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1. Kevin Wyse – Requesting Sketch Plan Direction on a proposal for a 400 sq-ft automated coffee shop with a drive-thru pickup and other associated site improvements, to be located on a 0.43-acre vacant parcel at 0 Southwestern Blvd (SBL #: 170.16-4-7)

2. A.K. Kaid – Requesting Change of Use and Site Plan Approval on a proposal for a retail cannabis dispensary and associated site improvements to be located at 3233 Lakeshore Road

3. Dave Manko – Requesting Amended Site Plan Approval of revised dumpster locations for the Mission Hills Villas Phase IV project, located on the east side of Camp Road

4. Planning Board to discuss the draft Final Environmental Impact Statement submitted by Parker Road Developers, LLC regarding a proposed subdivision to be located on the west side of Parker Road, south of Big Tree Road

Aug 19, 2026 08-19-2026 PB Meeting

1. Kevin Wyse – Requesting Sketch Plan Direction on a proposal for a 400 sq-ft automated coffee shop with a drive-thru pickup and other associated site improvements, to be located on a 0.43-acre vacant parcel at 0 Southwestern Blvd (SBL #: 170.16-4-7)

2. A.K. Kaid – Requesting Change of Use and Site Plan Approval on a proposal for a retail cannabis dispensary and associated site improvements to be located at 3233 Lakeshore Road

3. Dave Manko – Requesting Amended Site Plan Approval of revised dumpster locations for the Mission Hills Villas Phase IV project, located on the east side of Camp Road

4. Planning Board to discuss the draft Final Environmental Impact Statement submitted by Parker Road Developers, LLC regarding a proposed subdivision to be located on the west side of Parker Road, south of Big Tree Road

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JOSH. JOE'S. YEAH, I TURNED IT OFF. OKAY. GOT BOTH OF THEM. RIGHT. SO. GOOD EVENING.

NORMALLY, WE WOULD HAVE A WORK SESSION, BUT OUR ASSISTANT IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT KIND OF MADE A BOO BOO AND CANCELED THE WORK SESSION WITHOUT TALKING TO THE CHAIR. SO JOSH AND I MADE AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION, AND WE'RE MOVING THE WORK SESSION TO THE MEETING. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT STARTING UNTIL 7:00. SO I WILL OFFICIALLY START THE AUGUST 19TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING. CALL IT TO ORDER. AND IF WE WOULD PLEASE ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

MEMBER. SHIMURA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? WILLIAM CLARK HERE, KAITLIN SHIMURA PLEASANT. CINDY. GRONINGEN. PRESENT. KIM RYAN PRESENT. BRIAN STEWART HERE. RICH ZAJAK HERE. AUGIE GERACI ABSENT AND EXCUSED. AND MILTON KWANT, OUR ALTERNATE IS OUT ILL. OKAY, SO WE DO HAVE A FULL BOARD, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE MINUS ONE FULL TIME MEMBER. AND WE WILL START

[1. Kevin Wyse – Requesting Sketch Plan Direction on a proposal for a 400 sq-ft automated coffee shop with a drive-thru pickup and other associated site improvements, to be located on a 0.43-acre vacant parcel at 0 Southwestern Blvd (SBL #: 170.16-4-7)]

THE REGULAR MEETING WITH KEVIN WISE REQUESTING A SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION ON A PROPOSED ON A PROPOSAL FOR A 400 SQUARE FOOT AUTOMATED AUTOMATED COFFEE SHOP WITH A DRIVE THRU PICKUP AND OTHER ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. SO GOOD EVENING. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK THE MICROPHONE AND TALK RIGHT INTO IT SO WE CAN HEAR YOU, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR ALLOWING US ON THE AGENDA AND MOVING THE WORK SESSION. WE APPRECIATE THAT. SURE. EXCUSE ME. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JACOB METZGER. I'M WITH METZGER CIVIL ENGINEERING. ALSO WITH ME THIS EVENING IS MR. KEVIN WEISS AND ALEX WEISS IN THE BACK.

THEY ARE THE OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS OF THIS PROJECT. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOARD, IS A DEVELOPMENT OF A 0.43 ACRE PARCEL ON SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. EXCUSE ME TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE THIS IS. IT'S IN BETWEEN.

LOWE'S IS FURTHER TO THE OH, I'M SORRY. NO. I'M OKAY. YOU'RE GOING WITH ME. EXCUSE ME.

LOWE'S IS FURTHER TO THE TO THE SOUTH AND THEN YOU. IT'S BASICALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MICHAELS AND UNCLE JOE'S. YEAH. SO THAT THAT'S THE THE AREA THAT WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARCEL ITSELF, AS I SAID, WAS 0.43 ACRES ADDRESSED AT 4840 SOUTHWESTERN BOULEVARD. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE, WHICH IS AN ALLOWED USE FOR THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

AND WHAT BASICALLY IT IS, IS, IS A 400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN AUTOMATED COFFEE DRIVE THRU AND WALK UP SHOP. THAT'S IT. WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR ALL THE SETBACKS THAT ARE REQUIRED. THERE'S NO VARIANCES NEEDED. IT'S IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. THERE YOU SEE THE BUILDING, A RENDERING OF THE BUILDING IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER.

BUT AS WE POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. WE JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT AND AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD AND OPEN THE DISCUSSION WITH, WITH YOU ALL.

WITH THAT, I CAN I CAN OPEN IT FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS. WE CAN ANSWER. OKAY.

JOSH, CAN YOU PULL UP THE LOCATION ON THE MAP FOR US, PLEASE? I DO HAVE JUST SOME ERIE COUNTY MAPS, IF THAT HELPS. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT SO WE CAN GET AN IDEA. SURE. FURTHER NORTH, I THINK. JOSH. THAT'S. YEP. THAT'S THE LOWE'S.

OH NO THAT'S THAT'S WALMART RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. WE GOTTA GO FURTHER WAY FURTHER NORTH.

SORRY. YEP. YEAH. THERE IT IS. YEP. RIGHT THERE. SEE IT'S KIND OF ODDLY SHAPED. YEP. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. YOU GOT IT. SO WHERE'S HOWARD ROAD FURTHER TO THE NORTH. CORRECT. RIGHT.

RIGHT THERE. ALL RIGHT, I WAS RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING

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TO ADD? YEAH. SO I MET WITH MR. WEISS. WE HAD KIND OF LIKE A COORDINATION MEETING. HE MET WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE JUST HAD THE SEVEN BREW. I JUST PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE BOARD HAD TALKED ABOUT. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR, BUT I'LL LET THEM EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE SEVEN BREW, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S A COFFEE SHOP THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY AUTO CENTRIC. WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HIGHLIGHTED IS THAT OBVIOUSLY, THIS BOARD WOULD BE VERY INQUISITIVE ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING BUFFERING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE BUSINESSES AND THERE'S ANOTHER RESIDENCE TO THE NORTH. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY. OBVIOUSLY, ALSO BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION TO HOWARD ROAD, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THAT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN ON HOWARD ROAD. AND WE JUST KIND OF I JUST KIND OF GAVE HIM A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO KIND OF PREPARE FOR THE BOARD FOR SKETCH PLAN DIRECTION.

OBVIOUSLY, SHOULD THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH A FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION, IT WOULD BE A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER. IT'S ONLY 410FT■!S. BUT EVEN THOUGH T IT BEING A A TYPE TWO ACTION, I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF JUST SENDING IT TO THE STATE. JUST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ANYTIME WE HAVE SOME SORT OF DRIVE THROUGH USE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE STACKING, JUST WANT COMMENTS FROM DOT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY 20 IS THEIR ROAD. AND THEN FROM THERE, AS WE MENTIONED, CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS ALREADY DETERMINED THAT THIS IS A PERMITTED USE IN C ONE WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FOR THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A COMMENT ON THE STACKING. I WILL ASK THEM TO KIND OF JUST SPEAK ABOUT THE USE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THAT. SEVEN BREW AND THE AUTOMATION PIECE. I THINK IF THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT, THAT'D BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD TO KNOW. AND THEN YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY ASK ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FURTHER THAN THAT. OKAY. WELL HANG ON, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR CHANCE. SO BOARD MEMBERS, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? MEMBER STEWART.

MEMBER STEWART, I HAVE A QUESTION. LOOKING AT THE PICTURE UP CLOSER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HEAR YOU LOOK, LOOKING AT THE RENDERINGS, I NOTICED THAT THERE'S ONLY A SINGLE LANE DRIVE THROUGH. YES. AND WE BROUGHT UP THIS CONCERN WITH SEVEN BREWERIES. ALSO, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT IS MAYBE 8 OR 9 CARS BACK AND THEY GOT TO GET OUT, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL ALL THOSE CARS GET THE ORDER, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT ANOTHER LANE IN FOR A CAR TO EXIT? GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THERE IS A THERE IS A A WAY FOR THEM TO EXIT THE QUEUING LANE HALFWAY THROUGH THE LINE. IF YOU SEE THAT WE LEFT THAT OPEN, WE DID WELL. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK. SO. SO LET'S GET YOU ON MIC SO WE CAN. OKAY. SO WHAT WE DID OKAY, SO WHAT WE DID IS THERE'S, THERE'S TWO THINGS GOING ON HERE. THIS IS THE DRIVE THROUGH. SO YOU PLACE AN ORDER HERE AND YOU PICK IT UP HERE. IF YOU DO A MOBILE APP ORDER, OH, I I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HOLDING IT.

