
YOUR DIAGRAM SEEMS KIND OF HOT.
YEAH, I JUST GOTTA ASK THAT QUESTION.
WE'RE GONNA START THE REGULAR MEETING.
BEFORE I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, I JUST WANNA LET EVERYONE KNOW FOR THE RECORD THAT HAMBURG CROSSING HAS DELAYED, HAS POSTPONED THEIR MEETING FOR TONIGHT.
THEY WILL NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.
WE'LL NOT BE HEARING THEM THIS EVENING UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF APRIL.
AND WE HAD IT POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
SO JUST, SO IF ANYBODY'S HERE FOR THAT CASE, IT WILL, IT WILL BE TABLED.
UM, WITH THAT WE CAN UM, CALL THE
UM, WOULD YOU PLEASE ALL HONOR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH YOU STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE BROWN.
ANN ELISE, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL VOTE HERE.
CAITLYN RESIN AND MARGO KY ALSO HERE.
OUR FIRST CASE IS, UM, AVIS BUDGET RUN A CAR.
CAN I HAVE SOME ORDER IN THE ROOM PLEASE? WOULD SOMEONE DOOR, BACK DOOR SHUT BACK.
JOHN, CAN YOU SHOUT IT WHEN YOU ON YOUR WAY OUT IN THE MIDDLE, DON'T KICK THE CAMERA.
WHAT ELSE WHERE THOSE FACEBOOK VIDEO ON? NOW YOU CAN GO SEE ME THAT AROUND BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE THIS CORNER FOR A WHILE.
I KNOW AND THEY SAID THEY WANTED IT SO WE COULD SEE EVERYBODY.
OKAY, SO AVIS BUDGET REDDI ACROSS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAR RENTAL FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 4 2 0 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UM, IS AVIS HERE THIS EVENING.
THEY ARE, UM, WEST HER IS LOOKING TO LEASE THEIR BUILDING TO 4 2 0 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD TO AVIS.
UM, THIS IS ALLOWED BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITHIN THE C TWO ZONING.
UM, THE PROJECT INVOLVES NO NEW BUILDING CONSTRUCTION,
NO VARIANCE APPEARS TO BE NEEDED AND UM, WE NEED TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE WILL LET THE APPLICANT ADD ANYTHING FURTHER.
THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ROBERT NIK OF NUS PHONE CLARK, OUR OFFICE IS LOCATED AT 3 5, 5 6 LAKESHORE ROAD IN HAMBURG.
AND WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF VIS BUDGET RENTAL.
THE PROPERTY IS, THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED IS LOCATED AT 42 0 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
IT IS ZONE C TWO, GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS 0.48 ACRES.
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THE WEST, HER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP, IS THE CURRENT OWNER OF 42 0 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND IS CURRENTLY OPERATING AS WEST.HER ACCESSORY SHOP, WESTER IS UNDER CONTRACT WITH AVIS BUDGET CAR RENTAL.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CHANGE OF USE FROM AN AUTO ACCESSORY SHOP TO AN AUTO RENTALS FACILITY REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND POSSIBLY A SITE PLAN.
WE WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DID FILE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION, A SITE PLAN APPLICATION, AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, AND A COPY OF THE PROPERTY SURVEY, WHICH IS ON DISPLAY THERE.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSAL DOES MEET THE FLOOR CRITERIA IN THE CODE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND WE WOULD ASK THE BOARD FOR THEIR APPROVAL.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I'M SORRY.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? YEAH, I HAD ASKED FOR A LETTER FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER MM-HMM
THAT THIS DOES COME UNDER THE AUTOMOBILE SPECIAL USE BECAUSE AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS ARE NOT ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF CAMP ROAD.
SEE, I, I'M HERE AND I JUST GOT THE BICYCLE AGAIN.
SO IT SAYS, UM, HERE, IT'S, UM, IT'S UNDER, UM, AUTO REPAIR GARAGE.
SO REPAIR GARAGES IN OUR CODE ALLOW FOR CAR RENTALS.
SO IT'S NOT BEING CONSIDERED UNDER AUTO SALES.
IT'S CONSIDERED UNDER, UM, REPAIR GARAGE.
AND I'M PREPARED TO READ THAT I HAVE THE LETTER HERE.
A CAR RENTAL OPERATION WOULD BE ALLOWED IN A C TWO ZONING DISTRICT IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG UNDER THE DEFINITION OF CHAPTER TWO 80 DASH 3 48, A REPAIR GARAGE, ANY GARAGE UNDER, OTHER THAN A PRIVATE GARAGE IN WHICH IS USED FOR THE STORAGE, REPAIR, RENTAL, GREASING, WASHING, LUBRICATION, SERVICING, ADJUSTING, OR EQUIPMENT OF AUTOMOBILES AND OTHER MOTOR VEHICLES.
CHAPTER 2 8 0 DASH 81 A 18 F ALLOWS AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN C TWO ZONE CHAPTER TWO EIGHT WOULD THEN BE THE CRITERIA FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A REPAIR GARAGE.
AND THAT'S SIGNED BY JEFF, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
SO WE ARE, UM, HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER? UM, JUST THAT UNDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT IS A SITE PLAN IS REQUIRED.
WE WOULD BE USING THE EXISTING SURVEY AS THE SITE PLAN AND THERE WOULD BE NO ENGINEERING REVIEW BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SITE CHANGES.
I, I NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT NOTE THAT NO CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE SITE, JUST THE USE.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA BE HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING AND BEFORE WE START THAT PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE A LITTLE STORY TO TELL.
A PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION ON HOW YOU ARE IMPACTED BY A PROJECT, EITHER GOOD OR BAD.
A THREE MINUTE RULE WILL APPLY DURING A PUBLIC HEARING TO ENSURE THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE HEARD DURING A REASONABLE HOUR.
IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
ALL STATEMENTS MADE DURING A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THAT PROJECT SENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE APPLICANT AND RESPONSES WE'LL BE GIVING ACCORDING TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER, UM, SECRETARY WOULD SURE LEGAL NOTICE TOWN HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THE TOWN HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSAL BY AVIS BUDGET CAR RENTAL FOR A CAR RENTAL FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 4 2 0 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 6TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM AND ROOM SEVEN B OF THE HAMPER TOWN HALL.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THE, UM, CASE IN FRONT OF US ON VIS BUDGET? RENT A CAR.
I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN IN FAVOR, SO I'LL SIT DOWN.
SO, CALLING AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE AVIS UH, BUDGET CAR RENTAL? THIRD TIME? IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE AVIS AVIS BUDGET CAR RENTAL? SAY THAT THREE TIMES REAL FAST.
I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING SEEING THAT THERE IS NO ONE REQUESTING TO MAKE COMMENTS.
AND, UM, DO YOU, DOES THE BOARD FEEL THAT WE'RE READY TO YES.
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SO WITH THAT, I'M PASSING THE RESOLUTION OVER TO MY BUDDY OVER HERE.MR. CLARK WILL READ THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT.
MR. THE
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM WESTER AUTOMOTIVE GROUP TO OPERATE A CAR RENTAL FACILITY IN THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 2 0 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT TO DETERMINE THAT THE PROJECT IS A TYPE TWO ACTION THAT REQUIRE AND REQUIRES NO SECRET DETERMINATION.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN REVIEWING THE PROJECT SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAS DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH A SECTION 2 8 0 DASH 3 1 2 AND USING SECTION 2 8 0 DASH 3 2 7 NEWER USED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND SERVICE AS A GUIDE, THAT THE PROJECT WILL BE IN HARMONY TO THE PURPOSES AND INTENT OF SECTION 11 ZERO DASH THREE 12.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT CREATE A HAZARD TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOR WILL IT BE DETRIMENTAL TO ITS RESIDENCE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE FOR A NEW OR USED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND SERVICE.
A, THE REQUEST TO USE IS PERMITTED AS A SPECIAL USE BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE PROPERTY HAVE FRONTAGE ALONG CAMP ROAD BETWEEN THE THREE-WAY AND RAILROAD TRACKS NORTH OF NASH ROAD DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS USE.
B THE SITE SHALL NOT INCLUDE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF ANY JUNK OR UNREGISTERED VEHICLES.
C THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SHALL MAKE PERIODIC INSPECTIONS OF THIS FACILITY TO ENSURE THE PROPER STRUCTURAL MAINTENANCE OF ALL STRUCTURES IN THE ADEQUATE CLEANUP OF LITTER AND MOTOR VEHICLE PARTS.
D THE SIZE, LOCATION, AND MATERIALS USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF OFF STREET PARKING FACILITIES SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING BOARD BASED ON THE INTENSITY OF USE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND THEREFORE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HEREBY ISSUED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS BASED ON SITE PLAN TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD WITH ANY CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THAT PLAN.
TWO, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE OPERATING HOURS WILL BE FROM 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM THREE LIGHTING WILL BE AS SHOWN ON THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND INTERNAL MODE BUILDING LIGHTING WILL BE SHIELDED, DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND NOT NEON OR FLASHING COLORED LIGHTS.
LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING SHALL BE PROVIDED AS SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS.
AND THE FINAL PLAN MUST BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? YEAH.
IT'S BEEN SECONDS, IT'S BEEN MOVED.
