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THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ON MARCH 5TH, WORK SESSION TO ORDER.
OUR FIRST CASE IS BJ MUIRHEAD COMPANY REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED CONS OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY OFFICE TRAINING SALE AND WAREHOUSE BUILDING, AND A TWO RENTAL STORAGE BUILDINGS AND FIVE PRIVATE STORAGE BUILDINGS.
YEAH, IF YOU WOULD JUST MOVE THE MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOU, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I'M WITH APEX CONSULTING SURVEY AND ENGINEERING SERVICES VC.
I'M THE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT FOR THE PROJECT.
WHO I HAVE WITH ME IS, UM, JOSEPH, UH, COMMONLY KNOWN AS JC BONAR.
HE'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND OWNER OF THE BA MIRROR HEAD BUSINESS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
THE ALSO HAD JIMMY ALLEN HERE, WHO IS A CONTRACTOR AND CONSTRUCION MANAGER.
THE PROJECT THAT YOU COULD SEE THERE IT IS, IT IS A 10.4 ACRE PARCEL.
UM, JOSEPH BOUGHT IT LAST YEAR.
WE'RE FOCUSING PRIMARILY ON THE, WE'LL CALL IT THE SOUTHERN SIX ACRE PLUS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS DOWN THROUGH THE, NOT QUITE THE MIDDLE, A LITTLE MORE TOWARDS THE NORTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S A NICE EASEMENT, KIND OF BISECTS THE PROPERTY.
AND, AND FOR THAT REASON, WE FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING THE, UH, SOUTH PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, OVER SIX ACRES, AS I SAID.
NOW, THE PROJECT ENTAILS INITIALLY WHAT WE'LL CALL THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS HIS BUSINESS.
THE, THE PORTION THAT IS FRONTING ALONG JEFFREY BOULEVARD WILL BE HIS OFFICE, WHICH IS A TWO STORY SECTION ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THAT, THERE'S O THERE'S A, A SECONDARY ENTRANCEWAY THAT WILL BE FOR THAT OTHER VEHICLE.
UH, LARGER TRUCKS CAN COME IN, THAT WILL BE FOR FABRICATION.
THERE'S A PARTS AND TRAINING SE AREA THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT'S, UH, IDENTIFIED IN THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THE REAR SECTION OR THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE THE WAREHOUSE FACILITY.
NOW, IN THE REAR, OR, OR LET'S SAY THE EAST PART OF THE PROPERTY, THERE ARE STORAGE UNIT BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SECOND PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, IT, IT, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF STORAGE PROJECTS IN IT.
THE CENTER TWO BUILDINGS AND THE THREE BUILDINGS THAT, THAT BORDER
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CLOSER TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THOSE WOULD BE PRIVATE, UM, YOU KNOW, STORAGE UNITS FOR INDIVIDUALS.THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE A LITTLE LARGER, WIDER, THOSE WOULD BE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
ALSO, YOU'LL SEE DOTTED IN ON THE, WE'LL CALL IT, UH, PARTWAY INTO THE SITE BEYOND THE, UH, ENTRANCE ROAD.
A DOTTED IN WHERE, WHERE A FUTURE BUILDING COULD, COULD BE, UH, PROPOSED AS WELL.
UM, THE WAY COMES IN, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE ON THE SECOND DRAWING THAT, THAT WE HAVE, THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY ACROSS THIS PROPERTY.
IN ORDER TO HANDLE THAT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME RETAINING WALLS IN WHICH WILL FURTHER IDENTIFY ONCE WE GET INTO DOING THE FINAL ENGINEERING.
BUT YOU'LL SEE SOME MORE BOLDER LINES THAT SEPARATE THE, THE REAR OR THE SECOND PART OF THE PROJECT, OR PHASE TWO.
AND THEN WE'LL CALL THE CIRCULATION AREA WHERE THE TRACK TRAILERS WOULD PULL IN FOR THE, UH, WAREHOUSE.
THERE IS A RETAINING WALL HOSE THERE, AND THAT MOST LIKELY WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN.
ALSO COMING IN OFF OF JEFFREY BOULEVARD IS A STEEP GRADE.
UH, WE'VE SET OUR BUILDING UP SO VISIBLY IT WILL STAND OUT, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GRADE ACROSS THAT PROPERTY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A A, A FAIR AMOUNT OF CUTTING AND FILLING TO ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, ONE FLOOR, FLOOR LEVEL, UH, FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, WE, UH, WE SHOW, WE'LL SAY DOWN IN THE, UH, OUT TOWARDS JEFFREY BOULEVARD, UH, A RETENTION POND BECAUSE OUR DISTURBANCE IS OBVIOUSLY GREATER THAN ONE ACRE, AND ACTUALLY IN THIS CASE WILL BE, UM, OVER SIX ACRES COUNTING INTO BOTH PHASES.
THIS WILL BE SUBJECT TO DEC STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A RETENTION POND THAT'LL HANDLE SEVERAL FACTORS INCLUDING, UM, WATER QUALITY AND OF COURSE, UM, STORMWATER DETENTION TO CONTROL THE 10, 25 AND A HUNDRED YEAR STORMS. UTILITIES ARE ALREADY IN THE ROAD, UM, ON JEFFREY BOULEVARD.
WE WILL BE TYING INTO THE SANITARY SEWER THERE.
UM, THAT'S ON OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD, SO WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE A CONNECTION THERE.
THE WATER'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, OR WE'LL SAY THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD.
WE'LL HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY, UH, BORE UNDERNEATH THE ROAD TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
UH, ELECTRIC WILL COME FROM THE REAR.
THERE IS A NICE POWER POLES IN THE, ALONG THE BACK.
UM, JC WILL WILL SET UP A, YOU KNOW, A TRANSFORMER THERE AND THAT'LL FEED THE ELECTRIC FOR THE SITE.
ALSO, I BELIEVE THERE'S NATURAL GAS OUT IN THE ROAD THAT WILL BE ALSO USED FOR HIS BUSINESS.
COULD YOU TURN TO THE NEXT DRAWING PLEASE? GOT THE WIND.
SO THIS GIVES YOU A BETTER INDIC IN FEEL FOR WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
ALL THOSE LINES ARE CONTOUR LINES THERE.
THERE'S SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF GRADE FROM THE, WE'LL CALL THE SOUTH EAST CORNER ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, UH, NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S MORE THAN 25 FEET OF GRADE ACROSS THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE, SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING INTO THAT WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE RETAINING WALLS.
WE'VE SHOWN 'EM, UM, PRELIMINARILY THERE.
I, I PROVIDED LIKE A PRELIMINARY GRADING PLAN JUST TO, JUST SO WE COULD SEE HOW THINGS WOULD FIT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO, UM, FROM A, UH, DESIGN GRADE PURPOSES THAT THINGS WOULD WORK.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE AREA IN THE BACK WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UH, STORAGE UNITS ARE ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN, UH, THE AREA WHERE THE, THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE, UM, PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE OR SIX FEET.
THE, UH, EMBANKMENT ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS WILL HAVE TO PICK THAT WATER UP AND BRING IT AROUND THE SITE, BRING IT DOWN, AND SO IT BYPASSES THE BUILDINGS AND, AND WILL.
AND THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY END UP, UM, BACK OUT IN THE ROAD.
'CAUSE THAT'S HOW IT CURRENT CURRENTLY IS.
WE'LL BE PICKING UP THE STORM WATER FROM THE BACK END AND THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE COLLECTED BY ANOTHER SWALE, WHICH WILL END UP INTO THE RETENTION POND.
UH, ALL THE WATER WILL BE FUNNELED INTO THE, INTO THE RETENTION POND.
NOW THE BUILDING, THE MAIN BUILDING OUT FRONT, THE ROOF, UH, HAS BEEN DESIGNED, UH, TEMPORARILY TO SLOT TO SLOPE TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS THAT, WHICH IS WHAT OUR CLIENT WANTS.
UH, FOR THAT WE'LL END UP PICKING UP THE WATER PROBABLY FROM A, UH, A SWALE, THEN A, UM, RECEIVER.
AND THEN THAT WILL BE, UH, PIPED FROM THE STORM SEWER IN INTO THE POND.
SO ALL THE STORM WATER FROM THE SITE FOR THE IMPROVEMENT AREA WILL END UP GOING THROUGH THE
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RETENTION POND AND THEN OUTLET INTO THE STORM SEWER OUT ON JEFFREY BOULEVARD.UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE MAJORITY OF WHAT I HAVE UP ON THE PLAN, AND I CERTAINLY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TWO PLANS.
AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING, UM, JOSEPH'S BUSINESS, HE COULD HELP ME ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO THAT.
PLANNING DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, THE PROPERTY ZONE IN TWO, AND WE SPOKE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ALL THE USES OUR PERMITTED USES.
ONE THING THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER IS THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION WITH ALL THE PERMITTING THAT THEY'LL NEED FROM DC AND DSM AND CONSIDER DOING A COORDINATED REVIEW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO PRESENT ON THIS PROJECT.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT LAST PART? OTHER THAN, SO, UH, BECAUSE BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER PERMITTING APPROVALS THAT THEY'LL NEED FROM DEC AND EVERYTHING, YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER DOING A COORDINATED REVIEW FOR THIS UNLISTED ACTION FOR SECRET PURPOSES.
THAT'S THE ROUTE THAT YOU WANNA GO.
WE'VE GOT THE LONG A-A-E-A-S, SO WE COULD SELECT THAT WHENEVER YOU WANT.
BUT ENGINEERING, UM, NOT TOO MUCH TO ADD.
IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A, A CHALLENGING GRADING AND DRAINAGE SITE.
UM, SO I'M SURE THERE WOULD BE A LOT MORE TIME SPENT REVIEWING ONCE WE GOT TO MORE DETAIL.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME, NO REAL COMMENT BOARD MEMBERS? NO, NO.
WHERE EXACTLY ON JEFFREY BOULEVARD IS THIS? WHERE'S JEFFREY BOULEVARD? NO, WHERE ON JEFFREY BOULEVARD? UM, IT'S ACROSS FROM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE TWO BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STREET.
58, 40 AND 58 80 I THINK IT IS.
THERE'S TWO, TWO BUSINESSES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
ONE'S KIND OF LIKE ON THE NORTH SIDE ONE ITSELF.
UM, IT BACKS UP TO THE PALEONTOLOGY, UM, UH, FACILITY TOO.
DIXIE? YEAH, IT'S RIGHT ON THE BED.
THERE ARE THREE BENDS UNDER EVERY BOAT LINE.
TO BE THEY'RE, BUT I THINK THAT HELPED.
WELL IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH, IT'S BEEN ALL CLEANED THOUGH.
SO SITE HAS BEEN CLEARED ALREADY? IT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEARED.
DID YOU WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S THE PROPERTY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M SURE IT, WITH ALL THAT WOODED AREAS HAS BEEN CLEARED.
HAS IT BEEN CLEARED? WHAT'S THAT? HAS THE PROPERTY BEEN CLEARED? UH, LAST FALL, SOME OF THE, THE TREES WERE CLEARED.
DID YOU GET A TREE CLEARING PERMIT FOR, I'M SORRY.
THERE'S A TREE CLEARING APPROVAL FOR TREE CLEARING OVER A CERTAIN AREA.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS DONE OR NOT.
JC CAN PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT.
SO THAT WAS NOT, UH, IT WAS LEFT TO THE CONTRACTOR TO PULL THE PERMIT AND THEN WE FOUND OUT THROUGH, UH, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD BELIEVE KEN WAS THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME AND PREVENT WAS SIGNED BY.
THERE'S A COYOTE THAT HANGS AROUND IN THERE.
SO IS THIS GOING TO BE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL LOCATION OR ARE YOU, UM, RELOCATING FROM YOUR ORCHARD PARK LOCATION? WELL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA RELOCATE.
DO YOU WANNA COME ON UP? YEAH, SURE.
WHY DON'T YOU COME UP, SIR? YEAH.
WE HAVE A CURRENT BUSINESS IN ORCHARD PARK RIGHT NOW.
SO IS THIS AN ADDITION OR ARE YOU RELOCATING? THIS IS AN EXPANSION.
SO THE HOPE IS IS THAT THROUGH COVID WE'VE KIND OF EVOLVED, UM, WE'VE EXPANDED OUR BUSINESS, WE'VE DONE VERY WELL, AND WE'VE OUTGROWN RIDGE PARK IN OUR CURRENT CAPACITY WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND, AND WE LIVE IN HAMPER.
SO WE LIKE THE AREA AND PIECE OF PROPERTY HAMPER SALE.
SO THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE PROPERTY.
SO WE WAS A GOOD FIT FOR THE APPLICATION.
SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS.
WELL, FIRST IS A STATEMENT AND REQUEST FOR INFORMATION IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE SITE AND THE WRITEUP IS NOT, UH, DETAILED AND WRITTEN ENOUGH.
SO WE, WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, WE HAVE THE LONG EAF WITH THE DESCRIPTION, BUT HAVING A LETTER THAT DESCRIBES ALL OF THE WORK YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO AND, AND HOW THAT'S COMING ABOUT, WHERE YOU'RE DOING THE GRADING, HOW MUCH CUT AND FILL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S JUST A LOT HAPPENING HERE AND IT WAS HARD TO FOLLOW WHILE LOOKING AT THE THING AND THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION AND THE OVERVIEW OF WHAT GETTING, I THINK WE NEED A LETTER FROM YOU AS THE APPLICANT THAT OUTLINES EACH OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO.
I THINK, WELL, SOME OF THAT WILL COME
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OUT WHEN WE DO THE FINAL ENGINEERING DRAWINGS AND STUFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT.IF YOU, I DON'T WANT IT ON A DRAWING.
I WANT A LETTER THAT LIKE WORKS.
WE, I WANT A LETTER THAT DESCRIBES WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING TO DO, WHAT THE ACTION IS LIKE.
NOT JUST US COMING AT OF IT FROM A, A DRAWING.
LIKE WE NEED TO JUST A DETAILED PROPOSING YOU HERE'S WHAT, LIKE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST THE DIFFERENT USES, ALL THE DIFFERENT USES, ALL THE ACTIVITIES.
TRYING TO EXPLAIN ALL OF THE IMPACTS AND ALL THE PIECES THAT GO INTO IT.
THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF EARTH WORK PROPOSED HERE.
I AM CONCERNED THAT YOU GUYS CLEARED THE ENTIRE SITE BEFORE HAVING SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND WITHOUT GETTING YOUR TREE CLEARING APPROVAL.
UM, AS WE WALK INTO THIS, LIKE I, WE NEED A BETTER EXPLANATION IN WRITING TO SUPPORT THE DRAWINGS AND TO GO TO COMPLIMENT THE DRAWINGS IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE, ARE TRYING TO DO HERE TO HELP US GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
WELL WE CAN PROVIDE SARAH SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SHARE WITH THE BOARD, I GUESS.
YEAH, I THINK WHAT SHE'S ASKING IS NOT UNREASONABLE.
IT'S JUST EVERYTHING YOU JUST SPENT, SHE 12 MINUTES, ALMOST 15 MINUTES DESCRIBING WOULD BE LOVELY IF YOU COULD JUST WRITE IT DOWN FOR US SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF TRACK IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S, UM, JUST A LOT HAPPENING.
AND THEN WE'RE BETTER PREPARED HERE AND MAKING SURE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE UP TO SPEED TO BE BETTER PREPARED TO ANSWER YOUR FIVE SENTENCES.
I THINK THE SECOND PIECE IS PENN DIXIE IS A REALLY UNIQUE SITE, NOT JUST IN HAMBURG, BUT FOR ITS GEOLOGICAL FEATURES NATIONALLY.
LIKE THEY'RE ONE OF THE FEW SITES FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF THINGS.
I WANTED, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK AND KIND OF PUSH FOR IS THAT ONE, WE NEED SOME SORT OF BUFFERING BETWEEN THIS USE AND THAT PUBLIC ACCESS RECREATIONAL USE, BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME IF THERE'S TREES REMAINING.
AND SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU GUYS WOULD ADD SOME SORT OF BUFFER.
I WOULD LIKE SOME SORT OF DESCRIPTION WITH THE GRADING AND RETENTION WALL AND THE FLOW.
SOME MORE BACKUP ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA BE MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT AFFECTING DOWNSTREAM OR UPSTREAM USERS WITH SOME OF YOUR CHANGES WITH THE FLOW AND THESE MAJOR GRADING CHANGES.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RETENTION WALLS, UM,
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT INADVERTENTLY ADVERSELY AFFECTING ANY OF THE ADJACENT USERS, PARTICULARLY THE ONE THAT HAS PUBLIC ACCESS LOCATED ADJACENT TO YOUR SITE.
AND, AND I THINK ALSO JUST HAVING A, THERE PROBABLY WILL BE MORE COMMENTS, BUT NOT HAVING THAT LENGTHY WRITTEN DESCRIPTION OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE PHASED IN CONSTRUCTION AND HOW MUCH TIME THAT'S GONNA TAKE TO DO, MAKES IT HARD FOR, FOR ME AND THIS BOARD TO, TO COMMENT LIKE, I APPRECIATE GLAD TO HAVE MORE BUSINESS IN HAMBURG, BUT WE NEED TO JUST BE ABLE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE COMPONENTS OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
ANYBODY ELSE? WE, JOSH, CAN YOU SHOW THE OVERLAY AGAIN BECAUSE I'M, I'M GETTING LIKE FLIPPED AROUND.
SO THE SATELLITE IMAGE THAT YOU HAD AND WHERE EXACTLY IS IT? CAN YOU MOVE THE CURSOR TO WHERE IT'S GOING? WELL UP FURTHER? IT'S THIS ONE.
SO APPENDIX'S TRAILS COME BACK.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY HAD IT WAS LIKE, WAIT, THE CURVE I WAS THINKING, RIGHT.
IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE IT IS THAT PARCEL IT THERE.
YOU'RE CLOSE TO IT DOING BETTER TOO, WHERE ALL THE TREES ARE ON THIS PICTURE, BUT THEY'RE, THOSE TREES ARE NOT THERE.
NOW IS IT THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
WHERE THE CURSOR IS, WHICH, WHERE THE CURSOR IS.
CAN WE DRAW A CIRCLE WITH THE CURSOR ON LIKE THE, HOW MUCH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? GOT IT.
IS IT BIGGER THAN THAT? THAT'S THE FULL AC PARCEL, THE SIX ACRE PARCELS TO THE TAKE THE CURSOR DOWN A LITTLE BETTER.
SO THROUGH THE PROPERTY, IT'S ALMOST THE CENTER
WHAT IS THE TIMING FOR YOUR PHASE, YOUR SECOND PHASE OF THE MINI STORAGE? YOU SAID PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR TO YEAR AND A HALF AFTER HE RAPIDLY DID THE FIRST PHASE WITH PHASE ONE, DEPENDING ON WHEN WE GET APPROVAL MM-HMM
AND YOU ALREADY CLEARED THE TREES FOR PHASE TWO? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS IS A FULL PHASE THAT THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED CLEARING, LIKE IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM MULTIPLE YEARS, BUT THAT THEY, IF THEY'VE ALREADY CLEARED THE TREE TREES AND STARTED WITH SITE PREP, THAT THAT'S PART OF CUSTOMER SPACE.
ANYONE ELSE? I, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, FOLLOW UP ON MEMBER MCCORMICK'S.
UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DETAILS.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SIZE OF BUILDINGS, PARKING AREAS, THAT KIND OF INFORMATION FOR THE LOT ITSELF.
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AS TO THE SIZE OF THE RETAINING WALLS AND, UM, LIKE LENGTH AND HEIGHT.JUST AN IDEA WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN ONTO THE SITE.
UM, AND I, AND WHEN I WAS READING THIS, IT SAID TWO PRIVATE STORAGE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, SOMETHING ABOUT PRIVATE STORAGE.
WELL, THE PRIVATE STORAGE ARE THE FOR ARE FOR, FOR PRIVATE BUSINESSES.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT FOR, UM, A AN INDIVIDUAL TO JUST RENT A STORAGE UNIT THAT KIND OF LIKE, THESE ARE FOR ACTUAL SMALL BUSINESSES TO, TO RENT A, A SPACE.
THEY'RE LARGER THAT THAT PARTICULAR, UH, INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE A, UM, MAYBE A SMALL OFFICE IN THERE.
UM, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE SPACE WOULD BE FOR, FOR STORAGE FOR THEIR EITHER EQUIPMENT OR THEIR MATERIALS FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A COMMONLY, UH, NEW FUNCTION THAT, THAT YOU, YOU'D HAVE A, UH, A LARGER BUILDING WITH WITH SEVERAL SMALL, UH, INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES.
UM, WITHIN IT, UH, EACH SPACE WOULD BE PROBABLY AROUND, WHAT IS IT, 1200, I THINK A THOUSAND TO 1200 SQUARE FEET.
SO I WOULD LIKE THAT DESCRIPTION AND THE BREAKDOWN THAT YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE WITH US.
UM, AND THEN THE TWO RENTAL STORAGE BUILDINGS, THAT'S GONNA JUST BE FOR YEAH, THERE'S ACTUALLY FIVE, WELL, IT SAYS TWO RENTAL STORAGE BUILDINGS AND FIVE PRIVATE STORAGE BUILDINGS.
SO, SO THE, THE FIVE, THERE'S, THERE'S FIVE, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL 'EM, UH, FIVE INDIVIDUAL JUST STORAGE UNITS THAT PEOPLE RENT TO PUT THEIR STUFF IN.
JOSH, COULD YOU BRING UP THE, UM, PUBLIC LAND? YEAH, THE PUBLIC ONES.
AND THEN THE OTHER TWO LAR TWO LARGER BUILDINGS WOULD BE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
CAN, SO YOU'LL SEE THE THREE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE ALONG THE BACK FAREST BACK OR THE FAREST EAST SIDE.
THOSE, THOSE ARE DIVIDED UP INTO 10 BY 20 JUST PRI UH, PUBLIC STORAGE UNITS.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO, THE TWO BUILDINGS IN THE CENTER WOULD BE ALSO THE SAME THING.
THE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OF THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
CAN CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR COMPANY? I THINK THIS IS PART OF WHY I'M HAVING TROUBLE FOLLOWING, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING QUESTION, WE'RE DOING PUBLIC MINI STORAGE, BUT THEN IT ALSO SAYS WE'VE GOT TWO, TWO STORY OFFICES, TRAINING, SALES AND WAREHOUSES.
BUT YOU SAID YOU'VE OUTGROWN YOUR SPACE IN ORCHARD PARK.
CAN YOU JUST TELL US MORE ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS PLEASE? SURE.
