[00:00:07] TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. REMEMBER, DO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. YES. CINDY CANNON IS ABSENT. CAITLIN SHIMURA PRESENT. RICHARD SAJAK HERE. WILLIAM CLARK HERE. BRIAN STEWART HERE. KIM. FINLEY. BRYANT HERE. MILTON KWAN HERE. JOSEPH GOGUEN. ATTORNEYS PRESENT. PRESENT. OKAY. LET'S TALK. REALLY? OKAY. SO NOW WE WILL BEGIN OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND IN AN EFFORT OF EFFICIENCY, I'M GOING TO READ OUR STANDARD NOTE WITH RESPECT TO A PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR TO. AND THEN I WILL ASK MEMBER TRACEY TO READ THE NOTICE AND WE'LL GET ON WITH IT. A PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE INFORMATION ON HOW THEY ARE IMPACTED BY THE PROJECT. A THREE MINUTE RULE WILL APPLY. IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. ALL STATEMENTS MADE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, AS WELL AS WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THE PROJECTS, WILL BE SENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT. SO WITH OUR FIRST CASE PUBLIC [1. Public Hearing – 7:00 P.M., Ten Lives Club Inc. – Requesting a use variance for the expansion of rescue services to be located at 3747 Lakeshore Road] HEARING FOR TEN LIVES CLUB IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? PRIOR TO US STARTING? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? NO, UNLESS THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. OKAY. MEMBER TRACY, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE? YES. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSAL FOR CHANGE OF USE AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE EXPANSION OF RESCUE SERVICES TO BE LOCATED AT 3747 LAKESHORE ROAD. SB L NUMBER 159.00-2-7. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 3RD, 2026 AT 7 P.M. IN ROOM SEVEN A AND SEVEN B OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TOWN HALL. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD WISH TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON. TEN LIVES CLUB INC. SECOND REQUEST. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE TEN LIVES CLUB INC? AND THIRD AND FINAL REQUEST? ANYBODY PRESENT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE TEN LIVES CLUB INC PROJECT PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK JOSH, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT, AS THIS BOARD KNOWS, TEN LIVES CLUB WAS GRANTED A USE VARIANCE FOR 3747 LAKESHORE ROAD. THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED M THREE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. THE FORMER GENTLEMAN'S CLUB IS GOING TO BE TURNED INTO A RESCUE FELINE FACILITY. ONE QUESTION THAT I DO HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT THAT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT, BUT JUST FOR THE BOARD'S EDIFICATION, IS CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO THE USES THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE USE VARIANCE JUST SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, ON THE FIRST FLOOR, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, JUST THE USES THAT TEN LIVES CLUB WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IN THE BUILDING. SURE. AND I'LL LET THE, THE, MY CLIENTS ADD TO THIS IF I'M INCORRECT IN ANY WAY, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S A SIMILAR SERVICES AS PROVIDED ALREADY SOME VETERINARY SERVICES, SENIOR CAT HOUSING. THE DOWNSTAIRS WOULD BE USED FOR A RETAIL OR A CAT CAFE FACILITY. THEY MISS ANYTHING? NO. AND THEN JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, OBVIOUSLY WHENEVER SOMETHING GETS A USE VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD, THEY TYPICALLY COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR CHANGE OF USE AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL. TYPICALLY WHAT WE USE IS AN EXISTING SURVEY, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S ALREADY A BUILDING FOOTPRINT. WE TAKE THAT SURVEY. AND WHAT WE TYPICALLY ASK FOR APPLICANTS TO DO IS AT LEAST JUST SHOW THE PARKING LAYOUT, JUST SO THAT THE BOARD IS AWARE OF HOW MANY PARKING SPACES AND HOW MUCH PARKING IS ON PROPOSED PROJECT. I DID HAVE THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A SKETCH OF THE SURVEY WITH A PARKING SUPERIMPOSED OVER IT, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY ALL IN YOUR SHAREPOINT, BUT IT IS ALSO ON THE SCREEN AS WELL. JUST TO CONFIRM FOR THE APPLICANT. RIGHT NOW ARE NO. ANY PLANS OF ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING, REMOVING IT, JUST KIND OF KEEPING THE EXISTING PARKING. THE SAME IS THE PLAN FOR NOW, [00:05:04] JUST KEEPING THE HUNDRED PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE THERE. OKAY. THEY DO HAVE SOME PLANS TO IMPROVE THE LIGHTING SO THAT THE LIGHTS WORK AT NIGHT. AND IF THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE, THEY WOULD REPAVE THE PARKING LOT. OKAY. AND THEN OTHER THAN THAT, SO OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE THE THE PARKING LAYOUT SHOWN. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY HELPFUL FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND, AND ENGINEERING FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. NO OTHER QUESTIONS. WE OBVIOUSLY JUST CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE BOARD AND ENGINEERING TO SPEAK. BUT AFTER YOU GUYS ARE DONE WITH YOUR COMMENTS, I WILL ASK IF THIS BOARD FEELS COMFORTABLE MOVING TOWARDS AUTHORIZING ME TO DO APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS FOR A FOLLOWING MEETING. CAMI, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? ENGINEERING. JUST ONE QUESTION ON THE PARKING. ANY OF THESE SPACES MARKED HANDICAPPED, THERE WILL BE. THE FRONT ONES WILL BE THERE. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THAT WHOLE AREA. AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THE PARKING LOT HAS BEEN PAINTED. BUT ONCE THAT'S DONE, THE ONES IN FRONT OF THE DOOR GOING IN WILL BE MARKED HANDICAPPED. OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE FINAL SITE PLAN BEFORE, BEFORE I SIGN OFF ON IT AND THE CHAIR PERSON SIGNS OFF ON IT WOULD BE WHAT SPACES FOR THOSE SPACES TO BE MARKED ON THE PLAN. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD BE IT. OKAY. IS THERE DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY SPACES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? YEAH, I THINK FOR HANDICAP, WHAT I WOULD DO IS I WILL GET IN CONTACT WITH JEFF, WHO'S OUR HEAD CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. HE DOES A FORMULA FOR IT AND HE HE KNOWS THE CODE FOR IT. HE HAS A PERCENTAGE. AND THAT'S ALSO, I THINK, BASED ON OCCUPANT LOAD AS WELL. SO HE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT. AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE IT TO YOU SO YOU CAN MARK UP THE PLAN. OKAY. WILL THAT REQUIRE COMING BACK FOR AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING OPENING OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO SEE THAT? NO, NOT WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE IF THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH APPROVING JOSH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DRAFTING APPROVAL, REVOLUTION RESOLUTIONS, RESOLUTIONS, AND THAT IT WOULD BE A CONDITION OF YOUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL WITH RESPECT TO PLANNING BOARD, REVIEWING AND APPROVING THE PARKING LAYOUT ACCORDING TO CODE AND ADA NUMBERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, JOSH WILL PROVIDE YOU THE APPROVAL TO DRAFT APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS FOR OUR 17TH MEETING ON THE 17TH. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY, YOU'RE ALL SET. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING ON. YEP. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING WAS [2. Public Hearing – 7:00 P.M., 716 Storage, LLC – Requesting Re-Approval for an as built site plan for a 71,400 sq-ft self-storage facility on vacant land located at the southwest corner of South Park Avenue and Southwestern Blvd ] FOR 716 STORAGE LLC. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? HELLO? YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. AND ALSO IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD PRIOR TO US STARTING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANTHONY PANDOLFI, PROJECT ENGINEER WITH CARMINA WOOD DESIGN. REALLY NOTHING TO ADD. I THINK THIS WAS IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TWO WEEKS AGO. BASICALLY THE PROJECT'S BEEN BUILT OUT, BUT WE DID LEAVE OFF TWO SMALLER STORAGE BUILDINGS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THAT ABUTS THE EXISTING CAR WASH. THOSE WILL NOT BE BUILT AT THIS TIME. AND THE APPLICANT IS AWARE THAT SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO BUILD THEM IN THE FUTURE, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S IT. JOSH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NOPE. AFTER YOU OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, A QUESTION THAT I WILL HAVE FOR THE BOARD IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR A PROJECT OVER ON CAMP ROAD. WE DID HAVE A SPECIFIC CONDITION IN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT SAID TO MR. PANDOLFI POINT THAT SHOULD THE APPLICANT LOOK TO BUILD ANY OF THE BUILDINGS OR PUT ANY OF THE, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY DIDN'T FROM, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK TO THIS BOARD JUST SO THAT IT'S CODIFIED IN THE SITE PLAN CONDITIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MEMBER, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE? NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSAL FOR REAPPROVAL OF A AS BUILT SITE PLAN FOR 71,400FT■!S SELF-STORAGE FACILIY ON VACANT LAND LOCATED AT SOUTHWESTERN COURT AT THE CORNER OF SOUTHWESTERN AND SOUTH PARK AVENUE. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 3RD, 2026 AT 7 P.M. IN ROOM SEVEN A AND SEVEN B OF THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL. OKAY. GOING ONCE. IS THERE ANYBODY PRESENT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE 716 STORAGE LLC PROJECT GOING TWICE? IS THERE ANYBODY PRESENT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE 716 STORAGE LLC [00:10:05] PROJECT? THIRD AND FINAL TIME? IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE 716 STORAGE LLC PROJECT? HEARING NONE. WE CAN THEREFORE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO THIS PROJECT DOES. FROM THE LAST TIME I WAS AUTHORIZED TO DRAFT AN APPROVAL RESOLUTION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION, I'LL PULL THAT UP AND THEN IF THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT DRAFT CONDITIONS. AND THEN EVERYONE ALSO SHOULD HAVE A HARD COPY IN FRONT OF THEM AS WELL. SO JUST TO ORIENT OURSELVES FOR THE KIND OF FORMAT OF THE RESOLUTION, THE FIRST PART, BACK IN 2023, THERE WAS SEEKER DONE ON THIS PROJECT. AND WITH THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY REDUCING THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS AFTER, YOU KNOW, OUR REVIEW, I FELT THAT IF THIS BOARD IS STILL COMFORTABLE THAT THAT SEEKER DECISION WOULD STILL REMAIN VALID FOR THIS PROJECT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL, CAMI, WAS THERE AN ENGINE? OH, SHE JUST LEFT. SO I DON'T WHEN SHE COMES BACK, I'LL ASK HER IF THERE WAS A ENGINEERING COMMENT LETTER DATED FOR IT. MR. PANDOLFI. SO I THINK WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT THEN. IF THERE'S NO LETTER, NO LETTER OR NO COMMENTS. NO COMMENTS. SO THERE WAS A THERE IS A LETTER. IS THERE A LETTER ON IT, AN ENGINEERING LETTER WAS WRITTEN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD DELETE THAT. I CAN HEAR YOU GUYS. THERE IS AN ENGINEERING LETTER DATED 529, BUT IN IT YOU WILL SEE. I JUST MENTIONED A FEW THINGS FOR THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER. THERE ARE NO ACTUAL ENGINEERING COMMENTS. AND THEN NUMBER TWO IS MR. PANDOLF. YOU CAN CONFIRM ALONG BAYVIEW THERE WERE SIDEWALKS INSTALLED ALONG. 706 OKAY. THERE WERE SIDEWALKS INSTALLED. I BELIEVE THEY ARE. THE ONE THING THEY JUST HAVE TO DO IS INSTALL THE DETECTABLE WARNING MATS AT THE, AT THE ENDS WHERE THE, WHERE IT MEETS THE ROAD. OKAY. YEAH. OTHER THAN THAT, THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN OKAY. AND THEN ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT THIS BOARD WOULD WANT TO PLACE? THE CONDITION. OH, THE CONDITION TO CODIFYING THAT THIS IS THE. HOW DID YOU WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN? I'M SORRY. I THINK I SAID SHOULD SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF SHOULD THE APPLICANT WANT TO BUILD WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPEAR BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES IN THE OR OR IF IT WAS EVEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT. MAYBE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. JUST ANYTHING, I GUESS. ANYTHING. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. SO. REVISIONS, ANY CHANGES TO SITE PLAN THAT'S DATED, WHATEVER WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT. WILL REQUIRE A FULL SITE PLAN APPROVAL DATED. BUT THEN BILL, TO YOUR POINT, BILL, THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS. BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES. I MEAN, NOT TO BE SUPER PICKY, BUT SHOULDN'T ALL THE FUTURE CHANGES BE DONE UNDER THE RULES? WHAT IF THERE'S A SMALL CHANGE? OH, RIGHT. OH. I MEAN, OR DO YOU WANT TO CODIFY. SO RIGHT NOW UNDER SITE WELL IN SITE PLAN REVIEW WE'LL HAVE THAT CLAUSE WHERE IF CHANGES ARE DEEMED SIGNIFICANT BY CODE ENGINEERING AND PLANNING THAT THEY'LL RETURN TO THE PLANNING BOARD. OKAY. THAT MAKES IT EASIER. LET'S SEE. IS THAT THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER RIGHT ABOVE THE C 100. 511. OKAY. ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN DATED 51126 DEEMED SIGNIFICANT. DEEMED TO BE SIGNIFICANT BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. PLANNING AND [00:15:21] ENGINEERING. DEPARTMENT WILL BE SUBJECT TO COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD OR SHALL COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD. YEAH, WILL BE SUBJECT TO APPEAR A LITTLE BIT LESS WORDS, BUT. APPROPRIATE FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. YES. YES. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY. MOTION IS MADE BY MEMBER RYAN. I MAKE A MOTION THAT 716 STORAGE AS BUILT SITE PLAN SEEKER AND APPROVED RESOLUTION SIX THREE 2026 SEEKER. WHEREAS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECEIVED A NEW SITE PLAN APPLICATION REQUESTING AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL AT APPROVAL OF AN AS BUILT STORAGE FACILITY PROJECT LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF SOUTH PARK AVE AND BAYVIEW ROAD. SPL NUMBER 171.05-1-15, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2023. AND WHEREAS THE TOWN. WHEREAS THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS REQUIRED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 3RD, 2026. AND WHEREAS, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, SEQUA DID A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PROJECT AND ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS IN 2023 AND ISSUED A SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION. AND WHEREAS, THE HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVED PLAN AND THE SEQRA DECISION, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE STATE OF THE STATE AND OR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS, IS STILL VALID NOW. THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY DETERMINES THAT SECRET NEGATIVE NEGATIVE DECLARATION ISSUED PREVIOUS IS STILL VALID. DO WE KEEP GOING? OKAY, WE GOT TO STOP THE SEEKER AND THEN. I'M SORRY. IS THERE A SECOND ON SEEKER? SECOND? SECOND BY MEMBER STEWART? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. OKAY. NOW MOVING ON TO SITE PLAN. OKAY. SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD HEREBY GRANTS CONDITIONAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE AS BUILT STORAGE PROJECT LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH PARK AVE, BAYVIEW ROAD. SBL NUMBER 171.05-1-15 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND WAIVERS. ONE APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT LETTER DATED 529 2026. TWO THE TOWN OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 280-306 OF THE TOWN CODE, WAIVES THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS AS THEY ALREADY EXIST ON SOUTH PARK AVE AND WERE INSTALLED ALONG BAYVIEW ROAD FROM THE PREVIOUS PROJECT. APPROVAL THREE ANY CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN DATED 511 2026, DEEMED TO BE SIGNIFICANT BY CODE ENFORCEMENT, PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL BE SUBJECT TO APPEAR BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL ITEM WAS MOVED BY MEMBER RYAN. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY MEMBER TRACY? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I MOTION HAS BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU. [3. Public Hearing – 7:00 P.M., Golf Carts Unlimited – Requesting Site Plan Approval of a proposal to construct a 4,700 sq-ft 1-story building with a 1,350 sq-ft covered patio to be located at 2330 Lakeview Road ] OKEY DOKE. MOVING DOWN THE LINE TO OUR THIRD PUBLIC HEARING FOR GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED. IS THE APPLICANT HERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SAW YOU THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE TO THE BOARD? I WAS ASKED TO PUT THE LANDSCAPING ON THE ON THE SITE PLAN. WHAT YOU SEE ALONG SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD AND ALL ALONG THE THE BUILDING THAT'S ON LAKEVIEW AVENUE AS WELL. OKAY, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES AS FAR AS ANYTHING THAT [00:20:02] WAS REQUESTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. JOSH, ANYTHING TO ADD? JUST TO CONFIRM FOR THE BOARD, MR. PARSON DOES HAVE AN ACTIVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PAINT BOOTH AND FOR THE WORK THAT HE DOES OVER THERE. SO I KNOW THAT WAS A QUESTION PREVIOUSLY. HE DOES AN ACTIVE AND APPROVED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE PLANNING BOARD'S PURVIEW FOR THIS PROJECT IS THE REBUILD OF HIS SITE PLAN OR FOR HIS BUILDING. THE BOARD DID ASK FOR AN AMENDED LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH HE DID PROVIDE. AND THEN AFTER THE CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF THE BOARD DOES FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU CAN AUTHORIZE ME TO PRODUCE APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AT A FUTURE MEETING. OKEY DOKE. CAMMIE, ANYTHING? FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE? BASICALLY, SHOULD THEY GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL? WE WOULD REVIEW A GRADING PLAN FOR THE PARKING LOT AND THE SITE AND LOOK FOR WHERE HIS ROOF LEADERS CONNECT APPROPRIATELY TO A PUBLIC SYSTEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. MEMBER TRACY, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE? NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 4700 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY BUILDING WITH A 1350 SQUARE FOOT COVERED PATIO TO BE LOCATED AT 2330 LAKEVIEW ROAD. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 3RD, 2026 AT 7 P.M. IN ROOM SEVEN A AND SEVEN B OF THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED? SECOND CALL. IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PROJECT? GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED. THIRD AND FINAL CALL. ANYONE PRESENT TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON GOLF CARTS UNLIMITED. NO COMMENTS WERE PRESENTED. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. AND SO WITH THAT, JOSH, ARE THERE ANY. WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP? SO IF THIS BOARD FEELS COMFORTABLE, YOU CAN TABLE THIS PROJECT TO THE JUNE 17TH MEETING. AND IF YOU ALSO FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU CAN AUTHORIZE ME TO DRAFT APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS FOR THE PROJECT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY POTENTIAL CONDITIONS THAT ANYBODY HAS ON THE TOP OF THEIR MIND NOW, JUST TO HELP ME DRAFT IT, BUT I'LL TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST TWO MEETINGS AND COME UP WITH SOME, AS ALWAYS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT THEY WOULD WANT ADDED AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU PROVIDED COMMENT EARLIER, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? NO, NO NO NO, EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH DRAFTING RESOLUTIONS. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO JOSH, YOU ARE APPROVED TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS. MY ONLY QUESTION IS THAT DID WE CONFIRM THE NO OUTDOOR STORAGE REQUIREMENT ON THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN AND THEIR PROJECT FILE? MR. PARSONS, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, SO WE DO HAVE GOLF CARTS ON OUR LOT. ONCE WE HAVE OUR BUILDING UP, WE'LL BE ABLE TO STORE MORE INSIDE. OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE'RE SELLING CARTS DURING THE DAY, WE HAVE OUR CARTS OUTSIDE ON DISPLAY AND OUR PARKING LOT, WE HAVE VEHICLES THERE. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN WE WILL SEE YOU ON THE 17TH WITH YOUR IN ORDER TO HAVE OUR APPROVAL APPROVAL RESOLUTION. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. [4. Public Hearing – 7:00 P.M., Chris Van Leaven – Requesting Preliminary Plat Approval on a proposal for a 4-lot subdivision to be located at 4261 Lakeshore Road (SBL #: 159.17-1-16.1)] OKEYDOKE. IN OUR FOURTH PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE THE CHRIS VAN LEVIN PROJECT FOR LOT SUBDIVISION TO BE LOCATED AT 4261 LAKESHORE ROAD. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, PLEASE. COME ON UP. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SAW YOU WITH RESPECT TO YOUR PROJECT, PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, MA'AM. AND JOSH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THIS PROJECT ENTAILS. SO THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION. WHEN I SAY SUBDIVISION, I MEAN TAKING THIS OVERALL PARCEL AND BREAKING IT INTO FOUR BUILDABLE LOTS. THE ZONING OF THE PARCEL IS R-1 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT. WHAT THAT MEANS IS SHOULD THIS PROJECT BE APPROVED AND THOSE FOUR LOTS ARE ABLE TO BE BUILT, WHAT WOULD BE ABLE TO [00:25:01] BE BUILT ON ANY OF THE LOTS AT MOST WOULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO NO RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, NO APARTMENTS, NO STORAGE CAR WASH, EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. THE ZONING IS ONLY CONDUCIVE TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON ANY OF THE FOUR BUILDABLE LOTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR UP ANY MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED SHOULD THIS BOARD APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION. AS YOU GUYS KNOW, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING A SECRET DECISION AND THEN ULTIMATELY A PRELIMINARY PLAT DECISION. AND THEN WE'LL, YOU KNOW, HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. AND THEN IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, LIKE THE OTHER PROJECTS, YOU CAN AUTHORIZE ME TO DRAFT APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS. I ALSO DID WANT TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE THAT AT THE THE MEETING ON JUNE 17TH, YOU SHOULD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TOWN'S LW ARP COMMITTEE. JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHY THAT'S NEEDED, THIS PROJECT IS WITHIN THE TOWN'S WRA, WHICH STANDS FOR WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION AREA. BECAUSE OF THAT, ANY PROJECT THAT IS IN THAT AREA REQUIRES A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TOWN'S LW ARP COMMITTEE, BUT YOU, AS THE PLANNING BOARD, HAVE THE FINAL DECISION ON WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN'S LW ARP, ALSO KNOWN AS THE LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PLAN. SO THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE MEETING TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU BY THE MEETING ON THE 17TH SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER YOU BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAMI, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A FOUR LOT SPLIT WITH NO ROAD EXTENSION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S NO REAL ENGINEERING CONCERNS JUST FOR THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC'S UNDERSTANDING. SHOULD INDIVIDUAL LOTS THEN COME IN FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AT THAT TIME, THEY SUBMIT INDIVIDUAL DRAINAGE AND GRADING PLANS THAT ENGINEERING DOES REVIEW IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR BUILDING PERMIT AT THAT TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. MEMBER GERACI, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE? NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PLANNING BOARD WILL CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED BY CHRIS VAN LIEBEN TO BE LOCATED AT 4261 LAKESHORE ROAD, SB L NUMBER 159.17-1-16.1. THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD ON JUNE 3RD, 2026 AT 7 P.M. IN ROOM SEVEN A AND SEVEN B OF THE HAMBURG TOWN HALL. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CHRIS VAN LEVIN FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION PROJECT? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, YOU CAN COME DOWN THIS WAY OR NO. NO. YES. OKAY. YEP. YOU CAN SIT DOWN. THANK YOU. FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. IF WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE RECORD? SURE. MY NAME IS MARGIE. MY LAST NAME IS REGAN, RIGGAN. GO AHEAD. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. SO MY PROPERTY IS OUR PROPERTY. EXCUSE ME, IS ON BEACH AVENUE, WHICH BACKS DIRECTLY UP TO 4261 LAKESHORE ROAD. I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS MUCH MORE THAN A ROUTINE FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION. THIS IS AN EIGHT AND A HALF ACRE ESTATE PROPERTY WITH MATURE GROUNDS, OPEN SPACE AND HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER THAT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY RARE IN HAMBURG. MY CONCERN IS NOT SIMPLY THAT I LIVE NEARBY. MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS DECISION IS PERMANENT. ONCE THAT PARCEL OF LAND IS SPLIT, IT CANNOT BE RECREATED. WE CANNOT GO BACK AND THE DECISION ALSO AFFECTS MORE THAN ONE BACKYARD OR MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY. THE. THE. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE DECISION IS PERMANENT. ONCE THE ESTATE IS DIVIDED INTO THE FOUR SEPARATE PARCELS THE LANDSCAPE, THE OPEN SPACE AND THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY ARE CHANGED FOREVER. TREE PRESERVATION AND DRAINAGE ARE NOT SIDE ISSUES. I DID UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SPOKE TO THAT THE TOWN'S OWN SUBDIVISION PROCESS, HOWEVER, RECOGNIZES WOODED AREAS, MATURE TREES, DRAINAGE, WETLANDS AND STORMWATER IS PLANNING ISSUES AND I AM ASKING SIMPLY THAT THOSE BE FULLY REVIEWED BEFORE ANY PRELIMINARY APPROVAL IS GRANTED. THIS IS NOT ABOUT STOPPING RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ABOUT ASKING WHETHER THE PERMANENT BREAKUP OF AN EIGHT AND A HALF ESTATE PROPERTY IS THE RIGHT DECISION FOR HAMBURG, EVEN IF THE PROPOSED HOMES ARE ATTRACTIVE. EVEN IF THE LOTS MEET TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, THE ORIGINAL ESTATE LANDSCAPE CANNOT BE RECREATED ONCE IT'S DIVIDED. THIS SHOULD BE TREATED AS A [00:30:02] MAJOR PUBLIC INTEREST ISSUE AND NOT JUST A PAPERWORK ISSUE. I ALSO BELIEVE THE DECISION SETS AN IMPORTANT PRECEDENT. IF THIS ESTATE CAN BE DIVIDED WITHOUT SERIOUS REVIEW, THEN OTHER REMAINING LARGE HISTORIC STYLE PROPERTIES IN HAMBURG MAY BECOME VULNERABLE TO THE SAME TYPE OF PATTERN. WE HAVE ALREADY LOST SO MUCH GREEN SPACE BEFORE APPROVING THE PERMANENT BREAKUP OF ONE OF THE REMAINING ESTATE SCALE PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE BOARD TO SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN AND CONSIDER THE LONG TERM IMPACT. AND EXCUSE ME, BUT I GET A LITTLE EMOTIONAL BECAUSE IT'S MY HOME. IT'S IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE'S HOMES AND IT DOES MATTER. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE PLANNING BOARD TO DENY THE FOUR LOT PLAN AS PRESENTED. AT A MINIMUM, I ASK THAT THE BOARD TABLE THIS APPLICATION AND REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO RETURN WITH A LESS INTENSIVE PLAN THAT PRESERVES MORE OF THE ESTATE LANDSCAPE. AND I ALSO DO HAVE A FORMAL WRITTEN STATEMENT AND SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, IF I MIGHT SUBMIT THOSE. YES, PLEASE. YOU CAN HAND THOSE OVER TO JOSH AND THEY'LL BECOME PART OF THE RECORD AND THEN ALSO REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT AND OUR BOARD. AND THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CHRIS VAN LEVIN FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION? HELLO, MY NAME IS GREG MICHALSKI, MAKELKE. THANK YOU. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF BEACH AVENUE, AND I KNEW THE LADY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT USED TO LIVE THERE ORIGINALLY. AND SHE KEPT THAT PLACE IMMACULATE. EVERY TREE, EVERY FLOWER, EVERYTHING SHE TRIMMED AND DID THE ORIGINAL OWNERS THERE, YOU'D BE TAKING ALL OF IT OUT. AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN A STATE. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER HOUSE. WHEN YOU COME DOWN ROUTE FIVE, YOU NOTICE THAT AT THE HOUSE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING. AND. IT'S GOING TO CHANGE OUR LIFESTYLE TO OF THE NOISE IN OUR BACKYARD. WHEN I'M LOOKING OUT MY BACK WINDOW, I'M GOING TO SEE PEOPLE BACK THERE. THERE IS THERE IS A TUNNEL THERE BECAUSE THERE USED TO BE A BOATHOUSE THERE ORIGINALLY AND WE WERE KIDS. WE WOULD GO UP ON THE BOATHOUSE AND THERE'S A TUNNEL RIGHT THERE THAT WENT OVER THAT HOUSE. THAT WAS IN QUESTION LAST TIME THAT SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. AND. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A SINGLE RESIDENT, BUT IT'S NOT. IT HAS RENTAL PROPERTY ON IT. YOU KNOW, THAT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IN THE GARAGE APARTMENT. I'D LIKE TO HAVE LIKE A COMPLETE STUDY DONE OF THE IMPACT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, BE DONE TO IT. AND THE NUMBER ONE THING TOO, IS THE DRIVEWAY IS GOING OUT TO ROUTE FIVE. ANYBODY THAT LIVES ON BEACH AVENUE KNOWS YOU DON'T GO OUT ROUTE FIVE, YOU ALWAYS GO TO BACK AWAYS. IT'S SUICIDE TRYING TO TAKE A LEFT OUT OF THERE. AND DURING THE SUMMERTIME WE SEE MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS ALL THE TIME AROUND THAT TURN. BECAUSE WHEN THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, IT COMES UP OUR ROAD, ALL THE TRAFFIC. WE KNOW IT'S MORE THAN 2 OR 3 CARS GO BY. THOSE DRIVEWAYS ARE GOING TO MAKE A BIG THING DOWN THERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE ACCIDENTS THERE ALL THE TIME. YOU'RE JEOPARDIZING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT GO HOME AND GO TO EVERY DAY TO THE WORK, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ACCIDENTS THERE ALL THE TIME. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 4 TO 6 VEHICLES COMING OUT OF A DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND STUFF GOING TO PUT THEIR LIVES IN JEOPARDY. AND THE PEOPLE ON THE ROAD, THAT'S VERY BAD. THEY'RE. AND THE NOISE AND JUST THE TRAFFIC ALONE IS GOING TO BE BAD. AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE LIKE A COMMUNITY APPROVAL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO IMPACT US. YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AROUND THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A JUST A WRONG THING. AND I HAVE A LETTER FROM HER ORIGINALLY THAT SHE WROTE TO US YEARS AGO SAYING. SHE, LET'S SEE, SHE DID NOT FEEL THAT THE SUBDIVIDING THE PROPERTY WAS THE BEST OPTION SINCE IT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY. SHE WROTE THAT TO US. THERE'S A WHOLE LETTER ABOUT HER TRYING TO GET APPROVALS FROM THE PAST, AND SHE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE PROPERTY. SHE HERSELF SAID IT WOULD BE CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY. SO [00:35:05] THERE'S JUST A LOT OF LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON DOWN THERE. THAT'S IT FOR NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF YOU HAVE THOSE WRITTEN COMMENTS AND YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE THEM AS TO BE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD OF THE PROJECT. YEAH, I JUST LIKE NOTES RIGHT NOW OR THE LETTER. YOU CAN ALSO PROVIDE THEM TO. JOSH. THAT'S FINE. HE COULD A LETTER SHE GAVE US WHEN SHE TRIED TO. UNDERMINE IT IN HERE. OKAY. YOU'LL YOU'LL LET US KEEP THIS. I THINK I HAVE OKAY, I'LL MAKE A COPY AND GIVE IT BACK TO YOU. THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC COMMENT. HELLO. HI. MY NAME IS LARRY NEWMAN, NEWMAN. OKAY. I LIVE ON DURHAM ROAD. OKAY. AND I HAD THE HOUSE BUILT IN 1993, AND BARRY HOGAN WAS THE DEVELOPER IN THAT PROPERTY BACK THEN IN 93. AND BEHIND ME IS 1.7 ACRES. THAT'S BEEN LANDLOCKED THAT THE TOWN OWNS. IS ANY OF THIS NEW PROPERTY, IF IT WAS TO BE DEVELOPED, BE PART OF THAT 1.7 ACRES. THAT'S ON DURHAM ROAD BEHIND ALL THE NEW HOMES. THEY WERE BUILT HOME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE EARLIER WHEN WE WHEN I HAD READ THE RULES OF A PUBLIC HEARING. SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER, BUT YOUR QUESTIONS ARE BEING SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD, AND THAT OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THEM. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THAT IT? OKAY. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOHN CASTELLANOS. THAT'S COSTIANES, AND I'M HEARING IMPAIRED. AND MY HEARING AIDS WENT ON THE BLINK. SO IF I NEED TO GIVE YOU ANY MORE INFORMATION, JUST TELL ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE WE GOOD? YES. OKAY. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A VERY SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A HISTORIC NUMBER ONE. SOME OF THOSE HOUSES ON THE LAKE ARE HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE BEFORE THE TURN OF THE CENTURY. THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE KNOWN FOR THEIR PEACEFUL AND SERENE ATMOSPHERE. WE HEAR A LITTLE MORE THAN LAWNMOWERS AND BIRDSONG. LOOK AT THE DEER EATING MY HOSTA PLANTS. A TRUE LAKESIDE PARADISE THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG SHOULD WORK HARD TO PRESERVE. GENERATIONS OF CHILDREN HAVE GROWN UP HERE, FORMING JOYFUL MEMORIES LIKE WEDDINGS AND SUMMER CELEBRATIONS. IN THESE QUIET SURROUNDINGS. IT CREATED A DIFFERENT STATE OF MIND FOR ALL THE CHILDREN THERE. MANY OF THEM WHO WENT TO SAINT FRANCIS OR HAMBURG. THE FAMILIES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR HOME, AND I WANT THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES TO EXPERIENCE THE SAME PEACE AND BEAUTY THAT ME AND MY FAMILY DID. WITH OUR WINDOWS OPEN, WE ARE BLESSED WITH THE REFRESHING BREEZE OFF LAKE ERIE FREE FROM DUST, NOISE OR HEAVY EQUIPMENT. IT IS MY SINCERE HOPE THAT TODAY'S CHILDREN WILL NOT HAVE TO ENDURE THE CHAOS AND DISRUPTION AND DIRT. IN A. IN A DISRUPTION OF THAT CONSTRUCTION MOST ALWAYS CREATES. I BELIEVE THOSE HOMES ON THE LAKE ARE THE PRIDE OF HAMBURG. THEY'RE THE OLDEST HOMES AND PEOPLE BLESS YOU AND PEOPLE THAT DRIVE BY LOOK AT THOSE HOMES AND TAKE NOTICE. AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS TAKE PRIDE IN IT AS WELL. AND WITH THAT, I WON'T GO INTO THE THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT I KNOW ALL MY NEIGHBORS HAVE. BUT I WILL JUST SAY THAT FOUR DWELLINGS IN A RELATIVELY SMALL PLOT OF LAND PROBABLY MEANS EIGHT EXTRA CARS. AND THAT WORRIES ME AS WELL. BUT I WILL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE FOUR LOT [00:40:08] SUBDIVISION? MY NAME IS THERESA WATSON CASTELLANOS. THAT WAS MY HUSBAND WHO JUST SPOKE. WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE. REGARDING THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. THAT'S ABOUT THAT'S THE SUBDIVISION IS BEING PROPOSED FOR. I THINK THE HISTORY OF THAT IS WORTH NOTING. AND YOU CAN SEE BY THE GREAT CONCERN HERE, MY NEIGHBORS FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE AS WELL IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD. DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WERE THERE AT THE TIME. MY GUESS IS THE LAST TIME WAS JUST BEFORE COVID, MAYBE SEVEN YEARS AGO. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. TO NOTE. WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS PROPERTY FOR 23 YEARS. WE MOVED IN JUST ABOUT THIS TIME 23 YEARS AGO. GIVE ME A SECOND HERE. FOR MOST OF THOSE 23 YEARS, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN ON AND OFF THE MARKET. WHEN YOU JUST DO A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE EARLIEST LISTING WAS 2008 ALL THE WAY UP TO CURRENTLY, THERE'S A FOR SALE SIGN IN FRONT BY HUNT. REAL ESTATE LISTING AGENT IS BUCKY GLEASON. THROUGHOUT THAT PERIOD, ACCORDING TO ZILLOW, ALTHOUGH I DO THINK IT WAS LISTED A COUPLE OF TIMES. BESIDE THAT, SINCE 2008, IT WAS ON THE MARKET SEVEN DIFFERENT TIMES. IT WAS ALSO REMOVED FROM THE MARKET FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES. THE LOWEST LIST PRICE WAS 900 $999,000. IN 2013 AND 2016. FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S BEEN OVER A MILLION. RIGHT NOW, IT'S LISTED AT 1.5 MILLION. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. WHEN WE HAVE BEEN HERE PREVIOUSLY. THE LAST TIME, AS I SAY, WAS MAYBE SEVEN YEARS AGO. THE OWNER WAS PROPOSED, HAD RECEIVED AN OFFER OF FROM A PHYSICIAN TO SET UP BASICALLY A THERAPEUTIC KIND OF CAMP WHERE SHE WOULD HAVE HAD PATIENTS COMING IN USING THE POOL. THERE'S ALSO A STABLE WHERE SHE HOPED TO GIVE LIKE EQUESTRIAN LESSONS FOR THERAPY THAT WAS VOTED DOWN BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A ZONING CHANGE. AND AS I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S ZONED R-1. THE TIME BEFORE THAT, WE WERE HERE AGAIN FIGHTING A ZONING CHANGE. THAT PROPOSAL WAS EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL. MAYBE JUST DAYS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, WE RECEIVED A BINDER ABOUT THIS THICK, VERY PROFESSIONALLY DONE BY A PARTY PLANNING COMPANY WHO OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO HAVE WEDDINGS THERE, OR WHATEVER KIND OF OUTDOOR EVENTS USING BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE GROUNDS. OBVIOUSLY, THE GROUNDS BEING WHATEVER THEY ARE, 7 OR 8 ACRES. ONE WOULD THINK COULD HANDLE IT. HOWEVER, IN THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL, THE POTENTIAL BUYERS HAD ALREADY MET WITH THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT AND PROPOSED INGRESS AND EGRESS, WHICH WOULD HAVE INVOLVED EXTENDING A TURNING LANE FOR INGRESS OFF OF ROUTE FIVE AND ALSO EGRESS ON TO FIVE OR OUT A PRIVATE ROAD UNDER DURHAM. MISS WATSON, I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE, BUT WE DO HAVE A THREE MINUTE RULE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT I'M SORRY, I WAS NOT AWARE. OKAY. BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION. IF YOU DO A QUICK SEARCH. NOW, I LOOKED UP THE AVERAGE AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'D BE VARIABLES. THE AVERAGE RATE OF BUILDING LOT IN HAMBURG IS $340,000 TIMES FOUR. THAT BRINGS YOU TO A MILLION 360. SO WE'RE BACK UP TO HER MILLION DOLLAR ASKING POINT. BASICALLY, MY NEIGHBORS AND MY HUSBAND HAVE EXPRESSED OUR EXTREME CONCERN. I INVITE ANY OF YOU TO COME OVER TO OUR HOME. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO SEE HOW UNIQUE THESE PROPERTIES ARE. THEY ARE A TREASURE. ABSOLUTE TREASURE. WHEN YOU PULL OFF BUSY ROUTE FIVE OR BILLY OR BUSY CAMP ROAD, YOU ARE LITERALLY STEPPING INTO ANOTHER WORLD WITH THE MATURE TREES. WE HAVE SPENT A SMALL [00:45:02] FORTUNE TRYING TO PRESERVE THIS PROPERTY. IT IS IRREPLACEABLE. THE WOODWORK IS IRREPLACEABLE. THEY'RE ALL IRREPLACEABLE. AND AS THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID, THEY ARE THE ENTRY TO HAMBURG RIGHT NOW. SO MANY OF OUR BIGGEST STATES HAVE BEEN KNOCKED DOWN. AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE IRREPLACEABLE PROPERTIES. I'D ALSO ASK YOU TO ASK YOURSELVES WHEREVER YOU MIGHT LIVE. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS YOUR NEIGHBOR WAS PLANNING A DEVELOPMENT OF SOME KIND IN YOUR BACKYARD, YOU AND YOU'RE JUST CONSTANTLY WAITING FOR THE OTHER SHOE TO DROP. THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN FOR ALL OF US. OKAY, I'M DONE WITH THAT. I'D ALSO LIKE YOUR PERMISSION TO READ A LETTER FROM ANOTHER NEIGHBOR WHO COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT, WHO LIVES IN DURHAM. RIGHT. SO IF THAT LETTER THAT YOU HAVE IS A HARD COPY CAN BE PROVIDED TO JOSH, WHICH WOULD BE A PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD FOR THE PROJECT, BASICALLY IS REITERATING HIS CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND SO NOW I WOULD ASK, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CHRIS LEVIN FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION? OKAY. HELLO. I'M LEONA ROCKWOOD. I DO NOT LIVE NEAR THIS AREA. HOWEVER, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THIS. JUST ONE REALLY QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION, LEONA, ARE YOU PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT AS A CITIZEN OF HAMBURG OR ON BEHALF OF THE CAB? BECAUSE WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR COMMENT ON BEHALF OF THE CAB. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, ON THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE TOWN, AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THIS. THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HIRED A CONSULTING FIRM CALLED PRESERVATION STUDIOS TO LOOK ALONG THE LAKESHORE FROM THE BEGINNING, LIKE FROM WOODLAWN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 18 MILE CREEK. AND I NOTICED PARTICULAR BUILDINGS THAT WERE WORTHY OF PRESERVATION, IMPORTANT. AND THEY PROVIDED US WITH A. REPORT, A SURVEY. AND IT WAS AN EXPENSIVE SURVEY PAID FOR BY THE TOWN. AND AFTER. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING PRINTED. NOW I HAVE A COPY OF THE SURVEY ON MY COMPUTER AT HOME, AND I READ THROUGH SOME OF IT. BUT THERE ARE MANY HOMES, MANY BUILDINGS THAT ARE DESCRIBED WITH PICTURES. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS ONE OF THEM, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE SEE IF WE CAN. YOU COULD SEE THIS SURVEY DONE BY PRESERVATION STUDIOS, PAID FOR BY THE TOWN. I THINK IT WAS ABOUT $40,000 TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THIS BUILDING AND THIS ESTATE IS ON IT. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO SAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION ALONG ROUTE FIVE? THIS WILL BE MY SECOND CALL. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON THE CHRIS VAN LEVIN FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION AND THIRD AND FINAL CALL? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON THE FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION? CHRIS. BEN LEVIN PROJECT. OKAY. HEARING NONE, I WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, MR. VAN LEVIN. WOULD. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY LIKE TO RESPOND TO WITH RESPECT TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT YOU HEARD THIS EVENING? YES. I'M ON. I'M GOING TO STAND OVER HERE AND THAT'S FINE. YEP. OH, YOU NEED A MICROPHONE. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. YES. OH IS THIS ONE CORDLESS? YES. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ACTUALLY PRESERVING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. SO IF YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. THIS HAS THE GUEST HOUSE ON IT AND THE, THE THE BARN BACK THERE. SO THIS IS ONE PROPERTY. SO THIS IS THE HOUSE. THIS IS THE BARN. THIS IS THE HOUSE WITH THE GAZEBO. SO THIS PRESERVES ALL THIS PRESERVES ALL THE TREES EVERYTHING. THIS IS A BUILDING LOT. THIS IS A BUILDING LOT. SO REALLY THERE'S ONLY A POTENTIAL FOR TWO ADDITIONAL HOUSES ON THE ON HERE. THAT'S NOT. OH TELL HIM HE CAN'T. OH I'M SORRY. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC PUBLIC. USUALLY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT RESPOND IN WRITING. SO WE ARE [00:50:06] PRESERVING. SO MR. VAN LEVIN WILL ACTUALLY. MY APOLOGIES, BUT FOR THE BRIEF EXPLANATION I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN RECORDED AND WILL BE A PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD, YOU CAN THEN MEET WITH JOSH TO GO OVER THE DETAILS AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A WRITTEN RESPONSE. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. JOSH, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I WOULD MAKE A REQUEST FOR IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR MISS ROCKWOOD TO IF SHE'S ABLE TO PROVIDE MY DEPARTMENT WITH EVEN THE COPY OF THE HISTORIC OR THE THE SURVEY JUST SO THAT I CAN DO A THIRD PARTY JUST REVIEW JUST TO SEE IF THIS PROPERTY IS LISTED IN THERE. AND THEN IF SO, THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GO FROM THERE. OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD FEELS COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH APPROVAL, OR IF YOU WOULD WANT THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK TO ANOTHER MEETING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SAID COMMENTS. BY THAT POINT, I SHOULD HAVE HAD TIME TO SEE IF THAT PROPERTY IS WITHIN THAT SURVEY THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY PRESERVATION STUDIOS. SO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED NOW, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY I SPEAK TO THE ONE THING IF IF THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN DECLARED HISTORIC IN ANY WAY, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING IN RELATION TO THAT AS WELL. A LOT HAS CHANGED, YOU KNOW, IN AND ABOUT THE PROPERTY OVER THE YEARS. SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THE INTEGRITY OF THAT WOULD WOULD HAVE BEEN. I'M NOT THE FIRST OWNER, I'M THE THIRD OWNER. SO THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS WITH THIS PROPERTY. TREES HAVE COME DOWN, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, MATERIALS, ALL OF THAT. AS FAR AS THE ORIGINAL INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURES, OTHER THAN THE BARN, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WOULD SPEAK TO ITS ORIGINAL HISTORY IN THAT WAY. OTHER THAN THAT, THE PROPERTY IS ICONIC TO HAMBURG AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO HOW DOES ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, JOSH. WILL, CAN WE ASK DOTTIE ABOUT THE CURB CUTS FOR THE TWO PARCELS THAT WOULD NEED A CURB CUT ON ROUTE FIVE? IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOTTED, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOTTED, THEN THEY'RE LANDLOCKED. WE CAN IF THE BOARD FEELS COMFORTABLE, WE CAN. YOU CAN CERTAINLY HAVE ME REACH OUT. CAN WE? I DON'T KNOW FROM NOT TO THROW YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT FROM YOUR ENGINEERING SIDE, OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW THEY SUBMIT DRAINAGE GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLANS TO YOU FROM A SUBDIVISION STANDPOINT. DO YOU ALSO LOOK FOR CONCURRENCE FROM DOTTIE BEFORE YOU PUSH IT ALONG FOR THE SUBDIVISION? I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY A BUILDING LOT PER SE ON YOUR SIDE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ENGINEERING ALSO HAS ANY CONVERSATION WITH DOTTIE BECAUSE IT'S IT QUALIFIES AS A MINOR PER OUR TOWN CODE AS FOUR LOTS. TYPICALLY WE DO NOT. SO BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A MAJOR SUBDIVISION, MAJOR SUBDIVISION WOULD HAVE MORE CONVERSATION WITH DOTTIE. RIGHT. THERE TYPICALLY WOULD NOT BE A STAGE FOR THAT. SO I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT CONTACT, WE SHOULD DO IT NOW. YEAH. TYPICALLY FOR A LOT OF OUR MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, WE PUT THE ONUS ON THE APPLICANT WHO'S LOOKING TO SUBDIVIDE AND HOPEFULLY THEY'VE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. IF THEY'RE SPLITTING PROPERTY, THAT THEN HAS ACCESS TO A STATE ROAD. BUT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, IF THE BOARD WANTS ME TO REACH OUT, I CAN CERTAINLY DO SO. HOW DO THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS FEEL? IF THE DOTTIE WAS GONNA SAY NO DRIVEWAYS, THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? I AGREE, I WOULD SAY THAT WE SHOULD GET DOTTIE INVOLVED, BECAUSE IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY COULD PUT DRIVEWAYS ON THE ROUTE FIVE, THAT PRETTY MUCH DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THE SUBDIVISION. SO YOU STILL DO ONE LOT, BUT STILL. OKAY, SO THEN FOR OUR NEXT STEPS, YOU WOULD BE JOSH WOULD BE REACHING OUT TO DOTTIE FOR INITIAL COMMENTS THAT HOW YOU WOULD PHRASE IT. YEP. OKAY. AND THEN I ALSO REQUESTED FOR LEONA TO JUST, IF SHE'S ABLE TO SEND A COPY OF WHAT'S JUST BEEN DONE TO DATE, JUST SO I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT FROM, FROM MY OWN VIEWING. AND THEN WE ASKED FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE IN WRITING JUST SOME COMMENTS TO OR RESPONSES TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HEARD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT TO THE 17TH OR THE MEETING ON THE FIRST. I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE TO THE BOARD. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO HEAR FROM DOTTIE? RIGHT. THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION. THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION. I MEAN, SO RIGHT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THEM COMING BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 17TH. IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN HOLD THAT FOR NOW? AND THEN IN THE EVENT WE DON'T HEAR FROM DOTTIE, THEN TABLE TWO, THE FIRST OR THE SO THE AGENDA GOES OUT TOMORROW. I CAN [00:55:06] LEAVE THEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 17TH. AND IF WE HEAR BACK THEN AT LEAST THEY HAVE A SPOT. AND IF WE DON'T, THEN WE CAN TABLE THEM FURTHER. OR IF YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, WE CAN JUST TABLE THEM RIGHT TO THE FIRST. DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS FEEL STRONGLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? NO, I DON'T. KNOW. NO. SO WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THEM ON THE 17TH, 17TH AND THEN IF NEED BE, GETS BACK. YEAH, HOPEFULLY I'VE TALKED TO DOT PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY. SO HOPEFULLY I CAN JUST ADD IT TO THE LIST OF THINGS I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT. BUT I WILL TRY TO GET A RESPONSE QUICKLY. OKAY. YEP. AND THEN ALSO PRIOR TO THE 17TH, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THE WRITTEN RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS CORRECT TO WHICH YOU CAN TALK WITH JOSH ABOUT HOW TO OBTAIN THE, THE COMMENTS TO RESPOND TO CORRECT. AND THAT THAT RESPONSE WOULD BE DUE THE FRIDAY PRIOR TO THE MEETING ON THE 17TH. SO THE 12TH. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, HOPEFULLY DOTTIE IS RESPONSIVE AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 17TH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKIE DOKE. MOVING ON TO OUR FINAL CASE PROJECT SEVEN BREW COFFEE, REQUESTING SITE [5. Seven (7) Brew Coffee – Requesting Site Plan Approval of a proposal to construct a 510 sq-ft building with two drive-thru lanes to be located on a 0.78-acre parcel at 3701 McKinley Parkway (SBL #: 160.07-2-28.2) ] PLAN APPROVAL FOR A PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A 510 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH TWO DRIVE THRU LANES TO BE LOCATED ON A 0.78 ACRE PARCEL AT 3701 MCKINLEY PARKWAY. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. SO IN TYPICAL TOWN FASHION, 3701 MCKINLEY PARKWAY IS LIKE THE ADDRESS FOR A LOT OF THE OUT PARCELS WITHIN THE MCKINLEY MALL. SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE USE 3701 FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT 3701 IS THE OFFICIAL ADDRESS THAT WE USE. OKAY. THANK YOU. BEFORE JUMPING IN, JOSH, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE WITH RESPECT TO THE BACKGROUND OF THE PROJECT? YEAH, I'M SURE ANTHONY WILL TOUCH ON IT, BUT IF YOU GUYS RECALL, THIS ACTUALLY APPEARED BEFORE YOU AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION OVER ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD FOR A WORK SESSION. AT THAT TIME, WE HAD SHARED SOME CONCERNS OR THE BOARD DID. AND I ALSO SHARED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT JUST THE LAYOUT ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. IT WAS A TIGHT KIND OF LAYOUT. WE DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC POTENTIALLY BACKING OUT ON THE SOUTHWESTERN AT THAT TIME. I DID GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF LIVING IN THE NORTH TOWNS. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SEVEN BREW OVER ON MAPLE ROAD, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE ON THAT, BECAUSE I LIVE UP IN AMHERST, THE FIRST, I WOULD SAY 4 OR 5 MONTHS OF SEVEN BREW. IT WAS DISASTROUS. I DRIVE BY MAPLE PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY AND IT HAS SLOWED SIGNIFICANTLY. THERE'S STILL IT'S STILL A POPULAR PLACE, BUT THE BACKING OUT ONTO NORTH BAILEY, WHICH IS THE CROSS STREET UP IN AMHERST, THAT NO LONGER IS THE CASE ANYMORE. I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THE SEVEN BREW HAD THE CASE OF, HEY, NEW, NEW ESTABLISHMENT. PEOPLE WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, AND NOW I THINK THEY HAVE A CONSISTENT FLOW OF TRAFFIC. SO AT LEAST IN THE AMHERST VERSION, THAT'S NOT NO LONGER A CONCERN FOR THIS PROPOSAL FOR MCKINLEY PARKWAY. I DID SPEAK WITH ANTHONY AND THE APPLICANT, AND THEY DID COME TO A WORK SESSION PREVIOUSLY AND SHOWED A LAYOUT THAT DID HAVE TWO DRIVE THRU LANES. I THEN BROUGHT UP THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT IF SOMEBODY HAS AN EMERGENCY OR NO LONGER JUST WANTS TO GET SOMETHING FROM THE DRIVE THRU, HOW WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GET OUT? SO I BELIEVE ANTHONY WILL SPEAK TO A THIRD LANE THAT WE DID ASK FOR. THEY ALSO DID PROVIDE A LANDSCAPING PLAN. SO IN MY PRELIMINARY REVIEW, FROM A PLANNING DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT, I AM VERY PLEASED WITH THIS NEW KIND OF LAYOUT. I DEFINITELY THINK THAT INTERNAL CIRCULATION IS A LOT BETTER, CONSIDERING THAT IT'S AN OUT PARCEL INTO THE MCKINLEY MALL. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS OF BACKING OUT ONTO, YOU KNOW, A STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. SO I DEFINITELY THINK THAT IT IS A BETTER AMENDED PROPOSAL FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT. THANK YOU. CAMMY, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD BEFORE WE JUMP IN FROM THE ENGINEERING SIDE? I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT WHAT JOSH SAID THE REVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. THE SITE IS LESS THAN AN ACRE, SO IT DOES NOT DO A FULL STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE STATE PERMIT, BUT IT WILL STILL NEED A GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN. AND WE'LL STILL REVIEW THE ENGINEERING FOR THE SMALLER SITE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANTHONY. JOSH KIND OF STOLE EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE. YES. ANTHONY PANDOLFI AGAIN WITH CARMINA WOOD, DESIGN PROJECT ENGINEER AS AS JOSH MENTIONED, WE WERE HERE, I BELIEVE IT WAS BACK IN MARCH DURING THE WORK SESSION. AND YES, AT THAT TIME THERE WAS WE WERE ONLY SHOWING THE TWO DRIVE THRU LANES. WE HAVE ADDED A THIRD PASS THRU LANE. THE ONE OTHER THING WAS THE. INITIALLY HAD THE CURB CUT LINING UP WITH THE DRIVE THRU. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO KEEP THE EXISTING CURB CUT THAT THE CURB CUT. YOU'RE SHOWING OFF THE WHERE THE MALL IS THAT IS EXISTING. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT. THAT ALLOWS SOME EXTRA STACKING SPACES IN [01:00:05] FRONT OF THE SEVEN BRU THERE A COUPLE COUPLE EXTRA SPACES, YOU KNOW, AS JOSH MENTIONED SEVEN BRU. YOU KNOW IT'S NEW TO THE AREA. IT'S EXTREMELY POPULAR AS HE MENTIONED WITH THE AMHERST LOCATION. I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS LOCATION AND THE AMHERST LOCATION. ONE, THE AMHERST LOCATION DOES NOT HAVE A PASS THRU LANE. SO NOT ONLY CAN PEOPLE GET OUT, SHOULD THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND, THEY DON'T WANT TO WAIT. WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE WAY SEVEN BRU OPERATES. THEY DON'T HAVE AN ORDER MENU. THEY'LL HAVE WHAT THEY CALL TEXTERS. COME WALK THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH AND TAKE YOUR ORDER WHILE YOU'RE IN YOUR CAR. THIS ALLOWS MULTIPLE ORDERS TO BE TAKEN OUT, TAKEN AT ONCE, MULTIPLE ORDERS TO BE MADE AT ONCE. SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE IN LANE TWO AND YOU'RE 2 OR 3 CARS BACK. THE CARS IN FRONT OF YOU. THEY GOT SEVEN DRINKS SO THEIR WAY IN, YOU GOT ONE DRINK, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE YOU'RE ONE DRINK IS GOING TO BE DONE BEFORE, AND THEY WILL WALK IT TO YOUR CAR, AND THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THAT, OUT THROUGH THAT PASS THROUGH LANE AND EXIT THE PROPERTY. SO A LOT DIFFERENT THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL DRIVE THRU TYPE ESTABLISHMENT. SO ALL OF THIS IS MEANT TO KEEP THE DRIVE THRU MOVING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I'LL DRINK MENU. THERE'S NO NO FOOD, NO SIT DOWN. SO IT'S DRIVE THRU DRINKS ONLY THEY DO A LOT. THEY DO MORE THAN JUST COFFEE. HENCE, DESPITE THE NAME SMOOTHIES, ENERGY DRINKS, MILKSHAKES, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT'S VERY POPULAR WITH THE YOUNGER GENERATION. ANOTHER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS LOCATION AND THE AMHERST, I WANT TO POINT OUT, AS JOSH ALSO TOUCHED ON, THIS BACKS UP SHOULD STACKING BACK UP OFF SITE, IT CAN BACK UP INTO THE PARKING LOT FOR THE MCKINLEY MALL. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE LANDLORD TO COME UP WITH A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO BASICALLY, SHOULD STACKING COME OFF SITE, THEY WOULD HAVE EMPLOYEES AND CONES SET UP WITHIN THE PARKING LOT OF THE MALL TO ALLOW STACKING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT. A LARGE, LARGE PORTION OF THAT PARKING LOT IS GOES UNUSED. THAT'S WHY SEVEN LOOKS FOR LOCATIONS LIKE THIS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, BIG PLAZAS WHERE THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY COULD UTILIZE PARKING LOT THAT OTHERWISE DOESN'T GET USED. SO OBVIOUSLY THE GOAL IS TO NOT HAVE STACKING BACK UP INTO THE MAIN ROADWAY, WHICH WOULD BE MCKINLEY HERE. I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY WAY THAT WOULD HAPPEN BECAUSE AS I SAID, WE WOULD MANAGE IT WITHIN THE PARKING LOT OF THE MALL. AND THEN JUST ANOTHER THING JOSH POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THEY FIRST POP UP, THEY ARE HUGELY POPULAR. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A BIG THING WITH AMHERST. AMHERST WAS THE VERY FIRST LOCATION HERE. THEY NOW HAVE LOCATIONS IN NIAGARA FALLS, DUNKIRK, LOCKPORT ONE CURRENTLY BEING BUILT IN CHEEKTOWAGA, ANOTHER ONE BEING GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS IN CHEEKTOWAGA. THIS ONE AS WELL. A COUPLE MORE IN THE WORKS. SO AS MORE OF THESE POP UP THAT HOPEFULLY SHOULD MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE CRAZINESS, SO TO SPEAK. AND YOU'LL KIND OF SEE, LIKE HE MENTIONED AFTER THE FIRST FEW MONTHS, KIND OF COME BACK, DEVIATE DOWN TO THE, TO THE NORM. AS TAMMY MENTIONED, WE'RE UNDER AN ACRE, SO NO SWEAT, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, GRADING, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. WE'RE BASICALLY UTILIZING ALL OF THE PAVEMENT AREA THAT'S THERE. WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY. WE'RE ACTUALLY SUBTRACTING A SMALL AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA. THE I BELIEVE THIS WAS A BANK BEFORE. YEP. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT. IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE DOLLAR TREE AND PANERA THERE. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY REMOVING THERE'S A PARKING AREA RIGHT HERE. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DECREASING THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, ALBEIT BY A SMALL AMOUNT. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT'S COVERS EVERYTHING. REALLY. ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE TONIGHT, I THINK IS TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING. BUT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I CAN ANSWER THEM. OKEY DOKE. JOSH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL ALSO ADD IS FROM A SECRET PERSPECTIVE, OUR DEPARTMENT WILL CONSIDER THIS TO BE A TYPE TWO ACTION. IT'S A NONRESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE THAT'S UNDER 4000FT■S. I THINK THE BUILDING'S 510FT■!S IS THE TOTAL OF IT. OBVIOUSLY, MINOR IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF THE PARKING WITHIN IT. SO FROM A SECRET PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T RECOMMEND DOING A COORDINATED REVIEW, NOR DO WE THINK IT'S NECESSARY. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IF WE, YOU KNOW, AGREE THAT IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION, THERE WOULD BE NO FURTHER SECRET REVIEW NEEDED FOR THIS PROJECT. OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, WE CAN SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING. I DID EARMARK IT AS THE LAST PROJECT FOR THE MEETING ON THE 17TH, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT, YOU CAN ALSO DO THAT AS WELL. ENGINEERING. [01:05:03] DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? JUST AS ANTHONY WAS TALKING, JUST A COUPLE CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS. SO ALL THE LANES AND EVERYTHING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS STRIPING THEN? YES, YES. IS IT CURVING AROUND THE BUILDING? THERE IS EXISTING CURBING ALL AROUND THE WHERE WHAT'S EXISTING IS ALL CURVED ON THE OUTSIDE. OKAY, BUT WHAT ABOUT PROTECTION FOR THE O ON THE INSIDE? YES. THAT IS CURBED AS WELL. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE ACCIDENTS THAT SOMEONE ACCIDENTALLY HIT THE GAS INSTEAD OF REVERSE OR SOMETHING. YES. THE, THE INNER ISLAND WHERE THE, WHERE THE ACTUAL STAND IS, IS CURVED. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, ANY BOLLARDS OR ANYTHING? THERE IS BOLLARDS UP NEAR WHERE YOU WOULD STOP TO BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE A CANOPY UP WHERE YOU WOULD STOP WHERE THE MAIN DOORS ARE. THERE'S LIKE A CANOPY THERE. SO THERE'S BOLLARDS THERE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME COLUMNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. HOW WIDE IS THE STRIPING BETWEEN THE TWO MAIN LANES? SO I ASSUME THAT'S WHERE A ONE OF THE PERSONS, THE EMPLOYEES WOULD WALK TO ACCESS VEHICLES FROM. YEAH. SO WE STILL HAVE TO ADD IT TO THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU. BUT WE ARE GOING TO ADD A SIDEWALK AROUND HERE SO THAT THEY CAN WALK ALONG LANE ONE. AND THEN YES, THE STRIPED AREA IN BETWEEN EACH DRIVE THROUGH LANE IS 12.5FT WIDE. AND THEN THE STRIPED AREA IS ANOTHER TWO FEET. SO, YOU KNOW, THE 12.5 IS A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY A STANDARD DRIVE THROUGH LANES, USUALLY ABOUT 12. SO IT'S A LITTLE WIDER. AND THEN PLUS THAT EXTRA TWO FEET PUSH IN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'LL SHOULD ALLOW THE PERSON TO WALK IN BETWEEN WALKING BETWEEN THE CARS FOR TO SERVICE LANE TWO, LANE ONE WILL BE SERVICED FROM THE INSIDE ISLAND PORTION. OKAY. AND THEN YOUR DUMPSTERS ARE BOLLARDS AROUND THERE. YES. OKAY. YES. SO AS THE STANDARD PROTOTYPE SEVEN BLUE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IS WILL BE CMU BLOCK WITH A CHAIN LINK SLATTED CHAIN LINK FENCE GATE, EXCUSE ME IN FRONT. AND THEN THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED IN THIS STRIPED OFF AREA IN THE BACK HERE. AND I GUESS I JUST ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT WE ARE DESIGNATING SOME STRIPING ALONG HERE, JUST REUSING THE EXISTING KIND OF LEFTOVER BLACKTOP THAT'S ALREADY THERE AS LIKE SNOW STORAGE OR, OR WHATNOT. OKAY. THOSE WERE ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, NO ONE. I WAS LOOKING DOWN WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE SNOW STORAGE. WHERE IS THE SNOW STORAGE? YEAH. SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE GOT LANE ONE, LANE TWO, AND THEN THE PASTURE LANE THERE. AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE REUSING THE EXISTING PAVEMENT THAT'S THERE. SO THERE'S SOME LEFTOVER AROUND HERE ALONG THE SIDE. AND THEN EVEN BACK HERE, MAYBE BY THE DUMPSTER, THERE'S SOME ROOM TO FIRST FOR SNOW STORAGE. OKAY. AND THIS IS SET FAR BACK ENOUGH FROM MCKINLEY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO VISIBILITY ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT AS WITH, YOU KNOW, ANY DEVELOPMENT, SHOULD WE GET ONE OF THOSE BUFFALO SNOWSTORMS? THEY'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A TRUCK TRUCK OFF SITE. BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE INTERMEDIATE STUFF, WE GOT ROOM ON SITE FOR STORAGE. MY OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN MCKINLEY MALL WITH THE STACKING GOING INTO THEIR PARKING LOT. IS THAT LIKE, IS THAT GOING TO BE A FOR SURE THING? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN HAVE THEM. YEAH, YEAH. SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING OUT THE DETAILS WITH THE LANDLORD. I CAN SEE IF WE CAN HAVE A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN DONE BY THE NEXT MEETING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D BE GLAD TO, TO BRING FOR YOU GUYS ONE THAT'S AGREED UPON WITH THE LANDLORD AND THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH AND THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN UTILIZE ANY EXTRA STACKING SHOULD IT BE NEEDED. MR. ZAJAK, WOULD YOU ALSO WANT THAT BEING SITE PLAN CONDITION? OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE ONE QUESTION, ANTHONY. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU PROVIDED OR NOT. I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A RENDER JUST OF WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD? YEAH, I CAN PROVIDE SOME ARCHITECTURAL COLOR AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS. OKAY. SURE. YEAH. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT TO TAMMY'S POINT, WITH RESPECT TO THE DIMENSIONING OF THE STRIPING AND SO FORTH, AND ALSO THE PUBLIC CONCERN FROM OTHER LOCATIONS. IF IN YOUR NEXT SUBMISSION, IF YOU COULD INDICATE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MORE DIMENSIONING, I SEE IT IN ONE AREA, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT SIDEWALK THAT YOU'RE STAYING AND THEN HOW THAT STRIPING WOULD WORK. YEAH. YEAH. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT SITE PLAN IS DIMENSIONED. I KNOW WE HAVE A DIMENSION VERSION SO WE CAN. [01:10:02] THE OTHER THING, I'VE GOT TWO SITE PLANS THAT I'M LOOKING AT. THERE'S ONE WHERE I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT'S CUT. WELL, THE THING IS THAT THE CURB CUT IS EITHER IN LINE WITH THE LANES, OR THE CURB CUT IS IN LINE WITH THE EXIT, SO THAT YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THE ONE WE CAME TO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE. LET'S SEE, I THINK THIS. SO I'LL PULL UP THE OLD ONE, THE THE ONE FROM MARCH WHEN THEY CAME. YEAH. ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT ONE. YEAH. AND THE AERIAL SKETCH. OH YEAH. SO YEAH, BOTH THIS ONE AND THE AERIAL SKETCH ARE FROM WHEN THEY CAME FOR SKETCH PLAN REVIEW IN MARCH. OKAY. AND THEN JUST TO CONFIRM THAT YOUR ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS GOING TO BE ALIGNING WITH THAT ISLAND CUT OPPOSITE INTO. OH YES. YES, I MEANT TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING. EXTRA STACKING IT LINES UP WITH THAT CROSS ACCESS TO THE MALL PARKING LOT. GREAT. SO I CONCUR WITH THE ADDITIONAL ASKED FOR THE THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT EITHER IF IT'S JUST A LINE ON A SITE PLAN TO SHOW WHERE THE OVERFLOW WOULD GO, AND ALSO THAT THE PROOF OF THAT CONDITION WOULD. PROOF OF THE AGREEMENT WOULD BE A PART OF OUR CONDITIONS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. ANYBODY ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? NO. OKAY. SO. JOSH. PUBLIC PROJECT WILL BE TABLED FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 17TH. IS THAT CORRECT? DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, ANTHONY, HAVING EVERYTHING IN TIME FOR THAT? OKAY. YEAH, JUST JUST THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND COLORED ELEVATIONS. REALLY. THAT'S AND THE SITE PLAN WITH THE DIMENSIONS. OH YES. I PLAN WITH DIMENSIONS. YES. AND DOES THE BOARD FEEL COMFORTABLE GIVING JOSH THE APPROVAL TO DRAFT RESOLUTIONS. YES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S DRAFT SOME RESOLUTIONS. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 17TH. THANK YOU. THIS IS USUALLY MY GIG, BUT IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MEMBER RYAN MAKES A MOTION TO ADJOURN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. EVERYBODY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.