AND SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY, UM, MEMBER CLARK AND SECOND BY MEMBER CHAPMAN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
WELL, TOM HAM PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANT SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE AVIS CAR RENTAL FACILITY.
WE LOCATED AT 4 2 0 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD IN THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING COMMENT LETTER DATED.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION'S GONNA BE TO STRIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE THE FINAL ENGINEERING REVIEW REQUIRED OR ANYTHING.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, SO I'LL STRIKE THAT ONE.
I'LL DO A DIFFERENT, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE AVIS CAR RENTAL FACILITY BE LOCATED AT 4 2 0 7 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER CLARK, SECOND BY MEMBERS W ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
IT'S BEEN APPROVED, SO YOU'RE WELCOME HERE.
DO I NEED THAT DONE? I WAS GONNA GIVE IT TO JOSH, BUT OKAY.
WE'LL MAKE SURE JOSH GETS THAT.
SO OUR NEXT CASE IS STONEFIELD ENGINEERING REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 39 3,999 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE FROM THROUGH, LOCATED AT 3 5 6 0 KINLEY PARKWAY.
TONIGHT WE'LL BE HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING AND FIND OUT WHAT THE RESULTS ARE FOR FROM THE ZBA.
I'M WITH STONEFIELD ENGINEERING.
I'M CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, I THINK MY COLLEAGUE WAS HERE.
UM, ONE OF THE LAST MEETINGS KIND OF GAVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
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UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF RECAP THAT PRETTY BRIEFLY, THIS IS THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING FRIENDLIES.A BRIEF FIVE SIX OH, UM, CAN LEAD PARKWAY.
IT'S JUST EAST OF THE HOME DEPOT AND SOUTH OF THE, THE JOANNE HOME GOOD STORE.
UM, REALLY WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO COMPLETELY DEMOLISH THAT FRONT OF THESE BUILDING, UH, BUILD A NEW RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE A TENANT YET, UH, FOR THE RESTAURANT.
AND, UM, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, UH, WE DIDN'T MEET A VARIANCE BECAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING A, UM, A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT.
UH, BASICALLY THE, THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE WAS A SLIGHT VARIANCE THAT WE NEEDED.
EVERYTHING ELSE COMPLIED LAST NIGHT.
WE WERE IN FRONT OF, UH, THE ZONING BOARD AND THEY DID GRANT THAT VARIANCE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST WHERE WE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC PARKING STUDY.
UH, REALLY THAT JUST KIND OF SHOWED A COUPLE THINGS AND SHOWED THE TRIP GENERATION OF THE SITE AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THERE IS A RESTAURANT THAT WAS THERE, IT'S REALLY JUST A SLIGHT INCREASE OF REALLY NO MAJOR IMPACTS AS A RESULT OF PUTTING IN A NEW RESTAURANT COMPARED TO WHAT WAS THERE.
UM, ALSO THIS USE, IT'S TYPICALLY KNOWN AS, UM, GENERATES A LOT OF PASS BY TRAFFIC.
SO A LOT OF VEHICLES ARE ALREADY ON THE ROAD TO NOT NECESSARILY ADDING TRIPS, UM, TO THIS DESTINATION.
UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE, UH, WHICH HAS 16 CARS.
JUST LOOKED AT SOME INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR ITE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS THAT, UH, ARE REASONABLE ARE WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THAT WE'RE HITTING THE 90 PERCENTILE IN TERMS OF I IT STANDARDS FOR WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR QUEUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY JUST LOOKED AT IT GLOBALLY FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER AND SHOWED THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A SURPLUS OF PARKING PROVIDED FOR ALL OF THE USES COMBINED.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT IT E UH, WHAT IT TE SUGGESTS.
SO IN SUMMARY, I THINK WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, HOPEFULLY AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN SEEK SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OTHER, UM, MUNICIPAL APPROVALS ARE REQUIRED, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, YEAH.
PLANNING DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? UH, WE HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.
ENGINEERING I REMEMBERED YOU THIS TIME,
AGAIN, THE THREE MINUTE RULE WE'LL HOLD FOR THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS CASE? I WILL.
OH, I'LL HAVE THE SECRETARY READ THE, UH, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD? OUR, UH, OUR NOTE TAKER DIDN'T CATCH IT.
NOTICE IS HERE BY, GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMPER PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY STONEFIELD ENGINEERING TO CONSTRUCT A 3,999 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT.
IF THEY DRIVE THROUGH LOCATED AT 3 5 6 0 MCKINLEY PARKWAY, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE, WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 6TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF THE HAMBURGER TOWN HALL.
NOW, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT IN, IN REGARDS TO, UM, STONEFIELD ENGINEERING SECOND RECALL FOR STONEFIELD ENGINEERING IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT? THIRD CALL FOR THE STONEFIELD ENGINEERING? IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO MAKE COMMENT? SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SINCE THE APPLICANT RECEIVED THEIR, UM, THEIR VARIANCES BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER? I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY AN EASY ONE.
UH, WITH THE SITE PLAN AND THE CHANGE YOU'RE MAKING, THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ELEVATION CHANGE, SUBSTANTIAL ELEVATION CHANGE BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING WORK AND ALONG WHERE THAT, UM, THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE RETENTION OR EXCAVATING ANY MATERIAL ALONG THERE.
WE'RE EXPECTING ANY OF THE SLOPE STABILITY TO MAINTAINED AS IS, UH, WHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT KIND OF GOES DOWN AND UP.
YEAH, NO, WE'RE GENERALLY FOLLOWING THE GRADES.
UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE GRADING PLAN NOW BECAUSE IT, IT IS PRETTY ABRUPT.
IT JUST KIND OF GOES, IT JUST DROPS DOWN.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE NOT REMOVING ANY FILL OR BACKFILL OR JUST MAKING ANY STEEPER OR ANYTHING THAN IT ALREADY IS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NO, THAT'S THE CASE.
BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH, I MEAN, AGAIN, THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED WITH A BUILDING THERE AND WE'RE PRETTY MUCH JUST MIMICING THE GRADES AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE GRADING PLAN NOW AND YOU KNOW, AT LEAST LIKE WITHIN OUR AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM LIKE THE ENTRANCE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE IS, IS, IS BLOCKED.
ANYONE ELSE? DO YOU THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO, I'M SORRY.
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NO, THAT WAS JUSTUM, DO YOU THINK WE'RE PREPARED FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL THIS EVENING? BOARD MEMBERS? YES.
UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT 2 39 LETTER THAT CAME IN? SO THE, WE GOT THAT COM COMMENT LETTER PREVIOUSLY FROM ERIE COUNTY BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE TO SPEAK UP SO THEY CAN HEAR.
SO WE HAD THAT COMMENT LETTER FROM ERIE COUNTY BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND WITH HIS STATEMENT EARLIER TONIGHT THAT THEY HAD STACKING SPACE THAT HIT THE 90% STANDARD RIGHT.
WE FEEL LIKE THE LAYOUT AND THE DRIVE THROUGH VEHICLE THE WAY IT IS, WE FEEL THAT THAT MEANS, I KNOW WE SHIFTED IT BEFORE, BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE CURRENT LAYOUT AVOIDS THE CONCERN, UM, THAT THE COUNTY HAD, WHICH WAS TO ENSURE PARKING MOVEMENTS AND DRIVE THROUGH VEHICLE FEWER OUTSIDE OF TRAVEL LANES.
AND I THINK THAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES BECAUSE OF HOW MANY STACKING SPACES WE ADDED IN.
YES, I THINK WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT.
I THINK, UM, MEMBER
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FELT A HUNDRED PERCENT IN THAT.
TAMMY, DO YOU HAVE AN ENGINEERING DATE? MARCH 1ST.
DO I HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS TO READ THE RESOLUTION? OKAY, GOT IT.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS IS THE TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 6TH, 2024.
AND WHEREAS THE PROJECT REQUIRED AN AREA OF VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND ONE WAS GRANTED ON MARCH 5TH, 2024.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS THOROUGHLY REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND SITE PLAN AND RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE TOWN DEPARTMENTS ADVISORY BOARDS AND, AND CONSULTANTS AND HAS FOUND THE PROJECT TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOM CODE.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ISSUES CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING MEMO DATED 3 1 20 24.
THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOULD BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS NOT WARRANTED.
SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? YOUR RESOLUTION IS YOUR SITE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED.
OUR NEXT UM, CASE IS I MENTIONED AMBER CROSSING, UM, HAS REQUESTED A TO BE TABLED UNTIL, DO WE HAVE A DATE, JOSH? UH, APRIL 17TH.
FOR THE RECORD, AT THIS POINT, UM, THE CONTINUATION, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL REMAIN OPEN.
WE ARE RECEIVING CORRESPONDENCE FROM RESIDENTS.
THEY ARE BEING REVIEWED BY THE, BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO IF ANYONE WISHES TO CONTINUE TO WRITE TO US, YOU CAN.
THEY WILL BE, UM, ADDED ONTO THE, UH, FILE AND WE WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT CASE UNTIL THE 17TH.
THERE'S NO MOTION NEEDED AT THIS POINT, CORRECT? NOPE.
SO OUR NEXT CASE IS, UM, TOWN, CHRYSLER TOWN DODGE, JEEP RAM.