SO WE'RE AN OEM REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BROKEN UP, BUT WE'RE IN THE BOILER INDUSTRY.
WE, UH, WE'RE BROKEN DOWN INTO I WOULD SAY FIVE SEGUES.
WE'RE A PARTS SERVICE, SALES AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
WE ADVOCATE, UM, SPECIFIC PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, WHETHER IT'S IN TRACTOR TRAILERS, CONX TRAILERS, OR WE DO HIGHLY ENGINEERED SCD SYSTEMS FROM DESIGN TO STARTUP TO INSTALL.
UH, BASICALLY WE HAVE A SALES STAFF THAT'S CONSISTENT MECHANICAL ENGINEERS, SALESPEOPLE, WE HAVE IN INSIDE ADMINISTRATIVE PEOPLE.
UH, WE HAVE A PARTS DEPARTMENT WAREHOUSE WITH ABOUT TWO TO $3 MILLION WORTH OF INVENTORY THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND.
SO BASICALLY, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE VERY SIMILAR TO LIKE A, UH, FORD CHEVY DODGE DEALERSHIP EXCEPT WE'RE IN THE BOILER WORLD OF THINGS.
WE WORK IN INDUSTRIAL POWER PLANTS, UTILITIES, CHEMICAL PETRO FOOD, AND BE SCHOOLS K THROUGH 12, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND WE SUPPORT IN STATE DISTRIBUTION, ELECTRIC AND HOT WATER.
NO, NO, THAT WELL, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
SO YOU READ MY MIND, UM, I'M A WIZARD.
SO, UM, IN A, IN THE DESCRIPTION IT SAID IN OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT WAS THE, THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT YOU GUYS WERE DRAINAGE UTIL LEAST THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE TABLE TONIGHT, I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE THIS UNTIL WE GET THE PRESCRIPTION AND A RATHER BETTER BREAKDOWN LIKE WE ASKED FOR, UM, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS SOME OTHER SUGGESTION, BUT BASED ON WHAT MEMBER MCCORICK IS REQUESTING, AND I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.
I THINK WE NEED A BETTER, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A BETTER DESCRIPTION, A BETTER WRITTEN DESCRIPTION, NOT JUST THE PICTURES.
AND THEN, UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE PARKING, UM, ADDRESSED IN THAT, UM, IN THERE.
AND IF YOU COULD GIVE THE BREAKDOWN ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU'VE GOT.
I KNOW IT'S ON THE DRAWING, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET THAT ALL TOGETHER AND THEN WE COULD HAVE THEM BACK.
JOSH, WHEN DO YOU THINK THEY COULD COME BACK? YOU CAN EITHER LET THEM LET THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT KNOW WHEN THEY WANT TO COME BACK, OR YOU CAN TABLE THEM IN TWO WEEKS.
ALL RIGHT, ILL, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY, WE'LL, WE'LL ASK SIR WHILE WE CAN COME BACK ONCE I GET THE, THE NARRATIVE PUT TOGETHER UP.
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RIGHT.ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UM, RIGHT WHEN WE'RE, LOOK, WHEN YOU HAD MADE, THEOR MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT HOW THE ENTIRE SITE HAS BEEN CLEARED, THEREFORE IT'S ESSENTIALLY TRIGGERING THE SECOND PHASE OF THE PROJECT, BUT THEN WE'RE DOING A SEEKER REVIEW.
ARE WE DOING A REVIEW AS BOTH PHASES? AS ONE PROJECT? YEAH.
OH, AND JOSH, IF WE DIDN'T ANSWER YOU ON COORDINATED REVIEW, CINDY, I WOULD LIKE TO START THE COORDINATED REVIEW.
OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL YOU GET THE I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE DESCRIPTION THEN THAT'S FINE.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE TIME DO WE NOT OH YEAH, WE'LL WAIT.
SO WE'LL WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE DESCRIPTION BEFORE WE GO AND DO ANYTHING COORDINATED WITH YOU.
I DO JUST WANNA ADD THAT I'M ASKING FOR A BUFFER TO BE PLACED BETWEEN YOU AND THE PUBLIC PROPERTY AND APPROPRIATE VEGETATION.
AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GO BACK TO THE TREE MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE CHAPTER 2 43 AND TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE, LIKE SEE WHAT WE CAN DO THERE.
BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CLEARED IN THAT IT WAS WITHOUT THE APPROVAL AND GOING THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS TO DO THAT.
ALSO, UM, I SPOKE WITH, UM, DR.
PHIL FROM PEN DIXIE AND HE, HE IS REQUESTING, AND I THINK HE'LL DO IT IN WRITING, BUT WONDERING IF YOU PUT A FENCE ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE YOU SHARE WITH PEN DIXIE FROM, FROM THE ROAD EAST.
AND THEN I THINK THE, IT JOGS TO THE NORTH PERHAPS IS THAT CORONER THERE? BECAUSE HE SAID THAT THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CLEARED WITH PEOPLE ON ATVS COMING THROUGH, GOING ON TO APPENDIX'S PROPERTY.
SO HE WAS ONE PUT THE FENCE UP THERE.
SO SARAH, HOW FAR BACK YOU, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE FENCE, UM, ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BACK BUILDING.
CAN YOU PUT THE, SHOULD PUT THE FENCE IN THERE.
LIKE THIS GOES BACK TO THE, LIKE THE CONCERN ABOUT, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, JUST THIS AREA HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.
NO, WELL, OH, SORRY, SORRY, SORRY.
UH, WHERE'S PIX? IT IT'S TO, IT IS TO THE RIGHT.
ALONG TO THE RIGHT AND BEHIND.
DO YOU WANT A FENCE ALONG THAT? HOW, HOW FAR BACK DO THEY WANT IT? DOESN'T IT JOG IN AT SOME POINT? NO.
I'LL WAIT TILL HE SENDS US SOMETHING.
I MEAN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WAIT, WATER, BECAUSE HE HAD PUT SOME STORM RANGE IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND THERE'S SOME MOS OF DIRT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THE IT IS THE, IT IS A STRAIGHT LINE THOUGH.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO JOS IN, IN THE, IN THE BOUNDARY OF, OF THE PROPERTIES.
HE GONNA HOOK AT ME SOMETHING.
CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU JUST SAID? YEAH.
DID YOU ALREADY PUT STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS IN ON THE PROPERTY? NO.
NO IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE ON THE PROPERTY YET.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH THE MOUNDS THOUGH? IS THAT ON THIS PROPERTY? NO, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON, ON KEN DIXIE'S PROPERTY.
AND BEN DIXIE HAS BEEN DOING, YEAH, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A MOUNDS OF DIRT.
THEY THAT ACTUALLY PROBABLY STAND ON, ON UH, JOSEPH'S PROPERTY.
YEAH, THEY PUSHED ON, THEY PUSHED THE DIRT ONTO HIS PROPERTY.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GET BACK WITH US WHEN YOU WANNA COME BACK AND THEN WE'LL ADD YOU TO THE AGENDA.
OUR NEXT CASE IS
UM, YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE IN FRONT OF US LAST YEAR, UM, WITH THIS PRESENTATION AND UM, THEN THEY WERE GONNA GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND HAS EXPIRED AND NOW THEY'RE BACK.
THANK YOU SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING AS WAS INDICATED IN CONNECTION WITH TWO SITES LOCATED AT 3,800 HOOVER, 38, 33 BAYVIEW, FOUR OF YOU WERE AROUND.
WE PRESENTED THIS LAST, EXCUSE ME, IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR.
CAN I HAVE YOU GUYS SIT BACK AT THE DOOR? HELLO? LEONA, CAN YOU TAKE IT OUT? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T WANT, AS I THINK FOUR OF YOU RECALL, WE PRESENTED THIS LAST PROBABLY LATE LAST SPRING.
WE'VE GONE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, DONE SOME FURTHER ANALYSIS AND BEFORE WE PROCEED ANY FURTHER, WANT TO COME BACK AND HAD AN ADDITIONAL WORK SESSION AND SOLICIT YOUR INPUT.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE SESSION, BUT THIS
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SLIDE TENDS TO ILLUSTRATE I NOCONTROL ALT TO ME, I SAW THIS ONE.
NO, THE JOSH, HE'S ALMOST, ALMOST DONE.
FAST FORWARD TO GOOD
WE'RE, OH SEE THE BIG KEYBOARD.
OKAY, SO ONE ARE THE CHALLENGES OF THIS SITE, THESE TWO, TWO PROPERTIES IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S ZONE WC AND OBVIOUSLY IT WAS NOT THE PLANNING BOARD THAT ESTABLISHED THAT ZONING DISTRICT EARLY ON IN THIS REVIEW PROCESS OR THE PREVIOUS REVIEW PROCESS.
WE WERE ASKED BY BOTH THIS BOARD AS WELL AS A SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, WHICH WE PROBABLY ATTENDED ABOUT HALF DOZEN MEETINGS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ZONING CODE AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY PERMITTED BY THAT EXISTING WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL.
AND WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT.
BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT'S EXPRESSLY PERMITTED AND THEN SECONDLY, WHAT'S PERMITTED VIA ISSUANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT'S FAIRLY LIMITED AND I WANNA WALK THROUGH THOSE BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE USES MAKE SENSE ON EITHER OF THE SITES, ESPECIALLY THE BIGGER SITE.
UM, THAT'S NOT ON THE WATER SITE.
SO THOSE INCLUDE MARINAS, DOCKS AND BOATYARDS VISITOR AND CONFERENCE ROOMS INCLUDING MARITIME MUSEUMS, HOTELS AND MOTELS, RESTAURANTS, FISHING SUPPORT FACILITIES, BOAT LAUNCH FACILITIES, AND THEN VIA SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YOU CAN HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES, YOU CAN HAVE BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL USES, YOU CAN HAVE MIXED USE BUILDINGS, SO LONG AS 50% OF THEM ARE COMMERCIAL USES, YOU CAN HAVE WATER DEPENDENT INDUSTRIAL USES, WHICH I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THOSE ARE.
AND THEN YOU CAN CONVERT AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE INTO SOME OTHER FORM OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
SO THOSE ARE THE, ALL THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THAT WATERFRONT, COMMERCIAL, WATERFRONT DEPENDENT INDUSTRIAL USE IF WE BOTH SHIPPING PEERS, SHIPPING, OKAY, SHIPPING OF WHEAT AVIATION, SHIPPING OF WHEAT FROM BUFFALO TO SLOW DOWN.
SO TWO SITES, 3,800 HOOVER AND 38 33 BAYVIEW.
THIS IS WHAT WE PRESENTED BEFORE ON THE WATER SIDE, WHICH IS 3,800 HOOVER ROAD.
WE HAD A THREE STORY, 12 UNIT BUILDING, UM, TWO BEDROOM UNITS WITH A DEN 14 PARKING SPACES AND SOME GREEN SPACE.
AND WE'LL SHOW YOU UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A SECOND.
AND THEN ON SITE B, WHICH AGAIN IS 38 33 BAYVIEW.
ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, WE SHOWED A FOUR STORY, UM, MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING, 44 UNITS, MIXTURE OF ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
WE SHOW PARKING 61 OF WHICH WOULD BE EXCLUSIVE FOR THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 206 AND KEEP MIND THAT SITE TODAY IS BASICALLY ALREADY PREVIOUSLY BEEN IMPACTED.
IT'S A MIXTURE OF ASPHALT STONE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THIS PROJECT, AS WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED BEFORE, GIVEN ITS COMPLEXITY, DOES REQUIRE A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF APPROVALS.
THOSE WOULD INCLUDE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL REVIEW BY THE LWRP COMMITTEE, BUT POTENTIAL VARIANCES FROM THE ZBA.
UM, BACK IN THE ORIGINAL REVIEW PROCESS WE DID AT YOUR REQUEST SUBMIT A COMBINED PART ONE OF THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS ARE OBVIOUSLY GEOGRAPHICALLY NEARLY CONTIGUOUS.
WE HAVE THE SAME PROJECT SPONSOR IN THE PROPOSED
SO I THINK IT'S STILL APPROPRIATE WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT TO REVIEW THESE AS CUMULATIVE IMPACTS BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS.
ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES THAT CAME UP DURING THE ORIGINAL REVIEW PERTAIN TO THE HOOVER ROADSIDE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT IS SUBJECT TO RESTRICTIONS 'CAUSE IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN OR REGULATED FLOODWAY, UH, THIS IS A MAP THAT CHRIS WOOD FROM CARTO WOULD DESIGN PREPARED CONFIRMING THAT PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH WE WOULD BE DEVELOPING IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY REGULATIONS OF FEMA IN TERMS OF FLOODWAY OR A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLATE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT ALSO CAME UP AND I, MR. CLARK PLAYED IF IT WAS THE FIRST ONE TO BRING THIS UP AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE SHORELINE REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE, WAS, IS THERE A WAY BY WHICH WE COULD PROVIDE ACCESS BY THE PUBLIC TO THE LAKEFRONT? SO THIS PLAN SIMPLY ILLUSTRATES AND JUST ACCLIMATE EVERYONE.
YOU CAN SEE THE COWBOY BAR, YOU CAN SEE ON THE OTHER SIDE WE'RE PROPOSING THE SMALLER SCALE PROJECT.
THIS AREA, WHICH WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO CONSIDER FOR SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC ACCESS.
IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO INCLUDE BEACH OR WATER ACCESS.
WE DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE SAFE AT THAT LOCATION, BUT SOME KIND OF VIEWING AREA.
SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE STILL, THAT'S STILL ON THE TABLE.
WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER INPUT ON THAT.
AND AS I INDICATED, THIS WILL GO IN FRONT OF THE LWRP COMMITTEE AS WELL.
I'M SURE THAT'LL BE OF INTEREST TO THEM, TO THEM AS WELL.
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WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION.THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL RENDERINGS FROM LAST YEAR.
SO THIS IS THE 3,800 HOOVER COLOR CONCEPTUAL RENDERING.
AGAIN, WATERSIDE THREE STORIES APPROXIMATELY THIR A LITTLE MORE THAN 30 FEET TO THE SOFFIT TO THE PEAK OF THAT BUILDING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL STYLE SLOPE.
ROOF WOULD BE SLIGHTLY MORE THAN 40 FEET.
UH, TOM AND HIS TEAM HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE ARCHITECT TO COME UP WITH UH, WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A VERY UPSCALE LOOK IN TERMS OF VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL RELIEF.
UM, ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES ON THE TOP, A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY ON ALL THREE FLOORS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THIS IS THE OPPOSITE SIDE AT 38, 33 BAYVIEW, THE PREVIOUS COLOR RENDERING THAT WE PRESENTED FOUR STORIES 40 FEET TO SOFFIT, MORE OR LESS, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 50 TOTAL.
AND AGAIN, I'VE PROVIDED THE BREAKDOWN.
WE WANT THESE BUILDINGS TO BE COMPLIMENTARY BUT NOT IDENTICAL.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE'D LIKE A BIGGER BUILDING ON THE NON-WATER SIDE SITE WATERSIDE SIDE, WHICH IS 38, 33 BAYVIEW.
SO HERE'S A REVISED SITE BY WAY, THIS IS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, THIS IS NEW ON 3,000 HOOVER.
WE'RE STILL, OH, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT SCALED BACK.
IT'S A THREE STORY 12 UNIT BUILDING.
AGAIN, STILL TWO BEDROOM UNITS WITH DENS, 14 PARKING SPACES AND GREEN SPACE.
AND THEN ON B, WHICH IS 38 33 BAYVIEW, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS A THREE STORY POTENTIAL MIXED USE BUILDING.
WE'D LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO INCLUDE SOME COMMERCIAL IN THAT BUILDING, BUT WE CERTAINLY ARE NOT IN A POSITION FINANCIALLY, ECONOMICALLY OR REALISTICALLY TO COMMIT THAT THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT ENTIRE BUILDING WOULD BE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO, AND I THINK THE LAST THING THE TOWN WOULD WANT IS THERE TO BE EMPTY LONG-TERM IS FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, WE'RE SHOWING NOW INSTEAD OF A FOUR STORY BUILDING, WE'VE REDUCED THAT DOWN TO THREE STORIES, THEREBY REDUCING THE DENSITY TO 33 UNITS.
UH, AGAIN, SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
61 ENCLOSED FOR THE BUILDING OR FENCED IN FOR THE BUILDING.
AND THIS PROBABLY WOULD REQUIRE A COUPLE BARRIER VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AS WELL.
SO WE'VE ALSO UPDATED THE RENDERINGS.
THIS IS THE HOOVER ROAD SIDE AGAIN, WATER SIDE.
THE KEY CHANGE HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE NOW, WE'VE REPLACED WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY A SLOPE, MORE RESIDENTIAL STYLE ROOF WITH A MORE FLAT ROOF.
YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE USES IN THAT PORTION OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.
WE THINK THAT'S MORE CONSISTENT.
ALSO IMPORTANTLY, IT DOES BRING THE HEIGHT OF THAT BUILDING DOWN.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS PREVIOUSLY RAISED ABOUT IMPACTS ON THE VIEW SHED, BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THIS FROM ACROSS THE STREET ON THE PROPERTY WE OWN, THERE'S REALLY NO NEARBY SENSITIVE, UM, UCH SHE PERSPECTIVES.
BUT WE DO THINK THIS IS IMPROVING AGAIN IN TERMS OF REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, COMING UP WITH A BUILDING DESIGN THAT WE THINK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT, UM, WITH THE SCALE AND THE BUILDING TYPOLOGY IN THAT AREA.
38 33 BAYVIEW AGAIN, GOT RID OF THE RESIDENTIAL STYLE ROOF.
UH, WE'RE NOW AT THREE STORIES, AS I INDICATED, LESS THAN 30 FEET IN HEIGHT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF VERTICAL, HORIZONTALLY UPSCALE MATERIALS.
ALL OF YOUR REVIEWED GREATER DETAIL AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMEWORK AHEAD OF US.
WE WOULD'VE TO SUBMIT EAF, UNDERTAKE A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, START GOING BACK IN FRONT OF THE LWRP COMMITTEE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BEFORE WE PROCEED DOWN THAT PATH AGAIN, WE WANTED TO GET ADDITIONAL INPUT OR QUESTION OR ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, TOM AND I ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY OF YOU MAY HAVE THIS EVENING.
LENNY DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ELSE TO OFFER? UM, I THINK WE WOULD JUST SAY FOR CGA PURPOSES, IF YOU GUYS WILL CALL, WE COMBINE BOTH PROJECTS INTO ONE LONG A F AND PLAN ON DOING THAT AGAIN.
UM, WE ALSO WANTED TO REMIND THIS BOARD THAT THIS IS TAKING A NEW APPLICATION.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE SHOWN EVERYTHING FROM 2023 AND 2024.
THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THE HOOVER SIDE ISN'T CHANGING TOO MUCH, IT'S A BRAND NEW APPLICATION.
AND THAT WE ALSO WANNA REMIND THE BOARD THIS IS A WORK SESSION, SO OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE IRONED OUT AT THIS TIME.
NOW'S THE TIME TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT GIVING THE APPLICANT DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT THEY CAN COME BACK TO YOU AT A FUTURE DATE WITH SOME PROVISIONS BASED OFF OF YOUR INPUT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
I WOULD ALSO NOTE, I BELIEVE, UH, CAITLIN WAS YOU WHO ASKED, WE WE DO HAVE, WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED YET.
UM, UPDATED LWRP APPLICATION FORMS. YOU ACTUALLY ASKED FOR THE FEDERAL CONSISTENCY FORM AS WELL.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMPLETED, BUT WE THOUGHT IT'D BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO COME AND GET SO CLEAR INPUT FIRST.
SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PROJECT SUBMISSION ENGINEERING.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD AT THIS TIME.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ADDRESSES AND THE, IN THE PREVIOUS, I
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WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE PREVIOUS MEETING FROM LAST YEAR AND THEY WERE ASKING FOR A USE VARIANCE.NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN AREA VARIANCE AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE ON THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WE TREATED THESE, WE WERE GONNA DO SEEKER TOGETHER, BUT WE TREATED THEM AS TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.
WE CAN DO THAT AND YEAH, WE CAN LIST THEM AS TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS, BUT FOR SEEKER PURPOSES, WE'RE TREATING, WE'RE TREATING IT AS ONE.
THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AND THAT'S WHAT I SAW AT THE MEETING.
UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND CURRENT SCENARIO, BOTH SITES WOULD REQUIRE A USE VARIANCE OR POTENTIALLY AN AREA VARIANCE BECAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING A USE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED.
IF ON SITE B IN PARTICULAR THE LARGER SITE, BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CODE ENFORCE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, IF WE CAN INCLUDE SOME COMMERCIAL SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING, THAT WOULD THEN BECOME A PERMITTED USE IN THE DISTRICT.
BUT WE STILL MIGHT BE IN THE AREA OF VARIANCE BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT BUILDING THAT WOULD BE OCCUPIED AS COMMERCIAL SPACE.
SO BUILDING A OR SITE A STILL REQUIRES A USE VARIANCE.
SITE B, WE ENVISION THAT WE WILL PROVIDE SOME FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THEREBY THAT WOULD NOT BE A USE VARIANCE.
IT WOULD REQUIRE A COUPLE OF AREA VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
AND AGAIN, I DO AGREE SEPARATE PROJECTS FOR PURPOSES OF REVIEW PROCESS, BUT CUMULATIVE IMPACTS IN TERMS OF SEEKER AND TREAT THIS AS ONE ACTION BOARD MEMBERS, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SOLD ON A SINGLE SEEKER YET.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SOLD ON A SINGLE SEEKER.
IT COULD BE SOLD ON WHAT? I'M SORRY.
A SINGLE A CUMULATIVE IMPACTS BECAUSE SAY SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH, WITH SOMETHING LIKE YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATES, BUT CUMULATIVE IMPACTS, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO SEPARATE THE IMPACTS TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THEM? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE IMPACTS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR, BUT IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT IF THEY'RE CUMULATIVE FOR WHAT ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT SEPARATELY.
AND WE WOULD BE, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO SUBMIT TWO SEPARATES WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU WANT.
I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW IT'S FRUSTRATING, BUT I I DO LIKE SEPARATE PROJECTS AS WELL.
AND THEN HOW, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT VARIATION BETWEEN, UM, SOME OF THE NEARBY HOUSES AND BUILDING A, LIKE I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NEXT TO DOCK THE COWBOY WHATEVER, AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY TALL.
SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE, THE HEIGHT DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN DOCK, BUT THEN ALSO, AREN'T THOSE MOSTLY LIKE ONE STORY KIND OF SMALL HOMES? YEAH, ONE STORY CAPE COD STYLE.
