[Work Session meeting on September 8, 2025.]
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THANK YOU. SO AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, THERE'S ANOTHER VERSION OF THIS PRESENTATION GOING ON RIGHT OUTSIDE. I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS ONE A LITTLE LESS LONG WINDED, BUT STILL GIVE THE SAME INFORMATION BEING GIVEN OUTSIDE. AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE HAVE PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT THAT PROPOSED LOCAL LAW IS INVOLVING SOME REMOVAL OF AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND SOME SUBSEQUENT REZONINGS. WHAT YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS I PROVIDED TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF MAPS OF THOSE PROPOSED AREAS, AND I'LL KIND OF GO OVER WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS AND THEN SOME OF THE REZONINGS, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR ANY QUESTIONS. AND THAT'LL BE THE END OF MY, THE END OF MY REPORT.
JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHERE THIS CAME FROM, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE THAT WAS SET UP IN 2023, AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WHAT THAT COMPREHENSIVE IMPLEMENTATION COMMITTEE TRIES TO DO IS SET UP SOME GUIDELINES AND SOME MEASURABLE GOALS, BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING TO DO A COMP PLAN, RIGHT, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT WHAT'S IN THERE. YOU CAN WRITE REPORTS FOR DAYS, BUT IF THERE'S NO GOALS OR THERE'S NO ACTIONS TO IMPLEMENT WHAT YOU'RE WRITING, THEN YOU JUST HAVE A STAGNANT DOCUMENT. AND OUTSIDE OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN WHERE WE WANTED TO LOOK AT SOME LAND USES, LOOK AT SOME ZONING, AND ONE OF THOSE AREAS ARE SOME INDUSTRIAL ZONES. WE WANTED TO LOOK AT OUR M ONE ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH STANDS FOR OFFICE AND RESEARCH PARK.
AND IN FURTHER INVESTIGATION, WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THAT DISTRICT. AND WHAT YOU CAN DO IN THAT DISTRICT IS OFFICES, LABORATORIES, AND THAT'S IT. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE WANTED TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE. WE WANTED TO LOOK TO ADD THEM TO SOME EXISTING ONES. AND THEN WE WANTED TO PROPOSE SOME REZONINGS IF WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF M1. SO OUT OF THAT, WE LOOKED AT THE TOWN ZONING MAP, AND WE LOOKED AT EVERY AREA IN THE TOWN THAT IS ZONED M1, AND ALL THOSE AREAS ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT HAS THE AERIAL WITH NO COLOR ON IT, BUT HAS SOME SOME HATCHING, I'LL START WITH THAT ONE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, WE'LL START. THERE'S A SQUARE BOX. IT'S AT LAKE AVE AND ABBOT ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF ORCHARD PARK. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES IN QUESTION, THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE. TECHNICALLY THREE, YOU'LL SEE THAT PROPERTY NORTH OF LAKE AVE.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE IT TO C2. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT I ALSO PROVIDED FOR YOU GUYS, IT HAS A LOT OF COLORING ON IT. THIS IS THE ACTUAL ZONING MAP, SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE ZONING AND LAND USES THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE. SO LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WITH THE HATCHING IS WHAT'S PROPOSED TO BE REZONE TO C2. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK NORTH OF THAT PROPERTY IS M3. BUT A LOT OF THE SURROUNDING ZONING AROUND IT IS C2. AND A LOT OF THE LAND USES ARE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. SO IF WE'RE REMOVING M1, WE WANTED TO REZONE IT TO C2 TO MATCH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AND TO ALSO MATCH SOME OF THE EXISTING ZONING AND LAND USES SURROUNDING IT. AND THEN THE OTHER PARCEL THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THIS PROPOSED ZONING MAP IS AN AREA THAT HAS THIS HATCHING. THIS IS A CHURCH, OUR LADY OF SACRED HEART. THAT PARCEL IS ZONED THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. IT'S ZONED C2, M2, AND M1. BECAUSE OF THAT, WE LOOK TO REZONE THIS ENTIRE PARCEL TO C2. SO YOU'LL SEE THE HATCHING ON ON THAT PARCEL. WE'RE PROPOSING IT TO REZONE THE C2 CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED IN C2. THEY'RE CURRENTLY NOT ALLOWED IN OUR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. SO IT'S A NONCONFORMING USE. SO BY REZONING THAT PARCEL TO C2 THE CHURCH WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE.
IT CAN EXPAND. WE WANTED TO GET IT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THOSE PROPERTIES AT LAKE AVE AND ABBOT ROAD. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE PARCELS OF WHY WE'RE PROPOSING THOSE TWO PARCELS TO BE REZONED TO C2? IS THE CHURCH IS THE SCHOOL INCLUDED ON THE CHURCH WITH THE CHURCH? YES, IT IS OKAY. IT'S MY. UNDERSTOOD. SORRY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING TOO. THAT PARCEL WEST OF LAKE AVE, RIGHT? YEAH. WEST WEST. WEST OF LAKE AVE, IT LOOKS LIKE. YEP. OR NORTH OF IT, I SHOULD SAY. IT APPEARS TO BE BUTTING UP AGAINST COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. AND OUR TWO RESIDENTIAL AREA. YEP. AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, M1 IS A PRETTY ABRASIVE ZONING TO INITIALLY HAVE UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL RIGHT? THAT C2 WOULD BE MORE. IT'LL BE A BETTER BUFFER. SO YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU ALSO ALSO YOU'LL SEE ON THAT PARCEL IT'S KIND OF JAGGED.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL ZONING MAP, YOU'LL SEE A PART ON THE WESTERN EDGE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT KIND OF FOLLOWS THE CREEK THAT IS ZONED R-2. OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT
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ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SIDE OF THE PARCEL, BUT THAT PART IS ALSO ZONED R-2 TO KIND OF SET UP AS A BUFFER, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY SOME R-2 EXISTING WEST OF THAT PARCEL. SO THE C2 IS KIND OF A DOWN ZONING FROM THAT M-1 INDUSTRIAL USED TO C2 TO ALSO, LIKE I SAID, MATCH SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET AND ON THE WESTERN SIDE, IT'S ALREADY ZONED R-2. SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT BUFFER BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ABILITY TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT SIDE OF THAT CREEK ANYWAYS. OKAY. BY MOVING IT TO C2, SOME OF THE THINGS IN M-1 WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU SAID LABORATORIES, BUT CAN YOU GIVE US EXAMPLES? BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY LABORATORY, I'M THINKING LIKE A LAB. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. LIKE THAT'S NOT THE SAME KIND OF LABORATORY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. SO THE SOME OF THE LABORATORIES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN M-1, YOU CAN DO LIKE HIGH TECH KIND OF USES, YOU CAN HAVE ELECTRICAL USES, YOU CAN HAVE PLUMBING AND HARDWARE KIND OF LABORATORY. YOU CAN DO LIKE ABRASIVE LIKE TREATMENT OF ABRASIVES AND STORAGE OF CHEMICAL PRODUCTS IN THOSE LABS. AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO AVOID IN THAT M-1. SO IN C2 YOU CAN HAVE STORAGE OF PRODUCTS, BUT NOT THOSE CHEMICAL SAME ABRASIVES. SO THAT'S ALSO WHY WE WANTED TO DOWNZONE IT TO C2 TO MATCH SOME OF THE ALREADY EXISTING COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA, AND GETTING AWAY FROM THAT HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL KIND OF USES. AND THEN CAN YOU GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT C2 USES WOULD BE? SO AN EXAMPLE OF C2 ARE LIKE A RETAIL STORE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR GENERAL, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF C2, YOU CAN HAVE CUSTOM SHOPS WHERE YOU SELL LIKE BILL'S MERCHANDISE. THERE ARE SOME C2 USES, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE CAR WASHES. BUT THE CAVEAT IS FOR CAR WASHES YOU NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF USES IN C2. C2 IS OUR MOST GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IN THE TOWN, SO THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT YOU CAN DO, BUT A TON OF THEM REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. ALSO, I'LL NOTE THAT IN C2, SOME OTHER ZONING CODE UPDATES THAT WE'VE DONE IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GIVE MORE DISCRETION TO THE PLANNING BOARD WHEN IT COMES TO SETBACKS. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S MINIMUM LOT SIZES.THERE'S MINIMUM FRONT YARD, REAR YARD AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS AND COMMERCIAL ZONES.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO AS A PART OF OUR ZONING CODE UPDATES IS ALLOW FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO HAVE MORE DISCRETION WHERE IF THERE WAS SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED IN AN AREA THAT WAS C2, THE PLANNING BOARD, COULD YOU LOOK AT THAT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY AND COME UP WITH A SETBACK THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THAT USE, ABUTTING ANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE IN THE AREA. BUT THEY CAN'T GO BELOW, BUT THEY CAN'T GO BELOW WHAT'S ALREADY THE MINIMUM, BUT THEY CAN GO ABOVE IT EXACTLY BECAUSE OF THE PARTICULAR SITUATION. CORRECT. AND THOSE THAT ARE AROUND THERE, THAT'S THE AREA WHERE BW IS, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S A LOT OF THAT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED. A LOT OF IT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED. THAT IS CORRECT. SO REALLY ALL YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS PREVENT THE IN TRYING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL IMPACT.
