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WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS, UM, FOR THE AUDIENCE BEFORE WE GET STARTED AND I START CALLING CASES.
UM, ONE, THE CASE NUMBER SIX, ALCHEMY SHORES HAS BEEN TABLED AT THIS TIME UNTIL JUNE 19TH.
OUR JULY 3RD MEETING WILL NOT BE ON JULY 3RD.
SO THE DAY BEFORE 4TH OF JULY, WE'LL NOT BE HAVING A MEETING.
OUR MEETINGS FOR JULY WILL BE JULY 10TH AND JULY 24TH.
AND, UM, IN JUNETEENTH DAY IS A FEDERAL HOLIDAY.
HOWEVER, THE TOWN OF HAMBURGERS STILL OPEN AND OUR MEETING ON THE 19TH WILL BE HELD HERE, UM, AT THE TOWN HALL.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, WE ALSO HAVE MOVED THE MEETING LOCATION FROM FACEBOOK.
IT'S STILL ON FACEBOOK, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WATCH THE MEETING NOW, DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE FACEBOOK.
THEY CAN GO TO THE TOWN WEBSITE AND CLICK ON THE WEBSITE AND UH, CLICK ON THE LINK AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET RIGHT TO THE MEETING.
SO IF YOU HAVE FRIENDS OR NEIGHBORS THAT WANNA WATCH THE MEETING AND THEY'RE DON'T LIKE FACEBOOK, THEN YOU CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM AND YOU COULD BE THE HERO OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
HAVING SAID, HAVING SAID THAT, UM, OUR FIRST CASE TONIGHT IS LAKESHORE MEDICAL, UM, CAMPUS REQUESTING A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR CONSTRUCTION, LOCATED AT, UM, 5 8 4 4 5 8 4 4.
UM, SOUTH SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND TONIGHT WE ARE, UM, GONNA BE DOING A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WOULD THE PETITIONER LIKE TO COME UP AND ADD A FEW WORDS? THE
WHAT HAPPENED? PODIUM'S IN THE CORNER SO WE COULD GLUE THAT OUT.
WE MAY TAKE A BREAK AND, AND BRING OUT THE PODIUM 'CAUSE IT'S, WE'VE GOT FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO WE REALLY DO NEED THE PODIUM TONIGHT.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT PLUS OR MINUS ADDITION TO AN EXISTING 26,000, 27,000 SQUARE FOOT EXISTING MEDICAL BUILDING ON PLEASANT AND SOUTHWESTERN.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE BOARD BACK IN 21, I THINK 20 20 20 WE GOT WITH IT.
UM, WE WERE HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
WENT THROUGH THE, SOME OF THE DETAILS.
UM, WE ARE JUST REPLACING PAVEMENT WITH ROOF, SO THERE'S REALLY NO STORMWATER ISSUES.
UH, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP AT THE WETLANDS THAT WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECT.
WE KIND OF LABELED THE BOUNDARIES SO YOU COULD SEE IT ON A NEWER PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED.
UM, AND THEN THEY ASKED ABOUT THE ROOF DRAINAGE, WHICH IS ALL GONNA BE INCORPORATED INTO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, UTILITIES AS WELL AS ELECTRIC, PLUMBING, SEWER AND ALL THAT.
SO OUR ARCHITECTURE'S GONNA STAY THE SAME.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MUCH MORE TO HAVE.
UM, SO TONIGHT WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION AND HOW YOU ARE IMPACTED BY THE PROJECT.
A THREE MINUTE RULE WILL APPLY DURING A PUBLIC HEARING TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE HEARD DURING A REASONABLE HOUR.
IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
ALL STATEMENTS MADE DURING A PUBLIC HEARING, AS WELL AS WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THEIR PROJECT SENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE
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APPLICANT.UM, AND NOW WE'LL READ THE NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THE TOWN HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY LAKE SHORE MEDICAL TO CONSTRUCT A 4,075 FOOT SQUARE FOOT EDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 58 44 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THE PUBLIC HEARING BE HELD ON JUNE 5TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF TAM TOWN HALL.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO MAKE STATEMENT IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT? SECOND CALL.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE LAKESHORE MEDICAL CAMPUS AND THEIR NEW SITE PLAN? THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR ANYONE TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THE LAKE SHORE MEDICAL CAMPUS.
SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALSO FOR THE MINUTES OF THE RECORD, WE DID NOT CALL ROLL SINCE EVERYBODY WAS EXCITED ABOUT DOING THE PLEDGE.
UM, AND I WON'T NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT FOR THIS MEETING.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER OR A AD? WELL, I'M SORRY, PLANNING DEPARTMENT? UH, NO, WE HAVE APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS IN THE FOLDER FOR YOU, UM, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT AND THAT WE HAVE NO COMMENTS.
BOARD MEMBERS? NO, NOT A COMMENT ON THIS, BUT THERE WAS A COMMENT ON THE FACEBOOK THAT THERE WAS NO SOUND, BUT IT, IT'S SHOWING THE TRANS CAP, THE CLOSED CAPTIONING.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN REVENUE OR NOT.
USUALLY, UH, TO OUR COMMENTER AND 16 VIEWERS ON FACEBOOK, LET US KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR US WITH THE AUDIO NOW.
SO DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY, OR DOES BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER AT THIS POINT? OKAY, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO, UM, READ THE RESOLUTION, DAN? OKAY.
RECEIVED A NEW SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR A 4,074 SQUARE FOOT EDITION TO THE SHARMA MEDICAL COMPLEX AT 2 8 1 6 PLEASANT AVENUE, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2020.
AND WHEREAS THE ED PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND WHEREAS THE ED PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT DID A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND POTENTIAL IMPACTS IN 2020 AND ISSUED A SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS THE SAME AS ORIG AS THE ORIGINAL APPROVED PLAN, AND THAT THE SECRET DECISION DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY, ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE AND OR HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS IS STILL VALID.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT THE SECRET NEGATIVE DECLARATION ISSUED IS PREVIOUSLY STILL VALID.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.
SO THE SECRET, UM, RESOLUTION PASSES.
DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD WITH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL? SURE.
THE PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE RESUBMITTED SITE PLAN FOR THE SHARMA MEDICAL COMPLEX PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 2 8 1 6 PLEASANT AVENUE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS APPROVAL IS CONTINUED UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED 5 31 24.
THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THERE ARE NO EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN THE AREA.
SO IT'S BEEN MOVED, UM, BY DAN SW, SECOND BY MEMBER SHAMARO.
NONE OPPOSED? SO THE SITE PLAN OF BOOBS.
IS RILEY AND BAILEY, ARE THEY HERE YET? YEAH, YEAH, I'M, I'M COVERING FOR SURE.
SO THEN OUR NEXT CASE IS DATA DEVELOPMENT, LLC REQUESTING, UM,
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IT'S CERTAINLY NOT SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL.NO, I, WE JUST WANT THE OKAY TO GO TO THE ZBA FOR VARIANCE TO BE, WE JUST WANT THE REFERRAL TO THE ZBA.
SO LET ME EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD SO IT'S SO, AND THE AUDIENCE ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO IN THE REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, IT UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT FOUND THAT VARIANCES WERE NEEDED WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, AT THIS PLAN.
IT HAS SINCE BEEN DISCOVERED, IF YOU WILL, THAT THE VARIANCES THEY NEED THE FIVE VARIANCES? YES, I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE TOTAL.
UM, THE VARIANCES ARE IN RELATION TO THE CODE SECTION REGARDING TOWN SPECIAL REGULATIONS FOR TOWNHOME USES.
SO UNDER THE NC ZONING, IT MEETS ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT UNDER THE SPECIAL REGULATIONS FOR TOWN HOMES, THERE ARE SOME VARIANCES THAT WE DO NEED SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE HAD ON THE BRIAR CLIFF PROJECT.
SO ARE YOU ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR THE ZBA? WE'RE MAKING OUR SUBMISSION NEXT WEEK TO BE ON THE NEXT, THAT WOULD BE THE JULY AGENDA, I BELIEVE.
SO YOU WANNA HOLD OFF ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, I, IF THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WANNA SPEAK, I DON'T MIND IF WE CAN HAVE, IF THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WANNA SPEAK AND THEN WE CAN KEEP IT OPEN.
IF THERE'S PEOPLE HERE THAT WANNA COMMENT, MIGHT AS WELL GET 'EM NOW.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE IN FRONT OF THE ZBA.
UM, WHAT DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT FOR THAT, FOR THAT DATE? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS.
WELL, THE DEADLINE IS NEXT TUESDAY TO SUBMIT, WHICH WE WILL MEET.
WE COULD SCHEDULE 'EM FOR JULY 10TH AND THEN IF THEY DON'T MAKE IT, THEN WE'LL TABLE THEM.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, KEEP IT OPEN CLOSE.
WE'LL KEEP IT OPEN BECAUSE OF THE VARIANCES AND, UM, AND THEN BRING IT BACK ON ON JULY TOP.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO HOLD, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD WITH THAT.
