Sep 28, 2026 9-28-2026 TB Meeting

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EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE APPRECIATE IT. AT TIMES, THE TOWN BOARD IS DEALING WITH SITUATIONS AS THEY ARISE THAT WARRANTED AN EXTENDED TIME IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR PATIENCE AND WAITING

[1. Roll Call]

[3. Minutes of Previous Meeting]

[4.1. Order Calling Public Hearing: Establishment of Drainage and Stormwater Management District in the Town of Hamburg]

THE ESTIMATED TOTAL ANNUAL COST OF THE PROPOSED DISTRICT IS $1,621,200, AS LISTED BELOW.

THE REVENUES REQUIRED TO MEET THE ANNUAL COSTS OF THE PROPOSED DISTRICT WOULD BE RECOVERED THROUGH A BENEFIT FEE, WHICH WOULD BE ASSESSED ON AN EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNIT BASIS.

AS MORE FULLY EXPLAINED IN THE AMENDED MAP PLAN AND REPORT. BASED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ADUS AND THE ANTICIPATED TOTAL ANNUAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DISTRICT, INCLUDING CAPITAL NEEDS, THE TOWN IS PROPOSING A FEE OF $64.65 PER EDU. A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSEHOLD WOULD BE ASSESSED AT ONE E DUE ANNUALLY AND THEREFORE THE ANNUAL COST. THE TYPICAL PROPERTY IN THE FIRST YEAR OF THE DISTRICT IS $64.65. THE PROPOSED DISTRICT CONTAINS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND CERTAIN PROPERTIES CATEGORIZED AS MULTIPLE RESIDENCE, APARTMENT OR RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THESE TYPES OF PROPERTIES SHALL BE ASSESSED BASED ON THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS AREA OF THE PARCEL, DIVIDED BY 1000FT■!S. TO DETERMINE AN EQUIVALENT NUMBER OF ADUS. A LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE CATEGORIZED AS MULTIPLE RESIDENCE, APARTMENT, OR RURAL RESIDENTIAL, INCLUDING THE EDU ASSIGNED TO EACH SPECIFIC PROPERTY, IS CONTAINED IN APPENDIX C OF THE AMENDED REPORT. A LIST OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, INCLUDING THE EDU ASSIGNED TO EACH SPECIFIC PROPERTY, IS CONTAINED IN APPENDIX D OF THE AMENDED REPORT. THE AMENDED REPORT DESCRIBES THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, FINANCING AND ESTIMATED ANNUAL COSTS OF THE PROPOSED TOWN DRAINAGE AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION IN THE TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE. IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED

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ENTER AND ENTER THE SAME. IN THE MINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE TOWN BOARD. THIS ORDER SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY. SO MOVED, AND I WOULD ASK THAT. SECOND. AND I WOULD ASK THAT OUR TOWN ENGINEER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. THANK YOU, TOWN BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT, BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE POTENTIAL FORMATION OF A DRAINAGE STORMWATER DISTRICT, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT GOT US HERE AND THE WHY. I JUST TO NOTE, THERE IS NO VOTE TONIGHT ON THIS. THIS IS PURELY THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. SO THIS TOWN HAS BECOME A LITTLE MORE FAMILIAR WITH DISTRICT FORMATION, HAVING GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR OTHER ISSUES WITH THE TOWN. WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS REALLY OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM. DRAINAGE IS AN IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE TO ALL MUNICIPALITIES AND EVERYONE IN THE AREA, AND SOMETIMES, UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS NOT CONSIDERED AS IMPORTANT AS SOME OF OUR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE. NOW, WE KNOW THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN GENERAL IS STRUGGLING THROUGHOUT OUR AREA, THROUGHOUT OUR STATE, THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY. SO WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH THE TOWN IS WE HAVE AN AGING SYSTEM. WE HAVE OLD PIPE IN THE GROUND THAT IS STARTING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS. WE ALSO HAVE CONDUCTED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS SOME DRAINAGE STUDIES TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS AND NEEDS, WHERE WE HAVE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPACTING DRAINAGE FOR OUR ROADS, FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE STATE REGULATIONS THAT ARE COMING DOWN ON US THAT ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE STRINGENT. WE HAVE STORMS THAT ARE COMING IN THAT ARE GETTING MUCH MORE INTENSE AND MUCH MORE SERIOUS. THE NUMBER OF CALLS AND COMPLAINTS RECEIVED BY DEPARTMENTS LIKE ENGINEERING AND HIGHWAY IS INCREASING ALL THE TIME FOR US, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP RESIDENTS WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THEIR NEEDS.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE OUR SYSTEMS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOES HAVE A COST THAT COMES WITH IT. SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IN FORMATION OF A DISTRICT, WE TRY TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY THAT COST AND TRY TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY WHAT THAT FEE IS GOING TO BE. WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS JUST ASK FOR GENERAL BUDGET INCREASES THAT COULD COVER THAT. WE WANT TO DEFINE A CLEAR FEE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH DRAINAGE, CAN ONLY BE USED FOR DRAINAGE, AND ALLOWS US TO TAKE ON SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT THE TOWN HAS FOR DRAINAGE. IN GENERAL, IF ANYONE HAS EXPERIENCED HAVING A PROBLEM ON THEIR ROAD AND HAVING TO WAIT FOR THE TOWN TO FIND FUN, EXCUSE ME, TO FIND FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO DO A SMALL PROJECT, TO DO REPAIRS, TO DO TO ADDRESS SINKHOLES. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ABLE TO DO SOME WORK WITH OUR EXISTING BUDGET, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT LETTING US CATCH UP ON SOME OF THESE ONGOING ISSUES AND SOME OF THE DETERIORATING SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. SO WHAT WE DID OVER THE LAST YEAR, PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR, IS WE STARTED WITH A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE TOWN CURRENTLY DOES. WE TOOK EXISTING BUDGETS AND WE MET, HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH DEPARTMENTS, AND WE PULLED FROM THEIR BUDGET WHAT THEY SPEND ON THEIR TIME RELATED TO DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER. AND WE ASSOCIATED THAT WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET. SO WE PULLED FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS OF WHAT THE TOWN IS CURRENTLY DOING. THEN WE DISCUSSED WHERE WE NEED TO BE. WE LOOKED AT THE PROJECTS, THE DRAINAGE STUDIES, THE NEEDS OF THE TOWN, AND WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING OVER A LONG TERM PLAN SO AS NOT TO DO A BIG IMPACT IN RIGHT FROM THE START, SO THAT THE TOWN CAN START TAKING ON THESE NEEDS. AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO WITH THIS IS WE REALLY WANT TO USE TOWN STAFF AND TOWN EQUIPMENT IN THIS WORK, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT USING OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS HAS AN EXTREMELY HIGH COST AND CAN REALLY BE A STRUGGLE FINANCIALLY FOR THE TOWN. SO WE TOOK THAT BUDGET ANALYSIS, WE PUT OURSELVES ON WHERE WE NEED TO BE, AND WE CAME UP WITH A COST ON WHAT THE TOWN SHOULD BE SPENDING. AS WE START TO MOVE FORWARD. WE THEN ANALYZED ALL DEVELOPED PARCELS WITHIN THE TOWN, AND WE LOOKED AT THEIR HARD SURFACE OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT REALLY CAUSES THAT RUNOFF TO GO INTO OUR SYSTEM. THAT IS THE WATER AND THE SNOWMELT AND THE RAINFALL THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HANDLE IN OUR SYSTEM. AND WE NEED TO DIRECT THE APPROPRIATE AREAS, CONTROL AND THE APPROPRIATE WAY. SO WE ANALYZED ALL OUR PARCELS, AND WE DETERMINED WHAT A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE SYSTEM. AND WE ASSIGNED THEM BASICALLY A SINGLE FEE, A ONE. THEN WE LOOKED AT ALL THOSE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS, ALL YOUR BIG BOX STORES, ALL YOUR PLAZAS, YOUR APARTMENT COMPLEXES, MULTI-RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BE SCALED UP TO THEIR EQUIVALENT SIZE COMPARED TO YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. WE WANT THEM WHO ARE THE LARGE CONTRIBUTORS TO THEN PAY THAT LARGER AMOUNT OF FEE. AND WHAT THIS DOES IN ESTABLISHING A DISTRICT IS IT ALLOWS US ALSO

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WE WANT TO CLEARLY DEFINE THIS IS A DRAINAGE NUMBER. THIS IS FOR DRAINAGE NEEDS. THIS IS GOING TO HANDLE THOSE PROBLEMS WITHIN OUR TOWN. AND THEN BY USING OUR OWN PEOPLE AND USE OUR OWN PEOPLE. AND THEN AND SO THEN WHEN WINTER COMES, THEY'LL BE DOING SNOW PLOWING AND SAVING US MONEY ON OVERTIME. WELL, YES, BUT PER OUR HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT, HE REALLY WANTS TO DEDICATE SOME PEOPLE TO DOING DRAINAGE BECAUSE THEY THAT IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO, BUT IT HAS THAT NEED AND IT REALLY NEEDS TO GET ADDRESSED IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH FLOODING PROBLEMS. WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF CALLS AND EMAILS ABOUT DRAINAGE. I KNOW. ABSOLUTELY, I HAVE A LIST. I KNOW THAT OUR HIGHWAY SUPERINTENDENT HAS A LIST OF THINGS WE WOULD LOVE TO ADDRESS. LOVE TO GET TO REPAIRS. WE WANT TO MAKE REPLACEMENTS WE WANT TO DO, BUT WE NEED THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ARE THERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? DID WE DO A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU.

SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, I THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY, SEEING AS THERE IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE STORMWATER, SEEING AS THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE DISTRICT, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, I. NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NUMBER 15

[4.2. Public Hearing Proposed Local Law 15, 2026]

COPIES OF THE LAW WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK FOR INSPECTION BY ANY PERSON DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS, AND ARE POSTED ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE. I MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, I. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MR. WIDMER, REALLY QUICKLY, ACTUALLY. SORRY. AS YOU MAKE YOUR WAY UP. SORRY. I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY.

PUBLIC HEARING, EVERYONE HAS TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. PLEASE DIRECT COMMENTS TO THE TOWN BOARD. WE DO ASK THAT ALL COMMENTS BE KEPT RESPECTFUL. TOWN MEMBERS GENERALLY DO NOT COMMENT DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND MAY ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS THEY HEAR DURING THEIR REPORTS.

AT THE END OF THE MEETING, I WILL BE SETTING A TIMER, AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, I'M DOING WITMER. GO AHEAD. I FIND IT IRONIC. I PAY MY TAXES AND I GET TWO MINUTES TO ADDRESS YOU GUYS AS SOME SORT OF PITTANCE, BUT WE'LL GET THERE. I'M ALREADY OPPOSED TO RAISING THIS CAP, AND MY QUESTION IS, QUITE SIMPLY THIS WHO RUNS THIS TOWN? I THINK THERE ARE ALREADY THREE STRIKES AGAINST THE TAXPAYERS. STRIKE ONE IS COMMON SENSE. IF I'M UNHAPPY WITH THE SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE TOWN AND I DON'T PAY MY TAXES, WHAT HAPPENS? YOU WILL SEIZE THE PROPERTY AND SELL IT AT AUCTION. IT'S PREDETERMINED. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO THIS BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SOMEONE'S UNHAPPY, THEY DON'T PAY THEIR TAXES, THEIR HOUSE IS SOLD AT AUCTION TO THE NEXT STOOGE THAT WILL GLADLY PAY THAT INCREASE. NUMBER TWO, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS A MATH PROBLEM. 70% OF OUR BUDGET IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN EMPLOYEE BENEFITS AND SALARIES. THAT NUMBER IS INCREASING.