SO THE PETITIONER IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO REREAD THE CORRECTED, UM, RESOLUTION FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND I THINK, UM, MEMBERS WALK WILL DO THAT, DO US THE HONORS.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM TOM CHRYSLER DODGE JEEP RAM TO CONSTRUCT A 4,473 SLUR FOOT STEEL FRAME BUILDING ADDITION AT 5 1 3 0 CAMP ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE HAM PLANNING BOARD HELD A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT HAS DONE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING ADDITION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENT IMPACT.
AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
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ALL RIGHT.SO THE TOWN OF CHRYSLER, UM, UPDATED NO SITE PLAN.
AND DO WE NEED DO THIS? DID YOU WE NEED TO DO BOTH WITH JUST SITE PLAN.
SO THE, NOW I HAVE TO DO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS REVIEWED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM TOWN CHRYSLER DODGE JEEP RAM, WITH CONSTRUCTION OF 4,473 SQUARE FOOT STEEL FRAME BUILDING ADDITION AT 5 1 3 0 CAMP ROAD BASED ON A DETERMINATION BY THE TOWN CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVED NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN REVIEWING THE PROPOSED PROJECT SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAS DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2 8 0 3 1 2 AND 2 8 0 DASH 3 2 7, THAT THE PROJECT, THAT ONE, THE PROJECT WILL BE IN HARMONY OF THE PURPOSES AND INTENT OF SECTION 2 8 0 DASH THREE TWO.
SPECIAL USE PERMITS TO THE PROJECT WILL NOT CREATE A, A HAZARD TO HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WELL GENERAL WELFARE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOR WILL IT BE DETRIMENTAL TO ITS RESIDENCE.
THE PROJECT WILL NOT OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE FOR NEW OR USED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND SERVICE.
A THE PROJECT HAS FRONTAGE ALONG CAMP ROAD, NEW YORK ROUTE 75 BETWEEN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE NEW YORK STATE THROUGHWAY AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS NORTH OF NASH ROAD B.
THE PROJECT DOES NOT INVOLVE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF ANY JUNK OR UNREGISTERED VEHICLES.
C THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SHALL MAKE PERIODIC INSPECTIONS OF EACH OPERATING FACILITY TO ENSURE THE PROPER STRUCTURAL MAINTENANCE OF ALL STRUCTURES AND THE ETIQUETTE CLEANUP OF LITTER AND MOTOR VEHICLE PARTS D SIZE, LOCATION AND MATERIALS USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF ALL STREET PARKING FACILITIES SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING BOARD BASED ON THE INTENSITY OF USE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE PROPOSED BEST USE PERMIT IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND THEREFORE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HEREBY ISSUED WITH THE FATHER CONDITIONS.
IT IS BASED ON A SITE PLAN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD DATED 2 21 24 WITH ANY CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THAT PLAN.
SO IT'S BEEN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAS BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.
NOW DUE FOR THE SITE PLAN, IS THERE A DATE FOR AN ENGINEERING LETTER? COMMENT, HONOR AYE WOULD'VE BEEN THE PREVIOUS ONE.
SO I THINK IT'S COVERED UNDER THE SAME SITE PLAN AND ALL SUB CONDITIONS THAT APPLY.
SO IT WOULD BE THE SAME DATE AS THE PREVIOUS, WHICH WAS, UM, 2 21 24.
WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLAN DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM TOWN CHRYSLER DODGE DEEP RAM INCORPORATED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 4,473 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ADDITION AT 5 1 3 0 CAMP ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD A REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AGAINST THE TOWN CODE HAS RECEIVED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER AGENCIES AND PROVIDED INPUT TO THE APPLICANT THAT HAS RESULTED IN AMENDED PLANS ADDRESSING THE PLANNING BOARD'S CONCERNS.
WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE AIDS STATE AND ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS AN UNLISTED ACTION AND NO FURTHER SEEKER ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED.
THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY, CHOSE NOT TO SUBMIT A COORDINATED REVIEW AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ISSUES AN ADDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEER DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED 2 21 24.
THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
ANY LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND SHOWN ON THE PLANS AND SIDEWALKS ARE WAIVED AS THEY ALREADY EXIST ON CAMP ROAD.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE SLEEPING OVER THERE.
IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
JUST LIKE ONE SMALL NITPICKING THING.
THE RESOLUTIONS THE SAME WAY EVERY TIME.
ON THE SHAREPOINT, ON THE LABEL OF THE FILE OR ON THE LIKE TITLE? THE ACTUAL, THE, THE FILE NAME.
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RESOLUTION FOLDER, MOST OF THEM ARE THE PROJECT NAME THAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE'VE GOT ONE THAT WAS THE ADDRESS AND ONE THAT HAS THE DATE.SO LIKE I SAID, IT WAS NITPICKY, BUT MM-HMM
SO OUR NEXT CASE IS, UM, ALCHEMY SHORES REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A MIXED USE CENTER TO BE LOCATED AT 3 7 8 0 HOOVER ROAD.
UM, THE BACKGROUND IS TOO LONG TO READ, HOWEVER, IS THE PETITIONER HERE TODAY, THEY WILL GIVE US AN UPDATE BOARD.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAMES FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? PAM OSH.
CO-OWNER WITHOUT NICOLE COUNSEL, CO-OWNER OPERATOR.
CO-OWNER FOR MACINTOSH OWNER AS WELL.
UH, WE'RE HERE FIRST, UH, SEEKING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR 37 80.
DO WE HAVE ANOTHER UPDATED SITE PLAN HERE? HANG ON.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? YES.
UH, OUR PURPOSE OF TONIGHT, I, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO MAKE A SECRET DECISION.
UM, IT IS THE OPINION OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT, UM, AFTER THE APPLICANT GIVES THEIR PRESENTATION, UM, AND WE REVIEW THE SITE PLAN, THEN WE GO OVER THE PART THREE ANALYSIS THAT IS IN THE FOLDER FOR THE
AND WE GO OVER THE PART THREE.
UM, AND YOU GUYS CAN GIVE US INPUT ON IF YOU WANT TO AMEND IT.
UM, WE TOOK THE PART TWO, PART THREE FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD MADE SEQL ON THE REZONING.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE MAKING THE SECRET DECISION ON THE SITE PLAN.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR ANYTHING YOU WANT US TO AMEND, WE'LL USE THIS MEETING TONIGHT THROUGH AMEND IT AS YOU SEE FIT AND THEN IF THE BOARD AGREES, UM, IT IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATION THAT UH, IF YOU SEE FIT, WE WILL AUTHORIZE US TO DO A C UH, RESOLUTION AND APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON THREE 20.
I HAVE ANY PRESENT THROUGH HEIAN.
WE HAD SUBMITTED A SLIGHTLY AMENDED SITE PLAN LATE LAST WEEK.
UM, JUST WITH SOME ADDITIONAL USE NOTES FOR PARTICULAR AREAS SUCH AS FROM OUR LAST MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, WE WANTED THE LANGUAGE ADDED IN THERE REGARDING THE TENT PLACEMENT.
UM, AND JUST WE ACTUALLY ADDED THE LANGUAGE OF THE SITE'S USES RIGHT ON THE SITE PLAN JUST SO, UM, THERE'S CLEAR DEFINED AREAS FOR EACH PARTICULAR USE THAT'S BEEN, UM, DICTATED FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONLY AMENDMENTS OF THE SITE PLAN.
UM, NO OTHER ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES OR THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDED BEYOND WORDING AGAIN REGARDING USES FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR CLARIFICATION OF ABUSE.
SO THE UM, LAST SITE PLAN THAT WE RECEIVED WAS I THINK ON THURSDAY, CORRECT? FRIDAY, FRIDAY.
AND YOU EDIT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UM, CAN YOU MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIGGER OR NO? DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THE HARD COPIES THAT YOU COULD, CAN LOOK AT? I BELIEVE SO.
YOU MADE COPIES OF THE NOTES THAT WORK PUT ON THERE.
YEAH, I KNOW YOU CAN'T READ, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON ON THEM.
DO WE HAVE THE UM, YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO, YEAH, IF WE CAN HAVE A HARD COPY.
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BETTER TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE TWO THAT WE CAN SHARE.
SO REMEMBER IF YOU RECALL THE LAST MEETING WE ASKED ABOUT INDICATING WHERE THE, UM, THE TENT AND THE FOOD TRUCKS WERE GONNA GO, CORRECT? I DID AT NUMBER 17.
AND THEN, UM, JUST THE NOVELTY NAMES THAT
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UPPER LEFT CORNER IS WHERE, UM, HE'S ADDED FOR THE USE FOR GAMES.THE APPROVED USES BY INTENT PLACEMENT IS NOTED UNDER THE NUMBER 17 TRACKING.
SO I'M SORRY, THE, THE USES WAS WHAT NUMBER? NUMBER 17 USES THE USES IS FOR THE TENT WITH 17.
THE USES ARE JUST UP THERE ON THE BEACH AREA THAT'S LISTED UP THERE WITH THE ARROWS.
SO NOTHING HAS BEEN ADDED SINCE THE DISCUSSION SINCE OUR LAST DISCUSSION.
CORRECT? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SOMETHING ELSE GOT ADDED.
WE WERE JUST CLAR, WE WERE ASKED TO CLARIFY BY DREW.
ALL USES AND DELINEATE ALL USES.
