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UM, SO ARE YOU SAYING THEY HAVE TO MOVE THIS MIC OVER? UH, I PULL IT A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU.SO, UM, THE FIRST CASE THAT I'M CALLING UP IN OUR SESSION IS SUBURBAN ADULT SERVICES REQUESTING A CHANGE OF USE FROM OFFICE BUILDING TO RESPITE FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 3 0 5 0 ABBOTT ROAD IS THE PETITIONER HERE, APPLICANT HERE.
YOUR HONOR, CAN YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND THEN TELL US AND JUST SPEAK INTO THAT MIKE.
I'M WITH ARMITAGE ARCHITECTURE.
I'M WORKING WITH SUBURBAN ADULT SERVICES ON 3 0 5 0 ABBOTT ROAD FOR A CHANGE OF USE FROM AN OFFICE BUILDING TO OUR RESPITE FACILITY.
I ALSO HAVE BARB LARO AND SUSAN HOPKINS FROM SUBURBAN ADULT SERVICES HERE WITH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROPOSED, UH, USE OF, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO TELL US WHY, HOW IT'S COMING TO A RE FACILITY? FROM WHAT IT WAS TO WHAT YOU WANNA BE, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE? UM, I CAN ANSWER ANY ARCHITECTURAL QUESTIONS, BUT I CAN TURN THOSE QUESTIONS OVER.
SHE CAN EXPLAIN FOR, HI, I'M
UM, WE HAVE A NEED FOR RESPITE AND NOT MUCH FOR, UM, OFFICE SPACE.
SO RESPITE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE, UM, THAT TAKE CARE OF THEIR LOVED ONE WITH A DISABILITY.
AND SO IT GIVES THEM A BREAK SO THEY GET TO COME TO OUR FACILITY, UM, AND DO FUN ACTIVITIES AND GIVE THEIR FAMILY A BREAK.
SO WHILE THEY'RE BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA REINSTATE.
WE'VE HAD IT IN THE PAST AND, EXCUSE ME, IN THE TOWN OF EVAN AND THERE'S MORE PEOPLE IN LIKE THIS AREA AND IN THE NORTH TOWNS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THE RESITE.
SO THESE ARE THE RE THAT THESE ARE THE CAREGIVERS.
THE REST WAS FOR THE CAREGIVER IS NOT VACATION? NO, IT'S FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS THE DISABILITY.
SO IT'S LIKE A LITTLE VACATION FOR THE PERSON, UM, THAT THEY'RE CARING FOR.
UM, BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER? UH, YEAH.
UM, YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING ON SUBMITTING TO THE ZBA TO GET YOUR TO GO FOR A USE VARIANCE, CORRECT? THAT'S THE, THE NEXT, YEAH.
UM, SO BECAUSE THEY'RE, UH, TRYING TO GET A FROM THE BEFORE YOU GUYS GOTTA, UM, SO NOW'S THE, TO ASK, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS, UM, BEFORE THEY, YOU APPLY FOR LEAVING.
SO WAS IT THIS BUILDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY
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AS A RESPITE? NO, IT WAS AT A OFFICE BUILDING.UM, I, MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT VISITING HOURS, PARKING AND IF THE FIRE, IF YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE.
SO TO START OFF WITH, UM, BECAUSE IT'S AT THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, THIS, IT, LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, IT'LL BE A HOUSE YEP.
AND GOING OUT THERE AND YOU'RE REDESIGNING THE HOUSE YEP.
AND WHAT, ARE THERE GONNA BE VISITING HOURS FOR THESE PATIENTS? UM, YEAH, SO THERE'LL BE HOURS OF WHEN WE'RE OPEN.
SO RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR GOAL EVENTUALLY IS TO BE 24 7, BUT RIGHT NOW WOULD BE LIKE THE WEEKEND.
SO PROBABLY THURSDAY THROUGH MONDAY WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE COME AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PARKING PLACES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE? WE WOULD NOT BE ADDING MORE THAN CURRENTLY THERE.
AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THERE NOW? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE SIX CURRENTLY THERE.
AND YOU'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY MORE ADDITIONAL BOARD MEMBERS? OH, REALLY QUICK, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
THEY'RE JUST HERE FOR A CHANGE OF USE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING DBA, SO THEY JUST ARE, UH, COMMITTING FOR A CHANGE USE.
SO THEN I, THIS PROJECT IS NOT GONNA YEAH, SORRY, I WAS WONDERING WHY THAT I WAS GONNA ASK CHANGE.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE? JUST ADDING WINDOWS WHERE THE BEDROOMS WILL BE FOR EGRESS.
SUPPOSED TO BE ADDING NEW WINDOWS AND UM, PATCHING SIDING AND EXTERIOR SIDE.
WILL THERE BE OVERNIGHT GRAPHIC WHERE THEY DO OKAY.
THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE THERE, PATIENTS THAT WILL BE THERE AT ONE TIME.
ANYONE ELSE WITH ANY QUESTIONS GIE MY BACKGROUND, MY NAME IS GIE TRACY AND MY BACKGROUND IS IN HEALTHCARE.
WILL THERE BE LPNS OR RNS AS PART OF THE STAFF? THEY WILL NOT BE ON STAFF 24 7, BUT THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO THE, TO THE SITE.
AND IT'S AN OVERNIGHT, THE PATIENTS WILL COME OVERNIGHT.
NOT JUST LIKE A DAYCARE DROPPED OFF AND THEY GONE.
SOME PEOPLE MAY STAY DURING JUST FOR THE DAY OR JUST ONE OVERNIGHT AND SOME MAY PEOPLE STAY FOR THE WEEKEND OR YOU KNOW, IF WE OPEN 24 7, THEY CAN STAY FOR A WEEK.
QUESTION WITH I THE OF SIX PATIENTS, WHAT THAN THE STAFFING LEVEL? SO, UM, IT WILL VARY BASED ON THE PERSON'S NEEDS, BUT AT MINIMUM WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TWO STAFF FOR EACH SHIFT.
UM, AND THEN IF WE NEED MORE, WE CAN ALWAYS THEM.
SO IT'S JUST TWO STAFF MEMBERS PER SHIFT IN FACILITY.
WILL THE STAFF BE CERTIFIED? YEAH, THEY'LL BE CERTIFIED IN THAT ADMINISTRATION AND ALL THE, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT DEPUTY CERTIFIES IN? YES.
SO ARE, UM, ENGINEERING, DID YOU WEIGH IN ON IT? UM, TYPICALLY A CHAIN OF USE I WOULDN'T REALLY WEIGH IN JUST BECAUSE I DO HAVE THE SITE PLAN IN ME.
THERE IS A NEW FENCE, SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AND IT DOES SHOW A CONCRETE PAD IN THE BACK.
IS THAT JUST INTENDED AS A
I DON'T HAVE ANY ENGINEERING CONCERNS WITH THAT.
SO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, UM, JOSH TO PLAN A PUBLIC HEARING? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, DO WE GET ROOM ON OUR NEXT MEETING? UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, TWO 19 WE HAVE, WELL I BUILT IT IN TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UM, ALREADY ON, IT'S ALREADY ON RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS YOU'LL BE BACK HERE ON THE 19TH OF FEBRUARY.
WE'LL, WE'LL NOTIFY THE PUBLIC FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, YOU'LL COME SPEAK AND ADD INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'LL THE PUBLIC, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN
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IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS OR WHATEVER YOU RESPOND AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.OUR NEXT CASE IS, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DISCUSS ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF A LEGAL BUILDING LOT TO BE LOCATED EAST OF 6 7 7 2 TAYLOR ROAD.
AND IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS OR IS THIS JUST, I'M RANDY SCHMIDT.
I'M, UH, BASICALLY REPRESENTING THE OWNER, AN ELDERLY COUPLE THAT LIVE ON, UH, TAYLOR ROAD.
UM, MR. AND MRS. ECKEL, THEY SOLD OFF THE GREATER PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY IN 2000 TO ALLIANCE HOMES AND WHICH LEFT THEM A STRIP OF PROPERTY 162 FEET WIDE.
UM, BUT IT'S 3000 FEET, IT'S 10.66 ACRES.
AND UM, MY DAUGHTER IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE THIS, BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, HOME AND MOVED BACK HOME FROM NORTH CAROLINA TO THEIR FAMILY AND HUSBAND AND FAMILY.
UM, OKAY, SO WE GOT A CORRESPONDENCE FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, JOSH ROGERS FROM PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE RECORD.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, AS MR. SCHMIDT MENTIONED, UH, THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE PARCEL IN QUESTION.
UH, LIKE YOU SAID IT'S 10 ACRES.
UM, WHY THIS PROJECT IS BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE IN WHAT, 2000 MM-HMM
UH, THIS LOT WAS TECHNICALLY, I DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD ILLEGAL, BUT WASN'T PROPERLY SUBDIVIDED IN THE EYES OF THE TO HAMMER, WHICH RECOGNIZED, UM, BY THE COUNTY.
UM, BUT UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A PART OF A LARGER PARCEL THAT I THINK EXPANDED ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE.
SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY A PART OF, UH, TO THE PARCELS HERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE PARCELS HAVE BEEN SUBDIVIDED.
UM, I BELIEVE THREE OF THEM WERE SUBDIVIDED IN 2007 ISH.
AND THEN WERE FURTHER SUBDIVIDED EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT.
SO WHAT WAS LEFT IS THIS LOT RIGHT HERE, WHICH TECHNICALLY, UH, DOES NOT MEET THE BUILDING WITH, UH, REQUIREMENT, UH, FROM THIS CURRENT ZONING, MEANING THAT THIS LOT WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
UM, WHICH IS WHAT MR. SCHMID IS LOOKING TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP AND GO BEFORE THE DBA WHILE WE'RE HERE BEFORE THE PLAYING BOARD.
AND BECAUSE BECAUSE THIS LOT HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED FROM THIS LOT, THEN WE SUBDIVIDED EVEN MORE.
UH, ANOTHER UH, ISSUE IS THAT, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, ENTITY WHO SUBDIVIDED THIS LOT IS NO LONGER HERE THERE DECEASED.
UM, AND EVEN THE LAWYER WHO DID THE PAPERWORK, I BELIEVE IS EITHER NOT WITH US EITHER OR IS NOT WORKING ANYMORE.
UM, SO WHILE WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU IS, BECAUSE THIS LOT REALLY CANNOT BE SUBDIVIDED AGAIN, PER SE.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD'S OPINION ON THE BEST WAY TO KIND OF PUSH THIS FORWARD TO MAKE THIS, UH, THE SEND MR. SCH, UM, TO DESIGNATE THIS AS A BUILDING LOT, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO, UM, BASED OFF THE PRIOR PRECEDENT IN THE TOWN.
UM, PREVIOUSLY ISSUES LIKE THIS, AND AS YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LOTS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN THAT HAVE NOT QUOTE UNQUOTE BEEN PROPERLY SUBDIVIDED, ESPECIALLY WITH MINOR SUBDIVISIONS.
A LOT OF TOWNS IN NEW YORK STATE THAT ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, BUT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG DOES.
UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE TOWN WHERE THERE ARE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN RECOGNIZED THAT CREATE ISSUES LIKE WE HAVE TODAY.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY IS WE'VE ISSUED CONDITIONAL MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WITH THE CONTINGENCY THAT IS A CONDITION THAT IT GOES TO THE DBA AND RECEIVE A VARIANT.
THEY WOULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO GET MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
WE'VE ALSO DONE, WE'VE GIVEN A RECOMMENDATION LIKE WE DO TO THE DBA, HAVE THE APPLICANT GO TO THE DBA AND THEN IF THEY GET THEIR VARIANT, THEN THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUES, MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
OR WE'VE ALSO HAD THE OPTION OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, UNLESS THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNIQUE, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO.
AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T MOVE ANY FURTHER.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS AFTER WITH ENFORCEMENT THAT THEY WANNA PRESENT TO THE, AS AN OBVIOUSLY IT'S YOUR, YOUR DECISION, YOUR DISCRETION.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE APPLICANTS PREVIOUSLY WHO
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ARE NOT EVEN HERE TO EXPLAIN WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO BEFORE WE MR. SCHMIDT FURTHER.SO JOSH ON THIS, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IN QUESTION MM-HMM
IS THERE A MAIN PIECE OF PROPERTY STILL THAT THE OWNER OWNS? OR ARE THEY ALL SEPARATE OWNERSHIP? THEY'RE ALL SEPARATE OWNERS AND, AND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT IS JUST BEEN VACANT BECAUSE IT, NOBODY DID ANYTHING WITH IT.
WELL, THERE'S AN EXISTING GARAGE ON IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT WAS THE OWNER'S WORKSHOP THAT HE DID WITH WORKING AND HE HAD A WORKSHOP ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS WHERE HIS RESIDENCE WAS.
YOU KNOW, THE LOT IS 162 FEET WIDE, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.
IT'S LIKE 3000 FEET, FEET, SO IT KIND OF A SUBSTANTIAL CHUNK OF PROPERTY, WHICH YOU CAN'T RAISE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SPLIT IT OFF OR DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT.
SO, AND THE VARI, I BELIEVE IS WHAT, 32 FEET SHORT OF THE BUILDING WIDTH.
