* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:08:50] BECAUSE [00:08:50] HE'S BEEN AROUND LONGER WOULD BE, WHILE WE MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD, I THINK WE MAY HAVE HAD SOME OF THESE IN THE RECORD AS PART OF THAT PLAN TO BEGIN WITH. YES. UM, BEFORE WE MADE THAT DECISION, THEY WERE CERTAINLY BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY. SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY NEW INFORMATION. IF WE WERE, IF WE THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN HERE THAT WOULD'VE CHANGED OUR MIND, WE COULDN'T POSTPONE THE VOTE THEN AND SAID, OKAY, LET'S SEE THESE PAPERS. UM, SINCE 1993, IN 2007, THE TOWN BOARD HAS GENERALLY STOPPED ACCEPTING LAND IN LIE OF RECREATION SPACE. SO THE TOWN HAS KIND OF TAKEN A DIFFERENT WHAT NO FEES. YEAH, SORRY. UM, SO THE TOWN HAS TAKEN A DIFFERENT APPROACH AS THAT THAN THEY DID BACK THEN. A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSION ON THIS PROJECT WAS OPEN SPACE, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE DETERMINED THAT THINGS LIKE RETENTION PONDS AND A CLIFF WERE ALL PART OF THE OPEN SPACE. THE RESIDENTS ARGUED THAT [00:10:01] IT SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THE OPEN SPACE BECAUSE IT COULDN'T BE USED FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. NOW, OUR FINDINGS THAT IT WAS, IT WAS PART OF OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN SAYING IT'S PART OF RECREATION. I DON'T THINK THAT WE EVER DECIDED THAT THOSE THINGS THAT COULDN'T BE USED FOR RECREATION AS PART OF THE RECREATION. SO I THINK WE SHOULDN'T REVISIT OUR DECISION. AND ON TOP OF THAT, THERE IS A PROCESS. IF THE APPLICANT THINKS WE MADE THE WRONG DECISION, WHERE THEY CAN GO TO THE TOWN BOARD, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO AN ARTICLE 78, THERE'S A OUTLINED PROCESS THAT THEY CAN FOLLOW. IF THEY DON'T LIKE, IF THEY DISAGREE WITH OUR DECISION, THE TOWN BOARD CAN LOOK AT THE SAME PAPERWORK WE LOOK AT AND MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION. SO THAT'S MY POSITION. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I WANNA ADD ONE THING. IF YOU, AND IF I REMEMBER THIS CORRECTLY, UM, AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OPEN SPACE, WE CLARIFIED THAT IT WAS OPEN SPACE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND NOT WHAT, NOT RECREATIONAL SPACE. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE BIG DISCUSSION WAS. THAT WAS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT FOR. RIGHT. THE EVERYTH THINKS WELL OVER A YEAR AND COUNCIL CAME AND SAID, NO, OPEN SPACE IS OPEN SPACE. IT WASN'T LOOKED AT. SO WE DIDN'T LOOK AT IT AS RECREATIONAL SPACE. SO, AND THAT WAS THE BIG, THAT WAS THE BIG CLARIFICATION. WHEN WE VOTED, WE DIDN'T KNOW, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THIS AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY. BUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE RECREATIONAL FEES DID, APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY DID TALK ABOUT THAT THERE WERE AGREEMENTS IN THE PAST AND WE, IN MY OPINION, WE TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND DECIDED THAT THIS WAS ITS OWN DECISION AND THAT THOSE WOULDN'T APPLY. UM, AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I LOOKED AT IT WHEN I MADE THE DECISION. AND DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO HELP WITH A QUESTION? I GUESS. SO IS THERE ANY DOCUMENTATION ON TOWN PREFERS AS FAR AS FEES OR SPACE? I MEAN, BILL, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE CHANGE OF PRACTICE HAS REALLY OCCURRED, BUT IS THERE ANY DOCUMENTATION ON IT? AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THE REASON WHY THAT CAME TO MIND IS ON DREW'S DOCUMENT'S, $600 PER LOT FEE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS NOW. SO IS THERE A DOCUMENTATION THAT CHANGED AS WELL? SO JUST, WE'RE GONNA TRY ALL