YEAH. REALLY INDUSTRIAL CHEMICAL HEAVY USES RIGHT INSIDE THERE. OKAY. CORRECT.
AND TRYING TO GET THE CHURCH SO THAT IT'S IN CONFORMANCE. EXACTLY. BECAUSE IF IT'S NON-CONFORMING, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO IT THEN THERE'LL BE ISSUES. YES. YES OKAY. IS PART OF THE WORK TOO. I KNOW EVEN WHEN YOU WERE JUST DESCRIBING THE M-1 ETCETERA, AND THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT LABORATORIES IS THAT PART OF THE WORK ALSO IS TRYING TO MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS IN THOSE, IN THOSE DIFFERENT DESCRIPTIONS OF LABORATORY. SO IT'S OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SO WE PART OF LOOKING INTO REMOVING M-1 AND ADDING SOME OF THOSE USES TO C2 OR TO M2 IS TO CLEAN UP SOME OF OUR WORDS AND DEFINITIONS.
BECAUSE GOING BACK TO MY POINT OF YOU CAN WRITE A COMP PLAN, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IMPLEMENTATION FOR IT, OR IF THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT TO IT, THEN IT'S LIKE, WHAT WAS THE POINT? I FELT THE SAME IS TRUE WITH WORDS AND DEFINITIONS. YOU CAN HAVE DEFINITIONS OF WHAT A TYPE OF USE IS IN THE ZONING CODE, BUT IF IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE OR IF IT'S AN OUTDATED DEFINITION, OR IF THE DEFINITION ISN'T RELEVANT TO WHAT THAT TYPE OF USE IS ANYMORE, THEN IT'S NO GOOD. SO WE LOOKED AT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS A PROPOSED USE IN M-1 AND IT NEVER HAD A DEFINITION. SO SOMEBODY COULD HAVE PROPOSED SOMETHING THAT IN THEIR EYES WAS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, AND WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR AN INTERPRETATION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THAT WAS A CORRECT USE. WHAT WE DID IS WE CAME UP WORKING WITH A TOWN LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND WE ALSO WORKED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, COMING UP WITH A DEFINITION OF WHAT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT MEANS FOR ORIGINALLY IT WAS GOING TO GO IN M-1, BUT WE'RE REMOVING M-1 AND WE'RE PUTTING THOSE USES IN C2. SO WHAT THAT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DEFINITION IS, IS THOSE LOWER SCALE LABS. SO NOT THE ABRASIVES OR THE TREATING OF CHEMICALS. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A HIGH TECH LAB OR IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING WITH LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING ANY LIKE BIOTECHNOLOGY OR NANOTECHNOLOGY, YOU KNOW, STANDARD, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ACCESSORY LABORATORY USES ARE GOING TO GO IN THAT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DEFINITION AND ANYTHING THAT'S TOO HIGH, YOU KNOW, TOO ABRASIVE OR IS GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS TO ONE'S HEALTH AND SAFETY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN THAT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DEFINITION. SO LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD GO IN RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT MIGHT BE SOMEBODY WHO'S MAKING PROSTHETICS, ORTHOTICS FOR.
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RIGHT OKAY. RIGHT. BUT WE WOULDN'T YEAH. WE WOULDN'T ALLOW LIKE THE TREATMENT OF COAL IN A LAB. AND BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HIGHER INTENSITY INDUSTRIAL USE THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT IN RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. JOSH, I STILL FEEL LIKE EVERY SINGLE TIME WE THINK WE FIGURED OUT WHAT THE FUTURE'S GOING TO HOLD, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING ELSE.JUST BLOWS IT OUT OF THE WATER. RIGHT. AND THAT'S A THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE BEEN ANOTHER. YEAH.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO TRY TO COMBAT THAT. AND NOTHING'S GOING TO BE PERFECT. WE KNOW THAT. BUT ANOTHER THING WE'RE TRYING TO ADD IS THAT TO SOME OF THESE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, WE'RE ADDING THAT USES CAN BE INTERPRETED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE A QUESTION ON RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND SOMEBODY PROPOSES TO USE AND WE'RE NOT TOO SURE, WE KICK IT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE BEFORE IT EVEN REACHES THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE TOWN BOARD FOR THEIR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THIS WOULD BE AN ALLOWED USE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF SOMEONE DISAGREES, THEY HAVE THE AVENUE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD. BUT WE'VE AT LEAST HAD OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TAKE A LOOK AT IT BEFORE IT, YOU KNOW, HITS YOUR GUYS'S DESK OR HITS THE PLANNING BOARD'S DESK, THAT WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE. WELL, AND I'D HATE TO SEE SOMEBODY WITH AN IDEA INVEST ALL THE TIME AND MONEY AND THEN REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
RIGHT. WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR THAT AREA. SO AND AGAIN, JUST TO CONFIRM THAT NOBODY THROUGH THESE REZONINGS, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S LEFT OUT OF COMPLIANCE. THAT IS CORRECT WITH THESE REZONINGS, EVERYTHING THAT IS ZONED M-1 WILL BE REZONED TO ANOTHER DISTRICT. IF THESE ARE I MEAN, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE IT IN WRITING? SO IF SOMEBODY PURCHASES THAT PROPERTY AND SAID, OH, THAT I COULD PUT THIS THERE. AND THEN THERE'S THAT ARGUMENT AFTER THE FACT SAYING WHAT THE ZONING BOARD SAYS, NO, THAT'S AN ILLEGAL USE, AND WE COULD TIE US UP IN COURT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING IN BLACK AND WHITE THAT'LL. WELL, WHEN SOMETHING IS REZONED THROUGH THE TOWN, IT'LL GO THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE. IT'LL BE UPDATED ON OUR ZONING MAP. BUT IN TERMS OF IF AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER BUYS OR SELLS, THEY NEED TO WORK WITH THEIR PROPER ATTORNEY AND THEIR REAL ESTATE INVESTOR.