YEAH. IF YOU DO A MOBILE APP ORDER, YOU PICK IT UP HERE AND CAN PARK HERE. SO AND IF YOU WANT TO COME HERE ALSO, YOU CAN PLACE AN ORDER. SO THIS THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS INSIDE THAT BUILDING. THIS IS MOBILE AND DRIVE UP IF YOU LIKE. THIS IS DRIVE THROUGH WHICH YOU PLACE THE ORDER HERE. IF BY CHANCE YOU'RE STUCK IN HERE AND SAY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WAITING ANY LONGER, WE OPEN THIS UP HERE AND YOU CAN DRIVE OUT. WE WERE THINKING AFTER TALKING WITH JOSH, HE ALSO HAD ME MOVE THE DUMPSTER AND A FEW OTHER THINGS. SO HE SAID IT WOULD BE NICE IF HE COULD OPEN THIS AREA UP AND LET HIM DRIVE OUT IF THEY GET STUCK IN THERE. SO TO YOUR QUESTION, THERE'S A WAY OUT. AND, AND THE FACT THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE THE TWO LANES BECAUSE LIKE SEVEN, BRUCE WILL HAVE A ONE LANE AND THEN THEY HAVE A PERSON THAT COMES OUT AND TAKES CARE OF THE SECOND LANE. OURS ONLY HAS THIS RIGHT HERE, BUT WE THINK WE'VE ALLEVIATED SOME OF THE BACKUP THAT BY HAVING THIS HERE AND BEING ABLE TO DO MOBILE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ONE LANE, YOU'LL HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS. AND WE WERE AFTER TALKING WITH JOSH, WE DID REDO SOME OF THE PLANS BASED ON HIS COMMENTS. AND YEAH, SO THAT'S A MOBILE YOU ORDER ON THE MOBILE, IT WILL GO INTO A A SMART LOCKER. SO IF YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER, THE IT WILL BE PUT IN A LOCKER. YOU'LL GET IT. THEY'LL GO BY YOUR LAST FOUR DIGITS OF YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBER THAT WILL BE SENT TO YOU. AND THEN WHEN YOU PULL UP, YOU GO TO THE

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SMART LOCKER, PUT YOUR NUMBER IN. YOUR DRINK WILL BE WAITING OR YOUR. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE DRINKS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT SNACKS LIKE COOKIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. MY WIFE DESIGNED ALL THESE KID TOYS AND KID MEAL, YOU KNOW, KID, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A LITTLE FURRY ANIMAL, ALL KINDS OF. IT'S WISE BREW. IT'S AN OWL. AND SO YOU GET THE TAKE ON IT.

THAT'S NICE. YEAH. AND I REALLY LIKE THE BUILDING A LOT. IT'S SIMPLISTIC AND. YES. AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS WHEN I FIRST SHOWED JOSH, I SAID, OUR MAIN THING IS TO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT JUST A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADVENTURE. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LANDSCAPING. WE WANT IT TO LOOK REALLY NICE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THERE AND WE WANT AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS IT'S WITH A ROBOT. THE ROBOT WILL INTERACT WITH YOU. SO IF YOU GO THERE AND THE ROBOT MAY SAY SOMETHING LIKE, OH, SO THAT BRIAN, THAT'S ALL YOU ORDERED TODAY. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT MY FAMILY ON ONE DRINK? YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRESS A BUTTON THAT SAYS EITHER I WANT A POLITE COMMENT OR I WANT A SARCASTIC ONE. SO THAT WAS MY SON'S IDEA. SO WE'RE GOOD MARKETING, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS OUR COFFEE AND OUR DRINKS. I GUESS I'M GOING TOO FAR, BUT I'M EXPLAINING THIS. OUR COFFEE. IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE SEVEN BREWS, TIM HORTONS, DUNKIN DONUTS, WE WE WENT TO A ROASTING CLASSES AND STUFF.

THERE'S I DIDN'T KNOW THIS UNTIL RECENTLY. THEY RATED OUT OF 100 THEIR TIM HORTONS DUNKIN DONUTS SEVEN BREWS IS IN THE 30S. WHEN YOU GO TO STARBUCKS, IT'S IN THE 70S. THE QUALITY OF IT. WE'RE LOOKING. AND WE'VE. WE'VE GONE TO ROCKET COFFEE AND WE'RE LOOKING TO GET IN THE 80S.

SO WE WANT OUR COFFEE TO BE THE MAIN THING, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, THE QUALITY OF IT. SO WE'RE DOING MORE OF A PREMIUM, BUT AT A REASONABLE PRICE. SO OKAY. OKAY. HERE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MEMBER. STEWART. ANY OTHER I THINK ALSO TO YOUR POINT MEMBER STEWART IN A IN A FULL SITE PLAN, I THINK, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHAT THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO SEE AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER KIND OF USES THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT WAYS TO TURN IN AND OUT IS I THINK SIGNAGE IS GOING TO BE A BIG THING IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU COME IN AT, WHERE YOUR EXIT IS, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNAGE. I KNOW SOME OF THE PLAZAS THAT WE'VE HAD RECENTLY. THE THE BOARD HAS BEEN REALLY WANTING AN APPLICANT TO HAVE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO I THINK IN A FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION, THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE DIRECTING YOU IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOUR EXITS ARE? MAYBE IT'S LIGHTED A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO COME IN. AND THEN IF THEY HAVE TO GET OUT WHERE THE EXITS ARE.

UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. MEMBER STEWART, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MEMBER. RYAN. HI.

I'M CURIOUS NOW THAT YOU SAY THAT THAT PEOPLE CAN GET OUT OF THEIR CAR TO GO UP TO THE WINDOW, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THAT PEOPLE CAN PARK TO DO THIS? FIVE, FIVE, FIVE. IT'S MOSTLY FOR MOBILE PICKUP, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO I'M SORRY, BUT YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA USE THE MIC GUYS. OH MY GOSH. NO, IT'S MOSTLY FOR MOBILE PICKUP. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE VERY LONG. YOU PICK IT UP AND YOU'RE OUT OF THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYONE ELSE? JUST TO CLARIFY, THE WAY IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP PRODUCTS IS THROUGH A DRIVE THRU LANE OR THROUGH A MOBILE PICKUP. THERE'S NO INTERACTION INTO THE BUILDING. CORRECT. YOU WON'T GO IN THE BUILDING. OKAY.

SO THEN THEREFORE THE FIVE IS SOLELY FOR THE MOBILE, CORRECT? OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE CURB CUT AND DOT'S INVOLVEMENT. BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT ONTO THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. SO OBVIOUSLY, SHOULD THEY GET APPROVED, THEY OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH D.O.T. ON THE HIGHWAY WORK PERMIT. THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION AND WE TYPICALLY DON'T USUALLY DO COORDINATED REVIEWS WITH THAT, I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD TO AUTHORIZE ME TO SEND IT TO D.O.T. FOR THEIR COMMENT, SO THAT I CAN ALSO PASS IT ALONG TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE D.O.T. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN THE PAST ABOUT CURB CUTS AND HOW THE DOT DOES NOT LIKE TO HAVE NEW CURB CUTS ONTO THEIR ROADWAYS, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE AND THIS IS MORE MY OWN CURIOSITY WHERE BECAUSE OF A PROJECT BEING PROPOSED AND A, YOU KNOW, AND FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT DOES IT DOES IT, IT DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS. YEAH. RIGHT NOW IT DOES NOT HAVE A CURB CUT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. SO IN PREVIOUS PROPOSALS THAT WE'VE SEEN, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THERE'S A PROJECT PROPOSED ON A STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM, ROUTE FIVE, ROUTE 20, SO ON AND SO FORTH, IF IT HAS SECONDARY

