Apr 01, 2026 01-04-2025 PB Meeting

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EVERYBODY. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MAKE SURE EVERYBODY. MIKE IS ON. REMEMBER, TRACY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? PRESENT. CAITLIN SHIMURA, PRESENT. WILLIAM CLARK HERE. KIM. RYAN HERE. BRIAN STEWART HERE. RICK SAJAK HERE. SO WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR WE HAVE A FULL BOARD THIS EVENING.

AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, FOR THOSE WHO JUST WALKED IN OUR FIRST CASE, CORAL COTTAGE HOLIDAY HOMES RENTAL LLC HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. SO OUR FIRST CASE OF THE EVENING WILL BE

[2. Erie County Agricultural Society – Requesting Site Plan Approval for a proposal to demolish three (3) structures and construct a 32,850+/- sq-ft one-story building within the existing Slade Park between the existing Fireman's Building and Grange Building, to be located at 5600 McKinley Parkway]

OKAY. AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THIS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. WE'LL SEE. SO THE BOARD MEMBERS COULD NOT MAKE IT TODAY. SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO I'LL REPRESENT THEM. ANY QUESTIONS.

I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER EVERYTHING. I WILL PAUSE FOR A MOMENT FOR THAT. SO OUR GOAL IS TO REACH SITE, PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING. NEXT. THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF NEXT MONTH. THANK YOU. SO OUR PROJECT, AND I'LL ASK JOSH TO FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE. THIS IS SIMPLY OUR COVER PAGE, THE NICE BIG DARK SPOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DRAWING REPRESENTS OUR PROPOSED BUILDING. ALONG THE TOP BORDER IS SOUTH PARK AVENUE. ALONG THE BOTTOM IS MCKINLEY PARKWAY, AND THEN ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE IS QUIMBY DRIVE. THIS IS THE FULL MAP OF THE ERIE COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS. SO OUR PROJECT IS PROPOSING A BRAND NEW BUILDING FOR SLADE PARK, WHICH IS IN THE CENTER. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SLADE PARK AREA, IT'S A NICE LITTLE RESPITE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND IT CURRENTLY CONTAINS STARTING FROM THE LEFT, EXCUSE ME, FROM THE RIGHT, WHICH IS THE NORTH END OF IT, THE FIREMAN'S BUILDING. THEN THEY HAVE THE NEW YORK STATE POLICE BUILDING. THERE'S A RAPPELLING TOWER RIGHT NEXT TO THE THE BUILDING. A LOT OF FOLKS ENJOY THAT DURING THE FAIR. AND THEN YOU HAVE A MARKETPLACE BUILDING, AND WE THEN HAVE THE GRANGE BUILDING. AND THEN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH IS THE HISTORICAL BUILDING. NOW, MOST OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE USED IN THIS IN THE CENTER OF THE AREA 12 MONTHS OF THE YEAR. SOME ARE NOT. THE FIREMAN'S BUILDING IS NOT. NEITHER IS THE HISTORICAL BUILDING. SO RECENTLY THEY HAD PLANTASIA AT THE FAIRGROUNDS.

PLANTASIA IS AN EVENT THAT TOOK NOT ONLY THE EVENT CENTER, BUT IT TOOK THE GRANGE BUILDING AND THE NEW YORK STATE TROOPERS BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE VENDORS FOR USE. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY IS PROPOSING A NEW BUILDING THAT WILL SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THE OTHER

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THEY WILL HAVE CONFERENCES IN IT, SAME TYPE OF EVENTS THAT YOU HAVE ALL YEAR LONG. AND WHEN THE FAIR COMES UP, INDIVIDUAL VENDORS DURING THOSE ITEMS AS WELL. SO SINCE WE'RE SO FAR FROM THE ROADS WE MEET ALL THE BUILDING SETBACKS, WE MEET THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR BUILDING AND SIGNAGE IS A SPECIFIC REGULATION. IT'S REQUIRES ANYTHING WITHIN 250FT TO COME BACK BEFORE YOUR BOARD. WE'RE PAST THAT, OF COURSE. WE'RE ABOUT 1200 FEET FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ITS DISTANCE FROM OUR NEIGHBORS AND THE STREETS, WE ALSO DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PARKING HERE. WE TALKED. I HEARD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PARKING. YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY AND AWESOME RESPONSIBILITY TO ACTUALLY HELP FOLKS COME TO WHAT IS AN EQUIVALENCY IN PARKING THESE DAYS. FORTUNATELY, THERE'S QUITE A FEW STALLS HERE. THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT PARKING, AND I'M SURE YOU WON'T BE FOR WHAT WE ARE DOING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ADDING ANYTHING THAT WILL BE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THEIR PARKING IS NEEDED FOR THIS. WE'RE TALKING JUST IN THE MAIN AREA AROUND THE CASINO, AND YOU CAN SORT OF SEE ALL THE LITTLE NUANCE PARKING SPACES. THEY PROBABLY HAVE OVER 3000FT■S OR 3000 PARKING SPACES HERE, PROBABLY MORE THAN YOU WILL FIND IN ANY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OR PUBLIC PROPERTY AROUND. SO I'M GLAD YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE. IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BECAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO MAKE A BUILDING THAT FITS IN WITH THE ESTHETIC, THE ARCHITECTURE THAT EXISTS THERE. AND I'M GOING TO HAVE JOSH GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. SO THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THE PROJECT. YOU WILL SEE AN OUTLINE WHERE THE NEW BUILDING IS. SO THIS IS A DEMOLITION PREPARATORY PLAN. SO AGAIN TOWARDS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU HAVE THE FIREMAN'S BUILDING. AND THE NEXT IS WHAT WE CALL THE OLD WOOD CARVERS BUILDING. IT'S A DASHED OUTLINED BUILDING THAT'S BEEN GONE FOR A FEW YEARS. RIGHT? IT WAS USED TO BE A TWO STORY BUILDING, THEIR WOOD FRAME STRUCTURE. THE NEXT BUILDING DASHED OUTLINED. THAT IS THE NEW YORK STATE TROOPERS. IT'S NOT USED EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE VERY MINOR EVENTS. AND DURING THE FAIR, THE TROOPERS TAKE CARE OF IT AND OPERATE IT. WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THOSE FOLKS, AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY'LL HAVE A PRESENCE INSIDE THIS NEW BUILDING DURING THE FAIR TIME. SO THEY HAVE A PLACE TO BE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING SOME WORK IN CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S A TINY LITTLE SQUARE IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER OF THE NEW STRUCTURE. THAT'S WHERE THE RAPPELLING TOWER IS. WE WILL BE TAKING THAT DOWN AS WELL. NEXT TO IT IS THE MARKETPLACE BUILDING GOING TO THE LEFT. THAT'S A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. IT'S GOT TWO LITTLE PEAKS ON IT. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS. IT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK, NEW ROOFS, THAT SORT OF THING. AND IT'S UNDER SIZE FOR THEIR NEEDS. THERE'S ALSO A VERY SMALL TEN FOOT WIDE CORRIDOR THAT CONNECTS THAT BUILDING TO THE GRANGE BUILDING.

MARKETPLACE HAS NO PLUMBING, IT HAS NO TOILET ROOMS. THEY'RE PROBABLY LUCKY IT HAS HEAT, THERE'S NO AIR CONDITIONING IN IT, THAT SORT OF THING. THE GRANGE BUILDING NEXT TO IT, BUILT IN THE 1960S. GREAT PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT WILL STAY. SO WE'RE BOOKENDING THOSE TWO

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EVERYBODY KNOWS, OH, THE FOOD VENDORS ARE ALL IN THAT AREA. WORKS OUT VERY WELL FOR THAT.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO STRIKE THAT EDGE AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, AND I WILL. LET'S SEE, HOW DO HOW SHOULD I SAY THIS HESITATION ABOUT GREEN SPACE. WE WILL HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE IN THE END OF THIS PROJECT THAN THERE IS THERE NOW. SO THERE WILL BE MORE GRASS.

TREES ARE ALL GOING TO BE KEPT. I DIDN'T SHOW THEM ON HERE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY GOING ON. WE'RE ONLY TAKING A FEW OUT WHERE THE BUILDING IS, AND THERE WILL BE SOME NEW LANDSCAPING COMING IN. WHAT I LIKE. ALSO YOU CAN SEE SOME DASH LINES WHERE THE PATHS ARE.

SO THOSE WILL BE MODIFIED AS WELL BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING. AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S UTILITIES THAT GO THROUGH HERE TOO, OF COURSE. SO WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THOSE.

THAT'S A THAT'S SOMETHING CAMI WILL HAVE FUN WITH LATER. IF YOU WOULD GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.

SO THIS REPRESENTS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN WE'RE COMPLETED. SO THE FIREMAN'S BUILDING IS THERE. WE HAVE OUR PROPOSED BUILDING. AND WHEN THEN WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL A CIRCULATION NODE THAT IS DIRECTLY BETWEEN THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND THE GRANGE. OKAY. NOW WE'VE SITED THIS BUILDING SO THAT THE EVENT CENTER ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE IS A DIRECT PATH WALKING PATH FROM THAT ENTRANCE EXIT DIRECTLY INTO OUR BUILDING. SO WE HAVE A NICE ALIGNMENT THERE FOR CIRCULATION. SO IF THERE IS A CONNECTED EVENT, IT'S A STRAIGHT PATH FOR PEOPLE TO GO.

IF THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT ALSO WOULD BE VERY GOOD DURING THE FAIR TIMES. THE CIRCULATION NODE ALSO HAS A DIRECT PATH TO THE BUILDING ABOVE IT, THE EXPO HALL. SO THAT'S THE ONE WHERE IF YOU'RE IN THE FAIR, I THINK THE LAST FEW YEARS THE USA MADE PERSON AND THE LOTTERY FOLKS ARE IN THAT BUILDING. OKAY, SO THERE WILL BE A DIRECT CIRCULATION PATH THERE AS WELL. AND WE'VE CREATED A FEW OTHER LITTLE PATHS AROUND HERE THAT IS VERY MINDFUL OF THE TREES THAT ARE PRESENT. SO WE'LL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE NEW STRIPING ALONG THE EDGE. THE IDEA IS TO PUT A CONCRETE WALKWAY ALONG THERE.

SO WE HAVE CONNECTABILITY TO ALL THESE BUILDINGS FROM THERE. PLUS WE WILL HAVE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION IDENTIFIED IN THE PARKING LOT TO HELP FOLKS WHEN WE'RE HAVING EVENTS IN THIS AREA. SO IN A PARK, YOU'RE A FOUR SIDED BUILDING. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE COMPONENTS WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS BUILDING. SO ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IS THE ACTUAL MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT FACES THE PARKING LOT. THAT IS THE ONE THAT WILL BE USED FOR INDIVIDUAL EVENTS DURING THE 12 MONTHS OF THE YEAR. WE CALL THEM 12 MONTHS AND 12 DAYS OF THE FAIR. SOMETIMES I SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE REFERENCE TO THAT. IT'S JUST A TALKING POINT. AND THEN THERE WILL BE AN ENTRANCE THAT FACES THE CIRCULATION NODE AND ONE THAT FACES 42ND STREET ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, FACING THE FIREMEN'S BUILDING. WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THINGS.

