* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:12:12] GOOD [00:12:12] EVENING. [00:12:12] WE'RE STARTING A FEW MINUTES LATE. UM, FOR OUR WORK SESSION WE HAVE, UM, OUR FIRST CASE IS GREENLEAF REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO OPERATE A CANNABIS DISPENSARY AT 3 5 6 0. MCKINLEY IS THE APPLICANT HERE? IS GREENLEAF HERE? OKAY. LAST CALL FOR GREENLEAF. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, UM, WORK SESSION. AND IF GREENLEAF COMES IN BEFORE THE START OF THE MEETING, WE WILL LISTEN TO THEM AT THAT POINT. OUR NEXT CASE IS LARDEN. I'M SORRY. YEAH. LARDEN DISPOSALS REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO OPERATE A C AND D TRANSFER FACILITY. IS THE APPLICANT HERE, UH, REPRESENTING. OKAY, COME ON DOWN TO THE PODIUM. THIS, UM, THIS PROJECT'S LOCATED AT, UM, WEST SIDE OF WOODLAWN AVENUE, NORTH OF SIXTH STREET. CAN YOU TURN THIS ON OR IT'S ON, YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK UP CLOSE TO IT SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. DID JENNY ALREADY LEAVE? WE NEED TO TURN ON THAT OTHER TV. CAN YOU DO THAT? THERE'S NO, UM, THERE'S NO ON SCREEN. OH, OKAY. NEVERMIND. OKAY. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH, SO MY NAME IS CHARLOTTE CLARK. I'M WITH RU ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING AND GEOLOGY. I'M REPRESENTING LARD ON DISPOSAL, UH, WHO IS SEEKING TO OPERATE A CD TRANSFER FACILITY AT THE ADDRESS YOU MENTIONED. UM, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A 360 PERMIT THROUGH NEW YORK STATE DC VERY CLOSE TO, UM, OBTAINING THAT, BUT WE FIRST, THEY DRAFTED US TO, UM, BEGIN COORDINATED, UH, CA REVIEW THROUGH THE TOWN AND ALSO, UM, COORDINATE WITH YOU TO, YOU KNOW, FULFILL ANY SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE. CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT EXACTLY WHAT THE BUSINESS DOES? SO IT'S STRICTLY, HE HAS, UM, ROLL OFF CONTAINERS THAT GET TAKEN TO CONSTRUCTION SITES. UM, PRIVATE PEOPLE CAN HIRE HIM TO DROP OFF DUMPSTERS, ESSENTIALLY HE PICKS 'EM UP, HE WOULD TAKE 'EM BACK TO THIS TRANSFER FACILITY. IT GETS DUMPED ONTO LIKE A SORTING FLOOR AND HE SPLITS IT UP. SO IT'LL BE A LOT OF, UM, DEMO CON LIKE, UH, CON CONCRETE, UH, WOOD SCRAPS, DRYWALL, UM, IT COULD BE SOME RECYCLABLES. HE IS NOT ACCEPTING, UH, PROTRUSIVE, UM, MATERIAL SOLID WASTE. IT'S JUST GONNA BE NON, SO NO FOOD SCRAPS, NOTHING THAT WOULD ATTRACT WRAPS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND ARE THESE, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S DUMPED IN ON THE FLOOR, IS IT INDOORS? YES. SO THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING ONSITE COVERED, UM, THAT THE TRUCKS WOULD [00:15:01] BE ABLE TO UNLOAD, DUMP ONTO THE CONCRETE FLOOR. IT'S THEN STORED IN USING LIKE SMALL ABOUT TO, UM, EXCAVATOR EQUIPMENT SORTED INTO DIFFERENT DUMPSTERS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, RECYCLABLES CAN GO INTO ONE DUMPSTER, THEY GO TO AN ACTUAL RECYCLING FACILITY, UH, WOOD PIECES, TIMBER, THAT STUFF. HE CAN CHIP THAT AT HIS OWN FACILITY AND ON THE ROAD. AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE IS GONNA GO TO, UM, A LANDFILL. SO THERE'S TRUCKS COMING INTO THE SITE MM-HMM . DUMPING THIS MATERIAL, THIS MATERIAL GETS SORTED, IT GETS LOADED ONTO ANOTHER TRUCK AND GETS REMOVED FROM THE SITE. YES. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? CORRECT. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER? THAT'S, SO WE'RE MOSTLY JUST COMING UP HERE TO PRESENT THE PROJECT AND KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHAT YOU GUYS NEED FROM US. OKAY. THANK YOU. PLANNING DEPARTMENT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, DOC? ONLY THAT WE DO NEED TO COMMENCE THE COORDINATED REVIEW WHEN YOU ARE COMFORTABLE DOING SO, AND YOU'LL NEED TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING AT SOME POINT AS WELL. OKAY. ENGINEERING, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN EXISTING ACCESS ROAD. YES. ARE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR ANYTHING NEEDED TO IT? IT IS, IT'S, I THINK IT'S DIRT AT THIS POINT. IT'S NOT PAVED. SO I MEAN THERE IS RUNNING, BUT I DO THINK IN THE SPRING THEY SMOOTH IT OUT. UM, I KNOW IT'S USED BY SOME OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES THAT ARE CLOSER TO GROUP FIVE AS WELL. UH, AND IF IT REMAINS AS IS OKAY. AND JUST IS UPKEEP, THAT'S FINE. IF THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO UPGRADE IT IN ANY WAY, IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE SITE PLAN. UM, THE PLAN I HAVE SHOWS A SPECIFIC LEASE AREA. MM-HMM. UM, AND THEN SHOWS JERSEY BARRIERS BOTH WITHIN AND OUTSIDE OF THAT LEASED AREA. SO THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. THE, SO IT'S, THEY'RE LEASING THE PROPERTY FROM NEW ENTERPRISE STONE LINE. REALLY THE REST OF THE PROPERTY ISN'T GETTING USED FOR ANYTHING. SO NEW ENTERPRISE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE EXTENDING THE PAST SLIGHTLY. UM, THE BARRIERS IS FOR SECURITY, IT'S A REQUIREMENT FROM DEC, UH, FOR THE PERMIT. THEY JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE SITE AND DUMP ILLEGALLY WHEN, UH, A FACILITY'S NOT OPEN, BUT WE CAN SHIFT THOSE SO THEY'RE MORE ON SITE. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT KIND OF JUMPED OUT AS SITE PLAN. MM-HMM . UM, IF, YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THIS IS WHAT HE'LL BE ALLOWED TO DO. SO HE CAN'T SUDDENLY FIND OUT THAT HE CAN'T PUT HIS JERSEY BARRIERS THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF HIS LEASE PROPERTY AND HE WANTS TO CHANGE HIS LAYOUT SOMEWHAT. OKAY. SO I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THE SITE PLAN THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GET APPROVED AND SIGNED IS, IS WILL WORK FOR HIM AS WELL? YES. UM, SO JERSEY BARRIERS AND CONCRETE BLOCKS. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE REALLY PERMANENT FIXTURES, THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE PLACED AROUND, UH, TO CREATE THAT SECURITY, AS YOU SAID? YEAH. AND THEN A GATE. YEAH. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER SURFACE CHANGES? THIS, UH, THE STORAGE AREA, IT IS DELINEATED ON THE PLANT. I'M ASSUMING THAT, THAT IT DOESN'T SHOW ANY KIND OF SURFACE CHANGES. YEAH, NO GRADINGS CAN BE DONE WITH THE SITE WHATSOEVER. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIR. COULD I HAVE ONE THING I FORGOT TO CERTAINLY, UM, THIS DOES NEED COASTAL CONSISTENCY FROM THE ELDER WHEEL, OUR P COMMITTEE AND WE'LL GET THEM ON THEIR, THEIR AGENDA. AND THEY'RE MEETING THAT WON'T BE UNTIL PROBABLY NEXT MONTH. THEY'RE MEETING TOMORROW. OKAY. THEY'RE MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT, SO, YEP, TOMORROW NIGHT. SO THIS IS NOT ON IT FOR TOMORROW? NO. SO NEXT, THE NEXT APRIL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. YES. OKAY. UM, BOARD MEMBERS, WE'LL START OVER ON THIS END AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING. NO. MEMBER MCCORMICK. UM, I THINK GETTING A DETAILED PROJECT DESCRIPTION ABOUT WHAT'S COMING IN, WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHAT THE NATURE OF THE OPERATION IS. UM, I THINK EITHER SOMEBODY MENTIONED TRUCKS, LIKE SO THE NUMBER AND THE SIZE OF THE TRUCKS, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA COME, WHAT THE IMPACTS OF TRAFFIC ARE, THE ROAD UPGRADES. UM, A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE TYPE OF WASTED MATERIALS THAT ARE ACCEPTED AND DIFFERENTIATING WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED. SO IF SOMEONE TOSSES SOMETHING IN THAT ISN'T PERMITTED, HOW IS THAT HANDLED? SO IF SOMEBODY'S DEMOING A BUILDING THAT HAS SOME ASBESTOS IN IT, WHAT'S BEING DONE WITH THAT? IF IT COMES IN OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT, THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ACCEPTED OR GARBAGE PEOPLE CHUCK STUFF IN DUMPSTERS, LIKE HOW IS THAT GONNA BE MANAGED? UM, IS THERE GONNA BE A SEPARATE DUMPSTER ON SITE FOR OFFICE STAFF? HOW ROADMAP COULD BE MANAGED? UM, A MAP OF THE, THE CITY ON AN AERIAL AND A BETTER LOCATION MAP. IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING, SO MAYBE ZOOMED OUT A LITTLE. IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND A HUNDRED PERCENT. UM, [00:20:01] WHERE DIFFICULT MM-HMM . YEAH. ARE YOU LIKE, ARE YOU, IT SAYS WOODLAWN NORTH OF SIXTH. ARE YOU BETWEEN FIFTH AND SIXTH? NO, IT'S NORTH. I ACTUALLY, I THINK WE GOT THAT BACKWARDS. WE FIXED, OH, WE FIXED THE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 AS YOU GO NORTH. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SO IT'S NORTH OF FIRST STREET, NOT SIXTH STREET, NORTH OF LONG. IT'S, IT'S NORTH OF THE FURTHEST NORTH. WE, YEAH, WE CAN REFER ZERO WOODLAND, WHICH IS JUST FROM THE, DOESN'T HELP. IT DOESN'T HELP. SO I THINK HAVING LIKE A MAP THAT, LIKE THIS IS WHERE THE FRONT ZOOMED IN AS WELL AS ONE ON AN AERIAL MAP TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE SITE. YEAH. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL FOR ODORS, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE MANAGED AND IF THERE'S OTHER HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON SITE, HOW THAT'S GONNA BE MANAGED. WHERE IT'S GONNA BE STORED AND ANY NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THESE OPERATIONS, WHAT, WHAT MIGHT IT BE? ARE THEY GONNA BE BREAKING DOWN CONCRETES, JACKHAMMERING, EXCAVATORS, LIKE ANY OF THAT THAT BEEPS UP, YOU KNOW, BACKING UP AND NOISES AND ANYTHING ELSE AS IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A WAY, BUT THERE'S STILL OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES NOT TOO FAR AWAY. YEAH. SO AS PART OF THE PERMIT APPLICATION PROCESS, WE UM, SUBMIT AN ENGINEERING REPORT AS WELL AS A FACILITY MANUAL. SO I CAN SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD. AND IT'S VERY, VERY DETAILED. THEY REQUIRED ALL THAT INFORMATION YOU LISTED, SO I CAN SHARE THAT. IT'D BE ALSO HELPFUL IF YOU COULD SUMMARIZE THAT IN A WAY THAT'S MORE DIGESTIBLE FOR OUR SCOPE AS WELL. OKAY. WE HAVE TO THIS IN THE FILE, THIS FIRST STREET. THAT'S THE NORTHERN MOST STREET. YEAH. SO IT'S UP HERE. WE THOUGHT IT WENT FIRST TO SIXTH BUT'S ACTUALLY, RIGHT? YEAH. SO IT'S NOT A VACANT LOCK. YEAH. SO IS THERE AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT YOU'RE YEAH. ING THIS WHITE BUILDING? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A CINDER BLOCK BUILDING. I'D SAY IT'S ROUGHLY 20, 30 FEET TALL. EXISTING. IT WAS ON THE SIDE ALREADY. OKAY. YOU SAID THAT THAT IS, SO THEN THE ROAD WE'D BE USING IS THIS SORT OF ACCESS ROAD NORTH OF THE CREEK? CORRECT. AND WHAT'S THE ACTUAL ADDRESS? 1808 GIS. IT'S HAVING A ZERO WOOD LOG, BUT IGIS COULD BE FINE. ZERO USUALLY JUST MEANS IT'S MUNICIPALLY OWNED. IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T KNOW THAT GIS, THE SB NUMBER MIGHT BE EASIER YEAH. TO IDENTIFY. OH YEAH. YEAH. WE CAN, WE CAN CHECK THE SBL BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT, BASED ON WHAT WE HAD IN HERE, I WAS LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE. YEAH, LIKE THE SBL NUMBER, YOU SAID IT STARTED WITH THE DATE SOMETHING. YEAH, WELL I WAS LOOKING AT, OH, YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. . WE DON'T HAVE ANY NUMBERS AND I THINK ANY INFORMATION ON DRAINAGE TOO. OH, IT SAYS IN THE THING 1808. SO IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE MEMO IT SAYS 1 8 0 8 LARDEN DISPOSAL SERVICES. NO. SO WHAT IS 1808? IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE NAME OF THE COMPANY? 1808 LARDEN DISPOSAL SERVICES. OH, 1808 IS THE, THE NU THE NAME OF THE FILE IN OUR SYSTEM. OKAY. SO CAN WE GET AN ACTUAL ADDRESS FOR THIS PROPERTY? I DON'T THINK IT HAS ONE. IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE BECAUSE I, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK. 'CAUSE WE DID, WE PROVIDED A LEASE AGREEMENT. I CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT BECAUSE THAT SHOULD HAVE IT. OH, WE HAVE LEASE AGREEMENT. YEAH, I THINK WE WANNA, WE'RE GONNA WANNA UNDERSTAND ANY OF THE NOISE IMPLICATIONS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE TRAFFIC, THE CHANGE IN TRAFFIC VOLUME. AND SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE IN YOUR EAF FORM. AND THEN THAT IS, IS RUSH CREEK RIGHT THERE. RUSH CREEK IS AN IMPAIRED WATERWAY. IT IS VERY GNARLY. UM, AND IT IS ALREADY CAUSING SOME HARM TO WOODLAWN. SO YOU'RE GONNA WANNA, WE WANNA UNDERSTAND, AT LEAST I WANNA UNDERSTAND ANY IMPACT OR RUNOFF INTO THE CREEK. SO IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT, I'M SORRY, ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR MM-HMM IF I MAY. IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT IT SAYS LANDLORD HEREBY LEASES TO TENANT SHOP BUILDING AND SURROUNDING PARK LAW PARKING AT WOODLAWN PROPERTIES. THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF, SO WE NEED TO GET THAT CLARIFIED. SO I'M NOT DRIVING AROUND UPTOWN LOOKING FOR WHATEVER. I WILL SEE IF I CAN TAKE THAT OFF. OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. UM, EVERYBODY. YEAH. UM, I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR FORM AND YOUR HOURS OF OPERATIONS SAYS ON MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SEVEN TO FIVE AND IT STATES THAT IT'S MORNING AND EVENING, BUT THEN FARTHER DOWN IT STATES SATURDAY SEVEN TO ONE. SO ARE THEY OPERATING ON SATURDAY? AND IF SO, WHAT, IS IT STILL TRUCKS COMING IN OR IS IT LIKE OFFICE HOURS? IF I COULD GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT WOULD HELP. YEAH, WE CAN SUBMIT A RISE RISE FORM, BUT THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO [00:25:01] OPERATE ON SATURDAYS AS WELL, EXCEPT ANY TRUCKS THAT RUNNING. OKAY. AND THE HOURS ON SATURDAY WOULD BE WHAT? IT'S, IT IS SEVEN TO ONE. SEVEN TO ONE. SO THE HOURS WERE CORRECT ON PARTS. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE MUST NOT HAVE THE UPPER SECTION. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? MEMBER FINLEY? UM, WILL ANYTHING BE STORED OUTSIDE AT ANY POINT? UH, HIS PLAN IS ONCE A ROLL UP, A SORTED ROLL OFF IS FULL, IT'S GOING OFFSITE. IT'S, IT'S NOT WORTH IT FOR HIM TO KEEP IT, UM, KEEP THE STORAGE. OKAY. IF IT'S NOT FULL, IT WILL BE STORED ON SITE. UM, BUT THE PERMIT IS REQUIRING US TO HAVE THE ROLLS WOULD HAVE TO BE COVERED OR BE STORED INSIDE. SO. OKAY. THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN. THANK YOU. YEP. MEMBER SHAARA, DON'T ANYTHING, ALL MY QUESTIONS WERE ALREADY ASKED. SO I THINK AT THIS POINT YOU MAY HAVE SOME HOMEWORK TO DO TO GET SOME ANSWERS. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO SEEKER IF WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL ADDRESS. THAT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN. UH, WE, WE JUST SP OKAY. DO WE HAVE THAT THOUGH? WE MAYBE. PROBABLY. SO, UM, WE DON'T DO A VOTE. YOU'RE JUST, WE ARE GONNA AUTHORIZE THAT WE'RE GONNA START SEEKER. YEP. AND THEN I'M SORRY, DO WE NEED MORE INFORMATION THOUGH BEFORE WE CAN START SEEKER . BUT YOU HAVE SOME HOMEWORK TO DO BECAUSE WE NEED THINGS THAT THE, THIS BOARD HAS LISTED AND UM, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO COMING BACK TO US. ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT? WELL, UM, YES. YES. BUT 'CAUSE WE CAN'T START THE AGENDA TOMORROW, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT IT ON THIS AGENDA ON THE NEXT AGENDA. ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT AGENDA IS THE 16TH OF APRIL. SHE'S NOT READY. THEY'RE NOT READY. GO AHEAD. SURE. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BEFORE WE SEND OUT THE COORDINATED REVIEW ON THIS, THAT WE GET SOME OF THESE MATERIALS, PARTICULARLY ON THE MAPPING AND THE DESCRIPTION SO THAT WHEN WE SEND OUT THE COORDINATED REVIEW THAT THAT MATERIAL HAS COME IN BEFORE WE AUTHORIZE SENDING OUT THE, WELL THAT'S WHY I SAID SHE'S GONNA SEND IT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THEN YOU, THEY COULD SEND THIS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO INFORMATION. SO YOU WANNA WAIT TILL THE 16TH TO AUTHORIZE THE COORDINATED REVIEW. I WAS SAYING GO AHEAD AND DO IT ONCE WE GOT THE INFORMATION, I THINK THAT'S OKAY, BUT I THINK WE NEED A BETTER WRITTEN DESCRIPTION AND SOME MAPPING TO ACCOMPANY . SO WE'RE GONNA NEED EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANNA SEE BEFORE THE COORDINATED GROUP. 