AND TYPICALLY THERE ARE SOME TWO STORY HOUSES, UM, BUT LOWER ROOF LINES.
UH, SO I THINK WE WOULD BE ABOVE THOSE.
I MEAN WE SPECIFY THAT 30 FOOT MARK BECAUSE THAT WAS AGAIN WHAT WAS RECORDED WITHIN THE DISTRICT ONE 30 FEET.
UM, I THINK AT 30 FEET WE'RE JUST BELOW UH, THE ADJACENT, THE OLD THE A BAYVIEW HOTEL.
IT'S GOT A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL MASTER ROOF ON TOP.
UM, SO YOU'RE JUST BELOW THE HOTEL? I THINK WE'RE EQUAL TO OR JUST BELOW.
WE'RE, WE'RE COMPARABLE TO THAT SCALE.
I, BECAUSE I THINK, UM, THE CHAIR, THIS, AS WE DISCUSSED SEEKER GOING FORWARD, IT'S GONNA BE A A, A PRETTY ROBUST COMMUNITY CHARACTER CONVERSATION BECAUSE THE DOCK AT THE BAY IS SO DIFFERENT THAN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IS SO DIFFERENT THAN THIS USE.
I MEAN, TRUTH BE TOLD, LIKE, I JUST WANT A GONE, I LOVE BI THINK IT'S FABULOUS.
I I DON'T LIKE A, I THINK CAITLYN MADE SOME COMMENTS LAST TIME THAT LIKE A ITSELF COULD BE THE PUBLIC AREA, IT COULD BE A PARK, IT COULD BE, AND IF YOU HAVE A PARK AND COMMERCIAL SPACE, LIKE WHAT A PHENOMENAL ADDITION TO THE HOOVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO GO DOWN WHERE THE CLOCK TOWER IS TO HAVE LIKE A REASON TO BE THERE THAT'S NOT LOITERING.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT THAT'S C WE WANNA HEAR IF YOU WANT THE BRUSH ANSWER
NOW A YOU SAID HOW MANY UNITS WAS GONNA BE A IS 12 UNITS, WHICH IS 3,800 HOOVER, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
THAT'S NOT REALLY ENOUGH FOR 12 UNITS.
WELL, YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT IF YOU'RE TENANT THERE TO PARK ACROSS THE STREET.
BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH PARKING OVER THERE.
AND THEN WHERE IS COWBOY? UM, THE COWBOY IS DIRECTLY, I DON'T HAVE A POINTER DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT.
WELL I KNOW WHERE, I'M SORRY, I MISSPOKE.
UM, I KNOW WHERE THE COWBOY IS LOCATED, BUT WHERE ARE THEIR PATRONS NOW SUPPOSED TO PARK? YEAH.
AND THE AND THE REMAINING 206 SPACES THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE TO THE, UH, ACROSS THE STREET BUILDING B.
MEANING ON SITE A TODAY THERE'S NO PARKING.
SO WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY PARKING THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED BY THE COWBOY.
AND THE PUBLIC ACCESS WOULD BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE COWBOY, WHICH WE THINK WOULD BE THE BEST LOCATION DETAILS TO BE WORKED OUT TOGETHER SHOULD BE TOLD WITH B SCALING BACK.
ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE SITE PLAN THERE ON THAT SIDE THAT WE, WE DIDN'T FULLY UH, EVALUATE YET, BUT, BUT WHAT SHOULD GIVE SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHT IS WE'VE ENCLOSED THIS OVER 60 SPACES.
CAN WE GET UP TO THE MIC SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU
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ON THE BUILDING B SIDE? ON THE, ON THE 38 33 BAYVIEW SIDE, WE HAVE, UH, ENCLOSED PREVIOUSLY 61 SPACES THERE.AND I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY SCALE THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
UM, POTENTIALLY GIVE MORE TO THE OPEN PUBLIC SPACES.
AGAIN, THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT GO TOWARDS ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE BAYVIEW.
OH, SO IS THAT HOW YOU'RE THINKING OF SEPARATING, LIKE ENCLOSING THE ONES THAT WOULD BE FOR THE APARTMENT AND THEN THE REST WILL JUST CONTINUE TO BE OPEN? I MEAN THAT IS A MASSIVE SPACE OVER THERE.
YEAH, THOSE THAT, THAT, THAT AREA, IT'S HARD TO TELL AND THIS ILLUSTRATION, BUT THE, THAT FIRST DRIVE LANE, UH, ALONGSIDE BUILDING B WOULD BE ENCLOSED.
FENCED IN AND WE CAN ADJUST WHERE WE PUT THAT, UH, FENCE SLIDE MEMBER CLARK.
CAN WE GET PICTURES OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES? UM, BECAUSE OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VIEW, ONE OF 'EM I'D WANNA SEE IS WHAT DOES BUILDING A LOOK LIKE NEXT TO THE OLD BAY VIEW? AND JUST WANNA SEE WHAT THE VIEW, HOW THE VIEW WOULD CHANGE FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN ACCESS.
AND MAYBE THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL.
SO AND YOU JASON
I WOULD RATHER YOU MAKE THAT BUILDING TOWER TALLER THERE AND PUT ADDITIONAL UNITS THERE.
I DON'T THINK A IS THE BEST USE WE COULD SEE AT THIS SITE.
AND HAVING BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF PUBLIC ACCESS.
I THINK MORE OF A COMMITMENT TO COMMERCIAL USE OF THE SPACE.
SOMETHING THAT IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT MORE THAT COULD BE DONE WITH BUILDING A THAT I DON'T SEE HAPPENING HERE.
AND I, I DON'T LOVE LIMITED RESIDENTIAL USE.
I ALSO THINK THE BUILDING IS TOO LARGE FOR THE LOT AND THE USABLE AREA WITH SOME OF THE GRADE IN THE TERRAIN AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE.
THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND FOR OUTSIDE DINING SPACE WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE TO GO EAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER MONTHS.
I REALIZE THERE'S A SEASONAL COMPONENT OF THAT.
THERE'S A DEMAND FOR RECREATION.
YOU SEE THAT WITH THE BREWERY DOWN THE STREET THAT NEEDED MORE PARKING.
UM, I, I THINK THERE ARE MORE OPPORTUNITIES HERE AND IT'S NOT THE, THAT GIVEN YOUR ABILITY TO DO OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OTHER TYPES OF THINGS THERE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME VALIDITY TO MARGO'S COMMENTS ABOUT SPLITTING THE SEEKER BECAUSE I THINK THAT BUILDING B IS MUCH MORE AMENABLE, BUT BUILDING A IS NOT SELF-SUFFICIENT WITHOUT BUILDING B.
AND IF YOU WERE GONNA PHASE ANY OF THAT, THERE'S INADEQUATE PARKING AT BUILDING A WITHOUT ADDRESSING BUILDING B AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CROSS AGREEMENTS ARE TO MANAGE PARKING FOR THE COWBOY, UM, THERE.
AND WHETHER THAT REMAINS FREE, IF THAT'S GONNA BE CHARGED, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A, AN ACTUAL AGREEMENT TO USE THAT IT WOULD REMAIN FREE.
THAT SURE WE'RE NOT GONNA IMPLEMENT A PARKING FEE.
AND THEN THE, THE OTHER PIECE THAT I STILL REMAIN CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE CULTURAL RESOURCES PIECE.
THAT BUILDING IS ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING ON THE, THE COWBOY IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTERED HISTORIC PLACES.
AND SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE ARCHEOLOGY, IT'S ABOUT THE CHANGES IN CHARACTER AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ADHERING TO AN, AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE SHIPPO WANTS TO DO.
AS WELL AS I RECOGNIZE THAT THE TOWN'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE HAS NOMINATED FOR DESIGNATION, HAS NOMINATED THE COWBOY FOR DESIGNATION.
SO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THOSE AND THE OTHER INTENTIONS OF THE COMPETENCE PLAN, I THINK IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
ANYONE ELSE? I WOULD JUST LIKE ALSO TO ECHO MARGOT'S, UH, SENTIMENT THAT I WOULD SUPPORT GOING HIGHER FOR BUILDING B BUT THEN TO HAVE ALTERNATIVE USES FOR THE AREA OF WHAT BUILDING A IS WHAT, AND ALSO FOR THE AREA THAT'S YELLOW, WHAT SORT OF PUBLIC ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS ARE YOU CONTEMPLATING? I I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA REALLY ENGAGE YOU AS WELL AS THE L-W-R-P-N DISCUSSIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PRECISELY IN MIND OPINION OUTSIDE OF THE FACT THAT IT MAY NOT HAVE ACTUAL BEACH ACCESS.
OTHER THAN PROBABLY DON'T, NOT LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES ACTUAL BEATS BEACH ACCESS.
IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A, A OVERLOOK TYPE FEATURE OR PATH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR BECAUSE AGAIN IT WAS RAISED, UM, TIME AND TIME AGAIN AS SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
WE HAVE CONSIDERED, WE'LL TRY AND PROVIDE IT BEFORE WE WERE STRUGGLING BECAUSE WE WERE PUTTING IT ON, UM, THE SITE RATHER THAN THE FAR SIDE OF THE COWBOY.
IT WAS MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO TRY AND SQUEEZE IT IN AND IT WASN'T, IT WAS MORE LIKE AN ALLEYWAY.
THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE SIGNIFICANT SPACE.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE AN OVERLOOK THAT WENT OUT FAR ENOUGH TO FISH? MAYBE, MAYBE
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AT LEAST WE'LL PUT IT ON OUR LIST OF THINGS TO FOLLOW UP.I MEAN I'M JUST GONNA ECHO MY SENTIMENTS FROM OAC A WHILE BACK, IS THAT THE PUBLIC SPACE HAS TO HAVE A PURPOSE TO BE TO THAT THERE'RE THE ACTIVATION, THE PROGRAMMING, THE DESIGN AND NOT JUST HAVING, YOU KNOW, JUST A PEER, BUT BEING ABLE TO ACTIVATE THE SPACE.
AND ALSO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN MORE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT UP TO THE WATER'S EDGE I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT IS SHORTSIGHTED FOR THE VILLAGE, FOR THE TOWN.
AND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ACTUAL PUBLIC ACCESS AND ACTIVITY ALONG THIS WATER'S EDGE.
I GET TO GO LAST AND THE LAST TIME I TALKED ABOUT THIS, I TALKED ABOUT THE VIEW OF THE LAKE AND HOW SPECIAL IT IS.
I DO CONCUR WITH EVERYONE WHO SPOKE TODAY EXCEPT, EXCEPT MEMBER CLARK.
AND I'LL GET TO HIS COMMENTS ABOUT THE HEIGHT IN A MINUTE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY A DOES NOT HOLD AN APARTMENT BUILDING OF ANY KIND.
AND THE REASON ARE FOR THE FALL, LIKE PARKING'S AN ISSUE.
AND AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO, UH, RENT ONE OF OR PURCHASE ONE OF YOUR PLACES THAT OVERLOOKS THE LAKE OVER THERE, I AM NOT GONNA WALK IN FIVE FEET OF SNOW TO GET TO MY APARTMENT RIGHT WHEN I GET BACK TO THE GROCERY STORE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT MARKETING PIECE.
NUMBER TWO, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.
THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET IS GREAT.
I I AND IF YOU, LET ME JUST SAY THIS, IF YOU INCORPORATE THE COMPONENT OF MAKING IT A MIXED USE BUILDING, THEN I'M ALL IN.
THAT WAS WHAT I SUGGESTED THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE AND I THINK THAT, THAT YOU'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
NUMBER THREE, THERE'S NO GARAGES IN THOSE APARTMENTS EITHER.
SO YOU'RE LIVING THERE, YOU'RE PARKING, YOU HAVE TO PARK ACROSS THE STREET.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE A CONFLICT WITH A RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO A BAR WHO'S GONNA WANNA LIVE NEXT TO A BAR WITH THE NOISE, WITH THE MUSIC, ALL OF THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK, I KNOW THIS IS NOT MARKETING 1 0 1, BUT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY COULD BE UTILIZED AS, AND AGAIN, FORGIVE ME FOR MAKING A SUGGESTION, IF THERE'S A RESTAURANT IN THAT BUILDING AND THEY CAN GO ACROSS THE STREET AND IT'S AN OPEN AREA WITH PICNIC TABLES AND I DON'T KNOW, A SWING SET OR SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN USE THAT LAKE, ONCE YOU BUILD THERE, IT'S GONE.
WE'RE LOSING THAT SITE AND THAT IS A PRIME SITE AND THAT'S WHAT I HATE TO SEE GO.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M SO, SO ADAMANT ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE THAT YOU'VE GOT THAT BIG BEAUTIFUL EMPTY PARKING LOT THAT YOU COULD DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH.
AND, AND THIS THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL VIEW.
WHY BLOCK IT WITH AN APARTMENT BUILDING? SO I CANNOT SUPPORT UH, BUILDING A AT ALL.
I CAN SEE, UM, I CAN SEE THROUGH THE FOG A PART OF BUILDING B AS LONG AS YOU'RE GONNA INCORPORATE THE COMMERCIAL USE.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF GOING FOR VARIANCES AND REZONING AND CHANGING.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AND ALL ITS PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE ZONED IT FOR A REASON AND I THINK SOMETHING CAN FIT IN THERE.
SO I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF REZONING IT OR CHANGING IT OR A USE OR A VARIANCE OR WHATEVER.
IT'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT OVERLOOKS THE LAKE AND I THINK THAT ALL MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SET IT MORE BE SET IT MUCH BETTER THAN I.
UM, BUT I CONCUR WITH ALL OF THEM AND THAT'S WHERE I STAND AND I HAVEN'T CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR.
UM, I MEAN TO FURTHER YOUR POINT, IT THE, YES, WE'LL CALL IT PARK LAKE, I DON'T KNOW THE ADDRESS PARCEL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THE HOOVER PARCEL PROVIDES SOME OUTDOOR SPACE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN BUILDING B.
THAT NOW, I MEAN I WOULD ENVISION THAT ALSO WITH, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME PICNIC TABLES, SOME UMBRELLAS, SOME FOOD TRUCKS.
MAYBE PEOPLE CAN GO INTO THE COWBOY AND BRING FOOD OUT.
I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S LIKE A SUMMERTIME LOVELY USABLE OUTDOOR SPACE THAT IS NOT INCLUDE A SIZABLE BUILDING OF ANY KIND.
MAYBE A SMALL LIKE, YOU KNOW, A REST SHACK RESTAURANT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE.
I UNDERSTAND THERE YOU GOT ICE CREAM
BUT SOMEWHERE OF GO A SPACE TO LIKE SIT AND ENJOY.
I MEAN YOU COULD ALSO MARKET THAT AS AMENITIES FOR THE BUILDING, INCLUDING FOR THE MARK FOR THE MARKET RATE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET THAT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THIS SORT OF PUBLIC SPACE AND AND THAT IT'S UNIQUE AND YEAH.
AND YOU CAN'T HIRE ANY OF THESE WOMEN FOR MARKETING EXPERTS.
I, YEAH, I'M NOT LOSING MY BOARD MEMBERS.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE CURRENT PLAN? I MEAN JUST TO HOLD ON WHAT THEY SAID.
I THINK THERE ARE USES THAT WILL COMPLEMENT THE PUBLIC ACCESS THAT ARE STILL COMMERCIALLY VIABLE.
THAT WOULD ALSO THEN AUGMENT YOUR OTHER USE.
AND I THINK FINDING A WAY TO LEVERAGE THE UNIQUE
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FEATURES OF THIS SITE WITHIN THE ZONE MEETING THE SETBACKS WITHOUT THE VARIANCES.I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF IDEAS THERE IN A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO GO, BUT FINDING SOMETHING THAT COMPLIMENTS THE PUBLIC ACCESS AND THE FEATURES OF THE SITE IS WHAT'S MISSING.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN? THE COLOR ONE.
DO WE HAVE THE COLOR OVERALL PLAN? DO WE HAVE ONE RIGHT BEFORE THIS? TWO TO THE NEXT ONE.
OKAY, SO I'M JUST GONNA TRY AND RESPOND BRIEFLY JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN REACH SOME CONSENSUS ON PARTS OF THIS.
NUMBER ONE AGAIN, SITE A IS THE MOST VALUABLE.
IT'S ON THE WATERFRONT, SOMEWHAT RARE.
SO GIVING IT UP IN ITS ENTIRETY IS GONNA BE TOUGH.
IT IS PRIVATELY OWNED AND I GET THE PLANNING GOAL OR PLAN OBJECTIVE WHY THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT WE HAVE TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME USE THAT IS KIND OF MEETS IN THE MIDDLE AND THERE'VE BEEN SOME ADDITIONAL SUGGESTIONS.
SO WHILE TOM MAY STEP ON MY FOOT AND YOU CAN TOM IF YOU WANT TO, THAT'S GOOD.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE MAYBE WE TAKE BUILDING A, AGAIN, 12 UNITS, THREE STORIES TODAY.
MAYBE WE SCALE THAT BACK IN HALF OR WHATEVER.
POTENTIALLY CONSIDER THOSE BEING FOR SALE.
I THINK UNITS WOULD SELL THEIR ALL.
I DO, I KNOW WE PUSH IT AWAY FROM THE COWBOY, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NEAR THAT FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
IT WOULD BE FOR SALE, WHICH WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH NEXTDOOR.
AND I THINK WHAT I HEAR THE BOARD SAYING IS LET'S LOOK AT SITE B AS MORE OF A BLANK SLATE IN TERMS OF WHY DID WE GIVE UP A FOURTH FLOOR THERE.
MAYBE SEE IF WE CAN ADD DENSITY THERE, MAKE UP FOR THE UH, ECONOMIC SHORTFALL OF RESULTS FROM SCALING BACK SITE A, WHICH IS AGAIN THE MOST VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND COME BACK AND PRESENT THAT.
I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A SOLUTION HERE.
WE NEED TO GET THE INPUT ONE MORE TIME COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND I THINK TOM, IF WE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, TAKE A BROADER LOOK AT THE WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL WITH RESPECT TO SITE A, TAKE A LOOK AT HAVING MAYBE SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY ON SITE B THAT I THINK WE CAN HAVE ULTIMATELY REACH A CONSENSUS.
I DO JUST WANNA REITERATE, I WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THERE IS NO WILLINGNESS TO WAIVER FROM RESIDENTIAL ON A NO.
AND I THINK WHAT THIS BOARD IS ASKING FOR IS CAN WE COME UP WITH A COMMERCIAL USE? CAN WE COME UP WITH SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S THERE? AND MAYBE IF THERE WAS A SMALL BUILDING AND YOU WANTED A SECOND FLOOR WITH AN APARTMENT OR WHATEVER ON THAT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT EVEN LONG-TERM COMMERCIALLY, LIKE I'M NOT GONNA, I YOU GUYS ARE YOUR BUSINESS BETTER TO RUN THE NUMBERS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF BETTER LONG-TERM POTENTIAL WITH SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT YOU COULD COME UP WITH OR ENGAGE, ESPECIALLY LEVERAGING THE PUBLIC ACCESS.
YEAH, THE PROBLEM WITH SITE A IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL USES, S MCCORMICK IS JUST, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR PARTY AND STUFF.
SO I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'LL LOOK AT IT, IT'S BIG, BUT THAT THE ANSWER TO EVERY QUESTION IS THE GIANT PARKING LOT I KNOW SITE.
SO YOU'LL NEVER, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'LL NEVER LEASE THAT TO A RESTAURANT WHERE YOU SAY ALL YOUR PARKINGS ACROSS STREET.
I KNOW THAT'S HOW THE COWBOY IS, BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT COWBOY BUILDING HAS STRUGGLED IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALL NAME THE LITANY OF TENANTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE.
BUT THAT'S TO ME IS HAVING NOT BEEN TO THE CURRENT ESTABLISHMENT BUT THE OTHER, BUT LIKE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET OR DOING THOSE OTHER THINGS.
I THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT OF GREAT WAYS TO LEVERAGE THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT VERY FAR TO WALK HALF, HALF A BLOCK, 50 FEET TO GO TO A RESTAURANT.
WELL, I THINK IT'S FUNNY IS THAT WE DON'T WANNA WALK, WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO WALK 50 FEET TO A BAR, BUT WE'RE GONNA LET 'EM WALK AND CARRY THEIR GROCERIES TO AN APARTMENT.
THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
WELL, I DO, I AGREE WITH THE CHAIRWOMAN COMMENT THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA LIVE IN SITE AND THAT REALLY NICE SITE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME PARKING SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO, AGAIN, UNLOAD GROCERIES ACROSS STREET.
I, I CAN SEE THAT BEING, THAT'S A FAIR CHALLENGE.
SO I THINK, AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF USEFUL INPUT.
YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE MADE AN EFFORT TO TRY AND COLLABORATE FURTHER.
I THINK LET US GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ONE MORE TIME, AND THEN WE CAN LET, UM, JOSH AND SARAH KNOW IF WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
OR MAYBE WE'D BE BETTER OFF THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN APRIL.
WE ALSO HAVE DECISION MAKERS ON OUR SIDE THAT WE HAVE TO CONSULT WITH, LET'S SAY THE FIRST ONE IN, IN APRIL, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KNOW TODAY.
LET'S, AND THEN MAYBE WE COME IN AND MEET WITH PLANNING AGAIN TOO.
AND THEN, IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO LEAVE THIS AND WE'LL COME BACK AGAIN AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO YOU'RE COMING BACK APRIL 1ST FOR SURE, OR APRIL? APRIL, YEAH.
IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT THERE WHERE WE NEED TO FILE EAF, SO LET'S COME BACK WITH A CONSEQUENCE.
NO, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ANYWHERE NEAR ANY OF THAT.
NO, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE CLOSE TO THAT.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, I MEAN, WE LEFT YOU PRETTY STRONGLY WITH TODAY.
THINK ABOUT COMMERCIAL USES AND WE'LL ALL HAVE AN EASIER GO.
I'M, I'M ALSO LAUGHING AT YOUR, THIS IS THE MOST VALUABLE SITE AND ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, I'M LIKE, OF COURSE IT IS.
DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE ECOLOGICAL VALUE OF AN UNDEVELOPED SITE ON THE LAKEFRONT
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL SEE YOU IN APRIL.
HAVE ENJOY REST OF YOUR EVENING.
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UM, THREE.HE SAID HAVE NICE REST OF YOUR EVENING.
OKAY, OUR NEXT CASE IS, UM, RMV HOLDINGS, LLC REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 4 0 9 1 JEFFREY BOULEVARD.
JEFFREY BOULEVARD'S A POPULAR PLACE, PLACE TO BE.
WOULD YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND JUST PROCEED AND TELL US WHAT YOU HAVE PLANNED? GOOD EVENING.