THE NECESSARY EVILS, I CALL THEM AND I CALL MY MY MEP DESIGNERS. I YELL AT THEM FOR SHOWING THESE THINGS. SO WE'RE ENCLOSING ALL OF THIS STUFF. WE'RE GOING TO PUT ABOUT EIGHT FOOT HIGH ENCLOSURE THAT WILL HAVE THE DUMPSTERS, THAT WILL HAVE THE TRANSFORMERS, THAT WILL HAVE THE CONDENSER UNITS, ALL THAT STUFF THERE ON THE GROUND. SO YOU DON'T SEE IT, ESPECIALLY DURING THE FAIR TIME. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE NEAR IT, NOR DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO REALLY SEE IT. THAT AREA ALSO IS THE BACKSIDE OF THE FIREMAN'S, WHICH IS THEIR DELIVERY ACCESS DURING THE FAIR TIME AS WELL. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THOSE COMMON THINGS IN THE BACK. AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CASINO, IF YOU EVER LOOK ON THAT SIDE OF THE CASINO, IT'S THE BACK SIDE. THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF MECHANICALS BACK THERE TOO. SO THAT'S SORT OF THAT NODE OVER THERE. AND THE ONLY BUILDING IN BETWEEN THAT IS A SMALL BATHROOM THAT'S IN THERE.

SPEAKING OF BATHROOMS, ON OUR LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, WE WILL HAVE OUR TOILET ROOMS FOR

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SO IT'LL HELP THEM LONG TERM, COST WISE, PUTTING THEM ALL WITHIN THE BUILDING, MAINTAINING THEM MUCH EASIER FOR THEM AS WELL. I'LL SHOW YOU THE THE PLAN A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU. MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANY MISS ANY OF MY TALKING POINTS. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. WHY DON'T WE HEAD TO THE NEXT DRAWING. THIS IS THE PHASING PLAN. SO WE CAN'T BUILD THE BUILDING IN TEN MONTHS BETWEEN THE FAIR AND THE FAIR. IF I PROMISED MY CLIENT WE COULD, I'D BE LYING TO THEM, AND EVERY CONTRACTOR WOULD YELL AT ME. OKAY, SO WHAT WE'VE WORKED WITH IS WE DID SIT DOWN WITH SOME VERY GOOD CONTRACTORS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 14 MONTH SCHEDULE TO BUILD THIS BUILDING, MAYBE 16 MONTHS, DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HAPPEN. SO AFTER THE FAIR OF THIS YEAR, WE WOULD PLAN TO START CONSTRUCTION OF THE UTILITIES AND DEMOLISHING SOME OF THE BUILDINGS. AND WE WOULD START WITH THE STATE POLICE BUILDING AND RECONFIGURE THE UTILITIES, GET THEM OUT OF THE WAY WHERE THE NEW BUILDING IS, MAKE SOME CONNECTIONS GO, AND THAT'S UP IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER. THE NEXT PANEL TO THE RIGHT UPPER, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S UP TO THE UPPER LEFT. TO THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER IS WHEN THE FAIR ACTUALLY HAPPENS. FOR THOSE WEEK AND A HALF, WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE THAT CHAIN LINK FENCE BECAUSE IT WILL BE COMPLETELY ENCLOSED. WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PUBLIC AND CONSTRUCTION. AND WE WILL THEN BRING THAT IN TIGHT TO THE BUILDING. SO THE MARKETPLACE BUILDING EXISTS, THE FIREMAN'S BUILDING EXISTS, AND WE WILL JUST HAVE AN ENCLOSURE AROUND HERE FOR THE DURATION OF THE FAIR. AS SOON AS THE FAIR ENDS, WE OPEN THAT BACK UP. WE GO TO THE FIRST PANEL IN THE UPPER LEFT AND WE WORK THROUGH THE WINTER TIME. THE BUILDING WILL BE ENCLOSED BY FAIR OF 2027, BUT YOU CAN'T GET INTO IT. WE KNOW IT WON'T BE READY. YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE LUCKY IF THE TILES ON MAYBE THE FIXTURES, NO KITCHEN EQUIPMENT, WHO KNOWS. BUT IT WON'T BE READY FOR THAT SORT OF THING. SO WHEN WE HIT THE SPRING OF 2028, THAT'S THE LOWER LEFT PANEL. WE THEN ENCLOSED THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE MARKETPLACE BUILDING, BECAUSE WE NEED THAT FOR THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS. WE NEED IT DURING THE 1 OR 2 EARLY SPRING EVENTS BEFORE WEATHER BREAKS. SO THEY LIKE TO USE THAT FOR SOME OF THE LARGER EVENTS. WHEN THEY'RE DONE, WE'RE GOING TO ENCLOSE IT, TAKE THAT BUILDING DOWN. AND THEN THE LAST PANEL IS CONSTRUCT THAT CIRCULATION NODE SO THAT BY THE FAIR OF 2028, EVERYTHING IS READY TO GO AND OPEN FOR USE FOR THE PUBLIC. OKAY. NEXT PANEL, THIS IS THE CONCEPT FLOOR PLAN WE HAVE. SO THIS CENTER OF THIS BUILDING, AND IF I REMEMBERED EVERYTHING, I WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME OVER AND MAKE SURE I READ ALL OF MY NOTES AGAIN. SO THE EXHIBIT SPACE IN THE CENTER IS JUST OVER 15,000FT■S TOTAL OF 20,000 WITH YOU INCLUDE THE TWO CONFERENCE AREAS ON THE LEFT.

YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A NOTE WHERE THE STATE TROOPERS WOULD BE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CONFERENCE ROOMS AROUND THE PERIMETER AND THEN TO THE RIGHT SIDE WE HAVE THE LOADING, THE MECHANICAL ROOMS. WE HAVE A CONCESSION AREA AND THEN THE RESTROOMS ON THE BOTTOM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DOORS THAT GO DIRECTLY OUTSIDE FOR COMMON CIRCULATION. A LOT OF FAMILY ROOM SPACES FOR FOLKS WHO NEED THAT DURING THOSE TIMES AS WELL. IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND TO FLIP TO THE NEXT ONE, THIS, THESE ARE OUR ELEVATIONS. SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS FAIR IS EXPOSED TO ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING AND WE'RE DESIGNING IT AS SUCH THAT EACH ENTRANCE LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. SO THE TOP THE TOP ELEVATION IS THE ONE THAT FACES THE PARKING LOT. IT IS TRULY OUR MAIN ENTRY. AND THOSE WINDOWS, ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK SORT OF RANDOM HOW WE HAVE CROSS PANELS AND DIFFERENT HEIGHTS WITH THEM. IT'S AN HOMAGE TO THE GRANGE. THAT IS WHAT THE GRANGE ELEVATION LOOKS LIKE. SO AN ARCHITECT NAMED ARTHUR DAVIS DID THIS IN 1964, THE GRANGE BUILDING. AND IT'S A WONDERFUL STRUCTURE. THEY LOVE IT. WOOD FRAMED TIMBER

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AND JOSH, IF YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THIS TOP ELEVATION IS WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE FIREMAN'S BUILDING, WHERE WE HAVE OUR ENCLOSURE FOR THE DUMPSTERS. THE CLEAR STORY WINDOW THEME CONTINUES. IT ALSO HAS LOUVERS IN THE WINDOWS FOR OUR AIR INTAKE SYSTEMS THAT WE WILL NEED FOR THE HVAC, MAINLY INSIDE THE BUILDING. AND WE HAVE A MINOR CROSS SECTION THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A FLAVOR OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS BUILDING. SO IT IS PEAKED HIPPED ROOF DESIGN. THE IDEA IS WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THIS PARK. WE DON'T WANT A FLAT COMMERCIAL LOOKING STRUCTURE. THE GRANGE BUILDING HAS GABLE END ROOFS.

THIS WILL HAVE HIP ROOFS. FIREMAN'S BUILDING HAS A MANSARD ROOF. SO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT FLAVORS OF ARCHITECTURE WILL BE IN THIS ONE AREA. AND JOSH, IS THE RENDERING AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT ONE. THAT'D BE GREAT. SO THIS WILL GIVE YOU MORE OF A FLAVOR OF THE COLORS. HERE WE GO. THANK YOU. SO THE FIREMAN'S BUILDING AND THE OTHER FOLKS, THEY HAVE SOME NICE RED BRICKS. WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH A GRAY TONE BRICK. SO IT'S A MODERN FLAVOR. THE GRAYS AND THE BLACKS AND THE WHITE WITHIN THIS. SO IT HAS ITS OWN IDENTITY. BUT THE MATERIALS WILL BE EXTREMELY SIMILAR AND COMPLEMENTARY TO EVERYTHING. SO YOU AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE CLEAR STORY WINDOWS WRAPPING AROUND THE BUILDING WITH THE ENTRANCE FEATURES. WE HAVE THE DECORATIVE LIGHTING AND YOU SEE SOME FLAGS AND THAT SORT OF THING WILL BE IN THAT CIRCULATION NODE. WE'RE STILL GETTING INTO THE DESIGN OF WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS, YET WE HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS INVOLVED. YOU MAY KNOW MOLLY VAN DER AND JOY KEEBLER. THEY'LL BOTH BE INVOLVED IN THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