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ACCESS FROM A LOCAL STREET. SO I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, IN LAKEVIEW, THERE'S SOUTHWESTERN AND HELPS AND HELPS IS, YOU KNOW, THE CROSS STREET. A LOT OF TIMES DOT'S POLICY HAS BEEN, IF YOU HAVE ACCESS FROM THAT SECONDARY STREET, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S A TOWN ROAD OR A LOCAL ROAD, THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO PUSH IN AND OUT OF FOR THIS PROPERTY, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SECONDARY ACCESS, THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT ON THE PROPERTY IS ONTO THE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM. OKAY, SO I THINK THAT THAT WILL WORK MORE IN THEIR FAVOR. THAT DOT ALMOST KIND OF HAS TO GIVE THEM SOME SORT OF ACCESS TO, TO THE PROPERTY. GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER? THIS IS A WOODED LOT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY TREES YOU'LL BE REMOVING? WE HAVEN'T DONE A TREE SURVEY. NO. OKAY, BUT THE TOTALITY OF THE SITE, MINUS OBVIOUSLY THE THE NORTH SIDE AND THE EAST SIDE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING LEAVING A TEN FOOT BUFFER JUST TO LEAVE. LEAVE VEGETATION IN PLACE FOR FOR ADDED BUFFER FOR THE NEIGHBORS, FOR YOUR LANDSCAPING. THAT WILL BE PART OF THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL. YEAH. THAT'LL, THAT'LL INCORPORATE INTO LANDSCAPING AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY WE'LL REMOVE ANY DEAD TREES, I'M NOT SURE. BUT ASH IS OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN. WE WOULD THIN OUT ANY ASH TREES AND LEAVE ANY ANY TREES THAT WERE OF VALUE IN THOSE AREAS. OKAY. SO JOSH, WOULD THEY APPLY FOR THE CURB CUT FIRST OR WHICH COMES FIRST, THE HORSE OR THE CARRIAGE? A LOT OF TIMES SOMETIMES APPLICANTS HAVE IN CONVERSATION WITH DOT PRIOR TO GETTING APPROVAL. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE CAN AS THEY'RE CONTINUING, THIS IS JUST SKETCH PLAN. SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S STILL CONCEPTUAL. THEY HAVEN'T DONE FULLY ENGINEERED DRAWINGS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. WHEN THEY COME WITH US FOR A FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION, WE WILL ALERT D.O.T. BY ALERTING THEM THAT THERE'S A PROJECT COMING, BUT THEN ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY THEY CAN REACH OUT TO D.O.T. ON THEIR OWN ACCORD, SO ON AND SO FORTH. HAVE YOU HAVE YOU DONE THAT YET WITH DOT OR IS IT TOO EARLY? NO, IT IT SEEMS PREMATURE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT WE WOULD NEED FIRST AND WE WOULD NEED AN APPLICATION FOR THE DOT. OBVIOUSLY IT'S THE ONLY ACCESS TO A PUBLIC HIGHWAY. THEY HAVE TO GRANT US RIGHTS TO THE HIGHWAY. OKAY, OKAY. I. IF I COULD ATTORNEY GOGAN ON THIS, I'M LOOKING AT THE GIS MAP AND THE GIS MAP DOES SHOW SOMEWHAT OF AN APRON BETWEEN THE THE GUTTER OF 20 AND THE SIDEWALK. IT'S PROBABLY ONLY TEN FEET FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE LOT. SO THERE IS KIND OF A CURB CUT. SO NOW YOU I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST THE QUESTION OF A CURB CUT. IT'S MOVING AN EXISTING CURB CUT. YEAH. EXCUSE ME. GENTLEMEN, CAN I GET THE CHATTER? CAN WE DURING THE MEETING, PLEASE? OKAY, GOOD.

JUST JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THERE IS SOMETHING. FROM WHAT I SEE, THERE IS SOME CONCRETE BETWEEN THE GUTTER AND THE SIDEWALK THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. YEAH, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN FROM AN OLD HOUSE. WHO KNOWS WHEN IT WAS FROM. BUT YEAH, IT'S PROPERTY THAT WOULD ALL BE PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL AT ONE POINT. SURE, THAT WOULD BE ALL PART OF THE HIGHWAY WORK PERMIT. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY CLOSE THAT, MAKE THAT A CURB, AND THEN OPEN UP WHERE WE NEED THE ENTRANCE TO BE. AND THAT WOULD ALL BE HASHED OUT WITH THE DOT AT THE HIGHWAY WORK PERMIT STAGE. ONCE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE HAVE A VIABLE PROJECT APPROVAL. OKAY, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? SO IN TERMS OF JUST TO HELP THEM AS THEY'RE CONTINUING TO PUT MATERIALS TOGETHER FOR A FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, OR FURTHER REFINE SITE PLAN CHAIR, DO YOU WANT SOME SORT OF MEMO OR NARRATIVE ON TREE CLEARING AND MAYBE AN ESTIMATE OF, YOU KNOW, THE ACREAGE OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT OF HOW MANY TREES WOULD BE CLEARED? DOES THE BOARD AND WE'VE DONE THIS FOR OTHER KIND OF SIMILAR PROJECTS. DO YOU WANT KIND OF LIKE A STACKING PLAN OF, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THE CAR, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THE PROJECT BE AT ITS, YOU KNOW, HIGHEST TRAFFIC VOLUME, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PLAN WOULD BE IF THE CAR STARTS TO TRACK, OBVIOUSLY WITH THIS ONE SAME THING WE RAN INTO SEVEN, YOU KNOW, SEVEN REMOVED. AT LEAST IT WAS INTO THE MALL APRON. ANY KIND OF BACKING UP OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE ON TO ON THE ROUTE 20. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT SOME SORT OF LIKE STACKING PLAN MEMO ANALYSIS. YEAH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MATERIALS THAT YOU WOULD WANT FOR THEM TO PREPARE AS THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A FULL SITE PLAN APPLICATION, JUST TO INDICATE THE LANDSCAPING AND THE BUFFERING AS HE REFERENCED TO, AND THEN GO AHEAD AND ORDER AND START THE COORDINATED REVIEW.

WELL, WE CAN'T DO IT UNTIL WE GET THE YEAH, NOT REALLY ACCORDING TO REVIEW, BUT STARTING TO SEND THINGS TO D.O.T. JUST TO GET THEIR PRELIMINARY. OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, I, I DON'T WANT THEM DELAYED IN ANY WAY IF THEY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY.

OKAY. YEP. SO YOU GUYS GOT SOME HOMEWORK TO DO. YEAH. SO WHAT WE WILL, WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL TABLE YOU INDEFINITELY UNTIL EITHER ONE OF YOU REACH OUT TO MY DEPARTMENT TO MAKE A MEETING. AND THEN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, WE WILL SEND YOU TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING.

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OKAY. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN. ALL RIGHT, GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. I DON'T MAKE THE RULES. I JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM. I HEAR IT FROM IT. OKAY, SO PART OF THE REGULAR MEETING WAS CHUCK KLUCKHOHN WAS GOING TO BE TABLED UNTIL. IS IT TILL SEPTEMBER 2ND? SORRY FOR CHUCK. YEAH. YEAH. HE'S EARMARKED FOR SEPTEMBER 2ND. YES. OKAY. SO HIS HIS IS TABLED BOARD MEMBERS UNTIL SEPTEMBER 2ND. OKAY. AND I'M SORRY, DID YOU TWO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO YOU AND ATTORNEY GOGAN, I INTERRUPTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT CASE IS A K CADE

[2. A.K. Kaid – Requesting Change of Use and Site Plan Approval on a proposal for a retail cannabis dispensary and associated site improvements to be located at 3233 Lakeshore Road ]

REQUESTING CHANGE OF USE AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON A PROPOSAL FOR A RETAIL CANNABIS DISPENSARY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. CORRECT. OKAY. AND WE DO HAVE A DRAFT RESOLUTION. SO BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING, THE APPLICANT, WELL, THE ARCHITECT ACTUALLY CAME IN FRONT OF US WITH THE BUILDING. THEY HAVE CHANGED THE BUILDING. WE HAVE IT IN OUR SHAREPOINT, THE NEW BUILDING, THE GARAGE DOOR WAS REMOVED.

THE PATIO IS STILL THERE, WHICH I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. AND I THINK THAT THE PATIO AND THE OVERHANG FOR THE PATIO SHOULD BE REMOVED, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT IT CONFUSES THE CONSUMERS AND ANYBODY ENTERING ONTO THE PROPERTY. AND BEING THAT THE CANNABIS LAW IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE WHOLE BUILDING HAS TO BE ENCLOSED, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU DON'T GIVE ANY KIND OF IMPRESSION THAT THERE'S ANY KIND OF OUTDOOR USE SETTING AREA, SMOKING AREA, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT THEY REMOVED THE THE GARAGE BASED ON MEMBERS AJAX REQUEST AND THE DISCUSSION AT THIS TABLE. AND BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT THE OVERHANG LEFT SHOULD BE THERE OR NOR THE PATIO. I THINK IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? YEP. LET'S SEE. OH, THAT'S THE TOILET BACK THERE. THAT'S DOING THAT. OKAY.