ANTHONY PANDOLFI WITH CARINA WOOD DESIGN PROJECT ENGINEER FOR THE PROPOSED TWO LEFT SUBDIVISION AT 40 91 JEFFREY BOULEVARD.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY SEEN A CONCEPT PLAN FOR THIS PARCEL.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH A SEPARATE APPLICATION JUST FOR A SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UM, THE BUYER IS LOOKING TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO SPLIT THE SITE INTO TWO PARCELS, 8.6 ACRES ON THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN ON THE LEFT OR NORTH SIDE AND APPROXIMATE EIGHT ACRES ON THE RIGHT OR SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE, UM, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A PUBLIC NEED, A PUBLIC HEARING AND GO THROUGH SECRET REVIEW.
SO REALLY, UM, I GUESS OUR REQUEST TONIGHT WOULD BE TO START THE SECRET PROCESS IF IT HASN'T ALREADY.
AND ALSO, UM, SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND AGAIN, JUST TO EMPHASIZE THIS AS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE APPLICATION FROM THE CONCEPT PLANS YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY SEEN, UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRYING TO, UH, CLOSE ON THIS PROPERTY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I CAN TAKE THEM.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, WE THINK THIS ONE'S A SIMPLE ONE.
SO, UM, NEXT STEPS WOULD BE IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU WANT, THAT'S THE TIME TO ASK ENGINEERING.
BOARD MEMBERS PRETTY POINTED FROM THAT ONE FROM PREVIOUS FOLLOW UP.
THIS WAS PRETTY SIMPLY, WELL, THE FIRST TWO WERE, HE WALKS IN THE PARK.
SO, UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO PARCELS? CORRECT.
UM, SO WE WOULD SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR APRIL 1ST, APRIL 2ND.
MARCH 19TH, I'M SORRY, MARCH 19TH.
I'VE ALREADY SCHEDULED TO, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE THE, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM MARCH 19TH, SEEING THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK THEN.
OUR NEXT, UM, CASE IS STURDY BUILT SHEDS REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL FOR RETAIL, SI, LET ME TRY THAT AGAIN.
REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL FOR THE RETAIL SALE AND DISPLAY OF SHEDS ON A SEASONAL BASIS ANNUALLY FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER, LOCATED AT 5 2 0 0 CAMP ROAD.
DO WE HAVE AN AERIAL OF THIS ONE? I COULD NOT LOCATE AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD.
COREY HOURBACK FROM THE LAW FIRM OF BARKLEY DAMON, JOINED BY, UH, DAVE AND NICK GRA, ALSO JOINED BY BARKLEY DAMON'S NEWEST ASSOCIATE FRIEND DIAZ, MAKING HIS, UH, FIRST APPEARANCE HERE AT THE TOWN OF HANFORD PLANNING BOARD.
UM, THIS IS THE LABORATORY MANAGEMENT FACILITY, UH, VACANT SITE AT 5,200 CAMP ROAD.
IT'S KIND OF JUST SOUTH OF SOUTHWESTERN, UM, AND MOST OF THE VEHICLE SALES LOTS, UH, DIRECTLY SOUTH OF A COLLISION SHOP ACROSS FROM A TRANSMISSION FACILITY.
A LONG VACANT FACILITY THAT'S BEEN USED FOR VARIOUS THINGS THROUGH THE YEARS, INCLUDING SOME VEHICLE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, THE DEALERSHIP.
SHEDS HAS BEEN IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG FOR OVER 25 YEARS.
THE NAME MAY BE FAMILIAR FOR YOU.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEIR SIGNAGE AS YOU TRAVELED ON THE 90 WEST.
THEY WERE AT ZITTELS MARKETS FOR 25 YEARS.
UM, ZI ZITTELS THEN BECAME BUSY BEAVER.
THEY WERE BEAVER FOR A FEW YEARS, AND IT CHANGED HANDS AGAIN.
UM, SORT OF LEAVING STURDY VILLAGE SHEDS AS IN ORPHAN, UH, LOOKING FOR A NEW SITE IN THE TOWN OF
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HAMBURG.AND WE THINK THEY'VE, UH, DONE A GOOD JOB FINDING A SITE FOR SOME ACTIVE REUSE ALONG CAMP ROAD, A A BUSY COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, WHICH IS REALLY ESSENTIAL TO THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
SO STURDY BOAT SHEDS HAS LOCATIONS ALL THROUGHOUT WESTERN NEW YORK, UM, INCLUDING THE TOWN OF AMHERST, UH, TOWN OF CLARENCE, LANCASTER ORCHARD PARK UP IN NIAGARA COUNTY, UH, ON NIAGARA LOCKPORT.
AND THEY, UH, PUT OUT SALES LOCK WHERE THEY DISPLAY, UH, THEY DISPLAY SHEDS AND INDIVIDUALS CAN COME AND LOOK AT THE SHEDS.
THEY WILL SELECT THE SHED FROM THEIR INVENTORY THAT SHED WILL BE BUILT OFFSITE AND THEN DELIVERED TO SOMEBODY'S HOME DIRECTLY.
SO THIS IS REALLY A RETAIL SALES LOTT.
IT'S MANNED BY, UH, A COUPLE PART-TIME SALES ASSOCIATES IN A SHED THAT DOUBLES AS AN OFFICE.
UM, THEY, THEY WILL OBVIOUSLY CITE THEIR SHEDS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE REQUIRED SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT SINCE WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, UM, THE LANDLORD HAS COME TO TERMS ON A LETTER OF INTENT WHEREIN THEY WOULD ALLOW THE SHEDS TO REMAIN ON THE SITE.
AND THE MATERIALS THAT WE SUBMITTED TO YOU, IT STATED THAT THE SHEDS WOULD BE SOLD OFF OR REMOVED AT THE END OF THE SEASON.
THE SALES SEASON IS FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER, SO THE ONLY TIME THE SITE WOULD BE ACTIVATED ARE BETWEEN THE MONTHS OF MARCH AND NOVEMBER.
UH, SHEDS TYPICALLY ARE DELIVERED IN MARCH, ARRANGED ON THE SITE.
THAT IS THE ONLY TIME GENERALLY THAT THERE WILL BE THOSE DELIVERIES MADE ALONG THE CAMP ROAD CORRIDOR.
INDIVIDUALS WILL COME TO THE SITE, UH, VIEW THE SHEDS, AND THEN GENERALLY IN OTHER SALES LOTT, THE SHEDS ARE SOLD OR REMOVED AT THE END OF THE SEASON.
HERE, WE'VE REACHED AN AGREEMENT, UH, IN PRINCIPLE WITH THE LANDLORD TO ALLOW THE SHEDS TO REMAIN AT LEAST THOSE SHEDS THAT WERE NOT SOLD OFF AT THE END OF THE SEASON, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE OFFICE, UH, THE SHED THAT DOUBLES AS THE OFFICE.
IT'S REALLY A HARMONIOUS USE AND A, AND AN EXCELLENT REUSE OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S REALLY NO SITE GRADING OR IMPERVIOUS SERVICES THAT WILL BE NEEDED OUTSIDE OF THE EXISTING, UH, LAY DOWN AREA.
UM, THE SHEDS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED IN THEIR ARRANGEMENT WITH A SITE PLAN PREPARED BY CARINA WOOD DESIGN SO THAT IT ALLOWS FOR ACCESS THROUGHOUT THE SITE, INCLUDING 24 FOOT DRIVE AISLE SO THAT VEHICLES CAN MANEUVER THE SITE.
A PARKING AREA HAS BEEN PROPOSED ALONG CAMP ROAD.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY, UH, THAT'S REALLY IT.
UM, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS A, A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN IN THE TOWN FOR WELL OVER TWO DECADES LOOKING FOR A SITE BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY THEY WERE REQUIRED TO RELOCATE.
UM, THEY'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE WITH THE ERIE COUNTY FAIR, UM, AT THE HAMBURG FAIRGROUNDS AND HAVE BEEN AT THE ERIE COUNTY FAIR AS LONG AS THEY'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE THE MID NINETIES, UH, FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS.
AS I SAID, DAVE AND NICK ARE HERE AND, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? YES.
SO THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST ONE THAT'S IN THE NEW CRI DISTRICT.
UM, YOU GUYS WERE CALLED, WE REZONED THIS AREA LAND OF 2024 TO CRI.
UH, WE HAD THIS USE INTERPRETED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
HE COUNTED THIS AS RETAIL SALES, WHICH IS A PERMITTED USE IN CRI.
SO IT'S GOOD FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UM, AND OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION, SO THERE'S NO COORDIN COORDINATED REVIEW NEEDED.
SO, UM, IF YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A FOLLOWING MEETING AND ASK ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS YOU, AS YOU MAY.
UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT HAPPENS AFTER NOVEMBER? THIS, SO THEY'RE STAYING NOW YEAR ROUND? CORRECT.
SO WE, WE'VE, WE'VE NOT ENTERED INTO LEASE AGREEMENT YET BECAUSE IT'S CONTINGENT UPON THE APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT THE LETTER OF INTENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD ALLOW THE SHEDS TO REMAIN ON THE SITE OUTSIDE OF THE SEASON, BUT THE SALES ACTIVITY WILL ONLY OCCUR BETWEEN MARCH AND NOVEMBER.
SO THEN THIS SITE WOULD BE CLOSED IN NOVEMBER? CORRECT.
SO JOSH, WAS THERE SOMETHING IN THE CRI THAT ABOUT OUTDOOR DISPLAYS, OR AM I CONFUSING THAT WITH LAKEVIEW? THAT WITH LAKEVIEW.
SO THERE'S NO LIMITATION, THERE'S NO OKAY.
BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK IT'S GOOD USE FOR THE LAND.
IT IS, IT USED TO BE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE THROUGHWAY USED TO COME AROUND AND END AND TO THE RIGHT OF IT.
IT IT, AND I'VE LIVED IN HAMBURG OVER 40 YEARS.
THERE USED TO BE A HOTEL IN A THEATER THERE, AND, UM, A LITTLE STRIP MALL THAT I THINK ABOUT 20, 25 YEARS AGO CAUGHT FIRE AND THAT WHOLE AREA GOT BURNED DOWN.
SO IT, THAT WHOLE AREA HAS BEEN BACON SINCE MY HAIR WAS BLACK
THAT WAS JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, ONE IS JUST CURIOSITY BECAUSE I'M FOLLOWING WHAT YOU SAID.
I DON'T HAVE LIKE ISSUES WITH THIS, BUT YOU SAID THAT THE ONLY DELIVERIES WILL BE IN MARCH, BUT THEN UNLESS THE SHEDS ARE SOLD OFF AT THE END OF SEASON, BUT OTHERWISE THEY'RE BUILT OFF SITE.
SO THIS IS JUST A DISPLAY LOCK.
UM, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE REAR OF THE SITE AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN FOR,
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YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY PURCHASES A SHED THAT IS BUILT OFF SITE AND IT CAN'T BE DELIVERED UNTIL WEDNESDAY AND IT COMES IN MONDAY, THAT IT COULD BE STAGED AT THIS FACILITY UNTIL IT WAS DELIVERED.SO THE, THE MAJOR DELIVERY OF THE SHEDS ALL OCCURS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON.
THERE MAY BE INTERMITTENT, UH, MOVEMENT ON THE SITE AS FAR AS A SHED COMING OR GOING, BUT THESE ARE NOT THE SHEDS THAT ARE GETTING DELIVERED TO PEOPLE'S HOMES.
THEY RUN SORT OF LIKE A END OF SEASON SALE WHERE THEY, BY THE FLOOR MODELS, WHERE THEY SELL OFF THE FLOOR MODELS AT THE END.
BUT OTHERWISE THIS IS JUST A DISPLAY.
MY ACTUAL QUESTIONS ARE, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS ALTOGETHER ABOUT THE, UM, THE LAND ITSELF.
UM, I, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST OPEN.
SO I GUESS I WANNA UNDERSTAND THREE THINGS.
I'M HAVING TROUBLE UNDER SEEING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE USE AMONGST THIS PRETTY SIZABLE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU COULD OVERLAY IT ON THE, THE PART, LIKE THE PARCEL ACROSS FROM THE THROUGH A IS MASSIVE AND MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED.
AND THIS, THE SITE PLAN'S NOT GIVING ME ENOUGH TO QUITE UNDERSTAND LIKE THE FOOTPRINT.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY WETLAND IMPACTS THANKS TO LEONA.
I HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL NEW MAP.
AND LIKE, IS THIS THE WHOLE, HOW MUCH OF THIS ARE THEY USING, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S DIRT.
SO DO YOU HAVE TO PAVE ALL OF THIS? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S MORE LIKE MILLINGS.
IT'S KIND OF, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOTED IT WAS USED AS KIND OF A LAY DOWN AREA BY THE DOT AND OTHERS.
SO WE'RE NOT ATTENDING ANY ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
NOT GONNA BE ANY EARTH MOVING OR, OR LEVELING OF THE GROUND OR NONE ANTICIPATED.
I WOULD'VE EXPECTED YOU TO PAVE IT OR SOMETHING, BUT, OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? UM, MEMBER MCCORMICK? YEAH.
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE USING AN OFFICE OUT OF ONE OF THESE STRUCTURES, UM, IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU GUYS ARE DOING ANY WATER AND SEWER AND ELECTRIC HOOKUP AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO, HOW, WHAT OTHER IMPROVEMENTS YOU MIGHT NEED TO MAKE TO ACCOMMODATE OFFICE USE STAFF ON SITE? NO WATER AND SEWER, BUT THERE WILL BE A GENERATOR FOR PORTABLE ELECTRICITY.
SO WE HAVE LIKE PERMANENT PORTA-POTTIES ON LIKE, WHAT'S THE RESTROOM FACILITY PLAN? SO WE HAVE DONE PORTA-POTTIES IN THE PAST.
UM, THE SALES ASSOCIATES, UM, HAVE BREAKS.
UM, AND SO THEY, IF THEY NEED TO USE THE FACILITIES THAT ON THE SITES THAT DON'T HAVE PORTA-POTTIES THAT AREN'T OTHERWISE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE AT BOULEVARD MALL IN EASTERN HILLS MALL.
IN THOSE CASES, THEY USE THE FACILITIES IN THE MALL.
UM, WE HAVE DONE PORTA POTTIES BEFORE.
UM, THE, THE, THE SALES ASSOCIATES WOULD, UM, HANDLE THAT ON THEIR BREAKS.
UM, FOR THE MINUTES, THIS IS A VERY EXPOSED SITE.
WE NEED NOT HAVE ANYONE TRYING, IT'S HARD TO GET OUT HERE TO GET TO A BATHROOM.
NO ONE SHOULD BE RELIEVING THEMSELVES ON THE PROPERTY.
SO I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN FOR THE FACILITIES.
YEAH, WE CAN ADD, WE CAN ADD TO THE SITE PLAN OF, OF, UH, PORT JOHN.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, IN GENERAL, I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE AND GOOD USE OF THIS SITE.
IT'S, I, I'VE BEEN INTO THAT NEXT DOOR IS ENTERPRISE.
LIKE I'VE BEEN IN THAT PARKING LOT OF LIGHT.
IT IS MAILINGS IT LIKE I, IT'S PRETTY FLAT.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE OFFICE SPACE, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING BASE AMEN.
TO DEAL WITH ENTERPRISE OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVEN HAVE A PUBLIC BATHROOM IN THERE, ACTUALLY.
THEY JUST WORK OUT THEIR OWN BUSINESS TO BUSINESS, BUT COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF SOLUTION ON, ON THAT FRONT, I THINK.
AND, UM, IF THERE IS ANY LANDSCAPING OR SIGNAGE OR IMPROVEMENTS AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR LAYOUT AND IMPROVEMENT HERE? I THINK THIS IS A SITE THAT HAS A BLANK CANVAS, MAKING IT MORE INVITING.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THEIR SHEDS IN THEIR YARD AND HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK.
SO ANYTHING YOU GUYS CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE FRONTAGE AS WELL, I THINK IS GONNA BE HELPFUL.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY COMMENTS IS WITH RESPECT TO THE FRONTAGE AND THEN ALSO YOU HAVE THESE LINES THAT ARE DELINEATING DRY VIALS, BUT HOW ARE YOU THEN TREATING, TREATING THOSE SPACES? ARE YOU PUTTING IN ANY SORT OF CURBING, YOU SAID THERE WAS NO EARTH WORK THAT WAS HAPPENING, IT'S JUST GOING ON THE EXISTING MILLINGS.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CURBING OR ANY MODIFICATIONS.
WE'RE JUST LAYING IT OUT APPROPRIATELY TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE DRIVE AISLE DISTANCES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AND THEN HISTORICALLY, HAVE YOU GUYS DONE MORE OF LIKE, UM, LIKE TEMPORARY TYPE OF LANDSCAPING, LIKE AROUND THE ACTUAL SHEDS AND STUFF? YEAH, SO THEY'LL USE LIKE A, A FAKE JUNIPER PLANT AND SOME LIKE THREE FOOT PICKET FENCING TO KIND OF FRAME AROUND THE SHED AREAS TO MAKE 'EM ATTRACTIVE FOR, FOR CUSTOMERS.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, PLASTIC PLANTS DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE A SHANTY TOWN.
AS I SAID, THE, THE TWO MOST, THE TWO CLOSEST FACILITIES ARE AT THE EASTERN
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HILLS MALL AND AT THE BOULEVARD MALL.AND THEY'RE ALONG, UM, MAPLE ROAD AND TRANSIT.
AND SO THOSE TOWNS WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT HOW IT LOOKED.
AND THEY'RE DESIGNED VERY CAREFULLY TO BE A NICE AESTHETIC.
I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WERE ZITS AND PASSING BY AND SO FORTH, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
THAT WAS A HELPFUL, UM, ANALOGY.
THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT I'M TIRED.
UM, I WAS LIKE, OH, I HAVE SEEN THOSE ALL AT ZITS.
AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE A LITTLE VILLAGE.
THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE A SHANTY TOWN.
THEY ALWAYS JUST LOOK A LITTLE LIKE, OH, ETTES ARE FOR SALE.
UM, MY ONLY CONCERN THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THERE'S NO PAVING OR ANYTHING THAT THE ROAD STAYS USABLE.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE ARE DRIVING IN THERE, LIKE WHEN IT SNOWS, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A PLOW? DO YOU PLOW DURING THE WINTER? WILL THEY NOT OPEN? THEY'RE NOT, NO, I KNOW WHAT THEY SAID TILL NOVEMBER, BUT IT COULD SNOW IN OCTOBER, SO YEAH.
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A SNOW PLAN.
UM, OUR EXPERIENCE IS ONCE THE SNOW FLIES, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, NOBODY'S OUT LOOKING AT SHUT.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF AN OUTDOOR USE.
IN FACT, AT THE MALLS I MENTIONED, WE ARE IN THEIR SNOW STORAGE AREAS IS WHERE WE SET UP, SO OKAY.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE OUT OF THERE BY THE TIME THE SNOW FLIES.
BUT IT'S A WELL RECEIVED COMMENT.
PROBABLY THE SAME THOUGHT ON THE SPRING, IF IT'S GONNA GET MUDDY AND NOT HOLD MM-HMM
LIKE THIS SPRING, THIS SPRING WOULD BE A REAL KEY ENGINEERING.
JUST FOR CLARITY, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRIVE AISLES, THE PARKING SPACES AS WELL ARE JUST FOR REFERENCE ON THIS DRAWING TO SHOW YOU A PARKING SPACE THAT YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON IMPROVING THAT OR STRIPING, YOU CAN'T REALLY STRIPE MAILING.
SO TO DO, JUST, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S NOT PLANNED FOR ANY KIND OF CORRECT.
AND THEN TAILORING ON WHAT THE CHAIRPERSON SAID, UH, THE APRON FOR THE DRIVEWAY IS CONCRETE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THAT WILL HELP WITH THE CONCERNS ABOUT ANY KIND OF TRACKING OR JUST ADDING THE TRAFFIC.
I DON'T WANT THE MILLINGS TO BECOME A PROBLEM ON THE, UH, MAIN ROAD.
NOW I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAP.
ARE YOU CLOSER TO ENTERPRISE? ARE YOU ON THAT? YEAH.
END OF IT OR THE OTHER END CLOSER TO WHERE, YEAH, THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE LOCKS THAT COMPRISE THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SPEAKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE OBTAINED, UM, CONSENT FROM THE OWNER THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO COMBINE THOSE THREE PARCELS INTO A SINGLE PARCEL AS THE CONDITION OF YOUR APPROVAL.
UM, WE ARE REALLY ON WHAT I REFER TO AS FRONT TWO PARCELS AND, AND MAYBE I CAN GET SOMETHING TO SUBMIT TO YOU ALL TO SHOW YOU WHERE THOSE PARCEL DELINEATIONS ARE.
UH, BUT YES, WE ARE, WE WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF CENTERED ON THOSE LOTS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE, IT'S MUCH CLOSER TO ENTERPRISE.
SO OUR NEXT STEP IS TO, I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.
WE CONFIRM THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA.
WE'RE DEFINITELY UNDER 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF FACILITY AREA IN HERE.
I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THE TYPE TWO PIECE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BELOW THAT POINT IF WE JUST MAKE SURE WE DOCUMENT THAT WE DON'T NEED.
I JUST DENY, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IS ARE WE DEFINITELY BELOW THE FOUR SQUARE FEET? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU EVEN MEASURE THE SQUARE FEET? AND IT'S ALSO ALL TEMPORARY.
IT'S NOT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING THEM YEAR ROUND, YEAR ROUND WHEN THEY WERE TALKING THEN ABOUT LEAVING THEM YEAR ROUND IN PLACE.
THAT WAS WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.
THERE'S FOUNDATIONS OR BUILT PLENTY.
PROBABLY COULD JUST LOOK INTO THAT AND COME BACK WITH THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE DECISION.
I'M I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S WRONG, I'M JUST ASKING FOR
UM, AND, AND JUST TO YOUR POINT, IT, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS WE'RE AN UNLISTED ACTION, WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT THERE'LL BE NO POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
SO HOWEVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE PROCEEDING THAT, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE NEED TO DO OUR CASE, WE DO OUR USE.
DO WE HAVE AN OPENING FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO PLAN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEP.
AND WE HAVE A MEETING, WE HAVE A OPENING ON MARCH 19TH.
DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT HE'S ABLE TO GET YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU ASKED FOR BY THEN? YES.
I WOULD YOU BE READY BY THE 19TH? YEAH.