I'VE SAID A WHOLE BUNCH, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT IT, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE THAT I CAN ADDRESS FOR YOU. OKAY. JOSH, DO YOU HAVE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO ALL OF THIS? THAT WAS QUITE A BIT OF MATERIAL. YEAH, SURE. I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD THAT TO MR. HUNTER'S POINT. THIS OBVIOUSLY IS THE FAIRGROUND DISTRICT ZONING, WHICH I PROVIDED EVERYBODY A COPY OF, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE USED TO IN THE TOWN. IT'S OBVIOUSLY SPECIFIC FOR THE FAIR AND FAIR ASSOCIATED ITEMS. THE REASON WHY THIS PROJECT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU'LL SEE STRUCTURES AND TEMPORARY STRUCTURES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE FAIR THAT ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN COME TO THIS BOARD. A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST WORK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. BUT BECAUSE THIS STRUCTURE IS 32,000FT■!S, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME NON-FAIR EVENTS. IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE PERMANENT, NOT TEMPORARY. THAT'S WHY IT'S BEFORE THE BOARD. SO I JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED IN THE FAIRGROUNDS DISTRICT, THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS USUALLY TALK ABOUT THE TEMPORARY USES. BUT BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, THE PERMANENCE OF THIS PROJECT AND HOW BIG IT IS, CODE ENFORCEMENT DID MAKE THE INTERPRETATION TO SEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I'LL ADD IS OBVIOUSLY, FROM A SEEKER PERSPECTIVE, WE WILL CONSIDER THIS AN UNLISTED ACTION BECAUSE THIS IS WITHIN THE SLADE PARK FAIRGROUNDS AREA. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S ON A STATE ROAD OR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY GOING TO BE ANY AGENCY CONSULTATION. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS WORTHY OF A COORDINATED REVIEW. OBVIOUSLY, IF THIS BOARD DEEMS THAT THEY WANT TO, THEY CAN CERTAINLY DO SO. BUT REALLY THE ONLY APPROVAL AGENCY IS THIS PLANNING BOARD. SO THAT KIND OF JUST SUMMARIZES THE ZONING PIECE. CODE ENFORCEMENT TO LOOK AT IT. IT DOESN'T NEED ANY VARIANCES AT THIS TIME. AND THEN FROM A SECRET PERSPECTIVE, WE'LL CONSIDER IT AN UNLISTED ACTION. AND IN MY RECOMMENDATION, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S WORTHY OF A COORDINATED REVIEW. AND I THINK WE CAN, BASED OFF OF YOUR QUESTIONS, SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING. I KNOW THE APPLICANT ASKED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, IF POSSIBLE, TO BE SCHEDULED FOR MAY 6TH IF POSSIBLE. SO. MAY 6TH, NOT THE 15TH. YEAH, THEY WANTED TO TABLE IT ANOTHER WEEK OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE 15TH.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND AND THANKS, JOSH, I APPRECIATE THAT IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE THAT WE HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE ROADS. WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN NEW CURB CUTS.

THERE'S NO NEW DRIVEWAYS. NO, THERE'S NO UTILITY CONNECTIONS. EVERYTHING IS ALREADY EXISTING HERE WITHIN THE THE NEEDS OF THE FAIRGROUNDS. THANK YOU. ENGINEERING. DO YOU HAVE

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ENGINEERING WOULD REVIEW SHOULD THE PROJECT GO FORWARD. UTILITIES, GRADES, DRAINAGE, THOSE ITEMS. BUT EARLY. LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN AS IT STANDS, THERE'S NO REAL CONCERNS FROM ENGINEERING. OKAY. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. COMMENTS. QUESTIONS. MEMBER CLARK. NO. OH YOU WERE GRABBING THE MICROPHONE. I DON'T REMEMBER FINLEY. REMEMBER? RYAN.

REMEMBER? RYAN. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY BEARINGS WITH ALL THIS SLATE PARK I'M GOING TO REFER TO DURING FAIR WHERE THEY HAVE THE STAGE. IS THAT LEAVING? IS THAT STAYING OR ARE YOU JUST INCORPORATING IT IN ITS ACTUAL. HE'S MY RIGHT HAND MAN HERE.

GOING TO ONE MORE. YEAH, THE BIG PICTURE ONE. SO. THANKS FOR ME BEING NOT TOO FORMAL HERE.

SO THE STAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RIGHT IN THIS AREA HERE, RIGHT? THE ENTERTAINMENT FAIR. NO, NO, THERE'S A SMALLER ONE THAT'S BANDSHELL. OH YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. SO THEY'RE, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY WRITE THAT RIGHT IN HERE. THEY HAVE THAT EVERY YEAR. THEY HAVE THE CONCERT. I THINK THE PEPSI FAIR BAND OFF IS ON THERE OR DIFFERENT BANDS AND THAT SORT OF THING. YES.

THAT WILL BE REORGANIZED WITHIN THE PARK AREA. WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL PLACE FOR THAT, BUT IT WILL EXIST. OKAY, SO THE PICNIC TABLES AND ALL THAT WILL EXIST FOR THE FAMILIES. ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYONE ELSE REMEMBER MEMBER SHIMURA? I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT THEN JUST SHOWS THE THE TREES TO REMAIN WHAT TO BE DEMOED AND THEN YOUR NEW LANDSCAPING. I KNEW THAT WAS COMING. BUT THEN ALSO I HAVE I'M SLIGHTLY HESITANT TO ASK THAT BECAUSE I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE KIND OF TEMPORARY NATURE THAT ENDS UP HAPPENING WITH THE ENTIRE SITE, AND THAT THERE'S TEMPORARY LANDSCAPING THAT COMES IN. BUT THE IDEA OF JUST RECOGNIZING HOW MANY TREES ARE COMING DOWN AND STAYING, WHICH YOU GUYS PROBABLY UNDERSTAND WITH YOUR DEMO PLAN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. YOU MAY KNOW JOY KEEBLER, SHE'S BEEN AROUND FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. WE EVEN WORKED TOGETHER FOR MANY YEARS. SO THE CONCEPT IS THIS IS A PARK AND THE FAIR ABSOLUTELY NEEDS THIS TO STAY AT A PARK. THEY CONSIDER THIS A RESPITE. DURING THE FAIR, YOU HAVE A HOT, WARM DAY. THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE YOU GO TO RELAX AND COOL OFF. WE'VE HAD A FEW MEETINGS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE CALL THEM WITH THEIR BOARD OR THAT SORT OF THING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT. WELL, THERE'S THIS LINE OF TREES THAT GO THROUGH THAT DOUBLE PATH, AND I BELIEVE THE TERM IS SOME GUM TREES, AND I'M NOT POSITIVE, SO I WON'T LEAVE THAT AS A QUOTE. NOW WE'VE DONE SOME REVIEW OF THE EXISTING TREES. SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY GETTING PAST THEIR LIFETIME, RIGHT. SO WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER WITH THEIR HELP, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS HELP A PLANTING PLAN SO THAT IF THINGS ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED ANYTIME SOON, WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THEIR PLACE? HOW CLOSE DO YOU PLANT THOSE NEW ONES? AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO BE AROUND THE NEW PROJECT? I AM HOPEFUL FOR THE MEETING ON NEXT MONTH THAT WILL HAVE THAT TO SHOW EVERYBODY SOME RENDERINGS, SO YOU CAN SEE AND HAVE THAT COMFORT LEVEL DURING THE FAIR. YES, YOU WILL HAVE THE PICNIC TABLES SPREAD ALL OVER. YOU'LL HAVE THE BANDSTANDS. YOU WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM. BUT THERE THIS CONNECTING NODE WILL ALSO BE SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL, MORE THAN JUST A PATH THROUGH THIS AREA, WE'RE WORKING ON WHAT THAT WILL BE SO WE CAN REPRESENT THAT. AND I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BRING SOME RENDERINGS. IN FACT, I'LL COMMIT TO BEING ABLE TO DO THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO SHOW YOU THE VISION THAT WE HAVE HERE, A FORMAL LANDSCAPE PLAN.

I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BRING THAT FOR THE NEXT MONTH, BUT CERTAINLY IT WILL COME FORWARD DURING THIS PROCESS FOR REVIEW. DOES THAT HELP? YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK BY THE TIME THAT THE THAT YOU COME BACK, WE SHOULD YOU COULD PRESENT TO THIS BOARD IF THERE'S ANY TREES COMING DOWN, HOW MANY AND HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED. I CAN HAVE THAT COUNT EASILY. VERY

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OKAY. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BOARD MEMBERS? NO. SO JOSH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ORDER THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT DAY AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE TREE COUNT, THEN WE'LL BE SEEING YOU BACK HERE BACK IN MAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY. YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME. OUR NEXT CASE IS BRANDON SANTOS REQUESTING A SITE PLAN

[3. Brandon Santa – Requesting Site Plan Approval for a proposal to construct six (6) shop warehouse buildings along with other associated site improvements to be located on a 7.46-acre parcel at 0 Lakeshore Road (SBL #: 150.00-1-6.2)]

SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD WAS A PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE HAVE COMMENTS THIS EVENING FROM THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY FROM KARINA WOODS, WHICH IS WORKING ON THE LANDSCAPING, I BELIEVE FOR THE APPLICANT. WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND WE ALSO HAVE RESPONSE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. SO WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU GO FIRST. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE JOSH SPEAK. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD. OKAY. CHAIRPERSON, I DO HAVE THE PRESENTATION THAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME UPDATED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THOROUGHLY YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THAT. OR WOULD YOU RATHER ME SKIP TO WHERE IT'S NEW INFORMATION IF YOU JUST TO THE NEW INFORMATION, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER STUFF TO COVER. SO SCROLL DOWN FURTHER. FURTHER, FURTHER, IT'LL SAY UPDATE SUBMISSION.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING HELD OWNED BY THE WAY. GOOD EVENING, SEAN HOPKINS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. BRANDON SANTA. ALSO WITH ME IS BRANDON AND BRITTANY SANTA AS WELL AS ANTHONY PANDOLFI. THERE WAS EXTENSIVE INPUT RECEIVED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING HELD BY THE PLANNING BOARD IN EARLY MARCH. WE DID MAKE AN UPDATED PROJECT SUBMISSION ON MARCH 27TH, AND THE BASIC CHANGE THAT WE MADE IS THAT WE TOOK THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED LANDSCAPING SCREENING THAT WAS SHOWN ON THAT 30 FOOT WIDE PARCEL TO THE NORTH, AND WE'VE NOW MOVED IT TO DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDINGS. THAT WAS INPUT RECEIVED DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING. WE ALSO DID CONSIDER SHORTENING THE WIDTH OF THE INTERIOR DRIVE AISLE OR ACCESS AISLE ON THE NORTH BUILDINGS. HOWEVER, AFTER LOOKING AT VARIOUS OTHER SITES, THE WIDTH THAT WE'RE SHOWING IS WHAT'S NECESSARY IN ORDER FOR VEHICLES TO HAVE PROPER SPACE FOR BACKING UP, TURNING AROUND, ETC. ETC. NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT'S THE UPDATED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

YOU'LL RECALL THE PREVIOUS LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH SHOWED THEM ALONG, SHOWED THE LANDSCAPING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. WE ARE AWARE THAT ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, WHO ALSO HAPPENS TO HAVE A BACKGROUND IN LANDSCAPING, PROVIDED US WITH SOME COMMENTS IN TERMS OF MODIFYING THE PLANTINGS. WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WE WILL BE OKAY MODIFYING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ACCORDINGLY. NEXT SLIDE. BEFORE YOU GO ON TO THAT, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. DID YOU FEEL FREE? I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS THIS. A LETTER FROM THE ATTORNEY FROM THE COUNTY ABOUT THE SETBACK. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO LET HIM GO FOR IT? YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU GUYS HAVE IT FROM THE ERIE COUNTY ABOUT THIS? OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. BECAUSE WE GOT IT TEN MINUTES AGO. SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE JUST GOT IT TODAY AS WELL. OKAY? OKAY. SO THEN OF COURSE, THIS IS THE DETAIL SHEET LANDSCAPE DRAWING PLAN DRAWING L 101 THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE PREVIOUS PLAN. AGAIN, TAKING THAT LANDSCAPING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ALONG THE OFF SITE PROPERTY AND NOW MOVING THAT BACK DIRECTLY BEHIND THE BUILDINGS. WE DO TEND TO AGREE WITH THE INPUT WE PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED THAT THAT WILL PROVIDE MORE EFFECTIVE LANDSCAPING. NEXT SLIDE. OBVIOUSLY, ONE ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT THAT'S STILL PENDING IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT. OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE'VE PROVIDED VERY EXTENSIVE DOCUMENTATION ADDRESSING A WIDE ASSORTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE IN A POSITION NOW THAT WHEN COMFORTABLE, YOU CAN PROCEED WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.