SO IT'S NOT A HUGE YEAH, THE FRONTAGE CAN BE WHAT, DOWN TO A HUNDRED FEET, BUT IT'S WHERE THE HOUSE SITS THAT THEY, FOR CODE THEY WANT 200.
BUT WITH STAGGERING THE HOMES THAT MY DAUGHTER WANTS TO BUILD FURTHER BACK, IT WOULD NOT BE LIKE RIGHT ADJACENT TO ANOTHER HOME NEXT DOOR.
IT WOULD PROBABLY SIT BACK A LITTLE FURTHER FROM IT.
SO YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING, HOW MANY VARIANCES ARE YOU GONNA BE REFLECTING? UH, JUST, JUST ONE FOR THE WIDTH? NO SIDE YARD, AT LEAST THE SIDE YARD SUBJECT, BUT NOT THE FRONT IS THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBERS THE VARIANCE WOULD BE APPROVAL FOR THE 62 FEET WIDE OR LOOKING FOR THE APPROVAL ADDITIONAL PROPERTY.
IT WOULD BE APPROVAL OF NOT MEETING THAT 200.
JOSH, YOU SAID IT CAN'T BE SUBDIVIDED AGAIN, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN SUBDIVIDED, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT SUBDIVIDING AGAIN.
SO THAT'S WHY SUBDIVISION ALREADY DONE DONE.
SO THIS WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE KIND OF CORRECTING THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T PROPERLY DONE, HOWEVER, 25 YEARS AGO.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE DO HAVE PRIOR PRECEDENT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT AND WHILE WE CAME TO THE BOARD IS ONE THING WE DON'T WANNA DO IS SET PRECEDENT OF, OH, SOMETHING WASN'T DONE X AMOUNT OF YEARS AGO.
YOU CAN JUST COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD, GET A RUBBER STAMP, AND THEN GO GET A VARI AND CALL IT, WE WANT TO BRING IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND KIND OF EXPLAIN THAT YOU NEED OF THE SITUATION AND THEN PRESENT THESE OPTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, ISSUING SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
IF YOU GUYS WANNA GO THAT ROUTE OF HAVING THAT CONDITION OF, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE CBA OR HAVING THEM GO TO C FIRST OR, YOU KNOW, GO THAT ROUTE.
JOSH, IF I MAY, FROM THE JOSEPH GOGAN, FROM THE BOARD ATTORNEY, JUST FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY OWNED BY EC CORRECT? IT WAS THE, THE FARMER? I THINK SO, RIGHT? YEAH.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN HE SUBDIVIDED IT INTO A SMALL NUMBER OF PARCELS, THREE OR FOUR PARCELS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEP.
WAS WAS THAT THE, WAS THAT DIRECTLY TO THEM? THE ALLIANCE HOMES DID A SEPARATE SUBDIVISION DOWN.
SO WHEN HE SUBDIVIDED IN HERE MM-HMM.
WHOSE NAME DID IT GO INTO IN 2000? I BELIEVE IT WAS ALLIANCE AND THEN ALLIANCE.
EVEN, EVEN, EVEN THAT ORPHAN LOT WAS A LIONS, UH, NO, IT WASN'T THE, THE GENTLEMAN WANTED TO KEEP THAT ORPHAN LOT FOR HIMSELF.
SO THAT, THAT IN HIS NAME? YES.
AND THEN WHEN DID THAT TRANSFER OUT? IT HASN'T, YEAH.
SO IT'S STILL IN, EVEN THOUGH HE'S DECEASED.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ELDERLY.
DOES DOES HE HAVE A, A POWER OF ATTORNEY OR SOME, HIS SON.
AND HIS WIFE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, I MEAN PROPERTY LEGALLY POSSIBLE THAT AN APPLICATION CAN STILL BE MADE, STILL OWNS A LOT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT HE'S NOT AVAILABLE, HE'S STILL A LOT, HE STILL OWNS A LOT.
JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE REPRESENTING THEM BECAUSE OF ELDERLY AND HAPPENS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE OF THE GENTLEMAN IN THE PLANNING, IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S OFFICE, GRAND OR UNCLE.
SO IF, IF IT'S STILL IN HIS NAME, THERE'S A, A, A LEGAL CONCEPT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE DONE IN THIS SITUATION, BUT
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IF IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT IN, IN THE SUBDIVISION, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOMETHING COULD BE DONE.NON PROTON, MEANING AS IF IT HAPPENED BACK IN THE PAST.
UM, I JUST TO, TO AVOID THE OTHER ISSUES WITH, WITH THAT PART OF IT.
THERE STILL BE ISSUES WITH FRONTAGE SEPARATE.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE ZONING BOARD FIRST.
VARIANCE THEN THAT'S IN MY OPINION OF THE OPTION OF THE JUDGE.
I THINK IT SHOULD GO TO THE DBA FIRST TO SEE IF THEY'RE GONNA GRANT IT ALL VARI AND THEN IT CAN COME BACK TO ANYBODY ELSE SHAARA, UM, ON THE ADDRESS.
IS ON THAT PROPERTY, IS ZACHARY AND HANNAH FINNEGAN.
AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS SUBDIVISION AND SO FORTH IS NOT WITH RESPECT TO THEIR REAL PROPERTY AND THAT WE JUST HAVE YEAH, THERE IS NO ADDRESS ON THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NO HOME ON IT.
THERE WAS, IT'S IN BETWEEN THE TWO, BETWEEN 6, 7, 9 OH AND 6 7, 7 2.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING WOULD ASSIGN THE ADDRESS.
THEY, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS FOR SLOTS THAT DON'T HAVE A, A LIVABLE STRUCTURE OR A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE ASSIGN THE, BUT ONLY ONCE THEY APPLY FOR, WHICH IS WHY IT'S DESCRIBED AS EAST OF THAT ADDRESS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO GIVE YOU AN ADDRESS TO GET YOU IN THE RIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF WE JUST SAID TAYLOR ROAD, YOU, YOU'D HAVE ROAD TO WORK WITH.
OKAY, SO THE ONLY THING I WANNA CLEAR UP, BECAUSE WE GOT A LETTER FROM JEFF SCR, UM, AS PART OF OUR RECORD, BUT THE LAST PART OF IT THAT I'M CONFUSED.
IT SAID SINCE 2000 WHEN THE LOT WAS CREATED, THE PARENT PARCEL IN WHICH IT WAS SPLIT FROM HAS BEEN SPLIT INTO THREE LOTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT JOSH SHOWED US, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF PLANNING BOARD.
FURTHERMORE, TWO OF THESE THREE LOCKS HAVE BEEN SL INTO FIVE BUILDING BLOCKS.
RECORDS SHOW THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE PARENT PARCEL, WHICH I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PARENT PARCEL IS, SO IS DECEASED.
SO ALL OF THIS, I BELIEVE IS ONE GIANT LOT AT ONE TIME.
IF YOU GO BACK YEARS AND YEARS FROM THE LEFT, LOT LINE ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM HERE TO THE, UH, NO MOVE OVER A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT.
WAS IT RIGHT HERE? RIGHT THERE, HERE.
FROM THERE ALL THE WAY TO THE TOWN OF BOSTON.
LINE AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR MAP WAS ALL ONE FARM THAT WAS YES.
SO IF THE ORIGINAL OWNER IS DECEASED, HOW DID THIS GUY OWN THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? IT CAN'T BE A TRUE STATEMENT IN THIS REPORT THAT WE GOT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE HE WAS THE ORIGINAL OWNER.
AM I, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? YEAH, NOT FOLLOWING.
IT SAYS RECORDS SHOW THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER RIGHT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THAT WHOLE BIG PIECE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE PARENT PARCEL, RIGHT.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE JEFF'S GRANDFATHER.
AND THEN THAT PORTION OF THE FARM IS SPLIT BETWEEN JEFF'S UNCLE BILL AND I BELIEVE MAYBE AN AUNT, UM, OTTO DUGGAN AND HIS WIFE OWNED A BIGGER WEDGE.
RIGHT? SO JEFF, JEFF FROM THE BUILDING, HIS GRANDFATHER OWNED, SOLD SOME OF IT JEFF'S UNCLE.
AND THEN FROM THERE IT'S BEEN SUBDIVIDED.
SO IT'S JUST JEFF'S UNCLE THAT OWNS THIS PIECE PROPERTY, THIS SUBSET, A SUBSET, THE IN QUESTION IS OWNED BY JEFF'S.
NOT THE, NOT THE, YEAH, NOT THE ORIGINAL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BUILDING? FROM THE PLANNING BOARD? ANY OTHER OPINION? WHAT ABOUT GETTING OPINION? OKAY, ANYBODY NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT? OKAY, SO
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THIS BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD BACK TO DBA FOR THE, AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DETERMINED, COME BACK, YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MAR I'M SORRY, I KNOW MY FACE LIKE THIS.NO, I'M JUST, I'M LIKE LISTENING TO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND IF, IF THE ORIGINAL OWNER RETAINED THIS LOSS THAT WASN'T SUBDIVIDED IN A BUILDABLE SHAPE, DID THEY INTEND IT TO BE BUILDABLE? IT WOULD, I DON'T THINK UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN DECIDE ANYMORE, MAKE UN BUILDABLE LOSS.
THERE'S TO NOT BE ABLE TO, YES.
I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES ANYTHING BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T, IT, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
THE FACTS ARE WHAT THEY'RE, AND WE CAN ADJUST IT NOW BECAUSE IT WAS SUBDIVIDED IN, IN THE SHAPE THAT IT WAS.
BUT IT'S JUST CURIOUS TO ME THAT THIS IS THE ONLY PIECE THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER HAS KEPT.
SO OWNER, HIS GRANDFATHER, THIS LOT IS OWNED BY UNCLE.
GOT SOMEWHERE CHAIN OWNERSHIP IN TWO.
THAT, BUT THAT'S THE, I THINK WE'RE JUST MIXING UP WORDS BETWEEN LIKE PARENT PARCEL AND PARCEL ISSUE.
WHO'S LIVE AND WHO'S NOT THE NAME OF IT.
THE NAME PARENT PARCEL MAKES IT THE, THE, THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE, AND NOT EVEN JUST SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, BUT JUST HOW WE DO SOMETHING THAT IN THE TOWN PERIOD IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL BE RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNTY OR THEY WON'T BE RECOGNIZED BY THE TOWN OR VICE VERSA EITHER WAY.
AND THEN WE HAVE ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE WANNA BUILD SOMETHING OR THEY COME TO THE TOWN WITHIN AN APPLICATION AND IT'S RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE TOWN, THEN PAPERWORK IS LOST OR SOMEBODY UNFORTUNATELY PASSED AWAY AND NOW WE HAVE ISSUES THAT
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PLANNING BOARD MEETING TO ORDER.PLEASE RISE AND LET NUMBER CLARK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? SURE.
OKAY, OUR FIRST, UM, OH, IN THE MINUTES WE HAVE UM, TWO SETS OF MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CHANGES OR NOTICES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE IN REGARDS TO MINUTES THAT EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM? IS THERE SOMEBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE UM, OKAY.
UM, MOVE TO ACCEPT WHICH DATE ARE YOU GONNA DO BOTH? OR JANUARY 22ND.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THEY'RE NOT FROM JANUARY 8TH, WHICH I THINK, HANG ON BEFORE YOU DO THAT, UM, REMEMBER, UM, THE SAME FROM VOTING ON THE MINUTES BECAUSE SHE WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
MEMBER, UM, UM, IS ABSTAINING FROM VOTING ON THE MINUTES.
OKAY, SO YOU WERE SAYING MEMBER MCCORMICK, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 8TH, 2025 MEETING AND IT IS BEEN MOVED.
DO YOU HAVE A IAIN FROM THOSE TWO? SAME REASONS.
SO MEMBER VALENTI ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON THE MINUTES MEMBER, UM, FINLEY ABSTAINS AND MEMBER AUGUST ABSTAIN.
SO WE HAVE THREE MEMBERS THAT NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM BARELY.
I WAS WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
WE'RE NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT NO.
UM, DID YOU HEAR SOMETHING ELSE? DO WE NEED TO ALSO APPROVE THEM? WE ALREADY APPROVED THE MEETING FOR THE DECEMBER 18TH MEETING.
JUST CONFIRM DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GO DOWN.
I NO, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SYSTEM ISSUE.
OKAY, SO WE GOT THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
SO NOW OUR UM, FIRST CASE IS FOR, UM, 7 1 6, NO, SORRY, OUR FIRST CASE IS FOR TIM HEL.
IS TIM CLE HERE THIS EVENING? IS THE APPLICANT TIM APPLE HERE.
OKAY, SO HE WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
I TALKED, DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO MAKE COMMENT IN REGARDS TO HIS CASE? UM, THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR TIER TWO SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM LOCATED AT 6 9 9 6 TAYLOR ROAD.
SO I DON'T KNOW TIM PERSONALLY.
I I THOUGHT THIS ON MEETING, BUT I ACTUALLY DROVE UP TO HIS HOUSE TO TALK TO HIM YESTERDAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
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BUT I LOOKED AT IT AND HIS HOUSE IS OUT THERE.THERE'S ONLY ONE HOUSE BEHIND HIS HOUSE, SO IT DOES TO ME, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE PROJECT WOULD INTERFERE.