THAT'S NOTHING THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TOWN. ONCE WE REZONE IT ON OUR END AND IT GOES THROUGH THE TOWN LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND IT REACHES THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE, AND WE CHANGE THE ZONING MAP AND EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE T'S ARE CROSSED AND THE I'S ARE DOTTED THERE. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN REZONED, IT'LL BE ON THEM AND THEIR ATTORNEY TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE IT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON. GOOD. THANKS. OKAY. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER SO THE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE BEING REZONED, YOU'LL SEE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR MAP BY JEFFREY BOULEVARD AND BIG TREE, THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE SPLIT ZONED IN THE TOWN, MEANING THAT THERE ARE TWO OR MORE ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN THE PARCEL YOU'LL SEE ON JEFFREY BOULEVARD, WEST OF WEST AVE AND NORTH OF BIG TREE ROAD. THIS IS AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PARK. THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE SPLIT ZONED M1 AND M2. YOU'LL SEE IN THE HATCHING THE LIGHTER PINK ON YOUR MAP. THAT LIGHTER PINK IS WHAT'S M1? AND THE REASON WHY A LOT OF THESE PARCELS ARE ZONED M1. THEY WERE SET UP AS A BUFFER AT THE TIME. FROM SOME OF THOSE R-2 USES THE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE REMOVING M1, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO MAKE THE ENTIRE PARCEL M2. IT'S ALREADY MOST OF THESE PARCELS ALREADY ZONED M2. AND IF WE'RE MOVING M1, WE DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO RE SPLIT ZONE SOMETHING. SO WE WANT TO MAKE THE ZONING DISTRICT OF ALL THESE PARCELS ALL THE SAME. AND THEN THE PARCELS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THIS MAP, YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE TWO BY CAITLIN TERRACE. AND THEN THERE'S ONE ON THE RAILROAD. I'LL START WITH THE ONE ON THE RAILROAD. WE'RE REZONING IT TO M2 TO MATCH THE RAILROAD AS IT'S ALREADY EXISTING. THAT ONE DOESN'T MATTER AS MUCH. THE RAILROAD HAS JURISDICTION OVER ZONING ANYWAYS, BUT BECAUSE THE RAILROAD IS ALREADY ZONED M2, WE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID WE MIGHT AS WELL MAKE IT IN CONFORMANCE. WHAT'S NORTH OF IT? THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT YOU SEE THAT HAVE GREEN HATCHING ON THE WEST AND EASTERN SIDE OF CAITLIN TERRACE, THOSE ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO WHAT'S CALLED OUR PR DISTRICT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS PARKS AND RECREATION DISTRICT. THE REASON WHY WE'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE IT TO THAT IS TO THE WEST, YOU'LL SEE PENN-DIXIE PENN-DIXIE IS ZONED PARKS AND RECREATION. THOSE TWO PARCELS THAT HAVE THAT HATCHING ARE TOWN OWNED PROPERTIES. AND THE REASON WE WANT TO ADD IT TO PARKS AND RECREATION IS THAT WE DON'T WANT ANY DEVELOPMENT TO GO ON THOSE AREAS. THEY ARE. BUT THOSE HOMES ON CAITLIN TERRACE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY ZONED M2 AND M1, AND EVEN THOUGH THE TOWN HAS JURISDICTION OVER THEM, WE THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO REZONE THEM TO PR TO MATCH WHAT'S GOING ON IN PENN-DIXIE. ALSO, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION DISTRICT, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS A PARK OR OPEN SPACE OR THINGS ALONG THERE. SO THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NO CONTRACTOR BUILDINGS OR WAREHOUSES OR PUBLIC MINI STORAGE OR ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, IN PARKS AND REC. IT'LL ONLY BE OPEN SPACE. SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF CREATE THAT BUFFER. AND THOSE ARE ALL THE PROPOSED REZONINGS FOR THIS AREA OF THE ZONING MAP TO GET RID OF M1. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS AREA? IS THIS GOING TO I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. WE'RE MOVING FROM M1 TO M2 BUT WE'RE ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS IN THAT. BECAUSE THERE ARE IT DOES OFFER A NICE BUFFER SHIELD AND IT PREVENTED OF HEAVIER MECHANICAL USES. WHAT ARE THE USES OF M2? THAT WOULD BE MORE
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PALATABLE UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAN M1. SO THE REASON THAT WE REZONE IT TO M2 RIGHT IS RIGHT NOW IT'S SPLIT ZONE. SO THAT PINK AREA THAT'S HAS FRONTAGE ONTO BAYVIEW AND THEN ON TO BIG TREE. OUR SPLIT ZONE M1 AND THEN ALL OF IT BEHIND IT IS ZONED M2.THE REASON WE'RE REZONING IT ALL TO M2 IS BECAUSE THESE PARCELS ARE ALREADY BUILT OUT.
SO THESE ARE ALREADY EXISTING BUSINESSES. SO THESE AREN'T EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEING REZONED TO M2 AND M2. M2 DOES HAVE SOME SEMI HEAVY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES. IT'S NOT LIKE THESE BUSINESSES CAN EXPAND ANY MORE THAN THEY ALREADY. THEY'RE ALREADY EXISTING. EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN M1, EVEN THOUGH IT SAID AS A BUFFER. YOU CAN SEE IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL OF THAT SAME IMAGE ON THE OTHER MAP, IT'S IT'S ALREADY EXISTING, IT'S ALREADY BUILT OUT. THERE'S REALLY NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION. EVERYTHING THAT HAS FRONTAGE ON THE BIG TREE AND BAYVIEW IS ALREADY PREEXISTING. SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NOT LIKE THERE'S ADDED USES THAT CAN BE ADDED TO WHERE THIS BUFFER IS. AND IT ALSO WOULDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO REZONE IF WE IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO REZONE IT TO M2. THERE DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO REZONE IT TO ANY OTHER DISTRICT.
M2 IS WHAT THE PARCELS ARE ALREADY ZONED. AND THEN IF WE SPLIT ZONE IT AGAIN, DO WE SPLIT ZONE TO COMMERCIAL? THAT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE. THE RESIDENTIAL IS THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO REZONE IT TO RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN THERE REALLY AREN'T MANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS THAT KIND OF CREATE THAT UNIFORMITY IN THE AREA. SO REZONING IT ALL M2, ALL IT REALLY DOES IS JUST MAKE THE DISTRICTS WHAT THEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE BEGINNING. JUST REZONED ALL TO ONE ZONING DISTRICT. I GUESS MY POINT OF CONCERN IS SOME OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE M1, SPLIT, ZONED AND M2 STILL HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING SUBDIVIDED.
AND IF WE SUBDIVIDE IT, PUTTING AN M2 RIGHT UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL IS NOT NOT WHAT I WOULD WANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND PUTTING M2 HEAVY M2 USES UP AGAINST THE BACK. APPENDIX C IS NOT IN KEEPING, ESPECIALLY WITH WHEN WE'RE ACTIVELY AS A TOWN, TURNING ANY PARCELS WE HAVE ALONG PENN-DIXIE INTO PASSIVE RECREATION. I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS. IS THAT AREA THAT STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN VERTICAL PIECE I HAVE CONCERNS WITH BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY AND BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SPLIT SUBDIVIDING THAT PARCEL. AND NOW YOU COULD END UP WITH A REALLY IF SOMEBODY WANTED A REALLY AGGRESSIVE M2 IN THERE AND IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL. SO THE PARCEL, I MEAN, WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IN WHAT'S GOING TO BE M2 AND BY THE WAY, M2 AND M3, WE'RE RENAMING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL INDUSTRIAL. SO ON THE TOWN WEBSITE, PEOPLE MAY HAVE SEEN LEE AND GI. WHEN I SAY THAT LEE IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THAT'LL BE M2. GI IS GENERAL INDUSTRIAL, THAT'LL BE M3 IN LEE. WHAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO OUR OFFICES RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT WHICH I JUST EXPLAINED WAREHOUSES ALONG WITH A PERMITTED USE. SO WAREHOUSING HAS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THESE OTHER USES THAT I JUST NAMED YOU CAN DO LABORATORIES, WHICH I JUST MENTIONED, FULL SCALE BUILDINGS WHICH CAN BE RENTED OUT FOR STORAGE. AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE NEEDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WOULD BE PRIVATE RENTAL STORAGE OR A NURSERY. SO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES MATCH ITS DESCRIPTION. THEY'RE VERY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE. NOW I GET YOUR POINT. YOU CAN SUBDIVIDE AND YOU CAN GET, YOU KNOW, A RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT LAB. PART OF THAT WILL GO TO THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT STAGE WHERE IT NEEDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, WHERE THERE'LL BE A CAVEAT THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CRITERIA FROM THE PLANNING BOARD LEVEL, WHERE CONDITIONS CAN BE ATTACHED ONTO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO THERE ARE SOME AVENUES WHERE IN CASE WE DO REZONE THIS TO M2 AND PEOPLE ARE NOW BUTTING AGAINST THAT M2 ZONE OR THAT LEE ZONE, IF THERE IS ANY PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR ANY SPLITTING OF PROPERTY ONE, IT NEEDS SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. SO IT ALREADY NEEDS A LOOK FROM SEEKER FROM THAT STANDPOINT. AND THEN EVEN IF IT DOES GET SUBDIVIDED AND SOMEBODY DOES PROPOSE DEVELOPMENT ON WHAT WAS SUBDIVIDED, THEY THEN WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT STANDARDS AND MEET THOSE CRITERIA, AND THERE WOULD BE CONDITIONS PLACED ON THEM.
