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WELL, YOU JUST MENTIONED 125 PAGES OF MINUTES AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING ANY MINUTES THIS PAST WEEK.
YEAH, WE, THEY EMAILED THE WEZEL AND PARKER WROTE, RIGHT? OH, THOSE STARTED, YOU KNOW, I WROTE, OUR MEETING WAS NOT THAT LONG FOR IT, TO BE HONEST.
I'M GETTING LIKE, I WAS LIKE IT THE LAST ONE.
WHY DON'T EVEN, DON'T EVEN MAKE A COMMENT.
OH, WELL, I WAS GONNA COMMENT AFTER MY OTHER THING WRAPPED UP.
OKAY, WE'RE A FEW MINUTES LATE, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET GOING.
WE HAVE OUR WORK SESSION, MR. JOE MCNAMARA, UM, REQUESTING A PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL FOR A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARKER.
I'M ROB PONIK OF NUSS PALMER AND CLARK, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, JOSEPH MCNAMARA.
MR. MCNAMARA IS WITH ME THIS EVENING.
UH, HE CURRENTLY OWNS A 16 ACRE PARCEL ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF PARKER ROAD, NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE OTHER PROJECT THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, AND HE IS REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL TO CREATE A FOUR LOT MINOR SUBDIVISION AT THIS SITE.
UM, THE PROPERTY, HE'S GONNA CREATE THREE NEW LOTS FOR, UH, POTENTIAL PURCHASERS THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG PARKER ROAD, AND THEN HE'S KEEPING THE BIG LOT FOR HIMSELF.
LOT NUMBER FOUR, SO SUBDIVIDING OFF THREE LOTS.
THE LOWER PARCEL, HE'S CREATING A FLAG LOT IN THE BACK, AND THAT SHADED AREA INDICATES 50 FEET THAT HE'S TAKING OFF OF 46 0 2.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE ACCESS INTO THE BACK PROPERTY.
THAT TOTAL SITE IS, UH, MORE THAN A HALF ACRE FOR JUST THAT LOT.
THE REQUIREMENT IN THE R ONE ZONE IS 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
ALL THE LOTS THAT HE'S CREATING ARE IN EXCESS OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY THAT HE'S KEEPING FOR HIMSELF IS, UH, 15.07 ACRES.
PUBLIC SANITARY SEWERS AND WATER LINES ARE AVAILABLE ON PARKER ROAD TO SERVE THE NEW HOMES.
AND, UH, THE PROJECT IS, UH, UNLISTED ACTION PURSUANT TO SEEKER.
WE DID SUBMIT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM WITH THE, UH, WITH OUR APPLICATION, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT A, A NEGATIVE DECLARATION BE ISSUED WHEN THAT TIME COMES.
SO, UH, IN CONCLUSION, WE WERE ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF A FOUR LOT MINOR SUBDIVISION, UM, AND WE WOULD REQUEST TO BE PLACED ON YOUR NEXT AVAILABLE AGENDA FOR YOUR, AS A REGULAR BUSINESS ITEM.
AND IF IT IS NECESSARY TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU COULD DO THAT AS WELL.
AND AS I SAID, I'M HERE WITH MR. MCNAMARA, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
UM, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? DO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND, UM, HOW THEY'RE COMING UP WITH FOUR LOTS? YOU CAN CLARIFY.
UM, MR. MCNAMARA LIVES HERE, SO HE'S, HE'S CREATING TWO LOTS UP HERE.
THERE'S A HOME HERE THAT YOU OWN THAT HOME, RIGHT? YES.
SO HE'S TAKING SOME OF THAT AWAY YEAH.
SO THERE'S 1, 2, 3, AND THEN THIS IS THE, THE NEW ONE.
THE FOURTH ONE IS ACTUALLY THE LARGE ONE IN THE BAG.
BUT THAT'S, IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE THIS LOT ALREADY EXISTS.
HE'S JUST, OR THIS LOT ALREADY EXISTS.
HE'S JUST TAKING THIS PORTION AND USING IT FOR THE BLACK LOT.
THE RECTANGLE AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
THIS, NO, THAT'S NOT HIS PROPERTY.
NO, THAT WAS, AND YOU SAID THAT THIS IS NOT TIED TO THE OTHER? NOTHING.
IT, THEY HAPPEN TO BE ON THE SAME STREET.
THIS, YEAH, THIS IS ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND THAT, THAT ONE'S NO, IT'S ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET.
THEY'RE NOT ASSOCIATED, BUT THEY ARE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET.
YES, THEY'RE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BECAUSE WHEN I DROVE UP, I'M LIKE, WAIT, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT'S NOT ON THE, AND HE WANTED TO CALL IT PARKER ROAD SOUTHERN? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO IT'S THIS WAY THAT JOHN MICHAEL WAY DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YES.
WHEN, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS
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USED AS A FARM? JILL? WHAT WAS THAT THE LAST TIME IT WAS USED AS A FARM? NO, NO, WHERE I LIVE? UH, THIS PARK? YEAH.THE, THAT PROPERTY, YOU MEAN WHERE THE LOTS ARE? YEAH.
UH, I'M STILL CUTTING HAY ON IT TO KEEP IT, UH, CLEAN, BUT I HAVEN'T CROPPED IT FOR 10 YEARS AS FAR AS CROPS OTHER THAN HAY.
I MEAN, I'VE JUST BEEN DOING HAY, MOWING HAY ON IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT, KEEPING IT CLEAN AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR VALUE FOR, FOR AGRICULTURE, NOTHING.
I MEAN, THE HAY VALUE THERE, IT COSTS ME AS MUCH TO MAKE THE HAY IS WHAT IT'S WORTH.
IN TODAY'S, TODAY'S BUSINESS FARMING BUSINESS.
IF YOU'RE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, GIANT HERE,
SO NO, AS FAR AS TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE FARM, I STILL HAVE THE BACK PART OF IT THERE.
AND I STILL HAVE, UH, UH, I'M JUST DOING HAY ON THE WHOLE FARM.
THAT'S ALL I'VE DONE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS THERE.
DOES THIS FALL INTO ANY KIND OF OVERLAY OR, UM, LET'S SEE.
ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH CREATING? UM, NO.
HE'S NOT IN ANY OF THE OVERLAYS.
DOES IT CREATE ANY ISSUES WITH, UM, HAVING DRIVEWAYS ONTO PAR, ADDING HOUSES RIGHT ONTO PARKER ROAD? NOT FROM THE EXPLANATION WE RECEIVED FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ENGINEERING? NOTHING FROM US.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER AGREEMENTS OR LONG-TERM PLANS FOR THIS PARCEL? I WAS LOOKING AT THE AERIAL MAP AND IT LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE ROADS FROM THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISION JUST SORT OF STOPS AT YOUR PROPERTY LINE BRIDGEWAY OVER THERE.
WELL, THERE IS A STUB, STUB ROAD DOWN THERE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A REAL WEIRD END.
IT JUST SORT OF, WELL, I MEAN, OF COURSE THAT'S THE TOWN ENGINEERING.
THEY, THEY DON'T, AS FAR AS WHAT, UH, I WAS TOLD WHEN, UH, J AND M HOMES ENDED UP BUYING THE BACK HALF OF OUR FARM FROM MY MOTHER'S ESTATE, THAT, UH, THE TOWN REQUIRED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DEAD END SUBDIVISIONS.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE A STUB ROLLED OUT OF IT SOMEPLACE FOR SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE'S.
A MATTER OF GOOD PLANNING TO, I MEAN, PUT A SUB STREET THERE, BUT JOE DOESN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE PLANS? I DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS.
I'M, UH, PLANNING ON FARMING UNTIL, UH, THE GOOD, I CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE UNTIL THE TRACTOR RUNS OUT.
I JUST HAD MY 81ST BIRTHDAY, SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHEN DO WE GO? UM, WE CAN SCHEDULE HIM FOR THE AUGUST 7TH MEETING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
DID WE ALREADY HAVE HIM? HE'S ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY BACK INTO IT, BUT HE WAS PART OF WHAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
SO HE'S THE ONLY, IS THAT THE ONLY PUBLIC HEARING? UM, THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING WAS WALMART.
SO M AND WALMART WILL BE TWO PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE COULD SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUST 7TH.
AND, UM, IF YOU GUYS CAN COME BACK THEN WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.
ARE YOU AUTHORIZING ANY RESOLUTIONS FOR THAT? I'M AUTHORIZING APPROVAL OR RESOLUTIONS.
DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT? UH, NOPE.
UM, OUR NEXT CASE FOR UNDER OUR WORK SESSION IS BUFFALO MULTI-FIT, REQUESTING A SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A 3000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AT 4 1 1 0 ST.
GOOD EVENING, GOOD AFTERNOON, OR GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS JOE NACHO, UM, REPRESENTING MY CLIENT, BUFFALO MULTI-FIT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THEY COULD NOT MAKE THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
UH, SO I'LL BE, UH, GOING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AND, UH, WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR, ON THE SCREEN HERE IS WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A 3000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING, UH, 3,220 SQUARE FOOT, UH, UH, BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
UH, BUFFALO MULTI-FIT IS A PERSONAL TRAINING FACILITY, AND, UH, THE REASON FOR THE ADDITION IS JUST, IT'S NOT FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, CLIENTS, IT'S JUST FOR ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, UH, THAT THEY WANT TO USE MORE LIKE RU FOR RUNNING AND SO FORTH.
WE ALSO PLAN ON CLOSING THE DRIVEWAY ON ST.
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CURRENTLY THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE AREA, AND CREATING A NEW DRIVEWAY ON BIG TREE ROAD.AND THE REASON, THERE'S TWO REASONS FOR THAT.
ONE FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, AND THE OTHER REASON IS TRYING TO MAKE A A LEFT OUT OF THERE IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
UH, WE ARE ALSO WELL AWARE THAT, UH, WE DO NEED TWO VARIANCES.
ONE FOR THE, UH, PARKING SETBACK OF 35 FEET OFF ST.
FRANCIS DRIVE, AND THE OTHER BEING THE REAR BUILDING SETBACK OF 10 FEET, WHICH WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, 5.13 FEET RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE EXISTING PARKING IS 16 STALLS.
AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP, UM, EXCUSE ME, WITH THIS PLAN.
AND THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING PILE ON, ON SITE THAT WE HAVE TO RELOCATE, UH, TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE PARKING.
UM, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NOTHING MORE, NO.
ENGINEERING, UH, JUST GENERALLY FOR US, THIS IS GOING TO BE ABOUT DRAINAGE, UM, WITH THE CHANGE IN THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, A NEW BUILDING ADDITION.
WHAT ARE THE ROOF LEADERS MM-HMM
AND THEN I SAW, BASED ON GOOGLE STREET VIEW, IF IT'S STILL THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY KIND OF A DRAINAGE DITCH ALREADY.
THERE'S A DRAINAGE THERE, ROOM THERE MM-HMM
UM, SO WE'D REALLY JUST WANNA SEE HOW YOU'RE HANDLING DRAINAGE AND GRADING AND THE IMPACTS ON IT.
UM, SO, UH, BASICALLY WAS SET TO SHIP TO THE PROPERTY.
UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, I DON'T EXPECT ANY ISSUES.
WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT, WE GETTING THE TO POLE, UH, COMPLETED FOR THE PROJECT.
SO ONCE WE GET THAT, WE CAN START TO UNDERSTAND DRAINAGE.
CURRENTLY, IT'S SHEET TRAINING RIGHT NOW, UH, TO THE EITHER SIDE AND THERE IS AN EXISTING CATCH BASIN IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS GONNA BE REMOVED FOR THE ADDITION.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO FINISH THAT, SEE WHERE THAT GOES, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
SO SHOULD THE PROJECT GET PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL, YOU'D THEN COME TO DRAINAGE AND GRADING PLAN AND DO A REVIEW, BUT AS LONG AS THOSE ITEMS ARE PROPERLY ADDRESSED, I SEE.
I UNDERSTAND ONE, HOW CLOSE ARE YOU GONNA GET? UH, ST THE PARKING ALONG ST.
AND THEN ALSO 10 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LANE.
IS THAT A UH, WELL, THE, THE SETBACK IS REQUIRED 10 FEET.
I'M DOING GOING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THAT.
SO YOU GO FROM 35 TO 10 FOR THE PARKING MM-HMM
AND YOU WANT TO GO FROM 10 TO 5.3 0.13? YES, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE? I'M AND, AND WHAT, WHY DO YOU NEED THAT? I'M SORRY.
WELL, FROM THE 10 FEET AND THE 5.13 FEET, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT? SO, FOR THE PARKING UP FRONT, THE WAY, THE WAY IT'S SITUATED NOW, YOU CAN SEE ON THE AERIAL, THE PARKING DOES GET CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
NOW I'M, I'M, I'M WITHIN THAT 35 FEET CURRENTLY.
