[Work Session meeting on July 7, 2025.]
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SO YOU WANT TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. THE ROLL CALL? YES, PLEASE. PRESENT COUNCIL MEMBER PODOLSKI, COUNCIL MEMBER. BUKOWSKI. COUNCIL MEMBER. COMERFORD. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. FERRELL. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. COGAN. HERE. YOU'RE ON FIRST THERE, MR. FARRELL. HERE. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY, WE'LL DO THE PLEDGE FOR YOU. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AMEN. SO IT'S EVENING. WE HAVE ABOUT TWO OF THE ATTORNEYS WHO ARE WORKING ON YOU GOTTA SPEAK INTO THE MIC DISTRICT FORMATION, AND I HAVE IRON SHAVITZ AND HERMAN VACA HERE FROM LIPOS MATTHIAS, WHO ARE GOING TO HELP REVIEW SOME OF THE RESOLUTIONS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING FOR THE WEST ARNOLD WATER DISTRICT AND ALSO THE REFUSE RECYCLING DISTRICT. AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS ALSO. SO THESE ARE THE FIRST STEPS OF ESTABLISHING THE DISTRICT FOR THE WEST ARNOLD AND ALSO THE REFUSE DISTRICT. GOOD EVENING. I'M KAREN FROM MATTHIAS AND WE ARE HERE ALONG WITH I AND SHAVITZ TO, AS MR. FARRELL JUST SAID, WALKING, WALKING THROUGH THE WEST ARNOLD FORMATION PROCESS. SO TO DATE THERE HAS BEEN SOME ACTIVITY IN ESTABLISHING THIS DISTRICT. MOST IMPORTANTLY SO FAR WOULD BE THE MAPS, PLANS AND REPORTS WHICH SETS FORTH A NUMBER OF REQUIRED INFORMATION, WHAT THE PROJECT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT PARCELS ARE INVOLVED AND ALSO THE COST AND HOW THE DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE FINANCED. THAT HAS BEEN FILED WITH THE TOWN CLERK AS OF MARCH, I BELIEVE IT'S 19TH. AND NOW BEFORE THE BOARD, IS THE ORDER SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT. NOW PURSUANT TO TOWN LAW SECTION 209 D, WHICH IS ON OUR ARTICLE 12 A, THERE THERE ARE CERTAIN STATUTORY PREREQUISITES THAT NEED TO BE IN THE ORDER WHICH ARE ALL CONTAINED THERE, SUCH AS A LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME THE DISTRICT THAT IS ATTACHED AS APPENDIX A, THE COST TO THE TYPICAL PROPERTY IN THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS DETERMINED BY FIRST IDENTIFYING THE TYPICAL PROPERTY WHICH IS THE MOST COMMONLY OCCURRING ASSESSED VALUE WITHIN THE DISTRICT. GIVEN THAT THIS DISTRICT IS SOMEWHAT OF A SMALL SIZE, IT'S JUST A SUBDIVISION. THE MOST COMMONLY OCCURRING ASSESSED VALUE WAS $140,000, SO THE COST TO THE TYPICAL PROPERTY IS BASED ON WHAT THE COST TO THOSE TWO PARCELS WOULD BE, WHICH INCLUDE DEBT, DEBT, SORRY, DEBT SERVICING FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH WILL BE ISSUED THROUGH SERIAL BONDS AT 38 YEARS AT 3% INTEREST, AND ALSO AN ESTIMATED WATER SERVICE CHARGE, WHICH IS BASED ON THE ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY'S MAXIMUM. I'M SORRY, MINIMUM QUARTERLY ASSESSMENT. YOU ADD THOSE TWO NUMBERS TOGETHER, AND THE COST OF THE TYPICAL PROPERTY IN THE FIRST YEAR, WHERE THE DEBT SERVICING BECOMES DUE IS $2,051. ADDITIONALLY, IN THE ORDER, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS JUST A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IS TO BE DONE IN THE SUBDIVISION, AND THEN THE ORDER WILL THEREAFTER HAVE TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE LOCAL TOWN NEWSPAPER, WITH NO GREATER THAN 20 DAYS, NOR LESS THAN TEN DAYS BEFORE THE DATE SET FOR THE HEARING, WHICH WE HAVE AS THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING ON AUGUST 5TH OF THIS YEAR. AUGUST 4TH. I'M SORRY. AUGUST 4TH. THANK YOU. ALONG WITH PUBLISHING IN THE NEWSPAPER, HAS TO BE POSTED ON THE TOWN'S OFFICIAL SIGN BOARD.
WE ALSO INCLUDE IN THE ORDER THAT A COPY WILL BE POSTED ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. AND FINALLY,
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THE TOWN CLERK IS REQUIRED TO FILE A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE ORDER WITH THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE. BECAUSE THE COST OF THE TYPICAL PROPERTY IN THIS DISTRICT, OR THE ESTIMATED COST, IS ABOVE THE THRESHOLD SET BY THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE. SO EACH YEAR THE STATE COMPTROLLER, IF IT HAS ENOUGH DATA USUALLY RESERVED FOR SEWER AND WATER DISTRICTS, WILL SET A MINIMUM COST THRESHOLD TO THE TYPICAL PROPERTY. AND THIS THIS COST EXCEEDS THAT, THEREBY REQUIRING APPROVAL FROM THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE. AFTER THE HEARING IS HELD. TAKING COMMENTS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALSO COMPLYING WITH WITH SEEKER, THE BOARD WILL ADOPT AN ORDER ESTABLISHING THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO A PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM. AFTER THE REFERENDUM PERIOD IS COMPLETED, THE STATE COMPTROLLER HAS TO APPROVE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT, WHICH INVOLVES THE TOWN APPLYING TO THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE TO FOR ESSENTIALLY FOR PERMISSION FOR THIS DISTRICT TO BE ESTABLISHED. THE APPLICATION IS THEN SENT TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THERE'S A. I BELIEVE IT'S A FIVE DAY PERIOD THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GET TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON IT. ONCE THAT LAPSES, THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE ISSUES AN OPINION, NOT AN OPINION, ISSUES A APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROJECT, FINDING THAT IT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT.HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDER OR THE PROCESS OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, YEAH, I DO. SO THE STATE SETS THE COST, LIKE HOW MUCH ANNUAL COVERAGE IT'LL BE. I MEAN, SO IF IT'S LIKE AN EXTRA $200 A YEAR OR IS THAT SET BY THE TOWN? SO THE COST IS SET BY THE TOWN IN, YOU KNOW, CALCULATING WHAT THE COST OF THE TYPICAL PROPERTY WOULD BE. THE STATE, THE STATE REQUIRED APPROVAL PROCESS IS ONLY REQUIRED IN CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THE COST TO THE TYPICAL PROPERTY EXCEEDS A THRESHOLD. SO FOR EASY MATH, IF THE THRESHOLD WAS $1,000 FOR A WATER DISTRICT AND THE COST TO THE TYPICAL PROPERTY IN THIS DISTRICT WAS 950, THEN THE STATE APPROVAL WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED. BUT IF IT WAS $1,100 ABOVE THAT THRESHOLD, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE APPROVAL PROCESS. DAN AND YOUR QUESTION, ARE YOU ALSO REFERRING TO THAT SECOND ELEMENT WHICH HAD THE WHAT EXPECTED WATER USAGE CHARGE? THAT ONE COMES FROM THE ERIE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, BECAUSE WE'RE ON A IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THE ACTUAL WATER, THERE'S A LEASE IN ESSENCE WITH BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE AND THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM. OKAY. AND BASED ON THE RATES. YEAH, I GOT THAT. BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BASICALLY THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE FIRE HYDRANTS. THERE'S A COST TO IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. OTHER THING I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, YOU KNOW, DID THEY TAKE THAT AND SAY, BECAUSE I NOTICED, I THINK THEY GIVE YOU A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO PAY IT OFF.
AND FROM THE TO PAY IT PAY OFF IS 30 YEARS. WAS IT A COUPLE YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE BONDING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ACTUAL WATER IMPROVEMENTS? SO ABOUT 38, 38 YEARS, RIGHT? I WAS THINKING 34 FOR SOME REASON, BUT MAYBE LET'S THINK OF THURMAN THOMAS ANYWAYS. YEAH, I WAS JUST I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE MATH FOR, YOU KNOW, THE COST. SO THANK YOU. TAMMY, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WE'RE DOING A DEBT SERVICE FOR 38 YEARS FOR THIS PROJECT JUST TO PAY FOR THE COST OF THE PROJECT. ARE WE ANTICIPATING THE LIFE, THE LIFETIME OF THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO EXCEED THE 38 YEARS? WHAT IS THE TYPICAL LIFESPAN OF THAT TYPE OF PROJECT? OKAY.
THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. AND THEN AT YEAR 30 WE NEED TO FIX SOMETHING. WE STILL HAVE EIGHT YEARS OF DEBT TO PAY. AND HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE IMPACTED BY THE WEST ARNOLD. EXACTLY LIKE HOW MANY PARCELS OF LAND THERE. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT PARCELS OF LAND IN FRONT OF ME. HOWEVER, THERE ARE A FEW PARCELS. I'M SORRY, A FEW PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE MULTIPLE PARCELS. YEAH. VACANT LOT. IT PRESUMABLY RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR THEIR HOME. WILL EACH ONE OF THOSE BRAD, WILL EACH ONE OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS BE NOTIFIED OF THE PUBLIC HEARING? BRAD. BRAD. YES, SIR. I'M SORRY. YEAH. NO. OKAY. I HAVE ONE QUICK ONE. ALSO FOLLOW
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UP. IT DOES REFERENCE IN THE RESOLUTION SCHEDULE A, WHICH IS THE. THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION FOR THE AREAS OF THE TOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE IT. WAS IT. OKAY. GOOD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. THANKS. I HAD ONE OTHER ONE IF I COULD. WITH RESPECT TO SEEKER, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TOWN PLANNERS. OH I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. YEAH. SO WITH RESPECT TO SEEKER AND THE AND THE WATERFRONT DISTRICT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN PLANNER, THE TOWN ENGINEER, FOR PURPOSES OF FILLING OUT THE EAF THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. WE DID RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE OR THE SHPO THAT WOULD LIKE A DESKTOP SURVEY, BECAUSE THE AREA MAY BE HIGHLY SENSITIVE FOR CULTURAL RESOURCES. I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THAT AREA, SINCE IT'S A WATER LINE REPLACEMENT, IS FULLY DISTURBED. SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY ISSUES THERE. BUT THAT WILL HAVE TO OCCUR. AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE ALL THAT, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU PRIOR TO THE TOWN, TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION BASED UPON THAT, EITHER FOLLOWING THE HEARING OR AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A POSITIVE OR A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. WE CAN SAY BASED UPON THE MATERIALS IN THE EAF, GIVEN THAT THIS IS A WATER LINE REPLACEMENT, AND IT'S SUCH A SMALL AREA THAT THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY ANY ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS IDENTIFIED, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'LL BE YOUR DETERMINATION. FOLLOWING YOUR REVIEW OF THE SECRET MATERIALS. THANK YOU. AND THEN I SEE ON THE AGENDA HERE, THERE'S ALSO THE REFUSE DISTRICT. SO THIS THE RESOLUTION BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD RIGHT NOW IS PURSUANT TO TOWN LAW SECTION 209 B, AND IT'S TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS TO COMPLETE A MAP, PLAN AND REPORT FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE REFUSE DISTRICT. THIS WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO A PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM. IT IS ESSENTIALLY AN APPROPRIATION TO GO OUT AND HAVE THESE MAPS, PLANS AND REPORTS CREATED FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. ONCE THE MAP IS FINISHED, I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY WANTED LIKE SAY, THERE'S A HOA OUT THERE THAT'S NOT INTO THE DISTRICT AND THEY WANT TO COME INTO THE DISTRICT BECAUSE IT MAY BE CHEAPER FOR THEM TO COME ON BOARD. DO WE JUST MAKE AN AMENDMENT AND EXTEND THE MAP? YOU COULD LATER THE TOWN BOARD CAN, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, ESTABLISH THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT AND POTENTIALLY AMEND THE MAP PLANS AND REPORTS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD REQUIRE MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL HEARING, DEPENDING ON WHEN THE AMENDMENT IS MADE. I WILL, HOWEVER, FLAG THIS AT THE AT THE OUTSET HERE SOME HOA.THERE'S SOME LEGAL PRECEDENT THAT ESTABLISHES WHATEVER IS IN THE BYLAWS OR THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF HOA THAT PROHIBITS THEM FROM ENTERING INTO SOME SORT OF SPECIAL DISTRICT ARRANGEMENT WITH THE TOWN MAY LEGALLY PREVENT THAT HOA FROM BEING INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT.
I WAS JUST SAYING IF THEY WANTED TO. I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, GOING UP THERE, SO SURE, I'D APPRECIATE IT. YEAH, THEY'D HAVE TO DO THEIR OWN HOMEWORK. YEAH. AND JUST TO FOLLOW MR. ROCCO'S STATEMENT, THE THERE WILL BE A SECOND HEARING. AND AS THIS PROCESS PROCEEDS FOR THE FORMATION OF THE REFUSE RECYCLING DISTRICT, THERE'S ONE EARLIER ON AT THIS PHASE, AND THEN THERE'S ONE LATER ON AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THAT PLAN REPORT, ETCETERA. SO THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE AT LEAST TWO OPPORTUNITIES IN ADDITION TO OTHER, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION AND EVERYTHING AVAILABLE THROUGH TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE, ETCETERA, AND ONLINE. THEY WILL ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR AT TWO DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE'LL HAVE SO THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT FOR THEM, ALTHOUGH UP UNTIL THIS POINT, OF COURSE, WHICH IS JUST A REFERENCING THE PRIOR REPORTS FROM THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE, THEY THERE'S BEEN OBVIOUSLY SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT FROM THE PUBLIC AND REQUESTS FOR THIS TO BE THIS PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED, MOVE FORWARD. MARK TWAIN SIR. DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF HOA? DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF HOAS WITHIN THE TOWN THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRECLUDED FROM PARTICIPATING IN THIS WITHOUT KNOWING THE BYLAWS OF HOA, I WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. SO HOW WOULD WE DETERMINE THAT THEY'RE PRECLUDED THEN? WOULD IT BE WHEN YOU CREATE THIS MAP, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE. I THINK THAT THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE WHETHER TO MAYBE INCLUDE THEM AT THE OUTSET OR NOT
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INCLUDE THEM AT THE OUTSET. OTHERWISE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO OR HAVE AN OPT OUT AS. HAVE AN OPT.OKAY. SO EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED UNTIL THEY NOTIFY US OTHERWISE, INCLUDING THE HOA THAT THEY THEY WANT TO OPT OUT. YES. YEAH. THE COMMITTEE HAD DISCUSSED THIS AT SOME LENGTH ACTUALLY. AND SO THE INITIAL THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER TO INCLUDE SOME OF THESE. AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES, SO TO SPEAK, THAT THEY COULD BE INCLUDED.
THEY TYPICALLY ENTAIL A PRIVATE ROAD SITUATION. AND THERE WAS CONCERN OF COURSE, BY THE ON THE PART OF THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT SUPERINTENDENT REGARDING THE ABILITY OF THE TRUCKS TO TRAVEL DOWN THOSE ROADS AND ETCETERA, ETCETERA. THE FEEDBACK FROM THE SUCCESSFUL BIDDER WAS THAT THEY DO NOT REALLY HAVE A CONCERN AND ARE HAPPY TO INCLUDE THEM WITH PROVISION OF THE SERVICE. AS LONG AS THERE'S A ROAD, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TO STATE SPECS. AS LONG AS THE PAVED ROAD IS. THEY CERTAINLY HAVE SOME CONCERN IF THE ROADS WOULD BE NON PAVED TYPE OF ROAD. BUT IN TERMS OF LEGAL ENTITIES IT MAY ENTAIL AN ACTUAL PRIVATE GROUP WHICH IS UNASSOCIATED. OR IT COULD BE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. TYPICALLY IT'S TYPE AFFILIATION. WE'VE ASKED THE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE IS THE COMMERCIAL WHO'S THE TOWN ASSESSOR TO STUDY THIS. AND SHE'S COME UP WITH A LIST OF EACH OF THESE GROUPS. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 15 TO 20 I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY 14. BUT BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF THESE GROUPS. AND SO WE CERTAINLY HAVE DISCUSSED IT. AND WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THEM. BUT BUT AS MR. VACCO HAS ADDRESSED AND HIGHLIGHTED, THIS ISSUE HAS TO BE RAISED. AND SO WE WOULD WE WOULD, WE WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD DO THEIR DILIGENCE AND ADVISE US IF THEY NEEDED TO. WELL, THEY COULD AMEND THEIR BYLAWS. AND ONE THING THEY COULD DO, THERE'S SUFFICIENT TIME BEFORE THE DISTRICT IS FORMED AND BEFORE WE LAUNCH IN THE EARLY PHASE OF NEXT YEAR SO THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY AMEND OR THEY COULD CHOOSE TO OPT OUT.
BUT THERE'S NO NO ONE IS REQUIRED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PROVIDED TO, IN ESSENCE, ANY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITH 1 TO 4 DWELLINGS. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT ANYBODY PARTICIPATE. ANY INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER, WHETHER PART OF A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION OR NOT, CAN OPT OUT BECAUSE WE CAN'T FORCE THEM TO PARTICIPATE. OBVIOUSLY, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT WAS TO PROVIDE A MUCH BETTER PRICE POINT FOR THE RESIDENTS AND RECEIVING REFUSE AND RECYCLING SERVICES COMPARED TO THE INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTING THAT THEY CURRENTLY DO. CAN WE GET A LIST OF THOSE 14 HOA'S SO THAT WHEN WE'RE CONTACTED BY RESIDENTS, WE'RE GIVING THE CORRECT INFORMATION? SURE. YEAH. GENERALLY THEY THEY WOULD HAVE THE PRETTY MUCH HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF IT. BUT YES, YES, WE COULD WE COULD PROVIDE THAT LIST AS THE ASSESSOR HAS IT. MR. MAHONEY HAS REACHED OUT TO US. SURE. ANYTHING FURTHER? NO. I'M GOOD, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, JOSH, YOU'RE UP.