UM, GO AHEAD WITH
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JUNE THE FIFTH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF TOWN HALL.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT? DONNA, GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME'S MARGARET DALE, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT I AM MILDLY CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC.
I GUESS IT PASSED THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS SOUTH PARK AND BAYVIEW ALREADY BOTTLENECK A COUPLE TIMES DURING THE DAY AND ESPECIALLY AROUND FIVE, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S EVEN MORE BOTTLENECKED WITH CARS COMING THROUGH THERE? SO IT IS A QUESTION, BUT I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN PLAN AHEAD OF TIME IN THE EVENT THAT IT DOES BECOME EXTREMELY CONGESTED.
ANYONE ELSE? LAST CALL FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO DATA DEVELOPMENT, UM, ON RILEY AND BAYVIEW? OKAY.
SO BECAUSE OF THE REQUEST FROM THE PETITIONER TO GO IN FRONT OF THE VARIANT IN FRONT OF THE ZBA, UM, IN DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY NEED FIVE VARIANCES, WE ARE LEAVING THE PUBLIC, UM, HEARING OPEN UNTIL JULY 10TH.
AND, UM, IF SO, IF ANYONE WISHES TO WRITE OR CORRESPOND TO THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU CAN SEND IT TO.
AND JOSH, WILL YOU PROVIDE THAT? YEAH, MY EMAIL IS ALL LOWERCASE J ROGERS.
THAT'S J-R-O-G-E-R-S AT TOWN OF HAMBURG N Y.GOV.
UM, HER EMAIL IS S-D-S-J-A-R-D-I-N-S AT TOWN OF HAMBURG N Y.GOV.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOU GUYS GOT A COMMENT LETTER FROM A RESIDENT ON THIS PROJECT SUBMITTED THAT THE, BUT UM, WE PROVIDED A PHYSICAL COPY FOR YOU GUYS, SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED A WRITTEN COMMENT.
I WAS, I WAS GONNA, OH, WILL WE BE ABLE TO GET THE COPY OF THAT? YEAH, WE GOT
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MY, THE OTHER THING I I, I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC HEARINGS AND CORRESPONDENCE, WE DO WANNA HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS, BUT IF YOU WROTE, IF YOU'VE WRITTEN IN REGARDS TO THE PROJECT ONCE, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD YOUR REC YOUR LETTER IS A PERMANENT PART OF THE RECORD.SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRITE THE SAME THING FIVE TIMES.
WE'VE SEEN IT AND IT'S PART OF OUR, PART OF OUR PACKET, IF YOU WILL.
WE ARE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER INDIVIDUAL EMAILS.
WE'RE NOT ABLE TO RESPOND, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
AND I FEEL IT IMPORTANT TO EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE KNOW THAT WHEN YOU CONTACT OR SEND CORRESPONDENCE TO THE TOWN OF HAMBURGER, ESPECIALLY TO THE PLANNING BOARD THAT WE ARE, WE ALS ALL THE MEMBERS SEE IT.
I HAVE A CORRESPONDENCE RIGHT HERE.
IT'S PRINTED, WE REVIEW IT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF ACTION THAT'S TAKING PLACE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T ANSWER EACH INDIVIDUAL LETTER.
AND WHEN WE'RE ADDRESSING THE, UM, THE CASE IN FRONT OF US AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, WE WAIT FOR THE PETITIONER TO RESPOND TO US.
'CAUSE HE GETS A COPY OF THOSE LETTERS AS WELL.
AND THEN THAT, THAT INFORMATION IS FED BACK TO US IN THE HOPE OF ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, WE RECEIVED, UM, OKAY, WE RECEIVED A LETTER DATED, WE RECEIVED IT ON FA MAY, I'M SORRY, JUNE 5TH.
AND THE FIRST PERSON'S NAME IS JUDY, AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT I, THERE'S NO WAY.
I THINK IT IS, SHE LIVES ON WT ROAD.
UM, AND I'M GONNA MAKE IT A PART OF THE RECORD.
UM, TRAFFIC SCHOOL, UM, AND OTHER THINGS.
BUT SHE DID NOT PUT HER FULL, I CAN'T, I CAN'T READ HER LAST NAME, I'M SORRY.
BUT IT WILL BE A PART OF THE BOOK AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT TO GIVE IT TO CHARLIE.
WE'LL SEE YOU HOPEFULLY ON GOOD LUCK.
I'M I'LL, I'M STILL HERE FOR A COUPLE.
SO OUR NEXT CASE IS MATT JAWORSKI AT, UM, 5 6 6 1 CAMP ROAD IS, HAS A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THIS EVENING, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE TWIST TO THIS CASE AND I'M GOING ASK, UM, ATTORNEY GOGAN TO HELP ME OUT HERE AND EXPLAIN WHAT HE NOTIFIED THE BOARD MEMBERS OF WHAT THE GLITCH IS.
IT HAD BEEN BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE SEVERAL BOARD ATTORNEYS AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY THAT THE PROMULGATION OF TOWN LAW TWO 80 DASH THREE 17 H CONTRIBUTED TO SOME CONFUSION WITH RESPECT TO THE UNIQUE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A LAW CONCERNING IDENTIFICATION OF THE SEEKER LEAD AGENCY WAS CREATED BETWEEN THE INITIAL LEAD AGENCY DESIGNATION BY THE ZONING BOARD AND THE NEW APPLICATION BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, BY THE TIME THE CURRENT OWNER CLOSED ON THE PREMISES AND GOT HIS PLANS TOGETHER, THE USE VARIANCE HAD EXPIRED.
SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW USE VARIANCE.
THAT WAS BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU WERE, WERE YOU THERE PRESENT YESTERDAY? NO, SEAN WAS.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM JOSH IS THAT THE, UH, ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS DID PASS THE CORRECT RESOLUTION FOR THE VARIANCE, UM, ON THE CONDITION THAT, UM, AND, AND THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE ATTORNEYS, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT SIDE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE ORIGINAL SECRET DETERMINATION DOES NOT EXPIRE, BUT THAT CHANGES TO A PROJECT MAY INFLUENCE THE NECESSITY, MAY INFLUENCE THE NECESSITY FOR A NEW SEEKER REVIEW.
AND THE MOST PRACTICAL WAY TO COMPLY WITH THE INTERVENING TOWN LAW WOULD TO HAVE BE TO HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD RESOLVE TO REAFFIRM THE PRIOR SEEKER DETERMINATION MADE BY THE ZBA AS PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IF IT IS BELIEVED THAT THE CHANGES MADE BY THE APPLICANT AMOUNT TO BEING DI MINIS AND OR TYPE TWO USES.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I KNOW THE MEMO WAS SENT TO EVERYBODY.
SO IT'S, IF, IF THE BOARD IS TO, TO SUMMARIZE, IF THE BOARD DOESN'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY, UM, CHANGES THAT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A NEW SEEKER EVALUATION, THEN THE ORIGINAL SEEKER DETERMINATION CAN BE SIMPLY REAFFIRMED, UH, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T EXPIRE.
UM, UH, ONE OF THE WORDS THAT, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE WHEN IT COMES TO CHANGES TO A SITE PLAN WOULD BE THE HARD LOOK.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DETERMINE IF NO CHANGES WERE MADE THAT CAN REAFFIRM.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR YOU IS, HAVE THERE BEEN WHAT KIND OF CHANGES, IF ANY? YEAH, I CAN GO OVER AND I THINK THESE WERE ACTUALLY COMMENTS, UM, FROM THIS BOARD.
ONE THING WE DID WAS WE DID SHIFT THE DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BRING UP THE PLAN.
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WHERE IT USED TO BE ON THE, WELL THAT BE THE WEST SIDE OF CAMP ROAD.AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE DID SHIFT THAT TO LINE UP WITH THAT CROSSROAD.
UM, SO THAT OBVIOUSLY HELPS WITH TRAFFIC, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, A PART OF SEEKER.
I JUST REALLY QUICK, ARE THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING DESCRIBED WE'VE ALREADY REVIEWED IN THE LAST RIGHT.
THINK, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THESE WERE COMMENTS, YEAH.
OH, FROM THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
THESE, I THINK THESE WERE COMMENTS FROM THIS BOARD AND ALSO DOT AS WELL FROM THE LAST SECRET SECRET RIGHT WHEN THE ZONING BOARD DID THE SECRET.
SO THESE, THESE AND THESE CHANGES ARE ONES, YEAH, I THINK ZONING BOARD DID SEEKER IN 2022.
SO EVERYTHING, SO THE MODIFICATIONS ARE ALL AFTER THE ZONING BOARD.
THAT WAS BACK IN 2022, OCTOBER OF 2020.
THE, THE QUESTION IS, DO THESE CHANGES HAVE AN IMPACT THAT SEEKER SHOULD BE REDONE? THAT'S THE CON THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE GRID.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THEM, BUT WE'VE SEEN THEM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEW IN REGARDS TO SPEAKER SINCE SPEAKER WAS DONE IN FRONT OF THE ZBA.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT IN REGARDS TO, WAS THERE ANY CHANGE IN THE PERIAN SURFACE? UM, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO BECAUSE THAT, THAT THE, THE OLD HAD THOSE STORAGE BUILDINGS ALL THE WAY UP TO CAMP.