'CAUSE YOU ASKED FOR A LOT OF THINGS. YEP. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW MANY OF THOSE THINGS YOU WANT BEFORE WE SEND A COORDINATED REVIEW OUT. IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT CLEAR. BUT YOU SAID SHE HAD TO SUBMIT ALL THAT TO THE STATE ALREADY SO THEY HAVE IT TOGETHER IN THE PLAN. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. THE MAPPING WITH THE SBL, THAT'S EASY. JUST PRINT THAT UP. SO YEAH, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING IF WE YEAH, MEMBER MCCORMICK, IF SHE SENDS ALL THE INFORMATION WE ASKED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE SEEKER OR START THE COORDINATOR REVIEW. YEAH. I THINK WE JUST NEED A BETTER, JUST I AGREE WITH THIS ON A COUPLE OF THESE APPLICATIONS. THEY WERE LOOKING I KNOW IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING IN A GOOD WRITTEN DESCRIPTION OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO AND THAT MAKES IT HARD TO THEM, RIGHT? NOT UNIQUE TO YOU. NO, NO. IT'S, AND THE REPORTS ARE, IT'S A LOT OF REPETITIVE LANGUAGE SO I CAN CONDENSE IT AND GIVE YOU A BETTER MONTH OUT. PEOPLE STATING STONE. IT'S, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE SBL AT ALL. OH, ON THAT PROPERTY. THERE'S NO SBL IN THAT PROPERTY. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THERE'S GOTTA BE I CAN, YEAH. WELL AT ANY RATE, MOVING ALONG, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. ARE WE OKAY WITH YOU WANTING TO COME BACK TO US ON THE 16TH BEFORE WE ORDER A BOARD MEETING REVIEW? IT SOUNDS LIKE SARAH ROSS HAS CONFIRMED WE GOTTA WANTED, BUT I THINK SHE'S ON TRACK WITH US. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION EITHER WAY, AS LONG AS WE HAVE A BETTER DESCRIPTION THAT GOES ON. OKAY. BECAUSE I HAD A HARD TIME FOLLOWING. I I AGREE. HAVE YOU GUYS ALL LOOKED AT THE LONG EAF? BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE TOO. I, I DID. I AGREE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR. I HAD NOT LOOKED AT THE EAF 'CAUSE I HAD ASSUMED WE HAVEN'T STARTED IT YET BECAUSE IT WAS JUST ON THE WORK SESSION. SO I WILL GO AND DO, I DON'T EVEN SEE IT IN THE FOLDER. I READ IT. JUST ATTORNEY JOSEPH GO ATTORNEY FOR THE PLANNING FOLDER FOR THE PROJECT. JUST ASKING FOR, TRYING TO FIND THE SBL SECRET FOLDER REAL PROPERTY SITUATION. WHO IS THE OWNER? WHO IS THE ACTUAL OWNER? IT'S UH, IT'S NEW ENTERPRISE DON IN LINE. IT IS WHO, WHO ISSUED RELEASE AGREEMENT? ARE THEY KNOW? ARE THEY THE, ARE THEY THE PARTY THAT'S LISTED AS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FOR TAX PAYING PURPOSES? I THINK WHEN I HOOKED IT UP ON PI. OKAY. JUST WONDERING WHO THE APPLICANT IS. YEAH, HANG ON, HANG ON. LET'S, YEAH, LET'S, THAT'S LISTED AS BUFFALO CREST STONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF [00:30:02] YEAH, SO THAT'S WOOD ENDS AND MIKE'S GONNA PICK EVERYTHING UP. RIGHT. SO ACCORDING TO GS MAPPING, THAT IS UH, BUFFALO CROSS STONE AND THE SBL L IS ONE 50.00 DASH ONE 18. SO I CAN USE THAT. OKAY. SO I'M JUST GONNA CLARIFY BASED ON THE DISCUSSION OF THIS TABLE, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED FROM THE APPLICANT ON MEMBER MCCORMICK'S REQUEST, UM, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA SUBMIT THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ONCE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FEELS THAT THEY RECEIVE IT. AND YOU WILL, YOU CAN TOUCH BASE WITH ME. MM-HMM THAT WE'VE GOT IT. THEN WE'LL WE'LL GO, WE'LL MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS, UM, COORDINATED REVIEW. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT STILL? WE'D STILL WANT DESCRIPTIONS AND EVERYTHING AND YOU'LL BE BACK ON THE 16TH OF APRIL TO PRESENT THE REST OF THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? NO. OKAY. NO SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. SPICY FOR WHAT? OH, OKAY YOU GUYS, I JUST THAT ON ON YOUR HEAD. THE REASON WHY WE HAVE IS ANYBODY HERE FOR GREEN? WE HAVE THE UM, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE ALL THE PAPER IS BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DOWNLOAD IT INTO SHAREPOINT. THEY DIDN'T HAVING PROBLEMS WITH SHAREPOINT AND THAT'S WHY YOUR HEAD IS ALL HERE. I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU READ THE LETTER FROM JEFF. IT JUST ALL HAPPENED. JEFF, I KNOW YOU READ THE LETTER FROM BILL. YEAH. YES I DID. OKAY. NO, ANTHONY, WE'RE NOT THE CANADA. CANADA. ARE YOU GREEN? NO, HE'S FROM WELL THAT'S WHY 1940. SEND THEM DOWN. I KNOW YOU WANT ELSE COOKIES. I'M SORRY. MILK KIDDING ME THAT, THANK YOU CINDY FOR BEING PERFECT. I DID SAY THANK YOU FOR THE COOKIES I DIDN'T HEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. YOU GIVE A MOUSE OF COOKIE, YOU ASK FOR A GLASS OF MILK. YES. SO SORRY. SHOULD GO DO THESE. MAKE THEM DOWN THERE. YOU WANT A COOKIE? A COOKIE? EVERYTHING TOLD WORK. I'M NOT TAKING THEM. YOU GUYS NEED, OKAY. I THINK JOSH IS, DREW WILL ALWAYS TAKE DREW. DO YOU NEED A SUGAR COOKIE? HELLO ALL FRIENDS? WOULD YOU LIKE A COOKIE? WE GOT FIVE MINUTES WHEN TALK 20 WETLAND. YOU GOT THREE MINUTES. HAVE HAVE IT START LATE. I'M GONNA LOSE MY VOICE. I JUST WANNA VERIFY THAT GREENLEAF HAS NOT ENTERED INTO THE ROOM THAT DOES THAT DID IT. THE PERSON WHO'S REPRESENTING GREENLEAF FOR THE PUBLIC CARE FOR THE, UM, WORK SESSION, ARE THEY HERE? NO. SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MAIN MEETING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR THE WORK SESSION, WE'RE NOT GONNA AUTOMATICALLY RESCHEDULE IT. OKAY. OKAY. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT ON WHAT HAPPENED. IS THE BOARD IN AGREEMENT TO THAT? YOU'RE YOU'RE THINKING THIS I, THE TOUGH PART IS THAT I HAVE TO DO THE AGENDA TOMORROW. RIGHT. SO IF WE DON'T HEAR FROM 'EM, I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT. IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP, SOMEBODY ELSE COULD BE COMING. SO DID THEY, DID THEY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO BE HERE OR DO THEY THINK JUST SUBMITTING THE STUFF AND THEY COULD DO IT ON PAPERS? I DON'T KNOW. AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THEY KNOW. THEY KNOW. YEAH. MUST BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A LOT OF OTHER PERMITS TO GET THIS FACILITY. IT'S NOT RIGHT. BUT A LOT OF THAT STUFF, THEY SEND THE PAPERWORK TO ALBANY, IT'S REVIEWED WITHOUT THEM THERE AND THEN THEY GET AN ANSWER IN THE MAIL A FEW DAYS LATER. I DON'T THINK IT, IT'S ALBANY. SO A FEW MONTHS LATER WE JUST, WHEN WE JUST SPENT SOME TIME WITH THE SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL USE. IS THE WORK SESSION MANDATORY? YES. I THINK IT HAS BASED ON THE REWRITE. RE LIKE, LIKE SENDING PAPERWORK AND SENDING YOUR FEE IS MANDATORY. YEAH. COMING IN AND TALKING. IS THAT MANDATORY? DO THEY HELP RIGHT? YEAH. DO THEY, DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM? YEAH. SO THEY KNEW TO BE HERE? YEAH, I MEAN IT'S BEEN THREE WEEKS OR SO SINCE I TALKED [00:35:01] TO THEM, BUT, SO I THINK WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO THEM AND FIGURE OUT WHAT YEAH, THEY'RE GOOD. IF THERE, IF IT'S A SATISFACTORY ANSWER FROM THEM TOMORROW. DO YOU WANT THEM ON THE NEXT? SHE GONNA BE IN SECOND. I SHOULD GO AHEAD. OKAY. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU GUYS? EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT. YEAH. MUCH. SO MUCH STATE PAPERWORK THAT WE CURIOUS WHAT WAS THE PROJECT THAT WAS DRIVE THROUGH? THAT WAS RIGHT AROUND THERE. RIGHT THERE. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WITH FRIENDLY BUILDING. THERE WAS SLIP AND DRY. I KNOW, BUT I WAS WONDERING LIKE TRYING TO LIKE GO BACK IN MY NOTES LIKE WHEN THAT PROJECT WAS RIGHT, THEY WERE LEAVING THE FRIENDLY BUILDING BY ITSELF WHILE THERE WAS A RESTAURANT THROUGH THE RESTAURANT THAT WAS RESTAURANT THAT HAD DONE, THEY WERE, THEY WERE GONNA KNOCK DOWN THE PREFERENCE INITIALLY BUILDING THOSE. WE GOTTA GO, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW BUILDING. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE, UM, MARCH 19TH, UH, PLANNING BOARD. MEETING TO ORDER. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE OF THE ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE JUSTICE PER ALL SHAMARA. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE WILLIAM CLARK? HERE. CAITLIN MURA? HERE. KIM FINLEY? HERE. AUGIE. JURY SEAT. ABSENT AND EXCUSED. CINDY GROIN. PRESENT. KAITLYN MCCORMICK. PRESENT. MARGO LENTE HERE. THANK YOU. UM, WE HAVE MINUTES FOR THE, FOR THE LAST MEETING. DID EVERYBODY GET TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES, ADDITIONS, COMMENTS? WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE AN MOTION? UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS IS. CAN YOU GIVE THE DATE OF THE MINUTES? OH, I'M SORRY. THERE THE MINUTES FOR THE TWO. MAY MARCH 5TH MEETING 2025. IT'S BEEN MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE MINUTES APPROVED. UM, BOARD MEMBERS, BEFORE WE GET INTO ALL OF THIS WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE HAVE THREE RESOLUTIONS TONIGHT. THE APPLICANTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE HERE. WE HAD THE, THESE ARE THREE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT WE ALREADY LOOKED AT, WE ALREADY DISCUSSED AND THEY NEED THE FINAL VOTE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO THESE THREE UM, RESOLUTIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE BULK OF THE MEETING. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT OR ANY COMMENTS? NO, I LIKE THAT IDEA. SECOND. OKAY, MOVED. AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A. AYE. NONE OPPOSED? SO OUR FIRST RESOLUTION WOULD BE, WANNA MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT ANY ORDER? YEAH. UM, WOULD BE THE WEST AVENUE. YEAH. SO OUR FIRST UM, RESOLUTION IS 4 1 2 7 WEST AVENUE, SATELLITE LAWYER, OFFICE, STATE PLAN, APPROVAL RESOLUTION. UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? CHAIR? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. GO AHEAD. MEMBER MCCORICK, I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THE STYLE OF THE FENCE. YEAH, SO THE PROP APPLICANT SAID THEY'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT A SIX FOOT PICKET FENCE. THAT'S USUALLY NOT, I THINK IT'S A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. YES. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT TO CLARIFY IF PICKET FENCE IMPLIES SOMETHING DIFFERENT AS LONG AS THAT'S WHAT'S OUTLINED ON THE SITE PLAN. WELL THEY DID SEND US A PHOTO OF THE EXISTING FENCE, WHICH THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA MATCH AND THE EXISTING FENCE APPEARS TO BE A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. PRIVACY NOT A FENCE. YES, BUT I DO, I DO AGREE THAT THE VERBIAGE ON THAT RESOLUTION SHOULD BE CORRECTED. SO WELL AGREE. I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THE VERBIAGE IS WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. DO WE WANNA END UP SAYING THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING FENCING? I, YES, BUT IS THERE A CONSISTENT FENCING? YES. YES. ON THE PROPERTY? YEAH, THERE IS. YEAH. MM-HMM THEY SENT THE PICTURE. I DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WAS FOR THAT PROPERTY FOR THE, THAT'S JUST ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. ON THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, SO, OKAY, THAT'S FINE. IT'S A SIX FOOT WOODEN FENCE. OKAY. SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE IS FINE. THAT IT'S CONSISTENT. THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE [00:40:01] ADJOINING PROPERTY. OKAY. WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS RESOLUTION? MR. CLARK, YOU HAVEN'T DONE ONE IN A WHILE. IT'S WRITING OR CHANGE HERE. OKAY. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FROM BUFFALO EMPIRE'S HOLDING LLC TO OPERATE A SATELLITE OFFICE FOR BORMAN LAW PLLC AT 4 1 2 7 WEST AVENUE. AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 5TH, 2025 AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAM PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT AGAINST THE TOWN CODE HAS RECEIVED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER AGENCIES HAS RECEIVED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REPORTS FROM THE APPLICANT AND PROVIDED INPUT TO THE APPLICANT. AND WHEREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PART 6 1 7 OF THE IMPLEMENTING REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO ARTICLE EIGHT STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEEKER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS A TYPE TWO ACTION AND NO FURTHER SEEKER AND ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD ISSUES CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT WARRANTED AS THE PROJECT IS ON A PAPER STREET. TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL CONSTRUCT A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE EAST AND NORTH PROPERTY LINES THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. THEN MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED. SO IT'S BEEN MOVED BY A MEMBER CLARK SECOND BY MEMBER, UM, FINDLEY. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. NONE OPPOSED RESOLUTION PASSES. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT RESOLUTION FOR TIM ECKL SOLAR PROJECT AT 6 9 9 6 TAYLOR ROAD. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONS? ALTERATIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS ARE WELL DONE. IT CAPTURED THE COMMENTS WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE FOOTINGS. OKAY. AGREED. OKAY, WELL THEN MEMBER SHARA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE RESOLUTION SO IT'S SEEKER AND THEN THE SITE PLAN. SO FIRST MOTION AND THEN THE SECOND PLEASE. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL RESOLUTION. TIM ECK ECHO SOLAR PROJECT 6 9 9 6 TAYLOR ROAD SEEKER IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SEEKER LAW. THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE TIM ECCLE SOLAR SOLAR PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE INSTALLATION OF TWO GROUND MOUNTED SOLAR ARRAYS, TOTALING 576 SQUARE FEET AT 6 9 9 6 TAYLOR ROAD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 22ND, 2025 AND FEBRUARY 5TH, 2025. BASED ON THIS REVIEW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS A TYPE TWO ACTION AND NO FURTHER SEEKER ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED. IT'S BEEN MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND FOR SEEKER? SECOND. SECOND MOVED AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. NOT OPPOSED SECRET PASSES SITE PLAN APPROVAL. WAIT, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION ON SITE PLAN? OKAY. YES. UM, THERE IS A TYPO IN NUMBER FOUR IN INSTALLATION AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD IN, WE SHOULD INVERSE. SORRY, I SAW THAT AND I CHA I HE HE WROTE IT THAT WAY AND I CHANGED IT WITH THE A. YEAH AND THEN IT WENT RIGHT BACK TO LITTLE I SHARE POINTS. TOTALLY FINE. . UM, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD INVERSE THREE AND FOUR BECAUSE I THINK THREE IS CONTINGENT ON FOUR. SO THE PROJECT HAS NO CONCRETE FOOTING. IT'S GOT THIS GROUND CLEARANCE, IT'S GONNA HAVE THIS CERTAIN POLE INSTALLATION AND BECAUSE OF THAT A WETLAND REPORT WAS NOT WARRANTED AS WE DETERMINED THAT THAT TYPE OF INSTALLATION WOULD NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE WETLAND. OH, MY RESOLUTION WOULD REFLECT SOMETHING GOOD. IT'S GOOD THING. OKAY. I DEFINITELY CHANGED THAT. OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SWITCH THE ORDER OF THE CONDITIONS. I'D LIKE TO SWITCH THREE AND FOUR BECAUSE I THINK THREE, I THINK FOUR IS THE DESCRIPTION OF WHY THERE IS SNOW IMPACT ON THE WETLAND. SO I JUST WANNA PUT THEM IN THE, IS THERE ANYTHING TO ADD IN THE NEW NUMBER THREE THAT PREDICATES THAT THE WETLAND REPORT IS NOT WARRANTED? UM, I MEAN WE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU COULD ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE UM, BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF INSTALLATION, A WETLAND REPORT WAS NOT WARRANT WARRANTED AS IT WAS DETERMINED THROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT WILL NOT IMPACT WETLANDS OR LIKE YEAH. DUE TO THE TYPE OF INSTALLATION OR SOMETHING. THREE JUST READS A VERY, VERY BLANKET THAT LIKE IN GENERALLY SOLAR PANELS DON'T IMPACT WETLANDS. WHICH MIGHT NOT ALWAYS [00:45:01] BE TRUE, BUT IT IS TRUE IN THIS CASE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, ARE YOU READY? YEAH. OKAY. GO SITE PLAN APPROVAL THE PLANNING BOARD BASED ON ITS REVIEW OF THIS TYPE TWO ACTION REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE XLIV SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE TIER TWO SOLAR ENERGY SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS IN ARTICLE LIV OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG ZONING CODE HAVE BEING RECEIVED AND CONSIDERED INPUT FROM TOWN DEPARTMENTS, COMMITTEES, AND ADVISORY BOARDS. AND HAVING COMPLETED THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 22ND, 2025 AND FEBRUARY 5TH, 2025, HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE TIM ECKLE SOLAR PROJECT TO BE LOCATED AT 6 9 9 6 TAYLOR ROAD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED MARCH 14TH, 2025. TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS IS NOT WARRANTED. THREE, THE PROJECT SHALL NOT SHALL HAVE NO OH SHALL HAVE NO CONCRETE FOOTING. THE MINIMUM GROUND CLEARANCE OF THE PROJECT SHALL BE NO LESS THAN THREE FEET. NO GRADING WILL BE REQUIRED FOR INSTALLATION OF THE SOLAR PANELS AND THE PROJECT WILL HAVE A POLE MOUNTED SCREW STRUCTURE FOUNDATION FOUR. DUE TO THE TYPE OF FOUNDATION INSTALLATION, A WETLAND REPORT WAS NOT WARRANTED AS IT WAS DETERMINED THROUGH THE REVIEW OF THE PROJECT THAT THE SOLAR PANELS WILL NOT IMPACT WETLANDS. IT'S BEEN MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE. CAITLYN, WHAT IS THE WORD THAT YOU SAID BEFORE INSTALLATION DUE TO THE TYPO FOUNDATION AND STAGE IF YOU WANT ME A LITTLE MARKUP. NO, IT'S ALL THANK. SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND APPROVED AND PASSED. SO IF ANYBODY'S HERE FROM TIP ECKEL OF YOUR RESOLUTION HAS BEEN GRANTED, OUR FINAL RESOLUTION IS FOR BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT AT 5 4 5 0 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. UM, AFFECTIONATELY CALLED THE TEXAS ROADHOUSE. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING BECAUSE THERE'S NO ENGINEERING LETTER THIS TIME IS THERE? SHOULD BE. OH YEAH, THERE IS. WHAT'S THE DATE OF IT? WHAT'S THE DATE OF THE THREE 14TH BILL? MARCH 14TH. AND IT DOES, IT DOES SAY OUTDOOR LIGHTING SHALL BE DARK, DARK SKY COMPLIANT. MY LETTER YOU, THAT SYSTEM THE ONLY, THERE WAS A QUESTION HERE ON THE RESOLUTIONS ABOUT THE PARKING LOT CONDITION AND WHETHER OR NOT THE PARKING LOT WAS TO BE JUST HIS PARKING LOT CONDITION IS WHAT HE SAID. IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH ONE OF THE CAITLIN'S HAD BROUGHT SOMETHING UP AT THE LAST MEETING. HE WASN'T SURE. I I THINK WE COVERED THE PARKING LOT. I JUST, YEAH. ARE THEY GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA REPAVE AND RETRIP THE PARKING LOT WHEN THIS GOES IN. CORRECT. AND THAT'S PART OF THE SITE PLAN? YEAH, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE'LL LEAVE THAT OUT SO WE'LL LEAVE THAT OUT. OKAY. AND ALSO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN INCLUDES PLANTINGS WITHIN THE PARKING LOTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR. WELL IT'S THE LANDSCAPING PLAN DATED 2 17 25. BUT IS THAT THE CORRECT DATE? YES. OKAY. AND IS THAT REFLECTED IN THERE? YES. MM-HMM . THE SIDE BY THE SIDEWALK. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADD THAT INTO THE VERBIAGE 'CAUSE IT'S, OH, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT PARKING LOT CONDITION. I HAD MADE A A POINT ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND LIKE THROUGH THE REST OF OH, OKAY. THAT WAS OKAY. I DON'T, YEAH, SO WE DON'T NEED TO ADD ANYTHING FURTHER. SO EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE. OKAY. MEMBER MCCORMICK, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE READY TO READ. DO I NOW I ASKED YOU DO. I LIKE HAVING A TEACHER HERE. UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WHICH INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 7,926 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT BUILDING, ALONG WITH THE ASSOCIATED PARKING UTILITY, DRAINAGE, LIGHTING, AND LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AT 54 50 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND HELD THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 8TH, 2025. BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THIS UNLISTED ACTION, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT'S ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS HAVE BEEN AVOIDED OR MITIGATED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE AND IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. AND A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED. IT'S BEEN MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER MCCORMICK, SECOND BY A MEMBER OF [00:50:01] FINLEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A AYE. UM, ANY OPPOSED? SO THE SEE'S BEEN PASSED AND STATE PLAN APPROVAL BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THE BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT PROJECT MATERIALS AND HAVING COMPLETED THE SECRET PROCESS, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY APPROVES THE PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND DETERMINATIONS. ONE APPROVALS CONTINGENT UPON THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED MARCH 14TH, 2020, 25. TWO SIDEWALK SHALL BE INSTALLED AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN DATED 2 18 20 25. THREE. THE LANDSCAPING PLAN DATED 2 17 20 25 SHALL BE REFERRED TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT AND SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. FOUR. THE LOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER SHALL BE INSTALLED AS SHOWN IN THE SITE PLAN DATED 2 18 20 25. IT'S THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL HAS BEEN MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER MCCORMICK, SECOND BY MEMBER SHIMRA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AND THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN PASSED. SO IF ANYBODY WAS HERE FOR HE BENDERSON, TEXAS ROADHOUSE, TIM ETHEL, OR, UM, THE LAW FIRM, YOUR RESOLUTIONS HAVE BEEN GREAT AND, UM, APPROVED AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY UNLESS YOU WANT TO JUST SEE GREAT ENTERTAINMENT. OKAY, SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG NOW WE'LL UM, GO INTO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING FOR RMV HOLDINGS, LLC REQUESTING PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL. I'M SORRY, PRELIMINARY PLAN. APPROVAL FOR A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 4 0 9 1 JEFFREY BOULEVARD. AND BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I KNOW THIS SAYS SUBDIVISION, THIS IS NOT THAT KIND OF SUBDIVISION. AND BEFORE WE GET GOING, I WOULD LIKE, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN THAT FOR ME. CLARIFY THAT I'M SORRY THAT THIS IS A TWO, THIS IS A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION, MEANING YOU'RE TAKING ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SPLITTING IT INTO TWO AND IT'S ZONED HOW, AND THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. OKAY. IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL. YEAH. THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY RESIDENTIAL NO. UM, ON THE PROPERTY, NO. OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT HERE, COME ON DOWN. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD BEFORE WE START THIS PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE QUICK THINGS. OKAY. IF YOU'D IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD AND DON'T FORGET TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, YOU CAN PROCEED. ANTHONY PANDOLFI WITH CARMINA WOOD DESIGN PROJECT ENGINEER ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, RMV HOLDINGS. UM, AS MENTIONED, WE'RE IMPOSING A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION AT 40 91 JEFFREY ROAD. WE PRESENTED THIS AT THE WORK SESSION TWO WEEKS AGO, UM, HERE NOW TONIGHT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, THERE REALLY WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION, SO NOT A WHOLE LOT I NEED TO ADDRESS. UM, JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO ASK, UM, HOPEFULLY IF THE BOARD CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT AND, UM, UH, PREPARE RESOLUTIONS FOR PLAT APPROVAL AND SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE, THOSE RESOLUTIONS WAIVE THE FILING OF A MAP COVER. UM, AND JUST LASTLY, I'M, WE SUBMITTED THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY. I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE SECRET COORDINATION PROCESS STARTED, BUT, UM, THE SOONER WE CAN GET ON ONCE THAT 30 DAY PERIOD IS OVER, HOPEFULLY IN TWO WEEKS. I'M NOT SURE WHEN, I DON'T KNOW IF HE KNOWS. WE DIDN'T DO A COORDINATED REVIEW. YOU OH, YOU DIDN'T? MM-HMM. OH, OKAY. SO THE SOONER THE BETTER. UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS I MENTIONED AT THE WORK SESSION, THEY'RE TRYING, THEY'RE UM, THERE WAS A SKETCH PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THIS PROPERTY. WE ARE PURSUING JUST THE TWO LAST SUBDIVISION, NO SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF ANY KIND AT THIS POINT. UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO EXPEDITE THAT TO, UM, GET CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY. UM, SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OR THE PUBLIC, I CAN, UH, TAKE 'EM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS MEMBER SHIMMER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE PUBLIC HEARING ANNOUNCEMENT? WE DO. THAT MAY ASK THE QUESTION CHAIR QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, OR I GUESS OUR ATTORNEY, USUALLY WHEN WE DO A MINOR SUBDIVISION, WE DON'T DO PLAT APPROVAL. IS THERE A REASON WHY? 'CAUSE THIS IS COMMERCIAL THAT WE'RE DOING A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL INSTEAD OF JUST A SUBDIVISION. WE JUST CALL IT PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL. IT'S THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT. OH, SO IT'S THE SAME. IT'S THE SAME. IT'S WA THE, WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION, BUT NOT THE NO, WE ALWAYS WAIVE WAVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR THE MINOR. ALMOST ALL. YEAH, OF COURSE. DOES THAT SATISFY YOUR QUESTIONS? OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD. LEGAL NOTICE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN TO THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON [00:55:01] A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY RMV HOLDINGS, LLC TO BE LOCATED AT 4 0 9 1 JEFFREY BOULEVARD. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 19TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN A SLASH SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL. THANK YOU. A PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION ON HOW YOU ARE IMPACTED BY A PROJECT. A THREE MINUTE RULE WILL APPLY DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO ENSURE THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE HEARD DURING A REASONABLE HOUR. IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. ALL STATEMENTS MADE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THE PROJECT SENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE APPLICANT. HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL OFFICIALLY OPEN THE PLANNING, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I GOT PLANNING ON THE MINE TODAY. UM, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT? AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 4 0 9 1 JEFFREY BOULEVARD. , PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SPELL IT, SPELL YOUR LAST NAME AND IF YOU COULD SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. SURE. UH, MY NAME IS KIM AND IT'S P-R-E-S-H-O-F-F. I'M ON THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD AND UM, I'M, I'M SORRY, ARE YOU SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO WE HAVE ATTENDED TWO WEBINARS AND 2 20 25 ABOUT NEW, NEW ON NEW YORK STATE WETLAND REGULATIONS. AND WE GOT THE LATEST MAPS FROM THEM AND WHAT, UH, WE RECEIVED WERE MAPS THAT SHOW A WHOLE NEW LAYER OF WETLANDS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED ON SINCE I THINK JANUARY. UM, AND UM, UM, JEFFREY, THERE'S A NEW WETLAND, THIS LAND THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOW DESIGNATED WETLANDS. UM, SO THEY ADMITTED THE PREVIOUSLY MAP WETLANDS DID NOT INCLUDE ALL EXISTING WETLANDS, THE DC AND IT APPEARS THAT INFORMATION OF FRESHMAN WETLAND MAP HAS ATTEMPTED TO REMEDY THAT. AND SO THERE'S NEW WETLANDS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED JUST RECENTLY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND THEY JUST HAPPENED TO BE ON THIS LAND, UM, THAT IS THEY WANT TO BUILD ON. UM, I WENT, WENT OVER THERE AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY CATTAILS GROWING ON THAT LAND. UM, AND UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT MEANS THERE'S WETLAND THERE AND WHAT THE UM, PERSON HAS TO DO IS ACTUALLY CONTACT THE DEC AND ASK, ASK THEM TO COME IN AND FIND OUT IF THERE ARE WETLANDS THAT NEED TO BE, UM, REGULATED AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THAT. SO WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A WETLAND AREA AND THIS IS ONE WAY THAT WE FEEL THAT WE CAN PROTECT IT. UM, SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEW MAP, THERE'S WHOLE NEW LAYER OF IT ON THERE. IF YOU GO TO THE EAF, UH, THERE'S A NEW, UH, LAYER OF IT AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE THIS LAND IS AND IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AS FAR AS THE CONSERVATION BOARD IS CONCERNED. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PROJECT? THERE'S SOME PEOPLE HIDING BEHIND THE PODIUM, SO I CAN'T SECOND CALL TO, UM, FOR COMMENTS MADE ON THIS CON ON THIS PROJECT AT 4 0 9 1 JEFFREY BOULEVARD, THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 4 0 9 1 JEFFREY BOULEVARD. SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS ON THE WETLANDS. DO WE NOT, ARE WE GONNA GET A MAP ON THAT OR CAN I ADDRESS IT? SURE, ABSOLUTELY. ARMANO, DO YOU HAVE A MAP OF THAT? OF WHAT YOU REFERENC? YEAH, SO I MEAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST WETLANDS ARE THE PRESENCE OF WETLANDS SHOULD HAVE NO BEARING ON THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT A SAFE LAND APPROVAL, IT'S STRICTLY A SUBDIVISION. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING I WANT TO POINT OUT. SECONDLY, THE, THE INFORMATIONAL LAYER ON DC WETLANDS DOES NOT GUARANTEE THERE'S WETLANDS ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY. IT JUST SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT FOR A JD. I'M NOT POSITIVE ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A DELINEATION ON THIS SITE AND IF THAT DELINEATION HAS NOT EXPIRED, THAT DELINEATION ALSO HOLDS UP DESPITE THE NEW REGULATIONS. IF THIS IS ALL VERY NEW TO US AND THE PEOPLE AT THE DC WE'RE ALL KIND OF TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT TOGETHER. BUT THE MAIN POINT I JUST WANNA MAKE THOUGH IS THE PRESENCE OF WETLAND SHOULD HAVE NO BEARING ON THE SUBDIVISION PROPERTY. WE'RE NOT, THIS DOES NOT GUARANTEE ANYTHING'S GONNA BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY, IT'S JUST SIMPLY THE SUBDIVIDED. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I WANTED. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF WE DO COME BACK WITH [01:00:01] A SLIGHT PLAN, IT'LL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AT THAT POINT. SO JUST KIND OF WANNA MAKE THAT POINT. CHAIR. CAN I MAKE THAT COMMENT RESPONSE TO THAT? UM, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I JUST WANNA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO, OR OKAY, GO AHEAD. SO UNDERSTANDING WHEN HE'S SAYING THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS BOARD SHOULD BE ISSUING A SUBDIVISION IF THERE'S A NON BUILDABLE LOT AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE MAKING A NON BUILDABLE LOT. SO PENDING THIS MAPPING, GETTING A MAP, UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE HAS DELINEATED, I DON'T THINK THAT IF WE PUT IN A SUBDIVISION AND ONE OF THESE LOTS BECOMES COMPLETELY NON BUILDABLE, THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY, WE WOULD NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT MAKES SENSE TO DO BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THAT ISSUE ON OTHER PROPERTIES. THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS A RESIDENTIAL WITHIN FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION WHERE WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WHERE THE WETLANDS IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE. I KNOW IT CAME UP OVER, I THINK OVER ON UH, SUBDIVISION ON NILES AVENUE. LIKE THIS HAS COME UP A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES. AND WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS SUBDIVIDE AND THEN CREATED, HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN WITH A HARDSHIP BECAUSE NONE OF IT'S BUILDABLE AND WANT AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT REASON. ANYONE ELSE? I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT UM, THE EAF PROVIDED DOES TRIP FOR A POTENTIAL WETLAND. SO IT'S ALREADY THERE AND THERE COULD BE MORE ON TOP OF IT UNDER THE NEW YEAH. WETLAND RAG, BUT IT'S NOT, IT IS THE, THE EIF DID TRIP FOR WETLAND, SO COULD YOU GET US THAT WETLAND? YEAH, HE'S NOT POINT I GET YOU WHAT WE HAVE. UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE WAS A WALKOVER AND A DELINEATION DONE BY EARTH DIMENSIONS. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER THAT WAS ACCEPTED OR NOT BY DCI HAVE TO LOOK INTO WHAT WE HAVE ON FILE, WE'LL SUBMIT IT. BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US THAT IF THERE'S A PREEXISTING JD ON A SITE THAT JD HOLDS UNTIL IT EXPIRES, THEN THE NEW REGS TAKE OVER. THAT'S HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US BY DEC TYPICALLY. MY GUESS IS IF YOU COULD FIND THAT JD, 'CAUSE IT WAS WITH JD FROM THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THAT'S NOT GONNA APPLY TO THE DECI. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS TYPICALLY OR D YEAH, BUT THOSE ARE TYPICALLY GOOD. I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS. IT DE WE CAN PROVIDE ALL MATERIALS SO WE HAVE THEM FOR THE FILE. WE CAN ALSO AN INFORMED AND YEAH, WE, WE CAN GO THROUGH EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE WITH THE WETLANDS AND I GUESS GO FROM THERE, THE REPORT, ANY INFORMATION AND IF YOU CAN GET DEC TO OPINE ON THE EXISTING JD OR THE NEW PROCESS. 'CAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT THERE. D EVEN DEC IS NOT ENTIRELY SURE RIGHT NOW, LIKE WE'RE IN THE GRAY ZONE AND THEY'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHEN THE NEW REGS RIGHT. LIKE WHERE THE GRANDFATHERING STARTS AND ENDS. UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CLOSE IMMINENTLY ON THIS PROJECT, BUT I DO THINK CAITLYN MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT A BUILDABLE. YEAH, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THE BUYER WOULD. YEAH. REGARDLESS. SO IT IS A GOOD POINT. YES. UM, SO YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION WE WE HAVE OR THE PROSPECTIVE BUYER HAS ON, ON WHAT THEY'VE DONE SO FAR. WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU COULD GET THAT TO US? I, I KNOW WE HAVE STUFF IN OUR FILE, SO I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE IT. I JUST HAVE WOULD'VE TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH IT, IF THEY'VE SUBMITTED IT OR WHAT'S SO I, I CAN APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WANNA RUSH THINGS, BUT THIS BOARD'S GOTTA DO THEIR HOMEWORK RESPECTFULLY. OKAY. AND WHEN THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT WETLANDS OR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE FUTURE OF A LOT, WE DO HAVE TO DOT OUR I'S ACROSS OUR T'S MM-HMM . IT'S NEVER OUR INTENT TO DELAY ANYTHING. HOWEVER, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE AND THE, AND THE CONCERNS BROUGHT BY THE BOARD MEMBERS, I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. THEY SHOULD COME BACK ON THE 16TH WITH THAT INFORMATION AND WE CAN MAKE, THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE SEVENTH. I YOU, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE. IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. SO IF WE NEED TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE DON'T UN YEAH, WE CAN'T I THINK BEGINNING NO, NO, I WAS GONNA SAY I'D RATHER SEE THEM ON WITH WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE EXISTING ON THE SECOND. YEAH. FORWARD. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. OKAY. AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK ON THE SECOND. OKAY. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT ON THIS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ON THE, UM, OUR SECOND CASE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR STURDY BUILT SHEDS. IS THE APPLICANT HERE REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A PROPOSAL FOR THE RETAIL SALE AND DISPLAY OF SHEDS ON A SEASONAL BASIS ANNUALLY FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER AND LOCATED AT 5 2 0 0 CAMP ROW. NOW I'M READING THAT. THEN WE CHANGE THAT FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE UP YEAR ROUND. YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SHAREPOINT, BUT WE DID CHANGE IT AND THEN IT UNCHANGED ITSELF. OKAY. WELL I'M GONNA CORRECT IT JUST FOR THE RECORD. IT'S NOT FROM MARCH TO TO NOVEMBER, CORRECT? IT'S YEAR ROUND. YES. SO THE, THE, THE, THE INFORMATION IN THE, UM, SEE THE, IN THE MINUTES I HAVE SAYS REQUESTING SITE PLAN [01:05:01] APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL FOR THE RETAIL SALE AND DISPLAY OF SHEDS TO BE LOCATED AT 5,200. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MARCH. SO THIS IS AGENDA THAT WE GOT AT THE END OF THE TABLE. RIGHT. THAT OUT. THIS IS THE MEMO THAT I GET FROM JOSH. JOSH SENDS ME THIS. YEAH, I AND I PRINT IT AND THAT'S WHAT I WORK FROM. YEAH. SO AND I WE'RE SORRY. OKAY. JOSH PROBABLY DROPS THOSE, HE DROPS THOSE EARLY TOO. NO, HE DROPPED IT ON FRIDAY SO IT'S NO, WE'VE DONE FRIDAY. IT'S OKAY. I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A BIG PROBLEM WITH UM, WITH UM, SHAREPOINT. I'D LIKE TO TAKE A SLEDGEHAMMER TO IT PERSONALLY, BUT THAT'S AN WHOLE NOTHER STORY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT IT ALL, ALL OF OUR INFORMATION IN ONE OF YOUR WONDERFUL SHEDS, THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHAT TO DO, WHERE WE WOULD GET THE RIGHT INFORMATION. GREAT. HELP YOUR FRUSTRATION. THERE YOU GO. COREY AACH OF BARKY DAMON UH, JOINED BY THE OWNERS OF STURDY BUILT SHED. UM, WE WERE HERE AT THE WORK SESSION MEETING TO PRESENT TO YOU. WE'RE BACK HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. A COUPLE UPDATES SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST, UM, WHEN, AT THE LAST MEETING I INDICATED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PORTABLE GENERATOR PROVIDING ELECTRICITY TO THE SITE, MUCH TO MY CLIENTS TO LIGHT. UM, THERE ACTUALLY IS ELECTRIC ON THE SITE. WE, UH, INTERFACED WITH THE TOWN AS IT RELATES TO ELECTRICAL PERMIT. UH, THEY WENT OUT, THEY INSPECTED, THEY SAID THE ELECTRICAL'S ALL GOOD. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS TURN IT OVER TO OUR NAME, LET THE SERVICE IS ALREADY THERE SO WE WILL NOT BE USING A GENERATOR AT THE SITE. WE ALSO UPDATED THE PLAN TO ADD THE PORTABLE RESTROOM, UM, TO THE PLAN THAT WILL BE BEHIND THE OFFICE SHED. THANK YOU. UH, AN EARLY ITERATION ADDED SORT OF ALONG THE FRONT THAT WE MOVED IT BEHIND THE SHED. UH, JUST FOR VISIBILITY PURPOSES. UH, WE'VE ALSO ENTERED INTO A PRELIMINARY AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER. UM, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE SEASONAL NATURE OF THE DISPLAY, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE ACTUAL SALE ACTIVITIES OF THE SHED DISPLAY WILL ONLY TAKE PLACE DURING THOSE MONTHS, BUT THE SHEDS AFTER, UH, NEGOTIATION WITH THE OWNER WILL REMAIN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. BUT THE ACTUAL SALES ACTIVITY WILL ONLY TAKE PLACE FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER. OKAY. SO I WASN'T TOTALLY WRONG. WE'RE NOT TOTALLY OKAY, WELL THAT'S GOOD THAT SEE JOSH DIDN'T DROP THE BALL. . SO, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFF? NO. OKAY. PLANNING DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I DON'T. ENGINEERING, I DON'T THINK YOU HIT SOME COMMENTS, BUT WE'RE GOOD WITH THE SURFACE AND EVERYTHING. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE PUBLIC HEARING ANNOUNCEMENT? MEMBER SHAMAR PLEASE JUST ASK A QUESTION. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WELL, THE PORTA POTTY IS ACTUALLY ALIGNING ON THE SITE PLAN THAT SAYS REVISED IS ALIGNING, UH, LONG WAIT. ISN'T THAT THE CORRECT? LET'S DO THE HEARING AND THEN WE CAN ADD THE ALL ON CAMP ROAD. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. LEGAL NOTICE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD SITE PLAN APPROVAL PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REQUEST BY STURDY BUILT SHEDS TO OPERATE A SALES AND DISPLAY BUSINESS AT 5 2 0 0 CAMP ROAD. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON MARCH 19TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM SEVEN A SLASH SEVEN B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL. AND ONCE AGAIN, A PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION ON HOW YOU'RE IMPACTED BY A PROJECT. A THREE MINUTE RULE WILL APPLY DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO ENSURE THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE HEARD DURING A REASONABLE HOUR. IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. ALL STATEMENTS MADE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THAT PROJECT SENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE APPLICANT. SO I'M NOW OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS? UM, UM, STURDY BUILT SHEDS THAT ARE LOCATED AT 5 2 0 0 CAMP ROAD. TRY NOT TO ALL RUSH THE PODIUM. UM, SECOND CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR STURDY BUILT SHEDS. THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR FIVE TWO ZERO ZERO CAMP ROAD. STURDY BUILT SHEDS. SEEING NONE. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. REMEMBER? UM, SHAMAR, YOU HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE YEP. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE REVISED SITE PLAN THAT IS, THE FILE IS DATED 3 17 25 AND THE PROPOSERS PROPOSED PORT OF POTTY IS ADJACENT AND ALSO IN LINE WITH ADJACENT TO THE OFFICE, BUT IN LINE WITH CAMP ROAD. SO IT IS NOT BEHIND THE BUILDING. IT ACTUALLY FRONTS ONTO CAMP ROAD. SO IT ASKS THAT THE PORT OF POTTY BE MOVED TO THE, WOULD THAT BE SOUTHWESTERN END, THE END OF THE [01:10:01] SHEDS. SO AS NOT TO BE VISIBLE FROM CAMP ROAD AND ALSO FROM ANY ONCOMING TRUCKS. I BLAME SHAREPOINT FOR THAT. IS THAT WHAT I'M CALLING ? YES. WE DID SUBMIT A REVISION. UM, INITIAL ONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS IN LINE. WE SUBMITTED REVISION. WE GET BEHIND. SO THAT PERFECTLY, UH, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. I'M NOT SURE I GOT THAT ROAD ZOOMED IN A SECOND. CAN I GET, MAYBE THIS IS THE ONE. IT'S OVER ERIC, I'LL MAKE SURE I GET IT. OH YEAH, THIS ONE IS FOUR. YEAH. WHICH ONE DO WE HAVE THE REVISED? NO, I THINK WE NEED THE REVISED. YOU CAN JUST SEND IT. SO ARE WE GOOD? NO, WE NEED THE REVISED. HE'S GOOD. YOU HAVE THE, YOU'RE GOOD 'CAUSE YOU SENT IT. DO YOU HAVE I HAVE A HARD COPY THAT SHOWED IT BEHIND THE BUILDING. CAN I SEE WHAT BEHIND THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE? WHAT'S GOING ON? SO MANY DIFFERENT VERSION THAT WE I KNOW, BUT I JUST THINK A SERIES OF SHEDS SITTING THERE, WHICH IS LIGHTS, FEEDBACK LIGHTS GO OFF THE GENERATE LIGHT OFF LIGHTS AREN'T DARK STUFF. GIANT BATHS. REMEMBER WHEN THE, THE CAR THOUGHT THEY LOOKED FESTIVE, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS PLAYING. SO HANG ON EVERYBODY. SO, UM, ENGINEERING HAS THE ACTUAL PLAN SHOWING THAT THE, UM, PORTA POTTY IS BEHIND THE OFFICE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THE BUILDING, THAT'S THE OFFICE. SO THE BOARD MEMBERS REFERENCE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE REVISED SITE PLAN. WELL NOT ON SHAREPOINT, BUT WE, WE I'M JUST SAYING THE BOARD. WE DIDN'T SEE IT. SO, AND THIS SITE PLAN IS DATED. DOES THIS HAVE A DATE COMMENT, REVISION ONE. REVISION 1 3 17 DATED 3 17 25. SO FOR THE RECORD, UM, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND THEN SARAH, YOU CAN ADD, CAN YOU ADD THAT TO YEAH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET IT SOMETIMES. WELL, AND I THINK FOR THE RECORD, WE CAN, WE ALL AGREE THAT WE SAW THE, THE HARD COPY PLAN IN PERSON AT THIS MEETING. AND WE AGREE WE'RE FINE WITH THE LAYOUT RESOLUTION REFERENCE LONG WAY TO OH, TO GO TAKE YOUR CUSTOMERS BACK OVER HERE. WE SHOULD THAT SO, WAIT, REMEMBER SHAARA IS SAYING THAT SHE WANTS IT OKAY. SO THAT IT'S NOT IN THE, SO THAT IT'S LIKE OFF. THEY'RE STILL ACCESSIBLE TO BE SERVICED, BUT NOT IN THE CENTER OF, OF EVERYTHING. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF COVERING OR ANY LANDSCAPING ON GUYS, IT'S JUST GOING, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT AND IT'S GROSS. SO YOU WANT IT, TELL US WHERE YOU WANT. WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE, THE NORTH EDGE FOR THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE, WHEREVER YOU WANT. OKAY. CAN I MARK THIS? YEAH. OH, I DON'T KNOW. THOSE ARE CAN YOU? YEAH. BECAUSE I CAN'T, THEY CAN'T SIGN THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA MOVE IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE IT. I CAN'T USE THAT. DONE MORE. OKAY. I, I'D HAVE TO GET A REVISED IF THAT'S, WE'RE ALL GONNA VISED. YEAH, IT'S FINE. THIS POTTY WAS REQUIRE WITH AN ALL. IT'S OKAY IF DAVE THUMB ON. YEAH, SEND THIS, SEND IT TO ME. YEAH. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. HAVE NO PROBLEM SERVICING IT THERE. IS THAT A PROBLEM PUTTING IT THERE? NO. SO THE OFFICE, SO THE OFFICE IS HERE, SO INSTEAD OF HAVING IT BY THE OFFICE, OKAY. IT'S HERE IN THE BACK. OKAY, SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THOSE, DID YOU TWO WANNA ADD SOMETHING OR NELSON? NO, LOOK AT THE CI DISTRICT. AND HOW ARE THEY MEETING THE DESIGN STANDARDS? YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING. WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT. ALL ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING BUILDINGS FACING THE ROAD. THERE ARE ANY BUILDINGS FACING THE ROAD. THERE'S NO BUILDINGS. OFFICE. OFFICE. THE MODEL. THEY'RE GOOD. OKAY, THEN YOU'RE ALL SET. YOU'RE GONNA SEND THAT TO US AND THEN, UM, THEY'RE GONNA COMING BACK FOR A RESOLUTION WHEN? SECOND. APRIL 2ND. OKAY. OKAY. VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. WELCOME BOX. OUR THIRD CASE IS BJ MUIRHEAD COMPANY REQUESTING SITE PLAN, APPROVAL OF A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY OFFICE TRAINING, SALE AND WAREHOUSE BUILDING, SITE BUILDING TWO RETAIL STORAGE BUILDINGS, FIVE PRIVATE STORAGE BUILDINGS, AND OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS. SO YOU HAD A WEEK, HAVEN'T YOU? YEAH, WE'RE PRETTY BUSY TO SAY THE LEAST. WE GOT SOME CORRESPONDENCE. THE BOARD MEMBERS [01:15:01] STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE. HI, MY NAME IS JAMIE AND I'M FROM THE ALLEN GROUP OF WESTERN NEW YORK. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF BJ MUIRHEAD. UH, I'M THE CONSTRUCTION SLASH PROJECT MANAGER THAT WAS BROUGHT ON BOARD, I'D SAY SOMETIME LATE MID TO LATE DECEMBER. REGARD TO DEVELOPING THE OVERALL LAYOUT, THE PHASES, WHAT GOES FIRST, THE CART FOR THE HORSE, THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART WORKED WITH, UH, APEX, UH, ENGINEERING WITH REGARD TO ARCHITECTURE, ENGINEERING SITE PLAN. THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PROJECT WE PRESENTED LAST, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO WITH THE, WITH APEX IN THE WORK SESSION. AND TIM DID THE PRESENTATION BASED ON ALL THE ENGINEERING, THE LAYOUT. WE SUBMITTED ALL THE DOCUMENTS TO SARAH TIMELY AS WE WERE ASKED. THE MEETING PROCEEDED. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING WE WERE ASKED TO PRESENT MORE INFORMATION. SO LIKE YOU HAD STATED OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS, WE PRESENTED ALL THAT WE BELIEVE WE WERE ASKED ALL THE WAY FROM A COMPANY PROFILE DOWN TO WHAT EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING IS GONNA BE USED FOR, WHAT THEY WILL POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE, THE TYPES OF MATERIALS THE, WE WERE ASKED TO PRESENT THE RETAINING WALL THAT SEPARATES PHASE ONE FROM PHASE TWO, UH, TYPES OF MATERIALS WITH THAT AS WELL. UM, WE DID THE PRELIMINARY GREEN SPACE LAYOUT. WE DID THE PRELIMINARY, UH, LANDSCAPE LAYOUTS AND WE BROUGHT THE WHOLE THING TO A 12 PAGE DOCUMENT FOR YOUR REVIEW. SO I CAN EITHER START FROM THE BEGINNING AND REITERATE WHAT TIM HAD GONE THROUGH, OR I CAN TAKE ANY ANSWER QUESTIONS AND ANSWER YOU MAY HAVE BASED ON THE DOCUMENTS WE SUPPLIED THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW. OR I CAN THIRDLY GO THROUGH PAGE BY PAGE AND EXPLAIN ALL THAT'S GOING ON. START TO FINISH. THE COMPANY PROFILE BASICALLY WAS ASKED OF, OF, OF ABOUT ASKED FOR US TO PRESENT. UM, WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF YEARS THE COMPANY'S BEEN IN BUSINESS, THEIR CURRENTLY OVER IN ORCHARD PARK. THE CURRENT OWNERSHIP WAS TAKEN OVER IN 2012. UM, THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO FROM SOUP TO NUTS. AND EACH PHASE OF THE PROJECT, EACH BUILDING AGAIN, LIKE I STATED, WAS OUTLINED WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN EACH BUILDING. THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO EMPLOY AND HAVE ON SITE. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, UH, THIS IS BEING BROUGHT OVER FROM ONE 15 COUNTY DRIVE ACROSS FROM THE, THE, UH, HARLEY DAVIDSON DEALERSHIP TO THE JEFFREY BOULEVARD. NOW WE TWO HAVE BEEN PRESENTED SINCE THEN WITH A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE PRIOR. WE DO HAVE DOCUMENTATION, UM, THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO PRESENT. OUR, OUR ASK TONIGHT IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO IS TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD, HOPEFULLY GET A POSITIVE NOD TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WHILE SOME OF THIS OTHER STUFF IS WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND BECAUSE OF THE SHORT SEASON THAT WE'VE GOT AND WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THIS WHOLE PROJECT RIGHT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PHASES. SO I'LL FLIP IT BACK TO YOU GUYS AND YOU TELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND TELLING ME, HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO PRESENT THE REST OF THE PROJECT AND THE INFORMATION YOU ASKED FOR? WELL, I THINK BEFORE YOU MOVE INTO WHAT IT IS THAT YOU DO, 'CAUSE I, WE DO HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. I'M GONNA ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM AND THAT'S THE TREES OKAY. AND THE CLEAR CUTTING OF THE LOT. OKAY. AND THE, UM, WORK THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THAT. I UNDERSTAND AND I'M, I'M MAKING A STATEMENT FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL AS THE AUDIENCE. THE, A CONTRACTOR WAS HIRED, UM, AND YOU'RE NOT THE CONTRACTOR THAT WAS HIRED TO, TO WORK ON THIS PROPERTY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT DID NOT KNOW THAT THE PERMIT WAS NOT PULLED. THE APPLICANT WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE PERMIT WAS PULLED. UM, CAN I, CAN I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF IT? HEY, HEY, LET ME JUST, LET ME GET THROUGH. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, THE TREES WERE REMOVED. UM, YOU HAVE MET WITH JEFF ICK, OUR SUPERVISING CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. WAS THAT YOU THAT MET WITH THEM OR? I DID. OKAY. MET WITH HIM AND WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION. VERY. AND, UM, I'M INTERESTED IN YOU SHARING THAT INFORMATION WITH THE BOARD. OKAY. INSTEAD IT'S, I MEAN, AND I KNOW THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS, I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE THIS TAKE ANYTHING IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU GUYS WANNA ASK, BUT I THINK THIS TREE THING IS A BIG DEAL. I THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL. OKAY. THE FACT THAT THE PERMIT WASN'T PULLED, UM, I'M, I'M PRETTY UPSET ABOUT IT, SO I WANT IT ADDRESSED A GREAT DEAL OF TIME. THIS WEEK HAS BEEN PLANNED WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WITH THE OWNER WITH CODE. WITH CODE REVIEW. WE ARE ON IT. OKAY. THE APPLICANT IS VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS HAPPENED AND IS WILLING TO STEP UP [01:20:01] AND HAS A PLAN IF I'M NOT OUT SPEAKING ON WHAT THEY WANNA DO TO OFFSET WHAT HAPPENED. SO BEFORE WE GET INTO ANYTHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED OR THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO GO WITH IT. YEAH. I CAN EXPLAIN OR ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. SO PART OF THE REASON WHY I WAS BROUGHT ON BOARD IS BECAUSE THAT MISTAKE WAS MADE. OKAY. JC AND HIS WIFE JOSEPH, PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AFTER DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO LOOK AT THE SITE, A LOCATION, THE ZONING, IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WITH REGARD TO VARIANCES. UH, THE USE THE ZONING STYLE AND TYPE AND IT ALL FIT THE ENVELOPE. THEY TOO DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE PRIOR TO PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND WENT THROUGH AN EARTH DIMENSION STUDY FOR THE SAME DEC REQUIREMENT. WITH REGARD TO THAT, I SPENT TIME THIS MORNING, UM, IN SARAH'S OFFICE AND WE, WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT. I DO HAVE THE REPORT FROM EARTH DIMENSIONS THAT I CAN PASS ALONG WITH REGARD TO THE DEC AND, AND THE DELINEATION AND ALL THAT. WE GOT A POSITIVE NOD FROM THEM PRIOR TO EVEN GETTING INTO, UH, ALL OF THAT WITH REGARD TO THE TREES. SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS JOSEPH AND HIS WIFE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. JOSEPH RUNS THE BOILER COMPANY. HE DOES NOT BUILD BUILDINGS, UNFORTUNATELY. HE MADE A MISTAKE. HE'S FROM THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS MADE AND IDENTIFIED, HE WENT RIGHT TO THE TOWN. HE WORKED WITH A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF KEN AND FOLLOWED ALL THE RULES. WHATEVER THEY NEEDED HE DID WITH REGARD TO THE CONTRACTOR. THAT WAS A DISCUSSION BETWEEN JOSEPH AND THE CONTRACTOR. THE REASON THAT THAT WAS DONE IS BY, BECAUSE WE CONTACTED OR NOT, I, I DIDN'T, BUT BECAUSE THEY CONTACTED THE SURVEYING COMPANY AND WANTED TO GET GOING AND, AND GET TO THE JUMP ON THE SEASON, THEY WERE INSTRUCTED THAT THEY COULDN'T GO OUT THERE AND DO SURVEYS BECAUSE THERE WAS TOO MUCH UNDERBRUSH AND TOO MUCH SNOW. JOSEPH JUMPED THE GUN, FIGURED HE WAS DOING THE RIGHT THING AND HAD THE UNDERBRUSH CLEARED. NOW THERE, THERE WERE TREES IN THERE FOR SURE, AND I'VE GOT PHOTOGRAPHS WE WALKED WITH JEFF TODAY. UM, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE TREES ARE A BIG PROBLEM AND, AND SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CLEARED, THE NUMBER OF TREES AND THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND THE SCOPE OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT. I'VE BROUGHT PICTURES THAT I'M WILLING TO SHOW AND YOU CAN SHARE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. BUT IT, THERE WASN'T A FOREST CUT DOWN. THERE WAS A, A GROUP OF TREES IN SOME SPECIFIC AREAS AND IT WAS ALL DONE BY MISTAKE. THOSE TREES OUT OF THE BULK OF THOSE TREES, MOST OF THEM WERE DEAD AND KILLED BY THE ASH BAR. DID, DID YOU GUYS COME, COME UP WITH A NUMBER, A GUESSTIMATE AND THAT WAS IT? IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD GUESSTIMATE. JEFF AND I WALKED RIGHT. AND WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S ABOUT 70 NOW. 70 SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT OVER A TEN EIGHT PARCEL, IT'S SEVEN TREES PER ACRE. DO DOESN'T SOME OF THAT 70 INCLUDE THE DEBT TREE? A LOT OF, YEAH, A LOT OF IT. SO I, I DON'T WANT US TO HELP LIKE MINIMIZE LIKE, BUT LET'S JUST LET HIM TALK. LET'S JUST LET HIM TALK HIS PIECE. LET'S NOT SIT. I DON'T WANNA YEAH, GO AHEAD. SO THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I BOUGHT BROUGHT, I'M HAPPY TO SHOW YOU. WE HAD 'EM PRINTED OUT LATER SO THAT IT IS IDENTIFIED. WE DID SIT WITH JEFF TODAY. HE DID PREVENT PRESENT US WITH A LETTER, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD AGREED UPON. UM, WE ARE WILLING, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE, UH, APPROVALS FOR LANDSCAPE LAYOUT, GREEN SPACE. SO WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS STRATEGICALLY PLACING THE TREES BACK IN AREAS THAT, UH, MAKE THE MOST SENSE. FORTUNATELY, THE TREES THAT WERE TAKING DOWN, MOST OF THEM WERE ALL IN THE BACK LINE WHERE THE PROJECT REALLY DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY. SO WE COULD GO BACK AND PUT TREES BACK THERE. UM, WE CAN STRATEGICALLY PLACE TREES AROUND THE PROPERTY TO HELP BRING THAT PORTION BACK. THE ONE THING THAT I REALLY WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS THESE WEREN'T LEGACY TREES. WE'RE TALKING, I UNDERSTAND TREES ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY'RE NOT A HUNDRED YEAR OLD TREES. THESE ARE SMALL TREES. SEVEN, EIGHT INCH DIAMETER. I I GET IT. THEY HAVE VALUE. UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT LEGACY TREES. WE DID NOT GO IN AND KNOCK DOWN TREES WITH EXTENSIVE VALUE. THESE ARE ASH TREES THAT WERE DYING OR DEAD. UM, I DID BRING PICTURES IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT 'EM, AND I CAN SHOW YOU FROM WHAT ANGLES THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN BECAUSE THE OTHER PART OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING, I MEAN WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, WE'RE ONLY DEVELOPING HALF OF IT, WHICH IS THE HALF THAT HAD ALMOST, I DON'T WANNA SAY ALMOST NO TREES, BUT VERY FEW TREES. AND THAT GOES FROM THE, THE, UH, THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S A NATURAL, UM, A LINE OR A UTIL EASEMENT. SO [01:25:01] THE SIDE THAT THE TREES WERE TAKING DOWN THAT THERE'S MORE PUT TREES BACK THERE AS WELL. BUT THE SIDE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR, FOR YOUR REVIEW FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW HAS MINIMAL TREES ON IT. AND IS THAT PHASE ONE? I'M SORRY? IS THAT PHASE ONE? TECHNICALLY IT'S PHASE ONE, TWO, AND THREE. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL SHOW YOU THE PHOTOGRAPH AND I'LL EXPLAIN IT IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE NOT BEEN, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. SARAH. I SUBMITTED THE PHOTOS VIA EMAIL. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE GOTTEN EM. YEAH, WE HAVE 'EM. MM-HMM . OKAY. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF BIGGER PHOTOS. IT'S I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN THAT'S FINE TOO. 'CAUSE LIKE I THINK THERE'S A BIG DISCONNECT AND A BIG CONFUSION OF, OF WHERE THESE BUILDINGS ARE GOING IN THE TREES THAT WE'RE TAKING DOWN. UM, OKAY. HOLD THAT THOUGHT. OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS, IS THERE SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR? I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD AT THIS POINT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE SO WE CAN STEER THIS MEMBER MCCORMICK. I JUST, WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH IS A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PARK. OKAY. AND THEY'VE EXPERIENCED AN UPTICK IN ILLEGAL A TV ACCESS ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO THEY HAVE BEEN ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THE CLEARING HERE. AND WE WOULD'VE REQUESTED BUFFERING. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I CAN'T, WE CAN'T READILY SAY THOSE WERE DYING ASH TREES AFTER THEY'RE GONE AND THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR US TO VERIFY IT. SO RESPECTFULLY, I THIS HAPPENED, I, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. I RECOGNIZE THIS IS NOT AN OVER ROAD STATE FOREST, BUT THAT DOESN'T DIMINISH THE FACT THAT THIS HAPPENED AND WE WOULD'VE ASKED FOR OTHER CHANGES AND I WOULD RATHER NOT. LIKE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ONE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS, THAT WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A NATURE PARK ABUTTING THIS PROPERTY AND THAT WE DON'T TRY TO UNDULY MINIMIZE AND WE JUST ACCEPT THAT WHAT HAPPENED AND WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND NOT TO TRY AND GET PUSHED TO ACCELERATE. LIKE, I, I APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME MERIT IN SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING TO HEAR THAT RECOGNIZING THAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS EXPERIENCED SOME ADVERSE EFFECTS TO THEIR PROPERTY, THEN MAYBE WE COULD HAVE MITIGATED BY FOLLOWING THE PROCESS. I CAN TOTALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND I DO AGREE WITH IT, EXCEPT WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THE TREES ARE GONE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE'VE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH JEFF. WE'VE LEARNED WE ARE ON THE, ON THE, UH, DOCKET FOR THE CONSERVATION GROUP. WE'VE AGREED TO PUT WHAT WE CAN BACK. WE'VE AGREED TO FOLLOW THE RULES. AGAIN, I CAME ON BOARD TO HELP MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN WITH REGARD TO THE TREES, WHAT YOU DO, WHAT I DID NOT EXPLAIN IS THERE'S NO TREES THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED. YES, THEY'VE BEEN CUT DOWN, BUT THE STUMPS ARE THERE. THERE'S NOT BEEN ONE TREE THAT'S BEEN UPROOTED. GRANTED, THEY'RE CUT DOWN, BUT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS YOU CAN GO THERE AND SEE THAT THEY'RE COMPLETELY MULCHED. YEAH, WE GET IT. YEAH, NO, I, YES, BUT I'M, MY TREE IDEA OF A MULCH TREE IS POOR. LIKE I'M, SO I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK YOU'VE BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE IN YOUR DELIVERY IF YOU JUST SAID, WE RECOGNIZE THERE WAS A MISTAKE, WE WANNA DO WHAT WE CAN TO RECTIFY IT. HERE'S OUR PLAN. RATHER THAN TRYING TO GIVE US A, A SPEECH ABOUT ALL THE WAYS TO MINIMIZE IT, WHAT WE WANNA DO IS DO THE RIGHT THING. WE RECOGNIZE IT'S A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER, SMALL BUSINESS. AND THAT UNFORTUNATELY, MISTAKES HAPPENS SOMETIMES. BUT WE, WE WANNA WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS RECOGNIZING WHERE WE'RE AT, ACCEPTING IT'S NOT A GREAT SITUATION. BUT I, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS THE FOLKS WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO HAVE ANY CONTINUED CHALLENGES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. WELL, IN NO WAY DID I EXPECT THERE ME TO GIVE A SPEECH. I WAS ASKED TO EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. WE ACKNOWLEDGE, WE AGREE. WE DID TALK TO JEFF. WE HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN. I WAS GIVEN THAT, CAN WE HEAR WHAT THAT PLAN IS? I WAS GIVEN THAT AT FOUR O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON. OKAY. SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE. HE ASKED US TO GIVE US A, GIVE HIM A DRAWING INCLUDED ON THE SITE PLAN. OKAY. AND, AND SAY WHERE WE THINK WE CAN BEST WORK THIS OUT. TWO, THEY ASKED US TO PRESENT THAT PLAN TO CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT, WHICH WE WORKED WITH SARAH TRIED TO GET ON THEIR, ON THEIR BOARD OR ON THEIR MEETING. SO THIS REALLY ISN'T A SPEECH IT WE HAVE DONE AND I THINK SARAH WILL AGREE. I AGREE. WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO AT THE TIME OF, AS WELL AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE PUT A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION AND INFORMATION TOGETHER ASIDE FROM THE TREES TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED AS TIME AS WE CAN. I THINK IF YOU, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? CHAIR, HANG ON. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? MEMBER MCCORMICK? GO AHEAD. UM, THE PLAN IS THAT THEY WILL PLAN THAT THEY'VE AGREED TO WITH JEFF, OR [01:30:01] THAT JEFF AGREED TO, IS THAT THEY WILL COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT REPLACES THE TREES WHERE, WHERE THE TREES THEY FIX THE TREES OUGHT TO BE AND THEY'RE GONNA GET IT TO THE CAB OR TO LEONA AS SOON AS THEY CAN SO THAT BY THE TIME THE APRIL CAB MEETING COMES ALONG, CAB HAS ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW IT. AND THEN THE, BECAUSE THE CAB IS WHERE THEY WOULD'VE GONE IF THEY HAD GONE, GONE FOR TREE CLEARING PERMIT. SO THAT'S WHERE, WHY JEFF SAID GO TO THE CAB AND THEN THE CAB WILL WORK OUT WHERE THE TREES ARE GONNA GO AND WHAT KIND THEY'RE GONNA BE AND WHAT SIZE IS GONNA BE. AND THEN THE THOUGHT IS, ASSUMING YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT AT SOME POINT, THAT WILL BE A CON ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO LAY THE TREES PER THE CONSERVATION BOARD. OKAY. ENGINEERING, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER AT THIS POINT? NO. OKAY. UM, BOARD MEMBERS, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANYTHING TO OFFER IN REGARDS TO THIS TREE SITUATION? OKAY, I AM JUST GONNA SAY THIS. OH, GO AHEAD. SO, OKAY. PLAN IS TO COME UP WITH A REPLACEMENT PLAN FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING THAT KAILIN, WHEN I LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS THERE, THERE ARE STILL STEPS WHICH WOULD TELL YOU WHICH OF THESE WERE DEAD ASH TREES. I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THEM. THERE WAS A MISTAKE. I WOULD LOVE YOU TO REPLACE 70 TREES AND DO IT IN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA DIE FROM AN INVASIVE SPECIES. BUT HE IS NOT WRONG. THERE ARE STUMPS HERE THAT ARE IDENTIFIABLE. BUT IN YOUR WALKTHROUGH, DID YOU GO WITH ANYONE WHO WAS ABLE TO SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE TYPE OF TREE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? 'CAUSE THAT A LOT OF THIS WAS JUST BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST WEEK. SURE. SO WE CONTACTED THE OFFICES THAT WERE TOLD TO CONTACT. WE DISCUSSED WHAT WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS WITH THE PEOPLE WE WERE TOLD TO DISCUSS IT WITH. AND WE'D JUST BEEN GIVEN ALL THIS INFORMATION LITERALLY AS I WALKED OUT THE OFFICE DOOR TODAY AT FOUR O'CLOCK WITH WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH DID GOING TO COME UP, BUT MM-HMM. UM, WE, WE MADE THE PLAN AT FOUR O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON WITH JEFF. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, KIND OF NOT ON US, BUT JEFF AND I REALLY WANTED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION BY TONIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF CALLED THEM YESTERDAY AND SAID, LET'S GET THIS SOMETHING. SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET SOMEBODY OUT THERE. AND THAT'S OKAY. WE, I MEAN WE CAN, WE CAN DO MORE WORK ON THE SITE. I GUESS I JUST, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE PLAN IS TO MAKE A PLAN. SO WE DON'T PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE A RESOLUTION, WE HAVE A PLAN TO MAKE A PLAN. RIGHT. AND THEN THE PLAN WILL COME BACK TO US AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE CAB. BUT, UM, YES. BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THAT PLAN, ONCE IT DOES COME TO US, HAS ALREADY BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE CAB THAT THE PLANTINGS, THE NUMBERS, THE SPECIES, THE PATIENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN GONE THROUGH THAT VETTING. YEAH. SO THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING COULD BE LEFT TO INTERPRETATION, THE FINAL SITE PLAN REFLECTED UPON THIS PLAN EXACTLY. THAT THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH. THAT IS WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR IS THE NUMBERS, SPECIES SIZE, UM, CONFIRMATION THAT YOU HAVE A WATERING PLAN THAT YOU'RE, THEY'RE THESE TREES ARE NOT GOING TO DIE. UM, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU KELYN. YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO EVERYBODY THAT WE WILL TAKE THE NECESSARY ACTIONS TO MAKE IT RIGHT. WE CAN'T GO BACK. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE RESOLUTION. WE'RE READY TO ATTACK THE RESOLUTION HOWEVER IT NEEDS TO BE. WITH REGARD TO THE SITE PLAN AND THE PROJECT. HANG ON. DID YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER? DID YOU USE SOMETHING? JUST THE IDEA THAT IF, IF THE TREES WERE TO DIE, THAT SOMETHING IN THE RESOLUTION THAT UH, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES TREES DON'T STAY HEALTHY AND THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED. SO IF A TREE DIES WITHIN SAY FIVE YEARS, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. ANY LANDSCAPING IN YOUR LAW REQUIRED BY THE BOARD THREE WISE HAS TO SURVIVE FOR PERIOD, I BELIEVE THREE TO FIVE YEARS. SO YOU CAN'T INCLUDE IT, BUT IT'S ALSO IN THE LAW THAT GREAT. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S ESTABLISHED. THE CONSERVATION BOARD HAS TO MAKE SURE THOSE TREES ARE ALIVE OUT THERE. OKAY. OKAY. SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION. NO, DID YOU WANNA FINISH YOUR THOUGHT? WELL, THE ONLY THING I WAS, I'M HERE NOT THE ACTUAL PROJECT AND PHASES ONE, TWO, AND THREE. I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND IF YOU HAVE IT. SO THE ONLY THING I WANNA SAY IS I'M SORRY THAT I'M THE HEAVY, BUT I WANTED TO GET THIS OUT FRONT. I'VE HEARD, I'VE GOTTEN COMPLAINT LETTERS. WE HAVE, WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT'S GO, THAT'S BEING ADVERSELY AFFECTED. AND THAT'S WHY I PUT IT THE ELEPHANT IN FRONT. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S ON THE FRONT. WE'RE NOT DELAYING ANYTHING. I BELIEVE THAT THIS APPLICANT DID NOT DO IT INTENTIONALLY BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND THE WAY THE REACTION TIME FROM THIS WEEK. I'VE PERSONALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS ALL WEEK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WITH EVERYBODY. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THIS APPLICANT'S COMMITMENT AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT TO THE FOREFRONT. I WANT THE PLAN STARTED. I WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS TO PROCEED SO WE CAN PROCEED NOW WITH THE SITE PLAN AND MOVE FORWARD. AND THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR HOMEWORK. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING. UM, I DO THINK THAT THE SITE SHOULD BE WALKED WITH CAB. I [01:35:01] THINK YOU SHOULD DO THAT. SO THEY CAN START IDENTIFYING THE SPECIES, START IDENTIFYING WHAT'S DEAD, WHAT'S NOT DEAD, WHAT CAN BE REPLACED, WHAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPLACED. BUT MY NUMBER ONE, MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS THIS RESIDENT THAT'S BEING ADVERSELY AFFECTED. AND I DON'T KNOW IF A TEMPORARY FENCE NEEDS TO BE PUT UP. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, TO STOP THESE PEOPLE FROM DRIVING ALL OVER THIS PROPERTY. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS BEEN A BIG NUISANCE AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT PART OF IT AS WELL BASED ON THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE GOT FROM THE, THE RESIDENT. CORRECT. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? WELL, AGAIN, THAT WAS BROUGHT ON, THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US TO OUR ATTENTION AT THE WORK SESSION JUST BEFORE THE WORK SESSION IT STARTED. WE NEVER HEARD OF ANYBODY DRIVING ONTO THEIR PROPERTY OR SO IN THE WALKTHROUGH TODAY. AND I'M NOT DISCOUNTING THAT THEY AREN'T DOING THAT BY ANY MEANS. WE DIDN'T SEE ANY, UH, FOUR WHEELER TRAFFIC OR MM-HMM . OR THERE IS A FENCE BACK THERE. IT'S KNOCKED DOWN. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY OR THEIR PROPERTY. BUT WE TOO WANT TO BE NEIGHBORLY IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM DO WE WANNA HAVE OUR PROJECT AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY OR VICE VERSA. THIS PROPERTY IS, IS GOING TO BE A STABLE ON THAT, ON THAT BEND, IF YOU WILL. THE BUILDINGS ARE BEAUTIFUL. THE THE SITE WILL BE BEAUTIFUL THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE COMMITTED TO MAKING THE SITE AND FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES, ALL THE ASPHALT, ALL THE FENCING, ALL THE TREES, UH, THE, THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING. THEY'VE GOT MASONRY INCORPORATED INTO 'EM TO HELP BRING THE, THE LOOK TO WHERE YOU GUYS ARE EXPECTING IT. AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY FOLLOW THE RULES WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WHATEVER WE NEED TO. SO DO YOU THINK THAT IT'S GOOD TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND MAYBE SEE MAYBE THE TWO BETWEEN YOU GUYS COULD WORK SOMETHING TEMPORARILY, HE COULD IDENTIFY WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM IS? WE DON'T KNOW. WE'RE NOT THE POLICE. BUT IF AT LEAST IF WE COULD OPEN UP COMMUNICATION WITH THE, WITH THE RESIDENT, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE GETTING LETTERS AND THEN AT LEAST WE COULD DO THAT. YEAH, WE WOULD'VE NO PROBLEM MEETING WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBOR AND COMING UP WITH A TEMPORARY SOLUTION AS LONG AS WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MIGHT BE. RIGHT. THE ONLY THING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS COMMIT TO SOMETHING THAT, UH, WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PROJECT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE PROJECT. RIGHT. SO IF WE CAN PUT UP A TEMPORARY FENCE OR WE'LL PUT A TEMPORARY FENCE. OKAY. SO WE BELABORED THAT PRETTY WELL. WE HAMMERED THAT HORSE QUITE A BIT. SO NOW IN REGARDS TO THE PROJECT, UM, YOU DID PROVIDE WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE GOT, WE JUST GOT THIS TODAY AS WELL BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DOWNLOAD THE, I KNOW YOU PRES PRESENTED IT WITHIN THE WEEK, BUT IT COULDN'T ALL GET DOWNLOADED. SO I KNOW THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN STUDYING THIS SINCE THEY GOT IN HERE. AND I'M GOING TO ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS IF, UM, THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS. IT WASN'T MEMBER MCCORMICK. YEAH. SO I HAD BEEN PART OF THE BIG ASK FOR THIS. AND SO WHAT I HAD ASKED FOR WAS A LETTER THAT WAS DESCRIBING VERBALLY TO, OR WRITTEN TO ACCOMPANY THE DRAWINGS, CUT AND FILL A DESCRIPTION OF THE ENGINEERING ACTIVITIES, HOW THE CONSTRUCTION WORK WAS GONNA PROGRESS. THIS IS MORE OF A BUSINESS PLAN AND PROFILE AND THEN INFORMATION ON THE STRUCTURES. BUT MY, MY QUESTION WAS MORE ABOUT THE, A DETAIL OF WHAT'S THE, HOW ARE THE EARTHWORKS GONNA BE DONE, NOT JUST THE PLAN. UM, AND THE, THE ENGINEER THAT WAS PRESENT BEFORE HAD SAID, OH, IT'S ON THE DRY. I SAID, WELL, WE WANT A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO AND HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO IT TO ACCOMPANY THAT. SO I DON'T, I APPRECIATE THERE'S MUCH INFORMATION, THERE'S GOOD VISUALS HERE, BUT THAT'S NOT, NOT, WAS NOT WHAT I HAD INTENDED WHEN I MADE THE ASK ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. WE WERE HOPING IT, I WAS HOPING FOR IT IN WRITING FOR THE FILE. HE DID WALK THROUGH IT. BUT FOR REFERENCE FOR US GOING FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME. AND CAN YOU ASK A QUESTION? SURE, ABSOLUTELY. GO AHEAD. SO THE ENGINEERING THAT WAS STILL IN, IN PRESENTED TO ENGINEERING LAST AT THE WORK SESSION WHEN IT WAS ASKED OF ENGINEERING IF THEY REVIEWED IT, IS THERE MORE THAT WE NEED TO DO BASED ON THE REVIEW? I KNOW YOU WANT YOUR DESCRIPTION. IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING IN ADDITION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN PARTICULAR? I THINK IT WOULD, THERE WAS SPECIFICS ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL, RETAINING WALL WASN. IT WASN'T ENGINEERING COMMON, SO, RIGHT. YEAH, IT WASN'T. SO ENGINEERING REVIEW WILL ONLY FULLY DETAILED OCCUR. DID YOU GET PLANNING THEN? I WILL LOOK AT EVERY GRADE, EVERY HOW THE DRAINAGE AFFECTS IT AND HOW EVERYTHING WILL RUN. SO I DID NOT TAKE THE PLAN THAT WAS DONE AND GO THROUGH THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL BECAUSE WE ALWAYS WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THEIR COMMENT FIRST. BECAUSE IF THEY CHANGE SOMETHING AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND RE-ENGINEER YOUR PLAN AND I HAVE TO REVIEW IT AGAIN. UH, MY WORK GETS REPEATED AND I FRANKLY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S WAY TOO BUSY TO TO YEAH, NO, I JUST, SO IT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT SATISFYING THEIR S NOT AN ENGINEERING COMPANY. OKAY. SO [01:40:01] I THINK GIVEN THE VOLUME OF EARTH WORK ON THE SITE, UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE COTTON AND FILL IS GONNA OCCUR, HOW MATERIAL IS GONNA BE STAGED, THE SITE IS OVER FIVE ACRES. SO THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL STORM WATER, UM, SITE MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS. HOW ARE YOU GONNA HANDLE THAT ON THE SITE? WHERE'S IT GONNA GO? WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF RETAINING STRUCTURES TO THIS MAGNITUDE IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD. HOW ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT? WHERE'S THAT GONNA GO? HOW ARE YOU GONNA MANAGE THE WATER AND SURFACE FLOW THAT'S GONNA RESULT FROM THAT? AND THEN HOW DO WE DESCRIBE THAT IN A WAY THAT WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THESE, OR HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT AN ENG I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THIS BOARD HAS AN ENGINEERING DEGREE THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING AND WE CAN CROSS REFERENCE AND UNDERSTAND IT, BUT HAVING A NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION GO ALONG WITH IT SO WE CAN ASK OUR QUESTIONS SO THAT WE'RE NOT BACK AND FORTH TO THREE ROUNDS OF REVIEW WITH TAMMY. I CAN PREPARE THAT FOR YOU. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'VE BEEN BROUGHT ON BOARD, UH, WITH REGARD TO ALL THREE PHASES. THERE'S VERY MUCH A STRATEGIC PLAN TO LET, TO DEVELOP THAT SITE IN A STRATEGIC WAY SO THAT ONE THING DOESN'T AFFECT THE OTHER. AND WE'LL ABSOLUTELY MITIGATE THE WATER AND STOCKPILE MATERIALS AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND THE PROFESSIONAL MANNER. AND SO I ON THE, ON THE FIRST HALF OF THAT, SO WE WANNA UNDERSTAND, I THINK YOU DID GOOD. I THINK CAITLYN HIT CORRECTLY EXPLAINING THE, THE EARTHWORK AND THE RETAINING WALL. BUT THE REASON WE ENDED UP WITH THIS SORT OF CORPORATE PROFILE IS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH HAPPENING AT ONCE THAT WHEN WE LISTEN TO THE LONG EXPLANATION, WHICH IS VERY DETAILED AND VERY HELPFUL, THEN WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IT IN A MONTH FROM NOW. AND SO WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE AS A BOARD KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN EACH PHASE AND WHAT DOES THE COMPANY DO AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT HERE, YOU KNOW, UM, PRIMARY LINE OF BUSINESS, HOT WATER AND BOILER SYSTEM SALES, SERVICE DESIGN AND INSTALLATION, 20 QUANTITY RENTAL TRAILER SYSTEM SERVICING. SAME INDUSTRIES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THAT. LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHOWROOM AND A SERVICE CENTER AND A PLACE WHERE YOU KEEP PARTS AND SOME KIND OF RENTAL. LIKE HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE DESCRIPTION OF I NEED SEVEN BUILDINGS AND FOUR BUILDINGS HERE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, IS THE, LIKE THE, A DESCRIPTION OF THE OPERATION. AM I MAKING SENSE? MM-HMM . YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION I WAS GOING TO EXPLAIN TO, TO BE HONEST. OH, BASED ON THE DRAWINGS THEY GAVE AND THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD KIND OF ASKED FOR A, A NARRATIVE WRITEUP JUST SO THAT WE COULD, AND I WE'RE, WE, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE YOU EXPLAIN IT IF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK IT WAS PART, IF WE HAD ANY WRITING BECAUSE IT IS SO DENSE AND IN SO MANY PHASES, THEN WE COULD KIND OF SIT WITH THAT AND THE ENGINEERING PLANS AND DO A MORE DETAILED REVIEW. DOES ANYONE DISAGREE OR NOT THINK WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE IN WRITING? NO, I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR THE FIRST TIME. THAT THAT'S WHAT, REMEMBER MCCORMICK WAS SPELLING OUT. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE JUST, I GUESS YOU JUST GOT THIS PAPER COPY TELL YOU THAT I LOOKED AT IT EARLIER TODAY. I MEAN, I REVIEWED IT EARLIER TODAY BEFORE I MADE THIS. I REVIEWED IT THIS AFTERNOON. JUST AS A POINT COMMENT ON THAT. EACH BUILDING, ON EACH DRAWING IS, IS DETAILED. PHASE ONE BUILDING IS USED FOR THIS VILLAGE BUILT TWO BUILDING IS USED FOR THAT. YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS AND WITHIN EXPLANATION, UM, YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT. AND THEN THERE IS A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF ALL PHASES ONE, TWO, AND THREE AND THEN A TIMELINE THAT'S BEEN GIVEN ON HOW THEY INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AND AFFECT EACH OTHER. UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOESN'T SO NONE OF THIS WRITEUP EXPLAINS HOW THE, THE CIVIL SITE PROPERTY WORK OF THE SITE WITH THE SUBSTANTIAL EARTH WORKS, HOW YOU'RE STAGING MATERIAL THAT PART NEEDS TO. SO ALL OF THAT, I THINK ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO COME IN THERE. THERE IS USEFUL INFORMATION HERE I THINK IS JUST ASKING FOR, PUT TOGETHER A PHASE PLAN AND POP THIS SITE ON THE EVIDENCE FROM AN EARTHWORK STANDPOINT, RIGHT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE A PHASE APPROACH THAT OUTLINES TYPE OF BUILDING, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDING AS WELL AS TIMEFRAME. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMEFRAME, YOU ALSO CAN SEE HOW SITE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, OVERLAP WITH RESPECTIVE PHASE ONE AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE TIME OF YEAR WHEN YOU END UP HAVING THE SITE WORK BEING DONE AND THE CONSTRUCTION. SO I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE EXACTLY, YOU, YOU'RE, THE ASK IS FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE EARTH WORK. I MEAN I THINK OF THE EARTH WORK WHEN THINGS ARE GOING IN AND THEN HOW THEY'RE GONNA MANAGE ALL THIS PHASED AROUND IT. LIKE THERE'S A HUGE, LIKE WE'VE GOT A LOT ON THE BUILDINGS AND STUFF GOING IN, BUT LIKE THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF CIVIL SITE ENGINEERING AND A LOT MORE CUT AND FILL THAN WE GENERALLY SEE. SO WHEN YOU CUT OFF THE TOP TO LEVEL THE SITE AND YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING A RETAINING WALL, WHEN ARE YOU DOING THAT? WHERE'S THAT MATERIAL BEING STORED? I, I CAN WRITE, WRITE, TELL. I I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IN ALL FAIRNESS THAT THIS WAS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR AND I, I PUT THIS TOGETHER BASED ON, ON THAT IF THE, THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION I CAN SURELY COMPLETE GET TO YOU. THIS, THIS [01:45:01] DEFINITELY IS HELPFUL AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT THE, THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT. UM, I THINK WE JUST ARE A LITTLE MORE LAY PERSON ON THE, THE EARTHWORK AND SOME OF THE OPERATIONS. AND THEN THERE ARE PIECES HERE YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER, UM, WHICH NOTABLY PHASE TWO STARTS IN 2025 AND PHASE ONE STARTS IN 2026. SO THEY ARE NOT, THE PHASES ARE NOT LINEAR, BUT HERE IT SAYS IT'S ON HERE. PHASE ONE SAYS SPRING OF 21, 25. SORRY. OH, IT MIGHT JUST BE A TYPO ON THE PLAN THEN. YEAH, IT'S A TY TYPE ON THE PLAN. NO PROBLEM. SO THE PLAN'S GOT THE WRONG DATES, WHICH IS FINE. IT DOES, IT'S PROBABLY PART OF SHAREPOINT. IT'S SHAREPOINT ON HERE. IT'S SHAREPOINT'S SHAREPOINT. IT'S SHAREPOINT'S FAULT. YEAH. WELL BLAME IT ON SHAREPOINT. ARE YOU GOING JUST THE HELP WITH THE GRADING ISSUE? I THINK EVERYBODY'S ROOM, THIS PROJECT WAS SITE WAS THE SUBJECT OF AN EIS AND FINDINGS WERE MADE. ONE OF THE FINDINGS IS THAT YOU MUST MAINTAIN THE BERM BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE ROT AND GUN CLUB. SO IN ANY OF YOUR GRADING PLANS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, THAT'S, THAT IS YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT FIRM OR GET APPROVAL FROM THE ROD AND GUN CLUB. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT'S COME UP OVER THE YEARS IS, AND YOU HAVE BOUGHT THE PEN, DIXIE SITE, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IMPACTS OF THE PEN DIXIE SITE. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE DEFINITELY LIGHTING IS GOING BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT AND WHATEVER WOULD WITH THERE AND JUST MAKE SURE THE BUFFERING TO THAT PROPERTY. BUT THE ROD GUN CLUB, YOU CANNOT TOUCH THAT BERM AND IT'S GOTTA BE MAINTAINED IN THAT PROTECTION. SO YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT. BUT THAT WAS ACTUALLY A, A FORMAL CONDITION IN THE BINDINGS AND IT BASICALLY SAYS IN THERE YOU NEED APPROVAL OF THE ROD GUN. DON'T LOVE TO TOUCH ANY OF THAT AREA. OKAY. SO YEAH, WE VERY MUCH KNEW ALL OF THAT. YEAH. YES. THE LIGHTING AND ALL THAT. I JUST POINT OUT THE BOARD AND JOSH IS GONNA SEND YOU THE FINDINGS AND KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR YOUR OTHER PROJECT THAT'S IN ON JEFFREY BOULEVARD. THERE IS A FINDING STATEMENT THAT HAS BEEN ISSUED AND HAD SOME CONDITIONS TO, IT USED TO HAVE CONDITIONS LIKE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY USED TO HAVE A RAVENWOOD NORTH BOARD THAT USED TO REVIEW THAT. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS THE RAVENWOOD NORTH BOARD ANYMORE. THERE'S NO DESIGN REVIEW AND WHATEVER OF, OF BUILDING TYPES AND WHATEVER THE FINDINGS WAS, THE BOARD WOULD AGREE ON THE TYPE OF BUILDINGS TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF THE SITE. THAT BOARD DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. RIGHT. AND JUST FOR THE BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE, THE REASON THAT I WAS BOTH BROUGHT ON TO THE PROJECT IS BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY AND MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWN. I'VE DONE WORK IN THE TOWN WITH DREW AND WITH SARAH AND WITH JEFF AND I SAT WITH KURT ALLEN BACK IN THE DAY AND HELPED TO WRITE SOME OF THE TOWN CODE. SO I'M, I'M VERY MUCH AWARE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I'LL DOCUMENT FOR, I SAID THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE PLAN AND THERE VERY MUCH IS A PLAN TO DEVELOP EACH PHASE OF THIS PROPERTY IN THE PROPER SEQUENCE OF ORDER OF OPERATION AND FOLLOW ALL THE RULES. I I THERE'S A PAGE BOARD MEMBERS, IF EVERYBODY SEES THIS PAGE. YES. IT'S CALLED, UM, PROPOSED JEFFREY BOULEVARD THREE PHASE PSYCH PROJECT. DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THAT? YEP. YES. MM-HMM . AND THAT ANSWERS THE ANSWERS A, A GOOD PART OF THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF FUNCTIONALITY. CORRECT. WHAT EACH THING IS GONNA BE DOING. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST A FUNCTIONALITY THAT THIS BOARD LOOKS AT. WE ALSO LOOK AT GROUND AND SURFACE WATER AND IMPACT AND EVERYTHING. SO I THINK IF YOU ADD THAT TO IT, THAT'S GONNA HELP. I THINK THAT'S JUST THE MISSING, MISSING COMPONENT. YEAH. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE THAT THE BOARD HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW AND I THINK A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS, NOT WITH REGARD TO THE CARRYING OF THE SOIL AND HOW WE'RE HANDLING ALL THAT. I THINK A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED IN HERE. MY ONLY FEAR IS THAT I DUMP THAT ON TOP OF THIS AND MAKE IT EVEN MORE SO. IT ISN'T A SW REQUIRED WITH RESPECT TO ONCE WE GET A YES, A SW WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THIS SITE. RIGHT. WHICH IS A, AN ENGINEERED STORM WATER PROTECTION PLAN, WHICH THEN HAS TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED, WHICH THEN ALSO REVIEWS ESSENTIALLY THE DEWATERING, THE EARTHWORK, HOW AND WHERE STOCKPILES ARE DONE AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? THAT IS A PART OF IT. SO THAT ALL OF THAT WORK IS GOING TO BE FINE TUNELY ENGINEERED AND APPROVED BEFORE THE WORK CAN ACTUALLY EVEN COMMENCE BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN PUT ANY SORT OF DELINEATION OF YOUR SWIFT MARKERS DOWN. SO I ALSO DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO HOLD UP THE PROJECT UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A VERY DETAILED PLAN THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED AND PUT IN PLACE FOR A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH WE'VE ALSO EXPRESSED THAT WE ARE NOT ENGINEERS TO UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? MM-HMM . THAT I WOULD JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT UP FOR CONSIDERATION. OKAY. YEAH. ALL THOSE SOC DELINEATIONS AND ALL THAT, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE RULES RIGHT? EXACTLY. RIGHT. TO TO, I I WILL PUT A PLAN TOGETHER FOR YOU, BUT IT HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY JEFF AND THEM ANYWAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING [01:50:01] THE PLANS. RIGHT. SO JUST TO UNDER, FOR OUR BOARD'S UNDERSTANDING OF THERE IS A CHECKS AND BALANCES WITH RESPECT TO THE AMOUNT OF WORK WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION CAN CUT. SO I'M GONNA DO A PRELIMINARY REMEMBER, SORRY. YES. WE'RE, AND THE SWIFT WILL FOCUS ON FIRMWARE STUFF, BUT WHAT THEY, WE ARE AGREEING THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DESIGN IN TERMS OF THE RETAINING WALL AND THE SLOPE AND WHERE IT'S GONNA GO. LIKE ALL OF THOSE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN. SO THE SW WILL ADDRESS PART OF IT, BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO AND THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH IT. BECAUSE THE SWIFF IS NOT THE TIME THAT THEY'VE CHANGED THE SITE PLAN. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, BUT ON, ON PAGE 10 WITH REGARD TO THE RETAINING WALL, NOW YOU MAY NEED MORE INFORMATION BUT IT'S VERY DETAILED, THE LOCATION WHERE IT'S GOING, THE HEIGHT, THE TYPE OF MATERIAL. CORRECT. I DON'T, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT AND I JUST HAVE ASKED FOR THE NARRATIVE TO GO ALONG WITH IT AND I JUST, I WANNA SEE THAT AND I WANNA SEE THAT OVER WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT THE HAD COMES UP WITH. NO, SO IT'S THIS ONE THAT HAS WITH THE PHASE TWO WITH THE BLUE BUILDINGS. SO THE RETAINING WALLS HIGHLIGHTED DOWN HERE AND THEN THIS IS THEN YOUR DETAIL WITH RESPECT TO HOW THEN YOU'RE DELINEATING BETWEEN THE TWO SPACES. ONE MATERIAL WAS SUBMITTED. YEAH. ORIENTATION PER . THANK YOU. MM-HMM . DOWN IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF EVERY PAGE IT SAYS WHAT PHASE IT IS AND YOU SCOPE WORK, RIGHT? YEAH, WE GOT IT. SO I APOLOGIZE, I WAS NOT THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS YOU'RE APPROVING THIS WHOLE PLAN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PHASED, IT'S BEING APPROVED. OTHER PROJECTS WE HAD LIKE THE BENDERSON PROJECT EARLIER IN THE MEETING THEY SHOWED OTHER THINGS, BUT WE'RE ONLY APPROVING FOR THAT PROJECT. WE ONLY APPROVED THE ROADHOUSE GRILL. THIS WE'RE APPROVING ALL THREE PHASES. CORRECT. THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED OVER TIME PERIOD. SO CORRECT. WE ARE APPROVING THE WHOLE THING. CORRECT. AND THE REASON WE BROUGHT ALL THREE PHASE IS BECAUSE EACH PHASE AFFECTS THE OTHER. SO WE DIDN'T WANT THE OVERLAP. RIGHT. OKAY. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME HOMEWORK THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA DO. THERE'S UM, WE HAVE YOU SCHEDULED, NOT FOR THE NEXT MEETING, BUT FOR THE 16TH OF APRIL. UM, OF APRIL. AND UM, I THINK BY THAT TIME WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY GET TO HAVE YOU GUYS HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH CAB. 'CAUSE THERE'S THE MEETING THE CAB, THE NEXT CAB MEETING IS WHEN UM, WE WORK WITH SARAH. I'M GONNA TO THE POINT OUR NEXT C MEETING IS NEXT WEEK. SO WE ARE GOING TO POSTPONE THE EVALUATION OF THE BRIEFING UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS SAID APRIL. APRIL WHAT? THAT WAS THE PLAN. APRIL. IT'S ALWAYS THE LAST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH BECAUSE NOT TO LEAVE. SO, SO NOT UNTIL LATE APRIL. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT ANYBODY CAN GET OUT AND LOOK AT THIS SITE AHEAD OF TIME? I'M SORRY, I, I FEEL I CAN BACK TO YOU. OKAY. IF YOU WOULD HEAR THAT. I DID YOU GET THE COMMENTS ON THIS? I GOT EVERYTHING. GOOD. YES. UM, SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON THAT BEHIND THE SCENES. IN THE MEANTIME, IF YOU COULD GET THE NARRATIVE. OKAY. CAN I GIVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? YOU, YOU CAN LET ME JUST FINISH COMMENTS. WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION, THIS WAS JUST BROUGHT UP UPON US AGAIN TONIGHT JUST AS WE SAT DOWN. WE DO HAVE A DOCUMENTATION FROM HER DIMENSIONS AND WE CAN SUBMIT THAT AS WELL. PLEASE SUBMIT THAT STATE WAS BOUGHT BASED ON, ON THAT FINDING. SO THIS IS SOMETHING ALL NEW, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU HAVE, SEND IT OVER TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO SARAH AND TO JOSH. OKAY. OKAY. SO THEY CAN HAVE IT AND THEY CAN GET IT TO US. OKAY. WHATEVER YOU GOT. SEND IT THROUGH. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE YOU SCHEDULED FOR THE 16TH OKAY. OF APRIL. AND ANTE HAS MORE QUESTIONS. YES. 