HI. I'M TOM, FOR THE RECORD. JOSH ROGERS, TOWN PLANNER. TONIGHT, I HAVE, I THINK I HAVE 5 OR 6 ZONING CODE RESOLUTIONS BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD TONIGHT, AND I WANTED TO TAKE SOME TIME DURING THE WORK SESSION TO JUST GO OVER THOSE BEFORE YOU GUYS VOTE ON THEM, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOING OUT THROUGHOUT THE TOWN RIGHT NOW. SO I'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE, LOCAL LAW NUMBER THREE, THAT ADOPTION RESOLUTION, WE'VE ALREADY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ON ALL ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT THEY ENTAIL ARE AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE TWO 8317. THAT'S UNDER OUR ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. THAT ZONING CODE AMENDMENT IS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE THAT CODE, READS IS IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PULL A BUILDING PERMIT AFTER RECEIVING A VARIANCE AFTER SIX MONTHS, IT EXPIRES. OKAY. WHAT WHAT RESOLUTION IS THIS? 4.11 OKAY. COOL. SO I CAN JUST YEP. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. SO THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS THAT THOSE ENTAIL OUR CHANGING THAT SIX MONTH EXPIRATION FOR A VARIANCE TO 12 MONTHS BASED OFF A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO DEALS WITH A LOT OF ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, VARIANCE APPLICATIONS, AND THEN THE OTHER ZONING CODE AMENDMENT, THAT'S A PART OF THIS ADOPTION RESOLUTION IS IN OUR MU ONE ZONING CODE, WHICH I KNOW IS ON ONE OF THE PAGES OF THE HAMBURG SUN. AND I WANTED TO JUST QUICKLY TAKE SOME TIME TO CLARIFY. I KNOW THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THERE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT ZONING CODE AMENDMENT CONSISTS OF, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME BOLDING THAT
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TALKED ABOUT PARKING SPACES AND PARKING ENHANCEMENTS. SO RIGHT NOW IN OUR ONE ZONING DISTRICT, THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED MU ONE ONE IS ON THE WATERFRONT AND ONE THIS BOARD JUST APPROVED AT THE CORNER OF RALEIGH BOULEVARD FOR A GYM. WHAT WE NOTICED THROUGH MU ONE ZONING CODE AMENDMENT OR THROUGH THE ZONING DISTRICT, IS THAT SOME OF THE PARKING SETBACKS DON'T REALLY FIT THE CHARACTER OF WHAT THE MU ONE CODE WAS INTENDED ON, SO THAT CODE IS INTENDED ON HAVING A MAIN STREET STYLE CHARACTER, RIGHT? SO PULLING BUILDINGS TO THE FRONT, HAVING PARKING, BE BEHIND IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO AMEND IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT PROJECT THAT CAME BEFORE YOU GUYS AT RALEIGH BOULEVARD, PULLING THE BUILDING UP TO THE FRONT AND HAVING THE PARKING IN THE BACK ON A BEND LIKE THAT IS REALLY A SAFETY HAZARD. AND THE MU ONE ZONING CODE, OBVIOUSLY, IT COMES BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD. I WANT TO STRESS THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING SETBACKS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USES FOR MU ONE, THIS BOARD HAS FINAL SAY OVER IT. SO THIS ISN'T A RUBBER STAMP WHERE ANYONE THAT GOES TO MU ONE CAN JUST PARK WHEREVER THEY WANT OR HAVE WHATEVER TYPE OF USE EVERY TYPE OF MU. ONE ZONING AMENDMENT COMES TO THIS BOARD FIRST, AND THIS BOARD HAS FINAL SAY ON WHAT THAT PARKING LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE, WHAT USE IS GOING TO IT. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FROM THE ARTICLE THAT THIS BOARD HAS FINAL SAY OVER ANY TYPE OF SETBACK VARIANCES OR ANY TYPE OF SETBACKS THAT WE PUT IN THE CODE. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS CODE AMENDMENT IS FOR THIS ADOPTION RESOLUTION TONIGHT IS JUST SPECIFYING THAT IF DUE TO UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OF A SITE, KIND OF LIKE WHAT HAPPENED AT RALEIGH BOULEVARD, IF A USER IS NOT ABLE TO PUT PARKING ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK THAT THEY ARE, IF THEY CAN'T BRING THE BUILDING TO THE FRONT, THAT THIS BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS A PROJECT COMES BEFORE YOU. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS ARE ABOUT FOR THAT FIRST RESOLUTION. ANY QUESTIONS ON ALL THOSE. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. HOW OFTEN HOW OFTEN DO WE ACTUALLY NEED TO IF THEY'RE COMING FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL TO GET AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULES, HOW OFTEN IS IT THAT THEY GO BEYOND THE SIX MONTH MARK? SO IN THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE ON HERE, WE WOULD CHANGE THAT SIX MONTHS TO 12 MONTHS. AND YOU CAN GET A ONE TIME EXTENSION. RIGHT. SO THAT'S GOING TO PUT IT AT 18 MONTHS. BUT THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IS IF THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD TO ASK FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULES, HOW OFTEN DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THEM GO BEYOND THE SIX MONTHS WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR MORE TIME? I JUST I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT GIVING THEM SO MUCH TIME THAT THEY JUST FROM FROM TALKING WITH A HEADACHE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OF KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD. RIGHT. I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S PRETTY INFREQUENT. YEAH. BUT YEAH, THERE'S NOT MANY CASES WHERE IT DOES HAPPEN. AND USUALLY THERE'S CIRCUMSTANCES THAT DICTATE WHETHER THEY CAN'T GET MATERIALS, THEY CAN'T GET A CONTRACTOR. SO IT'S NOT TYPICALLY SOMEONE IS JUST DIDN'T GO AND GET THE PERMIT. RIGHT. SO BUT THAT'S NOT NOT VERY FREQUENT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT CODE REVIEW IS THAT WE ALSO LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP THINGS UNIFORM, CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE CODE. RIGHT NOW FOR OUR PLANNING BOARD, IF YOU DON'T PULL A BUILDING PERMIT AFTER GETTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL, YOU HAVE 12 MONTHS TO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT. SO WE JUST WANTED TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT BETWEEN OUR ZONING BOARD AND OUR PLANNING BOARD TO HAVE UNIFORMITY THAT IF YOU HAVE 12 MONTHS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, WE WANT TO GIVE 12 MONTHS FOR AN APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT IF THEY RECEIVE THE VARIANCE. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAN GIVING THEM MORE TIME TO JUST PERHAPS NOT DO SOMETHING THEY ALREADY ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO DO. SO. OKAY, OKAY, THE OTHER ZONING AMENDMENTS THAT YOU'LL SEE, OF COURSE. DO YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE VOTE FOR THIS? YES, I WOULD SAY YES. THANK YOU. I ASSUME SO, BUT I NEVER KNOW. SO. RIGHT. OF COURSE, THE OTHER LOCAL LAWS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE AGENDA TODAY, THEY SAY I THINK IT'S FOR WHICH ONE IS IT? BRAD FORD FIVE BECOMES FOUR. YEP. BECOMES FIVE.SO THOSE LOCAL LAW AMENDMENTS, ONE OF THEM IS CHAPTER 90, DEAD TREES. THAT AMENDMENT IS LITERALLY TAKING THE WORD OR ABANDONED FROM THE CODE AND JUST HAVING DEAD TREES. SO BECAUSE THERE'S NO DEFINITION FOR ABANDONED TREES, THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR DEAD TREES. SO JUST CLARIFYING THE LANGUAGE, CLEANING THAT UP. WE'VE HAD SOME SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PART OF THE CODE. SO WE WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE TOWN BOARD TO AMEND THAT. WHAT IS THAT NUMBER 12. YEP. AND THAT'LL BE LOCAL LAW NUMBER FOUR. JUST TO CLARIFY. LOCAL LOT NUMBER FOUR.
YEAH, THAT'LL BE LOCAL LAW NUMBER FOUR. YEP. AND THEN LOCAL LAW NUMBER FIVE. THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY AN IMPORTANT ONE. SO THAT ONE INVOLVES CHAPTER TWO 8015, ARTICLE FIVE OF OUR ZONING CODE THAT DEALS WITH YOUTH GROUPS. YOUTH GROUPS ARE A LIST OF PERMITTED USES ON IN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. AND THERE ARE HIERARCHICAL. SO IF YOU LOOK AT TWO 8015, YOU'LL SEE FOR EXAMPLE USE GROUP ONE. OUR USES PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO USE GROUP 14, WHICH OUR USES PERMITTED IN THE M3 DISTRICT. ONE THING THAT WE NOTICED AND NOT ONLY CODE REVIEW BUT JUST
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GOING THROUGH THE CODE, IS THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE ZONING CODE, SPECIFICALLY C1, R1, AND M1, THEY REFERENCE USE GROUPS. ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THAT IS THAT UNDER M1, ONE OF THE PERMITTED USES UNDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS THAT YOU CAN DO USES IN SITU, OR AT LEAST SOME USE GROUPS. IF YOU INTERPRETED IT A CERTAIN WAY, THAT WOULD THEN MEAN ONE OF THE ONE OF THE EXAMPLES ON THERE IS USE GROUP SIX FOR ACCEPTANCE IN M AND M1 WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THAT WOULD THEN MEAN, IF YOU INTERPRET IT THIS WAY, THAT YOU COULD DO R4 USES IN M1 DISTRICT, MEANING THAT YOU COULD DO WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YOU COULD PUT A MOBILE HOME COURT IN M1.THAT'S CURRENTLY HOW THIS ZONING CODE READS. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A HUGE LOOPHOLE THAT WE WANTED TO CLEAN UP AND THAT WE WANTED TO CLOSE. USE GROUPS ARE ALSO AN OUTDATED KIND OF WAY OF PUTTING THINGS INTO YOUR ZONING CODE. WE HAVE PERMITTED USES. WE LIST OUT USES IN OUR ZONING CODE.
PERMITTED USES, I MEAN, USE GROUPS HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1998, SO IT'S BEEN ALMOST 27 YEARS SINCE IT WAS LAST UPDATED. IT SERVES NO PURPOSE ANYMORE. WE LIST OUT PERMITTED USES IN OUR ZONING DISTRICTS. SO THE AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ELIMINATING TWO 8015 IN ITS ENTIRETY, GETTING RID OF USE GROUPS. WHAT WOULD THAT WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN THEN IS THAT IN OUR ZONING DISTRICTS, INSTEAD OF LISTING USE GROUPS, WE WOULD JUST LIST THE PERMITTED USES LIKE WE TYPICALLY DO. BUT INSTEAD OF SAYING WHATEVER USE GROUP IS IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, WE JUST CALL OUT WHAT USES WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE IN R1.
R1 HAS SOME USES. IF YOU LOOK AT R1 UNDER TWO 8031, ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL USES ARE IN R1. YOU CAN DO USES IN THE RI DISTRICT VERSUS RESIDENTIAL ESTATE, EXCEPT USE GROUPS FOUR AND FIVE.
WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD TAKE OUT WHERE IT SAYS, EXCEPT USE GROUPS FOUR AND FIVE, AND WE WOULD LIST OUT PRINCIPAL USES AND STRUCTURES IN THE R2 AND R3 DISTRICT. SO IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THAT YOU CAN DO USES IN R2 AND R3. IT DOESN'T REFERENCE THOSE USE GROUPS.