THAT BUILDING IN FRONT PRETTY MUCH IS A ONE FOR ONE EXCHANGE IN IMPERVIOUS AREA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS, UM, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO HOP? I DIDN'T EVEN CALLING YOU OVER THERE.
UM, SO NOW WE HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO OH YES.
IT THREW ME ALL WITH THAT NOTICES HERE BY, GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMPER PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY MAT JAWORSKI TO CONSTRUCT A PUBLIC MINI STORAGE PROJECT AT 5 6 6 1 CAMP ROAD, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 5TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B OF THE HAMBURG OF TOWN HALL.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? DON'T RUN UP ALL AT ONCE, GUYS.
UM, I'M CALLING FOR A SECOND TIME IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE MAT.
WORST FEE PSYCH PLAN AT FIVE SIX SIX ONE CAMP ROAD.
FINAL CALL FOR ANYONE TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MATT JAWORSKI AT 5 6 6 1 CAMPGROUND.
SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD IN REGARDS TO SEEKER? ARE WE PREPARED TO ACCEPT SEEKER BEING DONE BACK IN 2022 BY THE ZBA? I DON'T, I CAN'T HEAR ANYBODY.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH EXCEPTING THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S, THE CHANGES ARE DI MINIS, IT'S THE SAME.
IT'S REARRANGING OF THE SITE PLAN.
ME, WHEN THE TAPE IS PLAYED, THEY CAN'T HEAR IT AND THEY MOVE THE BUILDING SOMEWHAT LESS IN THE WETLAND.
LESS, LESS WETLAND DISTURBANCE 0.06 ACRES.
SO VERY SMALL DRIVEWAY CHANGE, WHICH WAS ALSO
IT WOULD ALSO BE AN IMPROVEMENT ON TRAFFIC.
SO I, I MEAN I THINK ALL OF THIS IS, THERE WERE MINIMAL IMPACTS BEFORE AND ANYTHING THAT HAS OCCURRED OF SUBSTANCE WOULD BE A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT THIS PLAN IMPROVES IT OVERALL AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF NEGATIVE IMPACT WHERE IT COULD AFFECT, UM, SEEKER IN ANY WAY.
THEREFORE, UM, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION PREPARED WITH A FEW CHANGES.
AND I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO MY SIDEKICK OVER HERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ON THIS? I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE MORE RECENT ONE ON THE, IT CAME IN OFF THE PROCESS 20 MINUTES AGO.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW, READ THE PAPER JUST TO BE SURE.
WHEREAS THIS PROJECT WAS BEFORE THE HAMPERED ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON NOVEMBER 1ST, 2022, UNDER APPLICATION NUMBER 5 9 5 3, WHICH BOARD ACTING AND LEAD AGENCY PURSUANT TO SECRET DECLARED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF YOUR SEEKER END.
WHEREAS ON THAT SAME DATE, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, YOU ISSUED A USE VARIANCE FOR THE PREMISES FOR BE USED AS AND FOR A PUBLIC MINI STORAGE FACILITY.
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AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AT A PUBLICLY HELD MEETING ON MAY 8TH, 2023, I AMENDED TOWN LAW SECTION TWO 80 DASH THREE 17 H, WHICH STATES THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS REQUIRE MULTIPLE APPROVALS FROM THE TOWN'S ZONING AND PLANNING BOARDS.THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG SHALL BE THE LEAD AGENCY.
AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT WAS BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS UNDER APPLICATION NUMBER 6 0 3 3 ON JUNE, JUNE 4TH, 2024, TO RENEW THE USE VARIANCE AND APPLY FOR AN AREA VARIANCE AND BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD OF AND BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT HAS MADE REVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN THAT MAY REQUIRE A NEW EXAMINATION PURSUANT TO GER NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT PURSUANT TO TOWN LAW SECTION TWO 80 DASH THREE 17 H AND ACTING AS LEAD AGENCY, THE PLANNING BOARD FINDS THAT ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN ARE DI MINIMUS AND OR FALL UNDER A TYPE TWO USE.
AND THEREFORE NO NEW DECLARATION IS REQUIRED.
AND WE FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE PRIOR NEGA NEGATIVE DECLARATION ENDED ISSUED BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IS REAFFIRMED.
UM, SECOND BY KAITLYN, UH, MCCORMICK.
MOVE, MOVE TO THE NEXT SAFE PLAN APPROVAL.
THE PLAN BOARD HAVING REVIEWED THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLIV SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE C TWO ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE HAVEN'T RECEIVED AND CONSIDERED INPUT FROM THE TOWN DEPARTMENTS AND ADVISORY BOARDS AND HAVING COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND IN COORDINATION WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE JAWORSKI MINI STORAGE PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 5 6 6 1 CAMP ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED 5 31 24 2.
THE FINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN WILL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND SHALL INCLUDE SCREENING AS IDENTIFIED ON SHEET L DASH 103.
LIGHTING SHALL BE SHIELDED AND DARK SKY COMPLIANT AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS.
FOUR NEON FLASHING COLORED LIGHTING SHALL NOT BE UTILIZED IN THE BUILDING OR OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
FIVE, NO OUTDOOR STORAGE WILL BE ALLOWED.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS WAIVED AS THEY'RE ALREADY LOCATED ALONG THE ROAD.
SEVEN SHARED ACCESS IS PROVIDED TO THE ADJOINING LOT BEING CREATED.
EIGHT WETLAND AREAS SHALL BE PRESERVED AS SHOWN ON PLAN.
AND NINE REMOVAL OF FILL WILL BE DONE UNDER FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATIONS.
SECOND BY, UM, DENNIS CHAPMAN.
OUR NEXT CASE IS, UM, HUTTON BUILDING HEALTH HUTTON BUILD STREET TWO ONE LLC ON A SUB ON THE SUBMITTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UM, STATEMENT REGARDING A PROPOSED CAR WASH BY MY CAR WASH TO BE LOCATED AT 5 3 6 3 SOUTH SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NO, IT'S THE SEEKER PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S THE SEEKER PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S NOT FOR, WELL, IT WOULD BE NICE IF EVERYTHING MATCHED INSTEAD OF I'M SUPER GIVE JOE CONTACT BECAUSE IT'S, UM, DIS IT'S A PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THEY THOUGHT IT STAGED COMMENT.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE RECORD.
WELL, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, 'CAUSE WHEN WE DID THE A L ALT, WE HAD TO MARK IT AS A PUBLIC COMMENT 'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAD A HEARING.
WELL, WE CREATED AL UNDER THE EI UNDER E-D-E-I-X.
WE FILED, WE FILED A SENIOR PUBLIC NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS MEETING.
SO THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S A MANDATE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE DONE.
NO, THAT'S WHAT'S UP WITH WEBSITES.
WHAT IS IT? 30 DAYS? IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING WITHIN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
WITHIN A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
BUT THERE IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
BECAUSE THE EIS REQUIRES A 30 DAYS.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING TO ACCEPT PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE COMMENT PERIOD IS 30 DAYS.
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CORRECT.AND WHEN, WHEN DOES THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD END? THAT ENDS JUNE 17TH.
SO FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE BACK, IN THE CHEAP SEATS, LET ME JUST CLARIFY WHAT HAPPENED,
SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT'S IN REGARDS TO THE DEIS.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE ORIGINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND NOW THEY CAME BACK AND THEY PRESENTED THEIR, UM, THEIR SCOPING DOCUMENTS.
AND THIS IS FURTHER COVER COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC IF THEY WISH TO MAKE THEM IN, IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS VODKA CAR WASH, WHICH IS WOULD TAKE, WHICH WOULD BE BUILT AT 5 3 6 3 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
ANN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO I'M SORRY.
CAN WE JUST ADD TO THAT, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ENDS ON JUNE 17TH.
THEY, IF PEOPLE ARE NOT HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, THEY CAN SUBMIT THAT UNTIL THAT DATE.
J-R-O-G-E-R-S AT TOWN OF HAMBURG NY.GOV.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? UM, UH, GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS PETER VARS WITH BME ASSOCIATES AT FAIRPORT NEW YORK.
UH, WE'VE BEEN RETAINED BY HU AND MATT BOS, UH, TO PREPARE THE DEIS THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU.
UM, I GUESS I'M GONNA START WITH ASKING, UH, THE BOARD A QUESTION, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PREPARED THE DEIS SUBMITTED IT, AND AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED AS COMPLETE.
AND THUS, UH, WE'VE ENGAGED OR INITIATED YOU AS THE LEAD AGENCY, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH THIS PUBLIC HEARING, UH, YOU DECIDED TO HOLD.
IT'S AN OPTIONAL DECISION, BUT, UH, UH, RIGHTFULLY SO.