HEALTH INSURANCE WENT UP 30% YEAR OVER YEAR. RETIREMENT HEALTH INSURANCE WENT OVER 18% YEAR OVER YEAR. THOSE NUMBERS ARE INCREASING FASTER THAN THE BUDGET. WHEN THIS HAPPENS, THOSE TWO NUMBERS MEET ABOUT 6 TO 8 YEARS. YOU'LL BE FACING 6 TO 8% TAX INCREASES EVERY YEAR INDEFINITELY FOR EVERY TAXPAYER IN THIS TOWN. NOW, SOME TOWNS DUNKIRK, FREDONIA, JAMESTOWN,

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MR. MEAN. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME AT ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. I'M GOING TO KEEP IT VERY BRIEF. I'M JUST HERE BECAUSE TAXES AND THINGS KEEP GOING UP FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON. I'M ON A FIXED INCOME AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO NOT INCREASE THESE TAXES BECAUSE AND I'M NOT EVEN CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE INCREASES WOULD BE, I SEE IT'S CAPPED AT 2% NOW. IS IT IF IF THIS WERE TO GO THROUGH, WOULD IT BE AN INCREASE OF 1% PER YEAR? I MEAN, HOW IS THE WHAT WOULD THE NEW RATE BE SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST ALL CAUGHT OFF GUARD? I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE DETAILS. I, IF I COULD JUST I THINK I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS BACK GOVERNOR CUOMO PASSED A BILL OR LAW WITH THE 2%. SO IF YOU GO OVER IF IT GOES OVER THE 2%, YOU HAVE TO THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON GOING OVER THE 2%. SO IF WHAT I READ IN THE SUN AND I DON'T KNOW THE ACCURACY OF IT, BUT IT GAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT IN THE SUN THIS IS ALMOST A DONE DEAL, THAT THE TOWN OF HAMMER CANNOT CONTINUE TO AFFORD TO CONDUCT SERVICES WITHOUT A INCREASE IN TAX REVENUE. IS THAT IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR FOR YOUR COMMENT. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL TAKE IT ALL IN. AND. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION BECAUSE JUST BECOMING HARDER AND HARDER IN NEW YORK STATE TO CONTINUE AS A FIXED INCOME TO, TO BASICALLY MAKE ENDS MEET. AND, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, BUT IT DOES GIVE PAUSE TO THINK ABOUT ARE THERE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE FROM A FIXED INCOME PERSPECTIVE? I KNOW SOME FAMILY MEMBERS ARE CONSIDERING MOVING OUT OF STATE. JUST BECAUSE NEW YORK STATE CONTINUES TO BE VERY, VERY HIGH TAX STATE. AND NOW HAMBURG IS FALLING INTO THAT SAME PRECIPICE. I'M SORRY. THAT'S TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MR. MEAD. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE? OH, WHY DON'T YOU COME FORWARD? OH, PERFECT. JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS IS REGARDING THE TAX LEVY, CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. TAX CAP NUMBERS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. ALL. HI. FIRST TIME DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS? I'M RETIRED. LIKE THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME. FIXED INCOME. HARDER AND HARDER TO MAKE ENDS MEET. I WORKED RIGHT OVER HERE AT TOPS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. I WORKED UP IN THE CITY AND TRANSFERRED WORKED OUT HERE WITH THE IDEA THAT WHEN I RETIRED, WHICH I'M RETIRED NOW, I COULD LIVE WHERE I GREW UP, RIGHT HERE IN HAMBURG, BUT I LIVE IN THE VILLAGE, SO I'M DOUBLE TAXED. I'M HAPPY TO PAY THE VILLAGE TAXES BECAUSE I GET A LOT OF SERVICE FROM MY TAXES. THEY PLOW THE STREETS. THOSE GUYS, THEY COLLECT TRASH. THEY CLEAR BRANCHES WHEN THEY FALL ON THE STREET AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS. I GET NOTHING FROM THE TOWN. THERE'S THEIR TRUCKS IN THE WINTER DRIVE DOWN

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CAN WE FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO PROVIDE THE SALT? DO WE SHOP AROUND FOR THE BEST DEAL OUT THERE, LIKE I DO AT MY HOUSE? WHEN I'M GETTING WORK DONE? THERE'S ONLY ONE. THERE'S ONLY ONE SUPPLIER. I WAS AFRAID THAT WOULD BE THE ANSWER TO THAT. I THINK SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YOU SEE MY POINT? YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY WE'RE ALL HAVING TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS THESE DAYS. ISN'T THERE SOME WAY, WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON IN THE TOWN, THAT YOU CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN WITHOUT HAVING TO RAISE TAXES ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING HERE? I THINK IF WE WERE ALL DOING BETTER, WE'D BE LIKE, FINE, IT'S A NICE PLACE TO LIVE. WE'LL PAY FOR IT. BUT THE WAY THINGS ARE IN THE ECONOMY, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK AS THOUGH IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT ANY BETTER IN THE NEAR FUTURE, IT'S JUST GOING TO KEEP BEING WORSE AND WORSE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. I KNOW I WORKED IN A GROCERY STORE, I SEE THOSE PRICES. I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I JUST PRESENTING MY SIDE OF IT. I JUST THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS AND LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS, JUST LIKE I HAVE TO. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CONNORS. WELCOME. YES. MY NAME IS JOHN YOUNG. I'M RETIRED AND I'M TOTALLY AGAINST ANY TAX. ANY TAX AT ALL. I GUESS I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A SPECIFIC SESSION JUST FOR THIS TOPIC, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER TOPIC IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS. AND I'M GOING TO ASK NOW THAT WE SET ANOTHER MEETING, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED. SO WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NEED TO RAISE THE TAXES AT ALL. YOU KNOW, I YOU HAVE A BUCKET OF CASH. YOU GOT TO HAVE MONEY COMING IN, YOU GOTTA HAVE MONEY GOING OUT. THAT HAS TO BE CONTROLLED AT BOTH ENDS. AND WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT THE EXPENSES ARE. AND THIS YEAR THEY'RE GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.

I REALIZE THAT BUT GOOD GOOD POINT WITH THE SALT IS THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS WITH THE SALT.

WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE JUMP INTO RAISING TAXES. SUPERVISOR YOU MENTIONED IN THE HAMBURG SEND. THERE ARE OTHER REASONS WHY WE NEED TO RAISE THE TAXES, BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THOSE REASONS ARE SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE JUST IN THE DARK. SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WHAT IS THE EXPECTED PERCENT INCREASE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? SO, MR. YOUNG, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING SPECIFICALLY ON THE THE BUDGET ON OCTOBER 19TH. SO OCTOBER 19TH AT 6:00 WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY. THEY'LL BE PRESENTATIONS AND A LOT MORE INFORMATION GIVEN AT THAT TIME.

TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING IS HEARING IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO GO OVER THE TAX CAP. AND AGAIN, I HAD INDICATED BEFORE, I CAN GIVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION IN MY BOARD REPORT AT THE END. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, AS WAS EXPLAINED LAST YEAR DURING THE CREATION OF THE GARBAGE DISTRICT, A LOT OF WHAT NECESSITATES IT THIS YEAR IS BECAUSE OF THE CREATION MIDWAY THROUGH THE YEAR, LAST YEAR OF THE GARBAGE DISTRICT, AND THEN SOME OTHER FACTORS. MY BUDGET IS DUE ON WEDNESDAY TO THE TOWN CLERK, AND THEN THE TOWN CLERK WILL DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE TOWN BOARD AGAIN. WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER. WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 19TH FOR THAT BUDGET. I CAN TELL YOU THAT CURRENTLY IT'S THE INCREASE IS LESS THAN 3% AND I'M STILL WORKING ON FINDING CUTS. WE'RE WORKING EVERY DAY TO LOOK TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO BUSINESS DIFFERENTLY. I'VE BEEN REPEATEDLY MEETING WITH OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE MESSAGE THAT YOU JUST GAVE, WAS EXACTLY THE MESSAGE THAT, YOU KNOW IS PART OF MY DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETINGS. HOW CAN WE DO BUSINESS DIFFERENTLY? BUT WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION SPECIFICALLY ON THAT BUDGET OVER THE NEXT MONTH. AND THERE WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BUDGET, SPECIFICALLY OCTOBER 19TH, 6:00.

WE WILL ALSO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ALL THE FIRE COMPANIES THAT NIGHT ALSO. OKAY.

I APPRECIATE I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER AND I AGREE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOT TO BE WAYS. AND IF

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TONIGHT THERE'S A VOTE ON THE TAX CAP WHICH IS PART OF, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT I WAS GIVING THE EXAMPLE ABOUT THE GARBAGE DISTRICT THAT WAS ALREADY CREATED, THE THE TAX RATE FOR NEXT YEAR, THAT BUDGET, THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS ON OCTOBER 19TH. AND THEN THE VOTE FOR THAT WILL BE AT THE NOVEMBER 16TH MEETING. THE VOTE ON THE ACTUAL 2027 TOWN BUDGET. OKAY.

I DISAGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A VOTE ON THE TAX CAP TONIGHT. IT'S WAY TOO SOON. THE THE AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY REASON FOR IT. WELL, PART OF IT IS THE CREATION LAST YEAR OF THE OF THE GARBAGE DISTRICT. IT ALREADY PUTS US OVER THE TAX CAP FOR THIS YEAR. BUT WE WENT OVER THE TAX CAP LAST YEAR. RIGHT. BUT THE TAX THE TAX CAP IS THE MONEY THAT WE TAKE IN IN TURN GETS PAID TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE OF THE OF THE GARBAGE, THE GARBAGE DISTRICT. BUT THEY UNFORTUNATELY WE STILL HAVE TO COUNT THAT TOWARDS OUR IT. WE HAVE TO COUNT IT TOWARDS OUR TAXES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING IT'S PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE GETTING.