PER THE SITE PLAN, WHICH WAS THE ONLY UPDATED, ONLY UPDATES FROM EACH NOTES AND WORDING OF EACH PARTICULAR USE PLACEMENT LOOKING FROM THE VOLLEYBALL.
SO WE'VE GOT BACHI BALL AND THE VOLLEYBALL COURT IS NUMBER 14.
THAT'S ON, ON THE SAND COURTS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
RIGHT ABOVE NUMBER 15 RIGHT THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE THING RIGHT ABOVE, UM, THAT AREA BETWEEN THE BEACH AND THE DOCK, TEMPORARY, SOMETIMES THAT OUTDOOR HERE AND THEN IT SAYS IT.
SO, SO WE GOT BOCCE BALL, VOLLEYBALL, YOGA AND ET CETERA.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE THAT ON HERE, ET CETERA.
IT SHOULD BE THAT PRINTED VERSION MAY NOT BE THIS VERSION.
THE VERSION I HAVE HAS THE NUMBERS ON.
WE DON'T HAVE ACTIVITIES DON'T NUMBER 17 WITH LANGUAGE.
YEAH, NEITHER OF THESE ARE THE SAME.
OH, SO WE DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE CURRENT ONE.
DID YOU SUBMIT HARD COPIES OF THE NEW YEAH, FOR LAST FRIDAY WE GAVE 'EM TO YOU.
WE DIDN'T SUBMIT LIKE BRING THEM IN PHYSICALLY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS DID YOU SUBMIT THEM TO ME OR COPIES? PHYSICAL? NO, YOU DIDN'T BRING ONE WITH YOU.
AND LOOKING AT IT GOING, WAIT, SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT HERE.
BUT AGAIN, THE ONLY ADDICTION IS THEN THERE WORDINGS OF OUTDOOR ATHLETIC ACTIVITIES, FCI BALL, VOLLEYBALL, YOGA.
AND THEN THE, THE NOTATION ON NUMBER 17 HAS BEEN CLARIFIED FOR THE 10TH PLACEMENT.
THOSE WERE THE ONLY CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THAT SITE THEN SO, UM, MY QUESTION IS ON THE ET CETERA, ON THE USES FOR THE OUTDOOR ATHLETIC ACTIVITIES, BOCCE BALL, VOLLEYBALL, YOGA.
WHAT ELSE COULD BE ADDED ON THERE? IT'S FALLING WITHIN OUR USES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THE U OF THE ZONING USES MM-HMM
SO IT'S EVERYTHING REGARDING THE NOVELTY GAMES UNDER D MEAN CAN DO EACH RIGHT BE, I MEAN DAN JAM, WHATEVER I CAN READ IT.
A DD OF OUR UM, ZONING USE PERMITS.
OUTDOOR CLUB ACTIVITIES INVOLVE NO MOTORIZED EQUIPMENT SUCH AS STANDUP PADDLEBOARD YOGA, RISING TIDE, WATERFRONT YOGA, OXY BALL VOLLEYBALL, CORNHOLE AND OTHER NOVELTY LEAGUE GAMES IN ACCORDANCE WITH OTHER OUTDOOR USE RESTRICTIONS.
SO THAT AREA WOULD BE USED FOR AGAIN, TEMPORARY NON-PERMANENT.
WE TALKING, BRINGING OUT A SOCCER BALL, PICKING IT AROUND NON-MOTORIZED, NON-MOTORIZED TEMPORARY NOVELTY GAMES.
AND IT'S LIMITED TO THAT LIST THAT USE THAT I JUST READ FROM RECYCLING CONDITIONS.
THOSE CONDITIONS ARE FROM THE RESOLUTION.
I HAVE TO ASK RESOLUTION TO MAKE COPIES FOR EVERYBODY.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE IT YESTERDAY.
SO, UM, AND THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING OF WHEN I WAS READING THAT THOUGH, WITH THE AMPLIFIED SOUND MM-HMM
WELL STILL THERE'S NO NO AMPLIFIED SONG.
LIKE IF YOU'VE EVER GONE TO OUTER OUTWARD, EVERYONE BRINGS MICROPHONES 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T HEAR.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE, WE UNDERSTAND OUR CONDITIONS.
THE LAST MEETING YOU MENTIONED THAT IN THE TENT YOU MIGHT HAVE A BAND THAT'S NOT AMPLIFI.
WELL HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE LIKE, LIKE DID YOU HAVE A STRING QUARTET? STRING QUARTET.
I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE MOST BANDS OF MEN HAVE SOME KIND OF A SPEAKER SYSTEM, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE UNDERSTAND
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OUTDOOR MUSIC HUNDRED 75 PEOPLE.ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO CAN YOU REMIND ME, CLARIFY, I KNOW IT'S A WHAT YOU SUBJECT, BUT THE ALCOHOL USE ON THE BEACH, IS THAT ALLOWED, THAT IS A PART OF YOUR PLAN? WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR LIQUOR APPLICATION WITH YOUR LICENSE APPLICATION? SAFE? YEAH, WE BROUGHT UM, OH, CORRECT.
YEAH, THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF SLA SOLUTIONS.
UM, YOU WANNA COME UP AND TEACH? SURE.
OUR LIQUOR LICENSE APPLICATION, HE FILED IT IN OUR, ON OUR BEHALF AND HAS DONE HOURS ALONG WITH THOUSANDS OF ALMOST EVERYBODY IN WESTERN YORK'S, UM, LIQUOR LICENSE DEPOSITIONS.
SO SPECIFICALLY THE APPLICATION SHOWS A FOOTPRINT THAT ALLOWS ALCOHOL IN THAT CONTAINED AREA.
LIQUOR AUTHOR HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE ARE CONDITIONING APPROVED, UH, OR A TEMPORARY PERMIT AT THIS TIME.
WELL IS THAT A CATERER'S LICENSE YOU'RE GETTING OR IT IS NOT A CATERER'S LICENSE? CATERER'S LICENSE HAS SOME, HAS SOME RESTRICTIONS TO IT THAT DOES NOT FIT THEIR BUSINESS PLAN.
THE REASON I ASK THAT IS IF IT'S AN EVENT CENTER, YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF GETTING A CATERER'S LICENSE IN LONG.
BUT WHAT, WHAT KIND, I MEAN ARE, ARE YOU GETTING A OPEN LICENSE? A CLUB LICENSE? I MEAN IT'S NOT A CLUB LICENSE, IT'S AN ON-PREMISE LICENSE.
YOU CAN BE A RESTAURANT, YOU CAN BE A TAVERN.
OKAY, WHICH ONE, WHICH ONE DID YOU APPLY? TAVR RESTAURANT WE APPLY IS A TAVERN.
IT HAS THE LEASE RESTRICTIONS TO THEM TO OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS.
IT ALLOWS US FOOD TRUCKS TO COME IN WHERE A RESTAURANT LICENSE WON'T ALLOW THAT.
IF WE USE A CATERER'S LICENSE, THEN THEY CAN'T HOLD ANY EVENTS OF THEIR OWN.
IT ALL HAS TO BE BROUGHT IN BY AN OUTSIDE PERSON REQUESTING THEIR SERVICES.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DOING.
YOU WERE GONNA, PEOPLE WERE GONNA COME TO YOU TO RENT YOUR FACILITY AND THEY WOULD GET THEIR OWN CATER.
BUT I'M ALSO JUST WONDERING HOW THESE SORTS OF QUESTIONS ARE TOWING THE LINE BETWEEN LIKE THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS WITHIN THE SITE ITSELF VERSUS WHAT IS BEING PERMITTED THROUGH OUR REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN.
'CAUSE IT PERTAINS TO USE ON FIVE B IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS INDOOR ALCOHOL USE, RIGHT.
WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO ALIGN THOSE TWO FEATURES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT.
BUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PERMITTING VERSUS THE LIKE WHERE THE PERMITTED USE IS VERSUS, AND I THINK IT COMES, I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK IT COMES BACK TO THE WHAT TYPE OF A FACILITY IS PROPOSED.
SO THEY WERE AUTHORIZED UNDER THE ZONING CODE FOR A MIXED USE DISTRICT OR AN EVENT FACILITY AND OTHER ACTIVITIES, WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
SO I THINK THAT PART OF OUR JOB UNDER THE SITE PLAN REVIEW IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND ACTIVITIES ARE THE SAME AS THE USE THAT WAS APPROVED.
SO THAT OTHERWISE WE WOULD NEED TO SEND THEM BACK LIKE THEY USUALLY ARE ANSWER A CHANGE OR WHATEVER.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE JURISDICTION.
NOT NECESSARILY IN IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE, WE USED A TAVERN LICENSE BECAUSE IT'S A LESS RESTRICTIVE ON-PREMISE LICENSE.
THEY CAN HOLD EVENTS, THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO AND THEY CAN ALSO HOLD THEIR OWN EVENTS.
SO LET'S SAY A MOTHER'S DAY, THEY WANTED TO HAVE A, A MOTHER'S DAY LUNCH UNDER THIS LICENSE.
AND WE HAVE CATERERS IN THIS TOWN THAT HOLD MOTHER'S DAY BRUNCHES ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO INVITE PEOPLE INTO THEIR PROMISE.
SO CATERERS UNDER NEW YORK STATE LIQUOR LAW CAN ONLY HOLD EVENTS THAT THEY'RE HIRED BY AN OUTSIDE PERSON.