MOST LEAD AGENCIES DO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I, I CAN GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CONTENT OF THE DEIS IF YOU WISH.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY JUST GONNA BE JUST TALKING ABOUT A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT WERE PROPOSED.
UM, UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO, UM, JUST, UH, RECEIVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR THAT YOU WILL THIS EVENING.
'CAUSE I DO KNOW WE ARE SCHEDULED TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS, UH, TO, UH, RECEIVE, UH, BOARD COMMENTS AND HOPEFULLY BY THEN, UH, THE CONSULTANT COMMENTS WILL BE IN AND THEN, AND WE COULD DISCUSS IT THEN.
SO I, I WOULD DEFER TO YOU AS TO WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER KNOWING WE'RE COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
DOES, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY INPUT? I WOULDN'T MIND A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
ANYBODY ELSE? I CAN BE OVERRULED.
SO, UM, AS WE MENTIONED IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE PREPARED THE DEIS PER THE APPROVED, UH, SCOPE, UH, THAT WAS ADOPTED, UH, BY THIS BOARD.
UM, AND, UH, YOU ACCEPTED THE DEISS IS COMPLETE BACK ON MAY 14TH.
AND, AND, AND STARTED THIS, UM, THE SCOPING DOCUMENT, UH, THAT THIS BOARD ADOPTED ACTING AS LEAD AGENCY, UM, DID IDENTIFY FIVE POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS THAT WERE TO BE STUDIED IN THE DDIS.
AND THOSE WERE, UH, FIRST ONE WAS IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER AND GROUNDWATER RESOURCES.
THE SECOND ONE BEING IMPACT ON AESTHETIC RESOURCES, WHICH WAS THE VIEW SHEDS.
THE THIRD ONE WAS IMPACT ON NOISE.
THE FOURTH ONE WAS IMPACT ON HUMAN HEALTH WITH, UH, WITH LOOKING AT NOISE AND POLLUTION.
AND THE LAST ONE WAS IMPACT ON COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
SO THAT'S THE BULK OF THE DEIS, UM, MATERIALS THAT YOU RECEIVED WITH ONE COMPONENT, SECTION FOUR OF THE DEIS, UH, IDENTIFYING THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPOSED ACTION.
THE PROPOSED ACTION BEING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CAR WASH ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN SECTION FIVE OF THE DEIS THEN LOOKED AT THE, THE PROPOSED MITIGATION MEASURES AND TOOK THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES AND APPLIED 'EM AGAINST THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO, UM, PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS OF, OF, UM, THAT THE, OF, OF THE IMPACTS BEING MITIGATED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL.
THUS, THE PROCESS HERE IS MAKING THAT ASSESSMENT HAVE THE IMPACTS, ARE THEY BEING MITIGATED, UH, TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICAL AS A RESULT OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES.
SO THAT'S THE BULK OF, OF THE DEIS.
UH, THE, IN THE FIRST PARTS OF THE DIS, UH, PROVIDE THE COMPLETE HISTORY OF THE PROCESS AND THE PROPOSED ACTION TODAY, INCLUDING THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF, ITS SETTING, ITS ZONING, ALL OF THAT, EVERYTHING THAT'S TRANSPIRED SINCE THEN.
THE INITIAL APPLICATION, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ACTIONS, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS HELD ON SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
SO ALL OF THAT, THAT ALL THAT'S IN THERE TOO, TO, TO, BASICALLY, SOMEBODY CAN PICK IT UP AND START AT DAY ONE, ALMOST.
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BUT WHAT THE BRIEF OVERVIEW I WOULD GIVE YOU IS JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY ON THE IMPACTS AND, AND THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT ARE DISCUSSED.UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE IMPACT ON SURFACE WATER AND GROUNDWATER RESOURCES, UH, WHAT WE DID IS WE PROVIDED INFORMATION, UH, FIRST OF ALL, AS IT RELATES TO GROUNDWATER.
IT'S, UH, AND THE CONCERNS IS POSSIBLE IMPACTS TO AQUIFERS OR WELL WATER SUPPLIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS PROPOSED PROJECT THOUGH, PROPOSES A CONNECTION TO THE PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM, SO THAT'S NOT DRAWING FROM THE AQUIFER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT ALSO PROPOSES A CONNECTION TO THE, UH, PROPO, OR EXCUSE ME, THE PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, RUNOFF, UH, GETTING INTO THE GROUNDWATER, UH, OR, OR WASTEWATER GETTING INTO THE GROUNDWATER.
UM, THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT'S BEEN PREPARED, UH, THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED, THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY ALL OF THE, UH, NECESSARY AGENCIES.
UH, THEIR FINDINGS ARE PROVIDED IN THE EIS ALONG WITH, UH, BOTH REPORTS OR I SHOULD SAY APPROVALS FROM ERIE COUNTY WATER, ERIE COUNTY SEWER AS IT RELATES TO THEIR ABILITY TO SERVE THE PROJECT.
THAT WAS, UH, KIND OF THE GUIDANCE THAT WAS GIVEN IN THE SCOPING DOCUMENT.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO IMPACT ON, UH, AESTHETIC SORT RESOURCES, WE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS DURING THE SCOPING PROCESS TO MAKING SURE, UH, WE PROVIDED, UM, UH, INFORMATION ON THAT.
SO FIRST OF ALL, WE PROVIDED INFORMATION ON THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND THE FACT THAT EVEN, UH, IDENTIFYING THAT BACK IN 2017, 2018, THE PROPERTY WAS PART OF A TWO LOT APPROVAL THAT ENDED UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MAVIS TIRE SITE, BUT ALSO APPROVED THIS PROPERTY FOR AN UP TO A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
BUT WHAT THAT YIELDED WAS, IN FACT, IT INITIATED THE CLEARING OF THE PROPERTY SUCH THAT, UM, UH, IT KIND OF OPENED UP THE VIEW SHED FROM THE AREA OF CONCERN, WHICH WAS THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
THE, THE DEIS PROVIDES INFORMATION ON THE CURRENT VIEWS, UH, WHICH CONSISTS PRIMARILY.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE, UM, THE BOTTOM PHOTO THERE OF, OF, ITS PRIMARILY THE COMMERCIAL AREA OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
YOU CAN SEE THE WALMART ACTUALLY, UH, OFF, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
UM, WE DID VISIT THE PROPERTY, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH IN JANUARY, TOOK PHOTOS.
UM, THIS, UH, PHOTO SIMULATION IS FROM THE POOL DECK THAT'S IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE NEXT SET IS FROM THE HOUSE DECK.
AND, AND WE DO THANK THE RESIDENT FOR ALLOWING US ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY SO THAT WE COULD GET THESE PHOTOS SO THAT WE COULD PREPARE, UH, THESE, UM, PHOTO SIMULATIONS.
BUT WHAT THESE PHOTO SIMULATIONS SHOW IS THAT, AS WE MENTIONED, IS ON THE BOTTOM, IT SHOWS WHAT THE CURRENT VIEWS WERE.
WE MADE A POINT OF DOING THEM IN THE WINTER SO THAT, UH, LEAVES AND VEGETATION, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, IS GONE FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SEASONS.
BUT THEN THE UPPER PHOTO SHOWS WHAT THE PROPOSED MITIGATION IS, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF, UH, UH, OF LANDSCAPE PLANTINGS CONSISTING PRIMARILY OF, UM, EVERGREEN TREES AND THEN ALSO, UH, OF VINYL FENCING SO THAT WE GET A YEAR ROUND SCREENING AND BUFFERING.
AND, UH, THE SIMULATIONS, UH, ALSO ON THE TOP BRING IN THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
WE'RE ABLE TO BRING THAT IN, UH, SO THAT, UM, YOU GET A SENSE OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE SCREENING AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPOSED USE.
BUT EVEN WHAT WAS THE EXISTING VIEW SHED AND, AND WHAT WE BELIEVE WHAT THIS SHOWS IS HOW EFFECTIVE THE SCREENING IS IN THE FACT THAT, UM, UM, IT, IT DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF SCREENING THE VIEW OF NOT ONLY THE PROPOSED BUILDING, BUT EVEN WHAT WAS THE EXISTING VIEW SHED IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, UM, ON THE BOTTOM.
SO WE'VE PROVIDED THOSE FOR YOU, UM, UH, FOR YOUR REVIEW.
WOULD YOU PREFER TO NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, ARE THE TREES AND THE SIMULATION THAT YOU'RE SHOWING THAT YOU'RE LANDSCAPING, IS THAT THE SIZE OF PLANTING OR IS IT THE SIZE OF MATURITY? IT IS THE SIZES WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IN THE D-A-D-E-I-S AT A THREE, THREE YEARS.
SO IT'S NOT FULL MATURITY, BUT, UM, I, IF, IF WE'RE FAMILIAR ENOUGH, THERE'S A CERTAIN MAXIMUM SIZE YOU COULD PLANT SUCH THAT IT'LL TAKE ROOT AND GROW.