I'M LOOKING AT THE TAX MAP AND IT'S STILL NOT SUPER HELPFUL, SO IF YOU CAN JUST HELP WITH THE
ANYTHING ELSE? THEN WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON THE 19TH WITH ALL OF OUR, UH, WITH ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
THERE'S A WHOLE TEAM THAT DIDN'T SPEAK.
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BEFORE I ENDED THE BUS THERE.OUR LAST CASE, MADORSKY REQUESTING A PRELIMINARY PLAN HAS BEEN, UM, WITHDRAWN.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND LET EVERYBODY STRETCH THEIR LEGS BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE REGULAR MEETING.
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AND OUR, UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE REGULAR MEETING WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER, UNDER GOD WILL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
MADAM SECRETARY WOULD PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
CAITLYN SHAMARA, PRESIDENT KIM FINLEY.
OUR FIRST, UH, CASE THIS EVENING IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BUFFALO EMPIRE HOLDINGS, LLC, WHO'S REQUESTING A SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR PROPOSE A SITE PLAN, APPROVAL PROPOSAL TO OPERATE A SATELLITE OFFICE AT BOMAN LAW.
PLLC AT 4 1 2 WEST TWO SEVEN WEST AVENUE.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
JUST, UM, PLANNING FOR THE CHANGE OF USE TO THE OFFICE, THE SATELLITE OFFICE.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE SURE THING LEGAL NOTICE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY BUFFALO EMPIRE HOLDINGS LLC TO OPERATE A SATELLITE OFFICE FOR BOREMAN LAW PLLC AT 4 1 2 7 WEST AVENUE.
THE PUBLIC, A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 5TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN A SLASH SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL.
A PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION ON HOW YOU ARE IMPACTED BY A PROJECT.
A THREE MINUTE RULE WILL APPLY DURING THIS HEARING TO ENSURE THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE HEARD DURING A REASONABLE HOUR.
IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
ALL STATEMENTS MADE DURING A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THE PROJECT SENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE APPLICANT.
SEEING THAT, STATING THAT, UM, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? ANA, IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE.
I KNOW HOW TO 'CAUSE I DO THE ZBA MEDS AND YOU READ THE CBA.
IT'S, I CAN DO IT QUICK THOUGH.
IT'S A-R-B-E-I-T-E-R HYPHEN A-L-L-E-N.
I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND AT THE VARIANCE MEETING, UM, THEY AGREED THAT THERE WAS GONNA, THEY WERE GONNA PUT A FENCE UP ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT I HAD WITH THAT, THAT THIS WHOLE THING.
DO, DO YOU WANT OR NOT WANT THE FENCE? I WANT THE FENCE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? SECOND CALL FOR THIS, UM, PUBLIC HEARING FOR BUFFALO EMPIRE HOLDINGS.
THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BUFFALO EMPIRE HOLDINGS.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING AND PLAINTIFF PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS? ARE WE, DOES THE BOARD FEEL COMFORTABLE TO AUTHORIZE US TO PRODUCE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR THE FOLLOWING MEETING FOR THIS PROJECT? I THINK THAT THE BOARD IS, IS COMFORTABLE, YES.
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SO WE'D WANNA SAY PLAN OF DEFENSE.I THINK IT'S ALREADY, IS IT ALREADY ON THERE? IT WAS ON THE ONE THAT YOU, YOU SENT, YOU HAD THE CBA, CORRECT? YES.
SO WE NEED TO SEE THAT SITE PLAN.
I'M NOT, THE SITE PLAN WE HAVE DOES NOT SHOW THERE'S A FENCE.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE RESOLUTION'S REFERENCED THE RIGHT DATED SITE PLAN.
SORRY, WHICH FILE? 'CAUSE I JUST SEE SURVEY, RIGHT? I SEE 12 MINUTES AND LETTER OF INTENT.
AND THE SURVEY DOES NOT HAVE A FENCE ON IT.
WE NEED THE SPECS FOR THE FENCE.
LIKE, SO LIKE WHAT IS THE ACTUAL FENCE? LIKE WHAT TYPE OF FENCE IS IT? WHAT MATERIALS ARE BEING MADE OUT OF? IS IT CHAIN LINK, IS IT A PRIVACY FENCE? HEIGHT? HEIGHT? ALL OF THOSE DETAILS.
I KNOW IT'S SIX FEET ON MINUTES.
UM, THERE'S CURRENTLY A PICKET FENCE THAT RUNS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WE'D BE MATCHING THAT, UH, AESTHETIC ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE EAST SIDE FENCE IS SIX FEET.
SO YOU REPLACE, YOU'RE ADDING A PICKET FENCE TO THE BACKSIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY, CORRECT? WELL, YES, IT'S, WELL, IT'S THE NORTH SIDE HERE.
IT'S YEAH, THE BACKSIDE I GUESS.
IT'S WHERE'S THE FRONT? BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE AERIAL, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE AERIAL PICTURE, CORRECT.
SO SHE'S, WHERE'S THE NEIGHBOR? THE TOP.
BRIAN, I BELIEVE, WHICH IS TO THE NORTHEAST THERE.
SO THE FENCE IS GOING ON THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S ALREADY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
ON THE EAST, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU EMAIL SARAH A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING FENCE SO WE CAN SEE IT? JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE MANAGING.
I JUST NOT REALLY VISIBLE ON THE AERIAL MAPPING MINE.
AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND AND THEN WE GET THE DESCRIPTION.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET THE INFORMATION ON THE PICKET FENCE.
WE'LL HAVE THE RESOLUTION AND THE, UM, UPDATED CYCLING WITH THE FENCE.
AND, UM, THEY'RE COMING BACK ON THE 19TH.
AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON THE FEBRUARY 19TH.
I'M, WELL, YOU KNOW, WORTH THE WAITS ON TIME.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHY, RIGHT? UM, YES.
OUR NEXT CASE IS SUBURBAN ADULT SERVICES REQUESTING A CHANGE OF USE FROM OFFICE BUILDING TO RESPITE FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 3 0 5 0 ABBOTT ROAD.
UM, AND TONIGHT WE HAVE THE RESOLUTION.
I REMEMBER WE GAVE OUR COPIES, BUT WE HAVE IT ALL.
I GOT CORY TIGER, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
I HAVE NO SCREEN FOR HER GROUP COLLABORATION.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT THE FULL WIDTH OF THE SCREEN FOR THOSE US SITTING ABOUT 40 FEET AWAY.
THAT'S WHY THE PRINT ANYMORE JOSH MAXIMIZE IT.
SO THE FULL WIDTH, EVEN WHEN I WAS JOSH'S AGE, I CAN SEE THAT FAR AWAY.
I CAN'T EVEN, WELL, THE SEEKER IS ROUTINE.
I, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ZOOM PAGE WHI YEP.
I A WIZARD OPTICALLY CHALLENGED CAN SEE IT.
SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, WELL BEFORE YOU READ IT, DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS ANY CONDITIONS ON SITE PLAN APPROVAL? 'CAUSE WE LEFT IT OPEN-ENDED.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEERING ORDER, RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE IT'S A CHANGE OF USE.
THERE'S, THERE IS NO ENGINEERING, NO FINAL ENGINEERING REVIEW.
WE WILL JUST SIGN THAT SITE PLAN SHOULD GET APPROVAL FROM PLANNING BOARD.
I DON'T THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ANY CONDITIONS, DID WE? WE DIDN'T EXCEPT ABOUT THE, THE ONLY THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH THEY HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
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SIDE SPOTS.WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SIDE PUT SIDEWALKS OUT THERE.
SO SIDEWALKS ARE GONNA BE WAIVED OR ARE NOT WARRANTED.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY KINDA LIGHTING FROM A RESIDENTIAL AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN OFFICE.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY OUT LIGHTS IN THE BUILDING.
WE'LL PUT, UM, OUTSIDE LIGHTS OUTSIDE EACH OF THE, UM, EXTERIOR DOORS.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF IT.
DR. SCOTT CAN PLANT LIGHTING THAT
I DON'T WELL IT WAS JUST OUT INCAST.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S OFF THE ROAD.
BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT WOULD BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT IF THEY'RE JUST PUTTING LIGHTING IN THE HOUSE.
IT BE COMPLIANT BECAUSE IT WOULD DOWN, BUT THEN IF THERE'S ANY FUTURE LIGHTING TO ENSURE RIGHT.
BECAUSE I HAVE THE BILL TO PUT ON LIGHTS THAT ARE NOT DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO DARK SKY, UM, ANY LIGHTNING, THE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD FOR CONDITIONS? WE NEED TO NOTE THAT WE'RE NOT AUTHORIZING ANY EX EXTERNAL CHANGES TO THE BUILDING OR THE LOT LIKE THE, I THINK THEY HAVE A PATIO THAT SITTING.
AND A, UH, THAT'S IN THE BACKYARD.
'CAUSE THERE MIGHT BE KIDS AT SOME POINT, SO.
OH, I MEAN, I, I THINK THIS IS MINE.
THE PATIOS NEEDED A BUILDING PERMIT, SO THEY WOULD YEAH.
I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE ON THERE.
UM, MEMBER MCCORMICK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE FINAL, UM, SOUNDS LIKE I MADE IT BIG
IS THAT YOU MADE IT BIG? OR YOU CAN GO SIT UP NEXT TO OGGIE AND READ IT.
WELL, GIE CAN FACT CHECK ME IF I GET THIS WRONG.
UH, I WOULD, UH, SO UNDER, UH, WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, CAN WE GO TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE? NEW YORK STATE
MAKING A, A, A MOTION, UH, RELATED TO SUBURBAN ADULT SERVICES INC.
RESPITE FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 30 50 ABBOTT ROAD, HAMBURG, NEW YORK.
UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE SUBURBAN ADULT SERVICES INC.
RESPITE FACILITY PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE, THE CHANGE OF USE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING FROM THE OFFICE TO A RESPITE FACILITY AT 30 50 ABBOTT ROAD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON FEBRUARY 19TH, 2025.
BASED ON THIS REVIEW, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER AND DOES NOT REQUIRE FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER MCCORMICK.
AND BILL CLARK IS ONE ABSTENTION, UM, CONTINUOUS SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL MEMBER MCCORMICK? YES.
I MAKE A MOTION, UH, FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THE SUBURBAN ADULT SERVICES INC.
THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANT SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT WARRANTED FOR THIS PROJECT.
TWO, ANY LIGHTING WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER MCCORMICK, SECOND BY MEMBER J JACY.
ONE ABSTENTION? YES, MR. CLARK, YOU'RE ALL SET.
OKAY, SO OUR NEXT CASE IS COREY TIGER REZONING REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THAT PRESENTATION.
SO BEFORE POINT UP THERE CHLOE.
SO YOU GUYS WILL RECALL AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, CORY'S, UH, REZONING IS FOR, UH, PROPERTY THAT'S R ONE TO C TWO.
AND WE'LL TOUCH ON LATER, UH, THE REPORT RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU GUYS WILL TOUCH UP ON.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING IS THAT CURRENTLY THE TOWN IS UNDERGOING SOME ZONING CODE CHANGES AND IS UNDERGOING A CREATION OF A NEW ZONING DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE LAKE VIEW AREA, WHICH IS RIGHT ON TIME FOR, FOR CORY'S PROJECT.
THIS PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT HAS GONE THROUGH CODE REVIEW AND IT'S INFORMALLY NOW COMING BEFORE YOU GUYS.
OBVIOUSLY IT WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE TOWN BOARD TO BE OFFICIALLY REFERRED TO THE SUPREME COURT.
SO YOU GUYS WILL SEE IT AGAIN.
SO YOU CAN OFFER FURTHER COMMENT AT THAT POINT.
BUT BEFORE YOU SEE THIS RECOMMENDATION FROM, UH, CORY'S ZO, I WANTED TO PROVIDE
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YOU GUYS WITH WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED FROM CODE REVIEW, JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT INTO THIS PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT.UM, SO WHERE THIS ZONING DISTRICT CAME FROM IS THAT OVER ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AT THE INTERSECTION OF HEALTH, THERE ARE SOME, UH, PROPERTIES OVER, UH, ON LAKESHORE ROAD, IN THE LAKEVIEW AREA THAT ARE ZONED C ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND C TWO.
AND THEY'RE ALL JUXTAPOSED WITH R ONE AND RA ZONING.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT 'EM AT THE ZONING MAP, THEY LOOK REALLY WEIRD.
IT'S A LOT OF HEAVY COMMERCIAL USES ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WHICH IS 50 MILES PER HOUR.
UM, JUXTAPOSE WITH FARMS, RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, BIG LOTS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT ARE EITHER REZONING THOSE PROJECT OR REZONING THOSE PARCELS OR CREATING A UNIFIED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH SOME LOWER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES.
ANOTHER REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT CREATING THIS DISTRICT IS THAT YOU GUYS RECALL THERE WAS A DOLLAR GENERAL IN THIS AREA THAT ULTIMATELY DID NOT GET APPROVAL.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT, UM, SUED OVER IT AND IS LOOKING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICT BE PUT, UM, INTO THE ZONING CODE, UM, FOR HIS PROJECT AS WELL.
SO BECAUSE OF ALL THAT, WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE ZONING CODE, UH, DREW AND I DID, AND WE BROUGHT IT TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS AND THERE STILL ARE SOME ENTITIES THAT WE HAVE TO BRING IT TO.
BUT WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEFORE YOU.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE INTENT OF WHAT WE SAID IS THAT THE LAKE VIEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT FOR SOME LIGHT COMMERCIAL USES ADJACENT TO THE ARTERIAL HIGHWAYS IN LAKEVIEW AREA, THAT BEING LAKESHORE ROAD, ROUTE FIVE AND SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
UM, THE POINT OF THIS, UH, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS THAT USAGE SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED TO DEVELOP, TO DEVELOP IN CONCENTRATIONS OR IN A MANNER THAT WILL BE BECOME A NUISANCE OR A HAZARD TO THE PUBLIC WELFARE AND SAFETY.
UM, THIS DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO HELP PRO, UH, PROTECT ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND RECOGNIZES THAT PARCELS FRONTING ON THE SOUTHWESTERN LAKE SHORE AND THE INTERSTATE 90 MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT DESIGN WILL BE IMPORTANT TO HELP BLEND ANY USES INTO THE NATURE OF THIS AREA, WHICH HAS RURAL, RESIDENTIAL AND IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE TOOK THAT INTENT AND WE PUT TOGETHER SOME PERMANENT USES THAT, LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN THROUGH CODE REVIEW SO FAR AND I'M BRINGING IT INFORMALLY TO THIS BOARD.
LIKE I SAID, IT WILL BE REFERRED TO YOU GUYS OFFICIALLY FROM THE TOM BOARD FOLLOWING THIS MEETING, BUT I WANTED YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF SEE SOME OF THE PERMITTED USAGE BEFORE YOU SEE THIS RECOMMENDATION FROM COREY.
AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE HAVE PERMITTED USES, IF THERE ARE ANY THINGS THAT YOU SEE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT.
UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S PRELIMINARY RIGHT NOW, BUT I'LL QUICKLY JUST RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE PERMITTED USES THAT GAVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
UM, WHOLESALE SALES THAT YOU RECEIVED, I'LL COMMENT ON THERE.
WHOLESALE SALES HAS BEEN A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A DEFINITION.
SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD IS EITHER WE SHOULD SCRAP IT OR DEFINE WHAT WHOLESALE SALES MEANS.
UM, WE HAVE PERSONAL SERVICE USE, WHICH I THINK IS GENERAL OFFICE BUILDINGS AND OFFICES, CUSTOM SHOPS, UM, LIKE PRINTING, ELECTRICAL HEATING, PLUMBING OR WOODWORKING, LANDSCAPING SALES AND SERVICES, WHICH I BELIEVE CORY'S PROJECT WOULD TIE INTO AGRICULTURAL RELIEF AND SUPPORT BUSINESSES, CHURCHES, MEDICAL, AND OTHER HEALTH SERVICES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADDED THAT WE, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN COLD REVIEW IS BANKS.
UH, WHILE BANKS DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS OTHER COMMERCIAL USES, UM, ONE OF OUR THOUGHTS WERE, IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE USE? WE HAVE MINOR RETAIL SALES UP TO 2000 SQUARE FEET.
YOU'LL SEE I HAVE A COMMENT ON THERE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE IN THIS AREA? THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
BUT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR THE BOARD TO COMMENT ON.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE PROHIBITED USES.
SO USES THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
CAR WASHES ANY USES IN AN M TWO OR M THREE DISTRICT.
AND THEN AN ALL ENCOMPASSING, UH, CLAUSE IS THAT ALL USES NOT EXPRESSLY OR CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED ARE PROHIBITED.
UM, AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE SOME USES THAT WE'RE THINKING OF GOING BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT DRIVE THROUGH FACILITIES.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION.
JUST DRIVE THROUGH MEANS DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT AND THAT MEANS DRIVE THROUGH BANK, YOU KNOW, DRIVE THROUGH.
AT TM THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITIES.
SO WE MIGHT WANNA CLARIFY THAT OR WE MIGHT WANNA LEAVE THAT AS IS.
UM, ALLOW COMMERCIAL USES WITH UP TO TWO RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO THAT'S A FORM OF LIKE A MIXED USE IN THIS AREA.
UM, IF THERE ARE GONNA BE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES, THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S TWO, UH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOVE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SHOULD WE EXPAND IT? SHOULD WE GET RID OF IT? THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
PRIVATE RENTAL STORAGE, MANY STORAGE.
UM, WE INCLUDED IN THIS AREA BECAUSE THE ONLY AREAS RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED ARE IN M TWO.
SO, UM, AND BECAUSE THIS AREA IN LAKEVIEW HAS A LOT OF OPEN SPACE THINKING, YOU KNOW, WITH PROPER TRAINING, WITH SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND NEEDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, MAYBE THIS IS THE USE WE WANT TO INCLUDE IN THIS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AND THEN OUTDOOR DISPLAY THAT LITERALLY CAME BECAUSE OF THAT 5,200 CAMP SHEDS, WE THOUGHT OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND OTHER RETAIL SALES MIGHT WANT TO BE ALLOWABLE.
AND THEN FOR ACCESSORY USES, WE'RE THINKING ANY ACCESSORY USE IS PERMITTED IN C ONE AND C TWO AND ANYTHING INCIDENTAL TO PERMITTED USE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL, VERY QUICK SUMMARY OF
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THIS PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.LIKE I SAID, THIS IS NOT FULLY VETTED YET.
WE STILL HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO THIS BOARD.
UM, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE START TO GET THE BALL ROLLING, BUT THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THIS DISTRICT TO GET YOU IN MIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING, UM, BEFORE YOU VOTE ON A, A REPORT FOR, FOR COREY
SO I'LL TAKE THE TIME BEFORE HE COMES UP AND KIND OF EXPLAINS HIS PROJECT TO TAKE ANY QUICK QUESTIONS ON THE DISTRICT, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE DOLLAR GENERAL WAS THE DANGEROUSNESS OF THIS ROAD FOR PEDESTRIANS.
SO I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SMALL RETAIL FACILITIES, THE TYPE OF RETAIL IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, BUT WHAT I, WHAT WOULD REALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WILL IT ATTRACT PEDESTRIANS VERSUS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD MOST LIKELY DRIVE TO.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE WORRY THAT I WOULD HAVE.
AND WOULD IT BE EASIER TO AMEND RA TO INCLUDE LANDSCAPING SERVICES? NO.
WOULD THAT, SO HE'S NOT IN AN RA, HE'S NOT IN RA R ONE, HE'S IN R ONE, HE'S IN R ONE AND HE'S SURROUNDED BY R ONE AND THEN NORTH OF HIM IS C TWO.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S REALLY WEIRD.
HE'S IN, HE'S IN AN AREA THAT, AND THEN SOUTH OF HIM IS RA, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT USES IN A CONFINED AREA.
SO OUR THOUGHT WAS HAVING A UNIFIED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT WE WOULD EITHER REZONE PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY COMMERCIAL, OBVIOUSLY ONLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WOULD BE RESOLVED OR PROPERTIES OR, UH, APPLICANTS WHO WANTED TO PUT A COMMERCIAL USE ON THEIR PROPERTY WOULD BE A PART OF THIS DISTRICT.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE INTENT IS WHEN I SAY COMMERCIAL USES LIKE COMMERCIAL USE.
SO I SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT COMMENT THERE ON MINOR RETAIL SALES UP TO 2000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT AT CODE REVIEW.
THAT MINOR RETAIL SALES KIND OF IS LIKE A CATCH PHRASE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, IT CAN BE INTERPRETED IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
I LIKE YOUR IDEA BILL, OF MAYBE SPECIFYING THAT OR MAYBE IN THE PROHIBITED SECTION OF KIND OF INCLUDING THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE ABSOLUTELY WOULDN'T WANT IN THIS AREA.
KEEPING IN MIND THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, FOR THE, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WITH THE THE DOLLAR GENERAL IS THAT SOUTHWESTERN, AND NOT JUST SOUTHWESTERN, BUT ROUTE FIVE, THERE'S THE 90, THERE ARE A LOT OF HIGHWAYS IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY JUST NOT A WALKABLE AREA.
SO THINKING OF HAVING USES THAT AREN'T ENCOURAGING, YOU KNOW, KIDS AND PEOPLE TO BIKE IN THIS AREA, BUT ALSO GIVING PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO HAVE CREATIVE COMMERCIAL USES, UM, IN THE LAKEVIEW AREA.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING I JUST WANNA ADD, IF I COULD, UM, WHEN JOSH PRESENTED THIS TO CODE, HE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME THAT HE PRESENTED SO WELL WAS THE FACT THAT WE WANNA KEEP LAKE LAKEVIEW, WHICH IS A PART OF HAMBURG IS VERY RURAL.
AND SO, AND THE, THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO KEEP IT RURAL, NOT TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, THE VILLAGE OR DOWNTOWN, WHATEVER.
SO WHEN WE SCOPE THROUGH THIS AND YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE WALKABILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE AREA ON 20, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS.
THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A WALKABILITY THERE.
SO, BUT, SO WE DON'T WANNA ENCOURAGE USES RIGHT.
THAT PEOPLE WOULD WALK AND GET UP THE CARS.
SO, AND THE OTHER THING THAT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS THAT MOST OF THESE PLACES ARE NOT GONNA HAVE A CURB CUT DIRECTLY ONTO 20.
THEY'RE GONNA, THERE'S GONNA BE.
SO THAT WAS THE OTHER THING THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE CONSIDERED.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I'LL LET J KIND OF COME UP AND GIVE A BRIEF.