SO IN ORDER TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL PARKING AND TO CLOSE THAT DRIVEWAY OFF, AND DI NEED TO GET THAT VARIANCE FOR THE, UH, PARKING LOT SETBACK.
AND IN THE BACK, IN ORDER TO GET MY 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND TO ORIENTATE IT WITH THE SAME ORIENTATION AS EX EXISTING BUILDING, I AM WITHIN THAT, UH, 10 FOOT SETBACK.
SO THE COMMENT LINE IS YOU'RE NOT LEAVING MUCH, UH, PEREA SURFACE OR GREEN SPACE LEFT ON HERE.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE A ROBUST LANDSCAPING PLAN TO OPTIMIZE WHAT YOU HAVE LEFT ON THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE ROADS ON RIGHT ON THE CORNER THERE.
WE HAVE THAT CORNER NEAR THE PYLON, THE RELOCATED PYLON, AND WE HAVE, UH, ROOM ALONG THE PROPERTY LINES.
YEAH, THERE'S TO PUT IN SOME ADDITIONAL TREES.
WE ALSO, WE ALSO PLAN ON ADD, THERE'S A CURRENT, CURRENTLY THERE'S A FENCE THERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, WHICH IS, IT'S, IT'S JUST BEAT UP.
THEY'RE GONNA REMOVE IT AND ADD ANOTHER FENCE AND AS WELL, SO FOR SCREENING, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE THAT UP.
WE PROVIDE PROPER LANDSCAPING THROUGH.
BUT WITH THE VARIANCE NEEDED OF THE BACK BUILDING, HOW CLOSE WOULD THAT BUILDING BE TO ANO ANOTHER STRUCTURE ON ANOTHER PROPERTY? UH, BASED ON THE AERIAL? I'M, I'M, I'M A GOOD DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE, THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT MEASUREMENT.
THAT GARAGE, YEAH, THAT GARAGE LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT.
I CAN, I CAN ADD THE, UH, SURVEYOR JUST AT LEAST GIMME A DIMENSION ON THAT WHEN WE LAY IT OUT.
AND HAVE YOU TALKED TO THAT PROPERTY THOUGH? NO, WE HAVE NOT.
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IT IS OWNED COMMERCIAL.BUT IS IT, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE CURRENTLY? IS THAT, I BELIEVE IT IS.
UH, HE, I BELIEVE HE, UH, HE ALSO HAS SOME SORT OF, UH, SELLS HATS AND STUFF OUT OF HIS GARAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH GAINING ACCESS OR WITH THE FIVE FEET AND THEN GAINING ACCESS AROUND THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING? OR I GUESS MAYBE THERE'S 10 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE? I HAVE TO SAY, I AM CONCERNED WITH THE CLOSENESS TO THE, TO THE, I I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL AREA, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT ESPECIALLY WITH ITS NEW CONSTRUCTION, THAT WE'RE DOING IT WHEN, AND THERE'S A VARIANCE NEEDED ALREADY.
AND I ALMOST WOULD WONDER IF THERE'S NOT ANOTHER SMALLER VERSION.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CLOSENESS TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND THAT GARAGE, ESPECIALLY IF HE'S USING IT AS A BUSINESS.
I BELIEVE THE GARAGE HE'S USING IS WITHIN THE ACTUAL HOUSEHOLD ITSELF.
IT'S A TA IT'S WITHIN THE HOUSE ITSELF.
THAT GARAGE IN THE BACK, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT'S USED FOR.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BACK THERE.
BUT THERE'S LIKE THE 10 FOOT ALONG THE OTHER SIDE FIGHTING A FIRE, YOU KNOW, ONE SIDE OF, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
WHAT WOULD THAT BE? I MEAN, THAT'S EXISTING.
I MEAN, IT'S EXISTING CONDITIONS NOW AND WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE ATTACHING TO.
SO I MEAN, THAT 10 FEET EXISTS WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDING.
BUT IT'S THE NORTH, NORTH, NORTHEAST, EAST SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
AND THERE'S A DIFFERENT ORIENTATION FOR THE ADDITION.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT EXTRA TRIANGLE UP THERE VERSUS TRYING TO CRAM IT IN.
BUT THAT, I MEAN, WITH, WITH DOING THAT, I MEAN, TO NOT MAKING A SQUARE OR RECTANGLE OR WHEN I LOSE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT I NEED.
AND ALSO THE, IF I WERE TO ORIENTATE IT IN A DIFFERENT MANNER, UH, THE CONFIGURATION THAT JUST ADDS, UH, QUITE A BIT OF COST TO THE STRUCTURE THAT ISN'T EXISTING IN THAT TA PARKING AND RIDE BEHIND OUR SPACE.
I KNOW WE CAN'T COUNT ON THAT, BUT WIDE OPEN.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? PLANNING ON GOING TO THE
YOU BE SUBMITTED FOR SEPTEMBER.
UM, YOU WANT THEM TO COME BACK WITH SOME OF THIS, YOU ASKED FOR ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT OF, YOU WANT 'EM TO COME BACK WITH THESE, WITH THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN, THESE AMENDED PLANS BEFORE THEY GO ONTO THE BA.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD USE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN UNTIL AFTER THEY GET A VARIANCE FOR THE TBA.
LOOKING AT THIS NOW YOU'RE GETTING ADDITIONAL PARKING, IS THAT IT? YES.
BUT THAT BUILDING ISN'T GONNA BE USED FOR, IT'S JUST FOR STORAGE.
IT'LL BE USED AS PART OF A PERSONAL TRAINING FACILITY.
FOR EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'LL USE.
THEY'LL BE, YEAH, FOR THE PERSONAL TRAINING WITH THEIR CLIENTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM TO GET THEIR VARIANCE BEFORE THEN WE CAN ASK FOR THAT STUFF.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK TO US, BUT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO JUST GET, HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WEIGH IN ON THAT.
STAY IN BETWEEN THE PROPOSED, THE GARAGE IN THE INTERIM.
AND THAT FEEDBACK WOULD PROBABLY BE FOR CBA AS WELL.
I WE CAN SEE A SINK, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'LL FOLLOW UP THE, I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP.
'CAUSE THEY, I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVEN'T NECESSARILY BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN A LITTLE BUSY.
UM, DO YOU WANT PUT THIS ON FOLLOWING WE, THIS PROJECT WILL ALSO STILL BE A PUBLIC? YES.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW UP WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPING UNTIL AFTER THE, UNTIL AFTER THE VARIANCE.
I THINK THEY SHOULD COME BACK AFTER THE VARIANCE.
YOU WANNA GIVE
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DECEMBER FOUR.WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
ISN'T THAT FROM THE ZBA? A MEETING BE SEPTEMBER 3RD.
WE'LL SEE YOU MEET 4TH OF SEPTEMBER.
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EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO GATHER THEIR SEATS? HELLO? YEAH.I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING FOR JULY, UH, 24TH, UM, 2024, PLANNING BOARD MEETING TO ORDER ALL RISE FOR PLEDGE PLEDGE, JUDGE, THE UNITED, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
EVIDENTLY, WE KNOW HE GOT IS SARAH COMING BACK? UH, DID NOT.
MARGOT IS ABSENT WITH EXCUSED CAITLYN HERE.
I WISH CAITLIN
I WAS, I SAID CAITLYN, JUST TO SEE IF EITHER ONE OF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION.
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HERE.SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR FIRST CASE THIS EVENING, WHICH IS, UM, WELL REMEMBER THE FIRST TWO WALMART AND BOTH DAYTO.
UH, WELL, WALMART, UH, HAS A PUBLIC HEARING FROM, FOR AUGUST 7TH, THE DATE OF PROJECT WAS APPROVED.
THEY'RE ON THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PUBLICATION ISSUE WITH THE TORNADO FROM JULY 10TH.
SO WE WILL START WITH 35 6 LAKE SHORE.
UM, SO 35 56, UM, LAKE SHORE DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING THE REZONING OF 25.32 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF LAKESHORE ROAD, EAST OF WOODLAWN BEACH NORTH FROM A C3 TO A PUD OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, MARCO ROMANOWSKI HERE ON BEHALF OF 3 5 56 LAKESHORE DEVELOPMENT AND CHRIS WOOD FROM CARINA WOOD.
UH, WE'RE THE PROJECT ATTORNEY AND ENGINEER, UH, BILL
OUR PROJECT, SORRY, I'M THINKING.
THIS IS THE FIRST IMPRESSION FOR YOU GUYS ON, ON THIS PROJECT.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS A REZONING, UH, FROM THE EXISTING C3 ZONING FOR THE SITE TO A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WE'RE REFERRING TO AS THE GATEWAY PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE'RE SEEKING TO TURN THE SITE FROM WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY, WHICH IS, UH, PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY COMMERCIAL, UH, WITHIN THE TOWER TO A BLEND OF USES AT THE SITE, A COMBINATION OF PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT'S A PRIMARILY A CONVERSION OVER TO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH REUSE OF THE EXISTING TOWER TO INCLUDE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, HOTEL AND COMPONENTS OF, OF RESTAURANTS WITHIN THAT, UH, WITHIN THAT UNIT.
THEN THE, UH, THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE WOULD HAVE, UH, OUTBUILDING TOWN HOMES, AND THOSE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL.
UH, ONLY, UH, NEXT, NEXT SLIDE.
SO THE TOWER ITSELF, UH, JUST FOR, JUST FOR YOUR OWN EDIFICATION, IT'S 137,000 SQUARE FOOT TOWER, SO A PRETTY BIG, UH, PRETTY BIG, UH, UNIT.
THAT'S THE EXISTING HEIGHT OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UH, YOU SEE SOME MENTION THERE.
AND, AND WHEN WE GET FURTHER ON THE PRESENTATION, WE SHOW A, UH, A POTENTIAL ROOFTOP FEATURE, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE MAY CONSIDER ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, FULLY VETTED THAT PIECE OUT.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO FOR, UH, FUTURE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, AND THEN THE MIX WITHIN THE BUILDING WOULD BE FOUR FLOORS OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, HAVING 10 UNITS PER FLOOR, AND THEN THE BALANCE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL, HOTEL, AND, UH, AS A RESTAURANT AS WE TALKED ABOUT.
THEN THE, AS IT SHOWS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE THERE, UH, IT WOULD BE 16 FIVE STORY TOWN HOMES.
NOW THOSE, THOSE TOWN HOMES ARE FIRST FLOOR GARAGE SPACE, AND THEN, UH, DOUBLE STACK UNITS ABOVE THEM.
UH, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF GETTING THAT, THAT HEIGHT IN PARTICULAR, WHICH WE'RE PROPOSING ABOUT 60 FEET IN HEIGHT, IS TO ALLOW ROOFTOP, UH, VISTAS OVER THE TREE LINE OUT TO THE, OUT TO THE LAKE.
SO THAT'S THE, THE REAL GOAL OF THAT, THAT PARTICULAR, UH, HEIGHT.
UM, INTERESTINGLY, THE, UH, THE PERIMETER WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE SHOWN NOW IS ALL SURFACE PARKING LOT.
THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PARKING OUT ON THAT SITE.
SO OUR, UH, WHEN WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON, YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR GREEN SPACE COUNT, UH, AS A PERCENTAGE ONLY DROPS A, A PERCENTAGE, LIKE ONE OR 2%.
SO, UH, WE'RE STILL, WELL, WELL ABOVE WHAT'S REQUIRED, UH, IN ANY OF THE DISTRICTS, WHETHER IT'S THE C3, UH, THE ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY OR THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT STANDARD.
IT'S, IT'S FAR IN EXCESS OF, OF ALL OF THOSE.
AS FOR PARKING, UH, THE UNITS THEMSELVES WILL HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES.
SO YOU'LL HAVE 256 PARKING SPACES ASSOCIATED WITH, I'M USING THE WORD TOWN HOMES, AND THAT'S JUST THE BEST WAY WE CAN DESCRIBE WHAT THE BUILDING IS.
UH, I KNOW YOUR CODE DEFINES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY THAN WE DO, BUT THAT'S JUST THE TERM WE'RE GONNA USE FOR NOW.
UH, AND THEN A REMAINING 182 SPACES THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE, UH, TO THE TOWER USERS.
WE SUBMITTED IN THE PACKAGE THAT YOU HAVE, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU, WE DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, WHICH TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD BE MINIMAL GIVEN WE'RE ON ROUTE FIVE.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, UH, THE PARKING NEEDS AND SHOW WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING HERE IS GONNA BE, UH, ADEQUATE FOR THE, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
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SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE EXISTING ZONING? SO, I, THE LETTER INTENDED IS, IS IT ADMITTEDLY, MAY BE A LITTLE TOUGH TO FOLLOW JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON HERE, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO, EFFECTIVELY TWO ZONING DISTRICTS AT PLAY, AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING THE IDEA OF A THIRD WITH THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AS A, AS A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT.I TRIED TO SUMMARIZE IT THE BEST I COULD, IN PARTICULAR WITH THIS, WITH THIS SLIDE, ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S REQUIRED OUT THERE NOW.