PREVIOUSLY, YOU AUTHORIZED A COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. I BELIEVE THE 30 DAY COMMENT PERIOD EXPIRED IN LATE FEBRUARY, AND NONE OF THE AGENCIES THAT RESPONDED. WHILE

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NUMBER ONE, YOU ACTING AS THE LEAD AGENCY AND NUMBER TWO, MORE IMPORTANTLY, FROM MY CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE, NONE OF THE COMMENTS RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT KEYWORD BEING SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. NEXT SLIDE. SO I'M GOING TO SUMMARIZE THE STUFF WE HAVE ADDRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. WE DO HAVE A NO IMPACT LETTER ISSUED BY THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF PARKS, RECREATION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, DATED MARCH 2ND OF THIS YEAR, BASICALLY CONFIRMING THIS PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON ARCHEOLOGICAL, CULTURAL OR HISTORICAL RESOURCES. NEXT SLIDE. WE HAVE A PARTIAL DETERMINATION ISSUED BY THE DEC CONFIRMING THERE ARE NO DEC FRESHWATER WETLANDS ON THE PROJECT SITE. PURSUANT TO THE MUCH MORE STRINGENT WETLAND REGULATIONS THAT WENT INTO EFFECT ON JANUARY 1ST OF 2025. AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE WETLAND BUFFER LINE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. NEXT SLIDE. WE HAVE A JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION ISSUED BY THE UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS DATED APRIL 11TH OF LAST YEAR. AND THERE ARE NO JURISDICTIONAL FEDERAL WETLANDS ON THE SITE. SO IN SUMMARY, IN TERMS OF WETLANDS, THERE ARE NO WETLANDS SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF EITHER THE DEC OR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS ON THE SITE. DESPITE THE FACT THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS MADE SUGGESTING OTHERWISE. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE DO WANT TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. YOU ASKED US TO DO THAT, AND WE HAVE. SO I'M GOING TO DO IT CATEGORY BY CATEGORY. AND OF COURSE, DO FEEL FREE TO PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS AS I PROCEED. AGAIN. WETLANDS BULLET POINT ONE THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THIS PROJECT SITE, AND THAT'S BASED ON WETLAND DETERMINATIONS WE HAVE FROM BOTH WETLAND PERMITTING AGENCIES, AS WELL AS THE UNDERLYING WETLAND DELINEATION REPORT PREPARED BY EARTH DIMENSIONS. ON OCTOBER OF 2020 FOUR. STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

ANTHONY'S TEAM AT CARMITA WOOD DESIGN ARE WELL AWARE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO SATISFY STORMWATER QUANTITY AND QUALITY STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE NEED FOR THAT SYSTEM TO HANDLE 100 YEAR STORM EVENT. RUSH CREEK OBVIOUSLY BISECTS THE EDGE OF THE PROJECT SITE. IT WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS, TWO SWIFT INSPECTIONS PER WEEK. IT IS NOT A REGULATED WATERWAY BASED ON ITS CLASSIFICATION, TRAFFIC NOISE, LIGHT POLLUTION, LIGHTING WILL COMPLY WITH THE TOWN'S STRINGENT LIGHTING STANDARDS. IT WILL BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT. IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, THIS PROJECT DOES NOT COME CLOSE TO CROSSING THE THRESHOLD OF 100 VEHICULAR TRIPS DURING AN HOUR TO WARRANT THE PREPARATION OF A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, AND RECENTLY, THE D O T DID PROVIDE A COMMENT AS PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, CONFIRMING THEY HAVE NO CONCERNS WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE POSITIONING OF THE BUILDINGS, BY PUTTING THOSE TO THE NORTH ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT WILL ALSO ACT AS A BUFFER RATHER THAN HAVING PARKING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS. AND THAT, COMBINED WITH THE LANDSCAPING, REFLECTS A DELIBERATE PLANNING CHOICE. NEXT SLIDE. EMERGENCY INGRESS EGRESS. THIS WAS DISCUSSED EXTENSIVELY EARLIER. BASICALLY, WE ARE SHOWING A LAYOUT THAT NOW DOES COMPLY WITH THE FIRE CODE. THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL HYDRANT OR ONE HYDRANT ON SITE I BELIEVE. ANTHONY, TWO HYDRANTS ON SITE AND MODIFICATIONS WERE MADE TO THE BUILDING LAYOUTS. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. BASED ON THE ORIGINAL REVIEW, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THESE BUILDINGS WILL NEED TO BE SPRINKLERED AS OF NOW, BECAUSE THERE IS NO DEDICATED SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS. MR. SANTA DID EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF ACQUIRING AN EASEMENT FOR OFF SITE PROPERTY TO HAVE SECONDARY EMERGENCY ACCESS, BUT TO DATE, THOSE EFFORTS HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL. I HAVE PROVIDED A DRAFT OF THE DECLARATION OF EASEMENTS WITH RESPECT TO THE TWO PARCELS COMPRISING THE PROJECT SITE, BOTH ZERO AND 3401 LAKESHORE DRIVE. ONCE THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE PROJECT HAS ALSO BEEN APPROVED THAT WILL BE RECORDED AT THE ERIE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. WOODLAWN SEWER. I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND. AND THEN IN TERMS OF RIPARIAN BUFFER, CONSERVATION AREA, ETC. WE PREVIOUSLY DID UPDATE THE PLAN BASED ON THE INPUT RECEIVED. NEXT SLIDE. SO, ANTHONY, I'M GOING TO LET YOU ADDRESS THE LETTER THAT WE JUST VERY RECENTLY RECEIVED FROM WOODLAWN SEWER, HOW THIS LETTER RELATES TO ERIE COUNTY DIVISION OF SEWAGE MANAGEMENT. GO AHEAD. ANTHONY. GOOD EVENING. ANTHONY PANDOLFI WITH CARMINA WOOD DESIGN PROJECT ENGINEER. SO AS SEAN MENTIONED, WE DID RECEIVE THIS LETTER FROM WOODLAWN SEWER DISTRICT EARLIER TODAY. WE DID REVIEW IT AND WE I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY FOR JUST SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON SOME INFORMATION WITHIN THAT LETTER, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE QUESTION OF AN EASEMENT. IT STATED IN THE LETTER THAT A 30

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NOW, TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE AN ERIE COUNTY SEWER DISTRICT, THAT EASEMENT WOULD BE CENTERED ON THE SEWER LINE, NOT OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WE DO NEED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM THE COUNTY ON THAT AS TO WHERE THEY WILL BE REQUIRING THIS EASEMENT. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS HOW WIDE THE EASEMENT IS. ERIE COUNTY GUIDELINES GO BY. THE DEPTH OF THE SEWER DETERMINES THE WIDTH OF THE EASEMENT. ANYTHING 11FT AND SHALLOWER REQUIRES A 20 FOOT EASEMENT. ANYTHING DEEPER REQUIRES A 30 FOOT EASEMENT. THE WOODLAWN SEWER VARIES FROM SEVEN AND A HALF TO 10.5FT DEEP. SO IN OUR OPINION, AND BASED ON THE COUNTY'S GUIDELINES, THAT WOULD ONLY REQUIRE A 20 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO CLARIFY WITH THE COUNTY. BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE ARE OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, ADHERE TO WHATEVER DECISION WE COME TO. WE WILL WE'RE FINE WITH HAVING AN EASEMENT WITH REGARDS TO THAT SEWER. THE SECOND THING IS AN OUT OF DISTRICT SEWER AGREEMENT. WE'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT THAT BECAUSE THIS WOODLAWN SEWER EVENTUALLY TIES INTO THE COUNTY SEWER. SO IT IS CONSIDERED OUT OF DISTRICT. SO WE WILL MAKE THE NECESSARY APPLICATIONS AND SUBMITTALS TO THE COUNTY FOR THAT. THE ONE THING THAT WE ALSO DON'T AGREE WITH IS THE THE SUBJECT OF A DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS. THE COUNTY'S THRESHOLD FOR THAT IS 25 GALLONS PER DAY. OUR, I'M SORRY, 2500 GALLONS PER DAY. OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT BASED ON NEW YORK STATE DC GUIDELINES FOR DETERMINING ANTICIPATED SEWER FLOW IS 1200 GALLONS PER DAY. SO AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER POINT THAT WE WILL CLARIFY WITH THE COUNTY AND GET THAT CLEARED UP. IT'S LIKELY THEY HAVEN'T SEEN OUR SEWER CALCULATIONS, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE THEM TO THEM AND JUST GET CONFIRMATION THAT THE DOWNSTREAM SEWER CAPACITY ANALYSIS IS NOT REQUIRED. AND AGAIN, THIS IS USUALLY SOMETHING THAT COMES MUCH LATER IN THE PROCESS DURING ONCE WE HAVE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, ONCE WE HAVE A UTILITY PLAN, ONCE WE HAVE AN ENGINEER'S REPORT WITH ALL OF OUR UTILITY DEMAND CALCULATIONS. BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH THE COUNTY EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON TO KIND OF GET SOME OF THESE MATTERS CLEARED UP. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE EASEMENT AND THE OUT OF DISTRICT SEWER AGREEMENT. SO SO WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE AS AS WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY ON ON WHAT THEY SHOULD INCLUDE. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE ALSO DID RECEIVE A COPY OF THE MEMORANDUM THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD, AND WE'VE RESPONDED TO THEIR COMMENTS AS WELL, WHICH IS THE NEXT SLIDE. IMPACT ON LAND. WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, YES, WE WILL NEED AN EROSION CONTROL PLAN DURING CONSTRUCTION AND INSPECTIONS. I INDICATED TWICE PER WEEK IMPACTS ON SURFACE WATER. I'VE MENTIONED THE FACT THAT WE WILL NEED TO IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON SITE, INCLUDING THE NEED TO SATISFY NOT ONLY THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE STORMWATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS, INCLUDING 100 YEAR STORM EVENT IMPACT ON FLOODING.