OKAY, I DISAGREE, WE SHOULD NOT VOTE, HAVE A VOTE ON THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT. AND I'M GOING TO VOTE NO. OKAY. WELL, SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION THAT CITIZENS HAVE WITH TAX INCREASES. IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PEOPLE LEAVE NEW YORK. I HAVE FRIENDS, RELATIVES, FAMILY MEMBERS. SO MANY PEOPLE LEAVE NEW YORK STATE BECAUSE OF HIGH TAXES. AND WHEN I THINK OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I THINK ABOUT WHEN I PRACTICE LAW DOWNTOWN, THAT I WALK ACROSS MY OFFICE, WHICH IS ON 135 DELAWARE AVENUE IN THE CITY OF BUFFALO. I WALK ACROSS NIAGARA SQUARE AND I SEE MCKINLEY MONUMENT, ANOTHER MONUMENT DOWNTOWN BUFFALO. AND WHEN WILLIAM MCKINLEY WAS SHOT IN 1901 IN THE CITY OF BUFFALO, THERE WERE NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES IN THE UNITED STATES. THINK ABOUT THAT. NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. SO AS FAR AS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG GOES, SO THE RECORD IS CLEAR. AND I RESPECT MY COLLEAGUES AND THEY RESPECT ME, HOPEFULLY. BUT ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, THERE WAS A RESOLUTION PUT FORTH TO HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THESE TAXES, AND I VOTED NO. AND THE REASON FRANK BUJALSKI VOTED NO IS BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER NO UNIVERSE WILL I VOTE TO INCREASE TAXES. SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT. WE HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE, AND WE HAVE TO FIND MORE FISCALLY PRUDENT WAYS TO DO BUSINESS. I COMMEND THE SUPERVISOR. SHE'S BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO TRY TO GET THIS BUDGET DOWN TO THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE. WITH PROPOSED INCREASE LESS THAN 3%, BUT I, I WILL NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT. THAT'S WHY IN SEPTEMBER 14TH, I VOTED AGAINST IT. AND I WOULD JUST ASK MY COLLEAGUES THAT TODAY, WHEN IT COMES UP LATER IN THE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE A TAX OR AUTHORIZE THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TO GO ABOVE THAT STATUTORY TAX CAP THAT MY COLLEAGUES VOTE NO. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. BUT I HEAR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY. PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT COSTS GOING UP, COSTS GOING UP FOR EVERYONE. BUT TAXES? NO, I THINK WE HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KEEP LEAVING, YOU KNOW, AND NEW YORK IS MORE REGULATIONS, MORE RULES, YOU KNOW, BOATING LICENSES AND ALL THESE THINGS. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO ONE THING. IT'S MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL AND AND MORE TAX REVENUE SO THEY CAN CONTROL OUR LIVES. AND SOMEONE'S GOT TO STAND THE LINE. AND I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANY TAX INCREASES EVER. WE HAD WE HAD A RESOLUTION AND

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AND I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU BECAUSE I THINK YOU ALL HAD GOOD THINGS TO SAY. BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. THAT'S OUR THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. WE'RE HERE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR COMING. WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, I, I. TOWN OF HAMBURG SUPPORTING THE EXPANSION OF WORLD TRADE CENTER

[4.3. The Town of Hamburg Supporting the Expansion of World Trade Center Health Program Coverage to Include Early-Onset Dementia and Related Cognitive Conditions]

WHEREAS, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RECOGNIZES THE EXTRAORDINARY SACRIFICES MADE BY FIRST RESPONDERS, RECOVERY WORKERS, VOLUNTEERS AND SURVIVORS WHO ANSWERED THE CALL TO SERVE DURING ONE OF THE DARKEST DAYS IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY. WHEREAS, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG BELIEVES THAT THOSE WHO RISKED THEIR LIVES IN SERVICE TO OTHERS DESERVE ACCESS TO COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH CARE, MONITORING, TREATMENT AND SUPPORT FOR ANY CONDITIONS DETERMINED TO BE LINKED TO THEIR SERVICE AND EXPOSURE. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG RESPECTFULLY, RESPECTFULLY URGES THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER HEALTH PROGRAM TO REVIEW THE LATEST SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL EVIDENCE REGARDING REGARDING EARLY ONSET DEMENTIA, ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE, COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT AND OTHER NEUROLOGICAL DISORDERS AFFECTED, AFFECTING ELIGIBLE RESPONDERS AND SURVIVORS. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG SUPPORTS THE EVALUATION AND INCLUSION OF MEDICALLY SUPPORTED NEUROLOGICAL AND COGNITIVE CONDITIONS, INCLUDING EARLY ONSET DEMENTIA, WITHIN THE SCOPE OF ILLNESS COVERED BY THE WORLD TRADE CENTER HEALTH PROGRAM. WHEN WARRANTED THROUGH THE ESTABLISHED FEDERAL SCIENTIFIC REVIEW PROCESS. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG CALLS UPON FEDERAL OFFICIALS TO ENSURE THAT ELIGIBLE FIRST RESPONDERS, RECOVERY WORKERS, VOLUNTEERS, SURVIVORS AND THEIR FAMILIES RECEIVE ACCESS TO APPROPRIATE SCREENING, TREATMENT, LONG TERM CARE RESOURCES AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES RELATED TO SUCH CONDITIONS. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG EXPRESSES ITS DEEPEST GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION TO THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO RISKED THEIR LIVES TO SAVE OTHERS, AND WHOSE SACRIFICES CONTINUE TO IMPACT THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES DECADES LATER. FINALLY, BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED, THE COPIES OF THIS RESOLUTION BE TRANSMITTED TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, THE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES REPRESENTING NEW YORK AND OTHER APPROPRIATE FEDERAL OFFICIALS FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AND ACTION.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO THE REST OF THIS MEETING THAT THE CLERK SUMMARIZED THE RESOLUTIONS. THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC DOMAIN, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO READ EVERY WORD UNLESS SHE'S DOING IT WITH THE NEXT WITH THAT 1/25 ANNIVERSARY. I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF OKAY. GO AHEAD. TOWN. THE TOWN BOARD

[4.4. Town Board Authorizes Preservation Studios to submit the completed Hamburg Lakeshore Reconnaissance Historic Survey to the New York State Historic Preservation Office]

[Item 4.5 - Item 4.15]

[4.16. Moratorium on Large-Scale Data Centers]

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SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. ALL RIGHT. LAKESHORE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, NEW MEMBER. BE IT

[4.17. Lake Shore Volunteer Fire Company, Inc. New Member-Lawrence]

[4.18. LiveBarn Services at Hamburg Town Ice Arena]

[4.19. Nike Concession and Bathroom Plumbing Connections]

[Item 4.20 & Item 4.21]

[4.22. Board of Assessment Review Reappointment- Wielinski]

[4.23. SEQRA Resolution – TOWN of Hamburg Ambulance District]

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZES THE TOWN SUPERVISOR TO SIGN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, WHICH WILL ACT AS A SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND AUTHORIZES THE PLACEMENT OF THESE DOCUMENTS IN THE TOWN'S FILES. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN

[4.24. Establishing the Town of Hamburg Ambulance District]

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UNDER THE FOLLOWING SCENARIOS AS LISTED. WHEREAS, PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 12 A OF THE TOWN LAW, THE VILLAGES MAY BE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED DISTRICT ON CONSENT OF EACH VILLAGE EXPRESSED IN A LOCAL LAW, ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION SUBJECT TO A REFERENDUM ON PETITION UNDER SECTION 24 OF THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE LAW OR A PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM UNDER ARTICLE FIVE A OF THE VILLAGE LAW, AS THE CASE MAY BE. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE TOWN BOARD AS FOLLOWS. SECTION ONE. IT IS HEREBY DETERMINED THE ORDER CALLING PUBLIC HEARING WAS PUBLISHED AND POSTED AS REQUIRED BY LAW AND IS OTHERWISE SUFFICIENT.

ALL OF THE PROPERTY AND PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PROPOSED DISTRICT UNDER EACH PROPOSED SCENARIO ARE BENEFITED, THEREBY, ALL OF THE PROPERTY AND PROPERTY OWNERS BENEFITED ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE PROPOSED DISTRICT UNDER EACH PROPOSED SCENARIO. IT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO ESTABLISH THE DISTRICT. SECTION TWO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT, AS DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT AND ORDER HAS. THE BOUNDARIES SHALL BE FINALLY DETERMINED IS HEREBY APPROVED. SECTION THREE DISTRICT SHALL BE DESIGNATED AND KNOWN AS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG AMBULANCE DISTRICT. SECTION FOUR. THIS RESOLUTION SHALL BE SUBJECT TO A PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM IN THE MANNER PROVIDED IN ARTICLE SEVEN OF THE TOWN LAW. SO MOVED.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. RESOLUTION 25 HAS BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA. 26 WATER

[4.26. Waterkeeper Foster Brook Monitoring]

[4.27. Traffic Safety Advisory Board-Stop Signs]

[4.28. Senior & Community Center Change Orders]

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OKAY. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION AS AMENDED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? I. CHAPTER 265 AMENDMENT SEEKER AND ADOPTION RESOLUTION.

[4.29. Chapter 265 Amendments SEQR and Adoption Resolution]

WHEREAS A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON SEPTEMBER 14TH OF 2026. FOR DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING ADOPTION OF THIS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW. WHEREAS, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS PROPOSED LOCAL LAW AMENDMENT IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER AND NO FURTHER SEEKER REVIEW IS NECESSARY. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THE HAMBURG TOWN BOARD AMENDS LOCAL LAW NUMBER TWO OF THE YEAR 1964 OF THE CODE OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG.

CHAPTER 265, ENTITLED VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC TO PROVIDE FOR THE REVISIONS OF THE TOWN CODE AS REFERENCED ABOVE AND ATTACHED. SO MOVED. I JUST WANT IS THIS ALL THE SPEED, LIKE THE THE FORM THAT WE GOT FROM LAKE MCKINLEY PARKWAY AND THIS AND THAT? OR IS THIS JUST ONE STREET IN PARTICULAR? MISTER GIACOMINI, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? IS THIS FOR ALL THE STREETS THAT THE LISTENERS THAT WE HAD THAT WAS PUT FORWARD? I DO BELIEVE IT'S JUST THIS ONE'S JUST NOT PLEASANT. OKAY. THIS IS SPECIFIC. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I RECALL. ALL IN FAVOR.

[4.30. Resolution to adopt tax levy override]

SECTION ONE LEGISLATIVE INTENT IS THE INTENT OF THIS LOCAL LAW TO OVERRIDE THE LIMIT OF THE AMOUNT OF REAL PROPERTY TAXES THAT MAY BE LEVIED BY THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PURSUANT TO GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW, SECTION THREE C, AND TO ALLOW THE TOWN OF HAMBURG TO ADOPT A BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 THAT REQUIRES A REAL PROPERTY TAX LEVY IN EXCESS OF THE TAX LEVY LIMIT, AS DEFINED BY GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW. SECTION THREE C SECTION TWO AUTHORITY. THE LOCAL LAWS ADOPTED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION FIVE OF THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW. SECTION THREE C, WHICH EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZES A LOCAL GOVERNMENTS GOVERNING BODY TO OVERRIDE THE PROPERTY TAX CAP FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR BY THE ADOPTION OF THE LOCAL LAW APPROVED BY A VOTE OF NO LESS THAN 60% OF SAID GOVERNING BODY. SECTION THREE TAX LEVY LIMIT OVERRIDE THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG, COUNTY OF ERIE IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED TO ADOPT A BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 THAT REQUIRES A REAL PROPERTY TAX LEVY IN EXCESS OF THE AMOUNT OTHERWISE PRESCRIBED IN GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW. SECTION THREE C SECTION FOUR SEVERABILITY IF A COURT DETERMINES THAT ANY CLAUSE, SENTENCE, PARAGRAPH, SUBDIVISION OR PART OF THIS LOCAL LAW OR THE APPLICATION THEREOF TO ANY PERSON, FIRM, CORPORATION OR CIRCUMSTANCE IS INVALID OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THE COURT'S ORDER OR JUDGMENT SHALL NOT AFFECT, IMPAIR OR INVALIDATE THE REMAINDER OF THIS LOCAL LAW, BUT SHALL BE CONFINED IN ITS OPERATION TO THE CLAUSE, SENTENCE, PARAGRAPH, SUBDIVISION OR PART OF THIS LOCAL LAW OR IN ITS APPLICATION TO THE PERSON, INDIVIDUAL, FIRM OR CORPORATION OR CIRCUMSTANCE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE CONTROVERSY IN WHICH SUCH JUDGMENT OR ORDER SHALL BE RENDERED. SECTION FIVE EFFECTIVE DATE THIS LOCAL LAW SHALL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY

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WE'RE JUST ON A SECOND. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. WHY NOT? OKAY. YES. I THINK THAT THERE'S WE WILL IN A MOMENT, TAKE A VOTE THAT WE CAN TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT WEEK. A COUPLE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS I THINK, AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO, YOU KNOW, CONTACT WHO THEY NEED TO CONTACT DURING THE WEEK IN TERMS OF DEPARTMENT HEADS OR FINANCE DIRECTOR TO GAIN THIS INFORMATION. AS I ALLUDED TO BEFORE, WHEN WE APPROVED THE GARBAGE DISTRICT LAST YEAR, THAT RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE TOWN BECAUSE IT STARTED PARTWAY THROUGH LAST YEAR. PART OF THAT WENT AGAINST LAST YEAR'S TAX TAX LEVY. AND THEN PART OF IT IS GOING AGAINST THIS YEAR'S TAX LEVY, WHICH IS WHAT IS RESULTING IN US, YOU KNOW, TAKING TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, BUT COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF WAITING A WEEK CONSIDERING IT. NO PROBLEM. I SHARE EVERYONE'S CONCERNS AND EVERY COMMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE HERE, THE SITUATION THAT I WAS HANDED AND THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF IN THE BUDGET, IS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE. AND WE HAD OUR INTERNAL AUDITORS GIVING A PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD IN OUR WORK SESSION THIS EVENING. WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD LOOKING AT ALL OF THE FACTORS THAT IMPACT THE BUDGET.