SO THE C3 HAS AN 85 FOOT MAXIMUM, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, 100 FOOT MINIMUM LOT WIDTH.
UH, THERE'S MINIMUM SETBACKS THAT VARY BETWEEN THE ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY AND THE C3 DISTRICT, UH, SIDE SETBACK IS PRETTY CONSISTENT AT 25 FEET, 20 FOOT REAR, ET CETERA.
AND I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR ALL OF THE, ALL OF THEM.
UM, BUT NOTABLY, WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE REALLY ONLY SEEKING THE, THE PUD TO MODIFY A FEW OF THOSE.
AND PRIMARILY IT HAS TO DO WITH THE TOWN HOMES AND HOW THEY WILL BE, YOU KNOW, CITED OWNED, ET CETERA.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE, EACH OF THE UNITS IS LIKELY TO BE ON THEIR OWN, ON THEIR OWN.
I'M GONNA PUT IN QUOTE SITE, UH, DEPENDING ON WHETHER WE, UH, BUILD 'EM OUT AS CONDOS OR WHETHER THEY'RE RENTALS, THAT'S, THAT'LL AFFECT WHETHER THAT LOT OWNERSHIP IS GOING TO BE INDIVIDUALIZED OR, OR, UH, JUST IN GROUP.
SO WE'RE JUST ENVISIONING MAKING SURE WE CAN, UH, ACCOMPLISH THAT IF NECESSARY, UH, IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.
SO WHAT, UM, HOW IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? UM, IT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT ON POINT WITH A, WITH A, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS LOOKING TO, UH, REALLY SEE MORE REVITALIZATION OF THE WATERFRONT IN, IN GENERAL.
AND WE THINK BY TURNING THIS INTO A RESIDENTIAL, FROM A COMMERCIAL USE, YOU'RE GONNA BRING MORE VITALITY THERE.
UH, ALSO WHEN YOU MIX IN SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING HERE TO CONVERT FROM OFFICE TO, UH, RESTAURANT IN PARTICULAR, OR HOTEL, YOU'RE NOW, YOU KNOW, REALLY BRINGING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, UH, TRAFFIC INTO THE SITE AS FAR AS, UH, BRINGING INDIVIDUALS TO THE SITE AND MAKE IT A DESTINATION.
YOU'LL ALSO SEE, WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THE DESIGN OF THE SITE IS TO TRY TO INTEGRATE ITSELF IN WITH THE, WITH IN, IN PARTICULAR THE PARK AND ALSO TIE ITSELF, UH, FURTHER, FURTHER UP INTO THE WOODLAWN NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT YOU HAVE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE WOODLAWN NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTH AND THE, THE PARK TO THE SOUTH.
SO IT'S REALLY, UM, ENVISIONED TO BE AN OPEN SITE TO BRING PEOPLE IN.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO MAKE THIS A WALLED OFF, UH, WALLED OFF SITE.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT BRINGING RESIDENTS DOWN TO THE WATERFRONT IS, IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LOOKING FOR THAT TYPE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND THEN WE WANNA MAINTAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IMPROVE IS, IS SOMETHING THAT YOUR CODE, YOUR, I'M SORRY, YOUR CONFERENCING PLAN LOOK FOR, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SEEING AS AN IMPROVEMENT.
THE SITE IS VERY WELL MAINTAINED, UH, BY, BY RPO HEALTH, UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD OFF WITH THAT, UM, KIND OF THE EXISTING AESTHETIC OF THE SITE.
SO WHERE ARE WE LOOKING TO, I'D SAY, DEVIATE FROM THE UNDERLYING C3, UH, AND, UH, ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY ZONING.
SO FIRST OFF IS THE PERMITTED USES.
UH, THE C3 DISTRICT DOES NOT PERMIT RESIDENTIAL RESTAURANT OR HOTEL.
THAT OBVIOUSLY, UH, PERMITS THE COMMERCIAL USE FOR THE OFFICE.
UH, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL USES.
THE, UH, PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT ALLOWS, UH, 60 FOOT, 65 FOOT MAXIMUM, UH, AS PART OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, WE'RE ONLY SEEKING 60 FEET, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR THE, UH, FOR THE TOWN HOMES.
OBVIOUSLY THE TOWER IS AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING, UH, REQUIREMENT.
THERE'S AN 85 FOOT MAX IN THE C3 DISTRICT.
SO EVEN, EVEN WITH THAT, THE BUILDING IS IN EXCESS OF IT.
SO, UH, THE REST IS, IS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT IS SOME OF THOSE LOT, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS, WIDTHS, ET CETERA, THAT WE'RE LOOKING, UH, TO ALIGN WITH WHAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, BUT MAYBE INCONSISTENT WITH THE UNDERLYING C3, UH, OR ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY.
SO THOSE ARE LOT WIDTHS, SETBACKS, UM, SIDE SETBACKS, ET CETERA, ALL TO PERMIT, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN AS YOU SEE THERE.
AND IN PARTICULAR, IF WE START INDIVIDUALIZING THE, THE LOT, UH, OWNERSHIP FOR EACH OF THE TOWN HOME UNITS.
CRITICALLY THOUGH, WE, YOU KNOW, THE SITE ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO FEEL LIKE IT'S, UH, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY.
SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, THE PARKING, WHICH IS THERE TODAY AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, THE REAR OF THE TOWER, UH, AND WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING, THE TOWN HOMES, THE BULK OF THE TOWN HOMES, THAT'S, THAT'S EXISTING
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DEVELOPMENT NOW, THAT'S EXISTING PARKING AREA IN THAT AREA.UH, WE'RE PUTTING A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS, UH, UP FRONT ALONG ROUTE FIVE.
WE WANNA TUCK IT INTO THE MATURE TREES THAT ARE UP, UP AT THE FRONT TO MAINTAIN THAT NICE GREEN SPACE.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S A RECREATION AREA AND AROUND THE DETENTION, UH, BASIN THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON THAT, UH, THAT'S THE NORTHEAST CORNER, IF I'VE GOT MY COMPASS DIRECTIONS RIGHT, UH, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE, THE PUT IS ALLOW, IS REALLY DESIGNED TO ALLOW THE ADDITIONAL USES AND GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THE LOTS, UM, AS THEY RELATE TO, UH, THE, UH, THE TOWNHOME UNITS THEMSELVES.
UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL,
SO SOMETHING WITH PARKING IN THE, ON THE, ON THE BASE LEVEL, UH, AND THEN UNITS, UH, STACKED UP, UH, ABOVE IT WITH, UH, CRITICALLY BALCONY SPACE AND ALLOWING, UH, FOLKS TO VIEW, YOU KNOW, GET THE VIEWS OUT, UH, TO THE LAKE.
UH, WE ALSO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ROOFTOP, UH, ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE A ROOFTOP SPACE, UM, FOR THAT, FOR THAT.
CAN WE, UM, ONE MEETING PLEASE.
IF YOU WANNA TALK, YOU GO ON THE HALL.
SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST, AGAIN, PRELIMINARY CONCEPT, BUT TO GIVE YOU GUYS A FLAVOR OF, OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING OF, UM, RELATIVE TO THE TOWNHOME UNITS.
UM, AND THIS IS A REAL ROUGH POTENTIAL IDEA FOR THE, FOR THE ROOFTOP.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO A, A ROOFTOP ADDITION ON THE BUILDING, IT WOULD BE FOR, UH, EVENT SPACE, RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, GIVE, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE EXTRAORDINARY VIEWS, UH, FROM UP TOP.
UH, THAT WOULD BE, IF THEY DECIDE TO GO THAT DIRECTION, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD DO.
AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU COULD TELL EXTRAORDINARILY, UH, PRELIMINARY, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A DESIGN THAT'S JUST MEANT TO SAY, WHAT WERE WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE HEIGHT ON THE ROOF? SO, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY, UH, QUICK RUNDOWN OF WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT GOING ON.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE, WE JUST PRESENTED TO YOU AND IN OUR PACKET.
UH, BUT CHRIS AND, AND MYSELF AND JOE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE.
AND AT THIS STAGE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT EXPECTING ANY ACTION FROM THE BOARD TONIGHT, FULLY EXPECT YOU TO TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, AT WHICH POINT IN TIME WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WORK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WORK THROUGH MORE ISSUES.
CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER? NO, I MEAN, I CAN GO OVER THE SETBACKS, THE, THE, THE SET, CINDY, IF I MAY, BEFORE ANY DISCUSSION OR DELIBERATION WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE MAY BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
UM, AND SO IN THE, TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION, UM, CAITLYN WILL RECUSE HERSELF AND TO DO SO, SHE SHOULD LEAVE THE ROOM ABSENT AN ADVISORY OPINION, OTHERWISE, UH, JUST TO AVOID ANY IMPROPRIETY, UH, APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.
I'M A SHAREHOLDER OF RPO KIT AS A EMPLOYER.
I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT, MARK, MARK WENT THROUGH WHAT OUR PROPOSED SETBACKS ARE.
THOSE ARE MORE RELATED TO BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND ALLOWS THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS TO HAVE ZERO OUTLINE.
BUT OUR BUILDING'S CLOSEST TO ROUTE FIVE OR OVER A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
AND THE SIDE SETBACK IS ACTUALLY THE MINIMUM SIDE SETBACK WE HAVE IS 75 FEET.
AND THEN OUR, OUR SETBACK TO THE WOODLAWN PARK PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE IS 10 FEET.
YEAH, ONE, UH, I JUST, THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP CHRIS.
'CAUSE ONE THING I DIDN'T HAVE ON THAT LIST IS, UH, THE ROUTE FIVE OVERLAY ACTUALLY HAS A 50 FOOT, PARDON ME, MAXIMUM SETBACK.
AND, AND WE'RE GONNA BE, AS CHRIS POINTED OUT, MUCH GREATER THAN THAT.
WE WANTED TO TRY TO KEEP SOME OF THE BIG TREES THAT ARE ALONG, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE PART THERE, WHERE IT CURVES.
YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A GROUPING RIGHT THERE ON THAT CORNER PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE, IN TERMS OF PROCESS, KIND OF LIKE WHAT MARK SAID, THIS IS JUST AN INTRODUCTORY MEETING.
UM, YOU GUYS GONNA ASK ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, THAT YOU NEED.
AND PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO,
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UM, ONCE WE TABLE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING TABLE IT, WE'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER AFTER THAT SECOND MEETING, WE'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER A PRELIMINARY REPORT THAT GOES OVER AS CONFORMANCE TO THE COMP PLAN.ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, WE PRESENT IT AT A MEETING FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, REVIEW, REVISE, AND THEN IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IT, WE WILL THEN ADD A FOLLOWING MEETING ISSUE THAT REPORT, UM, EITHER FOR A POSITIVE WARNING RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TIME.
ENGINEERING, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER OR IS IT TOO EARLY FOR YOU? UH, WELL, TYPICALLY WITH REZONINGS IT'S NOT A LOT OF ENGINEERING.
UH, WE'LL GET MORE DETAIL OBVIOUSLY IF WE GO TO SITE PLAN.
UM, BUT JUST A REMINDER, BASED ON SOME OF OUR EXPERIENCE, UM, IF AT ANY POINT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS YOU, YOU PUT ANYTHING ABOUT GREEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE, RECREATIONAL SPACE, BE SURE YOU DEFINE WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE AS WE'VE SEEN WITH OLDER PUDS, SOMETIMES THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE UNCLEAR.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THAT, I WOULD JUST SAY BE CLEAR ON WHAT, WHAT YOU DEFINE UNDER THOSE SPACES.
LET, LET ME, CAN I EXPLAIN THE STORM WATER, KIND OF THE IDEA BEHIND THE STORM WATER JUST A LITTLE BIT? SURE.
THE, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA THAT'S UP ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE THERE WOULD BE A WET POND.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS BY 10%.
SO THE AMOUNT OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WE'RE GONNA NEED IS PROBABLY GONNA BE PRETTY SMALL GIVEN IT'S A REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S MORE INTENDED TO BE A RECREATION FEATURE.
GOING BACK TO THE GREEN SPACE AND THE PUD THING AS WE'VE COME ACROSS IN SOME OF THE OTHER PUDS, THAT'D BE MORE OF A RECREATION AREA AS OPPOSED TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
AND IF THIS WAS SITE PLAN, I WOULD'VE ASKED ABOUT YEAH, THE FACT THAT YOU ONE POND FOR THIS SIZE, ALTHOUGH I KNEW YOU'D, YOU'D HAVE REDEVELOPMENT AS PART OF IT.