PEOPLE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO A PUBLIC HEARING AND GIVE INPUT. SO THERE WILL BE A LOT OF AVENUES FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR INPUT HEARD SHOULD THAT EVER COME, COME ACROSS. AND WHAT IS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR AN LEE TO AN R-2? SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT AN LEE UP AGAINST AN R-2, RIGHT. THE MINIMUM SETBACKS RIGHT NOW FOR A SIDE YARD, THE MINIMUM IS 15FT. WHEN THE SIDE YARD ABUTS IN OUR DISTRICT, I BELIEVE IT'S NO LESS THAN 50FT RIGHT NOW. THE REAR YARD SETBACK IS TEN FEET. AND IF IT ABUTS A REAR OR IF IT ABUTS A R DISTRICT, IT'S THE SAME AS SIDE YARD, SO NO LESS THAN 50FT. ALSO, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE ADDING THAT CAVEAT TO ZONING DISTRICTS AT THE PLANNING BOARD DOES HAVE THE DISCRETION TO UP THOSE SETBACKS DEPENDING ON DEVELOPMENT AND DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO, DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO PUSH BACK HARD IF YOU GIVE THEM ANYTHING MORE THAN THE
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MINIMUM. IS THAT SOMETHING? IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO RENAME M2 TO LEE AND LEE CHOO. IS IT TIME TO DISCUSS THE SETBACK CHANGES, INCREASING THE SETBACKS? I'M JUST I HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT TAKING IT TO A HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL USE, SIGNIFICANTLY UP AGAINST RESIDENTS. WHEN WE'RE USING THE SAME LOGIC, THE PROPERTY'S PREVIOUS SAYING, WE'RE DECREASING THE DISPARITY BETWEEN ZONING UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL SPACE. THAT COMMERCIAL IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH[00:25:55]
OR KINDER. NEIGHBOR THAN M2 CAN BE. IT'S HARD TO SAY. WELL, WE'RE WE'RE DOWN, DOWN ZONING OVER HERE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE ZONING OVER HERE. BUT IT'S THE SAME RESIDENTIAL COMPLEXITIES, RIGHT? LIKE I SAID, I'D GO BACK TO WE'RE TRYING TO SET UP SOME OF THOSE PARAMETERS TO TRY TO, LIKE I SAID, GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCRETION. AND TO YOUR POINT, I UNDERSTAND DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO DO ANYTHING THEY CAN TO NOT MEET, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUM SETBACKS THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE. AND THEN I GUESS MY MY FALLBACK IS IF WE'RE REMOVING M1, WHICH I OVER THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO. IS THAT GOING TO BE DONE THROUGH THE STATE. AND THEN WOULD THAT MEAN TO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO JUST SAY THESE PEOPLE BEHIND THERE WANTED TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY BEHIND THEM, WOULD WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE TO GET A. NOPE. SO WE'RE NOT DESIGNATING IT LIKE AS A PARK OR HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE STATE. WE'RE REZONING IT TO PARKS AND RECREATIONAL DISTRICT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CALLING IT A PARK.WE'RE JUST REZONING IT TO BASICALLY HAVE BE OPEN SPACE, AND THE TOWN OWNS THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU GUYS GET TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO SELL IT OR NOT. SO IS THAT PERMANENTLY DEEDED THEN? OR THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT IS DONE? BECAUSE IT'S PARKS AND RECREATION AND BECAUSE THE TOWN OWNS IT. THERE'S ALREADY A LOT THAT THE TOWN HAS DISCRETION OVER, BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO DEEDING IT. BUT LIKE I SAID, PARKS AND PARKS AND RECREATION DISTRICT, THEY ONLY USES OUR PARKS, RECREATIONAL USES AND OPEN SPACE. TOOK A WALK IN THE PARK? EXACTLY. JOSH, IS THERE ANY DOES THE TYPE OF RESEARCH AND WHAT THEY'RE USING, THE TYPE OF MATERIALS THEY'RE USING HAVE ANY BEARING? YOU KNOW, SAY IT'S A IT'S CAUSTIC. IT'S A LEVEL FOUR OSHA. I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE MADE AWARE OF BEFORE IT WENT IN, OR WOULD WE BE ABLE TO PREVENT CERTAIN MATERIALS FROM BEING USED ON SITE? IT REALLY. SO IT WILL DEPEND ON THE TYPE OF USE. AND IT'LL GO BACK TO THAT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DEFINITION LIKE I MENTIONED. SO WE HAVE A DEFINITION NOW. AND WE WROTE THE DEFINITION. LIKE I SAID, WITH THE TOWN'S LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING WORKING TOGETHER. SO WE TRY TO MAKE THE DEFINITION ENFORCEABLE. RIGHT. SO THERE'S ONE WAY TO YOU CAN WRITE A DEFINITION FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. IT CAN MEAN 50 DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT WE WROTE IT WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT INPUT IN MIND SO THAT IF WE GET SOMETHING THAT HAS THESE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS OR HAS THESE TYPE OF MATERIALS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT IS LIKE, THIS DOESN'T MEET THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, THEN THEY HAVE THAT OPTION TO SAY, THIS DOESN'T THIS ISN'T A PERMITTED USE. ALL RIGHT. I WILL TAKE MY COMMENTS BACK AND I'LL SEE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT LATER. THANKS, JEFF. THANK YOU. EAGLE SQUEAKED. ONE OUT. EAGLES AND BILLS BOTH SQUEAKED WELL. EAGLES FAN JOSH I HAVE I GOT JALEN HURTS ON MY FANTASY TEAM. SO WHAT I DO YEAH OKAY SO THAT'S IT FOR THE WORK SESSION. SO BE BACK AT SEVEN. DO YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY TO. YEAH WE'LL BE BACK AT 7:00. THE REGULAR MEETING. IS THAT A MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. ATTORNEYS HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND AND EVERYONE IN FAVOR? NO SECOND. OKAY. KATHY, DO YOU HAVE TO CALL FOR THE. KATHY, DO YOU WANT TO. YOUR TURN. YOUR ATTORNEYS WANT TO SEE ANYTHING DURING THE WORK SESSION OR. NO, I THINK. IS THERE A YES OR NO? YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE WEST WATER PROJECT. OKAY. AND ALSO BRIEFLY ON THE DISTRICT. OKAY. GREAT. EXCUSE ME. A LITTLE BIT SHORTER THAN JOSH. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. AM I IN WORKING WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY ON THE MULTIPLE DISTRICTS THAT WERE LOOKING AT BEING FORMED? THERE'S TWO AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING FOR ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. ONE WAS THE WEST ARNOLD. THE OTHER IS THE REFUSE DISTRICT. I WILL COVER THE WEST ARNOLD ITEMS. AND THEN MY COLLEAGUE ALEX WILL COVER THE COVER THE REFUSE AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO RIGHT NOW, SINCE WE LAST MET, YOU'LL
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RECALL THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT I THINK WAS CONTINUED, WAS LEFT OPEN WITH RESPECT TO THE FORMATION OF THE DISTRICT. AND THIS IS FOR WEST ARNOLD WATER DISTRIBUTION.SINCE THAT TIME, THE TOWN HAS BECOME AWARE OF A POTENTIAL GRANT OPPORTUNITY FROM EFC THAT COULD FUND, I BELIEVE IT'S 70% OF THE COSTS OF THIS OF THE THE WEST ARNOLD WATER LINE PROJECT.