BASED ON THE LAYOUT THAT WE'RE SHOWING, THERE ARE NO BUILDINGS LOCATED WITHIN THE REGULATED FLOODPLAIN ASSOCIATED WITH RUSH CREEK. IMPACT ON PLANTS AND ANIMALS. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND. BASED ON A RESPONSE THAT WE RECEIVED, THE LETTER WE RECEIVED FROM THE DC IMPACT FOR ESTHETIC RESOURCES. AGAIN, WE ARE SHOWING LANDSCAPING. WE RECENTLY RECEIVED A COMMENT ASKING SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPING BE UPDATED BASED ON PLANT SPECIES. AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, CONSISTENCY WITH COMMUNITY CHARACTER. WHILE OF COURSE, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE NEAR RESIDENTIAL USE. EXCUSE ME.

SEAN. YEAH. I NEED QUIET IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT IS THIS SITE IS PROPERLY ZONED. IT IS ZONED M3. ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES HIGHLIGHTS ALL THE EXTENSIVE AND INTENSIVE LAND USES THAT ARE EXPRESSLY PERMITTED IN THE M3 ZONING DISTRICT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING COMPARED TO SOME OF THOSE PERMITTED USES, THIS IS ACTUALLY LESS INTENSIVE. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MR. SANTA BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY BASED ON KNOWING WHAT THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION WAS AND WHAT IS EXPRESSLY PERMITTED IN THAT M3 ZONING CLASSIFICATION. NEXT SLIDE. WE ALSO DID RECEIVE A COMMENT LETTER FROM THE DC AS PART OF THE COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PURSUANT TO SEEKER POINTS ONE AND TWO. AS I INDICATED, THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THIS SITE. POINT THREE THE DC REFERENCED THAT RUSH CREEK HAS A STANDARD OF C AND THEREFORE IS NOT REGULATED, MEANING WE DO NOT NEED AN ARTICLE 15 PERMIT PURSUANT TO THE DC REGULATIONS. HOWEVER, WE

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IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE STATE AGENCIES THAT WERE MENTIONED, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE REQUIRED WAS FROM DOT, WHO WE ORIGINALLY SENT THE COORDINATOR REVIEW TO. THEY DID ASK FOR AN EXTENSION TO REVIEW THE MOST UPDATED SITE PLAN. WE DID RECEIVE AN OFFICIAL COMMENT BACK FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. IT WAS. IF THERE WAS ANY WORK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT A HIGHWAY WORK PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED. THAT WAS THE ONLY COMMENT, I DO THINK BASED OFF OF THAT COMMENT, THOUGH, AND I KNOW WE'LL ADDRESS IT AT SOME POINT THERE, I KNOW HAVE STILL BEEN SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS OFF OF ROUTE FIVE. OBVIOUSLY RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE COME AND MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN OFF OF ROUTE FIVE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN VIDEO EVIDENCE OF DIFFERENT WAYS OF GETTING TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH I THINK WE'LL ADDRESS LATER. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT OBVIOUSLY WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT I'LL JUST REITERATE AS ALWAYS THAT MY DEPARTMENT MYSELF RECEIVES LETTERS, EMAILS, ALL TYPES OF CORRESPONDENCE FROM NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS, APPLICANTS, PEOPLE AGAINST OR FOR THE PROJECT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S UNDERSTANDING THAT NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO COME UP TO THE MIC AND SPEAK. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T SEND A LETTER OR AN EMAIL OR ANY KIND OF CORRESPONDENCE. IT DOES GET SENT TO ME. I REVIEW IT, IT GETS FORWARDED TO THE BOARD EVERY SINGLE EMAIL, WHETHER IT'S 15 PAGES OR TWO PAGES, IT GETS SENT TO THE BOARD AND THEY DO REVIEW IT. SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THAT STILL IS AVAILABLE. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS FOR THE PROJECT AGAINST THE PROJECT, YOU CAN GO TO MY EMAIL, WHICH IS ON THE TOWN WEBSITE, AND I WILL FORWARD THAT CORRESPONDENCE OVER TO THE BOARD ACCORDINGLY. JOSH, SPEAKING OF CORRESPONDENCE WE RECEIVED, ARE WE UP TO 100 EMAILS YET? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. CLOSE, CLOSE. WE RECEIVED ONE EMAIL THOUGH, WHICH HAD PICTURES AS A RESULT OF LAST NIGHT'S STORM. CORRECT.

AND WE ASKED BECAUSE THIS THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. WE ASKED THE RESIDENT TO IDENTIFY THOSE PICTURES AND WE WERE GOING TO HAVE YOU BE THE SPOKESPERSON OF THOSE PICTURES.

CORRECT. SO WHAT I WILL DO IS. JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE RECEIVED, I'M GONNA WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I'M GONNA ADD THIS. SO LAST NIGHT, AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE WAS A MAJOR STORM EVENT AND THE WOODLAWN WAS NOT THE ONLY PLACE THAT FLOODED. THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN BY A NEIGHBOR. DID SHE INDICATE WHAT TIME? IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THE TIME SPECIFICALLY.

I DON'T BELIEVE, BUT IT SPECIFIES THE LOCATIONS. CORRECT. SPECIFIES THE LOCATIONS. AS A RESULT OF THE STORM, THIS APPLICANT TOOK THE PICTURES. AND DO YOU WANT TO SHARE THEM WITH THE APPLICANT OR THE ATTORNEY? OR HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS? DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE THEM TO THE BOARD FIRST AND THEN, WELL, WE GOT THEM. SO YOU GOT THE EMAILS. YEAH, SURE.

I CAN SHARE THE PICTURES. SO WE'VE NOT SEEN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS. YEAH, WE GOT THEM TODAY. WE JUST GOT THEM. NO, I UNDERSTAND OKAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO SHOW IT TO THEM AND WE CAN IDENTIFY THOSE. SO ON THE BACK OF EACH PICTURE, THE NEIGHBOR WHO TOOK THE PICTURES IDENTIFIED BASED OFF OF WHERE THEY WERE TAKEN, WHAT ROADS THEY'RE NEAR, A LOT OF THEM ARE OBVIOUSLY PHOTOS OF RUSH CREEK. A LOT OF THEM ARE OBVIOUSLY BY KOTA ROAD. THEY ALSO SPECIFY THE DATE. SO I BELIEVE TUESDAY THE 31ST OR SOME OF THE PICTURES, SOME ARE FROM THE FIRST AND ALL OF THOSE EMAILS AND PICTURES. SO SHE WASN'T ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, WASN'T THE

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SO IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY THEM AND GET IT TO JOSH, IT WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATIVE. SO I WOULD NOTE FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING THESE MANY OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE ACTUALLY NOT ON THE PROJECT SITE, AND WE DON'T KNOW THE PRECISE LOCATION. AND THEN SECOND OF ALL, THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT DO PERTAIN TO THE PROJECT SITE, OBVIOUSLY, THE WATER THAT WAS RECEIVED YESTERDAY WAS MORE THAN TYPICAL. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TODAY THERE IS NO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON THIS SITE. ONCE THERE IS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON SITE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL RUNOFF FROM THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ON OUR SITE. HOWEVER, NO ONE COULD COME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AND TAKE THE POSITION THAT THAT'S GOING TO DRAMATICALLY IMPROVE OFF SITE CONDITIONS. SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, AGAIN, THERE ARE TECHNICAL STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET. WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE MEET THOSE TECHNICAL STANDARDS, BOTH TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE TOWN'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE DC. OH, AND BRANDON WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT AS WELL. I DO HAVE A VIDEO FROM THIS MORNING, 7 A.M. THIS MORNING AFTER THE STORM. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT, I WOULD. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR OWN VIDEO FROM THIS MORNING OF RUSH CREEK, OKAY. OFF OF ROUTE FIVE, WHICH WE WILL, WE WILL, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO. SO WE DO HAVE THAT. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I'LL ADD IS OBVIOUSLY WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENT FROM THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. IT'S ONE OF OUR ADVISORY BOARDS I HAVE BEEN IN TALK WITH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MATT IS HERE. I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO MATT FROM THE HEAD OF TRAFFIC SAFETY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HIM AND HIS TEAM HAVE SPECIFIED IS THAT OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE COMMENTING ON ROUTE FIVE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THAT IS A STATE ROAD. BUT I HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH HIM ABOUT HAVING SOME SORT OF EITHER MITIGATIONS TALKS ABOUT HOLLY AND NELSON, OBVIOUSLY, AND I THINK THAT WILL ALSO PLAY INTO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A VIDEO THAT WILL BE SHOWN SHORTLY. OKAY, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WE GOT A LETTER OR, OR THE OUR TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT GOT A LETTER SAYING THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT CORRECT ON ROUTE FIVE.

OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO OFFER AT THIS POINT? I'LL INTERJECT AS NEED BE. OKAY. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. RICH, I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT WHEN YOU WERE OUT TO THE SITE. CAN YOU SHARE THAT WITH ALL WITH THE BOARD? JUST THAT IN THE COURSE OF TAKING A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, THE PETITIONER DID MENTION TO ME THAT ONE ONE OF THE BACK PROPERTIES THERE DOES. HE HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THE OWNER. SO THE BACK, THE ALL THE WAY IN THE CORNER. CLOSER TO MILE STRIP OR CLOSER TO YEAH, MILE STRIP. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF WHAT KIND OF AGREEMENT THAT IS OR WHAT. WELL IF, IF, IF HE WANTS TO EXPAND ON THAT. YEAH. WE HAVE A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER, SOME OF HIS SHEDS FENCE, ETC. WAS ON THE PROPERTY WHEN I PURCHASED IT. WE GAVE HIM A LEASE AGREEMENT SO HE DIDN'T HAVE TO MOVE HIS FENCE SHED, ETCETERA, SO HE COULD STAY ON ON THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. BUT THAT DOES NOT TOUCH THE PARCEL THAT THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSED ON. THAT'S THE 30 FOOT WIDE STRIP OF LAND WHERE THE FENCE IS GOING. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE OFFSITE PART FOR OFF SITE. YES, WE FINALLY NAMED IT PROPERLY. BOARD MEMBERS. ANYTHING ELSE? MEMBER SHIMURA.

SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE PART ONE. AND SO LET'S SEE THE WHERE WE HAVE THE LAND USE AND COVER TYPE MATRIX. SO THERE IS YOU HAD INDICATED THAT THE CURRENT ACREAGE FOR MEADOWS, GRASSLAND AND BUSHLANDS IS POINT THREE, WHEREAS THEN YOU ENDED UP PUTTING THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY INTO NON VEGETATIVE, MEANING BARE ROCK EARTH OR FILL AT SIX AND A HALF

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THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE UNTIL THIS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THERE IS AN APPLICATION FOR SERVICE INTO THE UTILITY COMPANY, THEY WILL NOT LOOK AT IT. BUT MY GUESS WOULD BE IT WOULD COME OFF ROUTE FIVE. THEY CAN'T PULL IT FROM THE UTILITY POLES TO THE NORTH BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CROSS THOSE PROPERTIES. THEY CAN ONLY REALLY PULL IT FROM ROUTE FIVE. SO BUT THEN IF YOU'RE PULLING IT FROM ROUTE FIVE AND THIS IS CONSIDERED TO BE A SEPARATE PROPERTY, HOW ARE YOU THEN. IS THAT GOING TO THEN GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED EASEMENT IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE UPDATED SITE PLAN HAS THAT ACCESS AND UTILITY EASEMENT. SO ALL UTILITIES AND ACCESS WILL BE THROUGH THAT. I BELIEVE IT'S 30 30 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT THROUGH MR. SANTOS CURRENT PROPERTY UP FRONT. AND THAT DRAFT EASEMENT THAT I PREPARED DOES INCLUDE ALL UTILITIES. AND THEN SO WHAT ABOUT GAS. SAME THING AS WELL.

YEAH. AND SO YOU'VE CONFIRMED THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAP OFF OF ROUTE FIVE. WHERE ARE YOU OBTAINING YOUR SERVICES. YES. EVERYTHING WILL COME OFF ROUTE FIVE. THOSE ARE PUBLIC SERVICES. WE CAN ONCE WE WANT GAS AND ELECTRIC REALLY THE SAME WAY ONCE WE PUT IN, ONCE WE GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THE CONTRACTOR OR MISS SANTA HAS TO PUT IN AN APPLICATION FOR SERVICE. AT THAT POINT, THEY'LL TELL US WHERE THEY'LL COME IN, TELL US WHERE TO TAP FROM, TELL US WHERE THEY WANT THEIR LINES GOING, AND TO SERVICE THE SITE. SO THEN, DOES IT WORK WHERE YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL SERVICES FOR EACH OF THE BUILDINGS, OR IS IT ONE SERVICE THAT'S COMING IN FOR ELECTRICAL AND GAS? YEAH, MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT THE UTILITY COMPANY IS GOING TO WANT ONE. THIS IS CONSIDERED ONE PROPERTY. AND THEN SO THERE'LL BE A MASTER METER.

THAT'S CORRECT. PROBABLY THE FRONT BUILDING. AND THEN IT'LL SPLIT OFF OF THAT TO FEED THE OTHER BUILDINGS. THAT'S CORRECT. AND NOW AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S REALLY UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT POINT IF HE WANTS TO SUBMETER THE OTHER BUILDINGS. BUT REALLY THE UTILITY COMPANY CARES ABOUT THAT MASTER METER, THE MAIN FEED FROM THE LINE, AND THEN THE REST IS KIND OF UP TO HIM TO CHARGE UTILITIES OR WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO. SO THEN WITH THE LIKE, THE IMPACT ON ENERGY, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, OUR ANALYSIS AND STUFF. SO WHAT IS DO YOU GUYS HAVE AN ESTIMATED SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BE HEATED AND COOLED BECAUSE ON YOUR PART ONE, IT WAS TBD. I ASSUME JUST COLD STORAGE. ALL THE STORAGE WILL BE HEATED. THERE WILL BE NO COOLING, NO COOLING, JUST HEATING FOR THE WINTER MONTHS AND JUST LIGHTS, AIR COMPRESSORS, MAYBE IN SOME OF THE SHOPS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'LL BE PRETTY MUCH IT. OKAY, SO YOU WON'T HAVE WE WON'T BE TRIGGERING SIGNIFICANT ENERGY IMPACT WITH WITH ANY SORT OF COOLING. OKAY. THE I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS SEWER COMING IN AND EASEMENTS BEING NEEDED TO BE PLACED AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I WOULD ASK THAT ONCE YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT EASEMENT THAT IT GETS PLACED ON, IT WILL THE SITE PLAN AND THAT ALSO YOU END UP KEEPING INTO CONSIDERATION THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED WITH RESPECT TO THE ALIGNMENT AND THE DISTANCES WITH THE BUILDINGS TO, TO THAT EASEMENT, AND ALSO OUR COMMENTS ON LANDSCAPING AS WELL TO. AND THEN REMEMBER, SUMMER, JUST TO CONFIRM FOR THE APPLICANT, IT SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF YOUR REQUESTS WAS FOR THEM TO AMEND THE EAF, SPECIFICALLY SUBSECTION E B, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT LAND USES AND TAKE AND CHANGING AND AMENDING IT FOR RIGHT NOW IT SAYS SIX AND A HALF ACRES ARE NON-VEGETATED. AND HAVING THAT REFLECT THAT, IT'S ACTUALLY MEADOWS, GRASSLANDS AND BRUSHLANDS INSTEAD OF BARE ROCK. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON AND MY COMPUTER JUST DIED. BUT WHERE THE WATER SERVICE IS ASKED IF THERE'S A WATER LINE EXTENSION REQUIRED AND IT'S STATED NO. AND SO THIS IS A QUESTION WITH

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CAN WE GO BACK TO THE EAF QUESTION BECAUSE I MEAN, A LOT OF THIS SITE IS CLEARED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE CHANGING THAT RESPONSE TO SAY EVERYTHING'S METAL. BRUSHLAND WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT. WE WERE OUT THERE AND WALKED IT AND THERE'S DEFINITELY NOT ALL ROCK. IT'S IT WAS GRASS AND TREES AT SOME POINT AND IT DEFINITELY IS GRASS NOW.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROCK. I MEAN, I MEAN, THE LAND USE DOES SAY BARE ROCK EARTH OR FILL NON-VEGETATED. SO ALL RIGHT, LET'S. I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT SIX AND A HALF GOES TO ZERO, BUT I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THERE IS MORE THAN A THIRD OF AN ACRE. THAT'S VEGETATIVE. OKAY, OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. WE'LL DO THAT. ANYTHING ELSE? MEMBERS, BOARD MEMBERS. MEMBER. STEWART. YEAH, I JUST SAID. MEMBER. STEWART. I JUST HAD A QUESTION WHEN I WALKED, WE DID A WALK OUT AND I JUST HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE TREES. IF THEY EVER WERE TO COME DOWN THE CREEK DUE TO EROSION. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SWEAT INSPECTION EVERY TWO WEEKS. THAT'S FOR THE BANK EROSION. BUT LET'S SAY A TREE COMES DOWN AND NOW YOU'RE BLOCKING THE POTENTIAL WATER FLOW. WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING THOSE TREES? WELL, I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU WOULD YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT TREE THERE BECAUSE OF THE PROTECTION THAT YOU WOULD WANT FOR YOUR BUILDING. NO. GENERALLY SPEAKING, A TREE FROM SOMEONE'S PROPERTY THAT FALLS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER. THERE CAN BE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT THOUGH. OKAY. AND OF COURSE, WE WANT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO WORK JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE MAKING A GIANT INVESTMENT HERE. ANYONE ELSE? YES. REMEMBER MEMBER RYAN.

SHE'LL GET MY NAME RIGHT ONE DAY. ONE DAY. WHEN WE DID DO THE WALK OF THE PROPERTY, I DID NOTICE THERE WERE STILL TREES STANDING ON THE PROPERTY. ARE THEY GOING TO STAY OR ARE YOU REMOVING THOSE TREES? I THINK IT WAS BETWEEN 7 AND 10 IF I WAS IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THEY WERE KIND OF. YEAH. GO AHEAD. THE TREES THAT ARE OUT IN THE FIELD WILL HAVE TO GO, BUT ALL THE TREES ALONG THE CREEK BANK WILL STAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, NO, I WAS TRYING TO. JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT WAS MEMBER RYAN, MYSELF AND MEMBER STEWART THAT WE WENT OUT THERE. AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE PICTURE OF THE TREE THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE TO THE CREEK LINE. SO THAT ONE'S STAYING. ALL THE TREES ALONG THE CREEK LINE WILL BE STAYING OKAY ON THE BANK. IF THEY'RE IN THE AREA WHERE THE, THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING OR ANY BLACKTOP, OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO, OKAY, GREAT. SO NO OTHER BOARD MEMBER AT THIS POINT. SO IT'S MY TURN. SURE. I GOT THREE PAGES. WHAT? I ACTUALLY I GOT FOUR PAGES. FIRST, I WANT TO COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT AND TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS CASE HAS HAD ITS CHALLENGES, INACCURATE INFORMATION, MISINFORMATION, VERBAL ATTACKS TO THE PLANNING BOARD DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING SAYING THAT WE DON'T LIVE IN WOODLAWN NOR. IN FACT, THERE'S ACTUALLY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT DO. AND WE HAVE MEMBERS WHO HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS IN WOODLAWN. SO THERE WAS AN INACCURATE AND UNFAIR STATEMENT. AND LET ME TELL YOU, OUR FAMILY DIDN'T APPRECIATE IT MAKING STATEMENTS SAYING THAT WOODLAWN IS THE ARMPIT OF HAMBURG IS UNFAIR. ALSO, IT INSULTS ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT DON'T FEEL THAT WAY THERE. THESE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS. LIVING IN HAMBURG. WE ALL LIVE IN THE SAME TOWN. WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING. WE'RE NOT ENEMIES WITH EACH OTHER. THIS BOARD HAS A JOB TO DO. AND QUITE HONESTLY, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT US TO DO OUR JOB AND MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT, AND WE EXPLAINED EVERYTHING AND WE EXPLAINED EVERYTHING AND WE EXPLAINED EVERYTHING AND NOBODY LISTENED. WE'VE GOT THE

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WE DON'T WE'RE NOT THE NEIGHBORS BACK THERE. AND WE CAN'T MAKE ACCUSATIONS SAYING THAT BECAUSE THIS CREEK FLOODS OR BECAUSE THIS PROJECT PROJECTS GOING TO BE THERE, THAT RUSH CREEK IS GOING TO FLOOD OUT ALL OF WOODLAWN. BUT THIS IS THE CREEK THIS MORNING.