I I WAS WONDERING IF YOU THOUGHT YOU'D MAKE IT WITH JUST A SINGLE POND, BUT KNOWING ABOUT A 10% INCREASE IMPERVIOUS, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY SMALL FOR THIS SIZE SITE.
AND THEN WE GET A REDUCTION IN THE RUNOFF REDUCTION AND ALL THAT STUFF.
DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE THE FOUNTAIN, FOUNTAIN
JUST KEEP THE WATER MOVING SO IT DOESN'T TURN GREEN.
WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE IT DEEP, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T GET WEEDS, BUT IT'LL BE AN APPROPRIATE TYPE FOUNTAIN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS A BIT MORE OF A FEATURE AS WELL AS THE STORMWATER POND.
SO IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
UM, BUT I'VE SEEN PEOPLE THROW FOUNTAINS INTO STORMWATER PONDS AND YOU LOSE A LOT OF YOUR SETTLEMENTS.
YOU, YOU LOSE SOME OF THAT SORT OF TREATMENT THAT PONDS CAN GET INTO.
OR GRADE WISE, THAT POND'S PROBABLY IN THE, ONE OF THE WORST SPOTS ON THE SITE BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE HIGHER SPOTS.
SO IF WE HAVE TO PROVIDE ATTENTION, MOST LIKELY IT'D BE UNDER THE PARKING LOT IN CHAMBERS.
SO THAT'S MORE, ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT A WATER FEATURE.
UM, I, I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT WE'RE WE'RE MAINTAINING THERE'S PRETTY HEAVY VEGETATION BETWEEN, UH, THE SITE AND THE, AND THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH THERE THAT WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN.
SO IT'S NOT CUTTING INTO THAT, UH, STREAM CORRIDOR OR WITH THE TREES THAT ARE THERE, IN FACT, NOT AT ALL.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT LEVEL OF GREEN SPACE WILL BE MAINTAINED.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO BE PARTICULAR ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SETBACKS SO THAT THE BOARD ISN'T CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EATING INTO, YOU KNOW, AREAS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GLADLY WORK THROUGH THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, THOSE ISSUES WITH THE BOARD.
AND ALONG THAT TREE LINE, WE HAVE A, WE DID PROVIDE A WALKING PATH FROM ROUTE FIVE IN THE VICINITY OF THAT BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER ROUTE FIVE FROM THERE DOWN TO THE WOODLAWN BEACH PROPERTY.
UH, IN TERMS OF OTHER REVIEWS AND OTHER BOARDS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEFORE YOU GUYS, RIGHT NOW THE TOWN BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY.
UM, WE SUBMITTED A COORDINATED REVIEW ON JULY 11TH, UM, COORDINATED WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AGENCIES COORDINATING WITH CHIPO STATE PARKS, OUR USUALS, LIKE D-C-D-O-T.
UM, AND THIS PROJECT, 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE WRA, WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO BE A COASTAL CONSISTENCY REVIEW.
UM, AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION OVER WHAT BOARD DOES THAT.
THE LWRP COMMITTEE WILL BE THE COMMITTEE THAT LOOKS AT, UM, ISSUING COASTAL CONSISTENCY DETERMINATION, NOT THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THERE WAS A RESOLUTION IN 2023 THAT, UM, CHANGE IT OVER THE SHORELINE COMMITTEE TO THE LWRP COMMITTEE.
SO FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, THE LWP COMMITTEE MAKING THE CLOSE CONSISTENCY DETERMINATION BETWEEN THE TOWN BOARD.
SO, SO AREN'T THEY SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD ISSUES? THE DETERMINATION? YES.
I JUST, I JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR.
'CAUSE I THINK AT ONE POINT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE ISSUING A DECISION AND THEY WERE AN ADVISORY BOARD, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THE TOWN BOARD.
THE, THE TOWN BOARD WOULD MAKE THE DECISION WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT.
UM, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE OVERLAY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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THE ONE INCONSISTENCY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT I THINK IS, UM, BOTH THOSE IDEAS ARE THERE TO ATTRACT VISITORS TO HAMBURG MM-HMMAND WITH THE DENSITY OF THE TOWNHOUSES, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING THAT WITH THIS PLAN.
WELL, I THINK CERTAINLY WITH THE USAGE IN THE TOWER, THAT'S, THE TOWER IS INTENDED TO DO THAT.
SO A COMBINATION OF HOTEL COMMERCIAL RESTAURANTS, THAT'S, THAT'S THE IDEA TO BRING FOLKS INTO THAT, THAT COMPONENT OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT.
SO REALLY CONVERTING IT FROM ALL OFFICE TO LIMITED OFFICE, AND PRIMARILY A COMBINATION OF HOTEL AND RESTAURANT.
SO WE THINK IT'S GONNA DO AN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN, WHEN MY CLIENT'S BEEN LOOKING AT THIS, HE'S, HE'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROXIMITY TO THE STADIUM IDEA OF HAVING LIKE A SPORT CLUB, UH, INSIDE THE, INSIDE THE TOWER.
THERE'S A GREAT AUDITORIUM THAT WOULD MAKE AN AMAZING SPORTS BAR.
UH, AND THEN HAVING A RESTAURANT WITH THE VIEWS LIKE THIS.
AND IN BUFFALO, STRANGELY ENOUGH, WE HAVE
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A COUPLE HERE IN THE TOWN THAT ARE LOW, YOU KNOW, LOW TWO, THREE STORY ROOFTOP TYPE ARRANGEMENTS, BUT NOTHING THAT GIVES YOU THAT KIND OF VISTA ACTUALLY ANYWHERE IN BUFFALO.
AND SO HAVING A ROOFTOP RESTAURANT, WHETHER IT'S ON THE ROOFTOP OR ON THE TOP FLOOR, EITHER ONE OF THEM IS GONNA PROVIDE A REALLY UNIQUE EXPERIENCE.
SO YOU'RE EITHER GONNA HAVE SOMETHING ON THE TOP FLOOR OR ADD SOMETHING.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S HOW IT WOULD HAVE A WATERFRONT ENHANCED USE.
SO WE THINK IT'S, UH, REALLY A VERY ATTRACTIVE SITE AND, AND MY CLIENTS ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
WELL, CURRENTLY, IF YOU'RE A VISITOR, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GO TO THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE RPO KILLER NUS BOMBER OR SOMEBODY.
SO I THINK WITH THE ADDED RESTAURANTS IN THE ENTERTAINMENT SPACE THERE, I THINK IT'LL DEFINITELY ENHANCE THE WATERFRONT PLUS GET PEOPLE GOING TO WOODLAWN BEACH.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S GONE THERE.
THERE'S REALLY LIMITED IF YOU WANT FOOD OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY LIMITED AVAILABILITY THERE.
YOU CAN GO TO THE, YOU CAN GO FROM THERE.
COULD IS THE WALKWAY, IS THERE A WALKWAY YOU SAID YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE WALKWAY FROM ROUTE FIVE.
BUT IS THIS A WHERE ALONG? IT'S, OH, I'M HERE.
IT'S SO, AND IT'S NEXT RUSH CREEK? YEAH, RUSH CREEK.
IT'LL BE ON OUR SIDE OF THE TREE LINE.
AND THAT'LL GO ALL THE WAY TO LONG BEACH? CORRECT? TO THE, TO THE ACCESS ROAD THAT'S OWNED BY OH, OKAY.
SO ON THAT, ON THAT IMAGE THERE, TO THE FAR RIGHT SIDE IS WHERE THE, WHERE THE ACCESS DRIVE IS.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THE TURN OFF THE CIRCLE.
SO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON THE WEST SIDE IS ACTUALLY ON THE WOODLAWN BEACH PROPERTY.
WE SHOW IT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF OUR STUDY.
UM, SO I HAD THE, UM, THE ADVANTAGE OF SEEING THIS PLAN WHEN IT CAME TO CODE REVIEW AND UM, THIS HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT SINCE I I'VE SEEN IT, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
YOU ADDED WE WERE, WE STRUCK IT DOWN ACTUALLY.
SO WE, WE REDUCED, WE TOOK UNITS OUT.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS FOUR BUILDINGS UP IN THE FOUR BUILDINGS IN THE SOUTH.
THERE ARE FOUR BUILDINGS HERE.
AND AND HOW MANY OF, HOW MANY UNITS IN THE BUILDING ITSELF? EIGHT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS UNDER, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOUR EIGHT.
THERE'S, THERE'S EIGHT TWO STORY TOWN HOMES IN EACH BUILDING.
I, I THINK THAT DENSITY IS TOO HIGH.
UM, AND THE, THESE, THESE TWO HERE THAT ARE ACROSS FROM THE HOTEL, THE TWO I, I'M GONNA SAY THIS FOR THE RECORD, ARE THEY UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY TYPING UP THE MINUTES, THE TWO BUILDINGS, UM, THAT ARE WEST OF THE TOWER? WEST OF THE TOWER, YEAH.
THE PARKING OR TO GET TO THEM WHEN YOU COME IN, YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PARKING LOT TO GET TO THESE TWO BUILDINGS.
UM, THAT'S WHY WHEN I LOOKED AT IT BEFORE, I DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE HERE AND I COULDN'T FIND THE NOTES FROM BEFORE.
BUT I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THESE TWO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I'M JUST, YOU, YOU COULD GO A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS WHEN, WHEN YOU COME IN UPPER ROUTE FIVE, YOU COULD CONTINUE DOWN TO THE PARK ROAD AND COME IN THE, OUR NORTH DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
OR YOU COULD GO AROUND THE CIRCLE AND CHOOSE TO GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
YOU COULD GO AROUND THROUGH ALL THE BUILDINGS AND THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, GOING AROUND ALL THE BUILDING, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A DIRECT ROUTE TO THOSE TWO BUILDINGS.
THEY'RE MOST LIKELY GONNA BE FOUR SALE UNITS.
THEY'RE GONNA BE RESIDENTS THAT ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.
'CAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY LIVED THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT
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IT'S EASY TO GET, I CAN'T POINT FROM HERE, BUT THEY'RE COMING OFF OF, YOU CAN GO UP THERE, JOSH WON'T TRIP YOU OR ANYTHING.I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE WIRE.
SO IF YOU COME IN, IF YOU COME IN OFF THE ROUTE FIVE, YOU CAN COME TO THIS DRIVEWAY, COME HERE AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE UNITS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH A PARKING LOT.
WHERE YOU JUST PUT, WHERE YOU CAME DOWN HERE.
THAT'S GATEWAY BOULEVARD THAT GOES CORRECT.
HERE ALONG SIDE THE SITE IS THE EXISTING GATEWAY BOULEVARD, RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO.
THIS AND THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT PROPERTY HAS ACTUALLY TWO DRIVEWAYS OFF OF THIS ACCESS ROAD.
WE'RE GONNA ELIMINATE THE ONE HERE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ENHANCE THE ONE ON THE NORTH END.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T GET TO THOSE UNITS.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS DENSITY, YOU REMEMBER THIS IS A 25 ACRES SITE.
YOU KNOW THIS, THIS ISN'T FIVE ACRES, THIS ISN'T 10 ACRES IS 25 ACRES.
OUR DEN, OUR DENSITY IS LESS THAN SEVEN UNITS PER ACRE.
EVEN INCLUDING THE UNITS, THE NEW UNITS IN THE, IN THE HOTEL TOWER.
SO THEN AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, 'CAUSE DAN'S READY TO BUY THIS AND I'M JUST COMING TO SEE HIM AT CHRISTMAS.
AND IF I COME TO SEE 'EM AND BRING MY FRIENDS, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
CHRIS, CHRIS IS AHEAD OF THAT ONE.
SO EACH UNIT IS TWO GARAGE SPACES, TWO SPACES IN FRONT OF EACH GARAGE.
AND IT HAS THESE OTHER VISITOR SPACES.
SO, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS BUILDING? THAT BUILDING? YEAH.
IT'S GOT THIS ONE, IT'S GOT THOSE FOUR PLUS, SAME THING.
WELL THE TWO'S GONNA BE FOR THE RESIDENT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY GUESTS, YOU CAN'T PARK.
SO YOU EFFECTIVELY EVERY UNIT HAS FOUR SPACES.
TWO WITHIN THE GARAGE AND THEN TWO OUT OUTSIDE THE GARAGE DOOR, BASICALLY.
WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY IT THAT WAY.
THE RESIDENT COULD PARK IN THE GARAGE AND IF THEY WANT A VISITOR, THEY COULD PARK IN FRONT OR THEY COULD USE THESE SPACES.
THIS IS, THESE ARE ALL GARAGE DOORS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO CARS IN THAT GARAGE.