THAT. WELL, AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF THE LAW FEE, THAT WOULD BE TOWN LAW. SO THEY WOULD'VE UPDATED THE LAW. UM, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHICH ONE IT IS. OKAY. WHAT THE TOWN, WHAT CODE, CODE NUMBER. BUT THAT WOULD BE WHERE IT IS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING WRITTEN THAT SAYS THEY DON'T WANT, THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE FEES IN THE LAND. I JUST KNOW A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS TALK ABOUT HOW MANY LOTS THE TOWN HAD, WHAT TO DO WITH 'EM. IN FACT, THERE WAS NO, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY TO TURN ALL OF THESE LOTS THAT COULD BE RECEIVED INTO SOMETHING PEOPLE COULD USE. SO IT WOULD BE BETTER OFF TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS AND THEN MAYBE USE THAT TO TURN THE LOTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE INTO SOMETHING RESIDENTS CAN USE FOR RECREATION. BUT IS THERE SOMETHING IN WRITING ON THAT? WELL, AND THE OTHER THING TOO, I I JUST WANNA MAKE A POINT WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE REFERENCING A MEMO FROM, UM, ANDREW RILEY THAT WAS WRITTEN IN 2007. AND I'M GOING BACK TO TWO THREE SIXTH BULLET POINT. AND IT SAYS ALSO AROUND THAT TIME, A WALKING PATH BRIDGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE HARD TRAIL WAS REMOVED. UM, A RAISED BRIDGE, A BRIDGE AND RAISED PATHWAY WAS REMOVED WITHOUT TOWN APPROVAL REPORTING BY THE TOWN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. SO DOES THAT DO ANYTHING WITH THE AGREEMENT OR DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? BECAUSE THE, THE, THE, UM, TRAIL IS ALTERED. SO DOES THAT ALTER THE AGREEMENT? AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S UP TO US. THAT'S WHY I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR THEM TO CLARIFY IT. WOULD YOU BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, NO. OKAY. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE. THERE'S NOTHING TO VOTE ON. CORRECT. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA STAND BY OUR RESOLUTION. DO WE NEED TO, I YOU HAVE TO LOOK. NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE GONNA STAND BY THE DECISION THAT WE MADE BASED ON OUR ORIGINAL RESOLUTION AND ADVISING THE APPLICANT AND THEIR ATTORNEY THAT THEY NEED TO, TO FOLLOW AS WE RECOMMENDED TO GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR THE CLARIFICATION OF THE FEE. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. MM-HMM . YES. OKAY. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT? WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE NEWEST RECORD. I THINK I SHOULD WIN AN AWARD FOR THIS BEING THAT MR. CLARK, IT'S 15 MINUTES. I SAY THAT I HAVE NEVER FINISHED A MEETING IN ANYTHING CLOSE TO 15 MINUTES MINUTES. SO AM I GONNA GET A, LIKE A PLAQUE OR SOMETHING OR? YES, WE DO HAVE ONE LAST THING. I HAVE ONE LAST THING. WE HAVE ONE LAST THING. THE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS HAD [00:15:01] A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING. UM, SARAH DID THE MINUTES AND SHE WAS DOING THE MINUTES FOR 4,100 ST. FRANCIS WHEN WE WENT OVER THAT PROJECT. UM, AND IN THE RESOLUTION, SHE JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THE, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL RESOLUTION. UM, I KNOW WE AMENDED IT AND WE KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH OVER THE LANGUAGE FOR IT. THAT WAS THE SIDEWALK. YEAH. UM, SO SHE JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO A REVIEW THOSE MINUTES IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, AND B JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THE RESOLUTION SO THAT WE CAN SEND THAT RESOLUTION TO THE APPLICANT SO THEY HAVE A COMPLETE RESOLUTION TO GO FORWARD WITH. WELL, IT WASN'T, WASN'T IT A MINI, WE CHANGED IT TO MINOR. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS. YES. UM, IT WAS CHANGED TO A MINOR SUB. WELL, THERE WAS WAIVE, WE WAIVE FILING THE MAP COVER THE MAP COVER. RIGHT. AND I THINK THE PART OF THE MINUTES THAT SHE'S REFERRING TO IS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE TOWN ENGINEER NEEDED TO SIGN OFF ON THE FINAL PLAT OR NOT. THE TOWN ENGINEER DID VERBALLY SEE THE, THE MEETING. PARDON? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SHE DID IN THE MEETING SAYING, I THOUGHT, THOUGHT IT WAS PART OF THE SHE MADE HER, SHE MADE THE STATEMENT. YEAH. SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT THAT, SO WE WERE ABLE TO WAIVE IT ON THAT. SO WE, WE'LL HAVE TO CHECK THE, THE TRANSCRIPT OF, OR THE VIDEO TO SEE. YEAH. MAKE SURE IT'S INCLUDED IN SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO THE BUZZ AVENUE ONE. SHE SAID A MINOR SUBDIVISION. SHE HASN'T SIGNED, SHE DOESN'T GET INVOLVED WITH IT. YEP. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID. BUT SHE DID PUT IT ORALLY ON THE, THE, ON THE RECORD. YEAH. UH, SHE ASKED IF I CAN CALL HER RIGHT NOW SO SHE CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT SHE HAS EXACTLY SHE'S LOOKING FOR. SO CAN WE DO THAT? YEAH. CAN WE, A PHONE CALL? SURE. THIS IS QUICK PHONE. A FRIEND . THIS IS DIFFERENT. SARAH, YOU'RE LIVE RIGHT NOW. SO HERE'S CINDY. HEY, SARAH. HI DOC. HI, EVERYBODY. NO. ALL RIGHT. YOU NEED CLARIFICATION OF, SO I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WHEN YOU MADE THE MOTION FOR THE 4 1 9 9 MINOR SUBDIVISION, YOU, YOU, YOU HAD A CONDITION ABOUT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS FINE, BUT THEN YOU MADE AN, YOU AMENDED THAT MOTION AND THAT CONDITION TO REMOVE CERTAIN LANGUAGE. BUT THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU REMOVED WAS NOT LANGUAGE THAT YOU STATED IN THE CONDITION. WAS THAT ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS? THIS IS ON PHOENIX. NO, THIS IS ON ST. FRANCIS, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. IT WAS ABOUT, NO, IT WAS THE APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION AND IT WAS REGARDING THE, UM, ENGINE ENGINE. THE, THE FINAL PLA WHETHER IT NEEDED BE SIGNED OR NOT, AMEND THE MOTION. AND YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE LETTER, YOU GOT IT. IT'S SAYING IN THE MINUTES, IT SAYS, MADE A MOTION. SECOND HAPPENED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO REMOVE THE WORDS ONCE THE TOWN ENGINEER SIGNS OFF ON THE PLAT FROM THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE MOTION. YEAH. THE ENGINEER IS NOT GONNA SIGN OFF, OFF, OFF THE PLAN. NO, BUT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU SAID TO BE REMOVED WAS NOT IN THE CONDITION IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT'S IN THE LETTER. SO WE HAVE IT IN OUR LETTER APPROVAL. I KNOW. OKAY. SO WHAT'S NOT IN THERE IS, IS WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE'RE RAISING THE PLAN. THE THING IS THE, THE AMENDMENT SAYS REMOVE THE LANGUAGE. RIGHT. IT SAYS REMOVE CERTAIN LANGUAGE, BUT THAT CERTAIN LANGUAGE WAS NEVER IN THE MOTION. NONE OF THE LANGUAGE ABOUT REMOVING THE PLAT OR, OR, OR, OR, UH, WAIVING THE WAIVING THE FEE OF THE PLAT IS IN THE, THE RESOLUTION IN THE MINUTES. SO, SO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE REMOVED FROM THAT PART ISN'T IN THERE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE NONE OF IT'S IN THERE AT ALL. EXACTLY. I'M LOOKING, THIS IS FOR FRAN, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT. IT'S 'CAUSE YOU READ YOUR EDITS, RIGHT? AND THEN AS THE RESOLUTION, THEN THERE WAS A MOTION TO REMOVE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU READ. RIGHT. SO, BUT RIGHT HERE IT SAYS APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED THREE 15 OF 2024. THAT STAYS IN. IT'S, NO, I'M TALKING IT'S A OF THE PLA FEE. I DON'T HAVE THAT. I DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT IN