UM, SO THESE ARE PROPOSED TO BE INITIALLY INSTALLED AT SIX TO EIGHT FEET, BASICALLY A A A A CONIFER TREE TYPICALLY WILL GROW ONE FOOT A YEAR.
SO THIS REPRESENTS ABOUT A 10 FOOT HEIGHT.
SO IT'S A THREE YEAR, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT IN EBIS.
UM, SO THE POINT IS, UH, WHAT THIS, THE VIEW SHED SHOWS, FIRST OF ALL, IT SHOWS THE EXISTING VIEW SHED AS WE MENTIONED, WHICH IS THAT THERE'S NO SCENIC OR, UM, UH, UH, OR VIEW THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS THERE, BUT WHAT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE, UM,
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UH, OF THE BUFFERING CAN PROVIDE.THE THIRD IMPACT WAS IMPACT ON NOISE, UH, FROM THE OPERATIONS OF, OF THE CAR WASH FACILITY.
A NOISE STUDY WAS COMPLETED THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED IN THE EIS, THE FULL NOISE STUDY IS IN YOUR APPENDICES THAT DESCRIBES THE METHODOLOGY THE EQUIPMENT USED, UH, THE ANSI STANDARDS THAT THEY FOLLOW.
BUT WITHIN THE, UM, SECTION FIVE OF THE EIS IT DOES PROVIDE, UM, A BRIEF SUMMARY, THE OVERVIEW, THE, THE CLIFF NOTES, IF WE WANNA CALL IT THAT.
UH, AND QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THAT WAS SHOWING IS THAT, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED, UH, THE APPLICANT'S COMMITTED TO USING THE, UM, THE VACUUMS AND THE BLOWER SYSTEMS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE, WHICH ARE, UH, IN, IN THEIR VERNACULAR, THE QUIET MODELS, THAT THOSE, UH, NOISE RATINGS ARE BELOW THE AMBIENT NOISE RATING OF WHAT OF IS THE CURRENT AMBIENT NOISE, UM, ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD OR IN THAT AREA.
AND AGAIN, WE THANK THE ADJOINING RESIDENT.
THEY ALLOWED, UH, THE APPLICANT TO INSTALL THEIR MICROPHONES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
SO THEY WERE TAKING SOUND READINGS FROM THE DECK FROM THE FIRST AND SECOND STORY WINDOWS FROM, SO ACTUALLY, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AND, AND, UH, SO WE HAVE, UM, REAL, REAL TIME DATA.
SO IT MEASURED THE CURRENT SOUND LEVELS, UM, UH, WHICH WERE RANGING ANYWHERES FROM 49 TO 60 DECIBELS.
AND THEN WE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION ON THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S BEING USED, AND IT WAS SHOWING THOSE WERE GONNA BE OPERATING AROUND 35 TO 49 DECIBELS.
49 TO 60 IS THE AMBIENT? CORRECT.
AND THEN IT WAS 39 TO 49 IS THE, UH, THE, UH, NOISE LEVELS FROM THE OPERATIONS.
SO IT IS LOWER THAN THE AMBIENT FOR CORRECT, THE ADDITIVE BECAUSE THE AMBIENT NOISE IS NOT GOING AWAY.
SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT LIKE, NO, WOULD SOMEONE ELSE DO THE MATH? YEAH, THAT IS COVERED IN THE STUDY.
THE, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A TABLE THERE AND IT TALKS ABOUT THAT IF IT'S NOT A TRUE LINEAR AD ON, IT'S, IT'S TAKEN AS INTO, UH, BASED ON WHERE THE RECEPTOR IS, WHERE THE NOISE GENERATOR IS.
SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TERM OF HOW THEY CAN LOOK AT THE STUDY, BUT, BUT IT DOES HAVE IT IN THERE.
BUT THE IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THOSE LEVELS IS THAT WE ALSO CROSS-REFERENCE IT TO EPA DATA.
EPA PROVIDES GUIDANCE ON WHAT THEY CALL PROTECTIVE NOISE LEVELS.
AND BASICALLY EPA GUIDANCES, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY IS, UM, PROTECTIVE NOISE LEVELS SHOULD NOT EXCEED 70 DBAS FOR A SUSTAINED, UH, PERIOD OF 24 HOURS OR 75 DPAS OVER WHAT THEY CALL AN EIGHT HOUR PERIOD.
THEY ALSO ESTABLISH THAT 55 DECIBELS IS SUGGEST, IS SUGGESTED AS THE LIMIT FOR OUTSIDE THAT ALLOWS FOR NORMAL CON CONVERSATIONS, WORKING, SLEEPING, OR RECREATION.
UM, SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S EPA GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS.
POINT BEING IS, IS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS THE EQUIPMENT PROPOSED HERE AND THE OPERATIONS PROPOSED ARE EVEN BE, ARE BELOW THOSE, WELL BELOW, UH, THE PROTECTIVE NOISE LEVELS, BUT ALSO BELOW, UH, WHAT THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED AS THE SUGGESTED LIMIT FOR, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY NORMAL LIVING OF, OF, OF YOUR OUTDOOR SPACES.
UH, AGAIN, ALL OF THAT IS DOCUMENTED IN THE DIS.
UH, THE FOURTH, UH, IMPACT WAS IMPACT ON HUMAN HEALTH FOR NOISE AND POLLUTION.
WE'VE OBVIOUSLY COVERED NOISE AND WE REITERATE THAT.
AND AS IT RELATES TO POLLUTION, IT'S ACTUALLY THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF YOUR APPENDICES BECAUSE IT CREATE, IT, UH, PROVIDES YOU ALL OF THE DATA SHEETS ON ALL OF THE, UM, CHEMICALS AND SOAPS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S USED IN THE CAR WASH PROCESS.
SO IT'S, AND ANY COMPANY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE THESE DATA SHEETS.
UH, WHAT IT DOES, IT, UH, UM, THOSE SHEETS SUMMARIZE POTENTIAL, UH, EFFECTS THROUGH AIRBORNE OR WATER CONVEYANCE.
UH, WHETHER IT'S A THREAT TO HUMAN HEALTH, IT DESCRIBES HOW THEY ARE TO BE STORED AND CONTAINED.
AND, AND ALSO WHAT TO DO IN CASE THERE IS A SPILL POINT BEING IS, IS WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT, UM, IT DESCRIBES, UM, WE DESCRIBE THE HOW THE RECYCLING AND THE REUSE OF THE WASH WATER.
THAT BASICALLY THERE'S RECLAMATION TAKING PLACE WITHIN THE TUNNEL.
EVERYTHING'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE TUNNEL, SUCH THAT ONCE THE WATER IS RECLAIMED AND REUSED, BUT EVENTUALLY, UH, UM, IS DISCHARGED, IT'S DISCHARGED TO THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM, BLESS YOU TO THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
SO IT DOES NOT ENTER, UH, SURFACE WATER OR, UH, RUNOFF OR WHATNOT.
ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WAS WITH REGARDS TO AIRBORNE CONVEYANCE, UH, OF THE CHEMICALS.
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FIRST OF ALL, ANY OF THE SPRAYING AND EVERYTHING TAKES PLACE WITHIN THE TUNNEL AREA, SO IT'S CONFINED.BUT ALSO YOU'LL SEE IN THE DATA SHEETS IS THAT THE RISK OF, OF HAZARD AS IT RELATES TO AIRBORNE TRANSMISSION OF THE, THE, THE CLEANING SOLUTIONS IS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT IDENTIFIED AS A, A RISK.
AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY HIGHLY REGULATED, UH, BY, UH, THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF DEC AND THE, UH, STATE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THE, THE APPLICANT'S REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THAT, ALONG WITH ALSO THE LOCAL BUILDING AND FIRE CODES.
ALL OF THAT IS DOCUMENTED IN YOUR DEIS ALSO.
AND THEN THE LAST IMPACT WAS THE, UH, IMPACT ON COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
WHAT WE DO THERE IS WE PROVIDE YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF, OF JUST, UH, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS AREA OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
AND THE FACT THAT IT IS, UM, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT UNIQUE IN THAT THERE IS NO COMMON THREAD OF, UH, UH, AESTHETIC THREAD THROUGH THE AREA.
IT'S A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT'S BOUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BUT IT ALSO HAS SOME, UH, MINI STORAGE AREAS AND WHATNOT.
UM, SO THERE'S, UM, UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES OCCURRING.
BUT THE IMPORTANT FACT IS, IS THE USE THAT IS PROPOSED IS IN, IS CONSISTENT WITH ITS ZONING WITH THE COMMERCIAL, GENERAL COMMERCIAL C TWO ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND THAT, UH, SO THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT, THAT ALSO WE'VE PREPARED THE LAYOUT TO MAXIMIZE OUR SEPARATION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES TO THE SOUTH.
UM, THAT THIS LAYOUT, UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE BELIEVE IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE 2018 PLAN THAT PROPOSED THE LARGER BUILDING THERE.