THERE. SO I FEEL THAT THAT PATIO AND THAT OVERHANG IS OVERKILL AND IT MISREPRESENTS OR COULD BE MISLEADING TO ANYONE ENTERING INTO THE BUILDING. SO I'M LOOKING FOR SUPPORT ON MY REQUEST TO REMOVE THAT. I WOULD AGREE THAT THE PATIO AND OVERHANG, IF THERE IS NO CONSUMPTION ALLOWED ON THE PREMISE THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE A PART OF THE SITE PLAN. ANYONE ELSE? MEMBER RYAN CONCURS WITH THAT. OKAY. MEMBER STEWART AGREES AS WELL. OKAY, SO. BASED ON THAT, WHAT DO WE DO? WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN THE WHERE DO WE WHAT DO WE DO? SO CONSIDERING THAT YOU WOULD WANT THE THE CONCRETE DECK REMOVED, I WOULD TABLE IT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 2ND SO THAT I CAN RELAY THESE CHANGES TO. BECAUSE I WOULD WANT. I MEAN, YOU CAN CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE SITE PLAN CONTINGENT ON THEM CHANGING THE SITE, THE CONCRETE DECK, BUT I THINK THE BOARD WOULD PROBABLY PREFER SEEING A SITE PLAN THAT HAS THE DECK REMOVED, SEEING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO CONDITIONALLY, POTENTIALLY APPROVE THAT VERSION OF A SITE PLAN. IF THAT'S THE THE ROUTE THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO GO. SURE, I AGREE. WAS THERE ALSO A SIGNAGE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED THAT WAS REQUESTED? I DIDN'T SEE IT PER SE, OTHER THAN THE SIGN ON THE FRONT OF THE. I KNOW THEY PUT TOGETHER A SECURITY PLAN. ONE OF THE TWO. I KNOW THEY PUT TOGETHER A SECURITY PLAN. THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE RENDERS OF CHANGING THE GARAGE OVER TO WINDOWS. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY PROVIDED A SIGNAGE PLAN PER SE.

I CAN ALSO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE BOARD AS PART OF CANNABIS LAW. I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF IT ON THE CANNABIS LAW. IS THAT DOES IT ADDRESS THE SIGNAGE? I DID ADD A CONDITION THAT ANY SIGNAGE WOULD HAVE TO FALL INTO CONFORMANCE WITH. THERE'S A THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING PRETTY RIGOROUS SIGN REGULATIONS CODE IN THE TOWN. I ALSO THINK I PUT I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, A CONDITION OF NO NEON LIGHTS, SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. YOU CAN ALSO MAKE A CONDITION THAT JUST KIND OF SPECIFIES WHAT KIND OF LIGHTS ARE PROHIBITED OR SIGNAGE IS PROHIBITED IF YOU WANT AS WELL. IS THERE THE ABILITY TO. LIMIT

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OR PROHIBIT THE LIKE FLAG SIGNAGE THAT HAS LIKE SMOKE SHOP AND YOU CAN'T I DON'T THINK WE'RE ABLE TO PROHIBIT THAT UNDER THE NEW UNDER. OH YEAH. SORRY. LIKE I'M I'M CONSIDERING THE MUSIC STUDIO ACROSS THE WAY AS LIKE A COMMUNITY FACILITY. SO SINCE THAT'S WITHIN 500FT, WOULDN'T WE HAVE TO MITIGATE THAT FOR THE KIDS AND WOULDN'T. SO WE COULDN'T STIPULATE IT THAT WAY THAT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BRIGHT COLORS AND LIKE, LIKE, LIKE SAID FLAGS AND WELL, CONSIDERING THE, THE ZONING BOARD GAVE IT A USE VARIANCE.

NOW IT'S CONSIDERED A PERMITTED USE. SO FROM A CONDITION STANDPOINT, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN TAKE A LOT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT STANDARDS, WHICH THE ZONING BOARD DIDN'T APPLY. AND THOSE I'VE KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED INTO THE SITE PLAN CONDITIONS, GETTING INTO THE TYPES OF FLAGS AND BANNERS. LIKE I SAID, I DEFER MAYBE TO JOE ON LIKE MAYBE FROM A LEGAL ASPECT. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN RESTRICT OR PROHIBIT A FLAG THAT MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, A LOGO ON IT OR SO ON AND SO FORTH. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HAVE A SITE PLAN CONDITION THAT THAT PROHIBITS THAT. I, I. MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO AND ATTORNEY GOGAN CAN HELP ME, BUT I THOUGHT THE SUPREME COURT RULED ON THAT SEVERAL YEARS BACK ABOUT. WE CAN'T CONTROL THE VERBIAGE ON SIGNAGE. AND THAT HAPPENED WHEN I WAS BACK ON THE ZONING BOARD BACK IN MICHIGAN THAT WE COULDN'T. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE UNITED STATES. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN TELL THEM ON THEIR SIGNAGE. YEAH, I'LL SAY IF THAT FALLS WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE, WE CAN'T. RIGHT. FROM A LEGAL SIDE, OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE LEGAL SIDE. ALL I KNOW IS THAT BASED OFF PRIOR PRECEDENT, WE DO HAVE HAD OTHER DISPENSARIES. WE HAVE NEVER PUT A CONDITION LIMITING THEIR SIGNAGE OR THEIR BANNERS OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT. I WASN'T AWARE THAT WE COULD. CAN I, BY ANY CHANCE, DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY HAVE TWO DOORS GOING INTO THE BUILDING? LIKE I'M KIND OF CONFUSED ON WHAT PART IS THE PART THAT THEY'RE GOING INTO BEFORE THEY GO IN, GO INTO THE PER SE BACK ROOM FOR THE ACTUAL SALE. LIKE THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES. ARE THEY LOOKING AT THE OTHER HALF TO BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS JUST NOT BEING DISCUSSED WITH US YET OR DISCUSSED PERIOD. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE DOOR CLOSEST TO WHERE THE DECK IS RIGHT NOW, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT DOOR THAT'S LIKE NEAR THAT SECOND PARKING SPOT, THE SECOND DOOR, THE DOOR THAT'S FARTHEST AWAY FROM THE DECK, I WOULD THINK, IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE ENTERING THE CANNABIS SHOP. AND I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WHERE THE DOOR CLOSEST TO DECK IS, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE THEIR BACK ROOM IT TYPE THING. SO I'M JUST KIND OF, I STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WHY THERE'S TWO DOORS LIKE CAUSE IT, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT DOOR BEING THERE IN THE PREVIOUS. IT WAS A GARAGE, THE GARAGE. NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS DOOR ON THIS SIDE IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IT WAS THERE THAT WAS THERE. IT WAS LABOR OF THE SECURITY OFFICE OR SOMETHING. YEAH, THAT WAS THE MAIN DOOR. AND THEN THEY HAD THE GARAGE DOOR. YEAH. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY A DOOR. YOU GO IN TO AN OFFICE THAT REALLY NOTHING GOES ON OTHER THAN THEM. CHECK YOUR ID AND STUFF. AND THEN YOU'RE TAKEN INTO A BACK ROOM WHERE IT'S VERY SECURE FOR ANY SALES OR GOING OVER PRODUCT. SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LAYOUT. THAT'S ALL. AND WITHOUT THEM HERE TO ASK, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD SAID ANYTHING TO YOU. JOSH. I DON'T KNOW. THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE DOOR, BUT I CAN FLOAT YOUR QUESTION AND PASS YOUR QUESTION ALONG TO THEM. LIKE I SAID, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BOARD WANTS TO BRING THEM BACK ON THE SECOND, SO I WILL HAVE THEM COME BACK AND THEY'LL ADDRESS YOUR YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY.

THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. AND I REMEMBER SHIMURA, YOU WOULD LIKE THE LIGHTING. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT LIGHTING OR YOU WANTED SOMETHING? NO, IT'S JUST THAT I HAVE A HIGH DISTASTE FOR FLASHY FLAGS THAT SAY SMOKE SHOP ALL OVER IT. OH, AND THAT ESPECIALLY WITH THE BEING CLOSE TO THE MUSIC SCHOOL AND AND SO FORTH, THAT JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY IN WHICH THAT COULD BE MITIGATED, BUT I GUESS NOT. SO THAT'S FINE. OKAY. BUT I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE ONLY CHANGES WOULD BE THE REMOVAL OF THE PATIO SPACE. AS A REVISED SITE PLAN, PATIO SPACE AND AND THE OVERHANG. CORRECT. PERGOLA. THE ENTIRE THE ENTIRE CONCRETE DECK.

RIGHT. AND THEN VERIFICATION ON WHY THE TWO DOORS, THE TWO ENTRANCES, AND THEN MAYBE THEY COULD TALK TO US ABOUT THEIR LIGHTING. OKAY. HOW'S THAT? WOULD THAT HELP? WELL, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LIGHTING. OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? MEMBERS. JACK, I

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HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE SECURITY. I LOOKED OVER THEIR THEIR PLAN OR WHATEVER. AND IT IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S LIKE CLOUD STORAGE, LIKE IT'S NOT ON LIKE, I WAS WONDERING IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MONITORS ON SITE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY VIEW THEIR CAMERAS BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THEY, YEAH, THEY HAVE CAMERAS, THEY'RE RECORDING, BUT IT'S, THERE'S NO MONITOR.