HERE. EXACTLY. THAT'S THE POINT. IT'S THE LAST CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION. BUT IT IS THAT THE PO THAT'S THE ONE THAT, UM, MARGOT READ, CORRECT? NO, YOU READ, I DIDN'T READ IT. IT THIS ONE THAT WAS, THAT YOU WERE, YES. [00:20:01] IT SAYS THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PUT IN HERE SAYS THE HAM CLAIM WAIVES THE COMPLETION OF THE FINAL PLAN AND FILING OF THE MAP COVER. AS LONG AS THE TOWN ENGINEER DEPARTMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT. AND THE HAMPERED PLANNING CHAIR BOARD IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE MINOR SUBDIVISION. SO THAT'S THE RESOLUTION, THE WORD VERSION OF THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS IN OUR FILE. RIGHT. WHICH IS NOT IN OUR MINUTES. SO WE GOTTA WE GOTTA PUT THAT IN THE MINUTES. SO WE HAVE TO REENTER THAT INTO THE MINUTES. DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT FURTHER THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WAIVES THE COMPLETION, BUT, OKAY. SO I'M READING THE, I'M READING THE MINUTES BE FURTHER THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WAIVES THE COMPLETION OF A FINAL PLAN AND THE FILING MAP COVER, AS LONG AS THE PLAN ENGINEER DEPARTMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT, AND HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD CHAIR IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN IT MADE A THEN CINDY MADE A MOTION SECOND TO AMEND THE MOTION TO REMOVE THE WORDS ONCE THE TOWN ENGINEER SIGNS OFF ON THE PLAT. SO THE TOWN ENGINEER SIGNS OFF ON THE PLAT WAS NOT IN THE EXACTLY, WAS NOT THERE, BUT YET THE RESOLUTION WAS READ AND DOES WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO AS IT ORIGINALLY WAS PUT TOGETHER. SO DO YOU JUST SAY WE STRIKE THAT A STRIKE THE AMENDMENT? YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT WAS READ IS WHAT'S THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO WE WOULD JUST STRIKE THE, RIGHT. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER READ. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REMOVED. SO THE RESOLUTION IS CORRECT. RESOLUTION RESOLUTION IS CORRECT. SO WE JUST STRIKE THE AMENDMENT AND STRIKE THE AMENDMENT ON THE RECORD. OKAY. ON THE RECORD. THAT'S, THAT'S PERFECT. PERFECT. YEAH. AND THE, AND THE, THE PLAT STUFF IS IN THERE AND I WAS LOOKING, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, LOOKING AT. LITTLE SPOT. YEP. OKAY. ARE YOU, IS SARAH, IS THAT WHAT YOU NEEDED? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M HANGING UP NOW. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THINK THAT'S IT. OKAY, DAN, WE'RE ON. WE NEED APPROVE MINUTES. I, SHE'S GOT IT. OKAY. SO THEY, THEY CAN'T BE, WE CAN'T REDO THE WELL YOU WOULD APPROVE THEM AS AMENDED, RIGHT? YOU'D APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED WITH STRIKING THAT AMENDMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? STRIKING OR DO YOU WANT HER TO ? I, I'D RATHER HAVE HER REDO. I'D HAVE HER REDO IT AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL APPROVE THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING. DO THAT. BUT I KNOW THERE'S SOME, UM, RESIDENTS WHO ARE WAITING ON THE MINUTES, ESPECIALLY FOR THE ALCHEMY MINUTES. UM, THEY WANTED TO HEAR EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID, SO, UM, TELL 'EM TO READ THE, WATCH THAT FACEBOOK. THAT'S TRUE. YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY DO THAT. SO I'VE JUST AND HIRE A TRANSCRIPTIONIST. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WE, WE HAVE TO WAIT, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE I CAN'T ACT ON JUST ONE CASE OR THE BOARD. BOARD CAN'T ACT ON, JUST ON ONE CASE, SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. MOTION TO ADJOURN. DOES ANYBODY WANNA SECOND THAT OR SECOND? 23 MINUTES. MEETING MINUTES. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.