AS COUNCIL MEMBER DIXON JUST SPOKE ABOUT, THERE HAD BEEN A RELIANCE ON FUND BALANCE, AND IT WAS ONE OF MY MAIN GOALS WITH THIS BUDGET TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LESSEN OR COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THAT RELIANCE ON FUND BALANCE, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SET THE TOWN UP IN THE FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT OCCUR, WHETHER IT BE A RISE IN SALT OR UTILITIES, BECAUSE THE TOWN IS DEALING WITH ALL OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT A RESIDENT IS DEALING WITH.

SO WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, I TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. I KNOW THAT THIS BOARD TAKES IT VERY SERIOUSLY, AND IT IS A BALANCING ACT. IT'S SITTING DOWN AND WORKING WITH OUR EMPLOYEES, OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS. AS WAS SAID, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR IDEAS ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE TO HOW HOW WE CAN BRING DOWN COSTS, HOW WE CAN INCREASE REVENUE. ANOTHER SITUATION WE HAD IS THERE WAS SOME REVENUE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS, TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO THAT WAS OVERESTIMATED, WHICH THEN RESULTED IN A NEED FOR MORE FUND BALANCE. IT WAS NOT A CLEAR PICTURE. SO THIS BOARD IS TRYING TO TAKE A VERY CLEAR, REAL PICTURE AT WHERE WE

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BUT WHAT IT ALSO DOES IS ELIMINATE AN ALMOST EVERY CATEGORY. OUR PREVIOUS RELIANCE ON FUND BALANCE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE GENERAL FUND, FOR EXAMPLE, I TOOK IT DOWN TO ZERO.

THIS WILL DEFINITELY POSITION THIS TOWN AND HELP US FOR THE FUTURE. IT WOULD BE EASY FOR THIS BOARD EVEN TO COME IN WITH A 0% INCREASE, BUT WE WOULD BE RELYING ON FUND BALANCE AGAIN, WHICH IS A SHORT TERM SOLUTION, BUT IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THE TOWN.

IT'S GOING TO BE A MULTI-YEAR PLAN. IT'S GOING TO MEAN PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER THROUGHOUT EVERY YEAR TO THINK ABOUT THE REVENUE, TO THINK ABOUT THE FUND BALANCE, TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY, TO BE MORE CREATIVE WITH THE AND LEVERAGE BETTER THE TAX DOLLARS THAT WE DO COLLECT. THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S NOT ONLY WHAT YOU THE TAX DOLLARS WE COLLECT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRODUCT WE'RE PROVIDING IS TOP NOTCH SO THAT WITH THE TAXES THAT ARE PAID, WE'RE GETTING GOOD SERVICES, ESSENTIAL SERVICES. GETTING BACK TO BASICS, WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT ALL OF OUR ASSETS IN THE TOWN. I'VE ALREADY STARTED TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE POTENTIALLY NEED TO SELL. POSSIBLY. I MEAN, THIS IS THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY THAT'S NOT BEING LOOKED AT FOR THE FUTURE AND BEING DONE. NOW WE'RE SELLING THE THE WHITE BUILDING OUT IN FRONT OF THIS BUILDING. THERE MAY BE OTHER TOWN PROPERTIES THAT WE LOOK AT SELLING. WE WILL LOOK AT EVERYTHING POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE DO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES THAT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY ARE FACED WITH. THEY'RE SIMILAR TO OURS. SO WE WILL PUT THIS OFF. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT THIS OFF AND I'LL FINISH FIRST. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO PUT THIS VOTE OFF UNTIL NEXT WEEK. WE'LL SEE IF IT GETS A SECOND. AND IF EVERYONE VOTES TO DO THAT. AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS MOTION ON THE TABLE THAT WAS SECONDED NOT TO POSTPONE THIS TILL NEXT WEEK. YES, IT WAS OKAY. LET'S JUST DO IT THAT WAY. WE'LL DO IT AGAIN. I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION. I THOUGHT THAT MR. ORTIZ MADE THE MOTION AND MISS DIXON SECONDED IT. I THINK WE MADE THAT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS TOPIC, BUT THAT'S FINE EITHER WAY. REGARDLESS.

WELL, REGARDLESS IF IF I CAN HAVE ONE MORE MOMENT TO SPEAK WITH AGAIN, SOME OF THE IMPORTANT FACTS TO REMEMBER WITH THE TAX OR THE GARBAGE DISTRICT THAT WAS ALREADY PUT INTO PLACE, THAT ALREADY IN AND OF ITSELF WILL PUT US OVER THIS, THIS TAX LEVY, THINGS LIKE THE NEXT RESOLUTION EVEN BEING CONSIDERED THE, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE EXPENSES TRYING TO REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE. THERE'S A LOT FOR THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER. I WELCOME THAT OPPORTUNITY OVER THE NEXT WEEK FOR THEM TO DO THAT. AND I WILL HAVE MY BUDGET TO THE TOWN CLERK BY WEDNESDAY AND WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE THE WAY IN WHICH WE'RE UTILIZING THE TAX DOLLARS COLLECTED. SO SEEING AS THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE QUESTION, I DID TALK EARLIER, BUT I HAVEN'T TALKED ON THIS. I'VE LISTENED TO MY COLLEAGUES.

I AM SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO EXTEND OR TO VOTE ON THIS NEXT WEEK, I GUESS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IT'LL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE NO NEXT WEEK. I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST RAISING THE TAX CAP. I DO WANT TO APPLAUD OUR SUPERVISOR. WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION, MANY CONVERSATIONS ON THIS ISSUE. WE SPOKE AS RECENTLY AS TODAY AND FRIDAY. SHE'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AT LOOKING AT I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE OVERPAY FOR THAT ARE RIDICULOUS TO ME, LIKE COPIERS, LIKE WE'VE GOT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE 20 COPIERS OR SOMETHING. AND WE PAY THESE EXORBITANT RATES LIKE, AND WE'RE CONSOLIDATING THAT. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF, OF COST SAVINGS THAT THE SUPERVISOR HAS BEEN DOING A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB AT LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE AND ALSO TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THINGS BETTER. BUT I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, MY, MY OPINION AND IT COULD BE RIGHT. I COULD BE WRONG IS THERE'LL BE A WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT RAISING ANY TAXES. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A TAX INCREASE. I THINK IT WAS. MR. WHITMORE COMMENTED EARLIER ABOUT LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM. OUR AUDITORS TOLD US THAT TODAY IN OUR MEETING, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING UP IN THE LONG TERM, AS YOU POINTED OUT. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING. AND THEY HAD SUGGESTED THAT WE DO BUDGETING NOT JUST EVERY YEAR, BUT OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A COMMITMENT ON

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AND I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, I'VE NEVER VOTED FOR A TAX INCREASE, AND I WON'T. AND I'D ASK MY COLLEAGUES NEXT WEEK, WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE US, TO VOTE NO TO ANY INCREASE, BUT I'M COMMITTING TO VOTING NO RIGHT NOW. COUNCILMEMBER COMBS YEAH, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE FUND BALANCE. I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT THAT AFFECTS OUR BOND RATING WHEN WE GO OUT FOR LOANS AND STUFF. IF WE HAVE A VERY POOR, YOU KNOW, FUND BALANCE WHEN WE GO TO, YOU KNOW, GET A LOAN, WE'RE GOING TO GET LIKE KNOCKED DOWN TO A B RATING OR C RATING OR SOMETHING. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE FUND BALANCE SOLID AND HEALTHY. OKAY. SO SEEING AS THERE IS A MOTION AND A PROPER SECOND TO TABLE THIS RESOLUTION UNTIL THE TEN FIVE MEETING. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE AYE I. IMPLEMENTATION OF SECTION 458 A

[4.31. Implementation of RPTL §458-a(11), As Amended 100% Total and Permanent Disabled Veterans Exemption]

OKAY. I'M SORRY. IT WAS JUST THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. IMPLEMENTATION OF SECTION 458 A 11 AS AMENDED, 100% TOTAL AND PERMANENT DISABLED VETERANS EXEMPTION. WHEREAS A NEW YORK REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW, SECTION 458 A 11, AS AMENDED, AUTHORIZES A REAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OF AN ELIGIBLE VETERAN WHO IS CONSIDERED 100% TOTAL AND PERMANENTLY DISABLED AS A RESULT OF MILITARY SERVICE. AND WHEREAS, THE TOWN OF HAMBURG WISHES TO CONTINUE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND SUPPORT DISABLED VETERANS BY PROVIDING THIS EXEMPTION AND AS AUTHORIZED UNDER NEW YORK STATE LAW. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF HAMBURG HEREBY ADOPTS AND IMPLEMENTS THE REAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION AUTHORIZED PURSUANT TO NEW YORK REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW, SECTION 458, A 11, AS AMENDED, FOR ELIGIBLE VETERANS WHO ARE CONSIDERED 100% TOTAL AND PERMANENTLY DISABLED AS A RESULT OF MILITARY SERVICE AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE APPROPRIATE TOWN DEPARTMENTS ARE AUTHORIZED AND DIRECTED TO MAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS TO ADMINISTER THIS EXEMPTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPLICABLE LAW. SO MOVED. SECOND, AND THE QUESTION IS OUR ASSESSOR HERE, MR. KIM HERE. CAN WE HAVE HER COME IN HERE, PLEASE? I KNOW YOU'VE SENT A LOT OF EMAILS ON ON THIS. THIS IS THE VETERANS. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED RIGHT NOW? ABOUT 303. AND WHAT DOES THAT COME? HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? $7 MILLION OF ASSESSED VALUE? OKAY. AND WHAT DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO TAX REVENUES, INTO TAX DOLLARS PER HOUSEHOLD IS ABOUT $20 PER 100,000. WHAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT? I DON'T HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS. OKAY. I'M SORRY. SO ON THIS, DID YOU GIVE AN APPROXIMATE THOUGH? I THINK YOU GAVE US JUST AN APPROXIMATE. SO WE KNOW WHAT THAT 7 MILLION THAT'S THE 7 MILLION IS GOING TO BE THE EXEMPT AMOUNT THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE ROLL. IT'S $19 MILLION OF ASSESSED VALUE FOR THE 100% VETERANS. CURRENTLY SEVEN 7 MILLION IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY OFFER FOR AN EXEMPTION. SO THE REMAINING WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED AMONGST THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS. SO I MEAN I GUESS THAT AND THAT THAT IS WITH THIS SEE I'M A VETERAN MYSELF AND THAT AND MR. KOZUB IS. AND THAT'S AND I SEE THAT THEY'RE VETERANS HERE. BUT THAT'S A DILEMMA WE HAVE AS A

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I, I, I SERVED IN FORT MCCLELLAN. THEY CLOSED THAT PLACE. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST TOXIC PLACES ON THE PLANET BECAUSE THEY HAD THE NUCLEAR, BIOLOGICAL CHEMICAL SCHOOL THERE. SO I, BECAUSE I COULD POTENTIALLY BE A BENEFICIARY OF, OF THIS HOPE THAT THAT NEVER WOULD BE. BUT I LIVE IN HAMBURG. IT WOULD BE IMPROPER FOR ME. NEVER BE. BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HURT DURING WARTIME. IT DOESN'T I KNOW THAT NO, I DID SERVE I HAVE DURING. SO YEAH BUT YOU DON'T. BUT EITHER WAY I'M GOING TO TAKE THE ADVICE. AND BECAUSE I COULD POTENTIALLY BENEFIT FROM THESE BENEFITS AND I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF FOR THE VOTE, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO TABLE IT UNTIL WE KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS, WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS. I'M DID WE GET A WE GOT A SECOND. SO I'M GOING TO SAY THIS. THE VETERANS COMMITTEE IS HERE. A FEW OF OUR MEMBERS. ANYWAYS, WE ASKED THE TOWN BOARD TO PASS A RESOLUTION ASKING THE STATE TO PASS THIS, AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS VOTE TO. THE MEMBERS WEREN'T HERE AT THAT TIME TO GO AHEAD AND ASK THE STATE TO DO THIS.