SO THEY CAN'T ACTIVELY LIKE WHOEVER'S WORKING THERE. CAN'T ACTIVELY LOOK AT THE CAMERAS.

LIKE IF THERE'S A BLIND SPOT THAT THEY CAN'T SEE OUTSIDE, THEY COULD LOOK AT THE CAMERA AND BE LIKE, OH, WHAT'S THAT GUY DOING? YOU KNOW? RIGHT. SO THAT WAS MY ONE QUESTION THAT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDRESSED OR OKAY. YEAH. WELL, LIKE I SAID, WHEN, WHEN I, WHEN WE BRING IT BACK ON THE SECOND, I'LL HAVE THEM, I'LL LET THEM KNOW OF YOUR CONCERN AND THEN I'LL HAVE THEM TALK. AT LEAST THEY'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. HOW MANY CASES DO WE HAVE ON THE SECOND? RIGHT NOW? FIVE. FIVE WITHOUT THEM IS FIVE. SO TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND THEN THIS WOULD MAKE IT SIX. THIS. IF YOU ADDED THIS, THIS WOULD BE SIX. YEP. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT UNTIL THE SECOND. THANK YOU.

YEP. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST BEFORE YOU KIND OF CLOSE IT, I WOULD ASSUME YOU JUST WANT ME TO UPDATE THE CONDITIONS ACCORDINGLY BASED OFF OF YOU'RE GONNA REVISE THE DRAFT, THESE NEW CHANGES AND RESOLUTION. YES. OKAY. YEP. WE'LL DO ABSOLUTELY. YEP. OKAY. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE. OKAY. SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG,

[3. Dave Manko – Requesting Amended Site Plan Approval of revised dumpster locations for the Mission Hills Villas Phase IV project, located on the east side of Camp Road ]

OUR NEXT CASE IS DAVID MANCO WITH HIS 500 $0 CHECK. AND AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HAPPENED.

SO MR. BANCO IS REQUESTING AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A REVISED UP DUMPSTER LOCATION FOR MISSION HILLS VILLAS PHASE FOUR PROJECT, LOCATED AT EAST SIDE OF CAMP ROAD. AND SO I WILL LET THEM EXPLAIN WHAT? WHAT'S GOING ON? HI, DAVID MANCO, MISSION HILLS, 4543 CAMP ROAD, HAMBURG, NEW YORK. THIS MAP THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WOULD HAVE BEEN PHASE FOUR OF MISSION HILLS, AND WE BUILT IT LAST YEAR. AND AS WE WERE BUILDING IT AND GETTING NEAR THE FIRST COMPLETION OF THE FIRST PHASE, WE REALIZED THERE WAS NO LOCATIONS FOR DUMPSTER LOCATION ON THE SITE. SO WE ARBITRARILY LOOKED AT THE SITE AND FIGURED OUT WHERE WOULD BE THE BEST SPOTS TO PUT DUMPSTERS. AND WE PUT PADS IN AND WE FENCED IN ALL THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS WITH VINYL FENCE. AND THEN THERE'S GATES THAT OPEN UP SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT DUMPSTERS. WE HAVE WALKWAYS WHERE THE TENANT CAN WALK IN AND PUT THEIR GARBAGE INTO THE DUMPSTER, AND AFTER THAT, WE PUT ON FOUR LOCATIONS ON SITE FOR THE SENIORS. SO ALL OF THEM HAVE A SPOT EITHER TO PARK YOUR CAR, SOME WALK TO THEIR DUMPSTER, SOME PUT THEIR GARBAGE ON THE BACK OF THEIR CAR AND STOP AND THROW IT IN THE DUMPSTER. BUT ALL OF THEM ARE PRETTY WELL IN WALKABLE LOCATION FROM THEIR HOMES. SO IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY BOB, THE ENGINEER, THAT THE BOARD. WANTED A REVISED SITE PLAN. SO WE SUBMITTED THE REVISED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE FOUR LOCATIONS FOR THE CURRENT DUMPSTERS. AND THEN ONE OTHER CONVERSATION WAS BROUGHT UP BY BOB. IT WAS ALSO SUGGESTED THAT THE BOARD WANTED ME TO FILE A MAP COVER FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE SINCE IT'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND IF WE HAD TO GO, I DID THE RESEARCH ON THE MAP COVER. IF WE WERE GOING TO SELL THESE FOR CONDOMINIUMS, WHICH WERE NOT THEIR MULTIFAMILY, AND THEY HAVE ONE SBL NUMBER ACROSS THE PROPERTY, IF WE WERE TO BREAK THIS UP INTO A MAP COVER, WE'D HAVE TO CREATE 55 SEPARATE SBL NUMBERS, WHICH WOULD CREATE A LOGISTICS OF PROBLEMS REGARDING WHAT THE CURRENT MORTGAGES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE NOW THE MORTGAGES WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE DISASSEMBLED, AND WE'D HAVE 55 SEPARATE CLOSINGS ON 55 SEPARATE APARTMENTS. AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MAP COVER ON A MULTIFAMILY PIECE OF PROPERTY. NOW, THIS WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY BOB FROM ENGINEERING THROUGH A CONVERSATION HE SAID THAT WAS BROUGHT TO HIM, AND I SAID I WOULD DISCUSS IT WITH THE BOARD. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER HEARD OF IT BECAUSE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW, YOU GUYS HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS. WELL. WELL, THE THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL OF MISSION HILLS, I WANT TO SAY, IS BACK IN 23 FOR PHASE FOUR.

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AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME THAT THE BOARD AT THAT TIME WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING MR. MANCO SUBMIT A MAP COVER FOR PHASE FOUR OF MISSION HILLS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN RENTAL UNITS. I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER BEEN TOWNHOMES, CONDOS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN RENTAL UNITS. BOB DID MENTION THAT. SO THERE ARE ALL REASONS, EVEN BEFORE YOU IS, AS HE MENTIONED, MEMBERS OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN DOING INSPECTIONS. THEY NOTICED THE DUMPSTERS, BUT THEN ALSO MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED OR THEY HAD SEEN PREVIOUS MENTION FROM PREVIOUS BOARD OF HAVING MR. MANCO FILE A MAP COVER. SO WE KIND OF WRAPPED IT ALL IN ONE TO NOT ONLY DISCUSS THE SITE PLAN WITH THE REVISED DUMPSTER LOCATIONS, BUT THEN ALSO DISCUSS IF THIS BOARD STILL FEELS IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE MR. MICHAEL FILE A MAP COVER FOR PHASE FOUR OF THIS PROJECT, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING ON THAT DISCUSSION. THERE SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE WAS IN 23. YEAH, IT WAS APPROVED FEBRUARY 15TH, 2023. CONCEPTUALLY, IT WAS APPROVED IN 2012. RIGHT. BUT WE DIDN'T TURN THIS PHASE ON. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I BUILT PHASE ONE, TWO AND THREE. BUT AS, AS A WHOLE, IT WAS THE WHOLE PROJECT WAS APPROVED ROUGHLY 2012 TOOK ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO GET IT APPROVED. WHEN WAS THE MAP COVER PROVISION? DO YOU WANT TO GRAB YOUR MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU? MEMBER CLARK, WHEN WAS THE MAP COVER PROVISION PUT IN THERE? WAS THAT IN 2012 OR IS THAT. NO, IT WAS DISCUSSED AND IT WAS ONLY DISCUSSED IN 2023. BUT IT DIDN'T. IT NEVER IT DIDN'T IT DIDN'T SEEM PREVALENT AT THE TIME. I SAID, SINCE WE'RE BUILDING MULTIFAMILY, WE'RE NOT BUILDING AND SELLING THE MAP COVER DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SO NOW WE'RE HERE TO DIGEST, TO DISCUSS THE MAP COVER, BECAUSE THE MAP COVER, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES. OH GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM SEAN HOPKINS. I WAS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE APPROVALS BACK IN 2023.

OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE MINUTES IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT WOULD BE A LEGAL COVER FOR THIS, MEANING YOU CAN'T DO IT. THESE ARE RENTAL UNITS. WELL, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF WE. BUT WHY WOULD WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION? I DON'T YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THE MINUTES ON HAND. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT CONDITION. BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE THE MINUTES WITH YOU? YOU DON'T HAVE THEM IN YOUR BACK POCKET. I MEAN, COME ON AND KEEP IN MIND. THE OTHER THING IS THAT WOULD MEAN YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK FOR APPROVALS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I MEAN NO, I, I, I GET ALL THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THE MINUTES TO FIND OUT WHAT DIRECTION, WHERE THEY WERE GOING. I MEAN, WE, YOU AND I WERE BOTH ON THE BOARD, BUT THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I MEAN, IF CAN YOU FILE A MAP COVER FOR THE ONE PROPERTY NOT BREAKING IT UP, IS THAT WHAT WAS IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT? IT'S ALREADY IT'S THE PARCEL ALREADY EXISTS. YEAH.