YES, SIR. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. WHAT IS EFC? OH, I'M SORRY, ENVIRONMENTAL FACILITIES CORPORATION IS ESSENTIALLY A STATE, YOU KNOW, A STATE ENTITY THAT ISSUES BONDS. OH, COOL. I'M SORRY THAT ISSUES GRANTS, GRANTS AND BONDS. ALL RIGHT. HOW DID YOU FIND OUT? I'M SORRY. HOW DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THAT? THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. OH, NO. IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION FROM THE TOWN I THINK BECAME AWARE OF IT. OUR GRANT WRITER. YEAH. OH. OH, YEAH.
THAT MAKES THIS A LOT BETTER. YES, EXACTLY. AND SO WITH AND THERE'S A DEADLINE TO THERE'S A DEADLINE TO FILE THE APPLICATION FOR THIS GRANT OF. I BELIEVE IT'S THE 10TH. IS THAT CORRECT. THE 10TH OR THE. IT'S THE 12TH. THE 12TH. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE NEEDED AS PART OF THAT GRANT APPLICATION IS A RESOLUTION FROM THE TOWN ESSENTIALLY AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF THE THE FILING OF THE APPLICATION. WE ALSO NEEDED WE ALSO NEEDED SEQRA TO BE COMPLETE FOR THAT. AND SO WHERE WE WHERE WE LEFT OFF WAS WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF FORMING THE DISTRICT. SECRE WAS WAS MATERIALS HAD BEEN PREPARED ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORMS THAT ESSENTIALLY COVERED THE SAME THING. IT COVERED THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH WITH DEVELOPING THE THE PROJECT BECAUSE SEQRA HAS A HAS A PROHIBITION AGAINST SEGMENTATION, MEANING THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE TWO ACTIONS AND SEPARATE THEM FOR SECRET PURPOSES. AND GIVEN THAT IF THEIR GRANT IS ESSENTIALLY IS AWARDED TO THE TOWN, THEN THE EXCUSE ME, THE FINANCING FOR THE REMAINING REMAINDER OF THE PROJECT WOULD CHANGE, AND WHETHER IT'S DONE BY DISTRICT OR DONE OTHERWISE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF IT'S GOING TO BE DONE BY A DISTRICT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WE'D HAVE TO START THAT PROCESS OVER, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE NUMBERS HAVE HAVE CHANGED, OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE FAVORABLE TO THE TOWN BECAUSE IT WOULD BE LESS FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THIS EVENING IS, IS THREE RESOLUTIONS. THE FIRST RESOLUTION IS WOULD BE DISCONTINUING THE WATER DISTRICT FORMATION PROCESS FOR NOW. AND IT BASICALLY INDICATES BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR A, YOU KNOW, FOR A GRANT THAT COULD BENEFIT THE TOWN, BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS THROUGH, YOU KNOW, LOWER CHARGES THAT THE TOWN DESIRES TO GO AHEAD AND APPLY FOR THAT GRANT. AND IF THE GRANT IS RECEIVED, OR EVEN IF IT'S NOT RECEIVED, THE MAP PLAN AND REPORT AND THE COST PER RESIDENT IS GOING TO CHANGE, EVEN IF JUST AS A MATTER OF TIME DUE TO DUE TO INFLATION.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE THE FIRST RESOLUTION DISCONTINUES THAT PROCESS, BUT RECOGNIZES THAT IF A DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE REVISITED, THAT ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE MET WITH RESPECT TO MAP, PLAN AND REPORT SECRE PUBLIC HEARING AND SO FORTH. SO THAT IS THAT IS RESOLUTION ONE. RESOLUTION TWO IS IS SEQRA. AND IN THAT PARTICULAR RESOLUTION, NO, I'M SORRY, I THINK I WENT IN THE WRONG ORDER. THE SECOND ONE IS FOR AUTHORIZING THE THE APPLICATION OF THE GRANT. AND THAT ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS FOR YOUR GRANT WRITER TO APPLY TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT AND SERVE AS THE GRANT GRANT MANAGER, IF IT'S ULTIMATELY AWARDED. AND THEN THE THIRD RESOLUTION IS SEQRA. AND THAT THIRD RESOLUTION, WE HAVE EAF FORMS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED WERE PREPARED BY BY WENDELL. SO WITHDREW. AND JOSH, THAT JUST FOCUSES ON NOT THE ACTION BEING THE FORMATION OF THE DISTRICT, BUT THE ACTION BEING THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN CONNECTION WITH THE GRANT, IF IT IS IN FACT AWARDED, AND THEN IT RECOMMENDS A NEGATIVE OR THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, THE OBVIOUSLY THE RESOLUTION WOULD HAVE THE BOARD FINDING OR ISSUING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. SO WITH THOSE THREE RESOLUTIONS, DISTRICT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THAT PROCESS WOULD BE ABANDONED. YOU WOULD HAVE AUTHORIZED THE SUBMISSION OF THE APPLICATION FOR THE GRANT, AND YOU WOULD HAVE DONE SECRE ON THAT. THERE WAS ONE OPEN ITEM WHICH IS INDICATED IN THE IN THE SECRET RESOLUTION, AND THAT IS THAT IN ADDITION TO SECRET NEEDING TO BE COMPLETE, THE NEW YORK STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE PROCESS HAS TO BE COMPLETE.
WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SHPO. THEY WOULD LIKE SOME SURVEYS TO BE COMPLETED OF THE
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AREA, BECAUSE THE WATER LINE IS NOT GOING TO BE EXACTLY WHERE THE PRIOR ONE IS. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DEVIATION. WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN A LETTER FROM THE SHIPPO TO EFC THAT INDICATED THAT SO LONG AS THE TOWN COMMITTED TO GOING AHEAD AND DOING THE. THE SECRET THAT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THE SHIPPO HAD NO PROBLEMS OR DISPUTES WITH RESPECT TO THE EFC AWARDING OR COMMITTING FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT. CAMIE DO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT DRAFTED UP THE NEW LINES? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT? SO IF YOU DON'T GET THE GRANT, BASICALLY YOU'RE BACK IN THE POSITION THAT YOU WERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE DISTRICT, THEN YOU'D START THE PROCESS OF THE DISTRICT AGAIN.AND I GUESS WORKING WITH CAMI, WE'D HAVE TO JUST CONFIRM THAT NOTHING WILL HAVE CHANGED IN THE MAP PLAN AND REPORT JUST BASED UPON THE PROJECT WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED. IT WOULD JUST BE BASED UPON WHETHER ANY DOLLARS HAVE CHANGED DUE TO COST OR INFLATION. SO ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE PUTTING A PAUSE ON THE DISTRICT, IF RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO, IS PUT A PAUSE ON THE CREATION OF THE DISTRICT, MOVE FORWARD WITH GOING AFTER THE GRANT. IF FOR SOME REASON WE'RE GOING TO LIVE POSITIVELY AND BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO GET IT, BUT IF WE DON'T, THEN WE PICK BACK UP WHERE WE ARE NOW AND RESTART THE DISTRICT PROCESS, OR FIND ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS PROJECT, CORRECT WITH ONE WITH ONE SLIGHT, ONE SLIGHT DISTINCTION. WE'RE NOT PAUSING IT. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO STOP IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT ACTION STILL PENDING. BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SECRET SEGMENTATION. SO IT'S SAME EFFECT, BUT IT'S JUST ACTUALLY NOT PAUSING ANY TIME LIKE NO.