TWO IN THAT ONE AND TWO IN THAT ONE.
AND THEN TWO SPACES IN FRONT OF YOU, JUST SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD'VE AT YOUR HOUSE.
AND WE DIDN'T COUNT THOSE AS, WE DIDN'T COUNT THOSE AS SPACES.
WE JUST TREATED THE TWO SPACES INSIDE THE, THE GARAGE SPACES.
BUT THERE'S EFFECTIVELY FOUR PER UNIT.
THE FIRST IS, IS THE LETTER THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER.
YOU HAVE THE TABLES THAT OUTLINE THE REQUIREMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A VERSION WHERE YOU ADD A FOURTH COLUMN FOR WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL IS SO THAT IT'S MORE EASY TO COMPARE ROW BY ROW.
IT'S GOT THE REQUIREMENTS AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING.
BECAUSE I'M QUITE FRANKLY HAVING A VERY HARD TIME FOLLOWING WHICH ONE OF THESE REQUIREMENTS YOU'RE FOLLOWING OR NOT.
AND PUTTING THE SUMMARY IN EACH OF THOSE TABLES WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER.
WE CAN PUT IT ON SITE DATA BOX.
WE CAN SITE DATA BOX ON THERE, SHOWS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
BUT I JUST WANNA SEE WHERE IT HITS RELATIVE TO THE REPORT.
I CAN CREATE A CHART FOR YOU GUYS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
I'LL, I'LL, YOU KNOW, EMAIL IT OVER AND, AND JUST THE CHART.
IT'LL JUST BE YEAH, JUST A, A TABLE THAT'S, YEAH.
TAKE ALL THOSE TABLES YOU ALREADY HAVE AND THEN DON'T COUNT FOR WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL IS.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THE FIRST ASK.
'CAUSE IT'LL HELP ALL OF US UNDERSTAND AND KEEP, AND I'LL TRY TO NARROW IT DOWN.
SO I'LL TRY TO NARROW IT DOWN TO JUST THOSE AREAS WHERE I WANNA SEE ALL OF THEM.
'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE 30, BUT YEAH.
ALRIGHT, I'LL SHOW Y ALL BECAUSE A LOT OF 'EM, WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO DEVIATE FROM THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
SO THEN THE SECOND PIECE I'M HAVING TROUBLE FULLY FOLLOWING IS WHERE ARE THE ZERO? AND I DON'T KNOW, WELL LOOK, POINT FOR ME IS THAT ASSUMING THAT YOU SPLIT EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS IN PLOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR, AND MAYBE YOU COULD MAKE MORE CLEAR WHETHER OR NOT FOR THE PERIMETER OF THE BROADER SITE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE HITTING ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE THESE ARE THOSE ARE THOSE, SO THOSE ARE THESE, BECAUSE WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING INTERIOR AND WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE, IS THAT THE OVERALL SITE THAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATE SETBACKS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT? THAT'S WE 101 HERE.
IS THAT, IS THIS HUNDRED PAGE YES.
THAT 75 EVERY, EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE IN EXCESS OF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THE CHART.
AND I THINK MAKING SURE THAT THAT THAT'S CLEAR IS REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, YEAH, WE COULD SHOW THAT ON A PLAN.
I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THIS REDEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE COMING OUT OF THIS IS ON A LOT OF PROJECTS, AND CHRIS HAS BEEN HERE TO HEAR SOME OF IT, IS THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST, PARTICULARLY FROM THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD ABOUT RUSH CREEK AND A LOT OF THOSE TRIBUTARIES COMING INTO THE LAKE.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO, TO LANDSCAPING, RIPERION BUFFER ENHANCEMENT, ANYTHING TO INCREASE THAT AREA ALONG RUSH CREEK MM-HMM.
BECAUSE IT'S OUTLAYING RIGHT INTO WOOD LONG BEACH AND INTO THE LAKE RIGHT THERE.
MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S A GREAT AND HUGE FEATURE.
UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ENHANCING THAT FOR ITS NATURAL CHARACTER.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO RESTORE AND ENHANCE THAT NATURAL PORTION OF THE SITE?
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OKAY.WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I MEAN, I KNOW THE BUILDING IS OVER 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LANE.
SO THE TOWER'S 200 FEET OFF THAT PROPERTY LANE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW WIDE THE RUSH CREEK NATURAL KIND OF CORRIDORS TODAY, BUT WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT.
WE CAN EXPAND IT TO
AND IF THERE'S WAYS TO REMOVE PARKING THAT IS COMING CLOSE TO THAT CREEK AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE SITE SO THAT WE HAVE A BROADER AND WIDER NATURAL AREA, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IN ANY INCREASE THERE.
YEAH, IT'S A BALANCING ACT, RIGHT? IF, IF IF WE REMOVE PARKING THERE, PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE'RE GONNA LOSE SOME MATURE TREES THAT ARE SORT OF SCATTERED AROUND THE SITE AND GET SOME OF ITS CHARACTER.
SO WE, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS STAY WITHIN, IN PARTICULAR THE PAVED FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AND THE SITE NOW AND NOT UNDERSTOOD.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE.
I MEAN IT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
LEONA, HOPEFULLY YOU SHOULD PROVIDE COMMENTS IN ON THAT IN WRITING TO THE TOWN BOARD OVERALL, I THINK THAT THIS, UM, CONCEPT, 'CAUSE REALLY THAT'S WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT RIGHT.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF A ROOFTOP RESTAURANT.
I THINK THE AREA COULD UTILIZE THAT.
WHEN YOU FIRST PRESENTED IT TO THE, UM, CODE REVIEW, YOU TALKED ABOUT ROOFTOP PATIOS ON THE RESIDENTS MM-HMM
BUT I, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT.
AND I LIKE THE PICTURE WHERE YOU HAD THE PATIOS.
THAT PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN PATIOS, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S EIGHT UNITS AND IT'S EIGHT DIFFERENT FAMILIES LIVING ON TOP.
I I DID LIKE THAT PICTURE OF THE, UM, SHOWING, REFLECTING THE PATIOS.
ONE MORE, ONE MORE BACK, JOHN.
I, I I THINK THAT, THAT I I LIKE THAT.
AND JEN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE SITUATED IN THE BUILDING EACH UNIT? BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY EACH, LIKE, YOU CAN GO BACK AND SHOW THAT'S RIGHT.
THIS IS ONE UNIT AND THIS IS A SEPARATE UNIT.
SO EACH UNIT IS TWO STORIES IN, ITS IN ITSELF.
AND THEN YOU HAVE FOUR, TWO STORY UNITS ON THIS FLOOR.
SO WHAT ABOUT STORAGE? WE, WE HAVE ROOMS IN THE, IN THE GARAGE.
YOU'LL SEE WE, WE WILL, WE'LL SUBMIT.
IT'S A PRETTY BIG GARAGE, OUR EIGHT CARS AND YES.
BUT IT IS AS BIG AS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
WE, WE WILL, WE'LL SUBMIT CONCEPTUAL FLOOR PLANS AND YOU CAN SEE IN THERE WHERE WE HAVE STORAGE AREAS IN THE GARAGE.
LET'S THE APPROXIMATE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH UNIT.
UM, JOE, DO YOU KNOW, 2,400? 22.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? THE ROBUST LANDSCAPING PLAN WHEN YOU GET PAST THE CONCEPT? WE LIKE, WE LIKE ROBUST LANDSCAPING, INTENSIVE, WHATEVER.
I DON'T YOU GUYS THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS GOT IT.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THAT PART.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, I, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT LIKE THE CONCERN ABOUT, JUST FOR AWARENESS TO THINK ABOUT IS THIS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GROWTH OR WOOD ON, I WOULD SAY YOU, THERE'S NOT BEEN A LOT, A LOT OF RESIDENTS AND BEEN ON LATELY.
SO WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR CAPACITY TO HANDLE SUCH? YEAH.
WELL THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL OVER THE YEARS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, ROUTE FIVE IS PRETTY OVERSIZED AT THIS POINT, BUT YEAH.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT.
AND CERTAINLY WELCOME ANY COMMENTS I MIGHT HAVE HERE, JOSH, WE WILL REACH OUT.
ANYONE ELSE? DO WE AS A BOARD WANT TO, ULTIMATELY, SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD A PUBLIC INPUT SESSION TO HELP FEED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
DO WE WANNA CONSIDER DOING THAT HERE? WE'VE DONE THAT FOR SOME OF THE OTHER LARGER DEVELOPMENTS IN CASE THERE'S FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC THAT COMES IN THAT'S SEPARATE FROM WHATEVER PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE TOWN BOARD MAY HAVE FOR THEIR REZONING.
BUT WE HAVE IN THE PAST THAT A PUBLIC INPUT SESSION AND THIS IS A PRETTY BIG DEVELOPMENT.
I I, I'M CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
I JUST WANNA KNOW ON WHICH TIMING WOULD THAT BE? WOULD WE HAVE THEM COME BACK WITH THEIR WE, YEAH, WE ADDED THEM TO THE AUGUST 7TH MEETING.
SO WE WOULD JUST RENAME IT PUBLIC.
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TO GET THE ADVERTISE.I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET YOU THAT TABLE NEXT WEEK.
THE STUFF THAT YOU WANT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC MM-HMM
SO IF WE POST THIS FOR THE SEVENTH AND IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, YOU WOULD HAVE IT TO US NEXT.
YOU NEED IT BEFORE THAT, IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
YOU NEED IT BEFORE THE END OF, END OF NEXT WEEK, BEFORE FRIDAY, RIGHT? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE POST IT THAT IT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC INFORMATION, UH, THEN IT'LL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE WE WANT YOU GUYS WANT US TO PROVIDE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING? THE CHART YOU DON'T HAVE, OTHER THAN THE CHART? UH, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE RUSH CREEK.
YEAH, I, I'D LIKE TO SORT OF, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT THERE? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF IT? I THINK IT UNDERSTANDING THE TRAFFIC FLOWS FOR NON-RESIDENTS, LIKE IF YOU ARE GONNA HAVE A HOTEL IN A RESTAURANT AND MAYBE SOME SORT OF A, A MOCKUP OR A DIAGRAM SHOWING HERE'S HOW YOU DIRECT RESIDENTIAL, BUT RESIDE NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOWS ON THIS LOT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN THE HOTEL.
YOU KNOW, HANGING OUT IN THERE AND JUST UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A HOTEL OVER THERE.
THIS TYPE OF A USE WITH THESE IS NOT CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE, BUT HOW THAT WOULD GET MANAGED ON A SITE LIKE THIS.
WE CAN, WE CAN DO AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THAT.
AND THE GOOD THING IS IT'S, IT'S EFFECTIVELY SET UP THAT WAY NOW, RIGHT.
WE, WE PUT THE, WE PUT THE PARKING IN IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, RESPECTIVE SPOT FOR A REASON KIND OF DEPENDING ON WHAT THE USER'S GONNA BE.
YOU KNOW, WHOEVER'S PARKING IN THE ONE PARKING SPOT IS EXPECTED FOR THE HOTEL.
SO WE CAN COME UP WITH A, LIKE A CIRCULATION DIAGRAM.
THERE'S LIKE A UNLOADING LOADING ZONE FOR WHEREVER THE HOTEL IS.
AND THAT'S SORT OF A YEAH, THAT'S CIRCLE UP FRONT WORKS STRAIGHT FOR THAT.
SO THE BUILDING'S SET UP NOW THAT RIGHT.
AND THE EXISTING BUILDING HAS A PRETTY GOOD SERVICE AREA IN THE BACK THAT ACTUALLY ACCESSES THE BASEMENT.
YOU CAN DRIVE INTO THE BASEMENT, THERE'S PARKING SPACES IN THERE AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THE DUMPSTER AND ALL THE OTHER FACILITIES WOULD BE AND MAKING SURE THAT THE ROADS ARE WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS TO, TO GET THROUGH 26 FEET.
UM, OKAY, WELL I, WE DON'T DO A VOTE AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE GONNA SEE YOU BACK ON THE SEVENTH.
I THINK YOU USED YOUR HEAD, I NOT NOW THERE'S A WHOLE SEPARATE COURSE LOAD.
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT I LOVE MY OH THAT'S RIGHT.
WE HAVE TO GET HER COURT NUMBER BACK AND THEN WE'LL BE CALLING OUR NEXT CASE.
UM, DO WE KNOW WHERE SHE WENT?
SO OUR NEXT CASE IS OUR, UM, DI DISCUSSING THE, UM, DRAFT ENVIRONMENT IMPACT STUDY REGARDING THE PARKER ROAD SOUTH OF BIGTREE, UM, SUBDIVISION.