YEAH. SO THERE'D BE NO REASON TO FILE UNLESS. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS IF THAT. CAN YOU GRAB YOUR MIC, PLEASE? MAP COVER WAS NEVER FILED WHEN THE ORIGINAL PARCELS WERE SUBDIVIDED INTO THE THE EXISTING MAP COVERS FOR THE FOR SALE UNITS, THE MAP COVERAGE.

AND THAT THAT'S THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF IS THAT THAT FOR SOME REASON IT WAS NEVER FILED APPROPRIATELY WHEN THAT SUBDIVISION OF, OF, OF PARCEL LOTS WAS WAS CREATED THAT I CAN CONFIRM OCCURRED. OKAY. NOW THOSE THE SHADED AREAS ARE THAT IS THAT WETLANDS. YES SIR. YES IT IS. YEAH. SO I WONDER IF IT WAS FOR SOME REASON TO RECORD THOSE. I JUST PULLED THE FEBRUARY 15TH, 2023 MINUTES FROM THE APPROVAL. THERE'S NO CONDITION OF A FINAL MAP COVER BECAUSE I KNOW IF IF I WAS HERE THEN. SO THERE'S NO CONDITION. YEAH. SO THERE'S NO CONDITION.

YEAH. AND I KNOW IF I WAS HEARING THAT CONDITION CAME UP, I WOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING BECAUSE I SAID, WELL, YOU REALLY CAN'T. UNLESS THE WETLAND PART. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION. WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T PUT A CONDITION. NO, I KNOW, BUT MAYBE WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND THEN DECIDED NOT TO. I DON'T KNOW WHERE ENGINEERING WOULD GET IT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE RESOLUTION AND IT'S NOT IN THERE, IT DOESN'T. YES, BECAUSE THIS IS MISSION HILLS SUBDIVISION SUBDIVISIONS REQUIRE MAP COVERS UNLESS THE PLANNING BOARD WAIVES THE FINAL PLAT AND MAP COVER. I MEAN, WE BECAUSE THIS IS A PHASE OF A LARGER SUBDIVISION, IT TRIGGERS IN OUR OFFICE THE REQUIREMENT FOR MAP COVER. SO I THINK IT NEEDED TO HAVE A CONDITION THAT MAP COVER WOULD NOT APPLY SO THAT WE WOULD BUTTON UP MISSION HILLS SUBDIVISION AS A WHOLE, AS OPPOSED TO THE FACT THAT IF THIS HAD COME IN AS A SINGLE SITE PLAN, IT WOULDN'T BE A CONVERSATION. BUT BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE LARGER SUBDIVISION, OKAY. HENCE THE THE DISCUSSION OF MAP COVERS. AND SO WE WANTED TYPICALLY, AGAIN, TYPICALLY THIS BOARD WOULD WAIVE IT. SO THAT'S WHY IT TRIGGERS BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE TREATED IT AS A SITE PLAN. BUT THE TRUTH IS IT WAS PHASE FOUR OF A SUBDIVISION. OKAY, NOW THAT

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MAKES SENSE. KIND OF OVERLAP AND CONFUSION, RIGHT. BUT I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THERE'S NOTHING. YEAH. HE'S CORRECT. AND IT IS CALLED MISSION HILLS SUBDIVISION, THE OVERALL PROJECT. BUT THE REASON WHY THE MAP COVER WOULDN'T HAVE APPLIED, THERE WAS NO NEED FOR A WAIVER.

WE WEREN'T CREATING ANY NEW PARCELS. SO SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I COME IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION, SOME OF YOU RECALL ASK FOR A WAIVER OF A MAP COVER BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY CREATING THREE PARCELS RIGHT HERE. NOTHING WAS BEING CREATED. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION BASED ON. WELL, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THIS WASN'T RIGHT. THIS WAS IN THE EARLY STAGES. SO NOTHING WAS MOVED FORWARD ON ENGINEERING FLAGGED IT. SO RIGHT. SO NOW WE COULD JUST ADD IT AS A RESOLUTION. BUT THERE IS NO NEED FOR A WAIVER. THERE'S NOTHING TO WAIVE, RIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING TO WAIVE. AND IF IF WE WANT TO JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THIS, AS YOU KNOW, BOARD DISCUSSED IT, DETERMINED IT DIDN'T APPLY. I'LL GO BACK TO ENGINEERING, BUT THEN THE DUMPSTERS WOULD STILL APPLY. SO THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT BOTH ISSUES, WHICH WE CAN. I, I HAVE NO ISSUE IF THIS BOARD DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE IT ANY KIND OF A MOTION. IT'S JUST BASED ON DISCUSSION. IT WAS DETERMINED TO NOT APPLY. NOW LET'S TALK DUMPSTERS. OKAY? OKAY. AND WITH THE DUMPSTERS, WHAT FLAGGED IT REALLY IS BECAUSE THIS BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PARKING DECISIONS. SO THIS IS AROUND AN ASSOCIATED WITH SOME PARKING SPACES THAT WERE PART OF YOUR APPROVAL. AND THEN TYPICALLY YOU ASK FOR DUMPSTERS OR HOW THEY'RE HANDLING GARBAGE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE 2023 CONVERSATIONS WERE AT THAT TIME. IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT TOO LONG FOR THAT. BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE SUDDENLY THERE ARE NOW FOUR DUMPSTER DUMPSTERS IN THEIR SITE PLAN THAT THIS BOARD DID NOT REVIEW. WE FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO COME BEFORE YOU AND TALK ABOUT THE AS BUILT CONDITIONS AND SEE HOW YOU FELT. UNDERSTOOD. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT TAMMY JUST SAID. MY QUESTION IS LOOKING AT THESE DUMPSTERS, DOES IT REMOVE OR HINDER ANY PARKING WHATSOEVER? MIKE, PLEASE. MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

SORRY. YES. IN TWO LOCATIONS. AND CAN I, CAN I APPROACH AND JUST SHOW YOU WHERE THEY ARE? SURE. OKAY. AS LONG AS YOU TAKE YOUR MIC WITH YOU. OKAY, I GOT IT, I GOT IT. I FEEL LIKE MONTE HALL COMING DOWN. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. SO YOU CAN GO AROUND. I'LL COME AROUND. YEAH. SO AS YOU COME INTO THIS PHASE RIGHT HERE, THERE'S FOUR SPOTS WERE LOCATED TO BE ON THE SITE PLAN.

AND WHAT WE DID IS WE PUT THE DUMPSTER ON THE BACK SIDE SO WE WOULDN'T LOSE ANY. THERE WERE THREE SPOTS LOCATED HERE. WE'VE ADDED THE FOUR SPOT WHERE THE DUMPSTER WAS GOING TO BE. SO OBVIOUSLY THAT AREA IS HASHED OUT. TYPICALLY, YOU DON'T WANT TO PARK YOUR CAR THERE. NO ONE PARK TO GET INTO THE TO GET TO THE DUMPSTER. THAT'S WHERE YOU PARK AND TAKE YOUR TRASH OUT.

MOST OF THESE TENANTS IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE EITHER WALK OR DRIVE THEIR CAR UP, STOP, DROP THEIR GARBAGE OFF, AND THEY LEAVE. OKAY, THIS GROUPING OVER HERE, THIS FOUR UNIT, FIVE UNIT AND THESE UP HERE, WE PUT A SECOND LOCATION RIGHT HERE. AND THERE ARE THERE WERE FIVE PARKING SPOTS, ONE PARKING SPOT LINES UP WITH THE DUMPSTER. AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PARK THERE DURING THE DAY, THEY CAN. NOTHING INHIBITS YOU FROM PARKING THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN WALK IN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DUMPSTER AND THROW YOUR GARBAGE OUT. ALL THESE TENANTS TYPICALLY ALL WALK TO THE DUMPSTER AND THEY PUT THEIR GARBAGE IN OVER HERE. THEN WE PUT ANOTHER LOCATION OVER HERE ON THE SITE FOR THIS CLUSTER OF PEOPLE RIGHT HERE. AND SAME THING THIS GENTLEMAN DOES PUT HIS IN THE BACK OF HIS TRUCK, COME DOWN, PARK IN THE ROAD, THROW IT IN, BACK OUT AND GO DOWN. BUT YEAH, THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS THAT WE PUT IN. WE PUT. SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION IS THERE'S NO PARKING THAT'S BEEN REMOVED FOR THESE DUMPSTERS. NONE WHATSOEVER. OKAY. THAT'S ALL YOU HAD TO TELL ME. I JUST BUT VERY GOOD THOROUGH EXPLANATION. YEAH. DAVE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DID YOU SAY YOU'RE STRIPING THOSE PARKING SPACES THAT WE HAVE WE STRIPED? WE THE ONE RIGHT HERE, THE ONE THAT IS THIS ONE RIGHT UP HERE. I WANT TO SAY I THOUGHT WE HASHED IT, BUT I'M, I'M NOT CLEAR. I'M NOT 100% CLEAR WHETHER WE HASHED IT OR WE DIDN'T HASH IT. I DON'T KNOW. SO BUT THE, THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU WERE POINTED OUT HERE, THAT IS AT THE END OF A PARKING SPACE. WE WERE DESIGNED TO PUT IN THREE. WE ACTUALLY ADDED A FOURTH FOR THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. WE DID ADD AN EXTRA. THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD CLARIFICATION. YES. THEY THEY DID NOT LOSE A PARKING SPACE BECAUSE THE DUMPSTER IS THERE, BUT THEY DID ADD ONE THAT ENDS UP BEING SORT OF THE DUMPSTER PARKING SPACE, MEANING. CORRECT. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S SIGNAGE STRIPING, SOMETHING THAT ENSURES SOMEONE DOESN'T PARK THERE FOR A LONG TERM AND JUST HAPPENS TO BE ON THE DAY