YEAH. NO. AND THAT'S AND THE REASON THAT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK TO LOSE TIME AT THIS POINT. RIGHT. AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO DATE FOR THE FORMATION OF THE DISTRICT IN TERMS OF THE MAP PLANNING REPORT, IN TERMS OF THE SEQRA, THAT'S ALL THE SAME. SO NOTHING HAS NOTHING HAS CHANGED THERE SUBSTANTIVELY IN YOUR BACK POCKET. HOW MUCH IS THE GRANT FOR THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER. DO YOU REMEMBER IS IT SEVEN I BELIEVE IT'S 70%.
YEAH. SO I THINK I WAS GONNA SAY I'D HATE TO BE CHASING THIS FOR LIKE $7,000. NO, NO, NO, IT'S THIS IS NOT WORTH. NO. IT'S CHASE. YEAH. NO IT'S SEVEN. IT'S 70%. YES. AND WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES OF GETTING IT? PRETTY GOOD. I DIDN'T SAY IT IS EXACTLY WHAT THESE GRANTS ARE WRITTEN FOR. FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO WATER SYSTEMS THAT ARE UNDERSIZED AND UNDERPERFORMING.
NO. SO MY NEXT QUESTION THEN IS LIKE, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO FACILITATE THAT, LIKE CONTACT ASSEMBLYMAN RIVERA OR ONE OF OUR SENATORS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THEY ARE PROVIDING LETTERS. THEY HAVE THEY HAVE BEEN CONTACTED. AND I THINK THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT ARE BEING INCLUDED WITH THE APPLICATION. COOL. SO I DON'T KNOW ANY ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE WEST, ARNOLD OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. INCLUDE THE. ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW INTO THE COASTAL ASSISTANCE. YES IT DID. YES. THERE'S ALSO IT INCLUDES A COASTAL CONSISTENCY DETERMINATION AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS AROUND THE RESOLUTION. YEP. YEP. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S IT FOR WESTERN I'LL TURN OVER TO ALEX FOR YOU. HEY ALEX, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD EVENING. I LIKE YOUR SHIRT.
I KNOW I GOTTA RIP ON VICTORY MONDAY. YEAH, I WAS ACTUALLY A RAVENS FAN, BUT DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST HIM. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? HE'S. AND I CAME UP IN THE GAME THIS TIME, BUT. SO A GOOD DAY.
I WAS LIKE, MY SON WOKE UP THIS MORNING AND HE WAS LIKE, WHAT? THE BILLS WON. YEAH. WHAT'S THE BEN THEY WERE BEHIND? LIKE YEAH CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POINTS THERE. AND THEN IT WAS A MIRACLE SOMEWHAT THAT JOSH ALLEN I THINK HAD HAPPENED. YEAH THAT'S RIGHT. NEVER NEVER OUT OF A GAME LAMAR PLAYED PRETTY GOOD TOO. OH MY GOD YEAH. ANYWAY I'M SORRY MR. KOZUB HERE'S TRAGEDY ALONG I CAN TALK. NO NO NO I WAS SAYING OH MY GOD, HE PLAYED GREAT. SO DID JACK. THIS IS, I'M SURE, NOT AS GOOD AS LAST NIGHT'S GAME, BUT THE THE TOWN REFUGE DISTRICT. SO IT'S GARBAGE, RIGHT? RIGHT. THE THIS IS THE SAME PROCESS THAT THE TOWN IS PUTTING A PAUSE ON. BUT WHEN I TOOK UNDER FOR WEST ARNOLD, IT'S THE FIRST STEP OF THE PROCESS IS THE CREATION OF A MAP PLAN AND REPORT HERE THAT OCCURRED. OR WE AUTHORIZED THE TOWN ENGINEER TO TAKE STEPS TO COMPLETE THAT ON JULY 7TH. THAT WAS SUBJECT TO PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM UNDER ARTICLE 12 A OF TOWN LAW THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED. THE MAP PLAN AND REPORT IS FINALIZED AND WILL BE FILED. TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE. AND NOW WE ARE AT THE STAGE OF CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REFUGE DISTRICT. THIS IS NOT AS ONEROUS OR TECHNICAL AS WOULD BE FOR A WATER OR SEWER DISTRICT. NEVERTHELESS, THERE ARE CERTAIN STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT NEED TO BE IN THE ORDER ALL THESE ARE INCLUDED IN THERE. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE DESCRIPTION OF
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THE SERVICES, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT. THIS BEING A FAIRLY LARGE DISTRICT, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO HAVE AN APPENDIX CONTAINING EVERY SINGLE PARCEL THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THIS DISTRICT. SO WE GOT A LITTLE CREATIVE AND IDENTIFIED THESE PROPERTIES BASED ON THEIR PROPERTY CLASSIFICATION CODES WITH THE TOWN AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS IS ALL ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS IN ANY REALLY RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR ANY PROPERTY THAT IS RESIDENTIAL. UP TO FOUR UNITS INELIGIBLE PROPERTIES INCLUDE VACANT LANDS, MOBILE HOME PARKS AND ANY LIKE CONDOS. I'M SORRY, NOT CONDOS, BUT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS WITH OVER FIVE UNITS. SO THINK OF LIKE A MAJOR APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT PERHAPS.ADDITIONALLY, THE WHAT WHAT IS ALSO INCLUDED IN HERE IS THE COST TO THE WELL, THE COST OF THE SERVICE ANNUALLY. AND THAT IS TWO $239.91. NOW THAT IS CHARGED PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT, NOT PER TAXABLE PARCEL. SO IF ONE PARCEL HAS FOUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THERE, THERE WOULD BE FOUR TIMES $239.91 FOR FOR THAT YEARLY. HOW MUCH IS THAT AGAIN, $239.91 TIMES FOUR FOR THE FIRST YEAR. AND THEN IT'S INCREASES BY NO GREATER THAN 3.5% IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS. SO THAT'S PER PARCEL OR PER UNIT ON THE PARCEL PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT. YES. OKAY. SO IF THERE'S FOUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT'S TIMES FOUR. YES OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE I'M FOLLOWING ALONG FOR THAT YEARLY FEE. THERE WILL BE A REFUSE AND RECYCLING BIN PROVIDED AND A WEEKLY COLLECTION OF OF GARBAGE, A BIWEEKLY COLLECTION OF RECYCLABLES AND FLATTENED CARDBOARD. AND THEN ONE BI MONTHLY BULK ITEM COLLECTION FOR A MAXIMUM OF FOUR BULK ITEMS PER YEAR. I'M SORRY, PER PICKUP. AND THAT WAS BIMONTHLY. THE BI YES, ONE BI MONTHLY BULK ITEM COLLECTION. NOW, ARE THERE STIPULATIONS ON THE I'M SORRY ON THE BULK THING KEN WASN'T IT WE WE WERE DID THE WAY WE DRAFTED IT WAS BI MONTHLY BUT DUE TO JANUARY AND FEBRUARY THEY JUST SAID POSSIBLY SIX TIMES A YEAR, WHICH COMES OUT TO BASICALLY THE SAME THING. OR IS IT BI MONTHLY? I'M JUST TRYING TO. OH, JUST TRYING TO OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE THAT'S THE WAY WE DRAFTED IN THE CONTRACT. BUT I THOUGHT SOMEBODY DURING THE COMMITTEE MEETING OR GARBAGE MEETING DRAFTED UP SAYING BECAUSE JANUARY, FEBRUARY WITH THE SNOW THERE JUST MAYBE POSSIBLY SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, I'M JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M. IS THERE STIPULATIONS IN THERE FOR RESIDENTS THAT NEED MORE THAN ONE GARBAGE RECEPTACLE PER PROPERTY PIECE? GARBAGE RECEPTACLE? THE THAT WAS AN ALTERNATE IN THE TOWN REQUESTED.