AND SO WITH THE APPLICANT AND HIS ATTORNEY LIKE TO GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
DAVE MANKO IS ALSO WITH US THIS EVENING AS WELL AS CHRIS WOODS, PROJECT ENGINEER FROM CARINA WOOD DESIGN.
AS YOU'LL RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS TO YOU LAST WEEK.
I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH IT VERY, VERY BRIEFLY AND I BELIEVE WE'VE GOTTEN SOME PRELIMINARY COMMENTS FROM JOSH RELATIVE TO THE DIS THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN JUNE, INCLUDING THE CHECKLIST.
I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS COMING, SO I'LL LEAVE THAT TILL I WALK THROUGH THE CON THE PRESENTATION VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
AND THE REASON I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, AGAIN, THERE'S A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T HERE LAST TIME AND IT HAS BEEN SOME TIME SINCE YOU ACTUALLY FORMALLY LOOKED AT THIS.
SO IT SITE ITSELF IS LOCATED AT 48 25 BIG TREE ROAD, 41 ACRES INSIDE.
IT'S GOT TWO ZONINGS, R ONE AND C.
YOU WANNA GO ON THE HALL AND HAVE YOUR MEETING? WE'RE TRYING TO DO, SO I, I'M ASKING WHAT THE NUMBER IS ON BIG THREE ROLL.
YOU CAN SIT IN THAT FRONT ROLL IF YOU WANT.
YOU CAN WALK UP AND LOOK AT IT.
YOU WANT, IT'S ZONED R ONE AND C TWO.
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UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.YOU ISSUED A POSITIVE DECLARATION ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2021.
NEXT SLIDE THAT SHOWS A ZONING, IT'S IMPORTANT NOTE THAT PART THAT ZONED C3 ALONG PARKER ROAD.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY DEVELOPMENT THERE.
WE'RE PROPOSING A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION ON THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT SITE THAT'S PROPERLY ZONED R ONE AND THAT IS A PERMITTED USE PER THE ZONING CODE.
SO WE HAVE TWO PLANS IN FRONT OF YOU AND THIS IS ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED RELATIVE TO THE DRAFT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT IS THAT THIS IS THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE PLAN THAT I THINK THE TOWN WANTS US TO CONSIDER AS THE ACTUAL PLAN AND CONSIDER THE CLUSTERING PLAN, WHICH WILL SHOW IN A SECOND AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
IT'S REALLY JUST LABELING, BUT I GUESS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS SITE.
THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT, THIS SHOWS 67 LOTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ALL COMPLY WITH THE MINIMUM LOT AREA OF 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE HAVE SEVEN LOTS ALONG PARKER ROAD THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN ORANGE AND TWO LOTS THAT ARE ONLY FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PURPOSES.
UP IN EACH OF THE CORNERS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE NEXT SLIDE.
DURING THAT TIME THAT YOU ISSUED THE POSITIVE DECLARATION, AFTER FORMING A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WALKED THROUGH VERY EXTENSIVELY, PARTS TWO AND PARTS THREE OF THE AF, ULTIMATELY THIS BOARD DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL CATEGORIES OF POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, LAND SURFACE WATER, AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES, HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGICAL RESOURCES, TRANSPORTATION ENERGY AND CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY PLANS.
ALL OF WHICH WE BELIEVE WE'VE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM WITHIN THE DIS THAT WAS SUBMITTED LAST MONTH.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE PREFERRED PLAN, BUT I THINK YOU WANT TO CALL IT THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN, WHICH IS A CLUSTERED LAYOUT.
THE CLUSTERED LAYOUT INSTEAD OF 67 LOTS CONSIST OF 59 LOTS.
UM, IMPORTANTLY THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY LOTS WHATSOEVER ALONG PARKER ROAD.
SO THAT WILL BE GREEN SPACE, WHICH WE THINK IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT SUBURBAN YET SOMEWHAT RURAL CHARACTER THAT AREA.
IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH WHAT DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH NEARBY RESIDENTS WHO'VE CLEARLY EXPRESSED A PREFERENCE FOR THAT COMPARED TO THE AS OF RIGHT PLAN.
UH, THERE'S A TON OF BENEFITS THAT WILL RESULT FROM THIS, WHICH I HIGHLIGHT ON THE NEXT SLIDE AND REALLY GO TO THE POINT OF WHY THERE IS CLUSTERING NUMBER ONE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
JOSH, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND THEN ALSO I WANT TO POINT OUT ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE CLUSTERED LAYOUT IS IT DOES ALLOW US TO IMPLEMENT THAT RIPARIAN BUFFER PLAN.
UM, A CATEGORY OR A TOPIC THAT MS. MCCORMICK MENTIONED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUS PROJECT HERE.
THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.
WE RETAIN THE SERVICES THAT EARTH DIMENSIONS AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY DESIGNED THAT RIPARIAN BUFFER FOR THAT TRIBUTARY OF RUSH CREEK THAT WOULD NOT ONLY BISECT THIS SITE, THE MANCO SUBDIVISION SITE, BUT THE NEXT PROJECT IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH IS THE WETZEL MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE, BE ENHANCING THAT RELATIVELY LONG SEGMENT OF RUSH CREEK TRIBUTARY ALONG THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR, UM, WITH A 25 FOOT PROTECTED AREA AND VERY EXTENSIVE PLANTINGS.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS POINT BY POINT, BUT THE BENEFITS OF THE CLUSTERED LAYOUT INCLUDE LESS DENSITY, 15.3 ACRES OF PERMANENT OPEN SPACE OUT OF 40 ACRES, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD.
UM, A RECREATIONAL TRAIL, 3,800 LINEAR FEET, LESS INFRASTRUCTURE BY QUITE A BIT, WHICH IS GOOD FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE LOT SIZES.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP ORIGINALLY WAS, OKAY, IF YOU'RE DOING CLUSTERING, WHAT ASSURANCE DO WE HAVE THAT THE LOTS WILL REMAIN ADEQUATE SIZE TO ACCOMMODATE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT NOT ONLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, DECKS, PATIOS, GARAGES AND SWIMMING POOLS.
SO WE DID PREPARE SOME PLANS WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWING THAT BECAUSE OF THE DIMENSIONS OF THESE CLUSTERED LOTS, WHICH ARE RELATIVELY BIG STILL, THEY'RE STILL 10,500 SQUARE FEET, MEANING IN MOST MUNICIPALITIES AND R ONE, R TWO AND R THREE, THESE WOULD ACTUALLY BE BIGGER THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED.
WE CAN EASILY ACCOMMODATE UM, RELATIVELY LARGE HOMES OR ADEQUATELY SIZED HOMES, DECKS AND PATIOS, WHICH YOU SEE THERE, SHEDS AND POOLS WITHOUT ENCROACHING ON ANY STEP-BACK WHATSOEVER.
BY WAY OF COMPARISON, THERE ARE OTHER CLUSTERED PROJECTS IN THE TOWN WHERE THE LOT SIZE GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO WE'RE AT MINIMUM DOUBLE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, MEANING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE 59 LOTS.
ONE OF THE NEW DOCUMENTS THAT WE DID OBTAIN SUBSEQUENT TO YOUR ISSUANCE OF A POSITIVE DECLARATION WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT REPORT OCCURRED BY LCS.
WE DID THAT FOR ONE PARTICULAR REASON.
HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT, WHILE IT GOES BACK DECADES WAS FOR AGRICULTURAL USE.
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THERE WAS NOT ANY CONTAMINATION THAT WOULD TRIGGER ENTRY INTO THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM WITH THE DEC.AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT COMPREHENSIVE PHASE ONE INDICATED THAT THE SITE IS CLEAN.
IF OF COURSE THERE'S ANY CONTAMINATION ENCOUNTERED, WE'RE AWARE OF THE DEC REQUIREMENTS, WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
BUT WE DO HAVE A PHASE ONE REPORT THAT SUGGESTS THERE'S NO CONTAMINATION ON THE SITE.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP ORIGINALLY WAS IMPACT ON AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE LAST TIME THIS WAS ACTIVELY USED FOR AGRICULTURAL USE WAS MORE THAN THREE DECADES AGO.
THAT WAS VERIFIED BY AN A LETTER FROM THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNER'S ATTORNEY.
AND WE ARE CLEARLY NOT IN AN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
IN TERMS OF THE REVIEW PROCESS, WE'VE MADE IT QUITE FAR, BUT WE STILL HAVE A LOT.
WE STILL HAVE SOME STEPS TO GO.
WE'RE ALL THE WAY INTO THE STEP WHERE WE'VE SUBMITTED THE DIS AS I INDICATED.
WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED SOME PRELIMINARY COMMENTS.
WE KNOW WE WILL HAVE TO UPDATE THAT DIS ONCE WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE UPDATED DIS THAT'LL TRIGGER AND THE SECOND REVIEW, NOT 45 DAYS, BUT A 30 DAY REVIEW PERIOD.
ULTIMATELY AFTER YOU'VE ACCEPTED THE DIS AS COMPLETE, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU AGREE WITH IT, BUT YOU'VE DETERMINED IT TO BE COMPLETE.
YOU'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON BOTH THE DIS AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT WILL BE PREPARED.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU AS THE LEAD AGENCY WILL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A FINDING STATEMENT, WHICH IS THE LAST STEP IN THE SEEKER REVIEW AND A DECISION ON THE PETTING REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL.
SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, AGAIN I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT OUR PREFERENCE IS FOR THE CLUSTERING.
WE BELIEVE THERE'S A CONSENSUS WITH THE NEARBY PROMPTERS THAT ALSO EXPRESS A PREFERENCE FOR THE CLUSTERING.
AND ONE THING I MIGHT SUGGEST IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT BASED ON THE DISCUSSION CONNECTION WITH THE PREVIOUS PROJECT AND GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS, IS MAYBE AS SOON AS NEXT MEETING IT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING ON THIS ONE AS WELL SOLICIT INPUT AS WE GO FORWARD AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS, UM, THAT WE ALL NEED TO CONSIDER.
OTHER THAN THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, EITHER MYSELF, DAVE, OR OR CHRIS WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS 'EM PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, YEAH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS.
UM, FIRST WE WOULD AGREE THAT IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HEARD ANY INPUT ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO WE WOULD CONCUR WITH AUDIT SOME SORT OF INFORMATIONAL AS EXTENS COMMENT PERIOD, WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT.
UM, WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR ALL THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS IS TWO DOCUMENTS.
ONE THAT'S A REVIEW FOR COMPLETENESS, UM, AND A GRAPH LIST OF DEFICIENCY BASED OFF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM SOME OF THE COMPLAINING BOARD MEMBERS AND FROM OUR OWN PENDING DEPARTMENT REVIEW.
IN THE REVIEW FOR, FOR COMPLETENESS DOCUMENT, WHICH YOU NOTICE, NOTICE IS WE LITERALLY TOOK THE FINAL SCOPING DOC, THE
UM, WE WANTED TO STRESS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE DEFICIENCIES, THAT IT'S NOT CONTENT BASED, THAT IT IS BASED OFF OF THE FINAL SPOKEN DOT.
DID THEY PROVIDE THE INFORMATION WHETHER OR NOT YOU GUYS AGREE WITH IT, DID THEY PROVIDE THE INFORMATION FROM THE FINAL SPOKEN DOT AND THE DEIS? UM, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS WHERE THEY'RE LEANING MORE TOWARDS CONTENT BASED.
THAT'S THE DEIS, THE APPLICANT'S POSITION.
UM, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM WAS WHAT WAS IN THE FINAL SCOPE DOC ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT IN THE DEIS.
UM, SO YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE REVIEW FOR COMPLETENESS DOC, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE WE THINK THINGS WERE NOT PROVIDED.
UM, WHAT WE'RE USING TONIGHT FOR IS IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T PROVIDED TO US TO UM, LIST TONIGHT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THAT LIST OF DEFICIENCIES THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A RESOLUTION, UM, IF YOU GUYS SEE FIT, UM, THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY GIVE THEM BACK THE DI FOR TO ADDRESS THOSE DEFICIENCIES.
UM, AND THEN ONCE THEY GIVE IT BACK, YOU GUYS ACCEPTED, LIKE SEAN SAID, WE'LL START OF THE COMMENT PERIOD AND UH, THE REST OF THE SENIOR REVIEW.
UM, ENGINEERING, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO ANY? NO, SIR.
BOARD MEMBERS, I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED AND EVERYTHING IN HERE, INSTEAD OF ANSWERING THE QUESTION, WE'RE SAYING A CLUSTER AND, AND I MEAN WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? IT WAS A REGULAR NORMAL DEVELOPMENT.
NOW ALL THE ANSWERS OR THE ALL MITIGATING FORCES ARE DUAL CLUSTER.
WELL, ME, IF IT'S A CLUSTER, I BELIEVE YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO A WHOLE NEW, UH, SITE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, IT'S A POSITIVE OBJECTIVE.