HE PULLED A PERMIT FOR A SHED 2014 AND I PUNCHED THE NUMBERS FOR HIM SINCE 2016.
HE PAID 68 150 $5 IN TAXES TO THE TOWN.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S REALLY NO REASON HE WANTS TO SHRINK HIS CARBON FOOTPRINT BY GETTING THE SOLAR PANELS.
SO I FEEL LIKE IF THERE'S NO GOOD REASON TO DENY IT, JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANNA NECESSARILY PLANTED IN THE YARD, THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON TO REALLY DENY THIS, ESPECIALLY IF NONE OF THE NEIGHBORS AROUND HIM HAVE OBJECTED TO IT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? LAST CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON 6 9 9 6 TAYLOR ROAD? SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE GOING TO, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TABLE INDEFINITELY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SHOWN, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CORRESPONDENCE FROM HIM.
YOUR COMMENTS WILL BE PART OF THE RECORD.
SO IF IT DOES GET REOPENED, WE'LL WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL LOOK AT IT AT THAT POINT.
UM, OUR NEXT CASE IS, UM, SEVEN SIX CANNABIS REQUESTING A SITE, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, UM, A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A PROPOSAL TO, TO OPERATE A CANNABIS, UM, DISPENSARY AT 5 1 6 1 CAMP ROAD.
THE APPLICANT DID DO A PRESENTATION LAST MONTH AND TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO ADD? UH, JOHN DUNCAN, AND THIS IS MY WIFE, ASHLEY BROWN.
WE HAVE NOTHING TO LITTLE PRESENTATION.
I'M GONNA TO THE MICROPHONE SO THEY CAN IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE BOARD NEEDS IT.
I MEAN, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU WHAT YOU FEEL THAT YOU NEED TO ADD.
I IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, MAYBE TAKE CARE OF IT.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE US THE, UM, SINCE THERE'S MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAYBE WEREN'T HERE LAST WEEK OR LAST WEEK.
SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE US A HIGHLIGHT, KIND OF YOUR CONNECTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR, WITH THE STORE CHANGE THE BUILDING, JUST THE, THE HIGH DISPENSARY, UM, THE, UH, SO YOU'RE MOVING INTO AN EXISTING BUILDING, CORRECT? YEAH.
WE'RE REQUESTING SPECIAL, SPECIAL NEEDS PERMIT.
WE HAVE, UM, WE JUST PURCHASED THE BUILDING BACK IN NOVEMBER.
IT CURRENTLY, UM, MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FROM NOT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, BUT IN YORK STATE AS WELL.
WE HAVE, YOU HAVE TO, EXCUSE ME, I'M GETTING A LITTLE CHOKED UP.
PUBLIC SPEAKING IS NOT THE EASIEST THING IN TRUST ME.
THAT'S WHY THEY GAVE THIS, THIS IS SO MUCH MORE THAN A BUSINESS TO US.
AND WHAT I HAVEN'T WE HAD INVESTED IS IT'S DIFFICULT TO ARTICULATE.
SO WE'VE WE'VE WRITTEN MOST OF IT DOWN THAT
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I COULD STAY ON TRACK AND GET, GET THROUGH WHAT I RIGHT.UM, BUT THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE OBVIOUSLY IS WE ARE REQUESTING SPECIAL TOWN HAMPER.
WE HAVE YEARS OF WORK TO THE STATE.
AND SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN HELP OUT HERE.
SO BASICALLY IT IS AN EXISTING BUILDING IN THE TOWN OF HAMPER AND, UM, YOU ARE GOING TO BE ADDING YOUR BUSINESS INTO THAT BUILDING.
THERE'S GOING TO BE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS THERE GONNA BE ANOTHER BUSINESS WITH IT OR IT'S GONNA BE SOLELY YOUR STORE? THE OTHER HALF OF THE BUILDING CURRENTLY OUT IS SMOKE.
AND IT'S GONNA STAY THERE FOR RIGHT NOW? CORRECT.
AND THEN IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING WHAT YOU WERE, HOW YOU WERE GONNA DO WITH THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK VALENTI ASKED ABOUT DOING SOMETHING WITH THAT CORNER.
MAYBE IT WAS MEMBER, THERE WAS SOME PROPERTY, GREEN GRASS OR SOMETHING, AND WE SHOWED THE PICTURE.
UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOME LANDSCAPING OUT THERE, BUT BASICALLY THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE SECURE.
YOU WERE ADDING LIGHTING, UM, YOU WERE DOING, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SECURITY MEASURES WITHIN THE BUILDING.
UM, THE HOURS, I THINK YOU WERE RUNNING TILL 9:00 PM IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE GONNA BE OPEN.
SO HOURS TO OPERATION? UM, MONDAY THROUGH SEVENTH.
MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, 8:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT.
AND UM, BASICALLY WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
MS. MS. BROWN, YOU'RE THE CEO, CORRECT? YES.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE AREA? UH, YES.
WE OWN, UM, A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND A ESTATE BROKERAGE YOU'VE MADE OTHER BUSINESS ABOUT.
AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU BOTH HAD SAID THAT YOU WERE NATIVE MADE BUSINESS INVESTMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN FACT, THIS IS THE BURGEONING INDUSTRY IN NEW YORK YEARS AND YEARS TO GET YOUR LICENSE.
FIRST SUITE OF LICENSES JUST BEEN GRANTED.
UM, THERE ARE MAPS FOR, FOR ANYONE'S UNFAMILIAR, THERE ARE MAPS ON HOW MANY DISPENSARIES CAN BE AND THEY HAVE TO BE CERTAIN DISTANCES FROM OTHER ENTITIES OR OTHER DISPENSARIES.
THERE'S LOT OF STATE REGULATIONS HERE.
UH, SO WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE CHANGES IN THE BUILDING, ANY COMMUNITY, CHARACTER, NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN TAKE SOME OF YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON.
BUT, UM, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR I THINK WOULD BE PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION LAST, LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO AS WELL.
YEAH, I REALLY, IT'S ALL RUNNING TOGETHER.
PRESENTATION HAS ALMOST ENTIRE PAGE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
CLEANING UP THE CORNER YOU WERE MENTIONING IS JUST KIND OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
WE TALK ABOUT SOME FLOWERS OR SOME PLANTERS OR SOMETHING A LITTLE PRETTIER ALONG.
SO BASED ON THAT, I THINK WE GET THE, JEFF AND I THINK AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE RESIDENTS, YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO THAT.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SEAT, I'LL HAVE OUR WONDERFUL SECRETARY MEMBERS TO READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE, LEGAL NOTICE, PLANNING BOARD, SITE PLAN APPROVAL, PUBLIC HEARING, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE.
AND HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL BY 7 1 6 CANNABIS LLC TO OPERATE A CANNABIS DISPENSARY AT 5 1 6 1 CAMP ROAD, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 5TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN A SLASH SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
OKAY, JUST TO REITERATE FROM THE AUDIENCE, A PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION ON HOW YOU IMPACTED HOW YOU MAY BE IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT.
A THREE MINUTE RULE WILL APPLY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ENSURING THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE HEARD DURING THE REGIONAL HOURS.
IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
ALL STATEMENTS MADE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS THE CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THE PROJECT WILL BE SENT TO THE DEPARTMENT AND REVIEWED BY
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THE BOARD AND THE APPLICANT AT WHICH TIME THE CONCERN FROM THE PUBLIC WILL BE ADDRESSED.SO, UM, I'M CALLING, I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, UM, IN REGARDS TO AT 5 1 6 1 SHEET AS WELL, IN CASE THERE'S, I'M NOT AGAINST EVERYONE TO CANNABIS.
UM, SIR, YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF, JOSH.
HE, UM, I'M NOT AGAINST THE EVERYONE CANNABIS.
I LIKE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, SAY, UM, CANNABIS IS STILL A SCHEDULE ONE NARCOTIC, NOT FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED.
AND THE DEA DOES RESERVE THE RIGHT TO DO ANY RAISE ON IT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS LEGAL WITH NEW YORK STATE.
ALSO, THERE ARE ONLY LIMITED FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS THAT CAN PROCESS THE SALE OF CANNABIS.
SO MY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, I THEIR SECURITY, ARE THEY GONNA HANDLE MONEY BECAUSE CANNABIS IS A CASH TRANSACTION, SO HOW'S THE CASH GONNA BE STORED ON PREMISES? AND THEN HOW IT GONNA BE MOVED TO SPECIFIC BANK? IT CAN'T BE USED WITH CREDIT CARDS.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW, THERE'S A STREET THAT RUNS RIGHT ALONGSIDE THE BUILDING THAT THEY BOUGHT AND IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.
I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS, HAVE THEY TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT IT SINCE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE OPERATING HOURS IS, UM, LONG AS MIDNIGHT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN MOST LIQUOR STORES HAVE.
I'M ALL FOR ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND I KNOW THEY TALK ABOUT A ROBUST SECURITY SYSTEM, BUT THEY DO NOT TALK ABOUT IF IT'S GONNA BE ADT, IF IT'S GONNA BE SELF MONITORED, WHAT KIND OF SOFTWARE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IN CASE THERE'S A ROBBERY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE DRUG TRADE CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, DIFFICULT AT TIMES.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE RESIDENTS, THEIR EMPLOYEES, EVERYONE WOULD BE PROPERLY PROTECTED.
THEY DO HAVE A VERY SOLID PLAN HERE, WHICH I DO LIKE, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S ON THAT END OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? LAST CALL FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON SEVEN SIX CANNABIS AT 5 1 6 1 CAMP.
SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE PETITIONER OR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP.
SO WOULD YOU, UM, ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF ANSWERING THE QUESTION FROM THE GENTLEMAN? UM, YES, ACTUALLY WE COULD.
SO TWO OF THE RESIDENTS DIRECTLY BEHIND US, UM, ONE OF THEM IS A CURRENT EMPLOYEE AND HIS, AND THE NEXT ONE BEHIND HIM IS HIS MOTHER'S HOUSE.
UM, SO WE HAVE TALKED TO IN ADDITION, ADDITION LIKE THAT IS THE POINT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO YES, WE HAVE TALKED TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WE'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THAT AS FAR AS HOW WE HANDLE CASH THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE SECURITY PLAN AND SECURITY TRANSPORTS WITH CAN WOULD BE THE SAME AS CASH UNMARKED VEHICLES LOADED INTO SECURITY BAY.
WE DON'T SCHEDULE, THERE'S COMPANY HIRED, IT EXISTS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SEPARATE COMPANY THAT THAT'S GONNA HANDLE THE CASH.
THERE'S A CASH CARRIER COMPANY.
WHAT ABOUT THE SECURITY SYSTEM? WHO DOES IT REPORT TO? IT'S 20, IT'S 24 HOUR LIVE MONITOR.
SO AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY, IN ADDITION TO THE STAFF THAT'S ON, THERE'S ALSO SEPARATE MONITORING AGENTS WATCHING ALL OF THE ZONES BUILDING INCLUDING THE VAULT DASHBOARD AREA IN IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S SELF-CONTAINED IS WIRED LIKE FORT KNOX.
BUT WE WERE, I MEAN LIKE IF YOU GUYS AREN'T THERE, IT, IT DOESN'T GO TO A DT OR GUARDIAN? IT'S, NO, IT'S, IT, THE COMPANY IS NOT A DT.
UM, IT'S 24 HOUR LIVE MONITOR EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS POINT? I DO.
TRACY, THE HOURS OF BUSINESS THAT THE NEIGHBORS AWARE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT, THEY'RE SIMILAR TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
MCDONALD'S, WENDY'S RV'S, MCDONALD'S
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FOUR'S, BUT THEY'RE USUALLY JUST A DRIVE THROUGH AT NIGHT.SO PEOPLE WOULD PULL IT IN MCDONALD'S OR PUTTING THEIR ORDER IN, GETTING IT AND LEAVE.
WE'D BE YOU'D BE CLOSED AT THAT AT THAT TIME.
THAT WOULD BE DRIVE, THAT'S ALL I, OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE? IT'S NOT THE MOST RELEVANT QUESTION.
IS THAT TRUE? YOU CAN'T TAKE CREDIT OR DEBIT CARDS.
THERE'S A LOT OF STEREOTYPES IN THIS OUT THERE.
YOU COULD ONLY DO DEBIT, RIGHT? OR CASH.
ANYONE ELSE? MEMBER? UM, NOW THIS IS JUST A DISPENSARY, RIGHT? PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COME IN AND PARTAKE INTO YOUR FACILITY CONSUMPTION.
NO CONSUMPTION NOT BY, BY INSIDE AND OUTSIDE PROPERTY IN THE TOWN.
UM, JOSH, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? UH, WE CLOSED THE, WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UM, WE CAN TABLE THEM.
UH, DO YOU WANNA DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING? YEAH.
DO WE HAVE ROOM FOR THEM ON THE, UH, BOTH THEM IN FOR THE 19TH.
THEY'RE PART OF THE EIGHTH PART.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RESOLUTION OKAY.