AT THAT TIME, IT WAS NOT ONLY 100% DISABLED, IT WAS UNEMPLOYABILITY AND THERE WAS MOBILITY IN THE HOUSEHOLD, AND THE BOARD PASSED THAT. AND YOU WERE ONE OF THEM? YEAH. OKAY. I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE I AM 100% DISABLED VETERAN, BUT I'M NOT DURING WARTIME, SO I AM NOT COVERED UNDER THIS. I WILL NOT QUALIFY. BUT AT THE FIRST ONE, WHEN WE DID PASS IT, I WAS QUALIFIED. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH YOU'RE ACCUSING YOURSELF, BUT THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE. WE'VE WORKED HARD ON THIS, LOBBYING FOR THIS AND EVERYTHING. THE VETERANS COMMITTEE, ME AS THEIR LIAISON, ASSISTING WHEREVER I COULD. AND I'M GOING TO PUSH FORWARD FOR A VOTE. AND KIM, MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE I'VE SPOKEN TO. I HAVEN'T YET. YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PEOPLE SAY DIFFERENT THINGS. SO IS IT MILITARY SERVICE OR WARTIME? IT'S WARTIME SERVICE FOR THIS EXEMPTION. IT'S FOR 58-A, WHICH IS SPECIFIC TO WARTIME. WHEN WHEN THEY PUT IT, WHEN GOVERNOR PUT IT, VOTED FOR IT TO MAKE IT MANDATORY AND THEN STUCK IT IN THE BUDGET, IT CAME OUT UNDER 458 A, WHICH IS WAR. YES. WHICH IS SECTION 11, WHICH FOR TIME VETERANS. SO THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER A YEAR. WE'VE PASSED THIS BACK IN DECEMBER NOT KNOWING ANYTHING. AND ONCE AGAIN. SO. WE HAVE A ROUGH GUESSTIMATE. AND I'M I'M GOOD WITH IT. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SO JUST AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE IF WE DO DO IT, WE HAVE TO TELL EVERYONE ELSE. THAT'S A 100% DISABLED VETERAN THAT WE KNOW. IT'S OUR JOB TO NOT GO OVER THE TAX CAP WITH THAT. AND THAT'S WE TAKE THAT ON THE CHIN, I GUESS. BUT AM I WRONG IN SAYING THAT WHEN THIS WAS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY PRIOR TO ME AND LYNNE, THERE WAS ZERO I ON WHAT THE NUMBERS COULD HAVE BEEN. YOU GUYS HAD ZERO FIGURES. IT WAS MANDATORY. IT WAS WHAT WAS MANDATORY. THE EXEMPTION WAS MANDATORY WHEN IT FIRST. THAT'S NOT CORRECT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN ANY ACTION ON IT. WE WOULDN'T HAVE PASSED A RESOLUTION. WELL, I THINK WE PASSED A RESOLUTION ENCOURAGING BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THE SIGNALING TO US, MY JUST MY UNDERSTANDING, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WAS MANDATORY. IT WAS AGAIN, AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER UNFUNDED STATE MANDATE. AND I THINK AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WE AT LEAST MY FEELING WAS I WAS SIGNALING SUPPORT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT WAS COMING DOWN AS A AS A MANDATE FROM THE STATE. UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN WITH IF IT WASN'T MANDATED, THE INFORMATION HAS CHANGED, BUT THE INFORMATION IS LESS BECAUSE YOU TOOK OUT THE OTHER TWO CATEGORIES. I MEAN, AND THIS THOUGH I THINK THOUGH, DAN, THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD RECUSE YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU ARE A VETERAN AND AND YOU ARE DISABLED. AND I THINK THAT YOU COULD TALK TO YOUR ATTORNEY, BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO AVOID EVEN THE APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THEY

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WHEN YOU MAKE WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION AND YOU MAY CHANGE YOUR MIND. AND I'VE CHANGED MY MIND, I MAY HAVE SEEN BEEN FLAT OUT WRONG OR MISINFORMED OR NEEDED MORE TIME, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I RESPECT YOUR YOUR WORK FOR THE TOWN. I MEAN, MY LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT TALKS ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPEND IN, IN THIS TOWN HALL AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO. YOU DID THE GARBAGE FOR US ALONG WITH GARBAGE. BOB AND I SEE OUR FORMER SUPERVISOR HERE. I KNOW ALL THE WORK THAT, THAT YOU, YOU DO FOR THE TOWN AND HOW SERIOUSLY YOU TAKE YOUR YOUR JOB AND I COMMEND YOU FOR IT. AND I WISH I HAD AS MUCH TIME TO SPEND AS YOU WORKING ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. I DON'T, BUT I JUST THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT, BUT I YOU KNOW, IT IS UP FOR A VOTE, AND I JUST I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE COST IS GOING TO BE BEFORE WE COMMIT TO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE MORE TAXES. COUNCIL MEMBER ORTIZ. I KNOW WE GOT KIND OF OFF TRACK WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING. DID YOU FINISH WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY? I WASN'T YEAH, NO, I THINK SO. YEAH. AGAIN, I, I, I REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M AT. I DO HAVE THE NUMBERS. IF YOU WANT ME TO BRING THEM UP. AM I WRONG? IT WAS NORTH OF LIKE 600,000.

YEAH. LET'S JUST CALL IT. YEAH. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. YEAH. I THINK I, I THINK I'VE SAID WHAT I NEED TO. SO THERE WAS A MOTION SO FAR. THERE'S A MOTION TO PASS AND THERE'S A MOTION TO TABLE OR FRANK SAY TABLE. I WAS THOUGHT I HEARD FRANK BUT I DON'T HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO. GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT AND FIND OUT HOW IT'S WORKING IN WEST SENECA THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. AND THERE'S 16 STATES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT THAT DO OFFER. I'M SORRY, RAISE A TAX CUT. I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS THE TAX CAP. BUT SHE'S THE ASSESSOR. SHE KNOWS THAT STUFF. OKAY. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE 303 100% DISABLED VETERANS. IN THE LAST WEEK I RECEIVED NINE NEW APPLICATIONS. THE TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE OF THE HOMES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS EXEMPTION WOULD BE 28,035,340. WE RECALCULATED THE TAX RATE SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD AFFECT EACH PERSON. AND THAT WAS THE CHART THAT I FORWARDED TO THE TOWN BOARD. AND THAT WOULD BE $23 FOR $100,000 ASSESSED HOME. BASED ON THE CURRENT APPLICANTS THAT WE HAVE, THE AVERAGE HOME IS TWO 300,000 ASSESSED, 80,000, 80,000, 83. WE'RE RIGHT IN THERE. AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL COST TO THE TOWN RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE EXEMPTION SETS. THE COST TO THE

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EXACTLY. BECAUSE IT'S STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY. SO A LOT OF A LOT OF ASSESSED VALUE OFF RIGHT THERE. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN GOING TO IT'S BEEN PRETTY STEADY ALL YEAR THAT AS NEW INFORMATION COMES OUT OF THE STATE, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I KNOW IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT ALL OF OUR SUPERVISORS MEETINGS EVERY MONTH. THERE. THERE SEEMS TO STILL BE EVERY TIME ONE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, ANOTHER QUESTION COMES UP. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN GOING TO THE TAX ASSESSOR MEETINGS. YES. IS THERE ANYTHING IS THERE STILL MORE MEETINGS COMING UP? IS THERE GOING TO BE MORE MEETINGS? DO YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S STILL ARE THEY STILL DETERMINING FINE POINTS ABOUT THIS? AND WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR AN APPLICATION FROM THE STATE. THEY HAVE NOT ISSUED A NEW CODE OR HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED ON THE TAX ROLL. AND THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS ARE STILL KIND OF UP IN THE AIR. THE WAY THE LAW IS WRITTEN. IT STATES THAT THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS ARE ALSO EXCLUDED. THE 310 OR 11 VETERANS IS THAT LIKE 1% OF HAMBURG'S POPULATION? ABOUT 1%. YEAH, A LITTLE UNDER A LITTLE UNDER 1%. YEAH. SO THERE HAS NOT BEEN A DETERMINATION YET ON THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS, WHICH WOULD IMPACT ALSO, THE STATE AT OUR LAST MEETING, SAID TO SPEAK WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY, AND EVERYBODY WAS UP IN AN UPROAR.

SO THEY'RE GOING BACK TO LOOK INTO MORE DETAILS AS TO WHAT SPECIFICALLY IT'S SUPPOSED TO ENTAIL. HAVE THEY GIVEN THE TAX ASSESSORS A SENSE OF WHEN ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL BE FINALIZED, WHEN IT MIGHT FINALLY BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HOPING BY DECEMBER BECAUSE SOME OF THE THE CITIES WILL HAVE TO HAVE THEIR INFORMATION ON THE ROLE. SO, OKAY, WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL KIND OF WAITING FOR BITS AND PIECES TO MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION. OKAY, SO WE HAVE TWO POSSIBILITIES HERE TO EITHER VOTE ON THIS NOW OR TO TAKE THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE.