SO IF WE IDENTIFY ISSUES, THEY CAN MITIGATE THE ISSUES BY CHANGING THE SITE PLAN.
THEY'RE SAYING THE CLUSTER MITIGATES THE THINGS WE SET IN THE
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POSITIVE DECK, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PRESENT AN ALTERNATIVE AT THIS STAGE.SO TO BUILD ON WHAT DENNIS JUST SAID, I THINK STRUCTURALLY I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT ARE SORT OF SIMILAR TO DENNIS, BUT GET AT WHAT BILL'S SAYING IS THAT I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF WALKING THROUGH WHAT YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS AS OF RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WAYS TO MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE IMPACTS.
AND I THINK MAYBE THIS GETS AT WHAT DENNIS WAS SAYING IS I I THINK THAT THIS EIS SHOULD BE STRUCTURED OR HERE'S THE AS OF RIGHT, RIGHT? AND THEN HERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE.
AND I, I REALIZE THAT'S NOT THE STRUCTURE FOR THE WAY THESE STATE SEEKER DOCUMENTS IS IN SOME WAYS HARDER IN SOME WAYS THAN LIKE THE FEDERAL PROCESS.
BUT GOING THROUGH WHAT THE PROJECT IS AND THEN IDENTIFYING IN DETAIL WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS AND MAYBE GOING THROUGH IN THAT ALTERNATIVE SECTION REALLY THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO ALTERNATIVES AND THE PROS AND CONS.
AND THEN I THINK THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL MITIGATION.
I I SAW JOSH'S DOCUMENT THAT HE'S ALREADY STARTED PREPARING AND I AGREE GENERALLY WITH WHAT HE'S GOT HERE IS THAT WE SHOULD BE RESPONSIVE TO WHAT IS FORMALLY IN FRONT OF US AS A PROPOSAL 'CAUSE A CLUSTER WAS NOT APPROVED.
AND THEN WALK THROUGH THAT AND THEN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IN RESPONSE TO THAT, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT BILL SAID IN RESPONSE TO THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING THIS AS AN ALTERNATIVE AND HERE'S WHAT WE PROPOSE AS THIS ALTERNATIVE AND THE WHY AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU AS THE APPLICANT TO INCLUDE YOUR PITCH, RIGHT.
FOR WHY YOU THINK THAT'S BETTER.
AND I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PIECES THERE, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO THEN SOME OTHER MITIGATIONS BEYOND THAT THAT LISTED IN THE SCOPING DOCUMENT THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED.
IT WAS SORT OF, WE JUMPED TO ONE POTENTIAL SOLUTION INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT POTENTIAL LITIGANTS AND HOW THEY MIGHT BE EMPLOYED.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A COMMENT ABOUT THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE NOT PRESENT DURING THE FIRST PRESENTATION OF THIS AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT THROUGH THE PAINSTAKING PROCESS OF FAILING ALL THE MINUTES OF A HUNDRED AND SOME ODD PAGES AND BE READING EVERYTHING.
SO WE, WHICH I APPRECIATE TO, SO WE COULD BE BROUGHT UP TO SPEED.
AND THE CONFUSION FOR THIS BOARD MEMBER IS THAT WHEN I WENT TO GO READ THE DEIS IT WASN'T ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION AND, AND I CONCUR WITH CAITLYN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE, UM, MEMBER CLARK'S COMING FROM, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE COMPARISON.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION, THE DEIS DONE FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND THEN IF THIS IS A MITIGATION, IF THE CLUSTER'S A MITIGATION, THEN PUT IT AT THAT WAY.
AND I, AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COMMENT.
I I GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT A DRAFT OF THE MEMO.
I JUST GOT IT A COUPLE DAYS AGO, SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
AND, AND SO, AND I THINK THAT ADDRESSES YOUR COMMENT TOO, DENNIS, ABOUT HOW YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S FINE.
WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S VERY CONFUSING.
I OPEN IT UP AND THERE'S NOTHING TALKING ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION AND THAT'S WHAT WAS BEFORE US.
BUT IF YOU DO LOOK BACK AT THE MINUTES, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS OF BOTH ALTERNATIVES.
OH, I, YEAH, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD THAT DID NOT LIKE THE CHANGE AND DIDN'T THINK WE SHOULD EVEN CONSIDER THE CLUSTER.
SO I THINK RIGHT THERE WAS BOTH BE RESPONSIVE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO VOTE AND FORMAL RIGHT.
AND I, AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS BOARD, WHENEVER THERE'S A CASE THAT COMES BACK IN FRONT OF US, UM, THAT WE LOOK AT THOSE MINUTES, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE MINUTES.
SO WE'RE SO WE CAN BE EDUCATED.
'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY REMEMBERS AND I CAN'T CALL ALL THE PREVIOUS BOARD MEMBERS AND GET ASKED THEIR OPINION.
I WANT TO COME TO MY CONCLUSION ON MY OWN AS, AS I'M SURE THE REST OF YOU DO AS WELL.
SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER? SO MY, OH, GO AHEAD.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS AND, AND UM, I HAVE NOT REVIEWED EVERY MINUTE IN DETAIL, BUT ONE OF THE, THE COMMENTS THAT I, I BELIEVE I HAD AT THE TIME IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD EARTH DIMENSIONS COME IN.
THEY GAVE US 25 FEET AND I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT I ASKED FOR MORE THAN 25 FEET AT THE TIME TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY ALTERNATIVES TO EVEN WIDEN THAT BUFFER FROM 25 TO MORE LIKE 50 FEET ON EITHER SIDE ALONG THAT, THAT ALONG RUSH CREEK.
AND TO LOOK AT THAT AS A SOLUTION AS TO HOW HOW WE CAME UP TO 20, 25 FEET IS OF OUR HEARING BUFFER AS PART OF THOSE MITIGATIONS.
AND YOU KNOW, FOR ME, CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE.
ONE OF THE ONLY REASONS THAT I SEE TO COME TO THAT CLUSTER IS TO ENHANCE RUSH CREEK.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT RUSH CREEK RELATIVE TO ANOTHER PROJECT EARLIER IN THE AGENDA, IS MAKING SURE THAT THE CLUSTERING AND THE WAY THE CLUSTER CODE IS USED, THEY KIND OF GOT USED VERY BROADLY BELOW.
BUT IT SHOULD BE TO ENHANCE A FEATURE AND NOT JUST TO REDUCE ROAD WIDTH OR, OR YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE SOME OF THOSE COSTS, BUT TO, TO PROVIDE A FEATURE OR AN ENHANCEMENT IN THAT TO ME IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
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THE, THE KEY, MAYBE THE ONLY FEATURE ON THAT OTHERWISE RELATIVELY, UM, UNDEVELOPED PARCEL IS THAT IT'S GOT THIS GREAT TRIBUTARY INTO LAKE ERIE ON IT AND IT PROVIDES A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ENHANCEMENT.AND, AND I'M I'M JUST NOT HIP ON DOING AWAY WITH, WHAT IS IT, SEVEN OR EIGHT UNITS, RIGHT? I MEAN IT, IT'S NICE TO SAY THAT, BUT THE TOWN IS LOSING OUT ON TAXES FOR EIGHT UNITS RIGHT.
AND AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY OR THE TOWN.
AND, AND I MEAN EXCEPT, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SAVING ALL THAT MONEY OF NOT HAVING THE ADDITIONAL 1500 FEET OF ROAD, WHICH IS A BIG EXPENSE.
BUT OVER, OVER YEARS THAT TAX WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.
I MEAN WELL I'M JUST THAT THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S ARABLE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT I'M SAYING I WOULD RATHER NOT, I'D GONNA SEE YOU PUT MORE THAN LESS OKAY.
THAT WE THERE WE COULD, WE COULD TAXES ON MORE UNITS AND THAT'S FOREVER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GO IN BUILD AND THEN WE MOVE.
I MEAN I WOULD ALSO ADD IN AS A MID, AGAIN, AN ALTERNATIVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE REMAIN WITH THE ALTERNATIVE, THE AS OF RIGHT THE, THE R ONE LOTS NOT CLUSTERED THOSE LOTS THAT HAVE RUSH CREEK CUTTING THROUGH IT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSIDER THEM DEVELOPABLE.
SO MAYBE ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES ADDRESSING ONE OF THE OTHER ANTS OF REDUCED LOTS IS THOSE LOTS COME OUT.
SO MY QUESTION IS THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE 45 DAY WINDOW.
ARE YOU GUYS GONNA, I, I ALREADY THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, BUT YOU'RE GONNA ISSUE A FORMAL DETERMINATION THAT THE DIS IS NOT COMPLETE AND PROVIDE US WITH COMMENTS TO ADDRESS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE HAVE THAT BREATH LIST OF DIVISION C THAT WE GAVE YOU.
I HAVE DOCUMENT OPENING, TAKING NOTES OF THE DEFICIENCIES THAT THE BOARD FEELS, UM, WEREN'T ADDRESSED.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A RESOLUTION, UM, TO FIND THAT THE DI IS INCOMPLETE AND THEN WE'LL ATTACH THIS LIST DEFICIENCY TO THAT RESOLUTION TO GIVE TO YOU TO, UM, SPEAKING OF THAT, LISTEN, JUST SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTIRE BOARD IS CLEAR AND IN AGREEMENT OF WHAT A DEFICIENT, UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT THE BOARD FEELS LIKE THE DIS WAS WRITTEN FROM THE ASSUMPTION OF THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE WRITTEN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE AS OF RIGHT.
AND THEN SECTION SIX, UH, 0.2, WHICH TALKS ABOUT ALTERNATIVE LAYOUTS.
THAT'S WHERE THE CLUSTER AND ALL OF THE
UM, AND THEN IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THAT DOCUMENT, THERE ARE 1, 2, 3, 4, THERE ARE EIGHT OTHER PLACES WHERE, UM, THIS IS BASED OFF OF COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FROM THEIR REVIEW WHERE PEOPLE EITHER ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION OR THOUGHT THAT, UM, IT WASN'T ADDRESSED IN THE DIS AS OPPOSED TO THE FINAL SPOKEN DOC.
UM, SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THEM AND I'LL LIST THEM OUT.
ANYONE HAS ANYTHING DIFFERENT, WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING, I'LL DO THAT NOW.
UM, 2.8 0.1, UM, THERE WAS AN ASK THAT, UM, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ENROLLMENT DATA, UM, AND THAT THERE WAS AN ASK FOR CURRENT DATA AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WAS IN THE FINAL SPOKEN DOC AND ASK FOR DATA, UH, SPECIFIC TO CAPACITY FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, NOT FOR THIS CURRENT PROJECT, BUT FOR THE, WHAT'S THE PROJECT THAT'S ADJACENT TO THIS PROJECT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE EVERYBODY? YES.
UM, 2.8 0.2 ASKS FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATED.
UH, THAT SECTION IS ABOUT POLICE, UM, RELATED TO HOW POLICE WILL OR, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS REQUESTED, INCLUDING ANY ANSWERS TO IF THERE ARE ANY EXISTING ISSUES WITH POLICE CAPACITY AND, UH, RESPONDING CALLS IN THIS AREA AND WILL BE CONTINUED GROWTH, UM, DUE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT SENSE.
POINT THREE IS FIRE AND OTHER EMERGENCY SERVICES REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL DATA ON NUMBER OF CALLS AND VOLUNTEERS OF AND, UH, FIRE OF THE NEAR NEAREST FIRE DEPARTMENT AND REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ON IF THERE'S A, IF THERE IS A CURRENT CAPACITY ISSUE AND WHAT IS THE OUTLOOK FOR FUTURE USE IN THIS AREA.
UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSION OF THOSE VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE SITE, TO THE PROJECT SITE THAT WASN'T, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE FINAL
UH, 3.5 0.2 UNDER POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO UTILITIES.
UM, AND THE FINAL LOPING DOCK ASKED FOR THE LOCATION OF FIRE HYDRANTS THAT WASN'T PROVIDED IN THE BDIS.
UH, 3.8 IMPACTS ON RULES, CHARACTER OF COMMUNITY OR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, DISCUSSION ON WHETHER ANY PUBLIC RESPONDS ARE GONNA BE USED FOR THIS PROJECT OR IF THERE ARE ANY APPROVED DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE PROJECT.
AND THE 5.0 MITIGATION MEASURES, UM, THERE WERE EIGHT MITIGATION MEASURES UH, IN THE FINAL SPOKEN DOCK.
THREE, FOUR AND SEVEN WERE FIVE.