MAYBE A WORD TO THE LOW BIT OR DID NOT SELECT ANY OF ALTERNATE ALTERNATES. DID ALTERNATE ONE FOR ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL PARTICLES. OKAY, SO THERE'S NO PLAN IN PLACE IF A FAMILY NEEDS MORE THAN ONE GARBAGE VESSEL BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY DOING RECYCLING EVERY OTHER WEEK, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL CARTS FOR EITHER REFUSE OR RECYCLING. THE TOWN DID NOT SELECT A. BUILDING, AND THUS THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE $240 PRICE. SHOULD BE NOTED THAT CARTS ARE SOME. AS UTILIZED 65 GALLON. TOTES. CURVES OR POSSIBLY CHOICE. THIS PARTICULAR BID SPEC AND CONTRACT WITH A 95 GALLON OR LARGER SIZE WHEEL RECEPTACLE CART. I THINK THAT'S MORE POPULAR LATELY. THAT MAY HAVE TO DO WITH THE AUTOMATIC EQUIPMENT. MOST, NOT ALL, BUT MOST OF THE TRUCKS. MANY OF THE TRUCKS HAVE AUTOMATIC ARMS TO LIFT THOSE ARMS. ALEX, I HAVE A QUESTION. FRANK MAKOWSKI STC AGAIN, IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT CREATING A DISTRICT? I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TO FOR A DEFINITIVE ANSWER. I COULDN'T GIVE IT TO YOU TONIGHT. YOU COULD POTENTIALLY LICENSE IT OUT, PERHAPS. BUT IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, ROLLED OUT AT THIS POINT. NO. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY LICENSE IT OUT THEN THEY WOULD THEY WOULD JUST HAVE A LICENSE TO OPERATE THEN WITHIN THE TOWN. AND THAT WOULD BE AN EXCLUSIVE ARRANGEMENT ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WE
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COME UP WITH THIS IDEA, RIGHT? AND WE THINK WE'RE DOING GOOD. AND THEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. RIGHT? AND THAT'S JUST LIFE, I GUESS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE NEVER HERE. NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO BE UNHAPPY, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT GOES. AND SO BUT I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND SO I RESPECT IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN MAY NOT AGREE, BUT ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS I'VE HEARD IS SO WE'RE CREATING LIKE MORE GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS DISTRICT. AND SO AND LISTENING TO WHAT SOME OF THE CITIZENS HAD EXPRESSED TO ME WAS, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THE TOWN CREATING MORE GOVERNMENT? DON'T WE HAVE ENOUGH GOVERNMENT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. AND I'M LIKE, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, YOU KNOW? SO I FIGURED I WOULD ASK THE LAWYER, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT NECESSARILY CREATING ANOTHER GOVERNMENT? BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT? WE'RE CREATING. I THINK THAT'S FALSE. IF YOU'RE FINISHED, I THINK THAT'S A FALSE STATEMENT BECAUSE GOVERNMENT IS OUT OF IT. WE'RE MAKING A CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY. THE COMPANY IS PICKING UP THE TRASH. NOW, BEING THAT I WAS THE LIAISON PLACED THERE BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATOR, MY ASSISTANT BOB MAHONEY, AND I RECEIVED PLENTY OF I MEAN, I WAS STOPPED AT A FUNERAL AND ACTUALLY PEOPLE WERE THANKING ME AND TELLING ME IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED. AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF HERE, BUT EVEN PEOPLE THAT GO TO FLORIDA SIX MONTHS OUT OF YEAR AND THEY HAVE MAKE THEIR OWN CONTRACT, THE PRICE THAT WE'RE GETTING IS ABOUT THE SAME PRICE. AND THEY EVEN ADMITTED THAT THEY CAN'T DO THE SAME THING IN FLORIDA, STOP THEIRS FOR SIX MONTHS. AND, YOU KNOW, SO I, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING CREATING ANY KIND OF GOVERNMENT. I THINK IT'S TAKING IT OUT OF GOVERNMENT'S HANDS. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP THE PEOPLE. SURE. LOWER THE PRICES. YOU KNOW, LOOK, I AGREE WITH WHAT MR. KOZUB JUST SAID. I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE I YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. I MEAN, THE COMPLAINTS I'VE HEARD, JUST TO BE CANDID, ARE I THINK MY COLLEAGUE JUST ALLUDED TO THE BIWEEKLY RECYCLING BIN. SOME PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT. AND I KNOW THE CONTRACTS, THE BIDS, THE BID. RIGHT. LIKE WE'RE STUCK WITH IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD DO AN ADDENDUM, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF PEOPLE WANTED TO PAY EXTRA FOR WEEKLY, BECAUSE I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, MODERN, WHO IS THE BIDDER WHO WON THE BID? THEY DO WEEKLY RECYCLING. AND, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE'S LIKE A PROLIFIC AMAZON OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. PEOPLE ORDER STUFF LIKE YOU WALK AROUND HAMBURG OR ANY CITY IN AMERICA AND YOU SEE AMAZON TRUCKS EVERYWHERE, AND PEOPLE GENERATE A LOT OF WASTE LIKE CARDBOARD, RIGHT? BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S BEING SENT IN AMAZON BOXES. ANYWAY, I WAS JUST THOSE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS I HAD. I MEAN, I THINK THE OVERALL I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK IT'S GOOD. IT SAVES PEOPLE MONEY. BUT MY QUESTION NUMBER ONE, TO BE SUCCINCT IS, IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT CREATING THIS DISTRICT? AND NUMBER TWO, IS THERE A WAY TO MAYBE DO ADD ON IF PEOPLE WANTED WEEKLY RECYCLING? I THINK I COULD ANSWER THAT. BASICALLY, THE COMMITTEE DID A STUDY ON AND THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO THE RECYCLING. ONCE A WEEK, 60% OF THE PEOPLE GO WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. SO MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE REASON. IT'S BI WEEKLY, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO MAYBE THAT'S THE REASON. BUT ANYWAYS, I BELIEVE AND I'M NOT 100% POSITIVE THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE THEIR OWN CONTRACT WITH MODERN, THEY COULD GO AND GET ANOTHER TOTE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. MR. MAHONEY'S NOT HERE AND HE'D PROBABLY BE BETTER TO ANSWER IT.I COULD HAVE HIM SEND YOU AN EMAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF YOU WISH, BUT I BELIEVE YOU CAN.