THIS THE TAVERN LICENSE, EVEN THOUGH IT CAN MEET ALL THE OTHER RESTRICTIONS YOU'VE GIVEN THEM, ALLOWS THEM TO FEATURE THEIR OWN EVENT.
SO THEY WANT TO HOLD A YOGA CLASS AND INVITE THE PUBLIC INTO THAT EVENT.
WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING OUT OUT NO OUTDOOR ALCOHOL ON YOUR APPLICATION, YOU HAD TO PUT WHERE YOU WOULD BE SERVING ALCOHOL.
SO THAT WOULD BE JUST THAT MAIN BUILDING, CORRECT? YEAH, WE TOOK THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT.
WELL YEAH, I I KNOW YOU TOOK THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT, BUT THAT INCLUDES OUTSIDE.
SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, BUT THE RESOLUTION DOESN'T CALL FOR OUTDOOR USE, RIGHT? FOR ALCOHOL IT'S ONLY, IT'S INDOOR USE, WHICH ONLY INDOOR USE.
SO YOU COULDN'T HAVE LIKE ALCOHOL AT A FOOD TRUCK FOR EXAMPLE, AN ALCOHOLIC FOOD TRUCK.
YOU COULD NOT HAVE ANY ALCOHOL BEING SOLD FROM LIKE A FOOD TRUCK OR OTHER VENDOR OR IN A TENT.
IT WOULD HAVE TO ONLY BE IN THE BUILDING.
SO THE RESOLUTION, UM, FOR THE ZONING VOTE ACTUALLY REMOVED SOME LANGUAGE SURROUNDING THE WORDS, PARTICULARLY SURROUNDING NO OUTDOOR ALCOHOL ALLOWED.
I BROUGHT A COPY OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THAT ZONING MEETING AS WELL IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO HAND THEM OUT.
THAT LANGUAGE WAS VOTED ON AND REMOVED BECAUSE WE VOCALLY SAID WE CAN'T RUN A BEACHFRONT BUSINESS WITHOUT HAVING ALCOHOL OUTDOORS.
I MEAN THAT'S BEING REAL HERE.
PEOPLE WANTING TO ENJOY THE BEACHFRONT.
IT'D BE TOUGH TO ASK ANYBODY TO COME TO THE BEACH AND TELL 'EM TO GO INSIDE.
WELL WE HAVE A COPY OF THE MINUTES WITHOUT DUE RESPECT.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT WE HAVE A COPY OF THE MINUTES.
WE HAVE THE COPY OF THE RESOLUTION AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA COVER TWO THINGS.
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NUMBER 10 OF THE RESOLUTION SITE PLAN APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD IS REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT THE ABOVE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AND ANY OTHER CONDITIONS PLACED BY THE TOWN BOARD AND OTHER SITE PLAN ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED.LANDSCAPING, FENCING, LIGHTING, ILLUSTRATING LOCATION OF OUTDOOR USES, PARKING LOT, DESIGN BUILDING ENTRANCES AND OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENT, SEWAGE AND DRAINAGE.
NOW THE SEWAGE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN HANDLED BY ERIE COUNTY.
THE 9 25 23 SITE PLAN PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD WILL BE AMENDED PER THE COMMISSIONS OF THE REZONING.
SO WE'RE CHARGED WITH MAKING SURE THAT WHAT THEY WROTE AND WHAT THEY WROTE WAS, AND I'M REFERRING TO NUMBER FIVE B, THE EVENT, FACILITY AND SITE WILL HAVE CAPACITY TO HOST THE FOLLOWING RETAIL SALES, STORAGE OF PRODUCTS, TASTING AREAS, AND INDOOR ALCOHOL USE DURING APPROVED PRIVATE EVENTS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION ON CHANGING THIS RESOLUTION.
SO IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANY OUTDOOR USE, THEN THERE'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE CAN'T APP, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE IT BACK TO CHANGE WHAT THE TOWN BOARD HAS MADE IN THE RESOLUTION.
AND THAT'S WHY THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ALCOHOL LICENSE.
SO I'M WORKING OFF AN AMENDMENT TO THAT, THAT STRUCK THE WORDS.
UH, NO OUTDOOR ALCOHOL FACILITIES.
AND THIS IS NOT A BAR THAT IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WAS STRICKEN FROM THOSE NOTES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE PROCEEDED AS WE DID.
YEAH, WELL WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE IT CAME RIGHT AFTER FIVE MEETING YOU JUST WROTE.
SO DID THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN THE MINUTES AS PUBLISHED ON THE TIME OF HAMBURG'S WEBSITE FROM THIS EVENT.
I HAVE IT RIGHT FROM THE TIME WEBSITE.
YOU PULLED IT FROM I SEE WHAT THEY, YEAH, SO YOU, LET'S, SO THE WHOLE POINT WAS IT WAS DELETED BECAUSE OF THIS REASON.
IT'S NOT ON THE DATE OF WE DON'T, I CAN ONLY GO WITH WHAT I'M ON THE MINUTES FILE.
SO
SO THIS IS, SO PAGE 17 HAVE AN ORDER FOR CONSIDERATION.
APPROVAL OF REQUIRED BY, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SEEING THIS.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST I'M BEING TOLD BY THIS.
SO AGAIN, I MEAN WE ASKED FOR THIS.
WE, WE ASKED FOR THIS BEFORE, PRIOR TO THE VOTE BECAUSE WE REITERATED THE IMPORTANCE TO RUN OUR BUSINESS.
IT WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO ALCOHOL AGAIN, BEING A BEACHFRONT FACILITY.
WE COULD NOT OPERATE THIS BUSINESS WITHOUT HAVING, WITHOUT OUTDOOR ALCOHOL.
AND HE REITERATED THAT DURING THE ZONING WE SPOKE YOU COULD REFERENCE UH, THE MINUTES AS WELL.
SO I THINK THE REASON WHY THAT IT, WHEN I TALKED TO TOWN COUNCIL, THEY TOLD ME THAT THE REASON WHY THEY STRUCK THAT OUT IS BECAUSE THEY LIMITED, UM, 'CAUSE THIS SAYS NO OUTDOOR USE FACILITIES.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAD THE FIVE B WAS, OR THE WHATEVER NUMBER THAT WAS FIVE B WAS ONLY INDOOR ALCOHOL USE DURING PRIVATE EVENTS.
AND THEN THEY STRUCK THE NO OUTDOOR FACILITIES 'CAUSE THEY FELT IT RE REDUNDANT AND THAT IT, THAT THE NO, UH, IN ONLY INDOOR ALCOHOL USE.
SO A POSITIVE INSTEAD OF LISTING A NEGATIVE IN THE RESOLUTION IS HOW THEY, HOW THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT.
SO, UM, THIS ISN'T SAYING THAT THEY STRUCK OUT OUTDOOR USE, THEY REMOVED THE VERBIAGE BECAUSE THE ONLY ALCOHOL USE THEY WERE USING.
THIS IS HOW I'M JUST THE MESSAGE.
CINDY DOES THE, DOES THE ONE YOU HAVE HAVE THE TOWN COURT FILE STAMPED ON IT? YES.
I THINK THAT'S, OR I MEAN I'M CONCERNED EVEN, I MEAN AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS NOT ON PAYING BALL.
IT'S NOT A PUBLIC ACCESS FACILITY.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS ARE CONTINUING TO ASK FOR, TO ME, MAKE IT UNCLEAR.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT OR WHO THE RIGHT PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS AS TO WHETHER WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ON THE SITE PLAN IS THE SAME AS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF USES AND TYPE OF USES CONTINUES TO INCREASE.
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WHAT I, I THINK THAT THE NUMBER AND TYPES OF USES ARE JUST INCREASING BECAUSE THERE'S AN ET CETERA AND OTHERS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION SO THAT THERE'S JUST MORE POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.BUT YET THE ACTUAL, THE SUBSTANTIVE USES HAVE BEEN THE NOVELTY GAMES OUTSIDE, WITHIN THE SMALL POINTED AREAS FOR THE FOOD TRUCK AND POTENTIAL TENT.
AND THEN THE, UH, ACTUAL EVENT FACILITY ITSELF.
I JUST WANNA BE LIKE, I'M INCREASINGLY CONCERNED THAT THEY ASK, ARE ASKING FOR THINGS TO BE STRUCK.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE A BAR SHOULDN'T BE OPEN TO THIS PUBLIC.
IT SHOULDN'T LIKE, AND THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT WE'VE ALL HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE COMMUNITY IS I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS USE AND THIS FACILITY, EVEN IF IT SAYS OTHER ACTIVITY, THAT TO ME SAYS OTHER TYPES OF AN ACTIVITY AT AN EVENT FACILITY OR USING THE OUTDOOR SPACE.
NOT BAR, NOT A FOOD TRUCK RALLY, NOT A WHATEVER, THE PUBLIC.
AND LIKE THERE'S A NUMBER OF CONCERNS THAT I HAVE THAT SOME OF THE, THE PUSHBACK.
AND SO TO THAT EXTENT I AGREE WITH, UH, OUR CHAIR THAT IT SAYS THAT IT'S ONLY GONNA BE INDOOR ALCOHOL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE CLARIFICATION WAS.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S, I DON'T SEE THIS AS SAYING THAT NO OUTDOOR ALCOHOL FACILITIES MEANS THAT THERE COULD BE OUTDOOR FACILITIES.