AND IT WAS PRETTY HIGH. WAS THE STORM PRETTY DANGEROUS YESTERDAY? YES. BUT AS I SAID EARLIER, GUESS WHAT? THIS ISN'T THE ONLY THING THAT FLOODED LAST NIGHT. SO I TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE MISINFORMATION AND THE ACCUSATIONS THAT TAKE ON. TAKE CARE. WHO DO YOU THINK WAS OUT THERE THIS MORNING TAKING THAT PICTURE? THE COMMITMENT TO THIS TO THIS CASE AND TO THESE TO ALL THE RESIDENTS, NOT JUST SOME, BUT EVERYONE. AND THAT INCLUDES WOODLAWN. THE OTHER THING THAT WE RECEIVED. ARE YOU READY? WE RECEIVED A VIDEO OF ONE OF THE UNDERDOG TRUCKS TURNING LEFT ON YOUR. NOT ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT ON A SIDE STREET, DRIVING OVER THE SIDEWALK, WHICH I THINK IS ILLEGAL. AND MY QUESTION IS, AM I TOO FAST? YEAH. MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO USE HIS PROPERTY TO ACCESS YOURS? AND IF YOU DO, DO YOU HAVE IT IN WRITING AND CAN YOU PRESENT IT TO THIS BOARD? DO YOU WANT TO OR DO YOU WANT ME TO? YEAH. OKAY. YES, WE DO HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. WE DO NOT HAVE IT IN WRITING THAT ACCESS. THERE IS A PUBLIC ACCESS RIGHT OF WAY. THE PROPERTY LINE SITS ONLY TEN FOOT OFF THEIR BUILDING. SO THAT IS A PUBLIC ACCESS WAY TO MY BUTT. THE SIDEWALK ISN'T. THAT'S VERY TRUE. DRIVING ON THE SIDEWALK IS ILLEGAL, ISN'T IT, IN HAMBURG? OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT RULE IN WOODLAWN THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF? NOPE. SO WATCH THIS TAPE. I'VE SEEN IT. I UNDERSTAND, I'VE TALKED TO THE DRIVER. AND YOU. SO HERE'S MY POINT. I'VE HEARD AND I'VE KEPT PRETTY QUIET. AND I TRY TO MAINTAIN SWITZERLAND. BUT THE POINT OF IT IS, MR. SANTOS, YOU HAVE A REPUTATION, AND THAT'S WHAT'S FIRING UP THESE RESIDENTS. AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THIS BOARD TO SIT BACK AND SAY, NO, WE GOT TO IGNORE THIS. NO, WE GOT TO IGNORE THIS. NO, WE GOT TO IGNORE THIS. AND THEN SOMEBODY SENDS ME THAT TAPE. HOW DO I EXPLAIN THAT? THAT'S JUST VAGRANT. THAT'S JUST DISREGARD DISRESPECTFUL. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU WANT US TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. HOW DO I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO STICK TO THE RULES? HOW DO I KNOW IF I PUT MY NECK ON THE LINE AND SAY, OH, YEAH, IT'S ZONED FOR IT AND WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S ZONED FOR IT AND

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YOU STOOD HERE AND SAID, OH, NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT PROPERTY, DOESN'T FLOOD. AND LAST NIGHT WE GOT INUNDATED WITH PICTURES LEFT AND RIGHT OF EVERYTHING FLOODING. NOW, GRANTED, I'M A REASONABLE INDIVIDUAL, AND I THINK YOU KNOW THAT FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT YOU STOOD IN FRONT OF ME AND I HAVE NOT LOST MY CALL. BUT TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT. WHY? BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF EVERYBODY ATTACKING EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THIS BOARD, NOT JUST YOU. YOU HAVEN'T ATTACKED US, BUT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS. WE CAN'T DO OUR JOB. WE CAN'T DO OUR JOB WITH MISINFORMATION AND MISTRUST. I WANT TO SEE A SMALLER PLAN. AND IF YOU ASK EVERY BOARD MEMBER ON THIS BOARD, GO RIGHT AHEAD AND SEE IF THEY DON'T CONCUR. YOU'VE GOT TOO MUCH WATER ISSUES. YOU WENT AND YOU GOT ALL THE TREES DOWN, WHICH I'M NOT. I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. BUT IF YOU WOULD HAVE LEFT SOME OF THE GREEN SPACE UP, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE STANDING WATER ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO HOW DO I HOW DO I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUR NAME ON THIS CASE AND SAY, OH YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN ALLOW THIS PROJECT. AND THEN I GET A VIDEO LIKE THAT ABOUT THE TRUCK. PLAY IT AGAIN. JOSH THAT TRUCK. BECAUSE THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.

AND I WANT THE WRITTEN NOTIFICATION FROM THE OWNER SAYING, AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO YOUR PROPERTY WITHOUT DRIVING ON THE SIDEWALK. I'M NOT PLAYING AROUND ANYMORE. I'M NOT TAKING ANY MORE HITS. I'M NOT GETTING ANY MORE HATE MAIL. I'M NOT GETTING ANY MORE THREATS. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. IF YOU WANT TO PUT A PROJECT BACK THERE AND YOU'RE A BUSINESSMAN, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. AND YOU CAN TELL HOW PASSIONATE I AM ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I HAVE OVER 100 EMAIL. I HAVE ALL WEEKEND BEEN READING AND REREADING AND THINKING AND TALKING INDIVIDUALLY AND BEEN OUT TO YOUR PROJECT AND LOOKED AT OTHER AREAS IN HAMBURG. I AM WELL AWARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT IN THE. I TOLD ONE MEMBER, I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? MOTHER NATURE IS ON OUR SIDE. SHE SHOWED US WHAT THIS PROPERTY REALLY CAN DO. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT THE FOUR OF YOU TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT BOARD MEETING AND COME BACK WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER PLAN. I WANT THE LETTER FROM THE OWNER THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AWAY, AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE PLAN IS TO COME IN AND HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE GOING TO COME IN. NOTHING THAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED WITH US. IT WAS NEVER TOLD TO THIS BOARD. WHEN WE ASKED ABOUT COMING IN AND WE GOT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE WERE TOLD IT WAS COMING IN THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT THIS BOARD WAS TOLD, AND WE HAVE IT ON TAPE. NOBODY SAID THAT. OH, THE LEFT HAND TURN CAN BE MADE THROUGH THE SIDE STREET, AND I HAVE THE ACCESS FROM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR THAT WAS NEVER DISCLOSED TO THIS PROPERTY, TO THIS BOARD. MISINFORMATION. SO I'M GOING TO ASK ONE LAST TIME, CAN WE GET ACCURATE INFORMATION? CAN WE GET THE RIGHT LANDSCAPING? I DON'T WANT TO HEAR. I ACTUALLY I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE ERIE COUNTY IS GOING TO SAY, BECAUSE IF THEY SAY 15FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT CHANGES IT IN ITSELF. WE KNOW THAT. EXACTLY. SO WE SHOULD BE PLAYING ANY MORE GAMES. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO EFFORT TO PLAY GAMES ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECTS. WELL, DID YOU LOOK AT THAT VIDEO? NO, THAT WASN'T ME. IT'S A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT IS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S SIDEWALK. DRIVING ON THE SIDEWALK IS NOT A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WHAT IF THERE WAS A KID COMING THROUGH THERE? BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. WE'RE NOT HERE TO ARGUE THAT POINT. I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH YOU. YOU KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

ALL I'M SAYING IS BRANDON RECEIVED A COPY OF THAT VIDEO AS WELL TODAY, AND WE WILL ADDRESS IT. OKAY. I DO WANT TO NOTE, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT CRITICIZING ANY OF THE RESIDENTS IN ATTENDANCE AS WELL. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THAT'S NOT FROM US. SO NO, I SAID THAT OVERWHELMED WITH INFORMATION AS WELL. WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO ADDRESS IT. WE ARE. BUT IN TERMS OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, IN ORDER FOR THIS TO REMAIN TO BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, I MEAN, WE NEED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE'RE SHOWING.

THAT'S NOT THIS BOARD'S PROBLEM, BUT IT COMPLIES WITH CODE. I GUESS THAT'S THAT'S OUR PERSPECTIVE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK YOU CAN ADD OTHER ASPECTS. WE'RE CERTAINLY MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU. AND THIS IS HERE. BUT SEAN, HEAR ME OUT ON THIS. SURE. IF

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CAN YOU PUT UP THE THE SITE, PLEASE? I APOLOGIZE IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO GET ALONG WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. OKAY. WHY WOULD YOU PUT A TEN FOOT WIDE? LANDSCAPING WHEN YOU KNOW FULL WELL FROM THIS READING OF THESE PLANS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LAST AN EIGHT FOOT TREE IS NOT GOING TO LAST IN THAT BACK BUILDING. AND I'VE GOT THE PROOF RIGHT HERE SITTING THAT HE HE SPENT SIX HOURS REVIEWING IT AND ANALYZING IT AND GOT BACK TO ME ON SUNDAY. YEAH, I GUESS ON THAT POINT I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO ANTHONY AND HIS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. BUT THERE'S I THINK WE CAN WORK THROUGH THOSE DETAILS. OKAY. OBVIOUSLY, KEEP IN MIND, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON LANDSCAPING AND THEN NOT HAVE IT WORK. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS ONLY TO GET ATTACKED WITH MISINFORMATION. THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION AS WELL. NO, AND IT USUALLY ISN'T WHEN I'M WORKING WITH YOU AND WITH THIS BOARD. BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH NOW.

ENOUGH. ENOUGH WITH THE MISINFORMATION. ENOUGH WITH THE EMAILS, WITH MISINFORMATION. I WANT THE, THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS TO WRITE US IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN AN ADDITION TO WHAT WE WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. SO WHEN IT WAS RAINING LAST NIGHT, NOBODY NEEDED TO CALL ME AND TELL ME IT WAS RAINING. WE KNEW WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE AND THAT WAS TAKEN. THOSE. AND THE RESIDENTS DID IT ON THEIR OWN. I MEAN, NOTHING WAS PROMPTED BY THE BOARD, RIGHT? SO BUT WHEN I GET WHEN I GET STRESSED OUT PEOPLE MAKING STATEMENTS IN THESE LETTERS, I TAKE EVERY LETTER TO HEART AND MAYBE I SHOULDN'T, BUT I'M NOT MADE OF STONE AND I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT I DO. SO ENOUGH. AND WE GOT TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND MAKE IT AND MAKE IT WORK FOR THE NEIGHBORS, AND MAKE IT WORK FOR THE APPLICANT AND MAKE IT WORK FOR THE TOWN OF HAMBURG. FAIR ENOUGH. HAVING SAID THAT, WE SHOULD POSTPONE THIS CASE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING SO THEY CAN COME BACK WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THE LETTER FROM THE OWNER. AND THEN DO YOU THINK YOU'LL HAVE AN ANSWER FROM THE COUNTY BY THAT POINT? WE SHOULD. I LIKE WE DIDN'T GET THE LETTER UNTIL TODAY. I EMAILED THEM THIS AFTERNOON. WE WILL USUALLY PRETTY RESPONSIVE, SO I WOULD HOPE BY TOMORROW WE COULD GET AN ANSWER FROM THEM AND GET THAT ALL SORTED OUT. OKAY. AND IF IT AFFECTS THE PLAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL WE'LL CHANGE THE PLAN IF IT AFFECTS IF IF YOU GET WITH JOSH IMMEDIATELY, ONCE YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S GOT TO GO THROUGH JOSH BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HE'S BORED. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO. EXACTLY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. JUST TO JUST TO RECAP, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO, ON THEIR OWN TERMS, FOLLOW UP WITH DC ON THE BUGLEWEED. AND THAT 2003, LAST TIME IT WAS ADDRESSED. AND LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL OF THAT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR COUNTY DSM AND FOLLOW UP ON THAT, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO AMEND THE EAF PART ONE, ACCORDING TO MEMBER SHIMURA, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RELOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING BASED OFF OF MEMBER'S AJAX COMMENTS AND ALSO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE BOARD. AND THEN I THINK REMEMBER OR SHARE THAT. I ALSO HEARD I CAN BE JUST A MEMBER ASKING, ASKING THEM TO JUST CONTINUE TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY ALTERNATIVE LAYOUTS OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE PLAN.