'CAUSE THAT BROUGHT A LOT OF BACK OF HOUSE OPERATIONS ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS ALL SHOWN, UH, WITHIN THE DEIS, UM, SO THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS, THE SOUTHWESTERN BARN BOULEVARD COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, WHILE ALSO MAXIMIZING ITS, UH, SEPARATION AND BUFFERING, UH, TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
SO THAT IS MY VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF, OF, OF, OF, OF THE DEIS.
SO WE WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUR SEAT, WE'LL LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS THIS WITH, WITH THIS, WITH YOU IN, IN TWO WEEKS ALSO.
IS THERE ANY, YOU ALREADY READ THE NOTICE? NO.
SO WE'RE GONNA READ THE NOTICES, A PUBLIC HEARING.
NOTICES HEREBY, GIVEN THAT THE DONNA HAMER PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A SUBMITTED DEIS REGARDING THE PROPOSED HUTTON S ST 21 LLC, TO CONSTRUCT A CAR WASH FACILITY AT 53 63 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, THE HEARING WOULD BE HELD ON JUNE 5TH, 2024 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN B AMBER TOWN HALL.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT? COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME? GOOD EVENING.
I AM THE ADJOINING NEIGHBOR THAT, UH, HAS SPOKEN OF, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK OF, UH, FROM THE HEART.
I HAVE LITTLE MINOR KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THIS ENGINEERING, UM, TALK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'VE TRIED TO DO MY BEST IN MY HOMEWORK.
UH, THE THING THAT I DO, UM, WANNA SAY IS THAT, UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL OF, OF THE, THE FENCE AND THE TREES AND, AND THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER THING, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM AS FAR AS WANTING TO PUT IT WHERE THEY ARE TO TRY TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY AND BOUND OFF THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND IS, IS MY MAIN CONCERN WITH MY PROPERTY BEING ON THIS LEVEL.
AND THERE'S BEING ON THIS A FIVE FOOT FREE, OR A SIX FOOT OR EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS ONLY GONNA COME UP TO THE MAIN LEVEL OF MY PROPERTY.
SO, AS FAR AS BARRIER WISE, I'M NOT FEELING THAT THAT'S LIKE A, A FULL PROPER BARRIER TO, YOU KNOW, BLOCK OUT ANY KINDA NOISE OR POLLUTION OR LIGHTING OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND WITH THE CHILDREN AROUND.
AND WE'RE OUTSIDE ALL THE TIME IN THE SUMMER, AND EVERYONE GETS THEIR CAR WASHED IN THE SUMMER.
UM, I, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT, TAKE AN EXTRA LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS MY MAIN CONCERN, UH, TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY, THE NEIGHBORING, UM, NOT JUST MYSELF, THE OTHER NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
UH, TO KEEP, TO KEEP US SAFE, COMFORTABLE, UM, IN OUR OWN ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE USED TO THE PROPERTY THAT THAT IS
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BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, PROPOSED, UH, YEARS AGO WHEN I BOUGHT THE LAND THAT WAS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT LITTLE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE WHEN IT, WHEN IT WAS THERE, BUT ONCE THAT HOUSE, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE DIED OR WHATEVER, THAT WAS GONE AND IT WAS JUST ALL THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD BECAUSE SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD WAS ALWAYS THERE WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND, AND LIVED THERE FOR X AMOUNT OF YEARS BEFORE IT ALL STARTED TO BECOME, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER AND DOUBLE CHECK AND LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY WITH THE TREES AND THE FENCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST FOR THE, THE SIKHS OF, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO DO IT FROM THE HEART.
SO, UM, MY NAME IS JOHN WORLEY AND, UM, UH, 5 4 5 6 ABEL.
I'M ACTUALLY TWO HOUSES FROM BETTY, SO I PREPARED THESE REMARKS.
SO I LIVE WITH MY WIFE BRENDA AT 5 4 5 6 APRIL.
AS I MENTIONED, THANK THE PLANNING BOARD ALLOWING ME TO ADDRESS YOU REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
SINCE BECOMING AWARE OF IT, ALONG WITH MY NEIGHBORS, I'M VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE EFFECT OF HAVING THIS, UH, KIND OF BUSINESS PRACTICALLY IN MY BACKYARD.
UH, UH, OUR HOME IS APPROXIMATELY 280 FEET FROM THIS, UH, PROJECT, UH, AS RETIREES, UM, THAT ENJOY OUR HOME AND OUR YARD, IT REALLY CONCERNS US THAT, UH, OUR PEACEFUL EXISTENCE CAN BE AND WILL BE DISRUPTED IF THIS GETS BUILT.
WE ALSO HAVE GREAT CONCERN OVER THE EXPECTED DEVALUATION OF OUR BIGGEST ASSET, OUR, OUR HOME.
THE DEVELOPER PROMISES VARIOUS ADDITIONS TO HIS PLANS TO DECREASE THE EFFECTS OF THE NOISES OF LIGHT.
THE SMELLS, UH, EMANATING FROM THE SITE, WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY DO SO IS TO BE SEEN, BUT THEY ONLY DECREASE THOSE EFFECTS.
UH, THIS PROJECT DOES NOT BELONG THIS CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS FOR THE, IN THE TOWN FOR OVER 50 YEARS, AND WE'VE BEEN PAYING PROPERTY TAXES FOR 45 OF THOSE.
WE BELIEVE THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE COMMITTEES THEY APPOINT HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS IN MIND.
WE DO BELIEVE THAT, AND I'M SURE YOU WOULDN'T WANNA BUY OR BUILD YOUR OWN HOME THIS CLOSE TO A CAR WASH.
I BEG YOU TO REJECT THIS PROJECT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? FINAL CALL FOR ANYONE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE, UM, MOD CAR WASH? SO WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THE PUBLIC, SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE IT.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD OPEN UNTIL JUNE 17TH.
SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO WRITE IN, WRITE IN, THEY'LL WRITE, THEY CAN WRITE IN, THEY CAN SUBMIT IT IN PERSON OR THEY CAN SUBMIT IT TO MY EMAIL.
UM, WE'RE ALSO ALSO WAITING ON POTENTIAL AGENCY RESPONSES.
WE SENT IT TO THE AGENCY WE SENT WHEN WE DID THE COORDINATOR REVIEW, SO WE SENT IT TO DOT, THE DEC AND
UM, SO WE SENT IT ON THE 16TH.
SO WE SHOULD BE ANTICIPATING SOME RESPONSES FROM YOU, SOME OF THOSE AGENCIES.
UM, AND YEAH, SO JOSH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE PEOPLE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.
THIS REPORT THAT THE APPLICANT IS REFERRING TO, IT IS AVAILABLE AT THE TOWN HALL.
SO IT'S AVAILABLE AND YOU CAN GET COPIES, UH, YOU CAN GET A COPY OF IT.
RIGHT? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH COPIES? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
BECAUSE WE, WE HAD COPIES FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, AND I THINK THERE'S ONE, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S ONE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN HALL FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND LOOK AT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TO DISTRIBUTE TO, TO DISTRIBUTE DIVIDUAL PEOPLE, BUT IT IS ALSO ONLINE ON THE PLANNING BOARD PAGE OF MOD WATCH, DEIS.
THE ENTIRE DIS AND THE APPENDIX ARE ONLINE.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST BOOK THAT WHEN THE GENTLEMAN WAS SPEAKING, THIS IS WHAT HE WAS REFERENCING.
AND I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT EVERYBODY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S APPENDICES TO MAKE NUTS BACK DOWN HERE.
IT'S A GOOD THING WE GOT THE SKIRT TO COVER IT ALL.
THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL APPENDICES THAT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU CAN COME TO TOWN HALL AND REVIEW THIS AND LOOK AT THIS AS WELL.
SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FOUR, THAT THING.
SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD ARE ACTUALLY ADDRESSED IN HERE.
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AND THEN THERE'S THREE OTHERS BESIDES THIS.SO THIS IS VOLUME FOUR, APPENDIX M AND, AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S A THROUGH K, K, RIGHT.
AND THE SOUND STUDY IS IN THERE AS WELL.
BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT.
SO IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS, I CAN'T TAKE QUESTIONS.
YOU CAN TALK TO JOSH AFTER THE MEETING IF YOU HAVE.
NO, I JUST WANNA ASK IF THE RESPONSES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WILL BE ONLINE AS WELL FROM THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT YOU WERE JUST SPEAKING? OH, EVERYTHING WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ONCE THEY COME IN.
EVERYTHING IS AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE.
SO IN TERMS OF THE NEXT STEPS, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE, WE'RE CLOSING OUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
WE'RE KEEPING OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD UNTIL JUNE 17TH ON JUNE 19TH.
UM, WE WILL DISCUSS, UH, ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OVER ON JUNE 19TH, THEY'LL COME BACK, WE'LL DISCUSS THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, WE'LL DEEM WHICH ONES ARE SUBSTANTIVE.