BUT THE PRODUCTION OF THE NUMBER ROBOTS APPLICATION OF THE LOTS PATHWAYS AND SIDEWALKS, OPEN SPACE, COMMUNITY GARDENS AND OTHER CHARACTER FEATURES AND
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PROTECTION OF EXISTING WATERWAYS, I THINK THIS WAS NOT PROVIDED 'CAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PARTNER DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO THE AS PRICE.SO THAT'LL KIND OF BE ADDRESSED.
AND THE, THE REFORMAT, THE REFORMATTING.
AND LAST ON THAT, I WOULD ALSO LIKE, I THINK THAT HER DENNIS'S COMMENTS ALSO LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE SOLUTION THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WITH THIS ALTERNATIVE, TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER WAYS IN WHICH THESE COULD BE EMPLOYED IN DIFFERENT WAYS WITH PARTICULARLY REGARDING THE AS OF RIGHT LAYOUT, UM, PROBABLY SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.
WANNA SUMMARIZE THAT, LOOKING AT OTHER MITIGATION MEASURES, BUT SPECIFIC TO THE AS OF RIGHT LAYOUT AS OPPOSED TO THE CLUSTER.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE WE TALKED ABOUT IT IS, UH, 6.2, THE ALTERNATIVE SITE DESIGN.
UM, CURRENTLY IN THE DIS THAT'S WHERE THE AS OF RIGHT LAYOUT IS DISCUSSED, WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT OR THE CLUSTER LAYOUT TO BE DESCRIBED IN ALTERNATIVE SITE DESIGN.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IN, OH, I ALSO HAVE UNDER ALTERNATIVE SITE DESIGN, THIS IS ADDED FROM CAITLIN, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LOTS THAT HAVE RUSHED RUNNING THROUGH THEM, UM, HAVING, UH, SOME ANALYSIS ON WHAT WOULD LIKE IF THOSE BOTS WERE REMOVED FROM THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN I HAVE A COMMENT ON SECTION SEVEN AS WELL THAT I THINK WOULD BE PROFILE THAT IN.
SO, UM, PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS BOARD IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE AT THE TIME LOOKED AT CUMULATIVE IMPACTS WAS WITH REGARD TO THE CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE HERE WAS A BIT THIN.
IT WAS ONE PAGE, IT DIDN'T TALK ABOUT OVERALL INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ACROSS THOSE TWO LOTS.
THERE WASN'T REALLY ANY DISCUSSION OF, UM, COMBINED OVERALL IMPACTS IN THE AREA TO CHANGING IN LANDSCAPING IN THE NATURAL AREA OR THE RIPARIAN, UM, COMMUNITY AND AREA THERE.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS IN.
OBVIOUSLY THIS BOARD CAN DO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE, TO THE SPOT THERE.
BUT, UM, TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN THE OVERALL TRANSITION OF THIS REGION WITH THE SO, AND, AND MS. MCCORT.
I GUESS FOR PURPOSES OF THE MEMO, I GUESS IT WOULD BE, UM, EXPANSION OF THE DISCUSSION OF CUMULATIVE APEX.
AND PARTICULARLY, AND I'VE HEARD THE TOPICS, I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, AND THEN LAST THING IN THE APPENDIX, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UH, THE NO IMPACT TERMINATION LETTER FROM SHIP ROAD, RIGHT.
THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE CONSULTANT A OKAY.
SO DO WE, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT OR DO I DO THE RESOLUTION AND THEN WE VOTE, VOTE ON THE ION, READ THE RESOLUTION, VOTE ON THE RESOLUTION.
PARKER ROAD, UM, RESOLUTION FOR INCOMPLETE DEIS JULY 24TH, 2024.
WHERE IS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION FOR PARKER ROAD DEVELOPERS LLC FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION OF APPROXIMATELY 41.1 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 8 2 5 BIGTREE ROAD, UM, SBL NUMBER 1 6 0 0.2 DASH 2.1 IN THE NORTHEAST EASTERN PORTION OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD INITIATED A SEEKER COORDINATED REVIEW PROCESS FOR THIS UNLISTED ACTION AND ESTABLISHED THE PLANNING BOARD AS THE LEAD AGENCY.
AND WHEREAS THE PLAN, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT SEEKER DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED APPROVAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION MAY INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL FOR AT LEAST ONE SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE EN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND THEREFORE ISSUE A POSITIVE DECLARATION ISSUED, SORRY, A POSITIVE DECLARATION ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2021.
AND WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD RECEIVED A DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT ON DECEMBER 8TH, 2022 AND MADE THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AVAILABLE AND CONDUCTED A PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING ON THE DRAFT SCOPING DOCUMENT AT TOWN HALL HAMBURG TOWN HALL 6 1 0 0 SOUTH PARK AVENUE, HAMBURG, NEW YORK AT 7:00 PM ON JANUARY 18TH, 2023, AND ISSUED A FINAL
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SCOPING DOCUMENT ON FEBRUARY 1ST, 2023.AND WHEREAS THE APPLICANT APPLICANT SUBMITTED A-D-E-I-S ON JUNE 10TH, 2024 AND THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD AND ITS CONSULTANTS HAD REVIEWED THE DEIS AGAINST THE FINAL WRITTEN SCOPE AND HAS DETERMINED THAT THE DEIS IS INCOMPLETE BASED ON THE ATTACHED DOCUMENTS.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD PER SECTION 6 1 7 0.9 OF SEEKER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE DEIS SUBMITTED FOR THE PARKER ROAD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION PROJECT IS INADEQUATE WITH RESPECT TO SCOPE AND CONTENT AND HAS IDENTIFIED IT IN THE ATTACHED DOCUMENT.
THE DEFICIENCIES OF THE DEIS WOULD BE THIS ATTACHED DOCUMENT, RIGHT? SUBJECT TO THE UPDATES YOU'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, SUBJECT TO THE DISCUSSION, YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT THAT IN YOUR RESOLUTION, JUST SO, SO SUBJECT TO THE DISCUSSION, UM, SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONAL TOPICS BROUGHT UP DURING THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING ON SUCH DATE TODAY, SUBJECT TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS TAKEN AT THIS TABLE REGARDING THE ADDITIONAL TOPICS FOR THIS EVENING.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? WE'VE GOT IT ALL COVERED.
CAN YOU SAY IT ONE MORE TIME? SUBJECT, SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONAL TOPICS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE PLED BOARD DURING ITS MEETING ON JULY 24TH, 2024.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? YOU NEED A SECOND? I'LL SECOND GUYS' INTERRUPT ME.
I'LL SEE IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.
SO THEN COULD WE HAVE AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION SCHEDULED? AND SECONDLY, OUR GOAL'S GONNA BE TO TURN THIS AROUND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO COULD WE PUT IT TENTATIVELY ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST MEETING? AUGUST? UH, I THINK WE'RE, WE HAVE, WE'RE BOOKED ON THE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT PARKER.
WE HAVE 2 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, WE HAVE SIX PROJECTS WITHOUT PARKER.
SO IS YOUR HOPE AT THAT MEETING TO TURN THE FULL REVISION AROUND OR YOU'RE STILL, THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET 30 DAYS TO REVIEW IT AGAIN.
SO, I MEAN, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK AND YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING, YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT DONE BY NEXT FRIDAY? YEAH, WE BY NEXT FRIDAY NEXT I'M GONNA TRY.
WHY DON'T JUST MAKE IT FOR THE FOURTH.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
IF IT, THAT AGENDA'S ALREADY FULL.
LET'S DO, WHAT'S THE NEXT DATE? AUGUST 21ST.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S SLIGHTLY LOST.
SO IT'S ALSO IN YOUR CHRIS'S BIRTHDAY.
UM, OKAY, SO WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON THE 21ST, RIGHT? YES.
AND FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE SCHEDULING LIKE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THING BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
WE'RE WE'RE SCHEDULING UM, INFORMATIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT INFORMATION LIKE AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE POSTED THEN WE HAVE TIME YEAH.
AND, AND ENCOURAGE ON THE WEBSITE THAT PEOPLE CAN WRITE IN THEIR COMMENTS AS WELL IF THEY DON'T WANNA COME TO THE MEETING AUGUST 21ST FOR AUGUST 21ST.
UM, JOSH WILL, JOSH HAS GOT IT ON THE WEBSITE.
HE HE'LL PUT HIS EMAIL ADDRESS ON THERE.
KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THE PREVIOUS MOD CAR WASH.
AND DO, BUT DO THE, DOES THE PUBLIC WHO IS PROVIDING THE COMMENTS NEED TO PUT NAME AND ADDRESS THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS ON THEIR COMMENTS? YES, YES.
THEY DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
CAN WE ASK FOR THE ADDRESS ANYMORE? THEY CHANGE THAT SOMETIMES.
NO, THERE, THERE'S A LAW THAT THEY CAN GIVE THEIR NAME, BUT WE CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE ADDRESS.
WE CAN'T FORCE SOMEONE TO THAT THEIR NAME.
THEY GET CASE IN SOME KIND OF A RIGHT.
SO SORRY, CAN I JUST CLARIFY, PROCEED PROCESS QUESTION HERE.
SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A PUBLIC INPUT SESSION AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THE REVISED DIS NO, NOT THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT THAT IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM WHAT WILL BE HELD DURING FULL PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
SO WE ARE PLANNING THEN TO HOLD A SEPARATE COMMENT MEETING YES.
DURING THAT, SO THERE WILL BE TWO, ONE INPUT, ONE PUBLIC INPUT SESSION NOW, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE FORMAL COMMENT PERIOD WITH THE HEARING.
AND THE SECOND ONE WILL BE A FORMAL HEARING.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS FOLLOWING.
UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T GO HOME UNTIL YOU TELL US TODAY.
DO YOU WANT A CHAIR OR BOTTLE? NO, I LIKE TO STAND.
I HAVEN'T EATEN, I HAVEN'T EVEN EATEN LUNCH YET.
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WOULD YOU LIKE I HAVE WATER, BUT I I HAVE ICED FULL.I'M TAKING A MCDONALD'S FOR I AM.
OUR LAST CASE FOR THIS EVENING IS PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THE SUBMITTED DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY REGARDING THE COMPOSTABLE OF GLEN WETZEL TO BE ZONE PROPERTY LOCATED EAST AND SOUTH OF UM, 42 55 MCKINLEY PARKWAY.
HOWEVER, WE JUST GOT THIS SO WE, NOBODY'S HAD TIME TO LOOK AT ANYTHING.
UM, SO YOU'RE JUST PRESENTING, YOU'RE JUST DELIVERING IT TO US TONIGHT AND THEN YOU'RE COMING BACK ON SEVEN, BUT SEVEN TO, UM, SO ON THIS ONE, WHAT WE DID ON THIS.
SO ON THIS ONE, WOULD YOU PREFER THAT I DEFER MY PRESENTATION TILL THAT MEETING? I'D BE FINE WITH THAT.
BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO YEAH.
AS LONG AS WE'RE ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? I DO.
UM, THE CONSULTANT WHO WAS INVOLVED PREPARING THAT SAID THAT ONE OF THE FULL-SIZE PLANS, INCLUDING THE ONES THAT WERE DELIVERED WAS NOT FORMATTED CORRECTLY.
SO IS IT OKAY IF I PROVIDE EVERYONE WITH THIS ONE COP COPY OF THE 1.1 PAN IT FOR WETZEL? YEAH, FOR WETZEL? SURE.
I DON'T AND THEN WE HAVE UNTIL AUGUST 25TH.
SO THE AUGUST 21ST MEETING TO PROVIDE YOU TO MAKE A DECISION, CORRECT ON THAT'S CORRECT.
WE'VE DONE THIS ONE ON WETZEL.
YEAH, WE HAVE 45 DAYS, NOT 30.
THEY'RE COMING BACK ON THE SEVENTH.
THEY'LL COME BACK ON THE SEVENTH UNTIL IF THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MAKE DECISION.
SO THAT IT'S, WELL THEY HAVE FULL SIZE OF THE REST.
SORRY, I THINK YOU, DOES YOUR DOCUMENT THAT GOT DELIVERED HAVE SOME FULL SIZE PLANS WITH IT? I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED.
SO THAT GOES, SO THAT GOES WITH THAT.
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN BOLD UP BLUE VOLUMES ON THE APPENDICES BUT NOT THE DEIS.
THAT'S NOT SPECULA THE OPPOSITE.
SO WAIT, YOU GOT TWO TYPE THING? NO, NO, I VOLUME ONE, VOLUME TWO.
BUT I DON'T HAVE THE DIS ANYBODY.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOURS WORKS.
WE SUBMITTED TIME, COPIES, STEEL.
WELL THEN WHERE'S BILL? THAT'S IT? YEAH, HIS IS BACK.
YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF READING SO WE'LL, SO WE'LL, WE'LL DEFER AND PRESENT THIS AT YOUR FIRST MEETING.
THANK YOU EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
AUR, IT'S BEEN MOVED AT SECOND.