WE'RE GETTING RID OF IT BECAUSE THAT THAT WAY OF CALLING OUT PERMITTED USES IS OUTDATED. AND IT IT OPENS UP LOOPHOLES FOR US WHERE IF PEOPLE INTERPRETED A CERTAIN WAY, THEY'RE ABLE TO DO USES IN ZONING DISTRICTS, THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY INTENTION OF ALLOWING THOSE USES. SO ESSENTIALLY THIS CODE IS JUST TRYING TO CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE, TRYING TO MODERNIZE OUR ZONING CODE. WE ALREADY CALL OUT PERMITTED USES, BUT WE WANT TO SPECIFY WHAT THOSE USES ARE INSTEAD OF REFERENCING BACK TO SOMETHING THAT'S 27 YEARS OLD. EXCUSE ME, JOSH, ON THE ON PAGE 37, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CUTTING AND REMOVAL OF DEAD TREES WAS ADDED TO THIS LOCAL LAW, AS WELL AS A PART OF THE ATTACHMENT. WE CAN JUST REMOVE THAT. JUST REMOVE THAT. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. SO JOSH THIS PROVIDES CLARIFICATION BOTH FOR APPLICANTS AND FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AND EVERYONE DEALING WITH ANYTHING RELATED TO THE PROCESS FOR AN APPLICANT.
THAT IS CORRECT. WAS THE INTENT ALL ALONG? THAT IS CORRECT. SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY AMBIGUITIES? YEP. THANK YOU. AND THEN AND M1 AND I'M IN THE VILLAGE OF THING OR NOT TOO FAR FROM A CHURCH. CAN I OPEN A BAR IN THERE OR IS IT M1. YEAH. DEPENDING ON SO HOW IT READS RIGHT NOW WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU COULD DO SOME COMMERCIAL USES IN THE M1 ZONE.
YES. SO WHAT THIS WOULD BE DOING WOULD BE CLOSING THAT LOOPHOLE. AND ALL PERMITTED USES WOULD BE LISTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT INSTEAD OF GOING BACK TO THOSE USE GROUPS WHICH POINT TO OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE'RE CLOSING THAT LOOPHOLE OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. AND THEN THE LAST LOCAL LAW IS GOING TO BE NUMBER FIVE ON YOUR GUYS'S LIST. IT SAYS NUMBER SIX. I DO RECOMMEND THAT. I DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THAT ONE FOR SURE. FOR THE REASONS FOR THE FOR THE REASONS I JUST LISTED. YEP. AND THEN LOCAL LAW NUMBER SIX, YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT BRAD. OKAY. THE ONE THAT'S NUMBER SIX. THAT'S GOING TO BE NUMBER FIVE, 413 PAGE. SAYS. OH THAT'S THE ONE I JUST TALKED ABOUT. OH. SO I WENT THROUGH THEM ALL. SO YEAH THOSE ARE ALL THE ONES. OH THE LAST ONE I WANT TO GO OVER IS UCO. YOU'LL SEE A RESOLUTION ABOUT R3 AND NC EXTENDING A PAUSE ON REZONINGS FOR THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. AND I QUICKLY JUST WANTED TO TOUCH UPON THAT REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE IT'LL BE ON YOUR GUYS'S LIST OF RESOLUTIONS. SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE DID THAT. RESOLUTION IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, GIVING US SIX MONTHS TO LOOK AT OUR CODES.
AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'RE DOING A TON OF ZONING CODE CHANGES ALL THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, AND WE TOOK SOME TIME. WE'RE CONTINUING TO UPDATE THOSE CODES, AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF PROGRESS. WE'RE ACTUALLY AMENDING SOME THINGS IN NC AND IN R3. BUT I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK
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ABOUT WHERE MULTIFAMILY CURRENTLY EXISTS. I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS AN ACTUAL MAP. SO AND I'LL PASS THIS TO YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT LIKE DORA THE EXPLORER, EVERYTHING. WHEN YOU GET THIS, EVERYTHING IN ORANGE AND GREEN. ORANGE IS R3, GREEN IS NC. THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WHERE YOU CAN DO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS OF RIGHT, MEANING THAT YOU DON'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YOU DON'T GOT TO COME TO THE TOWN BOARD. YOU CAN APPLY BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND DO A MULTIFAMILY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN PUD, PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND THE MU1 ZONE, WHERE YOU CAN ALSO DO MULTIFAMILY. TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE PROJECTS, YOU HAVE TO GET TOWN BOARD APPROVAL, MEANING THAT IT DOESN'T GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD, IT DOESN'T GO TO ANY OTHER BOARD. YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE TOWN BOARD. THE TOWN BOARD SETS THE PARAMETERS, THE TOWN BOARD SETS. IF YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD WANTS TO ACCEPT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WHAT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE, THE PLAN FOR IT SETS THE DENSITY, ALL OF THAT. IF YOU GUYS LOOK, THERE'S NOT A TON OF ORANGE OR GREEN LEFT AND A LOT OF ORANGE FOR CONTEXT ARE. FOR EXAMPLE, HILBERT IS ZONED R3. SAINT FRANCIS HIGH SCHOOL IS ZONED R3.RIGHT NOW. WE KNOW THE ERIE COUNTY SOUTH CAMPUS IS ON R3, BUT IT'S GOING THROUGH ZONING GRANT, WHICH THERE MIGHT BE SOME ZONING CHANGES. THERE ARE SOME R3 PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY WETLANDS. SO IF YOU REALLY GET DOWN INTO THE GRID OF IT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF R3 OR NC LEFT TO EVEN BE DEVELOPED IN THE TOWN. AND I LIKE TO DO MAPS BECAUSE I THINK THEY PROVIDE A VISUAL OF WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S X AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED THIS OR ZONE THAT, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A MAP, I THINK THAT HELPS KIND OF CONCEPTUALIZE WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WHEN WE'RE UPDATING OUR WE'RE UPDATING OUR ZONING CODES, AND WE'RE UPDATING A LIST OF OUR, YOU KNOW, DESIGN REQUIREMENTS WHEN WE'RE UPDATING OUR PERMITTED USES TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, THAT WE'RE PUTTING SOME OF THESE THINGS IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT SOME OF OUR ZONING CODES AND LOOK AT WHERE WE WANT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, IF WE WANT IT AT ALL, AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE, WHERE IT WILL GO, WHERE WE CAN SET SOME PARAMETERS FOR IT. SO THIS MAP IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, I THINK, OF SHOWING WHERE WE ARE IN THE TOWN RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU GUYS JUST TO HAVE A HOUSE RIGHT THERE. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. OF COURSE, THAT'S FOR YOU PUTTING ANOTHER PAUSE ON THIS. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT OR IS THIS JUST AN EXTENSION? WE DO NOT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A MORATORIUM. THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO HAVE US UPDATE OUR ZONING CODES, TO LOOK AT R3 AND NC, TO LOOK AT THE PARAMETERS FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN. OKAY. CAN YOU AGREE? YEAH. THANK YOU AGAIN. JUST AND THOSE WERE THOSE WERE ALL MY ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE THINGS I KNOW I KIND OF WENT KIND OF FAST. BUT ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE THINGS THAT I PRESENTED BEFORE YOU GUYS, WHAT WAS THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? THAT ONE IS FOR 13. NO, THAT BRAD, DO YOU HAVE FOR NC AND R3? WHAT NUMBER THAT IS ON THE. DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S THE LAST ONE OF THE. YEAH OF THE LAST ONE OF THE. YEP YEP FOR THREE. AND YOU RECOMMEND THAT AS WELL I DO. NC THREE REZONING. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY I THINK THEY KNOW THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. VERY DIFFERENT POSITION. ALL RIGHT. AND WITH THAT THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR YOU GUYS. UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANKS. APPRECIATE IT. YOU'RE VERY SUCCINCT COMMUNICATOR. OH I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU GET TO THE POINT I LIKE HOW YOU MAKE PRESENTATIONS. THANK YOU. YEAH THAT WAS A BIRD I'VE SEEN IT ON. OKAY, JEFF.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, TOM BOARD FOR SEEING ME. JEFFREY SKRIPEK, SUPERVISING CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL. JUST HAVE ONE THING TO KIND OF GO OVER. I JUST WANT TO GET THE FEELING FROM THE BOARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IS WHEN WE GO OUT ON SOME OF OUR FIRE CALLS, WE GET TO A POINT WHERE THE HOUSE HAS TO COME DOWN PRETTY MUCH IMMEDIATELY DUE TO IMMINENT DANGER OF COLLAPSE.
