[WORK SESSION] [00:00:08] OKAY, SO IT'S 630 AND WE'RE GOING TO START THE WORK SESSION FOR THE AUGUST 6TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING. RMB HOLDINGS LLC REQUESTING A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL. SORRY. RMV HOLDINGS LLC REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL ON A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME ON DOWN AND GIVE US A HIGHLIGHT, IF YOU WILL? SURE. THANK YOU. WE'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF FOR YOU. WELL, YOU CAN SEE THE PEOPLE STANDING IN LINE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY CASHED IN THEIR TICKETS FOR THE FAIR TONIGHT JUST TO BE HERE. SO KEEP IT MOVING. WE GOTTA WE GOT WE GOT POPCORN TO POP. IF YOU WOULD. WOULDN'T MIND SPEAKING RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE AFTER LISTENING TO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, WE LOSE THE APPLICANT FROM TIME TO TIME. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING ON THE RECORD. OKAY. AND YOU CAN START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE. MY NAME IS KEVIN CURRY AND THIS IS MATT GREGORY. MATT IS ONE OF THE OWNERS. AND. WE'RE WE'RE HERE REQUESTING A SUBDIVISION. JUST, JUST THERE'S NO PLANS RIGHT NOW FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT MATT'S BUSINESS IS LOCATED DOWN THE STREET, AND THEY'VE OUTGROWN THEIR THEIR BUSINESS, AND THEY NEED TO EXPAND. IT'S A GOOD SUCCESS STORY FOR ALL OF US. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED APPROPRIATE FOR AN INTENDED USE MOVING FORWARD, BUT WE JUST WERE NOT READY TO DO THAT. BUT THERE'S A NEED TO SUBDIVIDE THIS LOT BECAUSE IT IS A BIG, A BIG LOT. AND THE COMPANY IS A RELATIVELY YOUNG COMPANY. AND SO THE PARCEL DIVISION THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE COMPANY FOR BUSINESS REASONS. THEY JUST CAN'T KICK OUT THE WHOLE PROPERTY AT THIS POINT. AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE SUBDIVISION. WE'RE STRICTLY ASKING FOR TO SPLIT IT INTO INTO TWO LOTS. AS INDICATED IN THE APPLICATION WE PROVIDED. AND AT SOME POINT IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE, THERE MAY BE SOME SOME PLANS COMING FORTH, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACHIEVE THIS ON A ON A TIGHT TIME FRAME. SO THEN WE KNOW WE CAN PROCEED WITH WITH PLANS. AS WE'VE MENTIONED, THE BUSINESS IS EXPANDING AND IT'S A SUCCESS STORY. BUT BUT WE NEED TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THERE'S MORE SPACE RELATIVELY SOON. SO, MR. CURRY, IF YOU COULD BACK UP BECAUSE YOU YOU'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS OVER THE ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND WOULD YOU MIND JUST REFRESHING THE BOARD'S MEMORY ON WHAT TOOK PLACE? SO IT WAS AN ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND WE DID A SPLIT ON THAT, CORRECT? YES. SO MATT AND HIS AND HIS PARTNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM AND IT WAS SPLIT THE SAME AS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO THE SAME PRECEDENT, THE SAME ENVIRONMENTAL. EVERYTHING WAS SPLIT FROM THE PROPERTY ON THE CORNER AS THAT WAS SOLD AND IS NOW BEING IT HAD GONE EMPTY. THE BUSINESS THAT WAS IN THERE HAD HAD CEASED. THEY FOUND A BUYER AND A NEW BUSINESS IS MOVING IN. THEY DIDN'T NEED THE WHOLE PROPERTY. MATT AND HIS PARTNER AND LOCATED JUST JUST NORTH OF THAT PICTURE THERE. AND THEY BOUGHT THE LAND FROM THEM. AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE SPLIT. SO THE PARTY, I THINK FORMALLY THE PARTY THAT REQUESTED THAT SPLIT REALLY WAS THE OWNER. AND HE DIVIDED UP APPROXIMATELY EIGHT ACRES. NOW WE'D BE SPLITTING THE EIGHT ACRES INTO TWO PARCELS. AND WOULD YOU MIND CLARIFYING WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? POSSIBLY FOR THE FUTURE. YEAH. SO MATT IS A CONTRACTOR. D'AMORE CONSTRUCTION IN. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT, WE'RE WE'RE JUST THE SITE AND PLUMBING CONTRACTOR LIKE KEVIN SAID, WE'RE LOCATED RIGHT DOWN THE STREET AT 3801 JEFFREY, BUT WE'VE OUTGROWN AND WE NEED MORE INDOOR STORAGE, WHICH IS THE PLAN. NOT KIND OF IN THE WORKS NOW, BUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WHEN FINANCIALS. COME WORK OUT IN IN IN OUR FAVOR. SO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER AT THIS POINT? AT THIS POINT THE TIMING IS VERY IMPORTANT. MATT. VERY HUMBLE. HE WAS A TEACHER IN FRONTIER SCHOOLS, SHOP TEACHER AND RECENTLY RETIRED FROM THAT. AND THE BUSINESS IS EXPANDING AS A RESULT OF PARKER'S. SO THERE'S [00:05:03] A NEED FOR THE ADDITIONAL SPACE AND TO MOVE AND TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THEY CAN'T TAKE ON THE WHOLE PARCEL. OUR HOPE WOULD BE IN OUR REQUEST WOULD BE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND WOULD BE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN TWO WEEKS. I UNDER I UNDERSTAND THIS AGENDA IS PRETTY LIGHTLY ATTENDED, BUT IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO DO IT, THEN WE THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME, WHILE IT WOULD BE THOROUGH, IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE PRIOR SPLIT. MORE, MORE OR LESS. IDENTICAL TO THAT. SO IDEALLY WE'D DO THE PUBLIC HEARING IN TWO WEEKS AND PERHAPS HAVE A DECISION IN. WEEK AFTER LABOR DAY. WE WERE HELD UP A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE YEAR. YOU MAY RECALL THERE WAS A MEETING OR TWO. WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM. AND SO THE ACQUISITION TOOK LONGER THAN ANYBODY WANTED IT TO. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE. OKAY. PLANNING DEPARTMENT. GOOD EVENING, MR. JOSH. HELLO. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER? JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I JUST WANT TO. SO 4091 IS THE PROPERTY THAT WAS SUBDIVIDED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. CORRECT. AND THEN SO IT WAS LIKE, SPLIT LIKE KIND OF LIKE THIS. RIGHT. AND THEN WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING TO DO IS THEN SPLIT. NOW THIS PARCEL THAT GOT SPLIT HERE, THESE EIGHT ACRES SPLIT THAT INTO THE TWO LOTS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. YES, SIR. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IN TERMS OF THE VISUAL, DO WE HAVE AN ACREAGE ON THE SPLIT? IS IT TWO ACRES AND TWO FOUR ACRES AND FOUR ACRES, 5.42 AND THEN 3.15. THANK YOU. DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAD UP BEFORE. THIS ONE SHOWS THAT IT'S JUST ORIENTED. YEP. LANDSCAPE. AND HE'S LOOKING FOR THE AT THE THREE POINT. HE'S LOOKING FOR THE THREE ACRES. YEAH. THE SMALLER OF THAT. YES. YEP OKAY. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NORTHERN OKAY. IT'S STILL A SIZABLE ENDEAVOR. YEAH. THE ONLY OTHER ADDITION THAT I HAVE IS WE SHOWED IT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND THERE'S NO ISSUES FROM A SETBACK STANDPOINT. THIS SUBDIVISION DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES IN TERMS OF ZONING. IT'S SPLIT ZONED M2 AND M1. THIS PARCEL IS ACTUALLY SUBJECT TO SOME OF THE CODE REVISIONS THAT I'LL BE DISCUSSING IN A LITTLE BIT. SO I'LL ADDRESS WHAT WHAT THAT MEANS. BUT IN TERMS OF THIS SUBDIVISION, THE ZONING WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE IN THE USE THAT THEY'RE INTENDING. WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE, WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE IN THE ZONING THAT IT IS. NO. OKAY. IT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD, I'M JUST GOING TO BRING THIS UP AND EVERYBODY CAN THINK ABOUT IT. WAS THERE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WETLANDS ON THAT PROPERTY ON THAT PIECE? WASN'T THERE AN AT LENGTH DISCUSSION? IF THERE WERE WETLANDS ON THAT PROPERTY AND IF WE HAD TO CHECK IT OUT, IS THAT BEEN VERIFIED? DO WE NEED TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD? WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND YOU NEED TO GO TO THE MIC. JUST GO CLOSER TO THE MIC. THAT'S OKAY. YOU'RE GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY AND YEAH, YOU'LL BE IN THE NEXT ROOM PRETTY SOON. SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT TO DO THE SPLIT, IT WASN'T RIPE FOR THAT AS AS OF YET AT THE TIME OF A SITE PLAN, IT CERTAINLY WILL BE ADDRESSED. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS, ANY CONCERNS, ANY AUGUST AC YOU'RE LOOKING THE BUILDING WILL BE STRICTLY FOR STORAGE IN THE FUTURE. YES. AND WE MAY HAVE THERE MAY BE STORAGE FOR US AND WE MAY HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL STORAGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN OF COURSE, WHEN IT COMES TO STORAGE IS ALWAYS A BUZZWORD. OF COURSE, WHEN THEY DO HAVE A PROPOSAL IN THE SITE PLAN, WE'LL OF COURSE GET IT VETTED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER BEFORE IT COMES TO YOUR BOARD, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT USE IS PERMITTED IN THE ZONING THAT IT IS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. SEEING HOW THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. I'M SORRY. MEMBERS. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO. OKAY. SEEING HOW THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I THINK WE CAN ADD THIS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 20TH. 20TH. OKAY. BUT THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE WE'RE CAPPING THE AGENDA. CORRECT. I'M, I'M, I'M ON RECORD SAYING THAT WE ARE CAPPING THE AGENDA. WE'LL DO FOR THAT MEETING ON THE 20TH. DO YOU WANT. ARE YOU AUTHORIZING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO PRODUCE APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS FOR DRAFT CONSIDERATION? YES. OKAY, I GOT IT. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 20TH. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S NOT HERE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU'RE OUT. COLLECTING MONEY? I DON'T SEE [00:10:01] KEVIN JEWETT HERE. NO ONE. OFFICER TOM SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE HERE. I KNOW WE I KNOW THE RECORDING WILL PROBABLY HATE US. DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO MR. MANKO AND THEN GIVE HIM ANOTHER, LIKE, FIVE MINUTES? BUT THEN WE START THE MEETING OFFICIALLY. THAT'S GOING TO BE TRUE. WE COULD GO ON A, LIKE A BRIEF INTERMISSION AND THEN LIKE, COME BACK AT LIKE 650. NEWTON FIRE COMPANIES. ARE WE LOOKING AT SOME ZONING THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS? YEAH, THOSE ARE FAIRLY EXHAUSTIVE. I CAN GO INTO THEM RIGHT NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT AND KEEP IT MOVING? AND IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOWS UP, THEN WE'LL WE'LL WORK THEM IN TO THE THING. BUT, I MEAN, THE MEETING STARTS AT 630, I CAN'T. TRUE. SOUNDS GOOD. WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THAT THEN. OKAY. SO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO GO OVER A NUMBER OF CODE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEING REFERRED TO US. THESE CODE AMENDMENTS ARE INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF M ONE ZONING DISTRICT, TWEAKS TO M2 AND M3. AND PLEASE DON'T ASK ME THE DEFINITION OF TWEAK, WHICH WILL BE RENAMED FROM L ONE RENAMED FROM TO L ONE AND G ONE, A NEW LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND A HOST OF OTHER VARIOUS ZONING CODE REVISIONS. THERE ARE ALSO ZONING MAP REVISIONS THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED IN THE BOARD MEMBERS. THERE'S A FOLDER ON YOUR IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING THAT HAS ALL OF THAT PAPERWORK. AND AS OUR VANNA WHITE OF PLANNING, MR. ROGERS WILL PROCEED. THANK YOU. JUST FOR THE RECORD, JOSH ROGERS, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS THAT OVER THE NEXT THREE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS, I PLAN ON DISCUSSING WITH THE BOARD, JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE COMP PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2022 FROM THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, THE TOWN IN 2023 SET UP WHAT'S CALLED THE CPC, THE COMP PLAN IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE. AND THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT COMMITTEE IS TO TAKE THINGS WITHIN THE COMP PLAN AND IMPLEMENT A LOT OF THOSE ACTIONS AND GOALS. IT'S ONE THING TO WRITE A COMP PLAN AND HAVE ALL THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S ANOTHER THING TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT A LOT OF THE GOALS AND ACTIONS THAT ARE WITHIN IT. AND A LOT OF TIMES WE SEE WE WRITE PLANS AND WE HAVE ACTIONS. THERE'S NO MEASURABLE WAY TO CHECK ON THE PROGRESS. AND THEN THINGS LAY DORMANT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THE TOWN WANTED TO DO WAS CREATE A COMMITTEE TO START LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE GOALS THAT WE CREATED IN THE COMP PLAN. AND THROUGH THAT, A LOT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE THROUGH ZONING. RIGHT? SO THERE'S A THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS RURAL, SUBURBAN AND URBAN AREAS. IT'S ONE OF THE MORE UNIQUE TOWNS THROUGHOUT ERIE COUNTY. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, ZONING IS GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER ROLE THAN, THAN IN OTHER TOWNS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT OUT OF THE COMP PLAN WAS LOOKING AT OUR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. IF YOU GUYS RECALL, IN MID 2023, EARLY 2024, WE STARTED A LITTLE BIT OF THIS WHERE WE DID SOME INDUSTRIAL REZONING, WHERE WE LOOKED AT SOME AREAS OVER IN LAKEVIEW. THE FEEDMORE SITE WAS PART OF SOME OF THOSE REZONINGS. WE LOOKED AT SOME AREAS OVER BY CAMP ROAD, SO WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK WITH MODERNIZING SOME OF THESE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, BUT WE ACTUALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT THE CODE ITSELF, AND WE ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT OUR M ONE ZONING DISTRICT. AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT SOME OF THE PERMITTED USES WERE IN M1, AND WE WANTED TO SEE IF WE MAYBE WERE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO IN TERMS OF THE PLAN OF WHAT I WANT TO DO, THERE'S THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE ONE PART OF THE ZONING CODE, A PROPOSED LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH THIS BOARD HAS SEEN. AND IT'S REALLY EARLY STAGE, BUT WE IRONED IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THEN THERE'S A HOST OF VARIOUS CHAPTER TWO ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS. SO I KIND OF WANT TO PIECEMEAL THEM. I DON'T WANT TO DO THEM ALL AT ONCE. TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. THERE ARE ALSO SOME ZONING MAP REVISIONS THAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU GUYS AT THE MEETING ON AUGUST 20TH. I PLAN ON GOING OVER LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL AND THEN AT OUR SEPTEMBER 3RD PLANNING BOARD MEETING, I PLAN ON GOING OVER THE VARIOUS ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS. LUCKILY WE HAVE THREE CO. I MEAN, LUCKILY WE HAVE THREE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 8TH, WHICH IS WHEN WE NEED THE RECOMMENDATION BY. SO I THINK BY PIECEMEALING IT, IT'LL GIVE US A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO ALL THE ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS INSTEAD OF DOING THEM ALL AT ONCE. SO WITH THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PACKET, THE DOCUMENTS THAT I WANT TO BRING UP FOR EVERYONE IS YOU SHOULD SEE STAPLED ARTICLE X I X L I LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. YOU SHOULD SEE ARTICLE X GI GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND THEN YOU SHOULD SEE A MAP AN 11 BY 17 MAP. IT'S DOUBLE SIDED. ONE HAS ONE IS AT JEFFREY BOULEVARD. IT'S HAS LIKE RED HATCHING. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT MAP IS AT THAT TOWN OF HAMBURG, TOWN OF ORCHARD PARK BORDER. AND IT HAS LIKE RED CROSS HATCHING. DOES EVERYONE HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS JUST SO THAT. OKAY, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE. GENERAL INDUSTRIAL GI. THE GI GENERAL [00:15:13] INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT I DO NOT HAVE. YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF. I HAVE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUT I DON'T HAVE THE GENERAL. GOT IT. OKAY. NO WORRIES. WHAT I DO WITHOUT MY BOARD. AND THEN THE LAST DOCUMENT. JOSH? I'M SORRY. OH, NO. YOU'RE GOOD. THOSE GENTLEMEN BACK THERE BY THAT DOOR. YEAH. IT'S VERY INTERFERING, AND I'M AFRAID THAT IT'S PICKING UP ON THE MIC, SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY CAN GO BACK THERE. OKAY, ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE, THE LAST, THE LAST DOCUMENT FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS IT'S ONE OF THE HEAVIER PACKETS. THE TITLE OF IT IS 280 347. IT'S WORD DEFINITIONS. DOES EVERYONE HAVE THAT ONE IN THEIR PACKET. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE FOUR DOCUMENTS THAT I WANT TO GO OVER TODAY. SO TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHERE THIS CAME FROM, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SOME OF THE SOME OF THE GOALS AND ACTIONS, AND WE WERE LOOKING TO KIND OF CAPITALIZE ON SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY REZONED. WHAT WE LOOK TO DO IS RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY THERE IS AN M-1 RESEARCH AND OFFICE PARK INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERMITTED USES IN THAT DISTRICT, AND I'LL ACTUALLY PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN JUST SO THAT EVERYONE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THAT DISTRICT. IN THAT DISTRICT, WHAT YOU CAN DO ARE OFFICES AND OFFICE PARKS. YOU CAN DO LIKE RESEARCH LABS. YOU CAN DO HOTELS AND HOTELS AND MOTELS, WEIRDLY ENOUGH. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME ACCESSORY USES. AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE THOUGHT TO OURSELVES WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE THAT M-1 DISTRICT, BECAUSE WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY A C-2 DISTRICT WHERE YOU CAN DO RESEARCH LABS AND HOTELS AND MOTELS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE M-2 AT THE TIME, M2 AND M3, WHERE YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY DO THOSE SAME USES IN M-1. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE THEN OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE GOING TO REPEAL M-1 OR REMOVE IT, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT ALL THE PROPERTIES IN THE TOWN, RIGHT, THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED M-1. AND WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THOSE THAT ZONING AND SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A WAY TO REZONE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WERE CURRENTLY ZONED M-1. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, I'LL START WITH THE JEFFREY BOULEVARD SIDE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE THAT HAS JEFFREY BOULEVARD, EVERYTHING THAT HAS THAT HATCHING IS CURRENTLY ZONED M-1. SO EVEN THE HATCHING, THAT'S GREEN. AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THE GREEN MEANS. ALL OF THE ALL OF THE PARCELS THAT HAVE HATCHING ARE M-1. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS A LOT OF THESE PARCELS ARE SPLIT ZONED. SO A LOT OF THESE PARCELS, THE FRONTAGE IS ZONED M-1. THERE'S THAT PARCEL AT BIG TREE IN WEST AVE WHERE 8/10 OF THE PARCEL IS M-1, BUT A SMALL TRIANGLE SLIVER IS C-2. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE MAP OVER BY KATELYN TERRACE, THERE ARE SOME TOWN OWNED PARCELS THAT ARE ZONED CURRENTLY M-1 AND THEN THAT PARCEL IMMEDIATELY EAST IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE RAILROAD. SO THE PROPOSED REZONING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BY REMOVING M-1 IS EVERYTHING THAT HAS THAT RED DIAGONAL HATCHING. WE ARE PROPOSING TO BE REZONED TO C-2. THE REASON FOR IT IS THAT IN SITU, YOU CAN STILL DO THE SAME USES IN M-1. LIKE I SAID, THAT ONE PARCEL THAT IS 8/10 M-1 AT WEST AVE BIG TREE IS ALREADY ZONED C-2, SO WE WANTED TO JUST MAKE THE ENTIRE PARCEL C-2, AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT ZONING DISTRICT MADE THE MOST I'M SORRY, NOT C-2 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. SORRY. YEAH. SORRY. LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THE COLORS ARE THE COLORS ARE LIKE. YOU MEAN STRESSED? YEAH. THE. SO SORRY. THE DIAGONAL HATCHING IS PROPOSED TO BE L I OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE OUR M2 WITH A COUPLE OF ADDED USES. ALL OF THESE PARCELS OUTSIDE OF THE HATCHING ARE ZONED LI RIGHT NOW OUR M2. SO WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IS JUST MAKING ALL OF THESE PARCELS FULLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. ON THAT CAITLIN TERRACE SIDE. THAT GREEN HATCHING IS PR THAT'S OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DISTRICT BECAUSE THOSE PARCELS ARE NOT REALLY DEVELOPABLE. THEY'RE KIND OF REALLY JUST EXTRA SPACE. WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS REZONE THAT TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DISTRICT. WE DIDN'T THINK THAT [00:20:02] ANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICT REALLY MADE SENSE. AND THEN FOR THE RAILROAD, THE REASON WHY WE ARE ALSO REZONING IT LIES BECAUSE THE REST OF THE RAILROAD IS ACTUALLY ZONED LI SLASH M2. SO THAT WAS KIND OF A LOT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY SUGGESTIONS, ANY ANY INITIAL COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED REZONING? AS A REMINDER, THESE ARE ALL PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED M-1. WE'RE REZONING THEM BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING WE'RE PROPOSING TO GET RID OF THE M-1 DISTRICT. AND WE NEED TO REZONE THESE PARCELS TO SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. SO ALL THE PARCELS ON THE WESTERN END ARE CURRENTLY ZONED M2 SLASH LI. WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THEM ALL M2 SLASH LI. THEN ON THE EASTERN SIDE, WE'RE LOOKING TO REZONE TWO OF THOSE PARCELS TO PR AND THEN THE RAILROAD BACK TO M2. SLASH LI. ANY COMMENTS? THOUGHTS? REVISIONS? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. SO IS ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH REMOVING THE M1 RESEARCH PARK INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT? I CERTAINLY DO NOT. SO NO. NO. IT'LL JUST BE GONE FOREVER. THERE'S NOTHING REPLACING RESEARCH PARK. NO. SO WHAT WILL WE BE DOING IS THE USES THAT ARE WITHIN M1, WE'RE ADDING TO M2 AND WE'RE ADDING THE LABORATORIES IN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. AND THE OFFICES AND OFFICE BUILDINGS USE TO SEE TO. OH YEAH. RIGHT NOW IN C2, THOSE RESEARCH LABS ARE ALREADY ALLOWED. BUT WEIRDLY ENOUGH IN C2, OFFICES AND OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE NOT A PERMITTED USE. SO WE'RE ADDING THOSE USES TO C2 SO THAT IF WE WERE TO REZONE TO C2 OR IF WE WERE ZONED TO LEE, ALL OF THOSE USES WOULD BE IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO NOBODY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LOSING OUT IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE REZONED. WE'RE JUST SHIFTING SOME OF THIS. WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY OF THE BUSINESSES. CORRECT. JUST CHANGING INTO SOME OF THE ZONES AND NEEDING IT UP. OKAY. VERY GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE. PERFECT. JOSH, BEFORE YOU GO ON. EXCUSE ME. ARE YOU WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? OKAY. WE'LL BE WITH YOU SHORTLY. OKAY. SO THE. HANG ON ONE SECOND. DO YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING WITH YOU? OKAY, SO THE NEXT DOCUMENT, IF YOU HAVE THAT LEE ZONING DISTRICT IN FRONT OF YOU, ESSENTIALLY LEE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT'S REPLACING M2. SO WE'RE JUST MAKING THE ACRONYM MATCH WHAT THE ZONING DISTRICT SAYS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE INTENT, THE PURPOSE OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IS REMAINING FAIRLY THE SAME AS M2. IT'S TO PERMIT, WHERE APPROPRIATE, CONSTRUCTION, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ORIENTED INDUSTRIES, LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND MODERATELY INTENSIVE INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERMITTED USES IN THE LEE DISTRICT, THAT ONE OFFICES IS WHAT I MENTIONED WHEN I SAID THAT IN M1, WE'RE TAKING SOME OF THOSE USES AND ADDING THEM TO THIS. LEE DISTRICT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT WAREHOUSING WITHIN ALLOWED USE WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. YOU CAN DO LABS, ENGAGE IN RESEARCH. YOU CAN DO THE MANUFACTURING AND COMPOUNDING OF ARTICLES OF MERCHANDISE. YOU'LL SEE IN NUMBER FIVE THAT USE FULL SCALE BUILDINGS IN WHICH INTERIOR SPACES ARE BEING RENTED FOR INDIVIDUAL STORAGE USE. ACCESS TO STORAGE UNITS MUST BE WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. SO THIS IS KIND OF A TWO PART KIND OF USE. SO ONE OF THE USES FOR THE OTHER ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT THAT I WOULD COME TO THIS BOARD WITH IN SEPTEMBER, ROBERT TALKS ABOUT PRIVATE RENTAL STORAGE THROUGH THE ZONING CODE UPDATES PROCESS AND ALL THE COMMITTEES THAT WE'VE MET WITH. WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT OUR PRIVATE RENTAL STORAGE DEFINITION, AND WE'VE TWEAKED IT A LITTLE BIT. AND THIS USE IS ESSENTIALLY IF YOU THINK OF THE LIFE STORAGE BUILDINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE LIFE STORAGE, THE ORANGE AND WHITE KIND OF BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE A FULLY ENCLOSED BUILDING. TO ACCESS ANY STORAGE UNITS, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO WITHIN THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF HAVING THOSE DROP DOWN PULL UP GARAGE BAYS, WHICH WE CONSIDER IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. PRIVATE RENTAL, MINI STORAGE. SO THE USE THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE LEE DISTRICT WILL BE THOSE KIND OF FULL SCALE BUILDINGS, VERY SIMILAR TO LIFE STORAGE. AND WE WANTED TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT THE ACCESS PIECE, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE DIFFERENTIATING PIECE BETWEEN PUBLIC MINI STORAGE AND THESE FULL SCALE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? FOR PUBLIC MINI STORAGE, YOU CAN TECHNICALLY ACCESS THAT BUILDING OUTSIDE OF A FULL SCALE, BUT YOU CAN OPEN UP A GARAGE BAY AND GET TO THE UNIT. WHEREAS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALLOW IS HAVING TO GO WITHIN THAT ENCLOSED BUILDING AND ACCESS YOUR STORAGE UNIT THAT WAY, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE NUMBER SIX. THESE ARE USES ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YOU'LL SEE SIX A SAYS RENTAL STORAGE FACILITIES MINI STORAGE. SO THAT'S THAT USE THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT WHERE KIND OF LIKE WHERE FISHER BUS PROPERTY IS ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD, WHERE THERE WAS THIS LONG GARAGE BAYS WHERE YOU CAN PULL THEM UP AND ACCESS YOUR STORAGE UNIT LIKE THAT. THAT'S THAT KIND OF USE WHICH WE'RE ALLOWING. AND LEE BUT THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT CURRENTLY ISN'T ALLOWED USE THAT'S IN M2 RIGHT NOW. SO WE KEPT THAT. AND WE'RE STILL REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE LEE DISTRICT. ANY [00:25:03] QUESTIONS ON ALL OF THAT? I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO WHAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED. SO CODE REVIEW TOOK THIS IN FRONT OF OUR CODE REVIEW ATTORNEY. YEP. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO CLEAN UP NOT TWEAK BUT CLEAN UP THE VERBIAGE. YEP. SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION. CORRECT. SO THERE WERE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS THROUGHOUT THE ORDINANCES THAT CAUSED A LOT OF CONFUSION WHEN YOU WENT BACK AND TRIED TO PAIR IT UP TOGETHER. YEP. AND SO WE GOT RID OF SOME AND NEATENED UP THE, THE WORD THE VERBIAGE IF YOU WILL. YEP. SO THERE IS NO CONFUSION ANYWHERE. CORRECT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. AND THEN THE REST OF ALL THE ACCESSORY USES ALL OF THE LIMITATIONS MINIMUM LOT SIZE, MAXIMUM HEIGHT. THOSE ARE BEING PULLED OVER FROM M2. THOSE ARE NOT CHANGING. SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE CHANGES IN THE LEE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. ANY QUESTIONS SUGGESTIONS REVISIONS OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. THE NEXT DOCUMENT, THE GI GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, THIS IS GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY REPLACING M3. IF YOU LOOK AT THE INTENT, THE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE AREAS IN THE TOWN FOR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL USE AND MANUFACTURING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE USES, YOU CAN DO PRINCIPAL USES AND STRUCTURES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE LEE DISTRICT, AS I JUST EXPLAINED. AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OF OUR HEAVIER USES. SO LUMBER YARDS AND COAL YARDS, RAILROAD FREIGHT YARDS, AUTOMOBILE ASSEMBLY, MANUFACTURING OF HEAVY MACHINERY. ONE OF THE ADDED USES THAT I WANT TO DIRECT TO THIS BOARD'S ATTENTION IS IF YOU LOOK AT 281 33.28 TEN, YOU'LL SEE IT SAYS OTHER SIMILAR USES TO ITEMS ONE THROUGH NINE, AS DETERMINED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. WHEN WE TALKED AT CODE REVIEW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID IS A LOT OF TIMES WE GET THESE USES THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE IF IT FITS IN THE DISTRICT, AND WE END UP HAVING TO BRING IT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ANYWAYS. WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, AS IN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND CALL IT OUT, IS SAYING THAT IF THERE ARE USES SIMILAR TO ONE THROUGH NINE, AS DETERMINED BY OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, IT WOULD BE A PERMITTED USE THAT WE WOULD THEN BRING TO THE BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR WHATEVER APPROVAL THEY NEED BEFORE THIS BOARD. SO ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF DISCRETION TO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THEY'RE THE ONLY ENTITIES THAT CAN INTERPRET THE ZONING CODE IN THE TOWN. SO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF DISCRETION WHEN IT COMES TO SIMILAR USES IN THE GI DISTRICT. ANY THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS ON THE PERMITTED USES IN THE GI DISTRICT? OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT SUBSECTION B, THESE ARE USES IN THE GI DISTRICT WHICH WILL BE ALLOWED BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO YOU'LL SEE NURSERY SCHOOLS AND DAYCARE CENTERS, CONCRETE MIXING PLANTS, THE STORAGE AND PETROLEUM OF PETROLEUM PRODUCTS, TRUCK TERMINALS. AND THEN WE ADDED TWO USES THAT THROUGH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HERE AT WENDELL THAT WE'VE SEEN AI DATA CENTERS AND BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. THESE ARE USES THAT WE HAVE SEEN SPROUT OUT, ESPECIALLY IN NIAGARA COUNTY IN THE TOWN OF SOMERSET. THEY HAD A FORMER INDUSTRIAL COAL PLANT, WHICH HAS BEEN RECENTLY TURNED INTO AN AI DATA CENTER. THESE DATA CENTERS TAKE UP A LOT OF LAND. THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF POWER. THEY USE A LOT OF WATER. AND THEY'RE USES THAT ARE THEY'RE GOING TO AS AI CONTINUES TO BE A PRODUCT THAT'S USED MORE AND MORE, THESE DATA CENTERS ARE GOING TO BE SPROUTING UP IN ERIE COUNTY IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR AVAILABLE INDUSTRIAL LAND. SO WE WANTED TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND PUT IT IN OUR CODE REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WE HAVE DEVELOPED SOME SPECIAL USE PERMIT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE USED BASED OFF OF OUR OUR EXPERIENCE USING THEM IN NIAGARA COUNTY. AND WE WANTED TO PUT THEM IN THE ZONING CODE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE THEY'RE USES THAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL BE COMING AROUND. AND WE WANTED TO REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE M3 DISTRICT. WE JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE ALLOWED BY. RIGHT, BECAUSE WE WANT THE PLANNING BOARD TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE SOME ADDED REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE KIND OF CENTERS AND THEN FOR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, VERY SIMILAR. A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ACTUALLY PUT A MORATORIUM ON BATTERY BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. IN 2023 OR EARLY 2024, THERE WAS A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM THAT CAUGHT ON FIRE, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT SYSTEM. SO A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES PUT A MORATORIUM TO TAKE A FURTHER LOOK. WHILE THE STATE IS ALSO UPDATING ITS CODES ON THESE SYSTEMS. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE OF CALLS IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ABOUT PEOPLE INQUIRING ABOUT DOING BATTERY BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS IN THE TOWN. SO WE WANTED TO ADD IT TO THIS, TO THE ZONING DISTRICT AND ADD NEEDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SO THAT THIS BOARD CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TEETH WHEN REVIEWING THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS, BECAUSE THESE ARE NEW USES. WE DID ADD DEFINITIONS IN OUR WORDS AND DEFINITIONS CODE. SO THAT'S THAT OTHER DOCUMENT THAT I GAVE YOU GUYS. 280 347 IF YOU LOOK IN BLUE THERE ARE SOME ADDED DEFINITIONS. SO WE ADDED A DEFINITION FOR AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE DATA CENTER. WE RAN [00:30:05] THIS DEFINITION BY OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND BY OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE WE CAN WRITE A DEFINITION UNTIL WE'RE BLUE IN THE FACE. BUT IF CODE ENFORCEMENT DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT DEFINITION, OR IF OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT DOESN'T THINK IT'LL IT'LL UPHOLD, THEN THERE'S NO POINT IN ADDING IT TO THE DEFINITION. SO WE RAN IT BY THOSE DEPARTMENTS. WE ADDED A DEFINITION FOR CRYPTO MINING FACILITIES. SO A CRYPTO MINING FACILITY WE ARE NOT ALLOWING IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT, THERE'S ONE, I BELIEVE, IN THE TOWN OF TONAWANDA THAT HAS HAD A NUMBER OF ISSUES, FROM NOISE TO A WHOLE LIST OF OTHER ISSUES. SO WE'RE WE'RE PLANNING ON NOT ALLOWING THOSE IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. THEY'RE NOT A PERMITTED USE IN M3, BUT WE WANTED TO ADD A DEFINITION TO IT, BECAUSE IF WE'RE PUTTING IT IN OUR IN OUR ZONING CODE, WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE A DEFINITION SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ALLOW. AND THEN FOR THE REST OF THE GI DISTRICT, ALL OF THE ACCESSORY USES, ALL OF THE LIMITATIONS, THE LOT SIZE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, THOSE ARE STAYING THE SAME. THE ONLY THING THAT IS CHANGING IS IN THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF BUILDINGS. FOR THE GI DISTRICT, YOU'LL SEE UNDER 280 135. THERE SHALL BE NO MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT IN THE GI DISTRICT, BUT BUILDINGS OVER 50FT IN HEIGHT WILL REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO THAT IS DIFFERENT. CURRENTLY IN THE M3 DISTRICT RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS ON MAXIMUM HEIGHT. WE'RE ADDING THAT IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO OVER 50FT IN THE GI OR M3 DISTRICT, THAT IT WILL REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THIS BOARD. THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I JUST THREW AT EVERYONE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, ANYTHING YOU NEED ME TO CLARIFY? ANY SUGGESTIONS? REVISIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. JOSH. YEP. NURSERY SCHOOLS AND DAYCARE CENTERS JUST SEEMS ODD IN THAT GROUPING OF. THINGS THAT GENERAL INDUSTRIAL USES. RIGHT. SO THAT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD CARRIED OVER, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THAT USE ADDED IT WAS ADDED IN 1993 AND IT'S BEEN IN M3 SINCE THEN. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CARRIED OVER. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SUGGEST TO THE TOWN BOARD. IF THIS BOARD DOES NOT FEEL THAT IT IS AN APPROPRIATE USE AS A REMINDER, IT NEEDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY RIGHT. BUT I DO NOT DISAGREE THAT IT DOES NOT REALLY FIT WITH THE OTHER USES IN THIS AREA. ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON REMOVING IT? ANY THOUGHTS ON JUST THAT USE IN GENERAL? THIS IS MEMBER SHIMURA I. I FULLY SUPPORT REMOVING IT AS A SOMEWHAT ACCEPTABLE USE WITHIN THE DISTRICT. IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? I. I WOULD SECOND THIS IS MEMBER VALENTI. I WOULD SECOND MEMBER SHIMURA ON THAT. AND THEN I JUST HAVE A HANDFUL OF OTHER KIND OF FEEDBACK. SURE. SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR TAKING ON THESE BIG THREE BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY HOT TOPICS AND VERY DANGEROUS. IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR BATTERY STORAGE, AT LEAST NOT IN 347. SO WE HAVE THE TOWN HAS A BATTERY BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM LAW THAT HAS A DEFINITION FOR THESE SYSTEMS AND HAS REQUIREMENTS AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT STANDARDS. SO I ADDED IT TO I ADDED IT TO THIS GI DISTRICT AS A USE THAT NEEDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BASED OFF OF WE ALREADY HAVING A LAW THAT WAS DONE IN 2021. OKAY. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, CAN YOU GIVE US ANY LIGHT INTO THE ZONING ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS? WHO DOES THESE THINGS? THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHY ALLOW BATTERY STORAGE AND DATA CENTERS, BUT NOT CRYPTO MINING? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE BECAUSE WE HAVE A PREEXISTING BATTERY STORAGE LAW. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A PREEXISTING BATTERY STORAGE LAW, THE AI DATA CENTERS. THAT'S. SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST US PROPOSING IT. IT HAS IT CAN BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED OFF OF OUR EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH DATA CENTERS. THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT STANDARD WITH THEIR PLANNING BOARD. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE KEEPING OUR PULSE ON THE INDUSTRY. AND BECAUSE AI IS ONLY BECOMING BIGGER AND BIGGER, THERE ARE GOING TO BE COMPANIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR INDUSTRIAL SPACE. AND WE WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. SO WE DID ADD IT TO GI AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. IF THIS BOARD FEELS IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WANT TO REMOVE IT, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. BUT JUST SOME OF THE BACKGROUND ON WHY I ADDED IT IS BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A YOUTH THAT WILL THAT APPLICANTS WILL BE LOOKING TO DO. AND I DON'T WANT TO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS FOR IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE ONE OF THE WORST THINGS IS WHEN SOMEBODY PROPOSES A USE AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU HAVE ON THE BOOKS FOR IT. THAT'S WHEN WE USUALLY GET INTO TO SOME ISSUES. SO AGREED. I THINK ADDING IT WAS REALLY SMART. I JUST I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT. CRYPTOCURRENCY VERSUS DATA CENTERS, AND BLOCKCHAIN IS NOT NECESSARILY LIKE BLOCKCHAIN [00:35:03] IS THE WORST OF THE WORST, RIGHT. BUT DATA CENTERS HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME RISK. THEY HUM, THEY'RE LOUD, SUPERHEATED WATER, WATER USE, CONSUMPTIVE ENERGY. THEY'RE NOT BRINGING ON LIKE CRYPTO MINING CENTERS. BRING ON OFFLINE POWER PLANTS TO RUN THINGS BEHIND THE GRID. A DATA CENTER IS NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO DO THAT, BUT THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO ME. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP LIKE, I WOULD LOVE TO NOT HAVE DATA CENTERS, BUT I CAN SEE WHY FOR LIKE THE ECONOMY OF THE TOWN, I MIGHT GET OVERRULED. BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO KEEP IT, I THINK YOU'VE DONE THE BEST THING POSSIBLE TO ADD IT UNDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT EXTRA LAYER OF PROTECTION. RIGHT. WHAT'S THE DISCUSSION WITH THE GROUP? YEP. AT LENGTH, BECAUSE I FELT BECAUSE OF UNDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE WE HAD THE ABILITY TO PUT ON RESTRICTIONS OR TO LOOK AT IT WHEN IT CAME IN FRONT OF US. YEAH. YES. AND AS THE ADVOCATE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIGHT OF ALL OF THESE, RIGHT, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST THING THAT THE TOWN CAN, CAN DO. RIGHT. ONE ONE THOUGHT SLASH SUGGESTION I HAVE THAT I WANT TO BOUNCE OFF OF YOU GUYS IS FOR THE NEXT MEETING SPECIFIC TO AI DATA CENTERS. BECAUSE I AGREE WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE A BIG FAN OF THE USE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMING UP. BUT ONE THING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY DO BY REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HAVING A NUMBER OF STANDARDS. YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN SOME OF OUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT STANDARDS FOR THINGS LIKE CAR WASHES AND PRIVATE RENTAL STORAGE. HAVING A VERY EXHAUSTIVE AND COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF SOME CONDITIONS. DREW. AND I LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH DATA CENTERS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT FOR THOSE SPECIAL USE PERMIT STANDARDS, I WANT TO PUT TOGETHER AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST AND KIND OF BRING IT TO THIS BOARD. JUST TO HAVE YOU GUYS VETTED IN TERMS OF IF WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW DATA CENTERS AND JAI IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, I WANT TO BRING THOSE CONDITIONS TO THIS BOARD FIRST AS A RECOMMENDING BOARD BEFORE IT GOES TO THE TOWN BOARD TO SEE. ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON MAYBE WE SHOULD CHANGE THE ESTHETICS OR HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOME CONDITIONS ABOUT THE NOISE OR ANYTHING DOWN TO TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO GET A PROJECT OF THIS SORT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAKE IT AS AS GOOD OF A PROJECT AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT BRINGING TO THIS BOARD ON AUGUST 20TH, AS WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THESE ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS TO KIND OF HAVE YOU GUYS VETTED OUT AND GIVE ME YOUR IDEAS AND YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, AS AS THE BOARD IN AGREEMENT TO SEEING THAT, TAKING A LOOK AT IT. YES. OKAY. JOSH. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ONE MORE. JOSH SINCE SINCE THERE IS. WHAT DO I WANT? HOW DO I WANT TO SAY THIS? CAN YOU ADD A REFERENCE TO THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM LAW SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE LOOKS AT JUST SECTION 280, THEY HAVE A CROSS SITE AND THEY'RE NOT LIKE, WHY ISN'T THIS DEFINED? LIKE THEY KNOW THAT THAT SEPARATE ONE EXISTS? YEP. SO LIKE IN 281 33. 2BG KIND OF LIKE HOW WE HAVE SOMETIMES IT'LL SAY LIKE C AND THEN WE REFERENCE THE NUMBER OR WE REFERENCE THE ACTUAL SECTION SO THAT WHEN YOU GO TO IT AND YOU CLICK ON IT, IT HAS TO REFERENCE BACK TO THAT LAW. YEAH WE CAN DO THAT. JUST SOME, SOME KIND OF CROSS SITE. YEAH. WHEREVER APPROPRIATE WOULD BE BEST. OKAY. AND THOSE ARE ALL OF THE ADDITIONS TO THE GI DISTRICT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO STOP SAYING M2 AND M3 AND LI AND GI, BUT THOSE ARE THE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS TO OUR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN. WERE THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYONE WANTED ME TO CLARIFY GO OVER AGAIN? ANY QUESTIONS? SUGGESTIONS? I AGAIN JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THIS WAS REALLY THOUGHTFUL AND FORWARD LOOKING, AND I THINK YOU WERE VERY SMART TO GET THESE THINGS INCLUDED. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL WORK ON THOSE SPECIAL USE PERMIT STANDARDS FOR AI DATA CENTERS. I WILL BRING THAT BACK TO THIS BOARD. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT THE REST OF THE REVISIONS ARE GOOD TO PUT IN THAT FORM OF A RECOMMENDATION TO GIVE TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS LOOKED AT THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AMENDMENTS AND IS COMFORTABLE WITH WITH THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY. YES, YES. AS LONG AS YOU REMOVE NURSERY SCHOOLS AND DAYCARES FROM GENERAL INDUSTRIAL WILL DO. THANKS. YEP. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO GIVE THE SCHEDULE OF WHAT I'M PLANNING FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS, AUGUST 20TH, WE'LL GO OVER LAKEVIEW COMMERCIAL AND WE'LL ALSO GO OVER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITIONS FOR AI DATA CENTERS. AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, I PLAN ON GOING OVER THE LITANY OF ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS, RANGING FROM EVERYTHING FROM CAR WASHES TO PRIVATE RENTAL STORAGE TO TOWNHOMES TO OUR R3 AND NC DISTRICTS. THERE'S A TON GOING ON. SO I WILL BRING THOSE AT A LATER DATE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD. JOSH, WE MAY WANT TO ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, PUT THAT IN A WORK IN THE MEETING INSTEAD OF IN THE WORK SESSION. OKAY. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE TIME THEN. YEAH. FOR THAT FOR THAT ONE FOR SURE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME [00:40:04] GUYS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU JOSH AS ALWAYS GREAT JOB. SO WE'RE STILL IN THE WORK SESSION AND I SEE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR PEEPS HERE. GENTLEMEN, JUST SO YOU KNOW THE MEETING STARTED AT 630 I SAW. THAT'S ALRIGHT IF YOU WANT TO COME ON UP AND THIS IS THE NEWTON ABBOT FIRE COMPANY REQUESTING A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR OF A PROPOSAL FOR A CONEX BOX BASED LIVE FIRE TRAINING FACILITY LOCATED AT 3426 ABBOT ROAD. SO, GENTLEMEN, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU USE THE MIC SO EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHING AT HOME CAN HEAR YOU. AND IF YOU CAN, START FROM THE BEGINNING AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE UP TO. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE A LIVE BURN FACILITY IN OUR REAR PARKING LOT OF OUR FIRE COMPANY, NEXT TO OUR CURRENT TRAINING BUILDING. DUE TO THE LACK OF ABILITY TO ACCESS THE COUNTY TRAINING FACILITIES, THIS WAS A HIGH PRIORITY NEED FOR US THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO. WE ARE LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS THE NEW YORK FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, AND TO BRING THESE BOXES AND THIS FACILITY TO OUR BACK PARKING LOT. HOW BIG IS THE BUILDING GOING TO BE? THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING SIMILAR LIKE THAT ON THE SCREEN. THREE STORIES, WHICH ARE EIGHT BY EIGHT. SO 24FT TALL AND 40FT LONG. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO OFFER? YEAH, YEAH. NOT NOT AT THE MOMENT. I THINK MAYBE YOU SHOULD EXPLAIN WHY IT'S AN ORCHARD PARK MAILING AND WHY YOU'RE IN FRONT OF THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD. WE'RE WE'RE A TOWN OF HAMBURG FIRE COMPANY. THE PROPERTY THAT WE WERE ON WAS ACTUALLY ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BECAUSE IT WAS AT ONE POINT, ORCHARD PARK, WHEN THEY MOVED ABBOT ROAD TO THE CURRENT LOCATION OF WHAT IT IS, WE BECAME TECHNICALLY AN ORCHARD PARK, AND THEN THAT WAS ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, BECAUSE WE WERE A TOWN OF HAMBURG FIRE COMPANY. SO THANK YOU. WE ARE CONTRACTED BY THE TOWN BOARD FOR FIRE PROTECTION SERVICES. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD? NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. PLANNING DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER? YES. SO LIKE THEY MENTIONED THERE, IF I CAN PULL UP THE MAP, THEIR THEIR PROPERTY IS WEIRD WHERE I THINK A CHUNK OF IT IS STILL TECHNICALLY IN THE TOWN OF ORCHARD PARK, BUT WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THEIR LIVE FIRE FACILITIES IN THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE BEFORE YOU. THEY'RE ALSO ZONED R-2, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW THIS TYPE OF USE. SO THEY'RE GOING BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD FOR A USE VARIANCE. BUT AS YOU GUYS KNOW, BEFORE THEY GO TO THE VARIANCE, THEY COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW. GET YOUR GUYS'S THOUGHTS FOR REFERRAL TO THE ZONING BOARD. THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING TO SEEK TWO AREA VARIANCES BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD. AND REALLY, OTHER THAN THAT, THEY JUST CAME HERE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS A FIRST LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO, AND THEN THEY WILL, WITH YOUR REFERRAL, GO TO THE ZONING BOARD IN SEPTEMBER JUST TO TOUCH ON OUR PROPERTY FOR A SECOND. AS YOU SAID, IT IS A VERY ODD PROPERTY WHERE THIS BUILDING WILL BE WILL ACTUALLY BE IN OUR LOWER PARKING LOT, WHICH IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 2 TO 300FT BELOW ABBOTT ROAD. AND IT IS THERE'S ONLY ONE HOME WITHIN 500FT OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. AND ANY OTHER OF THOSE HOMES ARE, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, 100 TO 150FT ABOVE US BECAUSE WE ARE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A GULLY WITH SMOKES CREEK THERE. SO IT'S REALLY NOT VISIBLE FROM ABBOTT ROAD AT ALL OR VERY, VERY MINIMAL AT MOST. AND IT REALLY WON'T BE VISIBLE TO ANY HOMES AS THEY'RE UP PRETTY HIGH AND COVERED BY BY TREE SITE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, THEIR PARCEL IS HERE. SO THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS EVERYTHING IN BLUE. BUT THEIR PARCEL WAS IN THE TOWN IS IN YELLOW. THAT'S THE R-2. AND THEN YOU SEE SOME OF THE PARCEL. THIS IS TECHNICALLY CONSIDERED THE TOWN OF ORCHARD PARK. SO IT'S REALLY WEIRD. BUT WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING IS SOMEWHERE LIKE IN HERE, RIGHT UP HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SMOKES CREEK ON THE ABBOTT ROAD SIDE OF SMOKES CREEK. OKAY, LET ME TURN UP THE ZONING. YEAH. SO IF YOU ZOOM IN, YOU CAN SEE THAT CONCRETE PAD ON OUR LOWER PARKING LOT, AND THAT'S. NOPE. OH, HERE. PLAN DOWN. GO DOWN TOWARDS ABBOTT. YEP. INSIDE THE. OH THE MOUSE IS. A LITTLE BIT MORE FORWARD. KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING RIGHT THERE. BASICALLY THAT THAT CONCRETE PAD IN THERE. THAT IS WHERE OUR CURRENT TRAINING BUILDING IS ON. AND THAT'S WHERE THE NEW ONE IS GOING TO GO ALSO. GOTCHA. SO HOW FAR FROM THE RESIDENCE WILL THAT BUILDING BE? THERE'S ONLY ONE RESIDENT WITHIN 500FT AND THEY ARE IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER BY THE TRAIN TRACKS. EVERY OTHER EVERY OTHER RESIDENT IS OVER 500FT AWAY. AND THE VARIANCES [00:45:08] BECAUSE IT'S NOT ZONED FOR THIS. IS THAT CORRECT? THE MAIN VARIANCE IS A USE VARIANCE BECAUSE THE USE IS NOT ALLOWED IN R-2 BECAUSE THEY ARE CONEX BOXES WHICH ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE TOWN. YEP. YEAH. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT WHAT THIS MEANS. LIKE WHAT IS THE CONEX BOX. WHAT DO YOU WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH WHAT KIND OF TRAINING? LIKE TELL US WHAT IT IS. ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU COULD GO BACK THERE. WE PROVIDED A PICTURE OF AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. I MEAN, AND I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW, LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? ARE YOU SETTING IT ON FIRE OR YOU JUST RUNNING UP IT WITH HEAVY ITEMS? YEP. SO THIS IS A THIS IS KIND OF AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. IT'S THEY'RE BASICALLY SHIPPING CONTAINERS. AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GET STACKED TOGETHER IN A CERTAIN WAY AND ADD DOORS AND WINDOWS INTO THEM TO TRY AND CREATE AS CLOSE TO POSSIBLE AS A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE OR EVEN A COMMERCIAL USE, LIKE COULD COUNCIL APARTMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, APARTMENT COMPLEXES. SO WHAT IT WILL BE, THERE WILL BE CERTAIN ROOMS INSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO CREATE A LIVE FIRE SITUATION. SO INSIDE OF CERTAIN ROOMS, NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING, THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING WILL NEVER BE LIT ON FIRE, BUT CERTAIN ROOMS INSIDE WILL HAVE A FIRE INSIDE OF IT TO PRACTICE HOSE LINE STRETCHING, SEARCHING, YOU KNOW, SEARCHING FOR VICTIMS, HOSE LINE ADVANCEMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT INSIDE ACTUAL FIRE CONDITIONS TO SEE ACTUAL HEAT, ACTUAL SMOKE CONDITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S NO ACTUAL FIRE ON THE OUTSIDE IN TERMS OF SMOKE. SMOKE 99% OF THE TIME GOES STRAIGHT UP. IF THERE IS A SLIGHT WIND, IT WILL SLOWLY, GRADUALLY GO ACROSS ABBOT ROAD. WE OFTENTIMES DO CAR FIRES AND BUS FIRES BELOW THERE, AND WE'VE NEVER ONCE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT FOR IN TERMS OF SMOKE CAUSING A DISTRACTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE DO NOTIFY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG DISPATCH THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A TRAINING EVOLUTION THAT NIGHT. JUST SO IF CALLS DO COME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GETTING FALSE CALLS AND FALSE THINGS COMING THROUGH. THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVEN'T AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON ON THAT, ON THAT WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC RULES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH. NFPA 1403. AND WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BURN CERTAIN ITEMS, AND THAT'S MOSTLY HAY AND PALLETS, NOTHING ADDITIONAL PAST THAT. AND HOW OFTEN ARE YOU ANTICIPATING DOING TRAINING EVENTS? ONCE A MONTH. BETWEEN THE MONTHS OF APRIL AND NOVEMBER. AND IS IT ONLY FOR THIS FIRE STATION THAT OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE OTHER STATIONS THAT COME IN FOR THE TRAINING? SO THIS IS MAINLY GOING TO BE FOR US. HOWEVER, WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE TOWN, THE TOWN OF ORCHARD PARK AND WITH US PARTNERING WITH THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR, THEY WOULD COME IN FOR THE WEEKEND. IT'S A TWO DAY CLASS THAT THEY WOULD PUT ON THAT WOULD BRING ADDITIONAL FIRE COMPANIES OR MEMBERS OF THOSE FIRE COMPANIES TO COME IN FOR TRAININGS. SO I THINK THAT THE PARKING SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS WELL. HOW MUCH PARKING IS AVAILABLE ON THE PROPERTY FOR THOSE TYPE OF TRAINING SESSIONS? IF YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP, THE GIS MAP, WE HAVE A VERY LARGE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK LOT. ALL THAT THAT BACK THERE IS BLACKTOP AND THAT IS AN ENTIRE PARKING LOT. THE ONLY SPOT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT ON IS THAT CONCRETE PAD JUST BELOW WHERE THE MOUSE IS POINTING. SO WHERE THE MOUSE'S IS, OUR PARKING LOT. AND THEN JUST BELOW THAT. JOSH. RIGHT. JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER LOWER. RIGHT. RIGHT THERE. THAT RIGHT THERE IS GOING TO BE THE CONCRETE PAD IN WHICH WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT THIS ON. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE'S AN EXISTING CONCRETE PAD WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE AN EXISTING TRAINING FACILITY. RIGHT. BUT IT'S ALSO COMBUSTIBLE. CORRECT. WE CANNOT BURN IN IT. IT IS IT IS USED FOR WHAT WE CONSIDER COLD SMOKE. RIGHT. AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING TO THEN PLACE THESE THIS CONNECTS LIVE FIRE TRAINING FACILITY ON THE CONCRETE PAD. CORRECT. SO THEREFORE THERE ARE NO OTHER ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT OF OUT OF COUNT BECAUSE THAT PAD IS CONSIDERED TO BE YOUR TRAINING AREA. RIGHT? SO CORRECT. DOES THAT CLARIFY? YEP. DUE TO THE SMOKE, ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO NEED ANY PERMITS OR APPROVALS FROM DC? OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. AND SO THIS IS EXCLUSIVELY A TRAINING FACILITY WHICH MEANS YOU ARE YOU USING FIREFIGHTING FOAM TO PUT OUT THE FIRES. NO. OKAY COOL. BECAUSE I WAS GOING YOU'RE SLOPING INTO SMOKE'S CREEK AND WE'VE GOT IT'S PFAS FREE REGARDLESS IF IT'S A TRAINING BUT YOU'RE USING WATER. WE'RE USING WATER. OH OKAY. COOL. SPECIFICALLY WATER. AND THAT'S IT. NO, NO FOAM WILL BE USED INSIDE THIS BUILDING. OH, THAT MAKES ME FEEL SO MUCH BETTER. YES. GREAT. I ACTUALLY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BACK IN MICHIGAN, I WENT THROUGH THE AMBASSADORS, AND THEY TAKE YOU THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND WE WENT THROUGH THE TRAINING, AND THEY HAVE A BUILDING SIMILAR TO THIS. AND THEY WE HAD TO DO IT TO THEY TEST TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE DARK WHEN YOU'RE [00:50:07] RECOVERING A BODY AND HOW MUCH SMOKE IS COMING IN. SO IT'S, IT'S AN, AN INCREDIBLE TRAINING PROGRAM AND IT'S PRETTY INTENSE. I DIDN'T HAVE A PASS OR FAIL, BUT I BARELY SURVIVED IT BECAUSE THE EQUIPMENT IS HEAVIER THAN ANYTHING. SO. BUT IT IT REALLY IT REALLY DOES EARN THE RESPECT OF THE CITIZENS WHEN THEY SEE WHAT YOU GUYS GO THROUGH IN THE TRAINING PART, BECAUSE THEN WHEN IT'S REAL LIVE, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. AND I MEAN, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY AFTER IF THIS EVER GETS APPROVED. AND WHAT YOU GUYS OUT FOR ONE NIGHT OF TRAINING TO SEE HOW WE OPERATE AND HOW WE HANDLE THESE THINGS? YEAH, IT SHOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. EVERYBODY SHOULD SEE IT BECAUSE IT REALLY IT IT REALLY SHOULD BECAUSE IT'S AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE AND IT GIVES YOU A WHOLE DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES AND WHAT THEY'RE FACED IN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET THAT EQUIPMENT ON AND THOSE FACE MASKS AND THE OXYGEN AND IT'S 90 DEGREES OUT AND YOU DON'T DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO I MEAN, AND I DID SO AND I JUST IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE FOR ME. IT'S IT REALLY CHANGED MY WHOLE VIEW. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS. TO THE ZBA, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THIS IS THE CHAIR AND I FOR ME, I'M 100% IN FAVOR OF IT BASED ON THE FACT. FOR THIS REASON IT'S GOING ON AN EXISTING PAD. IT'S NOT HAVING ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY. IT'S NOT GOING TO DEPLETE ANY KIND OF PARKING. IT'S NOT CLOSE TO ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL. THE APPLICANT CLARIFIED THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY EXPOSURE FOR SMOKE, WHAT THEY'RE USING TO PUT OUT THE FIRES. SO THAT'S THOSE ARE MY REASONS ON WHY I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER MEMBERS? I'M ALSO FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. MY SON IS A JUNIOR FIREFIGHTER WITH THE VILLAGE OF HAMBURG FIRE DEPARTMENT. I ALSO WORK FOR AN ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING FIRM WHERE WE SPECIALIZE IN PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING PROJECTS. I CURRENTLY HAVE A PORTFOLIO OF ABOUT A DOZEN DIFFERENT FIRE DEPARTMENTS, POLICE STATION, PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS WHERE WHEN YOU'RE GETTING A TRAINING FACILITY FOR 150,000, COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE DESIGNING TRAINING TOWERS FOR A MILLION WITH ALL THE APPARATUS. THIS IS A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT JUST THIS FIRE COMPANY, BUT ALSO FOR OUR REGION AND THE ABILITY THAT YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO ALSO LEVERAGE YOUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER COMPANIES STATEWIDE TO THEN BRING IN AND ALLOW FOR THE EXPOSURE TO NOT JUST YOUR FIRE COMPANY, BUT ORCHARD PARK, HAMBURG. ALL THE SURROUNDINGS, I THINK IS A GREAT ASSET. SO I ALSO FULLY, FULLY SUPPORT. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DO HAVE ONE HERE DESIGNED THAT WOULD BE A NON CONVEX BOX FACILITY. IT WAS $849,000. SO I MEAN THE COST SAVINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THESE CONEX BOXES IS IMMENSE. YEAH. AND CHAIR I'LL ADD FOR THE RECORD THAT SMOKES CREEK IS A 303 D DEGRADED WATERWAY. BUT THEY'RE NOT USING FIREFIGHTING FOAM. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY WORRIES ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THIS WATER BODY IN THE RUNOFF. OKAY. THIS IS MEMBER MEMBER RYAN. I FULLY SUPPORT THIS. AGAIN. I HAVE A NEPHEW WHO'S A FIREFIGHTER BACK IN WATERVLIET, NEW YORK, AND I THINK THIS IS AMAZING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. MEMBER I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT WERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY RETIRED BUFFALO FIREFIGHTERS AND I WAS CONSIDERED THEM WALKING. EINSTEIN'S WHAT THEY KNOW TO FIGHT A FIRE. NO, GUYS I ALSO CARE ABOUT OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND I SUPPORT THEM. GOSH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THINK WE GOT THAT ALL COVERED. SO YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE ZBA. AND WHEN IS THE NEXT ZBA MEETING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SEPTEMBER 2ND, AND THEN THEY'LL BE BACK HERE, AND THEN THEY WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. BEFORE THIS BOARD. DO WE HAVE THEM ON THE AGENDA IN SEPTEMBER? I CAN ADD THEM. WELL, IT'S ALL IT'S ALWAYS DEPENDENT ON THE ZBA. HOPEFULLY ZBA DOES APPROVE THEM, BUT JUST DEPENDING ON THAT, I'M REQUESTING THAT YOU PENCIL THEM IN FOR AFTER THIS. FOR THE 1ST SEPTEMBER, IT WILL BE THE NEXT DAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD. WOULD YOU BE READY IF ONCE YOU'RE APPROVED FROM THE ZBA TO COME BACK HERE? I JUST WANT TO GET WITH JOSH AFTER THIS MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT I HAVE WHATEVER HE WHAT WHAT ELSE WE NEED. AND THEN I THINK WE COULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE READY. IF NOT, OBVIOUSLY, I'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE ALL SET. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. GOOD LUCK. OKAY. WE ARE A LITTLE BEHIND THIS EVENING, HOWEVER, WE ARE GOING TO START OUR REGULAR MEETING FOR TONIGHT. OH, BEFORE I DO THAT, I HAVE TO DO. WE [00:55:09] COULD DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I'LL RISE. I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, SO I'M CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND I'M ASKING MEMBERS TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. WILLIAM CLERK, ABSENT AND EXCUSED. KATELYN SHIMURA, PRESENT. KIM. RYAN. PRESENT. AUGIE GERACI PRESENT. CINDY GROENEKAN PRESENT. KATELYN MCCORMICK ABSENT AND EXCUSED. MARGO VALENTE HERE. SO WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OUT THIS EVENING, [1. Public Hearing – 7:00 P.M., Dave Manko – Requesting Preliminary Plat Approval of a 2-lot subdivision to be located on a portion of land at Parker Road and 4825 Big Tree Road] BUT WE STILL HAVE QUORUM. AND STARTING OUR REGULAR MEETING, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DAVID MANKO, WHO'S REQUESTING A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON A PORTION OF LAND AT PARKER ROAD AND 4825 BIG TREE ROAD. MR. MANKO HAS BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START, WE WOULD MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. WELL GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAVID MANKO. YES. AND I'M HERE FOR THIS EVENING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED ON THE PORTION OF LAND OF PARKER ROAD. THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY WAS 4825 VICTORY ROAD, AND THE TWO PARCELS IN QUESTION ARE THE 35 ACRES, APPROXIMATELY THE LAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE FOR A SUBDIVISION. AND THEN THE ORIGINAL HOMESTEAD OWNED BY THE LANDOWNER HAVE TO BE SUBDIVIDED INTO TWO PARCELS IN ORDER FOR US TO CLOSE ON THE LAND. AND SO WE HAD TO COME FORWARD FOR THIS FORMALITY TO GET THE APPROVAL FOR THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION AND THAT. YEP. THAT SHOWS THE PARCEL, THE BROWN PARCEL, AND THEN THE BLUE PARCEL OF LAND, THE BLUE BEING FOR THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION, AND THE BROWN WOULD BE THE LAND LEFT TO THE LANDOWNER AFTER THE SALE. SO WHAT WE'RE CLARIFYING IS THAT THE BLUE IS BEING SUBDIVIDED FROM THE BROWN. YES. SO I HAVE THE I HAVE THE PARCEL UP ON THE SCREEN. IT'S BLUE BECAUSE I HAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED, THE C3, WHICH IS IN THE RED, IS BEING SUBDIVIDED FROM THIS IS ACTUALLY YELLOW, WHICH IS R1, AND THE C3 ACTUALLY FOLLOWS THE CREEK. SO I BELIEVE THE SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO FOLLOW IN LINE WITH THE CREEK WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE IN THE C3 PORTION AS WELL. RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. YES. SO THAT'S WOULD BE DOWN ON THAT RIGHT HAND CORNER. I DON'T THINK WE GO AS DEEP WHERE THE BLUE FADES INTO THAT RIGHT RIGHT FRONT CORNER THERE. IT'S MORE OF A STRAIGHT LINE COMING ACROSS THERE. SO WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT CREEK LINE BUT. RIGHT. YEAH. BUT YEAH. AND THEN I WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE I KNOW I GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. ONE COMMENT THAT I FORWARDED TO THE BOARD AHEAD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT THIS SUBDIVISION DOES NOT RELATE TO THE OVERALL PARKER MINCO SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS UNDER THE EIS PROCESS BEFORE THIS BOARD. THIS IS SEPARATE OUTSIDE OF THAT PROJECT. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. YEP. I THINK WE CLARIFIED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING THOUGH AS WELL. OKAY. SO A PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION ON HOW YOU ARE IMPACTED BY THE PROJECT. A THREE MINUTE RULE WILL APPLY. IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. ALL STATEMENTS MADE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, AS WELL AS WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THE PROJECT SENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT AND MEMBER. SHIMURA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE NOTICE? SURE. LEGAL NOTICE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY DAVE MANGO, TO BE LOCATED ON A PORTION OF LAND AT PARKER ROAD, AND 4825 BIG TREE ROAD. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 6TH, 2025 AT 7:00 PM IN ROOM 7A/7B OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A SEAT WHILE WE PROCEED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS CASE BEFORE US? I JUST WANT TO ASK IF THE BOARD WAS IN RECEIPT OF THE ONE COMMENT THAT I FORWARDED TO THE BOARD. JUST FOR THE RECORD, MAYBE WE SHOULD READ IT AS PART OF THE RECORD. I CAN, IF YOU WANT ME TO. OH, IT'S VERY LONG. I'M SORRY. NEVER MIND. I'LL JUST NOTE THAT IT'S BEEN ADDED TO THE TO PART OF THE RECORD. YEAH. AND [01:00:04] I WILL JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD IT WAS FROM SHERRY EVANS. SHE LIVES AT JOHN MICHAEL WAY. SHE SENT AN EMAIL TO THE BOARD. I FORWARDED IT TO THE BOARD. THEY RECEIVED IT. AND WE'RE JUST ACKNOWLEDGING IT AS A PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING RECORD. OKAY. THANK YOU. SECOND CALL FOR ANYONE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR 4825 BIG TREE ROAD. THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR 4825 BIG TREE ROAD. DAVID MANKO REQUESTING PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION. SEEING NONE, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLANNING DEPARTMENT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO OFFER AT THIS POINT? AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE WERE AUTHORIZED TO PRODUCE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS FOR THIS BOARD'S CONSIDERATION. I HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN AND EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A HARD COPY. OTHER THAN THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENT. BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS, ANY CONCERNS, ANY ADDITIONS TO THE RESOLUTION? NO. MEMBER. JERRY SAYS NO. ANYONE ELSE? ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS ARE NOT WARRANTED? SINCE WE DID NOT HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS? JUST MAKING SURE. I'VE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME DOWN THIS ROAD. CORRECT? OKAY, SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS FOR WAIVERS OR CONDITIONS ON THIS SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE SOMEONE TO? MAKE THE MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION DAVE MANGO TWO LOT SUBDIVISION, PARKER ROAD AND 4825 BIG TREE ROAD. NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS. SEEKER. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE SECRET LAW, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY DAVE MANGO TO BE LOCATED ON A PORTION OF LAND AT PARKER ROAD, AND 4825 BIG TREE ROAD. BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND REVIEW OF THE SUBMITTED MATERIALS AND INPUT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND THAT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS HEREBY ISSUED AND THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE EAF, WHICH WILL ACT AS NEGATIVE DECLARATION. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MEMBER SHIMURA. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND THE MOTION. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I ANY OPPOSED? SO THERE'S NO OPPOSED AND THERE'S NO OPPOSITION. SORRY. OPPOSED. LISTEN TO ME. YOU'RE REALLY. IT'S A NEW WORD. PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL. THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR THE DAVE MANGO TWO LOT SUBDIVISION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS ONE. THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IS NOT WARRANTED. FINALLY, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WAIVES THE COMPLETION OF A FINAL PLAT, AND THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD CHAIR IS AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. ONCE THE TOWN ENGINEER SIGNS OFF ON THE PLAT. BEFORE ANYBODY MOVES ON THIS, I HAVE A QUESTION. SHOULD WE PUT SOMETHING IN HERE THAT THIS IS TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THAT SUBDIVISION, OR THAT ANY COMMENT ABOUT THAT I HAD? NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO. NO, NO, NO I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK THIS THIS RESOLUTION COVERS IT AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO JUST MENTION ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OTHER ONE BEING THROUGH THE EIS PROCESS. WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. OKAY. SORRY, I JUST I WANTED IT ON THE RECORD, THOUGH, IF I MAY QUICKLY ATTORNEY JOSEPH GOGAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SURVEY AND I'M LOOKING AT THE DIMENSIONS FROM THE CENTER LINE OF BIG TREE TO THE PROPOSED SOUTH SIDE OF LOT ONE, AND IT SHOWS THAT IT'S 300FT. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE GIS MAP, 300FT APPEARS TO GO RIGHT THROUGH ONE OF THE GARAGES. IS THERE A IS THERE A ONE OF THE STRUCTURES OF THE OF THE LOT IN THE FRONT? IS THERE A MAP THAT SHOWS THAT PROPOSED LOT LINE OVERLAYING THE PROPERTY? SURVEY? OKAY, IF I MAY QUICKLY. JOSH, JUST SHOWING UP WHAT I'M [01:05:04] SEEING, I'M SEEING THE PROPOSED LOT LINE HERE 300FT FROM THE CENTER LINE OF BIG TREE ROAD. WHEN I GO TO THE GIS MAP AND I LOOK AT 300FT, 300FT FROM THE CENTER LINE OF BIG TREE ROAD IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE STRUCTURES. IT DOESN'T EXTEND FAR ENOUGH BACK, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE SURVEY IS ACCURATE TO COVER THOSE STRUCTURES OR GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CREEK. I KNOW SOMEBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT THE SURVEY THAT'S IN THE IN THE DOCUMENTS AND AN ACTUAL AERIAL GIS MAP OF THE OF THE STRUCTURES. DOES THAT SHOW ON WHAT YOU HAD UP EARLIER? SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A SURVEY AND WE HAVE THE ACTUAL PLAT SHOWING THE SPLIT, BUT IT'S NOT OVERLAID ONTO LIKE AN AERIAL. SO IT'S JUST IT'S LIKE THAT BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE. IS THAT THERE? THE ONLY QUESTION IS DOES THE AERIAL VIEW HAVE. RIGHT. BUT IF I THIS THIS LINE HERE IS SHOWING 300FT FROM THE CENTER LINE TO THIS BACK LINE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL VIEW, THE CREEK IS MUCH FURTHER THAN 300FT. AND THERE'S AND THERE'S AND THERE'S STRUCTURES HERE. SO THAT THAT PROPERTY LINE APPEARS TO BE GOING THROUGH STRUCTURES. SO FROM FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, 300FT GOES LIKE RIGHT THROUGH HERE, WHICH IS THERE'S STRUCTURES. I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT SHOWS THE CREEK AND THE STRUCTURES, BECAUSE THE SURVEY THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T SHOW THE STRUCTURES. AND WHERE'S THE CREEK ON THAT PICTURE? RIGHT BEHIND THE HOUSES. RIGHT. AND WITH THE DRAWING THAT WE HAVE, IT SHOWS LIKE IT GOES JUST BEFORE THAT LINE GOES JUST BEFORE THE CREEK. YEAH. WE RECENTLY DO YOU WANT TO COME UP, PLEASE? YES. WE JUST RECENTLY WALKED THIS WITH THE DECK ADMINISTRATOR. AND THAT CREEK DOES MEANDER IN AND OUT AND IN AND OUT. IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT LINE CREEK ALL THE WAY THROUGH. RIGHT? CHRIS WOODS IS THE DESIGNER OF THIS. I'VE NEVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM REGARDING THIS MATTER. DO YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IN TIME? I THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT CHRIS WOULD HAVE TO ADJUST. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF SOMETHING HAD TO BE ADJUSTED OR A BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN IN ORDER TO. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. THERE'S AN OLD THERE'S AN OLD, OLD BARN IN THE BACK THAT'S ABOUT IT, A DILAPIDATED BARN. BUT THERE IS NO LIKE, STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE THAT YOU CAN PHYSICALLY LIVE IN OR USE. RIGHT? YEAH. SO IF THE IF THE PROPERTY LINE WENT THROUGH THAT BUILDING, IT'S FEASIBLE THAT THAT BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S DILAPIDATED WOULD COME DOWN. COME DOWN. CORRECT. IN THE MEANTIME, YOUR TITLE DEFECTS ARE ENCROACHMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS WHICH, WHICH PARCEL, WHO'S BEING WHAT'S WHAT'S THE INTENT OF DOING THE SUBDIVISION? BECAUSE SOMEBODY OWNS THAT PARCEL ALONG BIG TREE. YEAH, THE LANDOWNER OWNS THE PARCEL. THE LANDOWNER THAT WE'RE BUYING THE LAND FROM OWNS THE PARCEL ON BIG TREE ROAD. YES. IS HE AWARE THAT IT'S CUTTING THROUGH STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY? WHEN YOU SAY MULTIPLE STRUCTURES OR JUST ONE STRUCTURE, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I CAN'T TELL BECAUSE THERE IS NO DRAWING OR SURVEY THAT SHOWS THAT PROPOSED PROPERTY LINE WITH THE STRUCTURES. OKAY, WELL, WE'VE GOT PILES AND PILES OF PLANS THAT WE'VE TURNED IN. I THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE'S EVER SAID ANYTHING DOESN'T DOESN'T MEAN I UNDERSTAND ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, I'M VERY CRUDE, BUT THERE'S A SCALE ON MY MAP THAT SHOWS 200 AND 300FT. IF I TAKE IT FROM THE CENTER LINE OF BIG TREE ROAD, 300FT IS ON THE. 300FT IS ON THIS SIDE OF THAT STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T HAVE A LINE RUN THROUGH A BUILDING? NO. OLD DILAPIDATED. THAT'S NOT MY POSITION TO SAY. I'M JUST ADDRESSING TO THE BOARD THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE BOARD. I DON'T MAKE DECISIONS. I JUST PRESENT THE INFORMATION THAT I THINK MIGHT BE A PROBLEM FOR THEM TO ADDRESS. OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO? WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE AT THIS POINT? SO ARE YOU SAYING, I MEAN, BECAUSE IF THEY DID, THE SPLIT, IS THIS ALREADY [01:10:04] REGISTERED WITH THE COUNTY, THOUGH, OR. IT'S. NO, IT'S GOING TO BE REGISTERED AFTER WE AFTER WE. BUT HE'S NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER. I UNDERSTAND HE'S THERE. OKAY. SO CAN THE PROPERTY OWNER COME ON UP HERE. SIR. SO BASED ON OUR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS AN AERIAL? WELL, ANYTHING THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED LAW WITH THE STRUCTURES, OKAY, OR THE OR THE CREEK. I MEAN, WHICH WHICH PARCEL IS THAT CREEK GOING TO BE ON? WELL, ENTIRELY ON OR IS IT GOING TO BE HAPPY? JOSH, YOU, JOSH, YOU FIRST SHOWED US WHAT WAS THE FIRST MAP YOU SHOWED US WHEN YOU SAID WE'RE SEPARATING THE BROWN FROM THE BLUE? WHICH GIS MAP WAS THAT? THAT WAS OFF OF THE TOWN GIS WHICH USES ERIE COUNTY DATA. BUT IF WE GO BACK TO THAT MAP, THOSE PARCELS ARE DRAWN ALONG THE CREEK BECAUSE THEY YOU. SO IT DOESN'T MATCH THE SURVEY. IF THE SURVEY IS A STRAIGHT LINE, OBVIOUSLY CORRECT. CORRECT. WHICH TO BOTH OF YOUR POINTS AND TO GIVE YOU SOME HELP HERE, CINDY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE DO WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SUBDIVIDE A PROPERTY UNTIL THEY HAVE A PROPER SURVEY AND LEGAL DESCRIPTION AND THEN THEY TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY. BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT OUR THAT'S THAT'S THEIR NEXT STEP. BUT THEY STILL DON'T HAVE AN APPROPRIATE SHOWING OF WHAT THE SPLIT IS FOR US TO REVIEW. YEAH. THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE A REAL ESTATE CLOSING UNLESS WE HAVE A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION. THEN THE NEXT STEP IS TO HAVE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS THAT WOULD BE FILED AT THE COUNTY, AND OBVIOUSLY THE CORRECT LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE. BUT WOULDN'T A SURVEY TAKE PLACE FIRST? WELL, YOU HAVE TO CREATE A SURVEY THEN TO CREATE A LEGAL DESCRIPTION. THAT IS CORRECT. SO WOULDN'T THE SURVEY BE DONE FIRST AND THEN THE SURVEY WOULD. AND THEY DO HAVE A SURVEY SHOWING THE LOT ONE AND LOT TWO. THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S NO THE SURVEY DOESN'T HAVE THE STRUCTURES OR THE OR THE CREEK. YEAH. IN YOUR IN YOUR FORMAT IT DOESN'T REQUEST A LIKE AN AS BUILT SURVEY. IT ONLY REQUIRES A SURVEY RIGHT TO BE FILED. THAT'S IT. SO MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES THIS AFFECT HOW DOES KNOWING THIS PIECE OF INFORMATION AFFECT US? THE ISSUES WITH SETBACKS WITH. YES. SO WELL, THE CREEK AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND SO FAR THE CREEK IS IN THE WETLAND AREA. NOTHING CAN BE BUILT WITHIN 100FT OF THE CREEK. SO IF THERE WAS AN EXISTING BUILDING OR A BARN THAT IS FALLING DOWN IN THAT AREA, NOTHING COULD EVER BE BUILT THERE ANYWAYS BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CLEANED UP AND HAULED ALL THE WAY UP OFF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS NO OTHER STRUCTURES OTHER THAN UP BY THE HOUSE. THERE'S AN EXISTING BARN, ANOTHER HAY BARN, AND MAYBE A COUPLE LITTLE GARAGE WITH THE HOUSE, BUT THERE IS AN OLD STRUCTURE BARN THAT'S THREE QUARTERS OF IT IS LEANING ON AN ANGLE, HALF ON THE GROUND AND COLLAPSED. THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE PIECE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. I THINK FOR WELL, FOR THIS BOARD TO ACTUALLY APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION, WE NEED AN ACCURATE SURVEY. AND I JUST MAPPED OUT FROM THE SO IT SAYS ON ON THE SURVEY FROM THE CENTER LINE OF BIG TREE ROAD. AND IT SHOWS 300FT IS WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO SPLIT THE PROPERTY. YEAH. IF YOU USE THE GIS MAP FROM THE CENTER LINE OF BIG TREE ROAD AND YOU DO 300FT, AND YOU WERE TO SPLIT IT, THAT VERY BACK PARCEL, THAT VERY BACK STRUCTURE, WHATEVER IT IS, BARN, GARAGE, WHATEVER IT IS, WOULD BE CUT OFF FROM THAT SUBDIVISION AND WOULDN'T BE IT WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN IT. MY RECOMMENDATION. BUT I THINK WE NEED A, A NEW ANOTHER SURVEY, SAME SURVEY. IF YOU HAVE THE SAME SERVER THAT'S FINE. BUT WITH AN AERIAL OVERLAY JUST SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE THE SPLIT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE YOU WANT THE SPLIT TO FOLLOW THE CREEK, BUT THE SURVEY THAT WE HAVE VERSUS WHAT OUR GIS SHOWS IS NOT IT'S NOT MATCHING UP BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN. I JUST DID WHAT WAS REQUESTED UNDER YOUR. WELL, I HIRED RAYMOND PETERSON TO PROVIDE A SURVEY. I PROVIDED TWO LEGAL SURVEYS FOR SUBMISSION TONIGHT. IF I GO TO CLOSE AND THE BUILDING IS ON OUR PROPERTY AND IT'S GOT TO GET CLEANED UP, WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN IT UP AND GET IT OFF OUR PROPERTY. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO BUILD ANYTHING. IF YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING THERE. RIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING CAN BE BUILT IN THAT AREA AT ALL. SO THIS IS AGAIN, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION. HOW DOES THIS NEGATIVELY IMPACT CAN WE PUT A CONDITION ON HERE? I MEAN, WE HAVE THE MEASUREMENTS. WE HAVE A SURVEY. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT TO THAT. SO AND IF THE IF THIS BUILDING IS THE ONLY BUILDING THAT'S, THAT'S STANDING IN THE WAY OF THIS DISCUSSION AND THE BUILDING IS DILAPIDATED AND, AND I'VE BEEN OUT THERE MANY TIMES, THE BUILDING IS DILAPIDATED. DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING BEFORE WE [01:15:05] APPROVE THIS? CAN WE PUT THAT AS A CONDITION SO IT WOULD SO THE PROPERTY WOULD BE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? ABSOLUTELY. THEN I THINK BOARD MEMBERS, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN THAT THE BUILDING IS NOT MY WORRY BECAUSE THEY CAN SORT OUT THAT KIND OF ENCUMBRANCE AT CLOSING. YEAH. IT'S YOUR BIKE PLEASE. THE. SO THIS IS MEMBER VALENTE. THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAN SORT OUT ANY KIND OF ENCUMBRANCE AT CLOSING. SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE BUILDING. OKAY. I'M CONFUSED NOW ON WHERE 300FT DOES OR DOES NOT MEET THE CREEK. AND WE HAVE A CREEK THAT MEANDERS AND A SURVEY THAT SHOWS STRAIGHT LINES. SO IF THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE CREEK, THEN THE SURVEY THAT IS INCORRECT. THE PROPERTY LINE IS NOT THE CREEK. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. THE PROPERTY LINE IS A STRAIGHT LINE. IT'S ABOVE THE CREEK 300FT. AND WHAT HAPPENS? THE STRAIGHT LINE RUNS THROUGH THE CREEK. SO THERE'S CREEK ON THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDES, AND IT'S ON OUR SIDE AND IT'S ON HIS SIDE AND IT'S ON OURS. THE CREEK IS LIKE A SNAKE. IT'S JUST LIKE THIS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE WHOLE PROPERTY. BUT. SO THEN YOU'RE SO ARE YOU TAKING A CREEK THAT IS WHOLLY OWNED BY ONE PERSON NOW AND SPLITTING IT AMONGST PROPERTY OWNERS? WELL, IT'S WETLANDS. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. IT'S THAT WHOLE AREA DOWN THERE IS 100 FOOT BUFFER ON EACH SIDE OF THE CREEK OF THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THE LANDOWNER HAD 300FT, AND NOW HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE 300FT BECAUSE WHEREVER THE CREEK LINE SITS, HE HAS TO BE WHEREVER THE OUTSIDE ENCROACHING AREA ENDS OF THE OF THE WETLANDS. OKAY. WHICH IT DOES ROLL UP INTO HIS PROPERTY ABOUT 75 TO 80FT, ANOTHER HUNDRED FEET OF THE GOOD LAND HE CAN'T EVEN TOUCH. NOW. HE'S ONLY GOT LEFT ABOUT 125FT OF FRONTAGE LEFT ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S EVEN BUILDABLE. BECAUSE OF THE BUFFER. I KNOW I'M FOLLOWING YOU DOWN THE WETLAND RABBIT HOLE. YEAH, THE WETLAND LAW HAS ALSO CHANGED MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IT'S CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED BY THE STATE BECAUSE THEY GOT SUED. AND SO THAT IS ACTUALLY. SO WHAT YOU'VE JUST PROPOSED TO ME IS ACTUALLY MORE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE NOW I'M THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS PROPERTY, AND YOU'VE GOT A CREEK AND A PROPERTY LINE THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF A CREEK. SO YOU'VE GOT LIKE ONE OWNER ON ONE SIDE FOR PART OF IT AND ONE OWNER ON THE OTHER SIDE FOR PART OF IT. AND IT'S VERY CONFUSING. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY CONFUSING. IT'S VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE THE WETZEL PIECE OF LAND BUTTS INTO OURS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY WETLANDS ON OUR HAY FIELD THERE, THE 35 ACRES, AND THEY'RE REQUIRING US TO HAVE 100 FOOT BUFFER OFF THE TREE LINE, WHICH WE HAD A BUFFER OF 98FT, 0.75IN. SO THEY ARE WAIVING THEY ARE WORKING WITH US, AND THEY ARE GOING TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT OF 100FT DOWN THE CREEK LINE THERE. WE HAD THREE FOUNDATIONS THAT CAME WERE THE HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER COMES UP INTO THE THREE FOUNDATIONS OF THE HOUSES AS YOU PULL IN OFF PARKER ROAD. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THOSE THREE FOUNDATIONS RIGHT NOW. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH US, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE STARTED THIS FIVE YEARS AGO AND THESE LAWS DIDN'T EVEN WEREN'T EVEN IN EXISTENCE FIVE YEARS AGO. SO THEY UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE VERY UNDERSTANDING OF SITUATIONAL PROBLEMS WITH THIS NEW WETLANDS LAWS THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO. I WAS JUST CALLED TODAY WE ARE GETTING RECEIVING OUR LETTER FROM THE DEC. ERIC IS WORKING WITH HER ON THE LANGUAGES OF FOR US, SO WE CAN COME BACK TO THE TOWN AND FINISH THIS THING FINALLY UP. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M TRYING TO CLOSE WITH THE LANDOWNER SO HE CAN GET HIS MONEY AND HE CAN AT LEAST GO ON WITH HIS LIFE. AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE FINISHING UP TRYING TO BUILD THIS SUBDIVISION. AND THAT'S THE ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR ME TO CLOSE WITH HIM, IS TO RECEIVE APPROVAL OF A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION. IF I GO TO CLOSING AND THE BARN'S ON OUR HUNK AND IT'S GOT TO GET CLEANED UP, WE'RE CLEANING IT UP. I MEAN, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPROVAL TONIGHT AT ALL. JOSEPH KONY, ATTORNEY FOR THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR TITLE. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE TITLE TO THE LAND. SO JUST JUST REAL QUICK. SO EVERYBODY IN THE ON THE BOARD CAN GET A VISUAL. JOSH, USE THE MEASURING TOOL FROM GIS. AND HE DID APPROXIMATELY 300FT FROM THE CENTER LINE OF BIG TREE ROAD. IT'S BETWEEN THE MAIN HOUSE AND THAT STRUCTURE IN THE BACK. AND THAT'S 300FT IS PARALLEL TO THE CENTER LINE. SO IT'D BE IT WOULD BE PARALLEL LIKE THIS. SO IT REALLY ONLY TOUCHES THE CREEK ON THIS EDGE. AND THEN RIGHT ON THIS EDGE. YEAH. THAT THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE. YEAH. SO IT CROSSES ACROSS. IT JUST TOUCHES CROSSES THE CREEK HERE. AND THEN MAYBE FROM THIS TREE IT THAT THAT 300FT PARALLEL TO BIG TREE IS GOING TO CROSS IT OVER ON THIS SIDE I THANK YOU. YEAH. I JUST NEEDED TO SEE IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS ENVISIONING. AND THAT'S WHERE BASED ON WHAT SIGNIFICANTLY LESS PROBLEMATIC. RIGHT. YEAH. THE PICTURE THAT WE SAW WITH THE RED AND THE FIRST ONE, HOW THE CREEK KIND OF BENDS UP IN THE CORNER. YEAH. RIGHT. [01:20:04] YEAH. THAT IT REALLY THAT'S WAS AN ILLUSION BECAUSE REALLY THIS IS A STRAIGHT LINE COMING ACROSS THERE. WELL AND THERE'S I MEAN THERE IS SORT OF A NATURAL MEANDER UP IN THE TOP RIGHT, WHATEVER DIRECTION THAT IS. BUT BUT YOU CAN CUT A PROPERTY LINE THROUGH THAT AND PUT THE MEANDER ON THE OTHER SIDE. THAT'S LESS PROBLEMATIC. I JUST I COULDN'T SEE WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE WAS IN RELATION TO THE CREEK, BUT NOW IT MAKES MORE SENSE. OKAY. RIGHT. THE OTHER PART FOR THE GIS, IT'S APPROXIMATE. SO THE CREEK, HOW IT SHOWS UP ON THE GIS WITH THIS RED C3 IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE TAKE OFF THE ZONING, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH, BUT IT'S NOT 100%. I JUST NEEDED I NEEDED TO SEE THAT 300 FOOT STRAIGHT LINE. SO NOW I HAVE LESS CONCERNS. AND I CINDY, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S AN ENCUMBRANCE THEY'LL SORT OUT AT CLOSING. I JUST WANT TO BACK UP AND CLARIFY THAT. SO AT THIS POINT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. IT'S BEEN THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED THAT THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S DILAPIDATING ON THE HOMEOWNERS PROPERTY IS NOT PLAYING IN ANY OF THE DECISION IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD TONIGHT. WE'VE DISCUSSED THE PROPERTY LINE AND WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. RIGHT. BASED ON THE DISCUSSION AND THE VISUAL THAT WE HAVE IN THE MEASUREMENT OF 300FT. YEAH, WE'RE ALL BOARD. ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT TO THAT? YES, YES. THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAVE NO CONFUSION. I WANT NO CONFUSION FOR THE HOMEOWNER FOR THE FUTURE PROJECT AND FOR THIS BOARD. THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAVE IS GOING FORWARD, AS WE LOOK AT SUBDIVISIONS GOING FORWARD, WE MAY WANT TO REQUIRE AERIALS ALONG WITH SURVEYS JUST FOR THINGS LIKE THIS, JUST SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET A VISUAL BECAUSE THE SURVEYS ARE THE SURVEYS, BUT SEEING IT WITH THE GIS IN AN AREA I THINK WILL HELP FOR SITUATIONS LIKE I THINK THAT'S COMING. YEAH. DOWN THE LINE. YEAH. THE OTHER AT THE OTHER LEVEL. SO LET'S NOT JOSH, WHILE YOU'RE ON THAT, ADD THE SHOWING WETLANDS ON YOUR SITE PLANS TO THAT TOO. YEP. OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE TO ADD A CONDITION ABOUT THAT BUILDING INTO THIS. WE DO NOT. NO. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. DID WE ALREADY READ THIS? I DID, BUT I COULD READ IT. A MOTION WAS MADE. I WAS WAITING FOR A SECOND AGO. WE READ THIS. IT WAS FOUR AND A HALF. YEAH. SO I HAD BLACK HAIR. STILL. IT'S GOING ON SIX YEARS. YES. GO AHEAD. DID I GET A SECOND? I'M SORRY. SOMEBODY WAS TALKING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID, BUT I'LL. MEMBER RYAN SECONDS IT. OKAY. SO IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL. THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, I, I ANY OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED. IT'S BEEN GRANTED. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN ON A WETLAND DEBATE. YEAH, YEAH. LIVELY. LIVELY. JUST FINISHED MY AMICUS BRIEF FOR THAT CASE. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. SO MOVING FORWARD, CASE NUMBER TWO, BENDERSON DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN ASKED TO BE POSTPONED UNTIL AUGUST 20TH. CASE NUMBER THREE, CARY TIGER, REQUESTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL HAS BEEN ASKED TO BE POSTPONED UNTIL AUGUST 20TH. SO WE HAVE NO FURTHER CASES THIS EVENING. I AM GOING TO GIVE A HEADS UP TO THE BOARD. AUGUST 20TH IS GOING TO BE AN EXTENSIVE MEETING. I'M GOING TO LET YOU KNOW NOW. THERE'S A LOT OF READING, THERE'S A LOT OF PREPARATION, AND I SUGGEST THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU GET AHEAD OF TIME, THAT YOU START LOOKING AT IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE NOTE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEFORE THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, PLEASE EMAIL JOSH AND MYSELF ASKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SO I'M PLEASE ASKING TO DO A LITTLE HOMEWORK AHEAD OF TIME. THESE ARE PRETTY BIG, HEAVY CASES THAT WE'VE GOT COMING IN FRONT OF US. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF MATERIAL, AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT ANYTHING THAT COMES TO YOU EARLY, PLEASE REVIEW IT. AND IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION I DON'T WANT TO TABLE IF WE DON'T HAVE TO FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. OKAY. SO IF WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION AHEAD, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WANT, PLEASE LET JOSH AND MYSELF KNOW SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THESE ON THESE CASES. OKAY. HAVING SAID THAT, DO WE HAVE MINUTES FOR REVIEW. WE HAVE NO MINUTES. SO THEN I'VE JUST ENTERTAINING A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT SAY I. MEETING * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.