BUT THEN AGAIN, I COME FROM A DIFFERENT MIND.
AND I, AND BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME, AND I'VE TALKED TO COUNSEL ON THIS, I'VE TALKED TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I, I THINK THAT THE, THE CONFUSION IS THAT THEY INTENDED, THEY INTEND NO OUTDOOR USE FOR ALCOHOL.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE THAT'S NOT HOW THE MEETING MINUTES.
IT'S NOT HOW THE DISCUSSION WAS.
IT'S NOT HOW IT WAS WAS, I MEAN WE VERBALLY STOOD UP AND DESCRIBED WHY THEN AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TABLE IT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO COUN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO COUNCIL.
'CAUSE I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS.
IF ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY VIEW ON YOU SEEING YES REPORTED IT IS.
I KNOW THAT WE DID AFTER, AFTER THE RESOLUTION WAS MADE, WE DID SEEK CLARIFICATION.
'CAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED WITH THE LANGUAGE.
YOU KNOW, WE DID SPEAK TO SUPERVISOR HOGUE, YOU KNOW, HE SUGGESTED SOME SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND UNDERSTANDING.
MAYBE THERE'S NO BENDING ALCOHOL OF ALCOHOL BENDING OUTDOORS.
BUT THAT ALLOWANCE OF ALCOHOL TO BE ON THE SITE, ON THE PROPERTY, SOMEBODY OUTSIDE UNDER A TENT ENJOYING A BEVERAGE WOULD BE A REASONABLE LOGICAL MIDDLE GROUND.
YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING LIKE, WE'RE HERE TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
I I I MEAN WE'VE
WE DON'T HAVE THE YOU'VE GOT, I CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT AS A BOARD.
THEY DELETE, THEY DELETED IT OUT OF THAT, OUT OF THE AMENDMENTS, OUT OF THE CONCESSIONS BECAUSE OF THAT.
SEE, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE READING THAT THEY DELETED NO OUTDOOR ALCOHOL FACILITIES.
I'M READING THAT IT WAS AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY REMOVED IT BECAUSE THEY HAD ONLY, UM, INDOOR ALCOHOL USE.
IT DOESN'T SAY ONLY INDOOR ALCOHOL.
IT DOESN'T, IT JUST SAYS INDOOR ALCOHOL USE FOR EVENTS.
THE ONLY, AND I GUESS IF WE COULD BACK UP FOR A SECOND, I THOUGHT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THERE'S NO YOU'RE SAYING ALCOHOL, YOU'RE, HERE'S OUTDOOR ALCOHOL BOOST.
THERE'S NO OUTDOOR FACIL OUTDOOR ALCOHOL FACILITY ON THAT SITE.
I'M, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A FACILITY.
OKAY, SO LET ME CLARIFY AGAIN WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I DON'T, I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR.
I'M TALKING ABOUT OUTDOOR ALCOHOL USE ON THE SITE.
IT DOES AFFECT SEEKER, IT DOES AFFECT THAT SITE PLAN.
AND I READ YOU NUMBER 10, WHAT THIS BOARD HAS TO DO.
WE HAVE TO MATCH, MATCH THIS RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION THAT WE HAVE IN HAND THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US, NOT WHAT YOU HAVE.
SO AT THIS POINT I'M SUGGESTING TO THE BOARD, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY THAT WE TABLED US AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO COUNCIL.
I CAN'T, I I DON'T HAVE ANY RESOLUTION.
AND SO IF YOU'RE INSISTING THAT THERE'S OUTDOOR ALCOHOL USE AND THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD.
I HAVE AS A BOARD, AS THE CHAIR OF THIS BOARD, HAVE TALKED TO TOWN COUNCIL, HAVE TALKED TO THE TOWN BOARD, HAVE TALKED TO EVERY MEMBER THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS, INCLUDING ALL THESE BOARD MEMBERS.
NO ONE HAD ANY INDICATION THAT THERE WAS ANY OUTDOOR USE WHATSOEVER OF ALCOHOL.
I SENT THESE MEETING MINUTES AS WELL AS OUR CONCERNS TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO AS WELL AS TO EVERY PERSON THAT WAS INVOLVED.
SO I MEAN THIS WAS, ALL THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR MONTHS SINCE THE ZONING.
I WOULD AGREE THAT WE NEED TO GET THEIR INPUT IF YOU PROVIDED THAT FORWARD TO THEIR REVIEW AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK TO OUR COUNCIL AND THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE BEST FOR US TO, TO TABLE THIS.
I COULD YOU TO ANOTHER MEETING SO THAT WE CAN GET THEIR INTERPRETATION AND HAVE OUR COUNCIL TALK TO THEIR COUNCIL BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
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ZONING WAS THIS, THIS WAS, WAS BOTH FOUR MONTHS AGO OR THREE MONTHS AGO.THE SETTING WAS THE, THE ISSUE IS THAT, UH, AGAIN, JOSEPH GOGAN, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEY, THERE WAS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS FILED AS PART OF THE, THE TOWN BOARD PROCESS.
AND SO THAT'S THE LAW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MINUTES, THAT'S THE LAW, WHAT WAS PASSED AS THE RESOLUTION.
IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH WHAT WAS PASSED AS A RESOLUTION, THERE'S A PROCESS TO DEAL WITH THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT IS THAT THERE'S A SPECIFIC PROCESS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.
AND I'M NOT GONNA GIVE LEGAL ADVICE, UM, THAT YOU'RE ENTITLED LEGAL COUNSEL IF YOU WANT, ABOUT AN ISSUE WITH HOW THE, THE MINUTES AND THE RESOLUTION AS VOTED ON WAS FILED BY THE CLERK AND WAS FILED WITH ALBANY AS THE LOCAL LAW FOR, FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND SO THERE'S A, THERE'S AGAIN A PROCESS TO RESOLVE THAT IF THERE'S A A PROBLEM.
IS THERE A PROCESS TO, UM, DISCUSS WITH THE BOARD OF, UM, AMENDING THE PROCESS FOR AMENDED RESOLUTIONS AND FEEDBACK? YOU HAVE THE TOWN BOARD.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, UM, AT THIS POINT, HANG ON, AT THIS POINT I'M NOT RECOMMENDING ANYBODY GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU THE BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD.
WELL THEY WANNA ASK ABOUT THE TOWN BOARD PROCESS.
THEY WOULD NEED TO ASK THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT AS FAR AS THIS PROCESS, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING THAT UM, WE TABLE IT AND FIGURE OUT WHERE, WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS.
'CAUSE I CAN'T, I, ARE WE IN AGREEMENT TO THAT? TO TABLE IT? NO, I'M NOT PROPOSING TABLE IT ENOUGH.
YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TABLE.
IF WE CAN GET CLARIFICATION FROM EVERYONE BEFORE THAT TIME.
DO YOU THINK WE CAN WORK THIS OUT IN TWO WEEKS? OKAY, SO LIEUTENANT WILL BE PUT IT ON.
WELL WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA BRING 'EM BACK.
IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
YEAH, BUT WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THEM WAIT A MONTH EITHER.
SO WHY DON'T WE PUT 'EM ON AND IF WE CAN'T DO SAYING PUT IT ON THERE.
PUT THEM ON AND THEN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION MM-HMM
SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS WHEN? THE 2020.
WE TABLE THIS, UH, ALCHEMY SCHES UNTIL MARCH 20TH.
WE'LL SEE ON THE 20TH AND I'LL BE, HAVE AN ANSWER BY THAT POINT.
WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 20TH HOPEFULLY.
YOUR HOME'S GONNA ENTERTAIN A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AT THIS POINT.
I DID LIKE COURT ADVANCE BUSINESS SLOW.
YOU ALL ARE LIKE TEACHERS LIKE RICHARD TAUGHT ENVIRONMENTAL.
YEAH, ACTUALLY DID FOR A WHILE.
THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL BEING LIFE PROFESSORS.
ARE THEY THE OTHER MAIN THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
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YEAH.YEAH, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO I VIOLATION, I BELIEVE I GET IT BACK IN 19.
JOHN SAID, WHERE ARE GAS? IT'S OFFICE OFFICES AND DENTAL OFFICES.
SO NOT HE'S, IT'S BETTER THAN THAT.
UH, SO HIS BIRTHDAY IS BEEN NOVEMBER.
OKAY, SO HE'S AT THE, THE YOUNGEST KID CLASS.
RIGHT? HE STARTED MATTERS HEARING FIVE, FOUR NATIONAL ONLY 20 MAKE.
SO YOU GOOGLE I UNDERSTAND DATE.
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HEY, WHAT EVERY, WHAT DO YOU LIKE TO GET BACK YOUR SEATS? ARE YOU GONNA ME THAT FOR MY ANNIVERSARY? ORANGE? EVERYONE, I WAS WAITING FOR YOU GUYS.WOULD EVERYBODY LIKE TO FIND THEIR SEATS SO WE CAN GET BACK TO THE MEETING PLEASE.
ANYBODY ELSE UP? SO OUR NEXT CASE IS, UM, DATA DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL ON AT 57 U AGAIN 57 UNIT TOWN HALL SUBDIVISION ON VACANT LAND WEST OF BRIAR CLOCK.
SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, GATO DEVELOPMENT.
AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL AT YOUR LAST MEETING, YOU AUTHORIZED THE PLAINTIFF DEPARTMENT PREPARED DRAFT PRELIMINARY PLA RESOLUTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UH, I'M NOT GONNA GO BACK THROUGH THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THIS SITE, BUT REST ASSURED IT IS A VERY LONG HISTORY.
YOU DID PREVIOUSLY HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CURRENT PROJECT LAYOUT DURING YOUR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH.
CLOSED IT SUBSEQUENTLY, YOU DID ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT ON NOVEMBER 15TH.
AND THE ONLY TOPIC THAT'S LEFT FOR DISCUSSION IS THE FACT THAT DURING THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT PAIN OF RECREATION FEES.
WE DID SUBMIT A LETTER WITH A COPY OF, OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS ENTERED INTO IN JUNE 9TH, 1993.
WE HAVE THE PREDECESSOR OWNER AND THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, WHICH STATES VERY CLEARLY THAT RECREATION FEES FOR THE ENTIRE OVERALL PUD HAVE BEEN WAIVED.
SO THAT'S NOW BEEN IN PLACE FOR 31 YEARS.
SO IT'S OUR POSITION, UM, THAT THE RECREATION FEES WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE OVERALL SITE HAVE BEEN WAIVED.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE, BESIDES THAT NOT NECESSARILY RELEVANT, WE ARE SHOWING FIVE ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS MORE THAN 50% OF THE SITE, AND THAT INCLUDES 2.24 ACRES OF RECREATIONAL SPACE.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND OF COURSE IF WITH ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CURRENT LAB OR THE LENGTHY, LENGTHY HISTORY THAT GOT US WE'RE IN TODAY.
INTERESTING, I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS 'EM.
I I FEEL LIKE DREW HAD A COMMENT AT ONE POINT ABOUT THE RECREATIONAL FEE.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS? YOU YES.
SO OUR DETERMINATION HAS BEEN AN, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THE APPROVAL RESOLUTION IS THE P BOARD HAVE TWO OPTIONS IN OUR EYES THAT EITHER YOU ACCEPT DEDICATION OF LANDS OR YOU ACCEPT PAYMENT, YOU MOVE LANDS.
UM, IF, YOU KNOW THEY WANT TO APPEAL IT, THAT IT'LL GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE STANCE THAT WE'VE TAKEN.
SO ON THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU'LL SEE, IT'LL SAY THAT WE ANTICIPATE THAT THEY'LL PAY THE FEE, UH, THEY'LL TAKE IT TO THE TOWN BOARD FROM THERE.
IT'S, IT'S THE SECOND CONDITION.
AND, AND OUR POSITION IS THE AGREEMENT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
IT, IT, IT IS CLEAR AS THAT IT'S WHAT THE AGREEMENT SAYS MR. CLARK.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE, UM, THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE IT.
YOU DON'T NEED TO WA WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE DON'T HAVE THE, WE DON'T HAVE A COPY OF YOUR LETTER.
DO WE HAVE THAT, THAT FOLDER? IS IT IN FOLDER SO I CAN QUOTE IT? YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IT WAS WAIVED IN 1990S THREE, RIGHT? WHAT? UH, BUT I THINK YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DREW LAST WEEK AND HE TOLD YOU THAT IT WAS NOT GONNA BE WAIVED BECAUSE BUT DREW'S NOT ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
RIGHT? I MEAN DREW BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LAST TO MAKE THE DECISION.
NO, NO, I KNOW DREW BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED MY SUBMISSION.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE AGREEMENT WAS WITH THE TOWN BOARD RATHER THAN YOU ACTUALLY IMPOSING THE CONDITION IF YOU WANTED TO, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SAYING WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE, JUST LEAVE THAT FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO DECIDE RATHER THAN ACTUALLY IMPOSING A CONDITION THAT I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, IS LAWFUL OR COMPLIES WITH HER PREVIOUS AGREEMENT.
MAYBE OUR ATTORNEY CAN WEIGH IN BECAUSE THE PUD IS AMENDED FOR THIS, THE TOWN BOARD AMENDED THE PUD, ARE WE BOUND BY THAT AGREEMENT THAT COVERED THE ENTIRE THING? OR CAN WE CONSIDER THIS PROJECT AS AMENDED BY THE TOWN BOARD ON ITS OWN? I I I'M AFRAID TO GIVE AN ANSWER.
YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT DOCUMENTS.
SO THE AGREEMENT WAS ATTACHED.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS, YEAH, I MEAN, I I HAVE THE LANGUAGE.
SO RIGHT ON THE TOP OF PAGE THREE, YOUR LETTER.
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YEAH, SO IT, THE LETTER IS ATTACHED AND IT SIGNED BY WHAT WAS THEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN SUPERVISOR.SO IT DOES EXPLICITLY STATE JERRY
THAT IT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED.
UM, ON THE TOP OF PAGE THREE OF THAT LETTER, DO YOU READ THAT? YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? I CAN READ IT.
IN CONSIDERATION OF DEVELOPER AGREEING TO CONSTRUCT THE HEART TRAIL AT ITS COST AND EXPENSE IN SETTING ASIDE SUFFICIENT LANDS FOR RECREATION AND OR OPEN SPACE TO MORE THAN MEET THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING LAWS OF THE TOWN.
THE TOWN HAMBURG HEREBY RELIEVED THE DEVELOPER FROM PAYING ANY ADDITIONAL RECREATION FEES PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 31 OF THE TOWN CODE OR ANY SIMILAR CODE AND HEREBY AUTHORIZES THE RETURN OF ANY SUCH FEES PAID.
SEATTLE BROOK POINT SUBDIVISION, OF COURSE THIS IS NOT THE SUBDIVISION EITHER.
IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT AND IT DOESN'T SAY THE ENTIRE PUD.
AND IF YOU LOOK, I FIRST QUOTED ONE PARENT THE WHOLE AGREEMENT.
YES, IT IS FOR THE ENTIRE PUD CLEAR AS STATE.
JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, I, I'M WILLING TO, TO VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION WITH CONT CONDITION WITH CONDITION NUMBER TWO AND I'M NOT WILLING TO VOTE ON IT TODAY WITHOUT IT.
AND ULTIMATELY THIS, IT'S UP TO THIS BOARD HOW YOU'RE GONNA DECIDE.
SO I'M NOT, I JUST HAVE TO ADVANCE OUR POSITION FOR THE RECORD.
SO BILL, YOU WOULD VOTE ON IT WITH IF WE LEFT THE RECREATION FEES ON THERE? YES.
OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? YES, I WOULD TOO.
SO THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA VOTE IS YEAH, I JUST, AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT I'M NOT AGREEING WITH THAT CONDITION.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER? I DON'T.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO STOP? THAT'S ALL WE HAD.
HOW ABOUT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT? NOTHING.
DO YOU HAVE TO UPDATE THEIR LETTERS? I HAVE.
IT'S ON THERE AND YOU GET TO READ IT TONIGHT.
TOLD
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATION AT MEETING FROM MARCH OF 2021 TO FEBRUARY OF 2024 TABLE FOR EXTENSIVE PERIODS, THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND WHERE THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS.
AND A NEGATIVE DECLARATION WAS ISSUED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND WHERE THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2023 AND RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT SUBDIVISION APPLICATION IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN OF HAMBURG SUBDIVISION CODE, THE TOWNHOUSE REGULATIONS IN THE ZONING CODE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PUD APPROVAL AND OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS OF THE TOWN ZONING CODE.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HANDBOOK PLANNING BOARD HEREBY ISSUES PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED MARCH 6TH, 2024.
TWO RECREATION FEES IN LIEU OF LAND WILL BE REQUIRED AS THERE ARE NO APPROPRIATE LANDS FOR DEDICATION TO THE TOWN.
THREE SIDEWALK SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED AS ILLUSTRATED ON THE APPROVED PLANS.
FOUR PERMANENT OPEN SPACE SHALL BE SHOWN ON THE APPROVED PLAN AND PROTECTED THROUGH A TOWN APPROVED EASEMENT.
THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA WILL BE RESTRICTED AS PERMANENT OPEN SPACE AND WILL PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE DRAINAGE EASEMENT TO THE TOWN FOR EMERGENCY REPAIRS.
THE HEART TRAIL SHALL BE INSTALLED AS ILLUSTRATED ON THE PLANS DURING THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T SEE YOU FOR MONTHS AND NOW YOU'RE BACK? OKAY, SO OUR NEXT CASE AND OUR FINAL CASE FOR THIS EVENING IS HAMBURG RETAIL LLC REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A NINE UNIT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AT 4 1 0 0 ST.
THE PROJECT INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NINE UNIT TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROJECT SITE CONTAINS EXISTING STRUCTURES WITH SOME APPEARING TO BE REMOVED AT SOME REMAINING.
THE SITE IS ON WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL AND THE USE IS, UM, NEEDED A USE VARIANCE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WAS BRANDED LAST NIGHT BY THE ZBA.
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SO WE NEED TO DECIDE IF WE NEED ANY FURTHER INFORMATION TO, TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN OR DO WE OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.SO PLANNING DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OH, SORRY.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER ON THIS? YES, WE ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT WE SPOKE WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO ATTENDED THE DBA MEETING.
HE ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THAT NEW VARIANCE HAD NO CONDITIONS ON.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THE NEW VARIANCE WILL APPROVED NO CONDITIONS.