SECOND IT AND VOTE TO TABLE THE SUPERVISOR AND BOARD. THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO REVIEW THE CURRENT EXEMPTION THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AS AS AN ALTERNATIVE. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I LISTEN, I, I KNOW THIS IS A VERY, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COULD REALLY USE THE HELP. I DON'T DENY THAT. I DON'T NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF ALLUDING TO IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 5500 VETERANS IN THE TOWN, AND THEY'RE ALL OF DIFFERING DISABILITIES AND SOME MAYBE NOT DISABLED AT ALL. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT SO WHAT ESSENTIALLY HAPPENS WITH THIS IS THE 300 THAT FALL INTO THE 100%. THERE'S GET PASSED ON TO THOSE OTHER 5200 VETERANS BECOME CALL IT JUST LIKE REGULAR CITIZENS, RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE REALLY HURTING A GOOD CHUNK OF VETERANS. NOW, THEY MAY HAVE LESS NEEDS TO AS WELL.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT PIECE. BUT WHAT I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH IS, IS WHERE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO FIND A WAY WHERE WE READDRESS THE POTENTIAL EXEMPTION BLENDED ACROSS EVERYONE, MAKE IT HIGHER, HOPEFULLY FOR EVERYBODY INTO A SPOT WHERE MORE PEOPLE ARE HELPED, LESS OF THE RESIDENTS ARE IMPACTED BY IT. AND IT'S STILL THE DOLLAR IMPACT IS SOMEWHAT LESSENED. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE EITHER. I CAN'T I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE MATH WORKS THERE. BUT IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE HONEST, I'VE BEEN LOSING SLEEP ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'RE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. AND I, I CAMPAIGNED, I SAID, I KNOCKED ON PEOPLE'S DOORS AND SAID THAT I WAS PRO HELPING OUR VETERANS IN ANY, ANY POSSIBLE WAY. STILL FEEL LIKE THAT IS THE CASE FOR ME. BUT IT'S JUST THIS IS A TOUGH ONE TO WRESTLE WITH. I REALLY AM NOT GONNA LIE.

STATES PUT US IN A DIFFICULT POSITION, WHICH IS NOT FUNNY. I MEAN, THE DEFINITION OF ECONOMICS IS THE ALLOCATION OF SCARCE RESOURCES. AND SO MUCH OF OUR DISCUSSIONS TODAY HAVE BEEN CENTERED AROUND THE ALLOCATION OF THOSE RESOURCES AND HOW BEST TO DO THAT. AND THEY'RE NOT EASY DECISIONS FOR US BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY. IN A PERFECT WORLD, THIS WOULD HAVE

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YEAH. AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T ARGUE THE FACT THAT THE SCALE AND THE PERCENTAGES THAT THAT SHOULD BE TIERED. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. 100% DISABLED. I THINK IT HAD VERY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAN 10%. SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE TIERING THERE EITHER. JUST YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE OR DONATE $20 A YEAR TO 100% DISABLED VETERANS. AND WE CAN WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN WE CAN DO THAT NOW, OR WE CAN DO THAT OVER THE NEXT MONTH. ALSO, JUST, I MEAN, I, I'M LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTIRE BOARD, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER OPTIONS THAT, AS YOU KNOW, WAS MENTIONED TO SEE. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN ALSO BE DONE FOR ALL VETERANS? IS THERE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE? MY CONCERN IS THAT IN TWO WEEKS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW DIRECTIVE OUT OF OUT OF THE STATE, BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN SO MANY TIMES IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT IF WE IF WE ADOPT TONIGHT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. NO, WHICH IS SO. DO WE WANT TO VOTE ON TABLING FIRST? DO WE WANT TO VOTE ON THIS FIRST? I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ORDER OF HOW THE. IF THERE'S A MOTION TO TABLE, WE HAVE TO DO THAT FIRST. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION TO TABLE. THE MOTION TO TABLE WAS. MR. BUGALSKI. YES. OKAY. WAS THERE A SECOND ON THE MOTION TO TABLE? IF THERE'S NO SECOND, THE

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[5. Public Comment]

THANK YOU. IS THERE GOING TO BE A FEE THAT IS ASSESSED? A RESIDENT WHO REQUIRES AN AMBULANCE, OR IS IT AN OVERALL FEE IN OUR TAX STRUCTURE BECAUSE SOMETHING HAS CHANGED WITH THE AMBULANCE SERVICE WITH THE BIG TREE DISTRICT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO FIND THIS INFORMATION OUT. THAT'S THE ONE ISSUE I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS. THE OTHER ISSUE I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS IS THE NIKE BASE CONCESSION AREA. WE HAVE EQUIPMENT AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PUBLIC LIBRARY THAT IS NOT BEING USED. WE NEED THAT CAFE AREA CLEARED OUT FOR TUTORING. WE HAVE A LOT OF TUTORING AT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PUBLIC LIBRARY, AND THERE IS

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THEY COULD USE IT FOR THEIR FOR THEIR EVENTS. BUT I ALSO WOULD APPRECIATE KEEPING THE MICS TURNED UP FOR EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR, BECAUSE IT WAS HARD TO HEAR TONIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WE WILL CHECK WITH MR. HOFFMAN AND WORK ON THAT, BECAUSE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY OR POTENTIAL FOR US TO REPURPOSE AND USE THAT EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE A FEW PLACES WE COULD DO THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. TAKE CARE. MR. YOUNG, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK AGAIN? YES. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THE PROCEDURE THAT YOU HAD TO WRITE DOWN. THAT'S OKAY. SORRY. YOU'RE STILL ON THE LIST. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY, SO. JUST A COUPLE THINGS. BACK TO THE SENIOR CENTER. CHANGE ORDERS. A FEW WEEKS BACK, THERE WAS A STORY IN THE HAMBURG SUN REGARDING ABOUT A $200,000 CHANGE ORDERS. THAT'S THAT'S $250,000. IS THAT 200 000 REAL? AND DOES THAT GO IN ADDITION TO THE LOAN, OR DOES THAT COME OUT OF THE TOWN POT OF MONEY THAT'S BUDGETED OUTSIDE THE BOND, OUTSIDE THE BOND. SO IT COMES OUT OF YOUR BUDGET? WELL, IN IN DIFFERENT WAYS. SOME OF IT HAS BEEN ALREADY BUDGETED FOR. SOME OF IT WILL BE COVERED IN DEPARTMENT BUDGETS. SOME MAY BE THROUGH ENCUMBERED, SOME MAY BE THROUGH. WE DO HAVE SOME SOME GRANTS THAT ARE COMING IN. SO THERE'S A VARIETY ACTUALLY, AND I'LL BE ABLE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE. WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN VERY FORTUNATE.

NOW WE'RE UP TO THREE DIFFERENT GRANTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FOR ITEMS THERE, AND WE'LL KEEP LOOKING FOR THAT. THAT'S EXCELLENT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT TOOL. I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD KNOWS WHAT WAS THE LARGE STORAGE FACILITY IS ON CAMP ROAD THAT WAS JUST FINISHED.

DID THEY GET TAX BREAKS? THAT'S IN THE BILL. I THINK THAT'S IN THE VILLAGE. IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE VILLAGE. NO IT'S NOT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CAMP ROAD. NO NO NO NO NO. WELL THE STORAGE UNIT. STORAGE UNIT. OH OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S THE VILLAGE. NO, THAT'S NOT THE VILLAGE. I DON'T THINK SO. IT'S NOT JUST BEFORE THE VIADUCT TOWARDS THE VILLAGE. I COULD BE WRONG. I COULD BE WRONG. NO, BUT THE VILLAGE PROPERTY GOES ON BOTH SIDES. IT SKIRTS INTERESTINGLY BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN VILLAGE AND TOWN. I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ON WHETHER THAT. I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT THEY GOT A PILOT, BUT I WILL CHECK ON THAT ALSO. I KNOW THEY'RE A BIG COMPANY, BUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, EXPENSES ARE TOUGH TO CONTROL. SO WE WANT TO BRING IN MORE MONEY IN THE IN THE BEGINNING. SO ALLOWING TAX BREAKS FOR ANYBODY NOW SHOULD BE SCRUTINIZED. AND I DON'T THINK WE NEEDED A STORAGE FACILITY. I COULD AGAIN, I COULD BE WRONG AGAIN. BUT IF THEY DO HAVE A PILOT, THEY WILL LIKE SIMILAR TO THAT STORMWATER DISTRICT, THEY FALL INTO THE PEOPLE THAT NOW CANNOT AVOID THAT TAX BECAUSE OF THE DISTRICT. CORRECT. JUST LIKE AMAZON. JUST LIKE FEDEX. IF THEY HAD A PILOT, THEY'D BE.

THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF THE DISTRICTS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AS WELL, IS THAT WITH THE PILOT, THEY'RE NOT PAYING THOSE TAXES, RIGHT? WHEN YOU CREATE A DISTRICT, THEY'RE NOT FORCED TO. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN CAMI OR WHOEVER WAS TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE $1,023 PER 1000. YEAH. THE EDA'S ESSENTIALLY, BUT LIKE NOW AN AMAZON OR A FEDEX IS NOW

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SO WE WILL BEGIN COLLECTING TAXES FROM FEDEX SPECIFIC TO THE DISTRICTS THAT WE'VE BEEN SETTING UP. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY TAKE THEM AWAY FROM THAT GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD, AND THEY'RE GETTING THOSE ESSENTIAL SERVICES. SO THEY SHOULD CONTRIBUTE FOR THOSE ESSENTIAL SERVICES SET UP WAY BEFORE US, LIKE MATEO SAID EARLIER. I MEAN, TO ME, IT IT AGGRAVATES ME TO NO END WHEN I DRIVE IN TO BUFFALO TO GO TO COURT. AND THERE'S I'M GOING LIKE WITH TRAFFIC AT 60 PLUS MILES AN HOUR AND THERE'S A RED LIGHT AT AMAZON AND FEDEX AND, AND THEN IT'S, WELL, IT'S DANGEROUS AND IT SUCKS RESOURCES. AND THOSE TRUCKS ARE BIG AND HEAVY AND WE GET NOTHING OUT OF IT AS A TOWN EXCEPT FOR IT SUCKS RESOURCES AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR. I MEAN, WE'RE LEFT WITH IT. SAME THING WITH RANDY, LIKE RANDY COKE AND FEEDMORE. I MEAN, SO THEY, THEY, THEY SEND ME AN EMAIL SAYING, OH, YOU WANT TO TAKE A TOUR OF FEEDMORE? I'M LIKE, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, DON'T LEAVE OUT THE TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TAXES FOR 15 YEARS. OH, YEAH. EXACTLY. ON THIS BOARD. NO, NONE OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD. AND THEN I HAD INTRODUCED A MORATORIUM ON MULTI UNIT UNDER THE PREVIOUS BOARD, NOT THIS BOARD DEVELOPMENT. I.E. APARTMENTS LIKE LAWYER TALK FOR THAT. AND THAT WAS TURNED DOWN BY MY MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY THEY DON'T WANT MORE CAR WASHES OR APARTMENTS, BUT WE'RE STUCK WITH ENTITIES THAT WE SUPPORT AND WE COLLECT NO, NO REVENUE. AND IT'S TO ME, IT'S LIKE CORPORATE WELFARE. WHY? WHY SHOULD I MEAN, JEFF BEZOS DOESN'T PAY TAXES LIKE YOU DO. I DO. AND SO THEN ANYWAY, SO WE'RE DOING THE BEST THAT WE CAN. THE TOOL, THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT ARE THROUGH OUR COMP PLAN AND THEN THROUGH THE CODES AND THROUGH THE CODES THAT WE PUT IN PLACE. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS TO CHANGE THE CODES, WHETHER IT'S TAKING A MANUFACTURING DISTRICT OUT OR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, WHICH WE'VE TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKEN A LOT OF THAT OUT. WE CHANGED A LOT IN RECENT YEARS SO THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A NEW STORAGE UNIT OR CAR WASH. CAR WASH APPLICATION IN ALMOST THREE YEARS. BUT A LOT OF THAT IS DONE THROUGH THE CODES, THROUGH YOUR ZONING REGULATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'VE GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT THOSE THOSE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS, TAKEN OUT, THINGS THAT WE KNOW WEREN'T IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN DEFINITIONS, WAS AN AREA THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IF THE DEFINITIONS ARE LOOSE, PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THE DEFINITIONS VERY, VERY CLEAR. WE'VE TRIED TO BE VERY PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWED WHERE AND BECAUSE IT REFLECTS WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING, THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT THE TOWN TO GO IN. CASE IN POINT, WHICH YOU BROUGHT UP WAS STORAGE UNITS, CAR WASHES, ETC. SO DATA CENTERS, WITH THE MORATORIUM THAT WE ARE DOING TONIGHT, WE PUT IN A MORATORIUM REGARDING SOLAR AND BATTERY. ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, WE CHANGED A LOT OF OUR ZONING REGARDING THE MULTIFAMILY. AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE DID ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO IS A HUGE, THE, THE, THE BIGGEST IN THE AREA, 105 ACRES AT ECC, WHICH NOW ECC IS LEAVING AND THEY ARE GOING TO SELL THAT TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER, AS THEY SAY, BUT IT WAS ZONED R-3 FOR APARTMENTS. SO THIS BOARD PROACTIVELY CHANGED THAT ZONING SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, SO THAT THAT 105 ACRES WON'T JUST BE, YOU KNOW, THOSE THOSE TYPE OF APARTMENT COMPLEX. SO WHERE POSSIBLE, WE'RE METHODICALLY AND SLOWLY WORKING THROUGH THOSE CODES WITH THE HELP OF OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, OUR ENGINEERING, ZONING, ETC. TO MAKE THOSE, THOSE CHANGES. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. I'M SORRY, SIR, BUT WE DO HAVE TIME AND WE HAVE TO BE FAIR TO OTHER PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HOLD ONE PERSON TO TWO MINUTES, WE CAN'T LET YOU STAND UP HERE THE WHOLE TIME. THANK YOU, MISTER. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. NATALIE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? YES, JACK. OKAY. ANGELA. I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF YOU GUYS FIRST, JUST TO KIND OF GO ALONG. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I KIND OF HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT I'LL TRY MY BEST. I WROTE EVERYTHING DOWN. SO FOR THE