AND THEN IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD, WE CAN, UM, LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION.
SO YOU'LL COME BACK ON THE 19TH AND BUILD THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WE'LL, UM, DRAFT THE RESOLUTION FOR US TO GRANT APPROVAL, WHICH IS THE FINAL STEP.
SO YOU CAN TAKE, UM, SO WE'LL SEE YOU BACK HERE ON THE 19TH.
UM, OUR THIRD CASE ON THE AGENDA, ANDERSON DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN TABLED UNTIL FEBRUARY 19.
UM, APPLICANT ASKED THAT THE PROJECT BE TABLED.
UM, AND SO EVEN THOUGH THEY ON THE AGENDA, WE COULDN'T REMOVE THEM.
THE AGENDA HAD ALREADY BEEN, WHICH WILL TAKE US TO OUR FINAL ACT THIS EVENING.
OUR FAVORITE PRESENT, PRESENT PRESENTER, UM, KNOWN WORLDWIDE ROCK FROM WENDELL
UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE BE A LITTLE MORE, UM, A LITTLE MORE ENTERTAINING, RIGHT? SO TONIGHT, JOSH, WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US? SO I HAVE A CONTINUING CONTINUATION OF A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AT OUR MEETING ON THE 22ND.
UM, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'RE GOING OVER SOME ZONING CODE UPDATES, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE CFA GRANT THAT THE TOWN IS DOING, LOOKING AT MALL AND BILL STADIUM.
AND THERE ARE OTHER ZONING UPDATE UPDATES THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS DOING.
AND SPECIFICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH, UH, SITE PLAN REVIEW AND SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
UM, A TOTAL OVERHAUL OF BOTH OF THOSE REGULATIONS.
UM, IF YOU GUYS RECALL LAST TIME, UH, I WENT OVER THE INTRODUCTION, THE PURPOSE, THE APPLICABILITY, AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WAIVER SECTION.
UM, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO HAVE DREW, UM, KIND OF GO OVER SUBDIVISION.
UM, HE'S AT ANOTHER MEETING IN THE VILLAGE RIGHT NOW, SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, BUT OVER THE NEXT 30 MINUTES, IF HE COMES THEN WE CAN KIND OF SUBDIVISION.
IF NOT, UM, I'LL FINISH OUT SITE PLAN REVIEW, GET YOUR GUYS' RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL HAVE ONE LAST MEETING ON SUBDIVISION IF YOU UNABLE, UNABLE TO COME.
SO DOES THAT SOUND OKAY TO THE BOARD? WE CAN ALSO EMAIL YOU DIRECTLY WITH ANY COMMENTS, OF COURSE.
SO WITH THAT I'LL GO INTO, UH, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, UM, DISCUSSION OR AT LEAST CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD FROM THE LAST TIME.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, WE WENT OVER INCLUDING AN INTRODUCTION, INCLUDING, UH, AN APPLICABILITY SECTION THAT WE
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DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR SITE PLAN REVIEW LAW.WE WENT OVER KIND OF CHANGING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW WAIVER, WHICH WE'RE GONNA CALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WAIVER.
UM, AND THERE'S STILL, UH, A NUMBER OF SECTIONS, UH, THAT WE KIND OF WANTED TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD BEFORE WE TAKE IT BACK, UM, TO THE NON CFA DON CODE UPDATE COMMITTEE.
UM, WHERE I WANNA START IS TALK ABOUT SOME SECTIONS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THEM.
SO IF YOU GUYS, UH, NOTICE, UM, ON THE, THE DOCUMENT OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW SECTION OF THE CODE 2 83 0 9 IS THE PROCEDURE FOR WAIVER, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THIS SECTION.
THIS INVOLVES NOTIFICATIONS, SIGNAGE, TIMEFRAME, REMOVING OLD SECRET LANGUAGE.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY TOUCHED ON THIS PREVIOUSLY.
IF YOU GUYS RECALL, I GAVE UH, A PRESENTATION ON THIS WHERE WE KIND OF TOUCHED IT UP.
WE REMOVED THE MANDATE FOR SIGNS AND CHANGED SOME OF THE, UH, THE TIMEFRAME NOTIFICATIONS.
SO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO JUST INCORPORATE FROM THAT PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE GIVEN US COMMENTS.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA FOCUS HEAVILY ON THAT SECTION.
ONE THING THAT I DID WANNA FOCUS ON, UM, THAT'S OUT OF 2 83 0 9, IS WHETHER THIS BOARD WANTS TO ADD A SECTION ABOUT THE REQUIRED SKETCH PLAN PROCESS.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND DOESN'T HAVE A FULL SITE PLAN READY YET, DOESN'T HAVE FULLY ENGINEERED DRAWING, BUT KIND OF WANTS TO COME TO THE BOARD AT A WORK SESSION AND WANTS TO PRESENT A CONCEPTUAL UH, IDEA, THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE A RENDER YET, BUT THEY WANNA JUST COME PRESENT THEIR IDEAS AND WHAT THEY HAVE FOR THIS BOARD.
TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE PUT THEM ON A WORK SESSION, WE KIND OF TAKE WHATEVER THEY GOT AND WE KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS, GIVE THEM YOUR DIRECTION AND THEN IF THEY'RE READY TO SUBMIT A FULL SITE PLAN, WE TABLE THEM AND ASK FOR FULL SITE PLAN AND EAF AND ALL THE STANDARD MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE.
OR IF THEY STILL NEED TO WORK SOME THINGS OUT, WE TABLE THEM INDEFINITELY AND WE LET THEM TELL US WHEN THEY WANNA COME BACK.
UM, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, WE'RE GIVING THE BOARD KIND OF THE OPTION TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER WE WANNA SPECIFY WHETHER WE HAVE A MINOR SITE PLAN AND THAT MAJOR SITE PLAN, WHICH I SAID WE DON'T NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A MAJOR CHANGE.
SO WE'RE STILL GONNA KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD.
BUT, UM, THE FIRST THING THAT I WANNA PRESENT IS THAT THIS BOARD THINK THAT WE NEED A SPECIFIC SECTION SPEAKING TO THAT SKETCH PLAN PROCESS OF DO WE WANNA REQUIRE SOMETHING, IF SOMEBODY COMES TO SKETCH PLAN, DO WE WANNA KIND OF LEAVE IT AS IS WHERE THEY KIND OF PRESENT WHATEVER THEY GOT AND YOU GUYS JUST GIVE THEM SOME FEEDBACK ON IT.
DO YOU WANNA CODIFY IT IN THE CODE THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA COME FOR SKETCH PLAN YOU NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST X, Y AND Z? OR JUST WHAT YOUR GENERAL THOUGHTS ARE ON THE SKETCH PLAN PROCESS? IT STANDS NOW, I'M GONNA LOOK AT THIS UNDER THE TABLE JUST AND SEE WHAT YOU THREE HAVE ANY IDEA.
WELL, SOMETIMES PEOPLE THAT COME IN, THEY'RE, THE IDEA IS SEE WHAT WE THINK AND IF IT'S A COMPLETE NO GO, THEN WE JUST CALL IT QUITS AT THAT POINT IN TIME, RIGHT? SO TO HAVE SOMEBODY GO THROUGH THAT AND FORCE THEM TO SPEND SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY, I THINK IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST TO GO RATHER THINKING OF THE, THE TAYLOR ROAD SOLAR PLANT, THE MARGIN ON THAT AREN'T VERY GREAT.
I THINK THE GUY CAME BY AND WE FOR SOME THINGS CAN AFFORD IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA DIS PEOPLE FROM DOING THAT IF WE GIVE THEM TOO.
BUT DO LIKE THE, THE PHASE, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN ALSO DETERMINE IF A SITE PLAN WAIVER MAY BE THE PROCESS TO BE UTILIZED.
I DON'T THINK I DO LIKE THAT PART, BUT AS FAR AS THROWING IN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, I WOULD SAY, JUST FOR CONTEXT, SO WHAT BILL'S REFERRING TO IS IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THIS DOCUMENT JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT SO WHAT'S IN THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE WHAT'S NOT IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.
THAT WAS A SUGGESTION OUTTA, UH, DREW AND I ALSO SPEAKING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS OF THE TOWN OF WHAT IF THE BOARD DOES WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE OF CODIFYING, YOU KNOW, THE PITCH PLAN PROCESS INTO UH, TOWN CODE, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT SOME OF THOSE PARAMETERS.
SO WHAT, WHAT BILL'S REFERRING TO IS THAT IF WE DID HAVE A SPECIFIC SECTION OF THE CODE THAT SPOKE TO A REQUIRED PITCH PLAN PROCESS, THAT IT WOULD KIND OF GIVE AN OUTLINE OF WHAT THOSE MATERIALS ARE.
UM, AND THEN DURING THE SKETCH PLAN PHASE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD COULD DETERMINE WHETHER A SITE PLAN WAIVER MIGHT ACTUALLY SPEED UP THE PROCESS AND HAVING THEM, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM GO THROUGH THE ALL THE HOOPS OF GOING THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW.
IF THE PROJECT LEADS THAT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WAIVER PROCESS AND YOU GUYS CAN GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO SEND THEM ON THE WAY AT THE SKETCH PLANNING, HOW
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IS IT WORDED NOW IN THE CODE? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IN NOT, NOT AT ALL.ADD A SECTION TO GET THAT STUFF.
YEAH, I'M BILL LIKE LITTLE SMALL FOR ME TO SEE, BUT UM, I'M, I'M READING IT.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY HELPFUL PROCESS AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM FOR, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM TO CODIFY IT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT BE LIKE A, A MAY, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
FOR AS EASY AS IT'S FOR LIKE THE SOLAR GUY TO COME AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE CHRIS WHO'S HERE EVERY WEEK DOES NOT NEED TO GO THROUGH GUEST PLAN BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE NEEDS A SITE PLAN, RIGHT? THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO RIGHT TO THE APPLICATION.
BUT FOR THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE GRAY OR PEOPLE JUST WANT OUR INFORMATION, I LIKE HAVING THAT SPACE TO JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND HELP THEM PROBLEM SOLVE OR NOT HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO GET OUR ADVICE ON THINGS IF THEY'RE IDEA PHASE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SAYING HAVING A SECTION THAT SPEAKS TO THE REVIEW PROCESS, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING IT BE REQUIRED, IT MAY, YOU MAY WANNA COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO GET PLAN REVIEW AND IF YOU DO, HERE ARE KIND OF THE PARAMETERS OR SOME SUGGESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE RELATIVELY LOW SO WE HAVE MORE LIKELIHOOD OF GIVING INPUT.
I'D RATHER OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT SO THE PEOPLE COME BACK WITH A BETTER APPLICATION OR REALIZE MAYBE THAT THEY'RE EMBARKING ON A PROBLEM.
YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GREAT POINT.
BECAUSE IF THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON SOMETHING THEY'RE BE IN NOT CHANGE CERTAIN THINGS.
I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY IN THIS PROCESS TO START INQUIRING STUFF LIKE THAT.
I I BUT HALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD IN THE WORK SESSION ARE DEVELOPERS THAT COME WITH THEIR ATTORNEY THAT EXPLAIN THE ATTORNEYS KNOW WHAT THE THOUGHT THAT IS.
AND I'M SURE WHEN THE NOT USING THE, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE PRIOR TO CANNABIS, WHEN THEY CALLED TO START THE PROCESS ROLLING, I'M SURE SARAH OR JOSH EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA BE TO BE IN THE WORK SESSIONS AND YOU KNOW, SO THEY KNEW WHEN THEY CAME, THEY KNEW WHAT THEY HAD TO INITIALLY HAVE.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY THEY CAME WITH THIS, WHICH IS VERY IMPRESSIVE, BUT I'M GOING BACK TO THEIR VERY FIRST TIME HERE, WHICH WAS MY VERY FIRST, UH, MEETING, UH, BACK ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, THEY HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA AS TO WHAT THEY WERE EXPLAINING WHAT THEIR GOAL WAS, UH, WHERE THE PROPERTY WAS LOCATED.
UM, SO I, I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW WHAT JOSH IS SAYING, UM, BUT I, I'M PRETTY SURE THE AVERAGE ENTREPRENEUR THAT COMES TO THE BOARD IS GIVEN AN IDEA AS TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND I KNOW THAT IN THEIR BUSINESS PLAN, IF THEY WANNA GO INTO BUSINESS, THEY HAVE TO, THEY, THEY BETTER KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING IN THEIR BUSINESS PLAN AND WHAT THEIR MISSION IS GONNA BE AND WHAT THEIR VISION IS GONNA BE FOR THEIR PARTICULAR BUSINESS.
AND TO THAT POINT, AVI, I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF OUR SKETCH CONVERSATIONS ARE AESTHETIC.
IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE, DO YOU LIKE THIS LIGHTING? I'M THINKING OF THIS DESIGN FOR THE BUILDING.
THEY HAVE ALL THOSE, THE GROUNDWORK DONE.
THEY'RE OFTEN JUST LIKE BEFORE I LIKE HAVE MY DESIGNER BUILD THIS, DO YOU LIKE THIS COLOR SEAT KIND OF STUFF TOO.
SO IT CAN BE VERY SUPERFICIAL.
HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT, IF WE WERE TO ADD A SECTION PUT ABOUT THE STATE PLAN PROCESS IN TERMS OF SUBMITTAL THIS LANGUAGE THAT WE SAY SUPPORT AND THIS IS HOW WE'LL KIND OF READ, OBVIOUSLY WE TOUCH IT UP, BUT FOR STATE PLAN APPLICATION, APPLICANT SHALL COMPLETE THE SKETCH PLAN APPLICATION FORM TO BE PROVIDED BY THE TOWN AND THE APPROPRIATE FEE AT LEAST 14 DAYS PRIOR TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
ALTHOUGH THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR A SKETCH PLAN, SUBMITTAL, THE APPLICATION SUPPLY AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THE SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY AND A SKETCH OF WHAT IS PROPOSED WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT AND ANY OTHER MATERIALS THAT COULD FURTHER OUTLINE THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
THE PURPOSE OF SKETCH PLAN REVIEW IS TO ASSIST THE APPLICANT WITH UNDERSTANDING ANY CONCERNS OF THE PLANNING BOARD APPLICATION REQUIREMENT AND INTERPRETATION OF THE TYPE OF PROJECT WAIVER, MINOR SITE PLAN OR MAJOR SUBJECT.
SO IS THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CLEAR CUT IN OUR CURRENT CODE? YES, I, I LIKE THAT.
I DON'T LIKE SO DON'T THEY PAY A FEE THOUGH WHEN THEY COME TO THE WORK SESSION? THERE'S PLAN FEE, THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING A FEE.
THERE IS SCHEDULING FEE THERE.
OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT A NEW, THAT'S NOT A NEW, THAT'S NOT ANOTHER FEE THAT THEY'RE PAYING.
YEAH, IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL FEE.
THEY, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN WHAT IT DOES SPELL IT OUT.
IT SPELLS OUT WHAT THE, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE PEOPLE ASK WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PLAN AND JUST SHOWING UP BOARD, YOU KNOW, WITH WITHDRAWN.
SO SPECIFYING THAT IF YOU'RE UNSURE OR IF YOU JUST WANT PLAYING BOARD INPUT OR IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SUBMIT, HERE'S AT LEAST A VERY BASIC GUIDE OF
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WHAT COULD, AND LIKE YOU SAID, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT YOU KNOW, SAYING MAY INSTEAD OF SHOULD OR REQUIRES.YEAH, I THINK IF THAT COULD GET AN INTRO PARAGRAPH THAT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE MAY WORLD, LIKE THIS IS UH, YOU KNOW, A PROCESS THAT LIKE COULD BE DONE FOR X, Y, Z REASON OR EVEN JUST IN THAT PERCENT SENTENCE, LIKE IF THEY CHOOSE TO GO THROUGH SKETCH PLANS, THIS IS THE PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS NOT RIGHT, THAT'S OPTIONAL.
BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT, THEN YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE THE FORM AND SAY THE FEE.
YOU GOT IT WRITTEN WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT YOU DO NOT MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S WRITTEN.
YEAH, IF I WERE THE LANGUAGE, IT JUST NEED SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THIS VOLUNTARY PROCESS, THEN THIS IS WHAT YOU FOLLOW.
I WOULD LIKE, SO UNDER SITE PLAN, WE'VE GOT AN ELECTRONIC COPY OF THESE MATERIALS MUST ALSO BE PROVIDED.
SO IN SKETCH PLAN IF WE COULD SAY AN ELECTRONIC COPY OF THESE MATERIALS IS ENCOURAGED OR MAYBE LIKE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DO REQUIREMENTS, I DON'T WANNA SAY MUST, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE GOT ELECTRONIC AND DO THE LITTLE DRAWING, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT IT MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT IT BE EASIER TO DO IT ON A COMPUTER AND NOT SEE IT ON THERE AND THINK THEY GOTTA DO IT AS THEY HAVE OR SOMETHING.
JUST PUT IT AS AN OPTION SO PEOPLE, IT'S CLEAR THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT IT ELECTRONICALLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME ALSO.
SO I, WITH THAT, THERE SHOULD BE A SUGGESTION THAT APPLICANTS SHOULD CONSIDER SUBMITTING ELECTRONIC COPIES FOR THE SCHEDULING COURT.
PEOPLE ARE PAID TO BE LAWYERS.
UM, BUT YOU GUYS GET THE IDEA, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE NEXT SECTION, AND THIS ONE INVOLVES QUITE A BIT IS THIS IS THE ACTUAL SUBMISSION OF REAL QUICK.
SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO UM, THE, I GUESS I'M NOT TOTALLY CLEAR WHERE THAT NEW SECTION YOU WERE JUST GOING WITHIN 89, SO 2 83 0 9 IF I JUST GO BACK UP.
ALL, ALL OF THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY SAID, BUT ALL THIS IS BEING CHANGED BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER THIS AREA, LIKE ITS ABOUT THE, AND THIS TALKS ABOUT IF WE GO FURTHER, SO IF YOU GO B AND THEN UM, SECOND, THIRD SENTENCE, THE APPLICANT CAN APPEAR UP TO TWO TIMES BEFORE, TWO TIMES BEFORE THE PLAN FOR THE P TO GET INPUT AFTER THAT PLAN AND WILL BE REQUIRED.
SHOULD THAT BE ADDITIONAL WILL BE REQUIRED BECAUSE I'M JUST CONFUSED AS TO WHERE THAT THE SECTION YOU WERE LIKE THE SEQUENCE OF THAT SAYING LIKE YOU WOULD BE, YOU NEED THE FEE WITH THIS.
YEAH, SO THIS, THIS SECTION WILL GO UNDERNEATH, SO THIS WOULD BE REMOVED TO UNDER, LIKE HOW IT'LL READ IS IT'LL HAVE AN INTRO BUT WHICH WILL ADD KIND OF SPEAKING TO LIKE MARGO SUGGESTED SPEAKING TO UM, SKETCH BY SUBMITTAL.
THEN WE'LL HAVE, THIS WILL MOVE UP.
SO THIS WILL BE PART OF 2 83 0 9.
SO YOU'LL KNOW THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE A FEE TO START WITH, RIGHT? YEAH.
BECAUSE NOT KNOWING THAT AND THEN READING THAT I WAS LIKE, YEAH, SO THE ORDER, THE ORDER OF THIS WILL CHANGE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD IN THAT NEW SECTION SAYS AFTER A NEW SKETCH PLAN AND ADDITIONAL FEE WILL BE REQUIRED.
SO THAT CLEARLY YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS AGAIN? YEP.
NOW FOR 2 83 11, THIS IS THE ACTUAL SUBMISSION OF A FULL SITE PLAN TO THE BOARD FOR REVIEW AND OTHER SUPPORTIVE DATA.
UM, SO AS THIS READS EVEN WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS, THIS IS CURRENTLY WHAT IS BEEN 2 83 11 AS OF NOW ONLY THAT HAS UH, NOT IN THERE IS IF IT SAYS THIS MEANS UH, UPDATING, THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE HAVE ADDED.
I'LL GO THROUGH THEM AS THE RELEVANT.
BUT AS THIS READS RIGHT NOW, THIS IS RIGHT OUT OF 2 8 3 11.
UM, SO FOR STARTERS, A OUT 2, 8, 3 11 IS AS OF RIGHT NOW IT SAYS APPLICANT OR THEIR AGENT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE, OF HIS AGENT.
UM, SHALL SUBMIT NINE COPIES OF APPLICATION FORM FIGURE PART ONE APPLICATION FEE.
YOU DETERMINE WRITE IT DOWN AND AN APPLICATION.
I DUNNO IF THAT SAYS IT TWICE.
UM, AND THEN AN ELECTRONIC COPY OF THESE MATERIALS MUST ALSO BE SUBMITTED.
WE HIGHLIGHTED THIS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THIS NEEDED SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, UM, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE PLAINTIFF BOARD, JUST SEE IF THERE WERE ANY, ANYTHING THAT JUMPED OUT AT YOU.
JUST OFF OF THIS FIRST PARAGRAPH HERE, NINE ENGINEERING PLANNING, THE SEVEN MEMBERS OF BOARD THAT, BUT IT ONLY APPLIES TO THE APPLICATION
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OF THE APPLICATION FORM ALL THE REQUIRED TOWN FORM SPEAKER.NO, IT SAYS US SPEAKER EAS AND APPLICATION FEE.
THERE'S NO AND FOR OTHER TOWN FORMS IN ANY EVENT.
UM, JOSH, I THINK I WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM, FROM YOU ALL WHAT THIS PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE I CAN GIVE YOU ADVICE ON LIKE ARE PEOPLE SUBMITTING EVERYTHING ONLINE? SAY DO YOU HAVE TO GET IT HARD COPY? I THINK ANY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS INPUT ON THIS ONE AND IF SEVEN OF THE NINE ARE FOR US, WE DON'T GET HARD COPIES BECAUSE YEAH.
SUGGEST THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WENT OUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, DEPARTMENT ENGINEERING.
NO, I WAS GONNA SAY IS CURRENTLY WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE MOVED SIGNIFICANTLY TOWARDS MORE ELECTRONIC SPECIFIC COPIES.
SO WE DO STATE HIGHER COPIES BECAUSE WE NEED SOME SIGN BY THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR.
UM, I KNOW THE CAB LIKES HARD COPIES, ENGINEERING LIKES HARD COPIES, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LIKES HARD COPIES.
BUT IF YOU GUYS KNOW, LIKE I USED TO PUT HARD COPIES IN A MANILA FOLDER TO YOU GUYS, WE'VE COMPLETELY DONE AWAY WITH THAT.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF NUMBER, EITHER CHANGE THE NUMBER OBVIOUSLY FROM NINE OR MAYBE NOT EVEN REQUIRE A SPECIFIC NUMBER AND JUST SAY HARD COPIES FOR RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS MIGHT BE A CHANGE OR QUESTION.
THE NUMBER SHOULD BE WHAT THE NUMBER THAT YOU NEED.
BUT NOT COUNTING SEVEN FOR US BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF HAVING A, WHETHER WE SAY NINE OR SEVEN OR FIVE, WE MAY NOT EVEN NEED WHATEVER NUMBER WE PUT IN THERE ANYWAY.
SO MAYBE HAVING LANGUAGE THAT SAYS AS NEEDED OR AS REQUESTED OR FOUR RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS NEED A MINIMUM OF THAT.
WE PROBABLY NEED A MINIMUM OF THREE FOR ENGINEERING.
ONE TO SIGN AND ONE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RIGHT? ELECTRONICALLY OR DO YOU NO, I NEED A PAPER COPY.
AT LEAST ONE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS IT.
SO NOW WE'RE UP TO THREE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE PUBLIC VIEW, IF THEY BE SIGNED, THREE ARE, BUT THE THREE PER SIGNATURE CAN COME ONCE THEY RECEIVE ENGINEERING APPROVAL.
RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WAY IF THEY COME HERE WITH MULTIPLE COPIES AND YOU GUYS SAY WE WANNA CHANGE IT IN LANDSCAPING, PARKING, SOMETHING MOVES, RIGHT? THE FINAL VERSION THAT WE SIGN, I ALWAYS TRY TO GET AS CLOSE TO THE END AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
SO THOSE THREE SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THE INITIAL NO, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE PART OF THE INITIAL APPLICATION AND THEY'RE REQUESTED LATER.
SO YOU'RE KIND OF BACK TO AS REQUESTED BECAUSE FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE WATER AND SEWER APPROVAL, THOSE SOMETIMES TAKE THEM MONTH.
SO WHEN WE'RE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, DO I REALLY WANNA PULL OUT THREE COPIES AND HOPE THAT THAT THEY SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY EVEN CAME BEFORE YOU GUYS AND KNOW THAT IT'S LATE? NO, I REQUEST NEW ONE RIGHT BEFORE BUT THAT GO BACK NEED ONE FOR PUBLIC VIEW FOR THE FINAL.
SO WE, WE NEED A MINIMUM NUMBER.
SO A MINIMUM OF AND MORE AS REQUESTED.
I'M WITH BILL, I'M GONNA LET THE PEOPLE DETERMINE PROCESS.
WE WERE JUST GUESSING A MINIMUM OF IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION IN THE BACKUP FORTH PLEASE THAT GOOD.
IS THERE, ARE THERE OTHER, YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT THIS SECTION NEEDED SUBSTANTIAL REVISION.
CAN YOU MAYBE CLARIFY FOR US WHAT THE SPECIFIC ISSUES YOU THERE ARE SECTION YOU WANNA APPLY FROM? YES.
SO ALL OF, SO FROM THIS IS STILL UNDER UH, 2 83 11 UNDER SUBSECTION A OF WHAT'S REQUIRED TO BE SUBJECT TO BOARD.
SO IT SAYS COPY OF SITE, PLAN PREPARED, UM, AND HAVE A SEAL SIGNATURE, A LICENSE ARCHITECT AND, AND THEN THESE MATERIALS WILL BE, WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IN A SCALE APPROVED BY THE TOWN ACCOMPANIED BY
GOES INTO DETAIL THAT YOU NEED A SURVEY, UH, A SITE PLAN SHOWING PROPOSED LOTS SPOTS, LOCATIONS, BOTH USES FIRING, EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS, AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SITE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, LANDSCAPING PLANS, AND THEN IT CONTINUES.