UM, THEN THE SEVERE INTER VARIS WERE GRANTED AS WELL.
SO, BUT I DO WANT, AND, AND AGAIN SEAN HOPKINS FOR THE RECORD ALSO BACK WITH ME IS TOM FOX ON BEHALF OF APPLICANT.
SO WHEN THE ZONING BOARD APPEALS APPROVES A USE FAIR, THEY ARE APPROVING IT FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THEY GRANTED A USE FOR, IT'S FOR NINE UNITS.
WE CAN'T COME BACK TO THIS PLAN BOARD AND SAY, WELL NO CONDITIONS.
SO I DON'T THINK THE FACT THERE'S NOT A CONDITIONS IS A BIG DEAL.
IT'S BASED ON THE LAYOUT WITH SHORT MANAGEMENT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL WALK THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION VERY QUICKLY.
UH, THE SITE ITSELF IS LOCATED AT 4,100 ST.
YOU CAN SEE IT HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH LAKE SHORE AND ST.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS OVER THE COURSE OF NUMEROUS PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
ABOUT SEVEN TAPE TENTHS OF AN ACRE IS WHAT WE'RE DEVELOPING.
AND THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE LOCATED ON ST.
FRANCIS WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE VACANT FORMER GAS STATION.
THERE'S A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF USES IN THIS VICINITY AND ACTUALLY ON THE SITE, INCLUDING THAT VACANT GAS STATION.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CONTAMINATION ON THAT SITE, UH, IT'S DISCUSSED IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, WILL BE CLEANED UP TO THE DE'S BROWNFIELD CLEANUP STANDARDS.
WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS A NINE UNIT TOWN HOME STYLE APARTMENT BUILDING.
I WANNA MAKE CLEAR BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL PRECISE DEFINITION OF TOWN HOMES IN YOUR CODE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THESE ARE TOWN HOME STYLE UNITS FOR LEASE.
BUT YOU JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION WHILE YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT IT IS NOT IN THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM.
IT'S IN A DIFFERENT VOLUNTARY MEETING.
GUESS NOW WAS AT YOUR DECEMBER 20TH MEETING.
UH, THIS SITE IS ZONED WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL IS ALSO LOCATED IN THE ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAD WAS WHAT'S THE REAL CHARACTER IN THIS AREA? SO WE DID PROVIDE 'EM WITH THIS AREA AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S CERTAINLY MIXED USE.
I MEAN WE HAVE PARTY DEALERSHIPS, CAR WASHES, PARKING LOTS, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL APARTMENTS, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND TWO FAMILY HOMES.
WE THINK THIS IS CLEARLY COMPATIBLE WITH THAT AREA AND AGAIN, REPRESENTS A SUITABLE REDEVELOPMENT OF UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY.
HOW DID WE GET HERE? WE INITIALLY PRESENTED THIS PROJECT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS DURING ITS MEETING ON JANUARY 2ND, 2023.
SUBSEQUENTLY, YOU DECIDED TO, UM, SEEK LEAD AGENCY STATUS.
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS THEN ULTIMATELY AGREED.
AND ON NOVEMBER 9TH OF LAST YEAR, WE DID RECEIVE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE WATERFRONT OR FROM THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE.
ULTIMATELY, YOU ISSUED A CONSISTENCY, DETERMINATION, AND A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON DECEMBER 20TH.
WE DID, UH, THEN GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
AND DURING ITS MEETING LAST EVENING, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GRANTED NUMBER ONE, THE USE VARIANCE, BUT ALSO THREE SETBACK VARIANCES THAT WE WERE SEEKING.
THE COPY OF THE SITE PLAN, THAT PURPLE ARROW IS MEANT TO DENOTE THE INTERNAL PROPERTY LINE.
WE'RE SEEKING TWO APPROVALS FROM YOU.
UM, MINOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO CREATE THAT PROPERTY LINE.
WE ARE SHOWING EXTENSIVE GREEN SPACE AND LANDSCAPING ALONG LAKE SHORE.
THESE ARE THE RENDERINGS WHICH WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO YOU.
AND AGAIN, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS.
THESE RENDERINGS, AGAIN, SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE SPENT A LOT OF TIMES EVALUATING AND ULTIMATELY THEY WERE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE SHOWING.
SO ALL WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR THIS EVENING IS A COUPLE THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, WE ARE ASKING FOR MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL BASED ON PAST PRECEDENT WITH THIS BOARD, GIVEN THAT WE'RE LITERALLY JUST SUBDIVIDING THE PARCEL INTO TWO PARCELS AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T INVOLVE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
WE'RE ASKING TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT OF FILING A MAP COVER AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.
IT'S SIMPLY NOT NECESSARY IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PRO, WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN WE'RE ASKING FOR SITE BY APPROVAL.
BUT I WOULD NOTE TWO ADDITIONAL THINGS FOR THE RECORDS.
NUMBER ONE, UM, I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING WHILE IT'S BEEN PRESENTED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD ACTUALLY EVER HELD A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, WE WOULD ASK YOU AUTHORIZE THE PLAN DEPARTMENT TO PREPARE DRAFT APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION OF YOUR MEETING.
AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM, WHICH JOSH AND I TALKED ABOUT TODAY, AND WE SUBSEQUENTLY TALKED TO CARMINA WOOD DESIGN.
WE WILL ALSO SUBMIT A LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR, UH, PURPOSES OF YOUR REVIEW AT THE NEXT PLANNING ORDINANCE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? TO ADD? UH, NO.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THE WAIVER OF THE UM,
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YEAH, I WILL.SO NORMALLY, NORMALLY SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
WHICH ONE WAS IT? THE ERHARDT.
NORMALLY WHEN YOU GET A SUBDIVISION APPROVED, IT'S FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
YOU'RE PUTTING IN ROADS, YOU'RE PUTTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THE FINAL STEP IN THAT PROCESS IS YOU ACTUALLY GO FILE A MAP COVER AT ERIE COUNTY COURT'S OFFICE.
IT HAS TO BE SIGNED OFF BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
IT HAS TO BE SIGNED OFF BY THE TOWN.
WHEN YOU'RE SIMPLY CREATING A SUBDIVISION OF A COMMERCIAL PARCEL INTO TWO SEPARATE PARCELS, THE FOLLOWING OF A MAP COVER IS NOT NEEDED.
AND IN FACT, OVER THE COURSE OF MY 25 YEARS, ALL IT DOES IS CREATE CONFUSION WITH EVERYONE INCLUDING THE CLERK'S OFFICE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE'VE DONE THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN.
PROBABLY THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE WOULD'VE BEEN THAT JOE SPINO CAR WASH, WHICH WAS ROYAL WASH.
BUT EVERY TIME I'VE ASKED THIS BOARD TO APPROVE THAT WAIVER FOR TWO LOTS, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN GRANTED.
AND IF YOU WANT THE P DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THAT, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S TO AVOID AN UNNECESSARY DUPLICATIVE AND STEP THAT CREATES A LOT OF CONFUSION.
WE WOULD SIMPLY REPORT A DEED TO THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE AND PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY.
SO WE MOVE THAT WE'RE WAIVING THE SUBJECT.
I'M GONNA ASK MEMBER CLARK IF HE REMEMBERS DOING THIS IN THE PAST.
SO I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS, UM, PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW WE NEED IT FOR SUBDIVISION AND CYCLING.
SEPARATE FOR BOTH OF 'EM, RIGHT? THAT CORRECT JOSH? IT IS ACTUALLY IN CODE FOR BOTH.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE PRETTY FULL.
ARE WE NOT? SO RIGHT NOW, THE NEXT MEETING, WELL WE HAVE OFFICIALLY IS ALCHEMY SHORES, THE BENDERSON PROJECT, BRIAN EARHART.
AND THEN, I MEAN, 30 OCTOBER 30, 33 BAYVIEW THERE TWO SEPARATE BY COUNTY ONES.
AND THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL HEARINGS IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD.
NOT A SINGLE PERSON THAT'S EVER SHOWED UP TO OPPOSE THIS PROJECT.
SO KNOWING THAT TOM AND I ARE ACTUALLY FREED FOR THAT NIGHT, IF WE COULD PUT IT ON, WE'D APPRECIATE IT.
SO, UM, YOU YOU NEED A MOTION? SORRY.
I'LL, I'LL JUST MOVE, I'LL MOVE ON.
I WAS LOOKING AT CALY TOO, BUT SHE WAS AT HER FAULT.
UM, SO I MOVED THAT THIS, UM, THAT WE ORDER A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 20TH OF MARCH FOR 4 1 0 0, UM, ST.
FRANCIS DRIVE AND AUTHORIZED RESOLUTION AND AUTHORIZED RESOLUTIONS AT THE SAME TIME.
ALL THE METHODS IS THE ASSESSOR.
WE'VE GOT 0.1 ENOUGH, 0.1 AND 0.11.
OKAY, SO LAST THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS MINUTES FOR APPROVAL.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS ON THE MINUTES? GUYS ARE SO TALKATIVE TONIGHT.
WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING.
ABSTENTION, UM, FROM KAITLIN MCCORMICK BECAUSE SHE WAS ABSENT FROM THE MEETING.
UM, SO THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 21ST HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
DAN, DAN, YOU'RE ON MOTION TO ADJOURN.