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GARBAGE PICKUP TRUCKS COME THROUGH. SO NOW CAN'T GET TO THE DUMPSTER BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS PARKED THERE. ONE OF THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, OUR DUMPSTERS ARE ROUGHLY SIX YARDS SQUARE, FLAT BOTTOM DUMPSTER. SO WE HAVE A MACHINE THAT COMES IN WITH A, WE HAVE A SET OF FORKS AND A SMALL LOADER. THEY PICK UP THE DUMPSTER. THE DUMPSTER IS PARKED IN A LOCATION. SO WHEN THE FRONT END LOADER COMES IN, THERE'S NO TWISTING OR TURNING.

THEY DRIVE STRAIGHT IN, PICK IT UP. THEY DUMP IT, LEAVE IT. THEY DRIVE RIGHT AROUND IN A CIRCLE. THEN THEY DO THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WAS THIS AFTERNOON. SO HE COMES ABOUT 1:00. HE'S OUT OF THERE ABOUT 145. THEN WE COME FROM BEHIND AND WE START RELOADING ALL THE DUMPSTERS BACK INTO THEIR SPOTS. WE CLEAN THE AREAS OUT, WE CLOSE THE GATES, AND WE'RE READY FOR NEXT WEEK TO HAPPEN ALL OVER AGAIN. OKAY. AND THEN LOCATION TWO. YES, THAT ONE RIGHT HERE IS THE ONE THAT YOU BELIEVE OR ARE WILLING TO STRIPE OR HATCH OR SOMETHING.

YES. SO THAT PARKING SPACE WOULD BECOME ONLY FOR THE DUMPSTER. THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE BALANCE OF PARKING SPACES JUST FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE WOULD SORT OF BE LOST BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE ANYTHING LONG TERM PARKING. IT WOULD BE DUMPSTER ONLY PARKING. NOW, AFTER THE YEAR OF WATCHING THIS THING KIND OF GROW, THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE OWNS THREE VEHICLES. SO HE DOES PARK ONE VEHICLE OVER IN THIS CORNER, AND SOMEONE COMES TO VISIT THEIR MOTHER OVER HERE FROM NORTH CAROLINA. THOSE ARE ABOUT THE ONLY TWO SPOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED CHRISTMAS TIME. WE ARE OPEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH AT CHRISTMAS, AND OBVIOUSLY ONCE WE GET OUT OF THERE, WE'RE HOME OURSELVES. SO I REALLY COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S OCCURRING AFTER WE LEAVE AND, YOU KNOW, CLEAN THE PLACE UP IN THE MORNING DOWN HERE. THERE'S NOTHING DOWN HERE. I MEAN, NOTHING HAPPENING OTHER THAN PEOPLE COMING IN AND PEOPLE LEAVING. WE DO HAVE THE TRAILER PARK THAT LIKES TO USE OUR DUMPSTER OVER HERE. OKAY. AND I JUST ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT WE DID CORRECT ALL THE ENGINEERING PROBLEMS FROM THIS TRAILER PARK, AND WE WORKED WITH CAMI'S OFFICE, THE FLOODINGS OF THE ROADS DOWN HERE. WE, WE, WE TOOK CARE OF ALL THE TRAILER PARKS, WATER ISSUES. WE'RE CONTROLLED THROUGH THIS SITE PLAN AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN WORKING PRETTY WELL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, SO AT THIS POINT, WE NEED TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN, THE REVISED SITE PLAN. GOTTA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FIRST. I LOVE YOU TO. THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO JUST SAY THAT. WE THINK THE IMPACT DOESN'T CHANGE OUR PRIOR. WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU AS A AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL. YEAH, WE GOT A DAY OF A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. I MEAN, THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR JOE. I MEAN, WHEN A CHANGE TO A SITE PLAN COMES IN, WE ASK THAT IT BE SUBMITTED TO ENGINEERING. I REVIEW IT WITH PLANNING AND WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

AND WE DETERMINE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO COME TO THIS BOARD. YOU COULD I DON'T KNOW IF IF JOE AGREED, YOU COULD DISAGREE WITH US AND SAY THAT THIS IS A MINOR CHANGE AND YOU DON'T FEEL THAT IT IS A CHANGE, BUT WE FELT THAT IT WAS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO HAVE THIS BOARD LOOK AT IT. THAT'S I THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH. I. THAT'S ALSO A GOOD POINT. WE.

THERE HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY MULTIPLE TIMES I'VE COME TO THE BOARD WITH A REQUEST SAYING, HEY, DO YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE THIS? AND THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF TIMES YOU'VE EITHER GRANTED A SITE PLAN WAIVER OR SAY, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPROVAL TO GIVE, JUST CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO. I, I THINK GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT AND THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, AND IT DOES CHANGE EVERYTHING, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS AND DO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MEMBER SHIMURA, I ACTUALLY DISAGREE. I THINK THAT IT HAS SUCH LITTLE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.

THE OVERALL FLOW OF THE PROJECT AND ANY OF THE IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THE OVERALL OPERATION OF IT, THAT I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE CAN WAIVE, IF THERE IS THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THE AMENDED SITE PLAN, I. I THINK ATTORNEY JOSEPH GOGUEN, I THINK WE DID DISCUSS WHEN THERE WAS A DE MINIMIS CHANGE AND HOW I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE CODE ABOUT IT. I DON'T RECALL IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SO I'LL HAVE TO RESEARCH IT. BUT IT DID GIVE AUTHORITY TO TO SOMEONE OR SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE. AGAIN, I HAVE TO LOOK IT UP TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A DE MINIMIS CHANGE OR NOT, AND COULD BE BYPASSED THAT WAY. SO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DO NOT RECALL. BUT THERE IS YOU. YEAH, YEAH, THERE THERE IS. IT'S NOT THE PLANNING.

THE PLANNING BOARD IS NOT THE GROUP. YES. SO AS YOU GUYS RECALL, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON SITE PLAN REVIEW THAT SITE PLAN REVIEW CODE PLANNING HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD.

SO IT'S IN EFFECT WE DID ADD A CHANGE AS A PROVISION THAT IF BUILDING DEPARTMENT ENGINEERING

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AND PLANNING COHESIVELY AGREE THAT A CHANGE IS MINOR, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT ALONG TO PLANNING FOR FULL SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SO. IT'S THE PLANNING CHAIR THAT'S PART OF THAT ORDINANCE. I I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'M. BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, I'D RATHER I.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY. AND I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE MINIMAL, BUT THAT'S I, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD DISAGREES WITH ME, THEN THEY DISAGREE WITH ME. BUT I THINK THAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, WE'RE JUST DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE FOR DOWN THE ROAD.

THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. SO WE HAVE ONE THAT'S FINE WITH HAVING PLANNING AND IT'S NOT OUR DECISION, THE GROUP THAT IT IS THE DECISION OF DECIDED IT HAD TO GO FORWARD. SO THE REST OF US DISAGREEING DOESN'T MAKE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF SO WHO AGREES OR WHO DOESN'T? SO. 28314 OF OUR NEW SITE PLAN CODE SAYS SITE PLAN REVISIONS. A PROPERTY OWNER WISHING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO AN APPROVED SITE PLAN SHALL SUBMIT A REVISED PLAN TO THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. ANY CHANGES DEEMED SIGNIFICANT VARIATION FROM THAT PLAN, AS DETERMINED BY THESE DEPARTMENTS, SHALL GO BEFORE PLANNING BOARD FOR APPROVAL. SO IT'S ACTUALLY PLANNING AND ENGINEERING, NOT EVEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT. SO THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS CAN ASK FOR SOMEBODY TO SUBMIT A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT THIS BOARD CAN EITHER GO FOR FULL SITE PLAN APPROVAL, OR IF OUR DEPARTMENTS FEEL THAT IT'S A MINOR ENOUGH CHANGE, THEN IT CAN JUST WORK WITH. 314 YEAH, IT'S ONE SIGN THAT IT JUST GOES TO THE CHAIR.