YOU GUYS AND MEMBERS OF THE PLAINTIFF BOARD CAN GIVE YOUR COMMENTS AT THAT JUNE 19TH MEETING.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR US BECAUSE OUR NEXT STEPS WILL BE WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THE SUBSTATIVE COMMENTS.
WE'RE TAKING THE RESPONSES THAT WE GOT FROM THE AGENCIES.
UM, AND WE'RE PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA START PREPARING THE FBIS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO, UM, GIVE LIKE A FIRST DRAFT OF IT.
BUT THE FEIS IS YOUR GUYS' OPINION, UM, OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE DEIS.
SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM A FIRST CRACK AT IT.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS THAT WE GET THROUGH THE COMMENT PERIOD, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER AN FBIS BECAUSE WE HAVE 45 DAYS ONCE WE CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT TO PUT THAT FEIS TOGETHER.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE ON.
AND THEN FOLLOWING THE FEIS WE'LL FILE THE, THE NOTICE OF IT.
WE'LL PUT IT IN THE EB NOTICE, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE WILL DO THE FILING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO FROM HERE.
JOSH, REMIND ME IF I JUST MISSED THIS.
UM, SO AT OUR JUNE, AT OUR NEXT, OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JUNE 19TH, THE 19TH, JUNE 19TH, UM, YOU WANNA DISCUSS OUR COMMENTS THEN, OR DO YOU WANT US TO HAVE THEM TO YOU BEFORE THE MEETING? IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET IT TO US BEFORE THE MEETING, JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A HIGH LEVEL CONVERSATION OF IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IF REMEMBER THE DOLLAR GENERAL PROJECT? YEAH.
WE CAME FIRST TIME WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE HAD YOU GUYS GIVE YOUR COMMENTS AT THAT SECOND.
AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT AGAIN, OR DO YOU WANT THEM IN IN ADVANCE AS WELL? YEAH, I THINK KAILYN LAST TIME YOU DID LIKE TRACK CHANGES ON YOUR COMMENTS ON THE DIS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY OR JUST ANY WAY YOU WANT TO GET IT TO US BEFORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
UH, DID YOU CLOSE THE HEARING? I DID.
I SAID I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WERE YOU LEAVING PUBLIC COMMENT OPEN UNTIL JUNE 17TH? RIGHT.
I QUICKLY ALSO WANTED TO QUICKLY JUST ADDRESS, WE HAD A COMMENT FROM THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, WE HAD ONE IN MARCH OF 2023.
SO UNLESS YOU GUYS WANNA REOPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.
SO ON THE 19TH, WE DON'T HAVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN, ESPECIALLY USE
YEAH, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THERE WAS MENT ABOUT THAT.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SITE PLAN AND FOR THE, UM, THE SPECIAL USE 'CAUSE THAT WAS ADDRESSED AND IT'S PART OF THE MINUTES.
AND IT'S PART OF THE RECORD THAT IS ON THE WEBSITE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, I BELIEVE ALSO FOR THE NEIGHBORS, UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER GUY, JASON, WHO I KNOW HAS COME ABOUT A COUPLE OF MEETINGS.
UM, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FROM HIM YET.
UM, IF SO, IF HE DOES HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYBODY ELSE SHOULD KNOW, WE DON'T SPREAD THE WORD.
UM, WE'RE TAKING ALL COMMENTS UNTIL THE 17TH, SO JUST GET 'EM TO US BY THEN.
AND AGAIN, I JUST WANNA REITERATE, WHEN YOU'RE ADDRESSING, UM, WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS, MAKE SURE THAT YOU PUT YOUR NAME, MAKE IT LEGIBLE, PLEASE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SENDING AN EMAIL, SIGN THE EMAIL ON THE BOTTOM.
AND I DON'T MEAN A WRITTEN SIGNATURE, I MEAN, JUST PUT YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND, UM, SO WE KNOW HOW TO ATTACH IT TO WHAT CASE AND WHERE, WHERE IT'S AFFILIATED.
YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT WE GET.
AND PEOPLE DO NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO BE RUDE, BUT NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO WRITE A LETTER ANYMORE, AND THEY THINK THAT WE KNOW THAT YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS IS SUZY SUNSHINE@YAHOO.COM.
WELL, I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THAT IS.
SO WE NEED NAMES AND WE NEED ADDRESSES ON THE BOTTOM.
AND THE REASON WHY WE SAY THE ADDRESS, IT'S GONNA BE A, IT WILL BE A PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD.
BUT IF YOU'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'RE NOT FAR FROM A PROJECT, AND THIS IS NOT JUST THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THIS, FOR, FOR ANY PROJECT THAT YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT PROXIMITY YOU'RE IN.
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INFORMATION YOU GIVE US, THE BETTER OFF WE ARE.I LANCE THE LOGISTIC QUESTION.
UM, SO JOSH'S EMAIL ADDRESS IS ON THE WEBSITE.
IS SOMEONE MONITORING? IS THERE SOMEONE FORWARDING ANYTHING THAT COMES INTO ANNALISE'S INBOX? OKAY.
YES, THEY'RE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF.
EVERYTHING'S GETTING FORWARD TO SARAH AND TO JOSH.
SHOULD WE GO TO ANNALISE AT THIS POINT? EVERYTHING SHOULD EITHER GO TO JOSH OR TO SARAH ANNISE IS, UM, ON LEAVE, ARE WE GONNA UPDATE THE WEBSITE? BECAUSE IT SAYS IT WITH A UPDATE WITH THE TABLE THAT SAYS, PLEASE CONTACT ANNISE OR JOSH ON THE WEBSITE.
SO WE MAY WANNA, FOR THE TIME BEING, JUST HAVE IT SAFE TO SAY JOSH.
JOSH, SARAH, THE POTENTIAL CONFUSION UNTIL SHE'S BACK TIME.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? I, WE CAN CHANGE IT THEN BACK AGAIN.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY'S CONFUSED IF THEY LOOK AT THE WEBSITE, WHAT HAVEN'T FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
ANYTHING ELSE IN REGARDS TO MY CAR WATCH? SEEING NONE, WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO PEOPLE INC REQUESTING A MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION THAT IS LOCATED AT WEST SIDE OF ROGER ROAD, NORTH OF SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
I, YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT THE LUNCH.
LITTLE, LITTLE ROPE OFF SECTION.
THAT'S WHAT, MAYBE THAT'S BETTER FLYER.
SO WE'RE HERE, UH,
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CAN YOU TAKE THAT OUT IN THE HALLWAY PLEASE? SO WE'RE, THANK YOU.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE REQUESTING SCHEDULING OF A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE MINOR TWO LAP SUBDIVISION OF THE PEOPLE INC.
UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN UNDER REVIEW A NAUSEUM, UM, INCLUDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE PUD ISSUED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, AND JUST ONE THING I WANT TO NOTE, UM, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT, UM, DRAFT RESOLUTIONS BE PREPARED AND IN THAT DRAFT RESOLUTION, UM, A WAIVER FOR FILING OF A MAP COVER, UM, WHICH I THINK IS PRETTY TYPICAL FOR A MINOR SUBDIVISION.
UM, I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST, BUT WE WOULD REQUEST THAT IF THE BOARD SHOULD DEEM IT NECESSARY.
UM, I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH.
BUT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE ROOM ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 19? OKAY.
WE HAVE ONE WORK SESSION ITEM AND 1, 2, 3, 4 RESUME.
SO THIS WILL BE THE FIFTH BILL.
WHAT'S THE WORK SESSION? UH, A RESTAURANT NEAR HOBBY LOBBY FOR
WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT BEFORE, CORRECT? WE HAVE NOT SEEN.
SO WE'RE GONNA SCHEDULE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR JUNE 19, JUNE 19TH.
AND, UM, JOSH HAS GOT THE NOTE ABOUT THE, THE MAP COVER.
WE'LL, WE INCORPORATE THAT AND, UM, WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON THE 19TH.
CAN I JUST ASK A QUICK QUESTION OF THE SITE PLAN? WHAT IS BEING DIVIDED? I DON'T HAVE THAT HISTORY.
LIKE WHAT'S THE, THIS WHOLE AREA IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF WHAT? LARGER PIECE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SINCE THIS JUST GOT DROPPED ON ME TODAY, I AM NOT COMPLETE, BUT WE, I WILL GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
THE PINK IS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WHOLE, I BELIEVE IT'S MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT YOU CAN SEE THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEING, UM, THAT'S THE SURVEY.
THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE THAT'S THE PROPERTY IN SPACE.
I, I WILL, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT REALLY AT ALL, BUT I CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE VISUALLY.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE NO, I DO, BUT IT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY A DRIVEWAY, IT ACTUALLY BEING REMOVED FROM LIKE IN REFERENCE, LIKE TYPICALLY IF YOU HAVE A SUBDIVISION, YOU SEE LIKE THE OTHER BOUNDARIES OF LIKE YEAH.
WHERE THE TWO LOTS WHERE WHAT, WHAT'S BEING CREATED? SO LIKE IS IT LIKE WHERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE OVER HERE THAT THIS IS NOW BEING CREATED? YEAH.