'CAUSE I THINK WE CAN KNOCK OUT SOME OF MY QUESTIONS PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE, OKAY, SO PHASE ONE BUILDING OFFICES, FABRICATION AND WAREHOUSING. WHAT ARE YOU FABRICATING AND WHAT ARE YOU WAREHOUSING? WE'RE WAREHOUSING JUST THE PIECES AND THE PARTS THAT WE'RE FABRICATING MEANING ON PAGE ONE OR I'M SORRY, ON PAGE TWO. SO THE SYSTEMS THAT YOU SEE ON THAT PAGE, THE SECOND PAGE AND IS THE PAGE ONE BUILDING USE AND THOSE TYPES OF PIECES AND PARTS ARE WHAT IS STORED IN THE WAREHOUSE. THEY PUT TOGETHER A WATER SYSTEM THAT MAY GO OUT TO A FOOD PROCESSING FACILITY. THOSE COMPONENTS ARE THEN ADDED TO THE STEEL BASE THAT YOU SEE UP HERE IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER WITH THE RED MOTOR. UM, THEY'RE ASSEMBLED AND THEY'RE PUT ON A TRUCK AND SHIPPED TO THE CUSTOMER. OKAY. SO HOT WATER TANKS IF YOU WILL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. YEP. SO YOU'RE WAREHOUSING THE PARTS TO BUILD THESE AND YOUR OFFICE SPACE, THAT IS WHAT IS IN PHASE ONE? [01:55:01] YEP. PHASE TWO, THE MINI STORAGE, IS IT ALL PRIVATE? IT IS. OR ARE YOU RENTING THIS OUT TO OTHER OTHER PEOPLE? IT'S RENTED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, ALL OF IT. TYPICAL MINI STORAGE. THERE IS SOME FLEX SPACE, WHICH IS NOTHING MORE THAN JUST A LITTLE LARGER SPACE. MM-HMM . FOR CONTRACTOR TO STORE THEIR WINDOWS. ALL INTERNAL, NOTHING EXTERNAL. OKAY. AND IT WAS GONNA BE ALL COMMERCIAL I THINK? NO. IS THAT CORRECT? OH, IT'S NOT. IT'S PERSONAL AND IT'S A TYPICAL MINI STORAGE. OKAY. SORRY. SO PUBLIC. AND THAT'S OUTLINED ON PAGE THREE WITH PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE MM-HMM . GOT IT. END OF BRIEF DESCRIPTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. PERSONAL AND PUBLIC. YEAH. SO THAT POPS INTO THE PUBLIC VIDEO STORAGE PARTS OF THE CODE AS WELL. AND IF I CAN JUMP TO PHASE THREE 'CAUSE IT'S A REAL QUICK ONE. MM-HMM . IT'S QUICKER THAN THE OTHER TWO. THAT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WHICH IS A 60 BY 100 AND HOUSES THE TRAILERS THAT PJ MUIRHEAD MANUFACTURERS AND RENTS OUT TO SCHOOLS OR WHOEVER TO TOWN ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN THEIR BOILER GOES DOWN, THEY DO NOT, THEY, THEY COME HOME, THEY GET SERVICED AND THEY GET SENT BACK OUT. THEY DON'T SIT ON SITE. IT'S JUST THE SERVICE COMPANY. OKAY, GREAT. THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE, AND IT'S NOT MOTOR SERVICE, IT'S, IT'S FIXING A, A HOT WATER TANK WITHIN THE TRUCK. MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE YOU TRIPPED A FEW THINGS, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA FOLD INTO OUR REVIEW AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND. LIKE NOW WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT PUBLIC MINI STORAGE. HOW MANY, UM, HOW MANY SPACES ARE THERE? 36, 46, 25. MATH IS HARD. SOMEWHERE IN THE LAND OF 50. WHAT IS THAT GONNA DO TO THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC? WHEN ARE THOSE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER EFFECTS ON THE ROAD? LIKE THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT I'M TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER, WHICH IS WHY I'M ASKING YOU ANNOYING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE WHICH THESE DOCUMENTS DID CONTAIN. I JUST NEEDED A LITTLE HELP READING IT TOGETHER. RIGHT. SO THANK YOU. THAT WAS ALL. I AND ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN GIVEN OR DID HE BRING MORE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PART? NO, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH IT. WE, THAT PART? YEAH. I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT THE, THIS ONE HAS THE CORRECT DATES BECAUSE THESE DATES DON'T MATCH THE PLAN VERSION. THE PLAN, UM, THE PLAN, JUST WANNA KNOW WHICH ONE HAS THE CORRECT DATES ON IT. SO ON THAT PAGE WHERE YOU HAVE THE THREE SYSTEMS, IT SAYS SPRING OF 25 IS THE START DATE FOR ALL OF 'EM. ONE ENDS IN 26, PHASE TWO ENDS IN 27 AND PHASE THREE ENDS IN 28. ON OUR SITE, ON THE PLANS IT SAID SOMETHING ON PHASE ONE STARTS IN 26, ENDS IN 27, PHASE TWO STARTS IN 25, ENDS IN 27 PHASE. OKAY. I I THINK IT'S BEING READ INCORRECTLY. THE, THE, THE ONE THAT SAYS PROJECTED SITE WORK THAT HAS ALL THE PHASES. THIS ONE? YEAH. IN THE BACK RIGHT CORNER THERE'S THE, THE, THE PHASE THING IS VERY DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN IN A PICTORIAL BECAUSE PHASE ONE, THE SITE WORK HAPPENS FOR ALL THREE. IT'S SIMULTANEOUSLY GOING ON AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO MANAGE THE, THE MATERIAL. UM, SO TIMEFRAME I SAID ON THIS ONE WAS COMPLETION ON THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING. SO IT COULD BE COMPLETED. WE'RE LOOKING TO GET PHASE ONE COMPLETED BETWEEN 2026 AND 2027. THE SITE WORK WILL HAPPEN 2025. THE BUILDING WILL START TO GO UP IN 2025, BUT FOR COMPLETION, 20 26, 20 27. OH, OKAY. AND IN THIS, ON PHASE ONE ON THIS, ON THIS DESCRIPTIVE PORTION OF IT, ON THE BOTTOM I SHOW THE SIMULTANEOUS WORK AND PHASE ONE SAYS SITE WORK DRAINAGE, UTILITIES, FOOTINGS AND FOUNDATIONS SPRING AND SUMMER OF 2025. AND THEN AS IT PROGRESSES THROUGH THAT TIMELINE, IT VERY DETAILED. IT'S VERY DETAILED. OKAY. HOW WE EXPECT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS AND COMPLETE IT. OKAY. SO, SO I DON'T THINK THE DATES ARE WRONG ON THE ONE, I THINK IT'S ONE IS FOR COMPLETION AND ONE IS FROM START TO TO FINISH. CORRECT. SO WHAT, HOW THEY, HOW THEY, I THOUGHT THAT YOU WANTED, HOW ONE INTERACTS WITH THAT'S FINE. SO WHAT IS HINGING ON PHASE THREE COMPLETION BEING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2026 AND 2028? WE'RE WORKING A BIG LOOP COMING OUT. WE WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS IN THE BACK SO THAT ANYTHING WE PRODUCE IN THE OR PUT TOGETHER, PUT TOGETHER IN THE FRONT ISN'T IMPACTED. WE DON'T WANT PHASE THREE AND PHASE TWO INTERFERING WITH PHASE ONE'S LAG TIME. SO ESSENTIALLY IF THE OTHER TWO PHASES WRAP UP ON THE EARLY END, THEN PHASE THREE WILL. OKAY. I'M FOLLOWING. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THE OTHER MCC DON'T SEE IN HERE, IS THERE ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING THERE, THERE ARE NOT ELEVATIONS OF THE SIDE OF THE RETAINING WALL WHERE YOU'RE DOING THE [02:00:01] GRADE. THERE IS, THERE IS, IT IS ON THAT PAGE THAT I TALKING ABOUT. PAGE. PAGE. IT STARTS OUT AT, IT STARTS OUT AT ONE FOOT, ENDS AT FIVE FOOT AND IT'S ALSO ON THE SITE PLAN. SO IT'S RIGHT HERE, IT STARTS OUT GRADE ON THE RIGHT SEPARATION OF PHASE ONE AND TWO. SO RIGHT. YOU'VE GOT THE MASONRY BASE AND THEN IT'S FOLLOWING THE GRADE, BUT YET YOU MAINTAINING THE SAME ELEVATION FOR YOUR, SO IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY VERTICAL. IT'S NOT SLOPED. CORRECT. AND IT'S A DELINEATION COMPONENT I THINK PHASE ONE. DO YOU HAVE A SECURE GATE ACCESS FOR YOUR TENANTS THAT ARE GOING INTO THE STORAGE SYSTEM? THE MINISTRY, THAT'S HOW WE'RE MANAGING PHASE ONE FROM PHASE TWO. AND THAT'S THE SAME ON ALL THREE SIDES? THERE ARE, YES. IT'S ONLY ONE SIDED. DO YOU NEED ANY DAM PERMITS OR EARTH WORK PERMITS FROM DEC BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF, NO, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT AND WE DID HAVE AN EARTHWORKS REPORT, WHICH I HAVE. YEP. UM, I SPENT TIME WITH, UH, PLANNING THIS MORNING AND JOSH AND I WAS TOLD WE WERE GOOD WITH THESE. OKAY. I SPENT A GOOD HALF HOUR WITH HIM THIS MORNING AND SARAH GO HERE, BUT MM-HMM. SARAH, YOU GOT TO GO HOME EARLY. OKAY. WELL SARAH AND I AND JOSH AND MY CLIENT SPENT AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF TIME THIS MORNING IN THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS. AND I POINT BLANK SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT THE EC AND HE SIMPLY GOOD. AND SO DOES THE EARTHWORKS DIMENSION REPORT THAT WE GOT BACK PRIOR TO ALL OF THIS THAT SAID WE'RE SO WE'RE GOOD REGARDING THE NO NEED FOR THE PERMIT. PERMIT? CORRECT. I, I FORGOT IN MY PHONE, WHICH I CAN READ TO YOU IF YOU WANT ME TO READ IT TO, I CAN READ IT. WELL WHAT ARE WE TALK, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW. IS THE, THE TOWN'S PLACE TO BE TELLING, MAKING A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE NEEDS A DE STATE PERMIT OR IS THAT NO, IT'S OUTSIDE OUR ROLE PERMIT FOR WHAT I'M ASKING SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE A RETAINING WALL OR RETENTION RETAINING WALL OR ANY SORT OF RETENTION. SO MY QUESTION WAS, IS SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DO THOSE THINGS AND THEY WITHHOLD A CERTAIN MASS, THEY WERE TRIGGER AN APPROVAL FROM DEC AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THOSE THRESHOLDS, BUT MY QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEEDED ANY OF THOSE APPROVAL. WE SHOULD BE FINE WITH THAT BASED ON THE SIZE AND THE ENGINEERING WILL SHOW THAT WHEN APEX, UH, THAT'S ALL BEEN BROUGHT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE DESIGNED THE SITE. AND ANY WATER, BOTH GROUND AND ROOF HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, UM, THROUGH THE WATER MITIGATION PART OF THE PROJECT, GETTING AN ORDER, THE RETENTION AND DETENTION PONDS, THE THE, UH, THE EYES ARE GOING IN THE PARKING LOT. THERE IS NO WATER COMING OFF THE ROOF THAT'S NOT BEING COLLECTED AND SENT WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO. SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING WATER ON NEIGHBORS. GUTTERS ARE BEING CAPTURED AND TAKEN THROUGH UNDERGROUND PIPE SYSTEM. SO THEN SPEAKING OF WATER, I HAVE ONE MORE, SORRY. IT'S ALL RIGHT. UM, WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE GONNA WANNA SEE IF WE DON'T HAVE IT ALREADY AND I DON'T THINK WE DO, IS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OVERLAID, UH, OR THE, THE, I GUESS YEAH, THE STRUCTURE FOOTPRINT OVERLAID ON THE WETLANDS. THE WETLANDS WERE JUST BROUGHT UP TO US. SO WE WERE TOLD THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WETLANDS AND THAT JUST CAME UP IN FIVE MINUTES AS WE SAT DOWN AND I SPENT TIME WITH JEFF THIS MORNING MM-HMM . OR I'M SORRY JOSH. AND WE WERE TOLD THERE WEREN'T WETLANDS AND THE EARTH DIMENSIONS STUDY THAT WAS DONE SAID THAT WE COULD PROCEED WITHOUT HAVING TO DO THE WETLANDS SO WET WE CAN, WE CAN WAIT ON THAT. BUT WETLANDS GET A LITTLE TRICKY 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WETLAND LAWS AT PLAY. OKAY. AND SO, UM, WE HAVE A, A LOCAL LAW THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE WETLANDS TO BE JURISDICTIONAL. OKAY. AND SO THE FEDS ARE STILL UNDER CONTINUOUS SURFACE CONNECTION. THE STATE HAS JUST REDONE THEIR WETLAND LAW AND SO I, IF THERE IS A WETLAND OR A WET AREA THAT COULD BE EVEN A NON-JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND, IT WOULD JUST BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR US GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO SEE THOSE AREAS AND TO SEE HOW THE PROJECT INTERACTS WITH THEM. AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT REQUIRE GOING TO EARTH DIMENSIONS AND HAVING THEM DO A DELINEATION OR IF THEY'VE ALREADY DONE A DELINEATION, THEN THAT REPORT IS GONNA SAY, YES, THIS IS A WET AREA BUT IT'S NON-JURISDICTIONAL. I STILL WANNA SEE THAT AND HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOCAL LAW. OKAY, COOL. AGAIN, I SPOKE WITH JOSH THIS MORNING ON THAT, SO I'LL WORK WITH HIM. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. AND IT MIGHT, UH, UM, SURMOUNT TO NOTHING BUT WE, WE DO HAVE A NON-JURISDICTIONAL LOCAL LAW, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE FOOTPRINT. SURE. AND I THINK ONCE WE GET THAT REPORT AS WELL, THAT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL. THE FACT THAT IT'S A NON-JURISDICTIONAL LAW OR LAW YOU SAID? CORRECT. WE, WE HAVE A LOCAL LAW ABOUT NON-JURISDICTIONAL WETLANDS. OKAY. SO YOU, IS THERE A DRAWING THAT SHOWS THAT OR IS THERE IT IS JUST, WELL YOU'D HAVE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A WETLAND. OKAY. AND SO IT JUST WOULD, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JURISDICTIONAL IN THE SENSE OF STATE OR FEDS, BUT [02:05:01] IT WOULD, YOU CAN STILL HAVE BE A WETLAND. OKAY. SO, SO DIMENSIONS REPORT WOULD, WE WOULD ALSO LOVE TO SEE IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT WITH US. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS GONNA SEND. YEAH. SHOULD ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS TOO. OKAY. OH, I SEE. DO THE REPORT BEFORE YOU DO THE FOOTPRINT DESIGN I'M FOLLOWING. YEAH. SEND US THE REPORT SO WE CAN SEE IT AND THEN IT CAN DO THIS DESIGN. SURE. OKAY. CAN WE SEND YOU THAT INFORMATION PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING OR DO WE CAN SEND DUMP ALL THIS ON YOU GUYS? NO, NO, I WOULD LIKE I SAID YEAH, SEND IT THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. WHATEVER YOU HAVE SEND. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND SEND IT AS SOON AS YOU CAN. OKAY. WE HAVE YOU SCHEDULED FOR THE 16TH. YOU HAVE HOMEWORK TO DO. WE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO I KNOW IT'S BEEN HARD AND A LONG THING, BUT IT THERE'S A LOT HERE AND I THANK YOU AND THE OWNER AND I WELCOME THEM TO HAMBURG. ALTHOUGH AFTER TONIGHT THEY MAY THINK ABOUT MOVING TO MICHIGAN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT ME THERE TOO. WE'LL GET THROUGH IT TOGETHER. YEAH, WE WILL GET THROUGH IT AND UM, I APPRECIATE THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. OKAY. ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST. CAN YOU PUT PAGE NUMBERS ON THE PRINTOUT? 'CAUSE WHEN YOU SAY PAGE SIX ON LINE PAGE SIX IS THAT THERE'S NO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. THAT, THAT IS A FAIR POINT. THE SHAREPOINT, IS THAT GOING TO BE BACK IN ACTIVE NEXT FIVE YEARS? IT'S WE'RE, IT'S QUASI ACTIVE. WE, UM, IF IT'S NOT WE'LL, UM, WE'LL YOU MEAN AM I REALLY TAKING A SLEDGEHAMMER TO IT? WE'LL, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT EVEN IF WE'LL PRODUCE BOTH. WELL EVEN IF YOU EMAIL IT TO SARAH, THEY'LL GET IT. YOU CAN EMAIL IT TO US. YEAH. SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET THE VIRTUAL FILE. SO I GUESS CAPACITY, THE ISSUE WAS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A ZIP FILE THAT WAS PROVIDED AND ACTUALLY UNZIPPING, EXTRACTING, SAVING AND UPLOADING MONUMENTAL TASK. IF YOU CAN SHARE IT AS INDIVIDUAL FILES SEEM LIKE A DROPBOX, I CAN DO THAT. YEAH. PART OF THE PROBLEM, I THINK WITH THE WHOLE SHARE, BECAUSE SHAREPOINT WOULD'VE HAD PAGE NUMBERS ON IT. THE FACT THAT I GAVE YOU PAPER COPIES. MY FAULT. I SHOULD PAGE NUMBERS. YEAH, WE WON THERE. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA BELIEVE IT ALL AT SHAREPOINT AND WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO JOSH WHEN HE COMES BACK. SORRY. ALL ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANKS FOR DOING THANK YOU. AWESOME. AND THAT, RIGHT, THAT'S A WRAP. SO, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS? I WILL LET, I WILL TELL THE BOARD THAT I WILL NOT BE HERE, UM, ON THE SECOND MEMBER. UM, VALENTI WILL BE THE CHAIR, PRESENTING CHAIR FOR, UM, THE NEXT MEETING. AND I WON'T BE FAR, SO I'LL BE WITHIN EARSHOT. UM, SO, UM, AND OF COURSE FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO CONTACT ME BEFORE THE MEETING, YOU CAN, I WILL BE AROUND. I'M NOT LEAVING TOWN OR ANYTHING, I'M JUST GONNA BE AT A DIFFERENT FUNCTION FOR A WEEK. AND SO YOU CAN STILL REACH OUT TO ME AND I'LL BE IN TOUCH AND I'LL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. NO WORRY. I'LL MESS WITH IT UP. OKAY, WELL YOU BILL HELP ME. I HAVE NO PROBLEM THAT YOU'LL MESS ANYTHING UP. UM, IS THERE A MOTION ANYWHERE? MAKE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNS. NEXT SECOND. ALRIGHT. MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED. I THE VOTE ON THAT, BUT I I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE ANY, A CLOSE. THAT'S ONLY EIGHT 30. HAVE TURN BETWEEN. OH YEAH. OH, THANK YOU. I GOT THREE MORE TO ALL. I THINK I WANT ANOTHER ONE. HEY, GRACE. . . I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TURN OFF. I'M TAKING A BIG ONE. BE, YEAH, COME ON. DOES ANYBODY ALREADY COMPLIMENTARY? * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.