UM, SO THIS IS ONE THAT WE SUGGEST ADDING IF REQUESTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, A VISUALIZATION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND HOW THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING WILL
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PROPOSED LANDSCAPING WILL HELP BUFFER OR IMPROVE THE CHARACTER OF THE VISUAL IMPACT ANALYSIS.PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING PLANS.
CAN YOU LOOK BACK UP TO THE AERIAL ONE? YEAH.
IS THAT ALREADY IN THERE? THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T EVER GET THE AERIAL WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
WE ALWAYS JUST GET THE PROPERTY PROPER.
AND SO I WOULD LOVE TO ENFORCE THAT A LITTLE MORE.
I WAS GONNA SAY SURROUNDING LIKE IF IT'S LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, ALL ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT YOU'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, LOT TO LOT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE WITH THE SOLAR RIGHT, YOU SAW THAT A BUT LIKE THE CONTEXT OF YOU KNOW, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE LINES BUT NOT WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSE WAS.
WE'RE ALWAYS GOOGLE MAPPING STUFF, RIGHT? AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THIS SITE AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET IT SURROUNDING, WE'VE GOT THE EDGE THAT THE BUS THERE, BUT WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BIGGER THAT WE MAY NEED HELP DEFINING BECAUSE WE WANNA, WHAT WE, WHAT WE REALLY WANNA SEE IS HOW THIS WE LOOK IN RELATION TO NOT JUST, NOT JUST WHAT'S FIVE FEET OFF PROPERTY.
SOMETHING COULD SAY TECHNICALLY MEET THAT CRITERIA.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? MM-HMM.
UM, SEVEN IS ALREADY IN UH, THE PLAN REGULATION EIGHT IS PRELIMINARY ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND ELEVATIONS TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
THIS CURRENTLY ISN'T SITE PLAN REVIEW.
SO THIS IS A SUGGESTION THAT WE'VE ADDED.
UH, NINE IS ALREADY IN THEIR CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING TIME SCHEDULE FOR COMPLETION OF EACH PHASE FOR BUILDING SPARK SPACES, LANDSCAPE AREAS.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO SUGGESTED ADDING 10 OTHER INFORMATION THAT DETERMINED BY THAT PITCH PLAN PHASE.
SO IF THERE'S A LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, A LIGHTING PLAN THAT WE DIDN'T ADD THAT WAS ASKED FROM YOU GUYS FROM THE SKETCH PLAN OR ANYTHING FROM THAT SKETCH PLAN THAT YOU WANTED TO DETERMINE THAT THEY SHOULD SUBMIT FROM THE FULL SITE PLAN, HAVING THAT LITTLE CLAUSE IN THERE THAT YOU ASKED FOR AND THAT YOU WOULD WANNA SEE IT AS PART OF THE PLAN APPLICATION, THEN IF THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE COMPLETE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? INTERESTING THINGS WE COULD DO WITH THAT TOO.
UM, I WILL TAKE THAT AND RUN WITH IT.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DREW, BUT JUST FOR RATIFICATION, WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE SECTIONS TO TOUCH ON.
UM, MAINLY SOME THINGS THAT WE THINK THAT CAN REMOVE THAT WE'LL HAVE CAM KIND OF SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE MINIMUM DRIVEWAY SPACING STANDARDS AND OTHER ENGINEERING STANDARDS.
AND THEN, UM, A LOT OF IT IS STUFF THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT.
AND THEN WHAT WE ALSO WANT TO KIND OF GO OVER OUR CRITERIA FOR REVIEW OF APPROVALS, SO THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT.
UM, LANDSCAPING, INSTALLATION, CERTIFICATIONS, SITE PLAN REVISION AND, AND UH, SO PLAN REVISION IS, UH, SECTION THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON ADDING, UM, WITH SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT WE FEEL THAT MIGHT BE ADDRESSED.
WE'LL SAVE THAT SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY, WHICH I ALREADY BUILT INTO THE SCHEDULE, SO WE DON'T WANNA HAPPEN.
SO WE HAVE EIGHT CASES INCLUDING, UH, ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT FINISHING SITE PLAN REVIEW.
THIS IS PART OF THE, THIS IS PART OF THE EIGHT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T GET EMAILS FROM SOME BOARD MEMBERS SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HERE LATER THAN EIGHT.
I'LL TAKE, I'LL TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'LL CLEAN IT UP.
I'LL GO OVER THE SITE PLAN REVIEW WITH YOU STUDY MEETING IN FEBRUARY AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DREW FOR SUBDIVISION.
SO WE'RE GONNA SWITCH GEARS A LITTLE BIT.
I WAS OVER AT THE VILLAGE MEETING THEIR ANNUAL MEETING WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT ALL THE PROJECTS THEY'VE DONE FOR THE YEAR AND WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING FOR THE NEW YEAR AND ALSO ABOUT THE NEW BOA PROJECT THEY'RE DOING.
I DID TELL THEM IT WAS A MISNOMER.
THEY KEEP CALLING IT THE WEST END UH, BOA STUDY.
IT REALLY ENCOMPASSES 50% OF TOWNS.
EVERYTHING FROM THE THROUGHWAY CAMP ROAD THROUGH WE INTERCHANGE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE VILLAGE.
I TOLD 'EM THEY BETTER, BETTER ADVERTISE THAT THIS IS ALSO THE TOWN, HALF THE PROPERTY IN THE STUDY AREAS WITHIN THE TOWN.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE INVOLVEMENT IN THAT.
SO LET YOUR NEIGHBORS AND STUFF KNOW ANYBODY THAT OWN THE PROPERTY NEAR OR IS INTERESTED IN THAT.
DIFFERENT THAN THE VILLAGE IS DOING OWN BASICALLY CAMP FREEWAY INTO THE VILLAGE.
I TOLD, I TOLD JOSH I HAD COME OUT CELEBRATING SUBDIVISION
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WORK SESSION NON BUILDABLE LOT, THOSE NON BUILDABLE LOT.I HAVE A, AT THE BACK OF THIS HANDOUT, THEY, THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS ABOUT NEW YORK STATE AND WHAT THIS ONE COUNTY DID.
THE COUNTY PROBLEM, WHAT HAPPENS WITH UNBILLABLE LOTS IS PEOPLE, YOU CAN GO AND DIVIDE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, GET AN ATTORNEY, BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, PUT REGISTERED DOWNTOWN AT THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY WILL ADD IT TO THE MASS HAND THING AND THEN THE PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN BUY PROPERTY OR WHATEVER.
NOT BILLABLE LOT, THEY'RE NOT FILLED THE, THEY WEREN'T APPROVED.
THERE'S A FORM ON THE CHECK ON THE THING.
WHEN YOU SEND IT TO THE COUNTY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FILLED OUT BY AN ATTORNEY.
DOES THIS REQUIRE LOCAL APPROVAL? I WENT TO SEE THEM DOWN THERE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T EVEN CHECK THE BOX AND THE PERSON AT THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE SAID NOT.
I TAKE THE FORMS AND I TAKE THE MONEY AND I FILE IT LITERALLY.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU GET ALL THESE ILLEGAL.
WE PROBABLY HAVE TAKING A FORM IF YOU DON'T LOOK I KNOW WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF FILLING OUT A FORM? SO WHAT, WHY ARE YOU HERE TONIGHT? I'M HERE JUST TO MAKE SURE, HELP JOSH WITH, YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN GETTING YOUR INPUT ON THE SITE PLAN REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS ARE AS IMPORTANT.
WE DO A LESS LARGE SCALE SUBDIVISION, BUT SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
SO YOU HAVE A MEMO IN THERE, YOU HAVE A COPY OF WHAT THE LAST MEETING OF SOME OF THE AREAS WE THINK WE'RE GONNA UPDATE IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATION.
EVEN PART OF THAT, A COUPLE SECTIONS OF THE STATE.
AND REMEMBER EVERYTHING YOU DO IN LOCAL LAW IS ENABLED BY THE STATE FOR SUBDIVISION LAW.
THERE'S FIVE SECTIONS OF OF OF NEW YORK STATE LAW THAT AFFECT HOW YOU REGULATE SUBDIVISIONS.
AND YOU MUST FOLLOW THOSE, THOSE LEGISLATION YOU DO HAVE HOME RULE AND YOU CAN EXPAND UPON THOSE BUT THE MINIMUM THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO.
SO I DID PUT THAT IN THERE AT LEAST THE TWO UPFRONT.
ONE SECTION OF THE STATE'S LEGISLATION JUST TO GET YOU.
SO HOW INTERESTING, SOFTBALL COUNTY HAS THEIR OWN SECTION IN THE NEW YORK STATE, NEW YORK STATE LAW ALLOWING THEM TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO ALLOW SOFTBALL COMMUNITIES AND SOFTBALL COUNTY TO DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND THEY ACTUALLY GOT THE LEGISLATION.
IT SHOWS YOU THAT YOU CAN GO AND GET THE LEGISLATURE CHANGE THINGS SO IS JUST WITHOUT DOING IT LIKE JOSH DID THE LAST NAME INTRODUCING, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A COPY OF IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, SOME OF YOU HAVE DEALT WITH THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS HAVE NOT WITH THE SUBDIVISION SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS GO FROM IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, WE'VE ALWAYS DEFINED ANY DIVISION OF OF LAND IS CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION THERE COMMUNITIES IN NEW YORK STATE THAT YOU CAN DIVIDE PROPERTY UP TO THREE OR FOUR TIMES AND NOT BE CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION.
THE COUNTY AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION.
I'VE LOST A FIVE ACRE IN SIZE IN A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS.
UNLESS YOU DO THAT, THEY DON'T CONSIDER A SUBDIVISION AND TECHNICALLY THOSE DON'T HAVE TO BE FILED FOR THE COUNTY AND WHATEVER.
BUT WE DEFINE ANY SPLIT OF LAND AS A SUBDIVISION, WE DO ALLOW SOMEONE TO TAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN A PROPERTY, BREAK IT OFF AND ATTACH IT TO AN ADJOINING PROPERTY.
BUT WE ALWAYS WARN PEOPLE, YES YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT YOU COULD BE CREATING SOME NONCONFORMITY IN YOUR LOT AND WHEN YOU GO TO DO SOMETHING ON THAT LOT, YOU MAY, MAY HAVE CREATED YOUR OWN NONCONFORMITY AND PROBLEM WITH IT.
BUT WE CONSIDER EVERY DIVISION OF LAND IN THE TOWN.
SO WE HAVE AS YOU KNOW, MINOR SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS FOUR OR FEWER LOTS AND WE HAVE MAJOR SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS STANDARD FIVE OR MORE LOTS.
I I TOLD JOSH I'D LIKE TO SAY RIGHT WHAT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS IN THE LAW.
WE, WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE TOWN 30 YEARS AGO, I READ THE SUBDIVISION BOOK AND IT REQUIRED, THIS IS SUSTAIN ENABLING LEGISLATION.
USE PRELIMINARY PLAT TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THEN THEY WENT THROUGH WHOLE, THE WHOLE PROCESS OF GETTING A FINAL PLAQUE TOGETHER.
SOMETIMES ACTUALLY BUILDING THE ROADS AND DEDICATING THE ROADS AND WHATEVER.
AND THEN THE TOWN ENGINEER AND THE, AND THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR WOULD SIGN OFF ON THAT FINAL PLA, YOUR LAW AND STATE LAW SAYS IT COMES BACK TO YOU FOR FINAL PLAN APPROVAL.
WE NEVER FOLLOWED WHAT'S IN THAT LAW.
WE CAN KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS NOT TO CHANGE PROCESS OR DETERMINE THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO SEE FINAL PLA IN SOME CASES.
WHAT THE TOWN TOLD ME AT THE TIME IS THAT IF THE FINAL PLAT MATCHED EXACTLY WHAT THE MASE PLA WAS, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF BRINGING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD? IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ANY CHANGES A LOT OF TIMES THE ROADS THAT ARE BUILT AND EVERYTHING, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF COMING BACK? THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PROCEDURAL THINGS.
A LOT OF THE ENABLING LEGISLATION IS ABOUT PROCESS.
YOU'LL FIND THAT THERE'S A LOT IN THERE ABOUT PROCESS.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT PROCESS IS CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD BY YOU AND YOU AGREE AND THE TOWN BOARD AGREES WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
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THE POWER OF SUBDIVISION APPROVAL IN THE TOWN OF TAMPA IN OTHER TOWNS THEY, THEY DIDN'T GRANT THAT POWER.THE TOWN BOARD REMAINS THAT POWER.
YOU'VE BEEN GRANTED THAT POWER.
SO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROCESS.
DO YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH PROCESS? MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCEDURES ARE.
THE OTHER THINGS YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS LIKE WITH THE SITE PLAN REGULATION, I AM STRONGLY RECOMMENDING THERE'S AN ENTIRE SECTION IN THE SUBDIVISION CODE ABOUT, ABOUT ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN THE CODE BECAUSE THEY GET OUT OUTDATED.