SITE PLAN WAIVERS INVOLVE THE CHAIR. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD 1500 FOOT ADDITION OR LESS, THAT'S YOU, ME, CAMI AND JEFF, THAT'S ALL FOUR OF US. AND THIS IS THE PLANNING BOARD.

THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. SO NOT EVEN THE PLANNING BOARD. AND THEY DECIDED IT SUPPOSED TO COME TO US. SO IT COMES TO US. SO NOW IT'S UP TO THE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO NOW IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD. IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. OKAY. WELL SO WE CAN DECIDE NOT TO DO IT. YEAH. SOUNDS LIKE ONCE YOU GUYS SEND IT, WE HAVE TO. THAT'S THE WAY I GOT IT. RIGHT. CUZ IF YOU WOULD HAVE DECIDED THAT IT WAS MINIMAL, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SENT IT TO US. TRUE. RIGHT. I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE THAT IT CAN'T BE. THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SENT IT TO US IN THE FIRST PLACE. RIGHT. SO THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE SCHEDULED WHEN WE HAVE IT FOR NINE TWO. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING ON NINE TWO. THANK YOU. YES. AND JUST TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD, THAT WAS PURSUANT TO LOCAL LAW TEN FOR 2026. I'M SORRY, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? CAN WE MAKE A MOTION YOU WANT DRAFT RESOLUTIONS TO LOOK AT IN CASE THE PUBLIC HEARING BRINGS NO COMMENT, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THE DRAFT RESOLUTION. YES, JOSH. YOU CAN.

GOTCHA. JOSH AND I'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER SO LONG. NOW HE JUST READS MY MIND. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT DO WE HAVE? OKAY, OUR FINAL CASE THIS EVENING. IS TWO MORE. WELL, TECHNICALLY THERE'S ANOTHER CASE, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A CASE OF THAT ONE. SO WE HAVE

[4. Planning Board to discuss the draft Final Environmental Impact Statement submitted by Parker Road Developers, LLC regarding a proposed subdivision to be located on the west side of Parker Road, south of Big Tree Road ]

THE PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THE FINAL DRAFT TO DISCUSS THE DRAFT FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT FOR PARKER ROAD. GO AHEAD. YES. GOOD EVENING, SEAN HOPKINS. ALSO WITH ME IS DAVE MENKO. AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, WE RECEIVED SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING. WE DID UPDATE THE DIS JOSH PROVIDED US WITH COPIES OF THOSE COMMENTS ALONG WITH A COMMENT SUMMARY SHEET. AND WHAT WE'RE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THIS EVENING IS THAT YOU ISSUE THE FIS BASICALLY DETERMINE AS COMPLETE, WHICH WILL THEN TRIGGER THE NEED TO PUBLISH A NOTICE. AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THE ISSUANCE OF A FINDING STATEMENT, WHICH IS PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT STEP IN THIS ENTIRE LENGTHY, COORDINATED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS. OKAY, I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD. IF BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'LL KNOW THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO US AT A LATE HOUR THIS AFTERNOON, AND THE BOARD HAS NOT HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT. MY SUGGESTION IS TO TABLE THIS FOR SEPTEMBER 2ND AND GIVE ALLOWING

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THE APPLICANT TO ATTACH THE ENGINEERING MEMO AS AN APPENDIX ALONG TO UPDATE THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY TO UPDATE THE FAIS. AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, WE WOULD HAVE ONE COHESIVE DOCUMENT TO PUT THROUGH AND ACCEPT AND MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. I'LL I'LL ADD IS THAT I SHARED THE COMMENTS. SO THERE WERE FOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT SEAN AND G. P I DIDN'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT WE PUT INTO A TABLE AND SHARED IT WITH THEM. THEY RESPONDED TO THOSE COMMENTS, PUT RESPONSES IN A FULL FAIS. NOW THAT FULL FEIS WAS SHARED WITH YOU TODAY, BUT THEY HAD RESPONDED TO THOSE COMMENTS. AND THEN YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT CAMI AND G. D OBVIOUSLY PUT TOGETHER A MEMO, WHICH I JUST RECENTLY SHARED WITH THE APPLICANT. THAT MEMO I THINK CAN BE ATTACHED AS AN APPENDIX. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD ON IF YOU FEEL LIKE THE FEIS HAS BEEN COMPLETE AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ANSWERED, THEN YOU CAN ISSUE IT AS COMPLETE TONIGHT. OR IF THERE'S ENOUGH BOARD MEMBERS THAT STILL THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING TO ADDRESS, THEN YOU CAN TECHNICALLY TABLE IT TO THE SECOND. BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S COMPLETE, THEN YOU CAN ISSUE IT AS COMPLETE TONIGHT.

AND IF I COULD JUST CHIME IN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. SO DURING THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, JOSH MENTIONED THAT SOMEONE IN HIS OFFICE HAD PREPARED A SUMMARY OF COMMENTS.

I THEN ASKED HIM TO PROVIDE THAT TO US, AND IT TURNS OUT A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF EMAILS FROM OCTOBER 4TH OF 2024. WE HAD NEVER SEEN. THEY HAD NEVER BEEN PROVIDED TO US PREVIOUSLY. AND I'M NOT BLAMING JOSH. THEY WERE ACTUALLY WERE NOT RECEIVED BY JOSH. SO WE DID UPDATE. THEY WERE MINOR IN NATURE, NOTHING OF ANY SUBSTANCE. SO THE CHANGES TO THE FIS ARE NOT OUR FAULT. AND I THINK THE DOCUMENT CLEARLY IS COMPLETE AT THIS POINT. WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYBODY'S FAULT. IT'S JUST THAT WE GOT THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SENT US THIS AFTERNOON, AND THE BOARD HAS NOT HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT. AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE BOARD. SO NO, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT, YOU KNOW, I GOT A WHOLE BOARD HERE TO DEAL WITH. SO, YOU KNOW, IN ALL FAIRNESS, BECAUSE WE GOT IT AT THE LATE HOUR, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO JUST SAY, HEY, LET'S EVERYBODY LOOK AT IT, MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, IT WILL BE COMPLETE. THE APPENDIX WILL BE ADDED. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, WE WILL HAVE THAT TIME TO DO THAT. IS IS THERE ANYBODY AT THE TABLE THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT? HAS ANYBODY HAD TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT CAME IN THIS AFTERNOON? I DIDN'T I DIDN'T EVEN SEE IT. RIGHT. YEAH. SO HERE THERE YOU GO. SO ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT TO MY SUGGESTION BOARD MEMBERS. YES, YES. BILL'S GOT A LOOK ON HIS FACE. I MEAN, I'M THE ONE THAT'S BEEN DEALING WITH THIS THE LONGEST. DON'T FORGET TO USE YOUR MIC. AREN'T YOU GLAD I'M BACK BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION. I JUST I'VE FELT THAT THE FEIS IS COMPLETE. THAT'S THAT'S MY OPINION. BUT I'VE ALSO BEEN DEALING WITH IT A LOT LONGER THAN ANYBODY ELSE HERE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR ME TO CATCH UP ON CHANGES, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU HAVE A HUNDRED YEARS EXPERIENCE AT THIS ONE, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. IT FEELS LIKE IT. I KNOW EXACTLY. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I HAVE A BOARD TO DEAL WITH AND I DON'T WANT TO I JUST THINK IT'S FAIR. AND THEN ON THE SECOND WE CAN ACCEPT IT AND PUT IT THROUGH, THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL OFFER IS THAT. SO THE THE CHANGES FROM THE FEIS FROM WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ON AUGUST 5TH TO NOW, WHERE THERE WERE FOUR COMMENTS THAT WEREN'T A PART OF A TABLE THAT NO ONE HAD SEEN UNTIL WE WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE TABLE. IF THE BOARD FEELS THAT SEAN TALKING TO THOSE COMMENTS SUFFICES AS THE FES IS BEING COMPLETE, THEN YOU CAN HAVE THAT OPTION OF LETTING HIM DO THAT. IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT TO SEPTEMBER 2ND, YOU CAN. BUT THE CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME TO NOW ARE FOR COMMENTS THAT I THINK HE CAN SPEAK TO. IF YOU WANT TO LET HIM SPEAK TO IT, YOU CAN. IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT, YOU HAVE THAT OPTION AS WELL. AND THEY'RE NOT NONE OF THEM ARE NEW COMMENTS. THEY'RE ALL CATEGORIES THAT WERE ALREADY ADDRESSED. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW. AND IN FACT, I THINK IF I WOULD HAVE JUST CHOSEN NOT TO EVEN RESPOND TO THEM, NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE DIFFERENCE. I'M JUST I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST, IF IT IS THIS MINIMAL OF A CHANGE, TO REVIEW WHAT THE CHANGE WAS WITH THE COMMENTS LIKE YOU JUST SUGGESTED. I'M NOT SAYING REVIEW AS IN WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 2ND. I'M SAYING TO REVIEW RIGHT NOW. OH SURE.