WE'VE HAD THIS A COUPLE TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, ONE RECENTLY ON WEST LANE. THE TWO HOUSES ACTUALLY ON WEST LANE. AND IT COMES DOWN TO THAT AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A DEDICATED EMERGENCY DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR LISTED. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN THE TOWN SO THAT IF ANYBODY EVER
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COMES BACK AND SAYS, WELL, WHY DID YOU CALL SO AND SO? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE IT SO THAT THEY ARE LISTED AS OUR EMERGENCY DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR, NOT THE CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD TAKE DOWN A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN DILAPIDATED AND IS GOING TO COME DOWN FOR DEMO DUE TO LIKE OUR CHAPTER 80 CODE. OVER TIME THAT GOES OUT TO BID AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS FOR THE TIME, LIKE AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING WHEN THIS HAS TO COME DOWN, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO LIKE KIND OF SEND OUT SOMETHING WHERE COMPANIES WANT TO BE ON THE LIST? SO MAYBE WE COULD USE A WHEEL? SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE COMPANY GETTING. SO RIGHT NOW I KNOW THE DISPATCH DEPARTMENT FOR, SAY, BOARD UPS FOR A HOUSE FIRE WHERE THEY JUST HAVE TO BOARD UP A COUPLE WINDOWS OR ROOF OR DOOR. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT THEY WILL ROTATE THROUGH AND DO THAT. I WOULD BE FINE WITH, WITH HAVING MORE THAN ONE, AS LONG AS THEY CAN MEET THE PARAMETERS OF HAVING A, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY AND THEY'RE LOADED AND READY TO GO WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. I'D BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT SUCH A RESOLUTION. COULD YOU WRITE SOMETHING UP FOR US AS FAR AS WHAT YOU RECOMMEND AND RUN THROUGH LEGAL? AND THEN WE'LL DO THAT AGAIN WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER WAGON? ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T WANT EITHER BECAUSE I, I WANTED THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WAS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN PROBABLY THE LAST TWO THAT WE DID, AND I WAS BRAND NEW ON THE FIRST ONE. AND IT JUST IT DID WHAT IT WAS. I MEAN, I REMEMBER CALLING TIM WILLARD, LIKE AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING, 3:00 IN THE MORNING AND HAVING TO SAY, I'M ALL RIGHT, BUT I NEED HELP, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO I DO? YOU KNOW, HERE AND THERE AND WE KIND OF WORKED IT OUT. AND THEN THIS LAST ONE, I MEAN, I JUST KIND OF HAD A NUMBER WHO TO CALL, WHO HAD TO BE DONE, AND WE JUST HAD TO DO IT. BUT IT WOULD BE VERY NICE JUST TO HAVE IT IN CASE I'M NOT THERE, THAT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF A NUMBER, A COUPLE OF THEM. SO I WOULD GLADLY DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. I JUST WANT TO KIND OF JUST GET A FEELING FOR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE BEFORE STARTING THIS. I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. THANKS FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW I TALKED A COUPLE OF MINUTES THE LAST TIME. I WON'T GET A TON INTO THIS RIGHT NOW ABOUT THAT LIVE FIRE PROGRAM. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AND THEY WANT TO REACH OUT, I WOULD GLADLY. I'D LIKE TO TALK AND JUST KIND OF SHOW OF HOW THAT WOULD HELP OUR TOWN AND OUR DEPARTMENT BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND THEN I'M GOING TO GET ON TO THE AUGUST MEETING FOR THAT. DO WE HAVE LIKE A COST AND ANALYSIS AND AN ANNUAL FEE OR SOMETHING THAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT? SO, YOU KNOW, SO I DO I MEAN TO THE TOWN IT WOULD BE A $0. IT WAS IT WAS UP TO THE WHEN THE FIRE SYSTEM TESTS WERE BEING COMPLETED. AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED. THEN THEY WOULD BE CHARGED. THE CONTRACTOR THAT DID THOSE FIRE SYSTEM TESTS WOULD BE CHARGED LIKE $18 TO SUBMIT THAT TEST, UNLESS IT WAS FOR FIRE EXTINGUISHERS. AND THEN THAT WAS ONLY A $5 FEE. AND THEN THAT WOULD FUND OUR THAT THEY WOULD OFFER US A FULL FIRE INSPECTION PROGRAM FOR OUR DEPARTMENT TO USE ALONG WITH US, WHICH I MEAN, LIKE GOING THROUGH OTHER PERMITTING COMPANIES. I MEAN, THEIR FIRE INSPECTION PROGRAMS ARE ABOUT 5000 A YEAR, SO THAT WOULD BE A $5,000 A YEAR SAVINGS TOWARDS THE TOWN AND THEN GET EVERYTHING ON BOARD. AND WITH THAT, THAT COMPANY GOING THROUGH. AND IF A CONTRACTOR GOES THROUGH AND DOES A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM FOR, YOU KNOW, SAY A BUSINESS NEXT DOOR TOPS, IF THERE'S A NEW CONTACT INFO FOR THE PERSON OVER THERE, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY MARK THAT DOWN. THAT WOULD GET TO US SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE CURRENT, WE WOULD HAVE MORE CURRENT INFORMATION FOR OUR OUR DEPARTMENT ALSO DOING OUR INSPECTIONS. AND YOU SAID THIS COMPANY IS IN A FEW OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT NEW YORK, FEW OTHER PLACES IN NEW YORK. I LOOKED AT TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES. ONE WAS BRYCE OR THE COMPLIANCE ENGINE. THEY CHARGED A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEY DID NOT OFFER A FIRE INSPECTION SYSTEM FOR US. THE ONE THAT I DID LIKE A LITTLE BETTER WAS CALLED LIVE. THEY'RE IN A THEY'RE JUST GETTING INTO NEW YORK STATE, BUT THEY OFFER A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER ON THE CONTRACTOR. I HAVE TALKED TO DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, AND I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BAD ABOUT EITHER ONE. THE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WE COULD TALK TO YOU FOR HOURS AND WE LOVE THEM BOTH. IS THIS SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO BID OUT, KEN? WELL, WE DO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH PROCUREMENT POLICIES, AND SO IT WOULD HINGE ON A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS, INCLUDING THE AVERAGE OR THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST OR THE ACTUAL ANNUAL COST ONCE WE HAVE IT UP AND RUNNING. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A SOFTWARE COMPONENT REPORTING COMPONENT, WHICH IS HELPFUL FOR YOU, BUT I'D ENSURE THAT WAS ON ALL OF THEM. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT? THAT WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WE WOULD WANT, WOULD BE THE ONE THAT HAD THAT THAT COMPONENT TO IT. PROBABLY THE BEST APPROACH. AND WE'RE NOT SURE ON THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A DIRECT COST TO THE TOWN ON THE PART OF IT REGARDING THE INSPECTIONS, BUT THERE'S A COST IMPOSED UPON THE HOMEOWNER OR THE BUSINESS OWNER, BUSINESS OR BUSINESS OWNER. AND SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT PROBABLY BEST TO DO I[00:40:04]
MEAN, IN ESSENCE, WE'VE YOU FOLLOWED EVEN DOING YOUR ADVANCE DILIGENCE HERE. YOU'VE FOLLOWED THE APPROACH OF VETTING SOME DIFFERENT POSSIBLE SUPPLIERS OR PROVIDERS, RATHER. AND THERE'S NOT THAT MANY, OF COURSE, IT'S A SMALL NUMBER, BUT PROBABLY BEST TO CONTINUE IN THAT APPROACH.AND STYLE VERY SIMPLY. JUST. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION ALREADY SAY WE WANT THE SOFTWARE PROGRAM, WE WANT THE INSPECTIONS. AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS. SO IT'S VERY SIMPLE REQUIREMENTS. AND TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS I VETTED AND THERE'S ONLY THREE PROVIDERS. AND THIS ONE PROVIDES THE LOWEST COST. OR THIS IS SOME OTHER REASON WHY THIS IS THIS COMPANY HAS LOWEST COST BUT THEY NEVER OPERATE IN NEW YORK. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE SECOND BEST COST BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT COMPRISE THE SERVICE IN NEW YORK, SOMETHING THAT EFFECT. BUT YEAH, AS LONG AS WE COMPLY WITH PROCUREMENT OKAY. YEAH. I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR AGAIN KIND OF THE THOUGHTS OF THE BOARD FOR THAT OR FEELINGS. FEELINGS.
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME, BUT OKAY. CAN YOU GIVE ME THE NAME OF A FEW MUNICIPALITIES IN NEW YORK STATE THAT ARE CURRENTLY USING THE LIVE SYSTEM, SO WE CAN REACH OUT AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEIR. YES, I CAN, THANK YOU. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. JEFF, ONE OTHER QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THE SOFTWARE PROGRAM COSTS YET. WE HAVE THAT COST ALREADY. THE COST OF THE FIRE SOFTWARE SURE. BUT NOTHING TO THE TOWN. OH NO THERE'S NO IT'S ALL BASED ON ON THE COST TO THE TO THE CONTRACTOR DOING THE FIRE SYSTEM TESTS NOTHING TO THE TOWN FROM BOTH COMPANIES. GOT IT. SO WHETHER REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT HAS A SOFTWARE PLATFORM FOR, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THOSE REPORTS, ETC. FOR YOU, THERE'S NO COST EITHER WAY. IT'S DONE. CORRECT.
BOTH OF THEM WOULD WOULD, WOULD KEEP THE REPORTS FROM THE THIRD PARTY COMPANIES, BUT THE ONE JUST OFFERS US PROGRAM FOR OUR ANNUAL AND TRIANNUAL INSPECTIONS THAT WOULD TIE INTO THE THIRD PARTIES, AND WE'D BE ABLE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ALL OF THEIR THIRD PARTIES BEFORE WE GO OUT THERE.
A LOT OF TIMES NOW WE GO OUT AND WILL. YOUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM HASN'T BEEN TESTED YET. YOU HAVE TO GET THAT TESTED AND WE'RE GOING BACK AND OR YOUR FIRE EXTINGUISHER. SO THIS SHOULD HELP SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME KNOWING THAT BEFOREHAND IS WHAT MY HOPE IS. ALSO, JEFF, CAN YOU ALSO REACH OUT TO LIVE AND ASK WHAT HAPPENS? SAY WE SIGN A CONTRACT FOR THREE YEARS AND AT THE END OF THREE YEARS WE GO WITH SOMEBODY ELSE? LIKE, HOW DO WE ACCESS THAT INFORMATION? IF SOMEBODY HAD JUST DONE A FIRE INSPECTION, ARE WE NO LONGER PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION? AND THAT PERSON'S GOING TO HAVE TO REDO THEIR FIRE INSPECTION IF WE SWITCH? SURE. I KNOW BOTH COMPANIES. I DID ASK THEM THAT. AND THEY BOTH SAID THAT YOUR INFORMATION IS YOUR DATA. YOU CAN HAVE THAT AT ANY POINT IN TIME YOU WANT, AND IT'S YOURS TO KEEP IT WITH YOU. SO YEAH, THEY DO NOT KEEP IT ONCE WE LEAVE THE CONTRACT WITH THEM. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT. IS SOMETHING IN WRITING OKAY. NO MATTER WHAT. YEP. AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE CONTRACT. I DIDN'T READ THE CONTRACT PROPERLY. FULLY FOR THAT. PROBABLY GOOD TO JUST CONFIRM THAT WITH THE IT DEPARTMENT THAT THAT WE CAN WHAT THEY GIVE US IS TRANSFERABLE TO OUR SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN THE TOWN. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. I JUST KIND OF WANTED THE, THE NO. I HAD TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND WHAT WHAT I NEED. SO THAT SOUNDS GOOD I APPRECIATE THANK YOU. THANK YOU JEFF. THANK YOU. JOSH YOU RECOMMEND WE GO WITH THAT. OKAY. AND THE NEXT COMMENT IS ABOUT THE SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 24TH. AND IT'S AT 5:00. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN MAKE THAT. YES. FRANK. WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE OPENING OF THE BID ON THE SENIOR CENTER AWARD? THE CONTRACT AWARD TO AWARD THE CONTRACT. OKAY. SO WHAT WHAT IS IT HAVE TO BE THAT DAY AND NOT ME? I THINK, CAM, YOU PROBABLY CAN TALK ABOUT THE TIMELINE BETTER. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I MEAN. I DON'T I HAVEN'T DECIDED TO EVEN, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE TO BOND IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO. BUT I DO HAVE OTHER PLANS THAT DAY. I'VE MADE PLANS BASED ON OUR SCHEDULE. YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH IT? YEAH. OKAY. SO BASED ON THE BID OPENING BEING THE 23RD, THE SOONER WE CAN GET AWARDS, THE SOONER THOSE COMPANIES CAN GET THEIR BONDS AND INSURANCE TOGETHER TO GET THEM INTO THE TOWN FOR REVIEW BY BOTH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND OUR BOND AGENT, THEN WE CAN GET CONTRACTS FULLY SIGNED AND EXECUTED, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT CERTAIN SHOP DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS FOR APPROVAL BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN START ORDERING IT. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND WE HAVE TO BOND IT. CORRECT? WE DO. WE HAVEN'T AGREED ON WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO EVEN DO THAT.