THERE'S THINGS IN THAT CODE THAT ARE OUTDATED BUT WE DON'T WANT, EVERY TIME ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS CHANGE CHANGE THAT CODE.
SO WE HAVE AND OTHER PLANNERS HAVE ALWAYS ADVISED THAT YOU REFERENCE THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN YOUR CODE AND THEN GET THEM FROM THE TOWN SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO.
YOU REALIZE IF YOU HAVE 'EM IN YOUR CODE AND YOU CHANGE THEM, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH LOCAL LEVEL LAW ADOPTION, FILE 'EM AND WHATEVER.
STANDARDS THAT YOU CAN'T CHANGE DEATH TO THE, YOU KNOW, HOW OF THE SIZE OF THE ROAD, ALL THOSE THINGS OR YOU CAN'T CHANGE THOSE THINGS.
THAT'S AN ENGINEERING REQUIREMENT OF THE TOWN AND COULD BE OF THE COUNTY AND OTHERS.
SO DEFINITELY PULL A LOT OF THAT STUFF OUT AND LET'S GET THE STUFF IN THE SUBDIVISION REGULATION THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU.
I GAVE YOU THE, THE SECOND PART OF SUBDIVISION LAW 2 77 AND IT TALKS ABOUT THESE THINGS THAT WASN'T IN THERE 30 YEARS AGO OR 40 YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED THIS.
WHICH SUBDIVISION NOW USED TO JUST BE ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
IN THAT SECOND SECTION IT TALKS ABOUT THINGS LIKE AESTHETIC LANDSCAPING AND, AND PARKS AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS LOOK AT IN A MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
DO WE HAVE ENOUGH IN THERE? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I'M JUMPING IT ALL AROUND.
I WANNA GET TO THE BIG ONES AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND WALK THROUGH IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS AND ARE THOSE RULES CORRECT? FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENT, YOU GUYS DEALT WITH IT TWO TREES FOR LOT.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANNA HAVE MORE DISCRETION SAY EVERY SUBDIVISION WE APPROVE THE TOWN ENGINEER OR WHATEVER HAS TO ENSURE THAT TRUE TREES ARE PLANTED AT THE FRONT OF THE FRONT OF THE LOT.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU REALLY THAT'S THAT'S DISCRE.
YOU GUYS CAN DETERMINE IF THE TOWN BOARD THAT RIGHT.
THE OTHER ONE WE'VE HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH, AND IT'S IN THE STATE OF MAKING LEGISLATION, IS THAT THE STATE ALLOWS YOU TO ACTUALLY IN THE NATIVE LEGISLATION TO TAKE PARK LAND WHEN YOU DO SUBDIVISION.
RIGHT? AND FOR YEARS THE TOWN WOULD SAY FOR EVERY SUBDIVISION IN THE TOWN OVER FIVE LOT MAJOR SUBDIVISION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEDICATE SOME LAND TO THE TOWN AS AS RECREATION.
AND MOST OF 'EM TURNED INTO TOP BOX AND PLAYGROUNDS.
AND OVER THE YEARS, I BELIEVE THE TOWN HAS 140 PIECES OF PROPERTY THEY OWN TOWN IS SAYING IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE PROPERTY.
SO IN THE LAW YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE SOME MONEY IN LIE OF THAT.
AND WE PROBABLY WANT TO CONTINUE THAT PHILOSOPHY OF STILL GIVE THE OPTION OF TAKING LAND BUT SAY WE'LL TAKE MONEY IN LIEU OF IT.
I'M HERE TO SAY TOO IS THE LAW IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT.
YOU HAVE TO ON THE RECORD SAY A, THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS BUT B, THERE'S NOT SUITABLE LAND FOR US TO, THAT WE THINK THE TOWN'S GONNA NEED, THEREFORE WE'RE GONNA TAKE MONEY IN LIEU OF IT.
IT'S NOT IMPACT IN STATE, DO NOT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE LAND WE'RE IN INCLUDE RECREATIONAL SPACE BUT IT DOESN'T GET TRANSFERRED TO THE TOWN LIKE A REQUIREMENT OF A SUBDIVISION OF A CERTAIN SIZE AND HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE RECREATIONAL SPACE.
BUT THE, THE SUB SUBDIVISION STILL OWNS AND MAINTAINS.
SO THEN WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PASS BILL SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST TO SAY, HEY, YOU SHOULD PUT RECREATION IN HERE, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT RECREATION IS ONLY TYPICALLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
THE PURPOSE OF THE LAW IS THAT WE'RE IMPROVING OPPORTUNITIES FOR RECREATION FOR THE ENTIRE.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD SOMETIMES IN THE TOWN BOARD HAS THAT POWER, IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS A LOT.
NOW THE TOWN BOARD HAS THE POWER TO SAY, WELL THEY'RE DOING SOME RECREATION WE'LL ONLY TAKE $500 A LOT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING SOME RECREATION FOR THE, FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTS.
BUT WE STILL, YOU'RE IMPACTING, YOU'RE REALIZING YOU PEOPLE IN THE SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE IMPACTING ALL THE RECREATIONS.
SO THEY TAKE THAT MONEY, THEY PUT IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT AND ALL THEY CAN DO WITH THAT MONEY IS BUY LAND OR BUY EQUIPMENT, CAN'T RUN PROGRAMS. YOU HAVE TO BUY, BUY EQUIPMENT TO IMPROVE YOUR PARKS AND RECREATIONS.
SO QUESTION AND NOT JUST, THEY CAN'T NO STATE LAW.
YOU GOTTA READ THE LEGISLATION WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO DO THIS.
IT'S LOVELY ATTORNEYS LAW, RIGHT? THE STATE LEGISLATION GIVES YOU THAT POWER TO DO WHAT YOU DO THERE SOME REAL
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RESTRICTIONS.SO DREW, WE GET TO REVIEW THIS AND THEN YOU'RE COMING BACK AND I'M GONNA COME BACK AND GET SOME INPUT.
I'M, I'M GONNA GET SOME UP UPFRONT COMMENTS FROM YOU GUYS.
LIKE WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT BOTHER YOU WITH SUB THAT YOU DON'T THINK YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, YOU HAVEN'T DEALT, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE WE'VE HAD SOME RESIDENTIAL DEVELOP SUBDIVISIONS.
I MEAN WE STILL COULD GET SUBDIVISIONS DOWN OR RIVER.
IT COULD BE A SIX OR SEVEN LOT SUBDIVISION OR IT COULD BE A 50 LOT SUBDIVISION.
SO I WANNA GO BACK ABOUT THE FINAL PLAN.
THE LAW STATES THAT THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVES THE FINAL, THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS.
PLA YOU GUYS A PRELIMINARY, WHICH IS THE LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION THROUGH SECRET OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN IF IT'S A BIG SUBDIVISION ENGINEER DOES THE FINAL REVIEW OF ALL THE ENGINEERING DOCUMENTS, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S A ROAD TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
THE ROAD HAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND YOU'LL SEE IN THERE ABOUT PS AND WHATEVER PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PERMITS THEY HAVE TO CONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE ROAD.
AND THEN AFTER THE ROAD IS DEDICATED DOWN, THEN THEY APPROVE THE FINAL PLA.
THE PROCESS OF THE PANEL FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS IS THAT THE TOWN ENGINEER, NOT SAYING WASN'T CAMERA, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE TOWN ENGINEER AND THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR WOULD COME AND SIGN THE FINAL PLA PLANNING BOARD CHAIR'S.
JOB IS TO MAKE SURE FI HASN'T CHANGED SINCE WE APPROVED IT.
STATE LAW SAYS AND YOUR LAW SAYS THE FINAL COMES BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN 30 YEARS AND EVEN 10 YEARS BEFORE THAT STATE LAW.
WELL IT'S YOUR LOCAL LAW THAT SAYS ALSO YOU COULD CHANGE THAT IN YOUR LOCAL LAW, BUT YOUR LOCAL LAW SAYS THE SAME THING THE STATE LAW SAYS IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVES THE FINAL PLA.
SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE BYPASS THAT, CHANGE OUR LOCAL LAWS BUT THEN WE STATE LAW WE SHOULD, I'M I'M POINTING OUT A PROBLEM WITH THE TOWN'S LAW RIGHT NOW THAT THE TOWN HAS NEVER, THEY TOLD ME THEY DON'T FOLLOW THAT.
THE REASON WHY THEY DID THAT IS, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE REASON I'M ALWAYS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD PEOPLE.
THEY SAID THEY GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS TWO YEARS LATER THEY FINALLY GET THE ROADS DEDICATED AND THEY WOULD BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD SIT THERE AND GO, WELL YOU KNOW, I REALLY DON'T LIKE THIS AND WHATEVER.
IT'S LIKE WELL IT'S TOO LATE GUYS.
IT'S A RUBBER STAMP AT THIS POINT THE ROAD HAVE BEEN INSTALLED WHATEVER.
IT'S REALLY JUST A THAT THEY'RE SIGNING OFF ON SOMETHING.
SO THEY GOT OUT AND THEY TOLD ME WHEN I CAME HERE, WE DON'T SEND PLA HAVE SIGNED READ BOARD APPROVES THE FINAL PLAN.
NOT THE, THAT UM, PLANNING BOARD HAVE BROUGHT AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE REASONABLE CONDITIONS.
COURT APPROVING THE SUBDIVISION.
PLANNING BOARD CAN IMPOSE ONE OR MORE CONDITIONS THAT MUST BE SATISFIED TO OBTAIN THE FINAL APPROVAL.
THE WHAT IS REASONABLE, BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE WORD WE DID IT IN MICHIGAN.
I I, THAT'S WHY WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS I'M LIKE WE DID IT.
IT'S NOT THAT I UNDERSTAND AND I'LL POINT THAT OUT.
I UNDERSTAND MICHIGAN LAW IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN NEW YORK STATE.
DIFFERENT ENABLING LEGISLATION.
I'M POINTING OUT LAWS IN YOUR LAW RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU REALLY WANNA SEE FINAL PLAT? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, I GOTTA CHANGE THE LAW BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS YOU APPROVE THE FINAL PLA AND REALIZE FOR A LOT OF THOSE FINAL PLA IT'S LIKE TWO YEARS LATER SOMETIMES IT'S NOT TOO BAD IF YOU DO A SEVEN SUBDIVISION WITH NO NEW STREET BECAUSE THIS AGREEMENT PRELIMINARY RIGHT THEN THE PLANNING BOARD, RIGHT, RIGHT.
IF IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIAL BACK TO IT HAS TO COME BACK.
SO I THINK AND THAT'S THE JOB.
WE ACTUALLY IN THE LAST 30 YEARS WE'VE ONLY HAD TWO PROJECTS AND WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH
WE ACTUALLY HAD ONE WHERE WHEN THEY WENT TO FINAL ENGINEERING, YOU GUYS APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY FUND.
YOU GUYS ARE THE PLANNING BOARD.
THEY WENT TO ENGINEERING THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PROCESS.
THEY SAID THIS DOES NOT WORK, THIS DRAINAGE BASIN'S GOTTA GO OVER HERE.
THE LOTS HAVE GOTTA BE RECONFIGURED OR WHATEVER.
IN THAT CASE IT DEFINITELY COMES BACK TO YOU BECAUSE THEY MODIFY THE PLAN OF WHATEVER AND THE TALENT ENGINEER WHOEVER WILL NOT GO FORWARD WITH IT UNTIL YOU GUYS AGREE WITH IT.
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THE TALENT ENGINEER BUILDING A SECTOR THAT IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'S NOT AFFECTING THE LOT LAYOUT THE WAY YOU JUST READ THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE LAW NOW AND WHAT WE DO.
BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A DECISION TREE IN THAT.
BASICALLY THE FINAL PLOTS ALWAYS JUST GET SIGNED OFF.
THERE SHOULD BE A DECISION TREE THAT THE PLAN IS IDENTICAL.
THERE'S NO REASON TO SEND IT BACK.
CAN I JUST PUT IT ON HOLD FOR, WE HAVE SOME STUDENTS THAT ARE SIGNATURES, RIGHT? WHY? WE'LL GET OUTTA HERE, BUT IF YOU WANNA STAY YOU CONVERSATION, I BOUGHT MY HOUSE 39 YEARS AGO IN HAMBURG WHERE I LIVE BY, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME BECAUSE AT THE TIME WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, THERE WERE TWO OTHER FAMILIES, THE THREE OF US WITHIN TWO WEEKS IN THAT AREA.
AND WE FOUND OUT THAT FARMER ORIGINALLY SOLD THAT PROPERTY 42 AGO AND THEN TWO DEVELOPERS BANKRUPT SIX MONTHS.
I DON'T THINK I OWN TWO MORE YARDS ON THIS SIDE AND TWO MORE YARDS.
BUT ABSOLUTELY, I MEAN YOU SUB TWO PIECES SUBMIT THE AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW, TWO CARS WE'RE DONE AND THERE WAS NO WAY TO KNOW.
WE OTHER ISSUES THAT I NEED YOUR INPUT
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GUYS, I NEED YOUR INPUT.I COULD COME UP, HANG, HANG ON, HANG ON.