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THIS PROPERTY JUST RECENTLY WAS APPROVED FOR A SIX INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE SHOP BY THE PLANNING BOARD WITH 19 DIFFERENT STIPULATIONS. HOW MANY PROJECTS IN HAMBURG DO YOU KNOW THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITH 19 STIPULATIONS? THIS SHOULD BE A RED FLAG. LONG STORY SHORT, US RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN CONCERNED WITH HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE AND APPROVED FOR THIS PROJECT.

WE FEEL AS RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS ARE REQUESTING CONCERNS HAVE FALLEN ON DEAF EARS. NOW, I'M SURE EVERYONE HAS HEARD ON THE NEWS THE MOST RECENT ISSUES UP IN NIAGARA FALLS AND NOW SOUTH TOWNS, ABOUT PROPERTY THAT WAS ONCE INVOLVED IN THE MANHATTAN PROJECT. THAT LAND NOW IS COMING BACK AS TOXIC AND NEEDING IMMEDIATE REMEDIATION DUE TO ITS LINK WITH THE MANHATTAN PROJECT. WELL, THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS PROJECT WAS OWNED BY THE STEEL PLANT, WHO WAS A CONTRACTOR DURING THAT MANHATTAN PROJECT AND USED LAND HERE AS A DUMPING GROUND FOR WASTE. NOW, WHEN THE OWNER PURCHASED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT WAS SPLIT INTO SEPARATE PARCELS, ONE OF THOSE BEING BOUGHT BY THE HAMBURG IDA. THEY DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND HAD THE LAND TESTED. AND LO AND BEHOLD, THEY CAME BACK AS CONTAMINATED. NOW, AS WE NEIGHBORS, AS US NEIGHBORS TO THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE CONCERNS THAT THIS. FROM THE BEGINNING, WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER WENT TO THE ZBA FOR A FENCING VARIANCE, WE VOICED OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPERTY BEING POTENTIAL BROWNFIELD. THE ZBA BOARD DETERMINED THAT PRIOR TO ANY EXCAVATION OF THE PROPERTY, A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY BE DONE. I SENT THOSE MINUTES STATING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND DEPARTMENT. NOT ONE WORD WAS SAID ABOUT THIS AT ANY OF THOSE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS.

THIS IS A REAL CONCERN AND MASSIVE AMOUNT OF NEGLIGENCE HAPPENING WITHIN THE TOWN TO PROTECT ITS RESIDENTS. NEXT IS ITS TOWNS. VERY FAULTED CODEX. THIS PROPERTY OWNER HAS SINCE PLACED CONCRETE JERSEY BARRIERS WHICH YOU HAVE PICTURES OF ALONG RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES. THAT'S OUR PROPERTY LINES, OURS BEING R-3 AND HIS BEING M-3, WHICH YOU SAID THEY GOT RID OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. THIS PROPERTY IS STILL HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. WE CONTACTED CODE BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A TEN FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE. NOW WE HAVE DECAYING, RUSTED AND TAGGED JERSEY BARRIERS IN OUR YARD CODE STATED ORIGINALLY THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO BE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE DUE TO THAT BEING FENCING SCREENING WITHIN CODE. WHEN WE REACHED OUT AS THE BARRIERS WERE IN PLACE, THEY SENT OUT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO LOOK AT THEM BECAUSE WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE DECREPIT STATE OF THE BARRIERS IN OUR SAFETY FOR OUR KIDS BEING RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE CODE, THEN REACHED BACK OUT TO US AND SAID, OH, WELL, THERE'S NOTHING IN CODE THAT PROHIBITS THESE. AND THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED FENCING OR SCREENING, SO THE APPEARANCE CODE DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM. MY QUESTION IS IF THAT'S THE CASE AND IT'S NOT FENCING AND SCREENING, WHY IS IT ALLOWED ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE LIKE THAT? WHERE IN CODE DOES IT SAY THAT THIS IS ALLOWED? AND WHAT ABOUT THE SAFETY OF MY KIDS AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO OUR PROPERTY VALUES? THIS TOWN WANTS TO GO OVER 2% TAX LEVY THIS YEAR, BUT CAN'T SEEM TO PUT THE TAXPAYERS CONCERNS AND ISSUES FIRST. THIS IS WHAT YOUR FAULTED SYSTEM AND CODEX HAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN TO US RESIDENTS IN WOODLAWN. WE WANT A CHANGE AND WE WANT THIS TO BE FIXED. MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS AND TAX BREAKS FOR THOSE WHO PAY THE RIGHT PRICE, BUT STRUGGLES FOR THOSE WHO GET THE RUN AROUND. FOR THE MAJORITY OF US COMMON TAXPAYERS. AT WHAT POINT IS ENOUGH? ENOUGH? THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AFTER I RECEIVED THE INFORMATION YOU SENT THE OTHER DAY, I DID TALK WITH OUR CODE, OUR SENIOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AND I ASKED BECAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY, AS THINGS COME UP, LOOKING FOR HOW WE CAN IMPROVE OUR CODE. SO I'VE ASKED THAT THIS BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT CODE REVIEW MEETING. I APPRECIATE THAT, BECAUSE IF IT HAPPENS TO US, IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYBODY IN THIS TOWN AT THIS POINT. AND THAT IS A HUGE SAFETY CONCERN BECAUSE THOSE ARE RUSTED CHUNKS OF METAL THAT ARE HALFWAY INTO OUR YARD. AND I HAVE LITTLE KIDS WHO LIKE TO RUN AROUND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GARY MOSHER. GARY MOSHER, COLD WAR VETERAN, DESERT SHIELD, DESERT STORM, IRAQI FREEDOM ONE, WHERE YOU PUT THIS AGENDA WAS BACKHANDED AND UNDERHANDED TO YOUR VETERANS. I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE IT WAS AND TRYING TO BLAME THE VETERANS ON A TAX INCREASE. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT LAST LISTED UNDERNEATH WHERE YOU WANTED PERMISSION FOR A TAX LEVY INCREASE? THAT WAS PRETTY ON HAND TO YOUR VETERANS WHERE IT WAS ADDRESSED? IT WAS ACTUALLY INCLUDED THERE BECAUSE IT WAS A LATE RESOLUTION. SO THAT'S WHY IT WENT THERE BECAUSE IT CAME IN, IT WAS 5% OF VETERANS ARE 100% DISABLED IN AMERICA. LESS THAN 80% OF THAT ARE PERMANENT AND TOTAL, EVEN LOWER THAN THAT SERVED IN COMBAT. THE WAY THIS LAW IS

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I WILL SAY I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. WE SPENT WELL OVER A YEAR ON THIS STUFF. THIS IS NOT NEW. COMING IN HERE AND SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS. OH, WE GOT TO LOOK AT IT. THIS HAS BEEN THIS. WE'VE WORKED ON THIS A LONG TIME. AND THE TAX ASSESSOR NOT HAVING THE NUMBERS FOR YOU. I THINK THAT'S SHAMEFUL. THE LAW, THE THE THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THIS LAW 28TH MAY. WHAT WERE WE DOING? SINCE THEN? WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT WELL OVER A YEAR. THE NUMBERS COULD HAVE BEEN FIGURED OUT BY NOW. AND AS GARY SAID BEFORE ME, LESS THAN A HALF A PERCENT OF THE POPULATION THAT'S TAXPAYING IN THIS TOWN. I THINK IT'S WE AS THE TOWN OF HAMBURG VETERANS COMMITTEE, WE STILL GOT MORE WORK TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO IT. WE GET IT. THIS IS A LITTLE HURDLE. BUT AS VETERANS, WE'RE KIND OF USED TO THEM. WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND OVERCOME THIS. AND ONCE AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER KOZUB, WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR US. THANK YOU. CAN I ASK CAN I JUST ASK WHAT? SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DEBATING ABOUT WHETHER 100% OR WHATEVER, WHAT WHAT IS YOUR HOPE AND EXPECTATION FOR? HONESTLY, I WOULD HOPE THE ACTUAL MEMBER WHO ACTUALLY THE ACTUAL PERSON WHO GOT THIS WITH SENATOR ADOBO, NEW YORK STATE SENATOR ADOBO WAS A MAN FROM A VETERAN FROM THE TOWN OF HAMBURG NAMED TIMOTHY WRIGHT. HE WAS A DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. AFTER HE RETIRED FROM THE MILITARY, HE RETIRED FROM THAT. AND HE WENT ON THIS CRUSADE, AND HE WENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, GOT OVER 6000 SIGNATURES TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OR IN FRONT OF THE STATE ASSEMBLY. AND SENATE. IT IS NOT WHAT HE INITIALLY WROTE. IT IS NOT WHAT HE INTENDED. THE INTENT WAS FOR EVERY 100% DISABLED VETERAN TO TO BE TAX EXEMPT FROM REAL PROPERTY. WE UNDERSTAND THE SERVICES AND STUFF WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THAT, BUT THAT WAS HIS INTENT. IT HAS BEEN CHANGED AND IT COMPLETELY MANIPULATED. FROM WHAT? WHAT WAS HIS INITIAL INTENT TO WHAT IT IS TODAY? AND THIS IS A START. IT GETS US IN THE DOOR AND IT WILL TAKE THEM SMALL LITTLE VICTORIES. BUT SO IS WHAT YOU WANT THE 100%. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE HOPING FOR? IS THAT THOSE THAT ARE THAT THE RESOLUTION, THE 100% DISABLED ARE THOSE THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THE P AND T, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT IS COMBAT VETERANS. I'M AGAINST THAT. BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. OKAY. LIKE I SAID, AS THE VETERANS COMMITTEE, WE'RE NOT DONE. AND WE'RE HOPING TO GET THIS AS IT WAS INITIALLY INTENDED, ALL VETERANS, WHICH IS THE 100% CORRECT. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JOE'S, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, WE'RE WE'RE NOT LETTING THIS DROP. WE JUST AGAIN, IT'S,