CORRECT. I THINK WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER FOR THE BOARD. THAT'S A LITTLE MORE A QUESTION FOR PAT, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT THEY THEY'VE STARTED PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND PRESENT THE BONDING. RIGHT. BUT I MEAN,
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WE I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN NOT A FINAL APPROVAL. WE HAVEN'T 100% COMMITTED TO THIS. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE WITH NO. AND BUT SWORD WOULD ENTER US INTO THE PROCESS OF CONTRACTING WITH THESE COMPANIES AND THEREFORE COMMITTING TO PAY THEM DOWN THE ROAD. OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T REQUEST PAYMENT RIGHT AWAY. THEY HAVE TO EITHER HAVE MATERIALS ON SITE OR BE DOING WORK BEFORE WE CONSIDER ANY PAYMENT, AND WE HAVE TO GET A COST BEFORE WE CAN BOND SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE PAYING. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOME PREFERENCE ON THIS BOARD FOR THIS PROJECT TO GO FORWARD AND PUT SOME TIME INTO IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AND I THINK THIS IS NOT THAT YOU'RE THE ENGINEER, BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THE NIKE BASE. AND I HEAR A LOT OF INPUT FROM A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE A BETTER LOCATION. AND SO I KNOW, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WEST SENECA HAS NOW PUT FORTH TO THEIR VOTERS TO BUILD A DUAL RINK COMPLEX THAT'S A COMMUNITY CENTER. AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE BIG RUSH IS. AND I THINK THAT AS A BOARD, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THIS, THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE AT A REGULAR BOARD MEETING BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG PROJECT. THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE AUGUST 4TH. RIGHT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF A WEEK. SO I AM AGAINST IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN MORE TRANSPARENCY. AND ON THE PERSONAL LEVEL, I MADE PLANS, BUT I SOMETIMES I FEEL TO BE COMPLETELY CANDID WITH MY COLLEAGUES. IF SOMEONE WANTS SOMETHING, THEY, THEY, THEY PUT A LIKE IT'S A RUSH. LIKE WE HAVE TO DO IT NOW. LIKE BUY IT NOW, LIKE BEFORE. LIKE IT'S YOUR LAST CHANCE, LIKE LIKE A SALESMAN. AND FOR ME, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG DEAL FOR THE TOWN. WE HAVE REGULARLY SCHEDULED BOARD MEETINGS THAT THIS SHOULD BE DONE AT A REGULARLY SCHEDULED BOARD MEETINGS. AND I DON'T THINK ONE WEEK'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT IT OUT FOR VOTE FOR THE CITIZENS, NOT NOT JUST BEFORE THE BOARD LIKE WEST SENECA IS DOING, TO HAVE DEMOCRACY WORK AND HAVE THE VOTERS DECIDE, BECAUSE WE HAVE BUDGET DOWN THE LINE, WE RAISE TAXES. I VOTED AGAINST IT LAST, LAST BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE BEEN USING A LOT OF ARPA MONEY FOR THESE PROJECTS, WHICH WHICH IS COVID 19 MONEY. AND THAT MONEY IS GOING TO DRY UP. AND WE HAVE SOME UNION CONTRACTS AND THINGS.AND I LOOK AT THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD, AND I HAVE SOME TO QUOTE THE PREVIOUS TOWN SUPERVISOR, ONE OF HIS FAVORITE THINGS TO SAY IS I HAVE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS, AS MISTER HOKE WOULD SAY, BUT I DO. I HAVE SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT THE EXPENDITURES OF OUR TOWN. SO ON THE QUESTION, I'M ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO HAVING A SPECIAL BOARD MEETING ONE WEEK EARLIER FOR THIS SUBJECT. I THINK FOR THE CITIZENS, WE OWE IT TO THEM TO PUT THIS AT A REGULAR MEETING THAT THEY THEY KNOW OUR MEETINGS ARE PUT OUT A YEAR IN ADVANCE, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT MUCH OF AN EMERGENCY TO DO IT IN ONE WEEK THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE AT AN AUGUST MEETING. SO I'M AGAINST A SPECIAL MEETING. I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE TAXPAYERS TO PUT IT ON A REGULAR AGENDA. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S MY VIEW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I PERSONALLY COULD CARE LESS IF WE HAVE IT AT A SPECIAL MEETING OR IN AUGUST, BUT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND BEFORE I TOOK THE SEAT THAT WHEN THEY LOST THE SENIOR CENTER WHERE IT'S AT NOW WITH THE FRONTIER SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR A PLACE. WE'VE WE'VE HIRED REAL ESTATE AGENTS.
WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PLACES. UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THE SIZE AND SCOPE AND THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES THE TOWN ALREADY OWNS, AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SAVING MONEY, YOU'D HAVE TO SPEND AT LEAST $1 MILLION TO BUY THE PROPERTY. THEN ON TOP OF BUILDING THE FACILITY, THIS IS TOWN OWNED PROPERTY. I MEAN, IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE. MY WIFE DOESN'T LIKE IT. THE FEW OTHER MY FRIENDS DON'T LIKE IT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND IT'S THE THING THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE TOWN AS FAR AS FINANCIAL REASONS. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? SOMETIMES THERE'S THERE THERE IS A SAYING AND I AND I RESPECT YOUR VIEWPOINT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ON THIS IS THAT YOU GET YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. RIGHT. AND SO THIS IS A GENERATIONAL PROJECT THAT GOES WELL BEYOND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD TODAY. BY THE TIME IT'S BUILT, MY KIDS ARE IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I DON'T KNOW, THEY MIGHT
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BE IN HIGH SCHOOL. THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS. BUT I SAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS. LOOK AT HOW LONG THE NIKE BASE HAS BEEN THERE. AND THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT THAT I GET IT FROM CITIZENS ALL THE TIME, THEY'RE LIKE, YOU BLEW IT ON THE BOARD, YOU BLEW IT. AND THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE. WE SERVE THE CITIZENS AND WHAT THE CITIZENS TELL ME, AND LEAST THEY MAY TELL MY COLLEAGUES DIFFERENTLY, BUT THE ONES THAT TALK TO ME ARE SAYING, WHY DON'T YOU PUT THIS IN A BETTER LOCATION? THE PEOPLE LIKE THE CURRENT LOCATION WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT THE NIKE BASE, YOU KNOW, MY SON PLAYS SOCCER THERE. IT'S GREAT. MY DAUGHTER PLAYS SOCCER AND LACROSSE THERE. I PLAYED HOCKEY THERE. KIDS PLAY HOCKEY THERE. IT'S FINE. BUT WHEN WE WANT TO DO THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S AT THE FAR SOUTH PART OF THE TOWN IN LAKEVIEW. SO IF YOU'RE IN IN BLAISDELL OR YOU'RE IN WOODLAWN, IT IS PROBABLY QUICKER TO GO TO A COMMUNITY CENTER IN BUFFALO OR LACKAWANNA THAN IT IS TO GO ALL THE WAY TO LAKEVIEW. IT TAKES ABOUT 20 MINUTES. AND FROM WOODLAWN OR BLAISDELL, IT'S A TEN MINUTES TO DOWNTOWN BUFFALO TO GO TO THE SWIMMING POOL AT ECC, WHERE THE FLICKINGER CENTER. SO I THINK IT'S A IT'S A DISSERVICE OF THIS BOARD TO RUSH INTO THIS FIRST IN THE SPECIAL MEETING, WHICH I THINK BECAUSE I'VE HEARD. WHY DO YOU HAVE THESE SPECIAL MEETINGS? THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE EMERGENCIES, NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU YOU'RE TRYING TO RUSH SOMETHING THROUGH. SO FOR THE SAKE OF THE PROCESS, FOR THE SAKE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND WHAT THE VOTERS TELL ME, BECAUSE I THE WAY I LOOK AT THIS AND THE WAY I'M TRYING TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE, IS I TRY TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT I TALK TO, AND THAT'S MY JOB IS TO BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE. WE DON'T GET PAID A TON OF MONEY TO DO THIS, AND I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS REPRESENT WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. AND WE'RE SPENDING THEIR MONEY. IT'S NOT MY MONEY, IT'S THEIR MONEY. AND WE SHOULD DO IT CAREFULLY AND NOT JUST HAVE A KNEE JERK RESPONSE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A DOZEN PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE BOARD MEETINGS AND SAY THE SKY IS FALLING BECAUSE THE SENIOR CENTER, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO CLOSE. I LOOK AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BIG TIME FUTURE THAT WE COULD MAKE THIS A GREAT COMMUNITY CENTER WITH AMTRAK, WITH WITH INDOOR KIDS, DRIVE TO SALONS, WITH INDOOR SOCCER FACILITIES, WITH A LOT OF THINGS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE, NOT JUST SENIORS. AS MY COLLEAGUE MEGAN COMERFORD HAS SAID, A MULTI-GENERATIONAL CENTER DOESN'T WANT TO CALL IT A SENIOR CENTER. I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW, TO USE A CLICHE, WE PUT A BAND AID ON ON WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE SENIOR CENTER WHERE WE'RE AT ECC, AND WE DO SOMETHING THAT'S SIGNIFICANT FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN, THAT'S CENTRALLY LOCATED AND THAT'S AND THAT'S MY OPINION. BUT I'M JUST ONE VOTE OUT OF OUT OF FIVE PEOPLE I KNOW. I HAVE COLLEAGUES THAT DISAGREE AND BELIEVE MAYBE BECAUSE THEY PUT WORK INTO IT, THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO IT THAT MAYBE THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO THE FOREST THEY CAN'T SEE THE TREES OR THE BIGGER PICTURE. THAT'S MY OPINION. NOW, I'VE TRIED TO STEP BACK AT THIS AND I, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A SPECIAL MEETING. I'M AGAINST IT. AND I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHATEVER WE DO, WE SHOULD PUT IT UP FOR REFERENDUM. I THINK THE ONE THING THAT WE ALL AGREE ON IS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR OUR TOWN, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER AS A TEAM ALL ALONG THE WAY AND AT MANY, MANY JUNCTURES OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS, WE'VE HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS AS WE GO FORWARD AT EACH STEP IN THIS PROCESS. SO THIS IS NOT A NEW DECISION. THERE WERE MANY POINTS AT WHICH WE HAD TO MAKE DECISIONS ALL ALONG THE WAY. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT POSSIBLE LOCATIONS, AND WE MADE THAT DECISION AND THEN MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP. SO IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN WE'VE MADE A SERIES OF DECISIONS THAT NARROWED US IN AND POINTED US IN ONE DIRECTION TO THEN IN THE VERY LAST STAGES, TO THEN WANT TO SECOND GUESS THAT AND THINK, WELL, I HAD A FEW MORE POINTS. I WAS GOING TO TRY TO GO AHEAD. PLEASE DO SO. LIKE WITH ALL DECISIONS, IT'S A BALANCING ACT.AND THIS IS THIS DECISION IS THE SAME AS MANY OF THE DIFFICULT, CHALLENGING DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE. AND I THINK THAT YOU CAN TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE VERY DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW. AND THAT'S FREQUENTLY WHAT WE SEE IN A CHALLENGING DECISION. SO THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LOCATION, AND THEN THERE'S BEEN MANY, MANY PEOPLE WHO WE'VE SPOKEN TO WHO ARE THRILLED ABOUT THE LOCATION.