BEFORE YOU DO THAT, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CONCERNS OR, OKAY, WHERE ARE WE, WHERE ARE WE AT IN THIS PROCESS? IT'S GOING TO CODE REVIEW, IT'LL BE ON THE CODE REVIEW MEETING ON THREE 19 BASED OFF OF SOME OF THE INPUT THAT I JUST GOT FROM BILL, SOME OTHER MEMBERS TO OFFICIALLY BE REFERRED TO THE TOWN BOARD UHHUH, WHO WILL REFER BACK TO THIS PLANNING BOARD OFFICIALLY FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND FOR FINAL.
AND THEN IT'LL GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU PROBABLY WON'T SEE IT TILL WHAT, SECOND APRIL MEETING SECOND IN ORDER TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY.
BECAUSE I NEED TO PUT THE DISTRICT IN PLACE FIRST.
THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS ALLOWING THE USE BEFORE THE PROPERTY IS RESOLVED.
YOU'RE NOT GOING, YOU'RE NOT GOING, HE'S GOING FROM HERE TO, HE WOULD GO TO THE ZBA NEXT.
AND THEN HE IN THE MIDDLE TOWN BOARD TO RESIGN.
HE'S IN THE MIDDLE OF GOING TO THE COUNTY.
BUT WE LEFT OFF, IT WAS EITHER YOU GUYS WERE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT WAS C TWO OR GOING TO THE LAKE TWO DISTRICT.
THAT'S PART OF, WE TALK ABOUT WAY, EITHER WAY IT'S A REONE IT'S A REONE WAY.
I THINK YOU NEED THIS TO PASS.
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GOT SOME HOMEWORK TO DO AS WELL WITH THE COUNTY.I, I COMBINED THE LAND FOR YOU LIKE YOU WANTED.
SO THAT PART'S DONE THEN NOW WE JUST, ALL THE SURVEYS ARE DONE.
UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANTED LAST TIME, IT'S ALL SET.
I SENT IT OVER THE LAWYERS, UH, THE LAWYERS DID ALL THAT STUFF.
THE NEW LEGAL, UM, DESCRIPTION SENT OVER.
SO WHERE ARE WE FROM HERE NOW? DO YOU WANT TO TOUCH ON THE REZONING, HIS REZONING REQUESTS AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED FOR EVERYONE? I THINK I GAVE A HARD COPY TO EVERYONE.
SO, UH, YOU KINDA WANNA JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN YOUR PROJECT.
THERE'S ONE WHAT, WHAT YOUR USE ARE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO.
IT'S A UM, IT'S AN 80 FOOT WIDE, 50 FOOT DEEP BUILDING.
UM, AND I OWN FOUR PICKUP TRUCKS AND THAT'S WHAT WILL GO IN THERE.
I WOULD TAKE THAT PROPERTY DOWN, WHICH WAS A BAR AND A CATHOLIC BOOKSTORE AND THAT'S WHERE THE UH OKAY.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE UM, NEW BUILDING WOULD GO.
I JUST WANNA QUICKLY PROVIDE AN AREA OF ZONING DISTRICTS BECAUSE I KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT NOT YEAH, IF YOU COULD POINT OUT EXACTLY WHICH PARCEL THIS IS.
'CAUSE I HAD PULLED IT UP OVER HERE AND I COULDN'T.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I, WHY YOU'RE LOOK DOING THAT.
DID WE COVER NO OUTDOOR STORAGE? YES.
THAT'S WHY UH, I SAID THAT 40 BY 50 WASN'T GONNA BE BIG ENOUGH BECAUSE YOU COULD PUT UP A 40 BY 50 RIGHT NOW WITH THE, WITH THE HOUSE BEING THERE.
UM, BUT IT THAT WAY I COULD STORE EVERYTHING INSIDE JUST MESH AND REBAR.
I JUST DROVE BY SOMETHING ON 20 AND THEY HAD IT, IT WAS TWO GARAGES AND THEN THEY HAD TWO OLD PICKUP TRUCKS ON THE OUTSIDE.
THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
NO, EVERYTHING'S GOING INSIDE.
I DON'T, MY, ALL MY PICKUPS ARE BRAND NEW.
I DON'T WANT 'EM OUTSIDE ANYWAYS, YOU KNOW.
I MEAN THIS PARCEL HERE, THIS PARCEL HERE NOW ONE PARCEL, THESE YES, YES.
AND JUST FOR, DID YOU UM, SEND THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION EXTENSION? HE'S HERE, HE'S R ONE.
HERE'S THE RI GOT WHAT YOU EMAILED ME.
THAT WAS THE NEW LEGAL DESCRIPTION.
FOR THE TWO PROPERTIES UP HERE IS ALL THE C TWO C ONE IS OUR HOUSE.
UH, THIS IS, OH IT'S LATE LABOR LAKE.
THAT'S THIS WHERE THE CHURCHES AND THAT HELPS CHURCHES.
SEE THE CIRCLE THERE? YEAH, HE'S HERE.
THEN HERE'S ALL THAT C TWO C ONE.
SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN I SAID IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
RIGHT? THOSE ARE THE C THOSE ARE THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAT ARE PRESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, SO WITH THAT, SO UH, HE ORIGINALLY CAME TO CODE.
WE WERE LOOKING TO REZONE FROM R ONE TO C TWO.
UM, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THE USES OF WHAT HE'S LOOKING TO DO FOR STORAGE ARE NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN R ONE.
UM, AND AS I PRESENTED LAST TIME AT THE BOARD OR SUGGESTED MAYBE SUGGESTING THAT THIS BOARD MAYBE RECOMMEND THAT HE GO TO THIS PROPOSED DISTRICT BECAUSE IN THE COMP PLAN, UH, C TWO OR REZONING THE C TWO, ESPECIALLY IN THE LIVING AREA ARE NOT ENCOURAGED.
THEY'RE HIGHLY DISCOURAGED IS THE ACTUAL LIMIT THAT'S IN THE COMP PLAN.
UM, IT ALSO SAYS IN THE COMP PLAN FOR LABOR AREA, NO MORE HOOKUPS TO PUBLIC SEW.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, WITH THAT LANGUAGE BEING IN THERE, YOU'LL SEE IN THE RECOMMENDATION THAT HOW I FRAMED IT IS I'VE GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE SITE AND THE PERFORMANCE OF THE COMP PLAN AND GIVEN QUOTES FROM THE COMP PLAN SPEAKING TO WHY REZONING TO C TWO ARE NOT REALLY ENCOURAGED.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION, HOW I FRAMED IT IS THAT THIS BOARD DOES NOT RECOMMEND REZONING TO C TWO BUT DOES RECOMMEND A REZONING TO THE PROPOSED LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AND THAT ESSENTIALLY HE WOULD BE ABLED AND WOULD AMEND HIS REZONING APPLICATION TO THIS LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ONCE IT IS ENACTED.
AND THAT'S HOW WE, THAT'S HOW WE FRAME THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE REPORT.
SO NOT RECOMMENDING TWO C TWO RECOMMENDING TWO LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR THE REASONS BEING THAT THE COMP PLAN DOES NOT ENCOURAGE REZONING TO C TWO.
BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS APPLICATION WANTS TO DO SOME LIGHT COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS AREA AND CAN'T DO IT IN IT CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THIS LAKE NEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS THE EXACT KIND OF ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE AND ALLOW WHILE ALLOW THESE USES THAT IT WOULD FIT RIGHT A TIMELINE AND IT WOULD, THE TIMELINE WOULDN'T BE TOO MESSED UP 'CAUSE HE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS TO SEE TWO ANYWAY IF HE DID RECOMMEND IT.
SO IT WOULD ALIGN, AT LEAST IN OUR THOUGHTS IT WOULD ALIGN.
SO FEEL FREE TO AMEND AS NEEDED.
SO IF WE RECOMMENDED IT THIS WAY, IF THE TOWN BOARD ENACTS IT, THEY COULD ALSO AUTOMATICALLY REZONE THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT IT COMING BACK TO US.
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ALRIGHT.WHICH WOULD BE THE QUICKEST WAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN WE COULDN'T, HE CAN'T DO C TWO AND HE CAN'T USE IT ON THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S ON.
SO IT'S CAUSING A LITTLE DELAY BUT NOT REALLY AS OPPOSED TO NOT USING THE PROPERTY AT ALL.
THE ONLY THING THEY'VE GOT WITH THE DRAFT, IT'S JUST SEMANTICS.
IS THAT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN? IT SEEMS LIKE THE LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ALREADY EXISTS.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT'S JUST SEMANTICS.
IT'S, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO EVEN CHANGE IT.
'CAUSE THE RECORD'S CLEAR THAT IT DOESN'T EXIST YET, SO.
SO DO YOU WANT THIS WHOLE THING READ? WE DON'T NEED RED.
NEED, IF YOU CONTINUE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO LIKE I SAID, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE RECOMMENDATION OFFICIALLY IS THAT THIS BOARD, BECAUSE OF THE REQUEST WAS FOR C TWO.
SO THE, THIS BOARD DOES NOT RECOMMEND A REZONING FROM R ONE TO C TWO.
BUT DOES RECOMMEND A REZONING FROM R ONE TO LCD KNOWING THAT THE LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS STILL PROPOSED AND WHEN IT IS ENACTED, THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS TO BE REZONED TO THAT DISTRICT.
DO YOU WANT US TO TAKE A VOTE? YES.
SO BASED ON JOSH'S COMMENTS THAT HE JUST REPORTED TO THIS BOARD, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION STANDS SOUNDS GOOD.
AND YOU SURE YOU DON'T? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY AT THIS TABLE WANTED TO READ THESE TWO PAGES.
I THINK IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS MEMBER ANTE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
WALL, KEEP THE CAMERA ROLLING.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THOUGH, QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT THIS AND IN THE CONTEXTS OF THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT ABOUT EITHER EXPLAINING OR REMOVING WHOLESALE SALES.
LIKE I, THAT'S TRULY ON THE ACTUAL DRAFTING OF THAT.
AND THEN THIS MINOR CONCERN AND THEN THE MINOR RETAIL SALES.
IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD, SAME AS WHAT YOU SAID, IF CODE REVIEW COULD MAYBE HONE THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT CONSTITUTES MINOR RETAIL SALES? I MEAN IS IT JUST THE SIZE? IS IT ALSO A LOWER TRAFFIC? LIKE HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE KIND OF BLEND THAT BEHIND? BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING LESS THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET THAT'S LIKE SUPER HIGH VOLUME.
THOSE LIKE MINI COFFEE STANDS THEY HAVE LIKE ORGANIC AND ALASKA THAT ARE LIKE THE SIZE OF STATE TRUCK WOULD BE A DIFFERENT YEAH.
BUT I THINK, YEAH, SO I THINK THAT JUST COMING UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IS, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEND ME SOME OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS, EMAIL THEM TO ME SO I CAN TAKE 'EM TO THE NEXT CODE MEETING.
I CAN DO THAT MEANS THE 19TH, SO LIKE MAYBE LIKE THE TOMORROW.
SO THE SOONER THE BETTER, SOONER THE BETTER.
SO I CAN ADD IT TO THE ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY.
SO, SO YOUR NEXT STEPS ARE THAT YOU'RE JUST PLAYING THE WAITING GAME FOR A LITTLE BIT.
WE'LL SEND THIS ALONG TO THE TOWN BOARD OR WHATEVER THE CODE REVIEW ON THE 19TH, WE'LL THEN REFER IT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE'LL REFER IT BACK TO THIS BOARD.
BUT GOOD THING FOR YOU IS THEY'VE SEEN IT.
SO THAT'LL HOPEFULLY IT'S JUST A LOT OF CLEANUP BASED OFF OF THOSE COMMENTS AND REALLY KIND OF JUST IRONING IT OUT.
THEN WE'LL SEND IT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND HOPEFUL ADOPTION.
AND THEN YOU'LL BE ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS TO BE IN LINE TO REZONE TO THIS NEW DISTRICT.
WHEN'S UH, WHEN DOES THAT VOTE TAKE PLACE? DO YOU KNOW THAT OR NO? YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY VOTE ON THAT.
UM, THE LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD? YEAH, EXACTLY.
PROBABLY APRIL LATE, LATE APRIL, EARLY MAY OR SO.
IT GOES TO CODE REVIEW, THEN IT GOES BACK TO TOWN BOARD OR GOES TO US THEN IT COMES BACK TO US.
GOES TO TOWN FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
SO IT GOES FROM HERE TO CODE REVIEW ON THE 19TH.
THE 19TH NINE FROM COLD REVIEW TO THE TOWN BOARD MEETING ON THE 2020 FOURTH.
NO, MARCH, MARCH, MARCH, MARCH 24TH.
THEN FROM THE TOWN BOARD TO THIS BOARD ON APRIL 2ND.
AND THEN HOWEVER LONG YOU NEED TO GET A RECOMMENDATION DONE, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING, THEN BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE WILL SCHEDULE A PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARING, LET'S SAY LATE APRIL, BEST CASE SCENARIO.
AND THEN THEY WOULD THEN ADOPT THAT NEXT FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING MEETING.
AND IF THEY, BUT ONCE THEY ADOPT IN EARLY MAY, DOESN'T IT KIND OF HAVE TO COME BACK? NO, THEN WE'RE DONE.
AND I DON'T THINK JUST THIS POOL BARN HITS THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THESE FACES FOR THE LAST TIME ZONING.
YOU SHOULD GO AND YEAH, YOU GO, YOU SHOULD GO TO TOWN BOARD, BOARD MEETING, HEARING, AND THEY HAVE A HEARING ON THE ZONE AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS
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ON THAT.I MEAN, ALL I'M ALRIGHT WITH IT.
YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL STAY IN TOUCH WITH YOU ALONG THE PROCESS.
OKAY, OUR NEXT CASE IS TIM HEL REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF TIER TWO SOLAR ENERGY IS MR. HEL HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER WITH SOLAR LIBERTY.
UH, PREVIOUSLY, UM, WE WERE TAKING A LOOK TO SEE, UH, IF THIS WAS IN A FLOODPLAIN, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE TO THE FEDERAL, UH, AREA.
AND SO I HAVE A CURRENT, UH, UPDATED, UH, FEDERAL MAP SHOWING THAT WE'RE NOT NEAR ANY OF THE FLOODPLAINS.
UM, AND, UM, I WASN'T SURE HOW TO PRESENT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD JUST GIVE THIS TO YOU GUYS.
PRE, PREVIOUSLY I BROUGHT THE, UH, STATE'S, UM, WETLAND AND, UH, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD ASKED FOR, UH, UPDATED FEDERAL ONE.
I, IT WAS IN JANUARY, SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME CHANGES BEING MADE.
AND UH, I JUST PRINTED OUT THE MOST CURRENT MAP OF TODAY WE'RE, WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR THOSE
SO WE ASKED FOR A WETLANDS REPORT.
IS THAT SITE VISIT, DIDN'T YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WERE GONNA COMMENT ABOUT, ABOUT PUTTING SOLAR ARRAYS, EVEN IF IT IS IN A WETLAND, YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT.
WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF FOUNDATIONS ARE YOU USING FOR THIS? WE ARE USING, UH, POLE MOUNT.
UM, ARE THEY STRUCTURES, THE SCREW STRUCTURES, ARE THEY BALL STRUCTURES? DO THE SCREW STRUCTURES.
SO TYPICALLY SOLAR PROJECTS ARE NOT REALLY CONSIDERED DISTURBANCE PROJECTS SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD LIKE A STANDARD FOUNDATION LIKE A BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO MM-HMM
UM, SO, AND THEY STAY, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT OFF GROUND.
THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S POLES WITH BASICALLY LIKE, THINK OF IT AS GIANT CORK SCREWS THAT YOU PLANT IN THE GROUND.
LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE A WINE OPENER.
UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY CONSIDERED A WETLAND DISTURBANCE, EVEN IF THERE ARE WETLANDS IN THE AREA BECAUSE THE WETLAND CONTINUES TO SURVIVE AROUND THE, THE SOLAR PROJECT.
UH, BUT I DID NOT LOOK AT THE MAPS TO SEE IF THERE WERE WETLANDS NEAR THIS AREA.
HOW HIGH OFF THE GROUND ARE THEY? THE SOLAR PANELS? WHAT'S THE CLEARANCE? THREE FEET LOCATED OFF THE SITE PLAN.
UH, 10, 10 FEET, UH, BY FOUR INCHES IS THE MAX HEIGHT.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT THREE FEET OFF OF, UH, GROUND CLEARANCE OF STATES.
UM, AND TO YOUR POINT, KAMI, THERE ARE, UM, THERE GENERAL PERMITS OUT RIGHT NOW FROM THE DEC ONE OF WHICH IS FOR COMMUNITY SOLAR BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
FROM THE COMMUNITY SOLAR ONE JUST TO TALK ABOUT.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, THERE WILL BE SCREW FOUNDATIONS.
THERE ARE NOT GONNA BE ANY CONCRETE FOOTERS IN ANY WAY UNDER ANY OF THE POSTS THAT, THAT'S LIKE THE CORRECT AND MINIMUM CLEARANCE IS THREE P.
SO WE HAD ASKED FOR THE WETLAND REPORT, BUT BASED ON THE RULING THAT HAPPENED IN JANUARY.
SO THIS PROJECT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE NEW RULING ON THE WETLANDS.
SO THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, NEW YORK STATES, NEVERMIND, I'M NOT GETTING INTO IT.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT, AND WE'VE, AND WE'VE, SO WE'RE REMIND THIS BOARD, WE'VE HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
CAN WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO NOW WE JUST DO, ARE WE READY FOR A RESOLUTION? IF, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? FIRST OF ALL, FROM THE BOARD AS FAR AS COMFORTABLE, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO SEE THEIR CONDITIONS OR SOME LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO ANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU SHARED.
OH, WE HAVE TO DO SEEKER TO ACTION.
THIS IS AN UNLISTED SEEKER ACTION.
SO SEEKER DETERMINATION, COORDINATE ISSUE.
WAIT, WHAT? YOU'RE BOTH TALKING I DIDN'T, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO A COORDINATED NO.
SO WE CAN JUST MAKE A DETERMINATION.
YOU CAN JUST DO AN ON SEEKER DETERMINATION.
THIS GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION EARLIER.
THIS IS, ISN'T UNCOORDINATED REVIEWED THE SHED OR, UH, UNLISTED? THEN THE
SO WHAT, SO THE SHEDS FROM THE DISCUSSION? I AM NOT, NO, I I'M NOT, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SECRET.
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IT'S OKAY.SO, SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO A COORDINATED REVIEW, WHICH WE DIDN'T DO.
SO DO WE HAVE A SHORT FORM FROM THE APPLICANT ON THIS? SO WE HAVE SECRET SHORT FORM.
IS THAT IN THE SHERIFF POINT? YOU WELCOME.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN, MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE PART TWOS FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS IN THE FOLDER AND NOT JUST THE RESOLUTION.
WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE, THERE IS NO PART TWO ON THIS ONE.
WE TYPICALLY DON'T DO THEM UNTIL YOU, UNTIL YOU'RE ABOUT TO.
SO WE NEED A PART TWO ON SEEKER THEN, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND WE SHOULD AND WE NEED 'EM OFF IN ADVANCE AS IT WORK.
SO WE NEED THAT BEFORE WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT STEP.
YEAH, WE CAN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING QUESTION FOR NEXT.
UM, IS THIS BOARD COMFORTABLE PREPARING THE RESOLUTIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING? SO IF YOU WANNA PREPARE PART TWO FOR SEEKER AND THE RESOLUTIONS FOR FEBRUARY, WHATEVER DATE THAT IS? MARCH.
I DON'T WANNA LET GO OF THIS WINTER.
AND, AND WE WOULDN'T NEED TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME BACK 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO HE WOULD NOT, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE HERE.
YEAH, HE CAN IF HE WANTS TO, BUT, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA HAVE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS BUT I THINK WANTS TO COME BACK THOUGH.
SO YEAH, YOU CAN, SO MARCH 19.
SO FOR CONDITIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, JUST TO RECAP FOR JOSH, IS THERE'S NO CONCRETE FOOTINGS.
THEY'RE ONLY USING THE SCREW PIECES AND I THINK THAT THERE'S NO GRADING THAT'S BEING DONE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THIS.
OR WOULD IT BE THREE THAT ARE ON, ON MY LIST AND THAT NO WETLANDS AND THAT THE WETLANDS REPORT WAS, UM, NO, I WOULDN'T, WE DON'T HAVE A REPORT.
WELL WE ASKED FOR A WETLAND REPORT.
AND HE, HE GAVE US INSTEAD COPIES OF THE WETLAND MAPS.
BUT I THINK CAMMY'S ARGUMENT IS IN SUPPORT OF, WE DON'T REALLY NEED A WETLAND REPORT BECAUSE THEN THIS IS GENERALLY NOT CONSIDERED A WETLAND REPORT WAS NOT NEEDED BASED ON THE TYPE OF USE.
DID YOU GET ALL THAT? I THINK EXACTLY.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR A CONDITION? OKAY.
OUR NEXT CASE IS BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR OF A PROPOSED PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT 7,926 SQUARE FEET TEXAS ROADHOUSE RESTAURANT AND 5 4 5 0.
AND PEOPLE ARE JUST WAITING FOR THIS RESTAURANT.
AND WHILE YOU'RE WAITING, I DO THINK IT'S A WE'LL THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER.
'CAUSE WE GOT THROWN OFF WITH THE LONG, I'M GONNA MAKE MYSELF A NOTE RIGHT NOW.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MATTHEW O TO FED OF THE DEVELOPMENT STAND IN FRONT OF THE BOARD A COUPLE TIMES FOR THIS PROJECT.
AT THE LAST MEETING, THE MAIN DISCUSSION WAS OVER THE BUILDING ELEVATION AND THEN THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE DUMPSTERS.
THE MODIFICATIONS ARE THAT WE HAVE TAKEN THE BUILDING, WE HAVE SLID IT CLOSER TO SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND THE DUMPSTERS HAVE NOW BEEN SHIFTED TO THE BACK OF THE SITE.
AND THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING NOW.
SO FROM THE ELEVATION STANDPOINT, THIS ELEVATION ON THE TOP, THAT IS WHAT IS FACING SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
SO AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THAT IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE.
THE BOTTOM ELEVATION, THAT IS THE SIDE THAT IS FACING THE MAIN PARKING FIELD.
SO THEIR ENTRANCE IS ON THE SIDE FACING THE MAIN PARKING FIELD, BUT THE MAIN SIGNAGE AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATION ARE WHAT FACES SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
THEN YOU'LL HAVE ALSO ON THIS, THIS IS THE DUMPSTERS SET BACK TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM WALMART, THIS IS THE SIDE THAT BASE OF WALMART.