IS THAT WE CAN, I'LL, I'LL MAKE, I'LL MAKE SURE WE PREPARE AN EXHIBIT MAPS AND YOU CAN GET A GOOD VISUAL
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OF, OF THAT YOU COULD SIGN.I THINK THAT'S JUST AN OUT PARCEL.
LET ME, I GOT, I THINK THAT'S JUST AN OUT PART.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S PART OF THIS.
THE LITTLE, THE ONE IN THE TOP.
AT THE TOP YOU MEAN? I MEAN NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT, BUT NOW YOU'RE LIKE HUGGING, WHATEVER THAT IS.
IT ALSO SAYS, UH, JACQUELINE MENKY.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THAT ONE HOUSE.
I THINK IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM ME.
AND THEN WE MIGHT BE YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL EASEMENT IN ORDER TO GET, OR YEAH, CROSS SHOULD GET A DRIVEWAY.
I'M JUST, WAIT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT EASEMENT? NOT AN EASEMENT.
JUST THE EXTENSION FOR DRIVER.
YEAH, THAT'S A SEPARATE PARCEL.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WAS NOT INITIALLY REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE WORK THEY WERE DOING PLACE NOW BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING SOURCE, THIS SUBDIVISION THAT HAPPENS.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT SAY THIS IN DIVIDING HALF FOR THOSE TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DIVIDING IT.
I THINK IT'S BECAUSE FINANCING, I THINK IT'S BEING PULLED FROM LITTLE LARGER PARCEL.
SO THE LARGER POID YOU HAVE UP THERE, CALIN, CAN YOU WE NEED THE, THERE'S LIKE A AT THE TOP.
THAT'S A SEPARATE, SEPARATE PARCEL.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT LAND LOCKING ANY THAT'S ALREADY THERE ALREADY EXISTED.
SO THEN THIS IS THEN GOING TO BECOME A NEW PROPERTY WISE.
MY FEELING IS THE OVERALL PROPERTY IS BIGGER THAN WHAT YOU CAN SEE THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEING SUBDIVIDED AGAIN, USUALLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT'S FOR FINANCING REASONS, REASONS THAT WASN'T THIS ALREADY APPROVED.
THE REASON WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE FINANCING.
SO THIS WAS, THIS PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND REAPPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
A SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WAS NOT REQUIRED AT THE TIME 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS MERGING SEVERAL PARCELS AND THEN CREATING FEWER, FEWER PARCELS TO DO THIS PROJECT.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT'S FUNDING SOURCE REQUIRES TOWN SUBDIVISION APPROVAL SINCE THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED ALL REQUIRED PAPERWORK FOR OUR MINOR SUBDIVISION.
SO ACTUALLY NOTHING'S REALLY BEING SPLIT.
THIS IS JUST FOR PAPERWORK FOR OUR FUNDING.
I GET YEAH, SAME, SAME TAX PARCEL, RIGHT? YES, EVERYTHING'S THE SAME.
IT'S NOT, BUT IT SAYS THEY'RE CREATING A NEW PARCEL.
IT WILL, IT WILL CREATE A NEW PARCEL.
IT'LL STILL OPERATE AS WE ALREADY DID ONE.
THE SAME HOLDERS ALREADY CREATE, THEY ALREADY CREATED THE PARCEL AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
BUT WE HAVE TO DO THE FINAL STEP BECAUSE THERE'S A BOX THAT THEY CAN'T CHECK WITH THEIR BANK.
SO, AND THEY'RE, THEY WANNA WAIVE FILING OF A MAP COVER.
SO A MAP COVER IS, OH, HOLD ON.
SHE SENT ME A TEXT AND SAYS THEY DIDN'T REQUIRE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WHEN WE DID THIS ORIGINALLY.
BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT WERE COMBINED AND THEN RE-SIT.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID, THAT REDUCTION, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO REESTABLISH THIS AS A SUBDIVISION BECAUSE IT WASN'T A SUBDIVISION BECAUSE WE HAD FEWER PARKING'S.
WE JUST HAVE TO DO THE APPROVAL SO THE BANK CAN CHECK A BOX.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING.
IT'S, WE'RE JUST GIVING IT APPROVAL AS A SUBDIVISION.
THE WAY WAY CINDY DESCRIBED IT.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW, WHAT'S BEING CUT UP? YEAH, WE COULD CUT UP OVERALL.
SO YOU GUYS APPROVED IT PRIOR A WHILE BACK.
SO, UM, MY MEMO WOULD SAVE THE DAY.
SO WE WILL SEE YOU NICK HERE ON JUNE 19TH.
ARE YOU TAKING A LUNCHBOX?
I THINK SEAN OWES ME A LUNCH AFTERWARDS.
SEAN, LIKE I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE LIKE WHEN YOU DO, WHEN YOU DO A BIG RESIDE SUBDIVISION, WE CAN HAVE LARGER PARTS SPEND UP IN THE HOWEVER MANY PRESIDENTIAL LOTS YOU HAVE.
FEDERAL MATH CLUB, THOSE LOTS IN THE WORLD CLUB FOR STUDENT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT.
AND WE HAD SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
IT'S USUALLY, USUALLY THAT'S WHY I WAS WHERE I WAS GOING.
SO DID EVERYBODY GET TO READ THE MINUTES? I HOPE BECAUSE SARAH SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME DOING THEM.
YOU MIGHT NOTICE WHAT PAGES ARE MINUTES? I'M SORRY, 20 PAGES OF MINUTES? MM-HMM
YEAH, I DID A LOT OF ROAD
UM, THERE WAS ONE, UH, UNDER MARGO'S DISCUSSION.
I BELIEVE IT, IT SAID AN ANSWER TO AN ANSWER AND I THINK IT
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SHOULD HAVE BEEN A, A QUESTION THAT WAS ANSWERED.IT WAS ON WHAT PAGE NUMBER? I I SHOULD HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IT WHEN I NOTICED IT.
NOBODY ELSE RECALLS SEEING THAT.
NO, WE CAN GO ON MEAN IT JUST, IT JUST, THIS IS IT.
DO YOU WANNA VOTE ON IT? SURE.
I JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE WORD I SENT.
YEAH, JUST CHANGE THE WORD AND I JUST SENT ONE, UH, THERE WAS TWO INVERTED LETTERS IN THE WORD THAT SARAH WAS GONNA CORRECT.
SO THAT'S LITERALLY JUST A TY OF CHANGE.
SO I THINK WITH THOSE, I THINK THOSE COULD BOTH BE DONE RIGHT WITHOUT ANY CONCERNS.
ANYTHING ELSE IN THE MINUTES? SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MAY 15TH MINUTES.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING? ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? WE NEED A MOTION.
ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO, BUT YOU TOLD ME.
SO YOU STOPPED ME FROM DOING THAT.
I KNOW THESE PEOPLE ARE OUTTA LINE TONIGHT.
WELL, YOU SAID ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOT, I WOULD LIKE A SECOND.
IT STARTED BACK WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BEFORE I GOT TO ANNOUNCE THAT IT WAS THE MEETING AND IT WENT OFF, OFF THE RAILS THERE.
SO WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? YOU SHOULD MAKE THE MOTION.
YOU OKAY? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SO WHO I, I MOVE THAT THE, UH, MINUTES FOR MAY 15TH BE APPROVED.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT SINCE I WROTE THEM.
NONE OPPOSED? UH, MOTION PASSES.
ANY OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I WILL GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ON JUNE 19TH AT THE MEETING DURING THE WORK SESSION THERE, WE ONLY HAVE ONE CASE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A 20 MINUTE SESSION THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS AND UH, ATTORNEY GOGAN AND MYSELF ARE GONNA GO OVER, UM, WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS ON SOME CHANGES AND SOME CLARIFICATIONS.
WHAT TIME IS THAT? THAT WILL BE DURING THE, DURING THE WORK SESSION AND IT'S GONNA BE POSTED IN THE AGENDA.
SO, UM, WE HAVE ONE, ONE WORK SESSION UP AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY DO THE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO THE WORK SESSION AND THEN WE'LL DO OUR LITTLE DISCUSSION.
I MIGHT NOT BE HERE ON THE 19TH, SO WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE A SIDEBAR ON THE SIDEBAR.
YOU CAN READ THE MINUTES THAT DENNIS WRITES OUR SECRETARY.
WOULD THERE BE, WHY WOULD THERE BE MINUTES ON AN ATTORNEY SESSION? NO.
WELL, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ATTORNEY SESSION, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S MINUTES BECAUSE IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE RECORDED ANYWAYS.
IT'S, IT WILL BE DURING THE REGULAR WORK SESSION.
WE'RE NOT ADJOURNING FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IT'S NOT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
IT'S A, A REVIEW OF SOME STUFF.
I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA YELL AT US FOR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET THOUGH.
HAVE I EVER YELLED AT YOU? I MAYBE LAST WEEK.
I WAS NOT ON THE EARLIER
IF I CAN MAKE IT HERE, I'LL, OKAY, GREAT.