MAYBE THERE'S DIFFERENT LAYOUTS OUT THERE. I MEAN, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT MAYBE LOOK AT IT.

SO IT'S NOT SO INVASIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS. I'M JUST SAYING. SO MAYBE, AND THIS IS THE POINT.

I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, AND I'M TRYING TO SAY THIS AS GENTLY AS POSSIBLE. BUT IF YOU HEARD THE THINGS THAT I HEARD AND THE THINGS THAT I WERE, I WAS TOLD, I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD THING I DIDN'T BRING IT IN HERE FOR EVERY MEETING. YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER, WE WOULD HAVE NEVER GOT THROUGH A MEETING. SO. BUT THE THING OF IT IS, IS THAT WE'RE NEIGHBORS. CORRECT. WE'RE WE'RE HERE TO WORK TOGETHER. THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED THIS WAY, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE AN ATTITUDE AND A FIGHT EVERY TIME AND MISINFORMATION AND MISGUIDING AND MISS THIS AND MISS THAT.

AND A TRUCK DRIVING OVER A SIDEWALK. THAT MAY BE THE STREET TO DRIVE DOWN. BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU TO PLAY IT AGAIN. BECAUSE IF YOU GO DOWN THE STREET AND YOU'RE TURNING INTO THAT PROPERTY, IS THERE A DRIVEWAY THERE OFF OF THAT SIDE STREET? YES. SO WHY DIDN'T HE USE IT? I'M NOT SURE. BUT THAT THAT THAT IS A NEW YORK STATE RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S NOT HIS PROPERTY. IT IS A NEW YORK STATE PUBLIC ACCESS RIGHT AWAY. IT'S NOT THE GUY THAT OWNS THE BUILDINGS THERE THAT HE DOESN'T OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY AT ALL. IT'S NOT ON HIS. WELL, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS TO THE LEFT OF THE BUILDING WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

CORRECT? NO, IT GOES TO THE RIGHT. TO THE RIGHT. SO WHAT ABOUT IN FRONT OF HIS BUILDING? THE ONLY ABOUT 8 TO 10FT. AND YEAH, THERE'S A VERY WIDE RIGHT. BUT THAT TRUCK WENT THROUGH THAT TRUCK WENT THROUGH THAT. THAT'S A NEW YORK STATE OWNED PIECE OF PROPERTY, MEANING THE

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CAN YOU GO DOWN PAGE UP? IT IS STRANGE, BUT THAT IS RIGHT AWAY FROM THE MIDDLE OF THAT RED CAR.

THE MIDDLE OF THAT RED CAR IS HIS PROPERTY LINE. SO FROM THERE TO THE SIDEWALK IS NEW YORK STATE, RIGHT OF WAY. SO BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THIS WASN'T DISCLOSED WHEN WE'VE ASKED TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ACCESS THIS, THIS PROPERTY? NO ONE IS INDICATED ANY OF THAT. CAN YOU KEEP GOING? NO. KEEP THEM. SO THEN HOW SO? THEN IT IS SHOWN ON THE SURVEY I ACTUALLY LOOKED. I DIDN'T KNOW TILL TODAY EITHER. RIGHT.

SO WHO DID YOU GET PERMISSION FROM? NEED PERMISSION. THAT'S MY POINT. RIGHT. WELL, EXCEPT FOR THE GUY THAT OWNS THAT PIECE OF BUILDING. BUT IT'S LIKE A IT'S LIKE A PAPER STREET.

JUST PULL UP THE GIS. JUST LIKE WHEN YOU ACCESS YOUR DRIVEWAY, THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY BEFORE YOUR PROPERTY. OKAY. HE'S NOT TRESPASSING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. WHO WOULD KNOW UNLESS YOU ASKED THE QUESTION? SURE. FAIR ENOUGH. SO AGAIN, MISINFORMATION. THAT'S MY POINT I'M ASKING FOR. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS MEANT TO BE MISINFORMATION. WELL, I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT YOU GUYS PRESENTED MISINFORMATION. I'M SAYING IT'S MISINFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S THE OPTICS. RIGHT? RIGHT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, HOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A D A THAT WAS A NEW YORK STATE RIGHT AWAY? YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. YOU WOULD KNOW THIS IS THE RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE IT ANGLES BACK. SO ALL OF THIS IS PART OF THE LAKESHORE ROAD, RIGHT OF WAY WHERE THAT TRUCK WAS DRIVING.

OKAY, SO WHERE'S THE SIDEWALK? SIDEWALK IS RIGHT ALONG. NO, THAT'S NOT THE SIDEWALK YOU DROVE OVER. THAT'S THE SIDEWALK YOU DROVE OVER. YES, THERE'S THE OVERPASS RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S A CURB CUT RIGHT HERE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU PROBABLY WENT IN OR FROM RIGHT HERE. I THOUGHT HE CAME IN OFF THE STREET. YEAH, HE CAME OFF OF IT WAS OFF THE STREET RIGHT. THEN WENT SOUTH. YEAH. SO YOU. SO HE CAME IN OFF OF NELSON OR WHAT'S THE SIDE STREET? HOLLY. HOLLY.

I'M SORRY. JOSH SO HE CAME OFF OF HOLLY AND THEN CAME THIS WAY. YEAH. OKAY. BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. SANTA, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT LIKE WRITTEN, YOU HAVE A VERBAL AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND OUT OF HIS PROPERTY, HIS DUMPSTERS ON MY PROPERTY. I CUT THROUGH HIS, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY THERE. HE THERE'S NO PROBLEMS. OKAY, GREAT. AND I BELIEVE THIS BOARD JUST ASKED FOR SOME SORT OF JUST WHETHER IT'S WRITTEN OR ANYTHING, IF HE CAN JUST AGREE TO STATE THAT OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OF THAT SORT JUST SO THAT IT'S ON RECORD, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD IS ASKING FOR FOR THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION. OKAY. THAT'D BE FINE. OKAY. SO RECOGNIZING THAT THIS MEMBER, RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS NOT AN ILLEGAL PATHWAY, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND ACCESSING YOUR PROPERTY, DO YOU INTEND TO HAVE THIS BE A PRIMARY ACCESS POINT IN THE FUTURE FOR YOUR ADDITIONAL TRUCKING, FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT, FOR THE PROJECT? THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED YET, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I MEAN, WE CAN WE'LL ASSESS THIS. YEAH. LET US RESPOND TO THAT. WE'LL COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH WITH, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE TIME TO THINK AND TALK ABOUT THIS, I WOULD ALSO HAVE A FULL I WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT BECAUSE ESPECIALLY COMING OFF OF HOLLY, TO HAVE THE APPLICANT GET IN CONTACT WITH MATT AND HIS TRAFFIC SAFETY TEAM, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MATT HAS TALKED ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE, WHETHER IT'S SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE OR SOMETHING OF THE SORT, SPECIFICALLY ON HOLLY. SO BEFORE YOU FINALIZE THAT, I'D RECOMMEND GETTING IN TOUCH WITH MATT JUST SO THAT THE TWO OF YOU ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. SO HE'S AWARE AND YOU'RE AWARE. AND I CAN, I CAN FORMULATE, I CAN BE THE CONDUIT AS USUAL FOR THAT, RIGHT? BUT COMMUNICATE, RESPOND TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THAT'S THE LONG TERM PLAN FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT. AND THEN I WOULD JUST REITERATE, CHAIR GRONINGEN'S POINT ABOUT THE TRUST OF IF YOU SAY THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PRIMARY ACCESS POINT, WHAT ARE THE STIPULATIONS TO ENSURE THAT IT WON'T BE AND ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S GONNA IF THEY END UP CUTTING THROUGH THERE, YOU'RE INCREASING TRUCK TRAFFIC IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO THERE'S A COMPOUNDING ISSUE WITH USING THAT SPACE. OKAY. YEAH, WE'LL. JOSH, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE NEXT MEETING DATE? APRIL 15TH. APRIL 15TH WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING DATE, TAX DAY, APRIL FOOL'S DAY AND TAX DAY. THERE YOU GO. IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL MONTH SO FAR. SO DO YOU THINK YOU'LL HAVE EVERYTHING READY BY THE 15TH? I THINK WHEN WOULD YOU NEED IT? BY THE FRIDAY. THE FRIDAY BEFORE FRIDAY BEFORE THE FRIDAY BEFORE AT THREE. ASSUMING THE COUNTY GETS BACK TO US, WHICH THEY DO. THEY'RE USUALLY PRETTY GOOD. SO YEAH. OKAY. IF THEY DON'T, WILL YOU LET US KNOW? SO THEN WE CAN WE WON'T PUT YOU ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN THEN. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. EVENING. THANK YOU. OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS,

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THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT YOU HAVE. HEY, BRIDGETTE 1119 AND 318. YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP RIGHT NOW, BUT. 1119 AND 318 MEMBER SHIMURA'S GOT SOMETHING TO ADD TO YOU. SO SO IF YOU COULD EXCHANGE EMAILS, MAYBE OR SHE CAN DO YOU WANT HER TO EMAIL IT TO YOU THE EASIEST. YEAH. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO LET ME GO BACK. THANK YOU. IT WORKS BETTER IF I, I TRIED THAT.

YOU GOT IT. I MEAN, MY COMPUTER'S GONNA DIE. NO MINUTES HANG AROUND. OKAY. SO

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IT'S IT WILL BE QUICK. OKAY. YEAH. NO. OKAY. SINCE WE'RE DONE WITH THE MEETING, IS THERE ONE LAST MOTION FOR THE EVENING? I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I SECOND THE MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED. AND SECOND, TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

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