SO THE LOOK OF THE DUMPSTERS BLENDS INTO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING AS WELL.
SO THIS IS HOW NOW THE BUILDING IS ORIENTATED.
SO A VISUAL LOOK FACING SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD
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WITH THE PHYSICAL ENTRANCE FACING THE MAIN PART OF THE FIELD.SO THE, THE SECOND PHOTO IS, WHAT IS THAT ROGERS OR PLEASANT, YOU'LL SEE THAT WOULD BE THE ONE.
SO THE BOTTOM ONE'S GONNA BE SOUTHWESTERN.
THEN THIS WOULD BE THE ONE FROM THE ROAD COMING DOWN FROM ROGERS WOULD BE THIS ONE.
THIS IS THE ONE THEN FROM WALMART.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ONE FROM THE MAIN PARKING FIELD FROM ROGERS OR ON ROGERS BECAUSE THE PARKING FIELD.
SO IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ELEVATION, SO, SO POINT OUT THE MEAT.
SO, OKAY, SO IF WE STAY THERE, SO THE ONE AT THE TOP MM-HMM
THAT ELEVATION IS THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING FACING GOT IT.
THEN THE BOTTOM ELEVATION IS THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING HERE.
THEN THE, FOR THE, THERE'S A, THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THEN THE TOP ONE IS FACING FROM WALMART.
'CAUSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE EXTENSION OF THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, KIND OF CONTINUING OFF OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM ONE IS FROM THIS FACING OFF A FIELD.
TOWARDS ROGER'S WHERE THIS IS, BUT THE, THE MAIN FIELD, BECAUSE THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS STILL ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THE ARCHITECTURAL LOOK IS FACING SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE MAIN CONCERN OF THE BOARD WAS IT SHOULD BE ORIENTATED TOWARDS SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD.
BUT WE STILL HAD THE PARKED FIELD ON THE SIDE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THEY MADE IT, MADE IT WORK.
IN MY OPINION, I THINK YOU DID THE WORK AND MADE IT WORK FOR THE BEST SIDE FOR ALL SIDES.
I WAS GONNA SAY I APPRECIATE THAT.
THE DUMPSTERS SOMEPLACE BETTER.
DUMPSTERS AND LIKE THE WALMART SIDE DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.
AND THE UGLIEST PARTS ON THE ROAD, THAT'S JUST AN ACCESS ROAD.
AND THEN WE HAVE ADDED IN THE EXTENSION OVER HERE OF THE SIDEWALK AS WELL ON THE PLANS TO TIE INTO WHAT WAS REQUESTED, UM, WITH THE WALMART SIDEWALK AS WELL.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, WE ALSO PROVIDED A STORMWATER REPORT FOR THE TOWN'S REVIEW AS WELL, JUST TO SHOW THAT IT MEETS, UM, THE PREVIOUS DESIGN DOCUMENT ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT ENGINEERING REPORT THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GET THE DEC DEPARTMENT BACK IN PLACE.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
UM, SO IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AUTHORIZING US TO MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND IF SO, THERE ARE ANY CONDITIONS YOU CAN THINK OF.
BRAINSTORM IF YOU WANNA GO THAT WELL, I, I THINK EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT TO OFFER AUTHORIZE THE RESOLUTIONS.
DO I SEE EVERYBODY'S HEAD SHAKING? YES.
UM, I, AS FAR AS CONDITIONS, I THINK THAT THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING OF THESE PAST MEETINGS SHOULD COVER.
I MEAN, WE, WE WERE PRETTY THOROUGH.
THE APPLICANT WAS VERY COOPERATIVE.
HE'S, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF A GREAT DE DETAIL WORK IN THIS, IN THIS PROJECT.
AND I THINK THAT THE MINUTES SHOULD REFLECT THAT.
YOU DON'T WANT THE STANDARD CONDITIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS WILL BE REQUIRED.
HOW WE HAVE IT OUTLINED? NO, WE HAVE, I HAVE, I WAS GONNA GET THERE.
SO I, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS AND UM, DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING.
THAT'S ENGINEERING LETTER TOO.
THE ENGINEERING LADDER GOT THE DUMPSTER.
EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT HE MENTIONED.
DO WE HAVE A SITE PLAN? LIKE DO WE HAVE THAT SITE PLAN THAT'S DATED THAT WE COULD REFER TO THERE? THERE IS A FULL YEAH, IT UB SUBMIT A FULL SET OF PLANS AND IT'S NOW 2 18 25.
THING I'M GONNA SAY IS THAT IT'S, I CAN NOT, I CANNOT FIND IT HERE.
I DON'T THINK I GOT IT IN SHAREPOINT.
THE LATEST ENGINEERING HAS SET IS 2 18 25 IS THE UPDATED.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT MATCHES WHAT'S ON THERE.
SO CAN WE GET THAT INTO, HANG ON.
CAN WE GET THAT IN THE SHAREPOINT? SO THEN WE WE'RE RIGHT WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THE RESOLUTION THAT WE CAN MATCH IT AND WE HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
NO, THE SYSTEM WAS NOT WORKING AGAIN, BUT ALL, ALL RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE? DIFFERENCE ON DATA BE LANDSCAPE CLAIMS TWO 17.
JUST 'CAUSE OUR LANDSCAPE CONSULTATION THERE IS JUST A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
BUT THE LANDSCAPING WE'RE ALL SET WITH, WE CAN JUST GET IT IN.
WE CAN GET THAT INTO THIS, INTO THE SHAREPOINT.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL SEE YOU BACK IN TWO WEEKS.
IS THAT RIGHT GUYS? THREE WEEKS.
WE'LL SEE YOU BACK IN ON THE 19TH.
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JOSH, I KNOW YOU'RE TYPING AND YOU'RE UP NEXT AGAIN.THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK INVOLVED.
WELL, NOT WHAT ARE THESE? WE HAVE NEW CHECKLIST.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT, THE CONTENT BE HELPFUL.
THE ELECTRONIC CHECKLIST AND EXECUTE WEEKS THERE RIGHT NOW.
I'M SERIOUS BECAUSE OF THE CHECKLIST.
ALL RIGHT, JOSH, CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
SO JOSH CAN, WE CAN HAVE OUR UNDIVIDED ATTENTION TO MR. ROGERS.
SO THE LAST ITEM ON THE ATTENDANCE DATE IS THE FINAL TIME I'M PRESENTING THE CYCLING REVIEW AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, UM, BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, AS YOU GUYS RECALL, TWO MEETINGS PRIOR.
I'VE GIVEN, UH, A VERSION OF THE CYCLING REVIEW, UH, LAW.
BOTH BEEN ITS REGULAR FORM AND WE STRIKE CHANGES BASED ON THE TWO DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY.
I'VE ALSO GIVEN YOU GUYS SUBDIVISION LAW, UM, OPEN THIS REGULAR FORM AND TRACK CHANGES.
I RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING SPECIFIC TO SOME OF THE ENGINEERING RELATED MATTERS, BOTH IN SITE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
AND I'VE GOTTEN SOME COMMENTS FROM MARK.
I GOTTEN SOME, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIR.
UM, SO TONIGHT IS NOT ABOUT GOING OVER EVERYTHING FOR THE THIRD TIME.
TONIGHT IS ABOUT ANY TYPE OF REVISIONS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS SO I CAN FINALIZE THIS RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS PLANNING BOARD, UM, AND SEND IT ALONG ITS WAY TO THE PROPER ENTITIES FROM HERE.
UM, SO I, LIKE I SAID, I PRESENT, I'VE GONE OVER SITE PLAN REVIEW.
DREW HAS GONE OVER SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
NOW IS ABOUT THE TIME FOR TAMMY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GIVE JUST A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE ENGINEERING RELATED THINGS THAT YOU COMMENTED ON.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN, UH, OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND THEN WE CAN CLOSE THE MEETING.
THE GENERAL COMMENTS THAT I FOCUSED ON WAS, UH, BEING CLEAR OF HOW OUR PROCESS IS RUNNING BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE IS UNDER PSYCH PLAN IT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A SWIP.
SO I ADDED LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY THAT THERE IS A FINAL ENGINEERING APPROVAL STILL REQUIRED AND THAT THE SWIP WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER FOLLOWING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL.
UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE IT ALMOST MADE IT SOUND LIKE YOU GUYS WERE GONNA LOOK AT THE SWIP AND, AND APPROVE IT AS SUCH AND RIGHT.
WHAT IT, WHAT I FOCUSED ON WAS CAPTURING THE FACT THAT AFTER BEING, BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND APPLICATION COMES FOR FULL ENGINEERING, THERE WAS A LOT OF MENTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, BUT I MADE SURE THAT IT CLARIFIED THAT THE FULL CONSTRUCTION PLANS WILL BE APPROVED FOR FINAL ENGINEERING APPROVAL.
AND I USE THAT, THOSE THREE WORDS A LOT.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE CALL OUR FINAL LETTER WHEN I DO APPROVE A PROJECT IS THE FINAL ENGINEERING APPROVAL.
UH, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THEY NEED THAT BEFORE MOVING TO BUILDING PERMITS AND REFERENCE THAT THERE ARE ENGINEERING REVIEW FEES THAT WE CHARGE AT THAT TIME ONCE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE FOCUSED ON.
AND THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF ON BOTH, BUT A LOT MORE ON SITE PLAN, SITE PLAN FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS.
AND JOSH, I HAVE ASKED BOB HAD FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT SOME OF THOSE SPEC SECTIONS THAT ARE IN THERE.
UM, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS UNDER SUBDIVISIONS, A LOT RELATED TO LIKE CREATION OF PUBLIC ROADS AND WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED, NOT ALLOWED MAXIMUM TO MINIMUMS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEN WE HAVE IN ENGINEERING THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.
AND I THINK BOTH JOSH AND DREW HAVE MENTIONED THIS, THAT IF AT ANY POINT IN TIME WE WANNA UPDATE THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS,
UM, THE ENGINEERING UTILIZES THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS AND THAT'S WHAT WE UTILIZE.
LET'S SAY IF AN ENGINEERING FIRM COMES IN AND THEY'RE DOING A SUBDIVISION DESIGN MM-HMM
UM, SO WE WERE CONCERNED THAT SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE TOWN CODE EITHER CONFLICTED OR WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS AND VICE VERSA.
UM, SO TO CHANGE SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE TOWN CODE, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROJECT.
SO IF AT ANY POINT CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS, AND THIS IS INDUSTRY WIDE CHANGES SOMETHING SLIGHTLY, WE'RE USING A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, WE'RE WE'RE CHANGING A DIMENSION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT.
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OUR PUBLIC ROADS, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH CODE REVISION JUST TO DO THAT.WHEREAS OUR GOAL NOW IS TO PUT IN THAT THINGS WILL BE DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS AS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT WAY WE CAN KEEP THOSE STANDARDS UP TO DATE ON A REGULAR BASIS AS MUCH AS NEEDED WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE TOWN CODE.
UM, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DID IDENTIFY A FEW THINGS THAT ARE MENTIONED THAT ARE LIKE HIGH LEVEL GUIDELINES, LIKE A MAXIMUM OR A MINIMUM, UM, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY CAPTURED IN THE STANDARDS.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE SORT OF PULLED OUT OF THE CODE AND WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY REMAIN.
SO WE STILL HAVE TO TWEAK THAT SECTION A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO, UH, NARROWING THAT DOWN.
THAT'S THE REQUIREMENTS THE SIZE.
THAT'S TOWARDS THE END ON THIS, ON THE I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT.
SO I DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO INTO THAT, BUT WE KNOW, THINK IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU SAW THAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, CERTAINLY.
BUT THAT IS, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE EXPERT.
SO AGAIN, IF YOU, IF AN APPROVED SUBDIVISION COMES THROUGH HERE THAT HAS PUBLIC ROADS, THEY THEN HAVE TO GET THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PERMIT OR PIP PERMIT THROUGH ENGINEERING.
WE DO A DETAILED REVIEW, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE ROADS.
AND A PERSON FROM ENGINEERING IS ON SITE WHEN THEY BUILD THE ROADS, THE SIDEWALKS, THE CURBS, UM, AND MOST OF THE STORM SYSTEM, UH, BECAUSE THAT PUBLIC ROAD GETS TURNED OVER TO THE TOWN BECOMES A TOWN ROAD.
SO IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN THAT, UH, TOWN REPRESENTATIVES ARE INVOLVED IN THAT TO ENSURE WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS A GOOD TOWN ROAD AT THAT POINT.
SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF EACH, FOR A SITE PLAN REVIEW, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S IDENTIFICATION, UM, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF IT.
JOSH, BEFORE YOU GO, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A GENERAL QUESTION TO SAVE SOME TIME.
IN REGARDS TO THE SITE PLAN, 'CAUSE THIS HAS BEEN GONE OVER THROUGH CODE REVIEW THROUGH US.
WE'VE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME ON SITE PLAN.
IS THERE ANYTHING GLARING FOR ANYONE THAT THEY WANNA BRING UP THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED? TRYING TO PULL IT UP? I HAVE A COPY.
DO YOU HAVE UM, MARGO'S COMMENTS THERE? I HAVE.
I JUST NEEDED TO GET TO MY SENT EMAIL.
SO WAIT, UM, MARGO'S LOOKING FOR THAT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE, DID YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NO, I HAVE, UH, NO COMMENT.
MS. SHAMARO? YEAH, YOU'RE GOOD.
WE'LL WAIT FOR, I JUST THINK A LOT OF MINE WERE LIKE DRAFTING AND CLARIFICATIONS THAT CAN EITHER DISCUSS SEPARATELY OR YOU CAN FIGURE OUT IF YOU WANNA SEND ALONG.
UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST A LOT ABOUT, IT'S JUST A LOT ABOUT DRAFTING AND CLARIFYING WHERE THINGS ARE MISSING.
LIKE IT SAYS COPIES, HOW MANY COPIES FROM WHO TO WHO? STUFF LIKE THAT.
STREET TREES WERE NOT IN THIS SECTION.
I THINK THAT'S SUBDIVISION OR IS THAT HERE? SUB? WELL THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S STUFF THAT WE'VE COVERED SITE PLAN AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD, THEN I DON'T, I THINK THAT WE'RE, IF THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH SITE PLAN, THEN THAT'S WHERE I WOULD, THAT'S HOW I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT ALONG, BUT MM-HMM
IF MARGO'S GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER.
IT'LL SAVE US SOME BEATING THE BEATING THE HORSE, SO TO SPEAK.
DO YOUR THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, SUGGESTIONS? WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST ON SUBDIVISION? I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT THIS.
I GUESS BECAUSE SOME OF MY COMMENTS ON SUBDIVISION WERE THINGS THAT I WAS LIKE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THIS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS INDIVIDUALLY RIGHT NOW.
UM, I ASSUME WE HAVE TO DO THIS TODAY.
DO WE HAVE TO DO ALL THIS TODAY OR CAN YOU, CAN YOU SEND US A LIST OF MARGARET'S TOPICS IF WE NEEDED TO PREP ON ANYTHING SHE WANTS, THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT? WELL SOME OF IT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, JOSH HAS THIS QUESTION THAT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU THINK THIS, WHEN DOES THIS EXTENSION START? RIGHT? AND THEN LIKE, WHO'S ANSWERING THAT QUESTION FOR YOU? THE TOWN BOARD US.
DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT? DO YOU JUST FIGURE THAT OUT AS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? WELL YOU'RE RECOMMENDING WHAT YOU THINK AND THEN IT SOUNDS MORE ULTIMATELY APPROVES IT OR NOT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THE PROCESS THAT I WAS THINKING OF.
SO ANYTHING, ANYTHING I LEFT THAT WAS A QUESTION OR NEEDED CLARIFICATION? MY
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THOUGHT PROCESS WAS HAVING THE BOARD RECOMMEND WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE.'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE TOWN BOARD IS APPROVING IT AS IS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT IT.
SO KIND OF GETTING YOUR GUYS' THOUGHTS ON, AND SOME OF MY QUESTIONS WERE EVEN, IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED? THAT'S JUST ME GOING THROUGH SUBDIVISION BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE OF ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE'VE HAD MM-HMM
OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THINKING WHAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM, WHAT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM.
UM, AND KIND OF SEEING IF YOU GUYS AGREE OR IF YOU DON'T, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER AREAS THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, I KNOW ONE FOR SURE, UM, TOWN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IS FOR TOWN HOMES.
THE DEFINITION OF TOWN, THE DEFINITION OF TOWN HOUSING.
AND THEN, SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL GET, ESPECIALLY IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE'LL GET AN APPLICATION WHERE SOMEBODY WILL HAVE A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT AND THEY'LL CALL IT THREE DIFFERENT THINGS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE APPLICATION.
THEY'LL START OFF AND CALL IT APARTMENTS AND THEN THEY'LL COME BACK, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE WORK SESSION, SAY NOPE TO TOWN HOMES.
AND THEN THEY'LL COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, NO, WE WANNA DO CONDOS.
AND WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR CONDOS.
AND ONE OF MY THOUGHTS UNDER TOWN HOMES IS THAT IN THE DEFINITION IT TALKS ABOUT NUMBER OF STORIES AT THE, OF THE DEFINITION.
BUT WE HAVE A PATIO REQUIREMENT FOR TOWNHOUSES.
WE HAVE ALL THESE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR TOWN HOMES THAT I DON'T THINK IS REFLECTED IN THE DEFINITION.
SO PEOPLE COME AND THEY TAKE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND THEN IT'S UP TO KE TO PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD ON WHAT WE THINK THAT THEY WANNA PRESENT.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS DO WE NEED TO SHORE UP THE TOWNHOUSE DEFINITION OR IS IT, DO WE NEED TO SHORE UP THE TOWNHOUSE REGULATIONS THEMSELVES? DO WE JUST WANT TO LEAVE IT BE, UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY HAS THAT KNOWN HAS BEEN OUR ISSUE BEFORE, BUT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO GET THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS GOING FORWARD.
SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA ADDRESS NOW? WELL THIS IS A QUITE A SIMPLE DEFINITION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO LIKE TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, UM, DOES THIS ONE SENTENCE COMPORT WITH THE LARGER TOWN HOME SECTION? BECAUSE IF IT DOES GENERALLY THEN I THINK LIKE THE TOWNHOUSES OR TOWN HOMES IS WHAT NEEDS THE WORK MAYBE.
SO TOWNHOUSE ONE OR TWO, ONE OR TWO OR MORE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS HAVING A COMMON OR PARTY WALL SEPARATING DWELLING UNITS.
JUST REFERENCE THE OTHER SECTIONS.
SO SOMEBODY LOOKS AT THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO LOOK AT THE OTHER PART.
LIKE, LIKE REFERENCE LIKE THE SECTION.
OH, THE SECTION OF WHERE THE TOWN HALLS RAINBOW REGRESSIONS ARE MM-HMM
RIGHT? LIKE THAT DEFINITION AND THEN SAY MEETING THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION.
I THOUGHT THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A THE EASIEST WAY TO NOT HAVE ANY CON CONFLICTING THEN THERE'S NO CONFLICTING OR MISINTERPRETATION.
UNLESS THIS, UNLESS THIS SENTENCE IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT.
WELL, SO THIS IS MY, WHERE THE CONFUSION IS, IS ONE OF TWO OR MORE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS HAVING A COMMON PARTY WALL.
DO CONDOS FALL INTO THIS? BECAUSE THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT WE COME BACK TO IS WHAT'S A CONDO? WHAT'S A TOWNHOUSE? WELL, JOSH AND TRY TO PROPOSE A ROW HOUSE WHERE THAT FALL IN.
THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO CALL 'EM WHEN I LIVED IN BALTIMORE.
SO JOSH AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER TODAY.
AND THE CONDOS HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE DEFINITIONS.
WELL, RIGHT, BUT THEY SHARE A WALL.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS LIKE, DOES THAT DEFINITION ALSO ENCOMPASS LIKE HOW ARE WE DIFFERENTIATING TOWNHOUSE AND CONDO AND
I THINK TOWNHOUSES CAN BE CONDOS, BUT NOT ALL CONDOS.
CONDOS I DON'T SEE, BUT THAT'S WHERE
BUT THE CONDOS CAN HAVE A PATIO, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
BUT I THINK IT'S, WHERE IT GETS CONFUSING THOUGH IS BECAUSE CONDO ISN'T DEFINED HERE AND THAT'S THE, IF CONDO AND TOWNHOUSE ARE THE THINGS THAT GET CONFLATED AND WE HAVE ISSUES WITH, THEY SHOULD BOTH BE DEFINED IN THE SAME PLACE AND THEY SHOULD BE DIFFERENTIATED FROM ONE ANOTHER.
YOU HAVE TO FIND THE ONE UNIQUE CHARACTER.
IT'S MORE THAN STRUCTURE THOUGH.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OWNERSHIP TOO.
ASSOCIATIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN HOMEOWNER OWNERSHIP.
A LOT OF THE COMMON AREAS, THE THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, INSURANCE, EVERYTHING.
BUT IS THAT IN OUR CONDO LAW? YES.
IT DOESN'T HAVE, I MEAN, IF THE DEVELOPER OF THE APPLICANT WANTS CONDOMINIUMS, WANTS A CERTAIN KIND OF OWNERSHIP, THEN IT'S GOTTA BE A CONDOMINIUM.
AND THEN IT WOULD, AND IT WOULD WORK THE OTHER WAY.
THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO FIT IN THE CODE.
IF YOU WANNA DO CONDOMINIUMS, IF YOU WANT THE OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE TO BE CONDOMINIUMS, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO FIT IN OUR CODE FOR WHAT CONDOMINIUMS ARE IN OUR CODE.
IT GOES, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME HOURS.
PREDATING MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOL AND GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT CONDO VERSUS
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TOWNHOUSE AND WHERE'S THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE IT FOR SALE.AND I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO NEVER HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN.
AND IF WE CAN PUT PUT THAT IN HERE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE IT IS CONFUSING AND IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW.
AND IF WE'RE JUST CROSS-REFERENCING ALL OVER THE PLACE RIGHT.
WE, AND THEN WE END UP IN A CIRCULAR LOOP AND THAT'S, I THINK WELL AND MAKES, THERE'S A LOT IN HERE.
AND I DON'T, I'M GONNA BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THIS TONIGHT.
WE CAN MOVE SITE PLAN FORWARD, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THROUGH ALL OF THIS TONIGHT.
IF IT WAS CLEAR THAT CONDOS IS AN OWNERSHIP CONSTRUCT.
WHERE A TOWNHOUSE COULD BE DESCRIBES RENTAL, DESCRIBE THE WAY THE BUILDING LOOKS, WHETHER IT'S RENTED OR ALTERED, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? RIGHT.