WE STILL GET SOMEBODY PRESENTING AND WE GOT MICROPHONES ON.
IS THAT NO, NOT YET FOR SARAH THEN.
SO ANYTHING ON MY FRONT MEMO AGAIN, I'M GONNA WORK WITH JOSH TO COME UP WITH A DRAFT.
YOU'VE SEEN THE KIND OF A MARKUP, YOU'VE SEEN THE MEMO OF THE AREAS.
LET KNOW THE THINGS THAT ARE CONCERNED TO YOU WITH SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND WITH SITE PLAN REGULATIONS.
YOU OFTEN KEEP IN MIND THAT THE TOWN HAS AN LAWS THAT ARE REFERRED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE REFERENC.
FOR EXAMPLE, NEAR DEAR TO YOU, WE HAVE A LAW WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WHETHER IT'S A GOOD OR NOT, IT SHOULD BE REFERENCED IN THE SUBDIVISION.
OF COURSE WE ALSO HAVE CHANGES IN THE STATE.
UH, BUT WE NEED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S, WE DON'T TALK, WE UM, WE TALK ABOUT TOWNHOUSES A LITTLE BIT IN OUR, IN OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATION, BUT THEN WE HAVE TOWNHOUSE REGULATIONS IN OUR, IN OUR ZONING CODE TOO.
SO I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY, IF WE CHANGE THAT THEY MATCH TOO.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS THAT ONE OF THE HARD PARTS ABOUT DOING CODE REVISION SPENT A LOT OF TIME JUST DOING SEARCHES OF THE CODES AND MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT CONFLICTING WITH OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE.
AND ONCE WE'RE NOT WORKING ON, THEN WE END UP WORKING ON A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER CODES BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER SECTIONS.
UM, I'VE GIVEN YOU IN YOUR PACKET, THAT'S THE SECOND PACKET THERE, LIKE I SAID A COPY OF THE, OF THE, SOME OF THE LEGISLATION, LEGISLATION I'VE GIVEN YOU A COPY OF BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HEAR IT FROM ME.
UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE DOES PRESENTATIONS ON THINGS.
THEY DID A PRESENTATION ON SUBDIVISION REGULATION.
SO YOU CAN READ THAT IF YOU WANNA KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE GONNA STAY WITHIN THE NATIVE LEGISLATION BUT PUSH THE BOUNDARIES.
THEY'VE OPENED UP THE FACT THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER MORE THINGS.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED PLANNING PIPELINE SUBDIVISIONS WAS PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, COULDN'T TALK ABOUT AESTHETICS, COULDN'T TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS OR WHATEVER.
OVER THE LAST DECADE, THEY PUSHED MORE AND MORE OF THE FACT THAT THOSE ARE MORE, THOSE THIRD LEVEL ESOTERIC THINGS.
THAT'S WHAT COIN BASED CODES ARE ABOUT.
CORN BASED CODES DON'T CARE ABOUT USE, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT SETBACKS AND WHATEVER THEY TALK, THEY TALK ABOUT FORM, HOW DOES FIT INTO THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY AND FIT INTO THE, SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN PUT IN THERE FOR THINGS THAT YOU CONSIDER.
THAT WAS THE BIG CHANGE WE'RE GONNA DO IN YOUR, IN YOUR SITE PLAN REGULATIONS.
IS THAT AT THE BACK END? WE WERE, WE WERE, WE WERE SUED ON THAT ONCE BEFORE THAT IN THE BACK END OF THE SUB PLAN REGULATION JUST HAD TWO THINGS, THREE THINGS THAT YOU WERE CONSIDERING IN YOUR APPROVAL OF THE FLIGHT PLAN, PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND TWO OTHER THINGS.
NOW WE'RE GONNA LIST ALL THOSE THINGS THAT YOU CONSIDER SITE AND SUBDIVISION.
SO GIMME YOUR INPUT AGAIN, OUR, OUR JOB IS WE'RE GONNA GET INPUT FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARDS AND WHATEVER THE PUBLIC AND THEN I HAVE TO GET CODES THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SO IT'S NOT AN EASY, EASY PROCESS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SATISFY, BUT YOU ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
THE TOWN BOARD IS THAT IS GRANTED PLAN SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE REGULATIONS OR HAVE PROBLEMS DEALING WITH THEM, THEN YOU'RE GONNA CREATE PROBLEMS. SO PLEASE TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THAT AND POINT OUT YOU STARTED TO PUT TO JOSH ON THE SITE PLAN, TAKE A LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISION, MAKE SURE THIS THING THAT YOU WANT IN THERE AND YOU KNOW THAT, THAT WE CAN ADDRESS CORRECTLY AND MAKE IT CLEAR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE THESE, THAT'S ONE THING ABOUT DOING SUB I MAKE I TRY TO WRITE 'EM LIKE FOR A THIRD GRADER TO UNDERSTAND.
OKAY, IT'S GOTTA BE SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE OUTLINE OF THE CODES TOO TO SAY HEY, THIS IS PROCESS INSTEAD HAVING TO DIG.
THESE ARE THE PROCESS REQUIREMENTS, HERE ARE THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS, HERE ARE THEN THE OTHER THINGS THAT CONSIDER IN THESE REGULATIONS AND TRY TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THE USER AND OTHERS TO SAY THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR YOU JOSH, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER DREW, I I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND LIKE THE CHANGES AS THEY'RE PRESENTED AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS MEMO THAT KIND OF HAS THIS BULLETED LIST OF LIKE THINGS TO NOTE I THINK.
AND THEN THE DOCUMENT HAS BOTH COMMENTS AND HIGHLIGHTS.
IT'S NOT TRACK CHANGE WHICH WOULD BE MUCH EASIER.
AND SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION JOSH, ARE LANGUAGE THAT YOU ALL ARE SUGGESTING.
SOME ARE THINGS YOU WANT US TO REVIEW AND SOME ARE REMOVAL AND I'M UNSURE HOW TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK HIGH.
THE NEXT ONE YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS ONE IS OUR FIRST THING ALL JOSH DID WAS HE WENT THROUGH AND HIGHLIGHTED AND PUT HIS COMMENTS IN THE OUTSIDE SAYING THESE ARE AREAS THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ON.
OKAY, I'M LOOKING FOR YOU THEN
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I'M GONNA TAKE OUR, WE'RE YOU WANTED IN TRACK CHANGES THAT WOULD YOU LIKE PREFER DOING A WORD DOCUMENT AND TRACK CHANGES? IS THAT GOOD? EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH TRACK CHANGES? YEAH.SO THE NEXT ONE WE PRESENT TO YOU WILL BE THE SUBDIVISION REGULATION IN TRACK CHANGES.
AND FOR THIS MOMENT WE'RE CLEAR REVIEWING THE SUBDIVISION SECTION AND ADDING ANY COMMENTS THAT CAN BE ADDITIVE TO JOSH'S OR ANSWERING QUESTION OR FORMAL COMMENT AND WHATEVER OR SPECIFIC SECTIONS YOU CAN SAY, YEAH, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS SECTION.
ALL JOSH DID WAS I ASKED HIM TO DO IT BECAUSE HE'S KIND OF LIKE, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, HE'S NEWER WITH THE TOWN, HE AND HIS LITTLE GOING THROUGH AND HEY THESE ARE AREAS THAT I THINK ARE PROBLEMATIC OR AREAS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD, SO IT'S JUST JOSH'S INPUT AT THIS POINT MY MEMO GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BIG PICTURE OF WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO CHANGE.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US BIG PICTURE COMMENTS NOW AND THEN WE'LL DO A FIRST TRACK CHANGE OF YOUR CODES.
SO WHEN WE ALL GIVE THE COMMENTS TO, WE'RE GONNA EMAIL YOU AND THEN ARE THOSE GONNA BE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS SEND BACK TO SO WE CAN BEFORE THE MEETING? OKAY.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF WE HAVE CONFLICT, WHATEVER, I HAVE TO TRY TO AT LEAST RESOLVE IT HERE, BUT THEN I STILL HAVE OTHER COMMITTEES, OTHER PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH AND SAY HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE INCORPORATE EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS, WHATEVER.
AND THEN WE GO TO THE PUBLIC AND WE'RE GONNA THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY COMMENTING ON TOP WHATEVER AND THEN WE GOTTA HOPEFULLY THEN PUT THOSE FINAL REGULATIONS TOGETHER THAT ARE LEGALLY SOUND MEET THE TOWN BOARDS ABILITY, YOU KNOW THAT THEIR REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IT, THEY'RE GONNA ADOPT THE LAW SO THEY HAVE TO COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
SO NOT AN EASY THING HAVING DONE COMMUNITIES LATELY DOING CODE, LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON CODES AND WHATEVER AND HOW THEY SHOULD FUNCTION.
WHAT I KEEP SAYING TO PEOPLE THOUGH IS WE'RE DOING SITE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION.
IT'S NOT ZONING, IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO ON A PROPERTY, RIGHT? ZONING DOES THAT.
THE ZONING SAYS I CAN BUILD THIS MCDONALD'S HERE.
WHAT YOU'RE TELLING THEM IS, WELL HERE'S THE PROCESS TO GET THAT MCDONALD'S APPROVED, RIGHT? AND HERE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE BECAUSE BUILDING THE UBIQUITOUS, WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE TIME, THE DOLLAR GENERAL, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT DOLLAR GENERALS THAT ARE BUILT ALL OVER NEW YORK STATE AND WHY ARE THEY BUILT DIFFERENTLY? BECAUSE THE REGULATIONS ARE DIFFERENT IN WHATEVER.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS IN EACH COMMUNITY.
ANYBODY SEE THE DOLLAR GENERAL IN CLARENCE HOLLOW EVER GET OUT MAIN STREET, THE TOWN OF CLARENCE HOLLOW.
IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A DOLLAR GENERAL.
BECAUSE THEY HAD SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR THAT.
THEY HAVE A DOLLAR GENERAL THERE, BUT THEY HAVE VERY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR THAT.
WHAT I MAY SAY IS WE, FOR EXAMPLE THE SITELINE REGULATION, WE HAVE GENERAL UM, ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE GENERAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEN THEY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC FOR CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE I CAN'T HAVE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GONNA APPLY TO EVERYWHERE IN THE TOWN.
SO WE HAVE OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT GIVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF DEGREE OF INFORMATION.
SO SOME DIVISION LITTLE, LITTLE LESS.
I MEAN WE HAVE SOME REGULATIONS THAT SAY WHEN YOU BUILD A SUBDIVISION IN A CERTAIN AREA, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
REMEMBER IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE TOWN, MATTER OF FACT IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL PART OF THE TOWN, YOU EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WE DO NOT ALLOW MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS IN SOUTH CENTRAL PART OF THE TOWN THAT'S IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
I CANNOT, I DON'T EVEN DO FOUR LOT SUBDIVISIONS.
THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE HANDBOOK, THERE'LL BE NO MORE MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS THAN THE SOUTHERN HANDBOOK OVER.
THAT WAS A HUGE CHANGE SUGGESTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE NOT ALLOW SUBDIVISION, THAT AREA OF THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE SEWERS AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO GET IT OUT THE SEWER DISTRICT THAT WE WON'T HAVE SEWERS MORE RURAL AS YOU CAN IN THAT PART OF COUNTY LAKE USED TO HAVE ITS OWN REQUIREMENT.
IN FACT PROBABLY NOT LIKE THIS ONE OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICTS BASICALLY DEMANDED THAT IF YOU HAD IMPORTANT RESOURCES ON THE PROPERTY, YOU HAD TO DO A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.
PEOPLE WOULD SAY I DON'T LIKE.
BUT IT WAS A WAY OF SAYING HOW CAN WE PRESERVE THOSE THAT ARE IMPORTANT? CONSERVATION BOARD IS GOING TO BE IDENTIFYING ALL THESE IMPORTANT PROPERTIES.
I CAN'T JUST TELL PEOPLE YOU CAN'T BASICALLY HAVE TO SOME THINGS TO PUT, SO ANYWAY, I'M HERE TO HELP JOSH.
SO YOU KNOW, HE'S GIVEN HIS INPUT ON THE SUBDIVISION.
YOU SEE HIS COMMENT, I NEED YOUR INPUT THEN I NEED TO DO A FIRST DRAFT.
YOU REALIZE I HAVE TO GO TO THE OTHER BOARDS AND ADVISORY BOARDS THAT INFLUENCE WHAT HAPPENS WITH SUBDIVISIONS, THAT SITE PLANS.
I'LL BE BACK ON THE 19TH ON, I'LL BE BACK ON THE 19TH IF
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I'M, IF I'M STILL UPRIGHT.UM, ALRIGHT, SO ANYTHING ELSE IN IN GENERAL? ANYTHING? NO, ANYTHING IN GENERAL.
SO MYSELF FROM UH, ANY PROCEEDING.
ANY FUTURE IN, UM, DOES STATE OR NO OFF OF MY HEAD, I DUNNO ANSWER.
UM, IS THERE A MOST LIKELY NOT BUT CLOSE ENOUGH THAT I THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO JUST BE AUDIT DUE TO YOUR EMPLOYMENT.
I'LL, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO AJOUR.