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SO YOU'RE NEVER YOU'RE GOING TO GET THOSE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. BUT WE WEIGHED ALL OF THAT AS A FIVE MEMBER BOARD AT EACH JUNCTURE ALONG THE WAY AND MADE THOSE CHOICES BEFORE WE ADVANCED TO THE NEXT STEP. AND THIS IS JUST THE NEXT STEP IN THAT PROGRESSION. SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE VOICED BY STAFF, INCLUDING OUR DIRECTOR OF YOUTH REC AND SENIOR SERVICES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THEY SPOKE VERY LOUDLY, WAS MAKING SURE THAT WE DID HAVE A PLAN AND A PLAN IN PLACE, THAT WE WERE SHOWING EVIDENCE THAT WE WERE MAKING GOOD FAITH ADVANCEMENT ON. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD, BUT IT'S ALWAYS AS A TEAM WITH OUR STAFF, WITH OUR COMMUNITY, WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD, BECAUSE THERE WERE DECISIONS AT EACH POINT THAT HAD TO BE MADE THAT DIRECTED US TO THE NEXT, THE NEXT POINT. AND OF COURSE, TIME WAS A CONCERN. OF COURSE, MONEY WAS A CONCERN, BUT ALWAYS THE CONCERN WAS MAKING THE BEST POSSIBLE DECISION GOING FORWARD, GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD ON IN THE FUTURE, GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITIES TO BALANCE ISSUES OF MONEY WITH ISSUES OF. AVAILABILITY. YOU WERE PRIVY TO ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS. I KNOW AS WE WORKED WITH REAL ESTATE AGENTS AND FOUND OUT THAT THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER IT BE FOR LAND PURCHASE OR THE REVITALIZATION OF AN EXISTING BUILDING, AS AS 1ST MAY THINK IN THE TOWN. AND SO AT ANY JUNCTURE, YOU COULD SECOND GUESS THAT. BUT AT THE POINT WHEN WE NEEDED TO MAKE THAT DECISION, WE WEIGHED ALL OF THE INFORMATION WE HAD AND THEN WENT ON TO THE NEXT STEP. DOES IT MEAN THAT TEN YEARS FROM NOW SOMETHING ELSE MIGHT NOT COME UP? NO ONE HAS A HAS A CRYSTAL BALL, BUT AT EACH STEP WE MADE THE BEST DECISION THAT WE COULD. MOVING FORWARD. I DO REFLECT BACK ON MULTIPLE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND TOWN BOARD MEETINGS WHEN WE HAD THRONGS OF SENIOR CITIZENS, AND THE ONE UNIFYING MESSAGE WAS THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE KEEPING THEM FOREFRONT IN OUR PLANS, THAT WE WERE RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT THE PROGRAMING AND SERVICES THAT THEY HAD BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO WERE IMPORTANT AND NEEDED TO BE NEEDED TO BE PART OF THE FUTURE IN THE TOWN, ALONG WITH WHAT THIS FACILITY WOULD AFFORD US, WHICH IS ALSO BEING A COMMUNITY CENTER. SO MY UNDERSTANDING AND MAYBE, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD. BUT IN MY AND FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN. BETH, THIS IS NOT A FINAL DECISION. IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE BONDING PROCESS AND WE HAVE TO VOTE TO APPROVE APPROVE THE BONDS. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? MY UNDERSTANDING, AND MAYBE MR. SHAY CAN SPEAK MORE. AND THIS WOULD GO BACK TO EXACTLY THE WAY IN WHICH THEY DID THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE NIKE ICE RINK, WHERE CONTRACTS WERE AWARDED, AND THERE WAS LANGUAGE THAT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR RECOMMENDED BE IN THE RESOLUTION IDENTIFYING WHAT THAT FUNDING SOURCE WOULD BE. AND IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE FROM BONDING. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION. IF YOU COULD ANSWER THE QUESTION IS AND SOMETIMES I DO GET FRUSTRATED WITH YOU, BETH, BECAUSE, MR. BUGALSKI, IF YOU REALLY IF YOU WOULD NOT VOICE I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU, THEN THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE SHOULD HAVE PRIVATELY. PRIVATELY. AND IT'S NOT A QUESTION. AND I ANSWERED THE QUESTION, I SAID IT. WE CAN DEFER THAT TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. AND IN YOUR OPINION, DO YOU IS THIS A FINAL DETERMINATION OR DO WE NOT HAVE TO PUT WE AS A BOARD HAVE TAKEN AND MADE DECISIONS ALL THE WAY ALONG THE WAY, WITH THE FINAL GOAL BEING HAVING HAVING A SENIOR AND COMMUNITY CENTER? THIS IS THE NEXT STEP THAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT BY THE STAFF AND CONSULTANTS WE WORK WITH. SO THE NEXT STEP IS TO AWARD CONTRACTS.AND THEN AT THE AUGUST 4TH MEETING, I BELIEVE WE'D BE SLATED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE BONDING. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET TO THE STEP OF OPENING UP THOSE BID DOCUMENTS. WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, FOLLOWING THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD TO US BY OUR CONSULTANTS AND OUR EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN. NOW, WOULD YOU SUPPORT BETH? WOULD YOU SUPPORT PUTTING THE DECISION TO BUILD THE COMMUNITY CENTER? I HAVEN'T FINISHED, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE DECISION TO BUILD THE COMMUNITY CENTER AT THE NIKE BASE UP FOR A PUBLIC REFERENDUM? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED PROBABLY 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO TODAY.
BUT AT THE JUNCTURE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, WITH THE INVESTMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE WITH THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN. TAKEN OVER YEARS. MY PERSONAL FEELING IS IF YOU PUT ANYTHING UP FOR REFERENDUM, NOTHING WILL EVER GET ACCOMPLISHED. NOTHING WILL EVER GET DONE, FRANK. NOTHING. YOU COULDN'T PUT A BATHROOM OUTSIDE THE FRONT IN A PARKING LOT OR IN
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A PLAYGROUND OR ANYTHING BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS IT. SOMEBODY ON FACEBOOK, I, I WAS TOLD A WOMAN SAID, WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE SENIOR CENTER PUTTING A SENIOR CENTER UP? THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEAD IN FIVE YEARS. I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF RIDICULOUS STUFF IS THIS? THE BASIC THING IS HERE.WE'VE LOOKED I'VE PERSONALLY CHECKED ON PROBABLY SEVEN PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THIS TOWN.
EXISTING BUILDINGS, VACANT PROPERTY. THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES THE SENSE. ON BUILDING THE SENIOR CENTER WITH THE PREMISES THAT YOU COULD PUT A FIELD HOUSE CONNECTED TO IT OFF OF THAT, AND THEN YOU COULD BUILD OFF IT. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A MULTI GENERAL FACILITY.
THIS IS THE ONLY AREA IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG THAT HAS THE PROPERTY TO DO THAT. YOU COULD PUT YOUR BIEGALSKI UP YOUR TAJ BUGALSKI, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. YOU COULD ADD ANOTHER ICE ON THE HOCKEY RINK. YOU COULD ADD A FIELD HOUSE, YOU COULD ADD EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU ALREADY GOT THE SOCCER, BASEBALL, PLAYGROUNDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ALREADY THERE.