LIKE THAT'S SO LIKE THE TOWNHOUSE, IT COULD BE A CONDO, IT MIGHT NOT BE A CONDO.
BY DEFINITION IT COULD BE A TOWNHOUSE.
WELL IT IS BY DEFINITION BECAUSE
THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS.
ONE OR TWO RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.
AN APARTMENT ISN'T, IS NOT ENOUGH.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE BOTH HITTING ON WHY WE'VE GONE IN CIRCLES ABOUT THIS.
BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT THE PHYSICAL OF THE BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE REQUIREMENTS AT THE OWNER, BUSINESS, OPERATIONS, WHATEVER.
BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SEPARATE STRUCTURES.
YOU COULD NOT REMOVE ONE OUT OF THE LINE.
LIKE THAT'S NOT REALLY A TRUE EXTERIOR WALL.
IF YOU HAVE A ROW OF TOWNHOUSES, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY STAND, THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED.
SO THAT YOU COULD REMOVE ONE IN THE REMAINING STRUCTURE WOULD BE SOLID.
SO I, BECAUSE THERE'S A COMMON OR A PARTY WALL, I I, I DON'T LOVE THIS DEFINITION EITHER AS TO WHAT A TOWNHOUSE, AND THAT WOULD BE A TOWN DEFINITION TOO.
I MEAN, THERE ARE COMMUNITIES IN, IN DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS WHERE THERE WILL BE TWO UNIT TOWN HOMES MM-HMM
AND THEN AT A CORNER LOT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE A TWO UNIT AND THERE WILL JUST BE ONE UNIT.
BUT IT'S CONSIDERED A, A TOWN, A TOWN HALL AND WITH A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AS PART OF THAT.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S REQUIRED, THAT'S JUST WHAT THAT PARTICULAR CODE ALLOWED MORE IN THAT PARTICULAR TOWN.
THE TOWN OF HAMBURG CAN DO WHATEVER IT WANTS AS FAR AS REQUIRING THAT THEY BE DUPLEXES IN A SENSE TO BE A TOWN HALL.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A, I JUST DON'T LIKE HIS DEFINITION.
AND THE DEFINITION READS TO ME THAT IT INTENDS TO BE EITHER A TOWNHOUSE OR A ROWHOUSE.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO BE.
OR THREE TOWNHOUSES, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? DO APARTMENTS THERE THAT ARE ALMOST BEING COMPLETED BY FRONTIER HIGH SCHOOL IS NEAR WHERE I LIVE.
AND I'VE ALREADY HEARD, HEARD THEM CALLED APARTMENTS, TOWN HOMES, TOWNHOUSES AND PATIO HOMES.
WELL, AND I THINK WE, LET ME TELL YOU, WHEN YOU DO A REAL ESTATE CLOSING, THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.
WHETHER IT'S A TOWN HALL, I, I KNOW THAT, BUT SO PEOPLE USE THE WRONG WORDS ALL THE TIME.
BUT LEGALLY, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO TRANSFER IT, THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
BUT I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE ADVERTISING AND MARKETING.
AS TO HOW THEY DIFFERENT, REALISTIC, DIFFERENT THING OFTEN WRONG.
IS THERE A LIKE A, UM, I'M, I'M MISSING.
OH, THERE'S A, LIKE THE LAWS THAT A UNIVERSAL, UNIVERSAL LIKE KINDA LIKE A UNIVERSAL DEFINITION.
LIKE IF THERE LIKE A, IS THERE A WAY THAT SOMEPLACE THAT SOMEBODY CAN GO TO, TO HAVE LIKE A, TO DRAFT LAW? WHAT'S THE ARCHITECTURE TERM OF ART OR SOMETHING? RIGHT.
AND WE JUST USE THE DEFINITIONS BASED ON THAT.
THE STATE USE LIKE THE, LIKE THE UNIFIED CODE OR I'M, IF THERE'S A TRANSACTION, RIGHT, MAYBE WE TIME TRANSACTION, WHATEVER IT'S BEING CALLED.
IT'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENT CONDOMINIUMS HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF APPROVAL BECAUSE OF THE, THE WAY A CONDOMINIUM RIGHT.
SO YOU DON'T OWN I WOULD AND YOU OWN TOWNHOUSE INSIDE THE FOUR WALLS, LITERALLY INSIDE THE, YOU OWN THE PAINT AND THAT'S IT.
RIGHT? BASICALLY FOR A A TOWN TOWNHOUSE, SHE CAN OWN THE BUILDING, THE TOWN HOME YOU OWN WALL OR YOU CAN RENT IT OR IT COULD BE A CONDO.
RIGHT? IT COULD BE ALL OF THEM.
BECAUSE, SO A TOWNHOUSE IS NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE A TOWNHOUSE, IF IT'S A TOWNHOUSE, IT'S GOTTA FIT IT, IT'S, IT'S A CONDO.
IT'S GOTTA FIT UNDER THE CONDO REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY IT WORKS THE OTHER WAY.
I SAID WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THE DEVELOPER OR THE APPLICANT CLEARANCE.
IF THEY WANT A CONDO ASSOCIATION, THEN IT'S GOTTA FIT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN WOULD HAVE TO FIT THE TOWN CODE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE WAY IT HAS TO STAY, BUT CURRENTLY WOULD'VE TO FIT THE TOWN CODE AS, AS FAR AS IT COULD FIT.
BOTH COULD, IF IT'S A TOWN, IF IT'S A TOWN, THE CONDO OWNERSHIPS IT WOULD'VE TO FIT BOTH EVERY REQUIREMENT OF BOTH.
MM-HMM
AND THESE ARE, SO THE REASON THAT I'M EVEN BRINGING ALL THIS TO YOU IS BECAUSE THESE ARE PART OF THOSE ZONING CODE UPDATES THAT I MENTIONED, LIKE LAKEVIEW COMMERCIALS, PART OF THESE ZONING CODE UPDATES THAT I MENTIONED.
SO THEY'RE COMING IN TWO PHASES WHERE WE'RE PRESENTING A LOT OF THE ONES THAT I'VE GIVEN TO YOU GUYS SO FAR.
AND THEN WE'RE COMING WITH SOME, UH, IN LATE SPRING.
UH, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PIECEMEAL WHERE OUR BRING SITE PLAN REVIEW WOULD HAVE THAT RECOMMENDATION GO TO THE TOWN BOARD AND WE KIND OF STILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT SUBDIVISION? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME, I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, TOWNS IS JUST ONE ASPECT OF RIGHT.
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I JUST
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WENT GOING THROUGH AHEAD, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ON.I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE AS WELL KNOW CAMMI READ YOUR COMMENTS ON.
SO, UM, I THINK STREAMLINE THIS, HOW ABOUT I SEND SITE CLAIM REVIEW ALONG WITH YOU GUYS' RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT IRONED OUT AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO IRON OUT SUBDIVISION.
YOU SEND ME COMMENTS ALONG THE WAY AND I'LL BRING SUBDIVISION BACK WITH ALL THE FOLLOWING
DO YOU WANT US TO KEEP GIVING YOU FEEDBACK? YOU GIMME COMMENTS ON SUBDIVISION? SUBDIVISION FOR, I GUESS I'M ASKING 'CAUSE LIKE ONE OF, THERE'S SOME WETLAND REFERENCES IN HERE AND YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON LIKE, SHOULD WE UPDATE THIS? AND MY COMMENTS WERE LIKE, YEAH, PROBABLY.
CAN WE JUST MIRROR THE NEW YORK STATE LAW? LIKE I CAN GIVE YOU MORE HELPFUL FEEDBACK THAN THAT.
I THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT IN THAT COMMENT ABOUT THE WEBSITE.
'CAUSE THE THING IS THAT IT NEEDS TO GET UPDATED.
THE WET ONES NEED TO BE UPDATED.
'CAUSE IT BASICALLY THE, THE MAPS LIKE BEFORE THE NEW REGULATION, IF YOU WERE ON THE MAP, YOU WERE JURISDICTIONAL.
IF YOU WEREN'T ON THE MAP, YOU WEREN'T JURISDICTIONAL.
SO WE CAN'T RELY ON THAT LANGUAGE WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE CHECKED IN WITH DEC AND ASKED OR LIKE WHATEVER THE LANGUAGE IN THE NEW REG IS.
THAT I DIDN'T HAVE READY TO DRIVE FREE.
NOW THAT'S FOR A DESKTOP REVIEW THAT, SO HAVING THAT, SO HOW MANY PAGES DO YOU WANT DONE BY THE NEXT MEETING? DO YOU WANT ALL OF IT DONE, REVIEWED AND COMMENTED? OR ARE WE DOING FOR ME, AND FOR ME IT WAS NOT EVEN ABOUT THE PAGES.
IT'S ABOUT QUESTIONS, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, DEFINITIONS, THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REVISED.
I MEAN THERE ARE THINGS IN THERE THAT WE KNOW DON'T NEED TO BE TOUCHED.
CAN I RUN THROUGH AND JUST BRING UP WHAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT? SURE.
UM, THEN YOU'VE GOT ON THE, UM, THE DEVELOPER SHOULD ALSO SUBMIT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RELEVANT SEGMENTS OF THE UNITED STATES GEOLOGICAL SURVEY MAPS DE DEPICTING YADA YADA ABOUT THE, WILL YOU GIVE, UM, UH, SITES 20, 20, 30 DASH 13 SKETCH PLAN UNDER SKETCH PLAN UNDER SUBDIVISION OF LAND.
AND IT SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY REQUESTING, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING, WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY REQUIRING THAT THE, UM, DEVELOPER SET PROVIDE THAT.
AND YOU ASK SHOULD WE? AND I SAID YES.
SO THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED OR LOOKED AT.
I SAID IF IT'S NOT USEFUL AND YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT, NO
HOW DO WE KNOW WE KEEP ASKING FOR PUT STUFF ON AN AERIAL OR A TOPO MAP.
RIGHT? WE KEEP ASKING FOR THAT AND WE'RE NOT GETTING IT FROM, SO WE SHOULD BE ASKING FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED ARE WE, DO WE WANT IT OR IF WE DON'T, WE WANT IT, WE WANT IT, WE WANT IT.
AND I THINK THAT WE ALSO SHOULD JUST TO BUILD ON THAT WHILE WE'RE STILL THERE.
IT SAYS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF SUFFICIENT DETAIL.
THAT'S A LOT MORE ACCESSIBLE THAN IT WAS ONCE A UPON A TIME.
I THINK FOR ANY SITE WE SHOULD GET.
YEAH, WE SHOULD GET THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH AS WELL.
WE DON'T NEED A PHOTOGRAPH THOUGH.
THEY CAN USE GOOGLE MAP, JUST CGIS.
THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN AC ANCHORAGE LIMIT.
WHAT IS THE PHOTO? RIGHT? IT IS A PHOTO THEN IN, UM, SECTION 2 30 14 C, UM, SIGNS AND NOTIFICATIONS.
WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY HAMMERED THAT.
WE'VE ALREADY HAMMERED THAT INTO THE GROUND.
WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
IT'S JUST THE CHANGE OF KEEP THE CHANGES THAT WE ALREADY MADE.
UM, I THINK ON 2030 OR 2 30 14, UM, THREE SAYS, DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY WHAT INACTIVITY IS, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THESE NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
I WOULD LIKE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS TO LOOK AT 20 TH TWO 30 DASH 14 THREE AND FOUR AND AND THEN HG THREE AND FOUR.
AND THEN I ACTUALLY MADE A PRETTY HEAVY, UM, HANDED REMOVAL IN E UM, BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT, THE SIGN IN SHEET, I JUST GOT RID OF EVERYTHING AND KEPT ONLY THE LAST SENTENCE.
ANY PLANNING ISSUES THAT I IDENTIFIED DURING THE PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD, WHICH CANNOT BE RESOLVED BY TOWN STAFF SHALL REQUIRE RESUBMITTAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
LIKE I JUST GOT RID OF EVERYTHING ABOUT THE SIGN IN SHEET, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LIKE CONVEY THAT TO EVERYONE ELSE.
BUT TWO THIRDS OF THAT PARAGRAPH.
WELL I THOUGHT WE GOT RID OF THAT.
THAT'S ANYTHING, ANYTHING RELATED TO NOTIFICATION, SIGNAGE.
THAT'S ALL DONE SHEET IN THERE.
WELL AND JOSH'S COMMENT WAS LIKE, THIS ALL NEEDS TO BE OVERHAULED.
'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY IT'S NOT DONE YET.
YOU'RE ALREADY, SO YOU MERGED THOSE EDITS INTO THE DOCUMENT FOR US AND THEN CONTINUE.
SO YOU WOULD LIKE, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE THE, I WOULD LIKE BOARD TO LOOK AT G ONE THROUGH FOUR.
AND THEN, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GRANDFATHERING AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND THEN, UM, 2 30 15 B THROUGH E
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AND THAT'S ABOUT THE WETLANDS AND HOW, I'M SORRY, 2 30 15, 11 THROUGH 14 TO LOOK AT IT.SO 20 THIR 2 30 18 UNDER THE WETLANDS AGAIN ABOUT THE BUFFERING.
SO I THINK THE BOARD NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT.
PEOPLE, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUFFERING IS, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING SOME OF THESE ZONES FROM A, A MINOR COMMERCIAL USE AND IT'S GONNA BE A, A BUDDING, UM, RESIDENTIAL.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO START PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT OTHER CITIES ARE, AND THEY'RE INCREASING THEIR, THEIR BUFFERING AND THEIR DISTANCE.
SO WHEN I SENT, I COMMENTED SOMEWHERE IN HERE TOO, I THINK THAT LIKE THE NEW WETLAND REGS HAVE CHANGED THE BUFFERS AND LIKE THE BUFFERS ARE, BUFFERS ARE NOT A MADE OF TERM.
IT'S A REQUIRED THING IN STATE LAW.
SO WE SHOULD CHECK WHAT THE NEW LAW, WHAT THE NEW REQUIREMENT IS BUFFER IS, AND THEN EITHER MAKE THIS MATCH OR IF WE WANT IT, IF THIS, BUT IF IT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE, LIKE IT'S A FLOOR, WE CAN GO ABOVE IT.
BUT I JUST DIDN'T DO THE SIDE BY SIDE.
BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S BIGGER BUFFERS IN THE NEW RACK.
SO IN, SO WE JUST NEED TO COMPARE AGAIN AND I CAN TALK JASON OF THAT.
AND 2 30 21 PARK ACTIVE AND PASSIVE RECREATION.
THE TOWN HAS GOT IN TROUBLE AND WITH THE DEFINITION OF RECREATION.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE ADDED IN HERE ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ON MAINTAINING MM-HMM
THE AREA RECREATION OR WHATEVER.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME ONUS PUT BACK ON THE SUBDIVISIONS AND IT SHOULD BE IN, IN HERE SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ATTORNEYS ARE GONNA SAY ABOUT THAT AND I DON'T WANNA KNOW TONIGHT, BUT I'M, I'M SAYING THAT THAT SHOULD GET LOOKED AT OR IF WE CAN INCORPORATE SOMETHING THAT, SO WE DON'T GO THROUGH WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH REQUEST.
IT ALSO SHOULD BE DEFINING IF WE DON'T ALREADY FURTHER UP THEN IN LINE WITH THAT OPEN SPACE VERSUS IT'S UP THERE.
SO IT'S NO, NO, I MEAN UP AT THE VERY TOP IN THE DEFINITIONS, WE SHOULD ALSO BE DEFINE RECREATION BASED OPEN SPACE.
I MEAN THAT NEED ALSO TO BE A DEFINITION IN THE DEFINITION SECTION AS WELL.
I THINK TWO 30 DASH 21 SEEMS ABUSE.
WE JUST NEED TO LIKE HOLISTICALLY LOOK AT, 'CAUSE THERE ISN'T A DEFINITION FOR ACTIVE OR PASSIVE.
I STILL DON'T THINK THE NON DEVELOPABLE AREAS LIKE SLOPES AND ARIAN AREAS THAT ARE NON BUILDABLE SHOULD COUNT AS PASSIVE RECREATION.
BECAUSE THEY'RE ALSO NOT RECREATIONAL.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO, THAT EVERYBODY, IF YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT'S 2 32 1 2 30 DASH 21 AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE.
'CAUSE THEN WE GET INTO THE ROADS AND THE STREETS OF THAT AND I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO MAKE ANY CALLS ON THAT ENGINEERING.
I'M, I'M REALLY, I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT.
SO IS THAT HELPFUL? APPRECIATE, THAT'S HELPFUL.
I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS WITH MORE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK IS REASONABLE FOR STREET TREES BECAUSE THIS TWO PER FRONTAGE, NOT VARYING BASED ON LOT SIZE, LIKE TWO SHOULD BE A FLOOR AND WHERE WE HAVE LARGER LOTS OR A TON OF LOTS OR WAYS TO COME UP WITH SOME OF THIS, WITH THE SUBDIVISIONS.
WHAT SECTION IS THAT? UH, WELL AND HAVEN'T WE, WE GOTTEN DINGED FROM THE TOWN BEFORE WHERE THEY SAID LIKE STREET TREES ARE NOT SUPER HELPFUL AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE MORE WORK AND THEY ARE GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT COORDINATION THE TREES ELSEWHERE.
AND WE'RE HAVING UNDERGROUND, DEPENDING ON THE HIGHWAY AT THE TIME, BUT CAN WE FORCE PEOPLE TO PUT TREES ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY? MAYBE? LIKE WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BE STREET TREES IF YOU, IF YOU DECIDE TO, TO MAKE IT PART OF LET'S SAY LIKE LOT TREES OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THEM.
THE ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO KEEP THEM? LIKE IS THAT A PERMANENT FIXTURE BECAUSE TREE, TREE IS BY SOMEONE ELSE.
WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE NEXT UM, LIKE ASH FOR SOMETHING DISEASE WILL BE.
OR IN SOME CASES THEY START TO DAMAGE, LET'S SAY THEIR SEWER LINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE SOMETIMES REASONS AND SOMETIMES IT'S
SO MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT MAKING THEM LOT TREES IS THAT THEN THE, A RESIDENT WHO BUYS A HOUSE IS GONNA FEEL THAT'S MY TREE.
I HAVE THE RIGHT TO EITHER TAKE IT DOWN OR KEEP IT RIGHT AS MUCH AS I WANT.
IT'S BREEZE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REMOVE A STREET TREE.
IS THE TOWN PUSHING BACK BECAUSE IT IS AN ANNOYANCE OR BECAUSE IT'S LIKE AN ACTUAL PROBLEM? IT DEPENDS BECAUSE THE VILLAGE IS PUTTING IN STREET.
LIKE, SO I, I WOULD MAYBE THAT'S A WHOLE THING.
I MEAN THE OTHER THING THAT'S WORTH NOTING, AND I'LL GO BACK AND FIND THE WHO THE GUY WAS, BUT THERE'S ALSO A CORRELATION AS EVERYONE COMES IN FRONT OF US, NOT OUR PROBLEM, BUT PROPERTY
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VALUES, THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF BENEFITS THAT LIKE INDUCE RIGHT IN COMMUNITY CHARACTER.THAT TRANSLATE TO OTHER VALUES WITH HAVING TREE COVER.
SO THERE, THERE IS A BENEFIT TO INCLUDING HOW WE DO THAT IS WORTH DISCUSSING.
I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF, AGAIN, DETERMINING AMOUNT OF TREES BASED SOMEWHAT ON FRONTAGE BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE ARE A LOT OF UTILITIES AND SUCH IN FRONT OF A HOME.
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BUT IF YOU HAVE A LARGER LOT, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE TREES THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY CAUSE PROBLEMS. ONE OF THE ONLY PROBLEMS THAT WE WILL ALWAYS FACE IS SIDEWALK.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN PLANT A TREE RIGHT NEXT TO A SIDEWALK AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A PROBLEM.
OTHER TIMES THAT TREE, TREE WILL DESTROY THE SIDEWALK.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SOLUTION TO THAT BECAUSE IF YOU THE TREES IT'S, YEAH.
AND ALSO HOW THEY ACTUALLY INSTALLED.
SO MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO, LIKE THE, THE ARBORISTS THAT WORKS SOMETHING, A FOREST STREET DEPARTMENT OF SOME SORT.
I DON'T HAVE TREE EXPERTS TO TELL YOU IF WE NEED TO DEFINE TYPES OF TREES OR, OR UM, DISTANCE FROM SOME OTHER FEATURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
DY WOULD PROBABLY BE THE PERSON TO ASK, ASK FOR INPUT ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT HAVE SMALL ROOTS IN.
SO ENSURING THAT IT'S THOSE TYPES OF TREES THAT ARE PLANTED IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FIVE FEET ON A TYPICAL STREET OF GRASS THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH.
WHAT EL WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER? I, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.
UM, I WON'T BE WITH YOU ON THE MARCH 19TH MEETING, SO I'M SENDING DREW IN MY PLACE AGAIN.
UH, I'LL BE IN BELIZE SO DON'T OOH.
SO, UH, THE 19TH, THAT'S ALSO CODE REVIEW.
SO CODE WILL BE LED BY SARAH AND THEN DREW WILL COMES TO THE MEETING TO HELP OUT.
I'LL BE HERE UNTIL MONDAY THE 17TH.
SO I'LL SHOW, SEND OUT THE SHAREPOINT ALL THE RESOLUTIONS AND MATERIALS.
SO I'LL ADDRESS DO IS COME AND GIVE YOU THE HISTORY OF THINGS.
SO I'M SURE YOU'LL BE HAVING A COCKTAIL IN OUR HONOR.
YOU HAVE THAT WHILE YOU HAVE THAT PAGE OPEN IN, SEE IT.
THE TOWN'S MASTER BIKE PATH PLAN.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT EXISTED ANYMORE.
I HAVE TO GO, I HAVE TO GO DIG IT.
YEAH, I DON'T, A LOT OF THESE PLANS THAT ARE REFERENCED, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EXIST ANYMORE.
AND SO, UM, OUR LOVELY UM, VICE CHAIR HAS AGREED TO RUN THE MEETING BILL IN CHARGE.
AND, UM, I ARE YOUR TACKLE STALER
AND BEFORE EVERYBODY GOES, I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED AND I KNOW IT'S A LONG DAY.
HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
SO I WAS NOT PRESENT, SO I WILL STATE.
SO WE WELL, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THE MINUTES? DID YOU ALL READ YOUR MINUTES? YES, MA'AM.
DON'T, I'LL JUMP AT ONCE I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
OKAY, SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
MEMBER CLARK AND MEMBER MCCORMICK BOTH ABSTAIN 'CAUSE OF THEIR ABSENCE.