YOU CAN ALSO GO AND MAKE YOUR LIKE IF YOU WANTED ANOTHER TOTE. I THINK THEY MENTIONED LIKE $100 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. SO YEAH, I JUST MEANT RELATIVE TO RECYCLING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF RECYCLING IS ONLY BIWEEKLY, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME A PROBLEM WHERE RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE A TRASH RECEPTACLE TO PUT IT IN. AND THEN WE'RE CHASING ONE PROBLEM WITH ANOTHER, AND WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH RATS. AND SURE, LIKE I JUST THE RATS ARE GOING TO COME AFTER CARDBOARD WHEN I WAS A STUDENT. NO, BUT IF IF THE RECYCLING RECYCLE, SOMETIMES YOU RECYCLE FOOD WASTE CONTAINERS AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THEM IN YOUR GARBAGE CAN. SURE. AND JUST A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH SHOWED THAT A FAMILY OF SIX WILL FILL 190 GALLONS OF A GARBAGE TOTE IF THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO RECYCLING. SURE, SO THAT PUTS US IN EXCESS. THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT TO GET AHEAD OF IT. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO AT LEAST REACH OUT TO THE BIDDER AND SAY, PLEASE GIVE US A LINE OF WHAT TO TELL RESIDENTS IF THEY WANT THAT SECOND CAMP OR DO THEY
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CALL YOU? DO THEY HAVE TO BID CONTRACT, LIKE GIVE US THE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A A COMMON PHONE CALL. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO PREVENT KATHY FROM HER AND HER TEAM PULLING THEIR HAIR. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE KATHY. SHE'S GOING TO BE RETIRED BY THEN. BUT NO, I REMEMBER GOING TO CALL IT I WENT TO I WENT TO COLLEGE IN ITHACA, NEW YORK, A LONG TIME AGO. AND THEY HAD ONE OF THE BRILLIANT THINGS THAT THEY DID AND, AND CORNELL STUDENTS, MOST OF THEM LIVE OFF CAMPUS. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THEY SET IT UP. BUT WHAT'S FUNNY ABOUT IT IS THEY HAD THE BRILLIANT IDEA BACK THEN TO CHARGE $3 FOR A BAG OF GARBAGE. SO THE POLICY WAS LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE YOU RECYCLE, WE'LL CHARGE YOU THREE BUCKS FOR A BAG. AND THEY AND THEY AND SO THEY HAD TO BUY TRASH TAGS AND PEOPLE WOULD CUT THEM IN HALF. OR THEN YOU WOULD HAVE LIKE PEOPLE RANDOMLY DUMPING GARBAGE AT, YOU KNOW, AT TOPS OR WEGMANS OR WHATNOT, BECAUSE IT BECAME SO EXPENSIVE FOR PEOPLE. SO I TO YOUR POINT, LIKE MEANING YOU DON'T WANT IT WHERE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO PUT THEIR GARBAGE. I, I WOULD JUST RATHER HAVE A, A STANDARD ANSWER. WE KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. HERE'S THE PHONE NUMBER YOU CALL. HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. LIKE THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO NEED A SECOND GARBAGE TOTE. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS. AND TO JUST GET BACK TO THEN THERE MAY BE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T NEED ONE GARBAGE TOTE AND CAN LIVE OFF ONE GARBAGE TOTE FOR A MONTH.YEAH, EXACTLY. COME OVER AND ADD ON TO YOUR TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION OF IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS? YEAH, I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO BECAUSE BASICALLY THIS IS BASED UPON ECONOMIES OF SCALE. RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS? YES. IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS FOR THAT PRICE? BECAUSE MODERN IS OBVIOUSLY IT'S ONE CONTRACT VERSUS THOUSANDS OF CONTRACTS. SO YEAH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WOULD HAVE THE PROBLEM OF FREELOADERS POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, LIKE IF WE DIDN'T CREATE THE DISTRICT AND IT'S A LICENSE THAT WOULD CREATE WIGGLE ROOM FOR PEOPLE NOT TO PARTICIPATE. IS THAT THE.
WELL? WELL, I THINK WHAT WOULD THEN HAPPEN IS YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE CONTRACTS, WHICH WOULD BE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THE WAY THAT THIS IS BEING DONE WITH THE CHARGE BEING ABLE TO BE PUT ON THE TAX BILL, THAT'S WHAT THE DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR. OTHERWISE YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF CONTRACTS. YOU LOSE THE LOSES THERE. SO THAT'S WHY WE STRUCTURE I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE PEOPLE, THEY RAISE IT AND I'M LIKE, I DIDN'T EVEN REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, TO BE CANDID WITH YOU UNTIL SOMEONE RAISED IT UP TO ME, YOU KNOW, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DISCUSSED WITH THE THE DISTRICT WANTS TO FORM THAT ALLOWS US TO PUT THE TAX LINE ITEM ON THE BILL. AND SO REALLY, BECAUSE THE WAY THE CONTRACT IS STRUCTURED, FOLLOWING ON THE SPECIFICATION, THERE'S THERE'S NO REAL ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OR EMPLOYEES INSIDE THE TOWN THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO DO IT. WE WANTED IT TO BE THAT THEY WOULD HANDLE THE ENTIRE SERVICE START TO FINISH, INCLUDING A HEALTH LINE TO ADDRESS COMPLAINTS, ETC. SO THAT WAS THE STYLE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE TOWN. FOR SURE. AND IF I IF I COULD ADD ARE YOU FINISHED? OKAY. I JUST WANT TO ADD ON THAT THE COMMITTEE DID GO AND LIKE I SAID, DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. THEY THEY'VE DONE STUDIES ON HOW MANY THEY MODELED IT AFTER. I THINK EVANS ORCHARD PARK AND THEN SOME OF THE ONES THAT DO THEIR OWN, LIKE CHEEKTOWAGA, WEST SENECA. SO AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM DO RECYCLING, YOU KNOW, EVERY OTHER WEEK AND THEY HAVE THOSE DISTRICTS. IS THAT WHAT THEY DO? WELL, ANYBODY WHO WANTED HAS IT ON THE TAX BILL AS A LINE ITEM HAS TO HAVE THAT DISTRICT. AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT, OF COURSE, IS TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM THIS SERVICE ARE HAVING THAT LINE ITEM ON THEIR TAX BILL. SO THAT'S THE SORT OF, I GUESS IT GOES TO FAIRNESS ISSUE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING. THE SERVICES ARE BEING CHARGED, RECEIVING THE DISTRICT CHARGE OF THE BILL, NO ONE ELSE. AND I THINK ORCHARD PARK DOES ONE, TWO, THREE UNITS, BUT THEY TAX EVERYBODY. THEY TAX COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, EVERYBODY. GOTCHA. SO AND THERE'S THIS STILL HIGHER THAN OURS. SO WELL WE HAVE TWO VILLAGES THAT BOTH PROVIDE THEIR OWN GARBAGE. GARBAGE SERVICE WITHIN THE TOWN. THE VILLAGES ARE CARVED OUT. YEAH. AND BLAISDELL ACTUALLY THEY DO THE SAME THING. THEY SUBCONTRACTORS OUT TO LOWEST BIDDER. OKAY. ANY ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS. WHO ARE THE BILLS PLAYING NEXT WEEK. YOU KNOW JETS. OH. ARE YOU NOT A JETS FAN TOO ARE YOU. THE JETS. THE JETS LOST THOUGH RIGHT. THE STEELERS. STEELERS YEAH ANOTHER.
THAT'S ANOTHER CLOSE GAME. THE ONE THE ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD JUST KIND OF LOOKING FORWARD. SO TODAY IS CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT THE RESOLUTION BUT IT'S CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOT YOUR NEXT MEETING. BUT THE FOLLOWING MEETING OCTOBER OCTOBER 6TH.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO, THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH TIME TO MEET
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THE PRE-PUBLICATION REQUIREMENTS AND THE PUBLICATION NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LOCAL PAPERS BY THE 20 BY THE 22ND. BUT WE DO IN FACT HAVE TO KEEP THIS KEEP THIS MOVING BECAUSE THERE IS A DEADLINE WITH RESPECT TO WHEN EVERYTHING HAS TO BE KEYED IN FOR PURPOSES OF THE ACTUAL TO ALLOW IT TO BE ON THE TAX BILL FOR QUARTER ONE OF NEXT YEAR, WHEN THIS WILL ALL BEGIN. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE THIS IS BEING TIMED AS IT IS SUCH THAT WE'RE CALLING PUBLIC HEARING. WE NOTICE TODAY, BUT FOR OCTOBER, FOR OCTOBER 6TH, YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS STUFF. NOT YOUR FIRST RODEO, RIGHT? NOT MY FIRST RODEO. YOU'VE BEEN LIVING IT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AS WELL. SO YEAH. THANKS, JOHN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS GENTLEMAN. OKAY. OKAY. OH 630 IF YOU WANT SOME EXCITEMENT, STICK AROUND AND WATCH A BOARD MEETING. BUT I THINK YOU GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO. YOU GOTTA TAKE THE VOTE FIRST. SECOND MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. SEE, I* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.