WHAT? WHAT BETTER PLACE TO HAVE A MULTI SPORTS COMPLEX THAN RIGHT HERE IN HAMBURG WHERE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT SALEM FIELD, THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. I TOOK MY GRANDKIDS THERE. I WATCH MY GRANDKIDS PLAY. IT'S OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.
WE'VE WE'VE EXTENDED OUR THING. THIS WAS BEING DONE BEFORE. I SAT IN THE SEAT. THIS WAS BEING DONE BY THE PREVIOUS BOARD. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE RUSHING INTO ANYTHING. I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR TWO YEARS AND WE'VE LOOKED AND LOOKED AND LOOKED. WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE DEALS WITH SOME PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS AND IT WAS OUT OF THE QUESTION. SO WE'VE BEEN KIND OF THOSE YOU'VE BEEN PART OF ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT THE SPECIAL MEETING OR ARE WE JUST ARGUING ABOUT THIS WHOLE BUILDING, THIS FACILITY? BECAUSE I OPPOSE THE SPECIAL MEETING, BUT IT'S YOU'VE DISCUSSING THIS, THE COUNTY DID YOU DID YOU REQUEST A SPECIAL MEETING OR. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND, FRANK, IF I COULD JUST MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT, I, I WAS ABOUT TO COMMENT ABOUT WHAT MR. KOZUB HAD JUST SAID IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WHAT I HAD SAID, WHICH HE HAD TOLD ME THAT IF WE PUT THIS UP FOR A REFERENDUM OR IF WE PUT THINGS UP FOR A REFERENDUM, WE COULDN'T BUILD ANYTHING, INCLUDING A TAJ OR NO, HE SAID, A BATHROOM, BUT WE COULD NOW WITH THE NEW NEW THING, HE SAID, BUILD TAJ BUGALSKI. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE PREVIOUS BOARD, AND IN PART RANDY HOKE. AND I'LL BE STRAIGHT UP ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'M A STRAIGHT UP GUY. I'LL ANSWER A QUESTION DIRECTLY IS THAT I SPOKE TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS FROM FRONTIER. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE TRIED TO SAVE THE OLD COMMUNITY CENTER, AND IT WAS THE PREVIOUS BOARD, MOSTLY RANDY HOKE, I BELIEVE. PLEASE CLARIFY. AND RANDY HOKE HAD TRIED TO STRONG ARM FRONTIER IN IT BLEW UP IN HIS FACE BECAUSE FRONTIER IS WHERE WE LEASE OUR COMMUNITY CENTER FROM. AND SO BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT HOW I FELT ON THIS BOARD IS BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS DONE BY MR. HOKE IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT WE'RE SOMEONE'S HOLDING A GUN TO OUR HEADS, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION VERY QUICKLY. AND THAT WAS DONE PRIMARILY BY MR. HOKE BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET ALONG WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT. AND HE FELT LIKE WHEN I SPOKE TO THE SUPERINTENDENT THAT HOKE WAS ACTING INAPPROPRIATELY WITH RESPECT TO HIS CONDUCT AND TRIED TO FORCE HIS HAND AND BULLY HIM, AND IT BLEW UP IN THE TOWN'S FACE. AND NOW WE'RE LEFT TO DEAL WITH THAT. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M LOOKING AT THE LONGER TERM AND NOT JUST THE IMMEDIATE, THE IMMEDIACY OF IT AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE I STAND. SO I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT AT A REGULAR BOARD MEETING. AGAIN, I'LL JUST REITERATE THAT THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THESE VERY POINTS. YOU HAVE BEEN PART OF A CONSENSUS WITH THIS BOARD AS WE WORKED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS THROUGH THIS DIFFICULT PROCESS.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING NEW THAT WE'RE JUST STARTING TO TALK ABOUT. AND IF I COULD JUST RETURN FOR ONE MOMENT, I GIVE YOU THE RESPECT AND I LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG YOU TAKE TO SAY IT, WHICH SOMETIMES IS LONGER THAN OTHER TIMES. AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU SHOW ME THE SAME RESPECT AND MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU CUT US OFF, WHEN YOU FEEL THAT WE'VE TAKEN TOO MUCH TIME, WHEN WE'VE SHOWN YOU RESPECT, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG IT TAKES YOU TO MAKE YOUR POINT, AND WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR POINT OVER AND OVER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO SHOW MUTUAL RESPECT TO YOUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BETH, IS LAST. WE HAVE A THREE MINUTE REPORTING PERIOD. NO I'M NOT.
I'M REFERRING TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AGO. AND AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING WHEN YOU CUT ME OFF. THERE IS NO THREE MINUTE FOR BOARD MEMBERS. BUT THAT ASIDE, I'M REFERRING TO
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WHAT OCCURRED A FEW MOMENTS AGO, AND WE'RE WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THESE. WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SAID ARE VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES. SOMETIMES IT WILL TAKE LONGER TO MAKE YOUR POINT. AND I AFFORDED YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY. I JUST WOULD ASK THAT YOU AFFORD ME THE SAME OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE.SO MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU SUPPORT AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION? I DID. DO YOU SUPPORT A REFERENDUM ON THIS ISSUE, YES OR NO? NO. WHAT ABOUT YOU, BETH? YOU HAVEN'T, HAVE YOU? PUTTING SOMETHING UP TO A VOTE? I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANYTHING HERE, BUT I ASKED YOU.
MY OPINION IS I DO BELIEVE THAT REFERENDUMS HAVE A TIME AND A PLACE, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP PROBABLY YEARS AGO. THERE'S A LOT OF TIME INVESTED IN THIS IS NOT THE PROPER TIME IN THE PROCESS TO CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DISAGREE. THAT'S THE GREAT PART ABOUT AMERICA. AGREED. JUST A POINT. JUST A POINT. I'VE RUN THREE DIFFERENT ELECTIONS ON ISSUES, JUST AS YOU MENTIONED, COUNCILMAN BUKOWSKI, WE RAN A REFERENDUM ON A SENIOR CENTER IN THE PAST. IT WENT DOWN. SO MR. KOZUB IS CORRECT. WE DID ONE ON THE TRASH THAT WAS DEFEATED, AND WE ALSO DID ONE ON A TOWN HALL THAT WAS DEFEATED. SO EVERY TIME WE PUT THEM UP, THEY'VE GOT THEY'VE BEEN VOTED DOWN. THE QUESTION IS THOUGH, AND THIS IS WHAT WAS MY INITIAL POINT, WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE A SPECIAL BOARD MEETING. I BELIEVE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND TRANSPARENCY. WE ALL DO. AND YOU HAD JUST ASKED BETH THAT I NOT INTERRUPT YOU AND YOU JUST INTERRUPTED ME. SO IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO FINISH IS TO THE POINT OF WHAT THE SUPERVISOR JUST MADE, IF THE VOTERS DON'T WANT IT IN THE REFERENDUM, I DON'T FEEL PATERNALISTIC THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO SHOVE IT DOWN THEIR THROATS. I BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY, SO I STAND WITH THE THOUGHT THAT IF THE VOTERS DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THEIR GARBAGE, IF THEY DON'T WANT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THEY DON'T WANT TO RAISE THEIR TAXES, IT'S THERE. IT SHOULD BE THEIR DECISION, THAT'S ALL. FRANK, THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE HAD THE VOTE ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER HAPPENING TONIGHT. CONTRACTORS REACHED OUT TO US AND ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL TIME PERIOD TO WORK TO PRESENT THE BEST POSSIBLE BIDS IN THE DESIRE TO GET THE BEST QUALITY PRODUCT WE COULD FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WE GRANTED THAT REQUEST, WHICH CHANGED THE TIMELINE. THIS IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING. IT IS NOT ANYBODY TRYING TO PUSH ANYTHING DOWN YOUR THROAT. IT IS TRULY, HONESTLY TRYING TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF HAMBURG. AND AS SUCH, WE GAVE THOSE CONTRACTORS THAT ASKED ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET THE MATERIALS TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY WERE HAVING DIFFICULTY SECURING THE MOST COMPETITIVE BIDS THEY COULD PULL TOGETHER. AND IT WAS DONE IN CONSULTATION WITH OUR TOWN ENGINEER, WHOSE OPINION WE DO VALUE. AND SO THERE WAS NOTHING HERE THAT WAS TO TRY TO HINDER TRANSPARENCY OR ANYTHING ELSE. AND SO OF COURSE, WE FOLLOW IT TO THE NEXT STEP, WHICH WOULD BE BASED ON RECOMMENDATION IF POSSIBLE. THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE, IF POSSIBLE, A SPECIAL MEETING WOULD AFFORD US THE OPPORTUNITY OF NOT TACKING ANY ADDITIONAL TIME ON. EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION ABOUT THAT. THERE WAS NOTHING TOWARD ABOUT THIS REQUEST. IT WAS A LOGICAL REQUEST BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF WE'RE WORKING WITH. OKAY, SO HOW ABOUT WE TAKE A VOTE AND WE'LL VOTE ON I DON'T THINK WE CAN VOTE WORK SESSION. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU CAN WRITE THE SCHEDULE. YEAH. THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THE SUPERVISOR DECIDES WHETHER THERE'S A SPECIAL MEETING OR NOT. AND YOU.
ALL RIGHT THEN NOTICE WE'RE DECIDING THERE'S A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 24TH, 5:00. AND YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT MY AVAILABILITY, AND MY CHILDREN HAVE A SPORTING EVENT. AND IF YOU WANT TO PICK ANOTHER DAY, IF YOU WANT TO DO THE 23RD. WE KNOW THE 24TH IS FINE, 24TH IS FINE.
I MEAN, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT SPECIAL MEETINGS ARE INAPPROPRIATE UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY, AS I'VE TOLD YOU, BECAUSE THESE MEETINGS ARE PUT OUT FOR A YEAR. BUT YOU'RE THE SUPERVISOR. YOU WANT TO DO IT ON THE 24TH. THAT'LL BE FINE. OKAY. EVERYBODY ELSE ALL RIGHT WITH THE 24TH? I'LL MAKE IT WORK. OKAY. 24TH.
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