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SO I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ALL THE CUTS. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OVERTIME SCAMS FOR RETIREMENT ON A CHIEF THAT, YOU KNOW, SUPPOSED TO BE TOP DOG, ANOTHER LAW. BUT DOES HE? THAT'S THE TIME. THANK YOU. FELIX MELENDEZ. GOOD EVENING BOARD. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GUNNAR MELENDEZ. I'M A RETIRED UNITED STATES MARINE. I AM PART OF THE 300 THAT EXIST IN HAMBURG, NEW YORK. OKAY. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOULDN'T SEE. AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE, RIGHT? SO I'M HERE TO STAND BEHIND THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO SERVED THE 100 THAT ARE THAT HAVE THE 100% PERMANENT AND TOTAL DISABILITY, WHICH ISN'T ALWAYS A PHYSICAL THING, SOMETIMES A MEDICAL THING. AND THIS IS TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY, QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS. IT WILL ALLOW FOR MORE TIME FOR DOCTOR'S VISITS. BECAUSE IF FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW 100% PERMANENT TOTAL, SOME OF US STILL HAVE TO WORK TO MAKE ENDS MEET. AND SO THIS BREAK WOULD ALLOW US TO VISIT THE DOCTOR MORE, GET MENTAL HELP FOR THOSE OF US THAT NEED IT. AND YES, I AM ONE OF THEM AND JUST ALLOW US A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE. I AM A WARTIME VETERAN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL 100 PERCENTERS RECEIVE THIS TAX CREDIT. OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING IT. OTHER STATES DO IT. THE ONLY REASON I STAYED IN NEW YORK STATE WAS BECAUSE THIS CAME OUT LAST YEAR OR EARLY THIS YEAR. AND SO THAT WAS MY REASON FOR SAYING, OKAY, I'M GOING TO STAY HOME BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO. I WANT TO STAY HERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVE NEW YORK BECAUSE OF TAXES AND OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? THIS IS ONE OF MY REASONS. TAXES, FLORIDA, VIRGINIA, THESE ARE ALL GREAT STATES, WHICH I WAS CONSIDERING MOVING TO BECAUSE OF THIS BREAK ALONG WITH OTHER THINGS. SO I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT ALTHOUGH I AM, THIS WILL AFFECT ME. IF I WAS A 20% 10%, I WOULD GLADLY GIVE 30, 40, 50, $100 OUT OF MY OWN MONEY TO HELP MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO DESERVE IT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THEY'VE SEEN. OKAY, I KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH BECAUSE I'M PART OF IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. RACHEL PHILLIPS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFERENT THINGS. SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT MY PHONE. GOOD EVENING. I'M RACHEL PHILLIPS. I'M A RESIDENT ON NELSON AVENUE. AND THIS IS REGARDING THE 7500 ZERO SQUARE FEET LAKESHORE ROAD WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. THE PLANNING BOARD EXCLUDED THE APPLICANTS ADJOINING 30 FOOT INDUSTRIAL ZONE PARCEL FROM THE PROJECT'S ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.

THAT'S WHAT THESE CONCRETE BARRIERS ARE NOW SITTING ON. IT'S THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY LINE, RESIDENTIAL. NOW, DIRECTLY ALONG OUR BACKYARDS, WE HAVE A CONTINUOUS ROW OF RECYCLED CONCRETE HIGHWAY BARRIERS. THEY'RE VISIBLY CRACKED, CRUMBLING, AND FITTED WITH BRIGHT YELLOW REFLECTORS FACING OUR HOMES. YOUNG CHILDREN PLAY JUST FEET FROM THESE DETERIORATING STRUCTURES. THIS IS THEIR BACKYARD, NOT A HIGHWAY CONSTRUCTION ZONE. IT'S COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE. ON AUGUST 26TH, SUPERVISING CODE ENFORCEMENT, JEFFREY SCURLOCK CONFIRMED IN WRITING THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIED HIS FENCE PERMIT TO ALLOW THESE BARRIERS AS A FENCE, AND THEN IT WAS REVISED BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THEIR OWN CODE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT. EVIDENTLY, ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, HE REVERSED THAT DETERMINATION, ACKNOWLEDGING THEY DO NOT QUALIFY AS A FENCE, BUT STATING THAT NOTHING IN TOWN CODE PROHIBITS THEIR PLACEMENT. THE RESPONSE REGARDING THE REFLECTORS WAS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. SINCE WHEN DOES THE ABSENCE OF AN EXPLICIT CODE PROHIBITION AUTOMATICALLY MAKE SOMETHING APPROPRIATE OR SAFE? ESPECIALLY WHEN CHILDREN PLAY WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THIS? MEANWHILE, OF SUBSTANTIAL STOCKPILE HAS BEEN RELOCATED FROM NEAR TO RUSH CREEK TO BEHIND THE APPLICANT'S SHOP. CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. IT ACTUALLY IS HIGHER THAN SOME OF OUR HOUSES. HE LEAVES A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, LIKE A BACKHOE OR A BIG PIECE OF INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT SITTING ON TOP OF THAT PILE. WHAT HAPPENS IF IT TOPPLES OVER LANDS IN OUR YARDS? I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT APPROPRIATE NOR

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21 OF YOU SAYS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY. YOU ALL ARE PAYING MORE. THAT'S JUST HOW MATH WORKS. UNLESS YOU CUT THE SPENDING. THIS IS RELEVANT WITH THE WHOLE AMAZON THING. I KNOW IT CAME UP. THE REASON WHY AMBER GOT THE TAX BREAKS WAS BECAUSE YOUR IDA ALLOWED IT. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I WAS AT THE MEETING AND YOU CAN CALL ME WHITMER THOMAS, BECAUSE I'M JUST PREDICTING STUFF UP IN THIS THAT I TOLD THE TOWN IDA THAT IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM, IS THAT IT WOULD BE PASSED ONTO THE TAXPAYERS, AND SOONER OR LATER IT WOULD BECOME A BIG BURDEN. AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? AMAZON SENT SOME GUY IN A SUIT TO SAY, OH, IT'LL PROVIDE JOBS. THE UNIONS CAME OUT AND SAID, WE NEED THESE JOBS. IT'S GOING TO HELP US.

AND YOU STIFF THE TAXPAYER. MY SUGGESTION FOR THAT IS, PUT BETTER PEOPLE ON YOUR IDA AND YOUR COMMITTEES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THE TAXPAYERS, NOT JUST A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE. I NEED TO KNOW THAT I WE SHOULD ABOLISH CORPORATE WELFARE. WE SHOULD ABOLISH. IF YOU HAVE TO BRIBE A BUSINESS TO COME HERE, WE CAN LOOK AT NEW ERA IN DERBY. IT DOESN'T WORK. WHEN THE SUBSIDIES ARE OUT, THEY LEAVE IN. THAT BUILDING IS STILL VACANT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. AMEN. THE OTHER ISSUE IS TALKING ABOUT YOUR BUDGET AGAIN, AND YOU SHOULD ONCE AGAIN SAY NO TO THE TAX CAP. SOMEONE MENTIONED SALT. DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THE TOWN OF HAMBURG PAYS IN ROAD SALT A YEAR? ABOUT $300,000. YOUR BUDGET IS 60 MILLION. 42 MILLION IS ALLOCATED TO YOUR JOBS PROGRAM. THAT IS YOUR BIGGEST EXPENSE.

IF YOU WANT TO STOP STIFFING THE TAXPAYERS, YOU PUT IN A HIRING FREEZE, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE BY MULTIPLE TOWNS ACROSS THE STATE IN 2026. SARATOGA HAS DONE IT, ALBANY HAS DONE IT, AND YOU IMPOSE A SALARY CAP TO YOUR EMPLOYEES. THERE IS NO EXCUSE HAMBURG EMPLOYEES TO BE MAKING $200,000 A YEAR. I'M SORRY. IT'S JUST NOT THERE. THE AVERAGE PER CAPITA INCOME FOR HAMBURG IS 45,000. I THINK THE AVERAGE SALARY IS 60,000. THEY DO NOT NEED TO BE MAKING 3 OR 4 TIMES THE AVERAGE RESIDENT'S INCOME. YOU DO NOT HIRE DOCTORS. YOU HAVE NO DOCTORS ON STAFF.

YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE SPECIALTY THAT NEEDS A 3 TO $300,000 PLUS WITH BENEFITS JOB.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. YOU MENTIONED SELLING A PROPERTY. IT'S GOING TO SOLVE SHORT TERM PROBLEMS. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE CONTINUOUS REVENUE. THE SOLUTION IS THE $42 MILLION ELEPHANT, WHICH IS BENEFITS SALARY. YOU PAY $2.2 MILLION IN RETIRED EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS. PEOPLE WHO HAVE RETIRED, YOU REPLACE THEM WITH A NEW EMPLOYEE. SO IT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST, $2.2 MILLION. THAT IS SEVEN TIMES WHAT YOU PAY IN ROAD SALT. THOSE ARE WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE. HIRING FREEZE SALARY CAP CUT DOWN ON OVERTIME SOLVES THESE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU. MR. THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYONE. NOW WE'LL GO TO REPORTS FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS. WE'LL START WITH LEGAL. CHIEF DINIZ. THANK YOU.

SUPERINTENDENT HUGHES. GOOD EVENING. START WITH THE HIGHWAY. WE'RE IN ZONE FOUR FOR BRUSH.

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OKAY, SO THAT'S THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE MULCHING THEM DOWN AND COMPOSTING THEM. SO IT'S WORKING OUT VERY GOOD. REMEMBER THE ELECTRONICS DROP OFF IS STILL MONDAYS AND THURSDAYS AND OCTOBER IS THE LAST MONTH FOR BRUSH PICKUP BEING THE GOLF COURSE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE IRRIGATING THE COURSE OCTOBER 4TH AND FIFTH. SO THE FRONT NINE WILL BE CLOSED ONE DAY AND THE BACK NINE WILL BE CLOSED THE OTHER DAY TO, TO HANDLE THE THE GOLF COURSE. AND I WANT TO SAY A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO THE, THE CREW TO IT'S BEEN WORKING AT THE TOWN PARK. IT'S STARTING TO LOOK REALLY GOOD WITH THE NEW ROCKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO THANK YOU. IF I CAN ADD TO. GOOD JOB ON THE GOLF COURSE THIS YEAR, I. I REACHED OUT TO A FEW OF THE MEMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, GOLF AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AFTER YOUR FIRST YEAR TAKING OVER BAG AND STUFF LIKE THAT WAS A FIASCO. YES, IT'S, IT'S COMING ALONG. IT'S A WORK. IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. REGARDING THE YOUNG LADY THAT MENTIONED ABOUT THE STOVE AND REFRIGERATOR OUT OF THE LIBRARY, IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE WAY THAT SOMEBODY FROM BAG COULD GO DOWN OR PICK IT UP? I WILL GIVE HER MY CARD AFTER AFTER WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.

LET ME SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. YEAH. JUST TO ADD TO, I WAS ON THE GOLF COURSE SATURDAY AND IT'S I HADN'T PLAYED THERE IN YEARS AND USUALLY CERTAIN TIMES A YEAR IT DEPENDS ON THE RAIN, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT WAS FANTASTIC. THEY SAID THE GREENS ARE REALLY GREEN. NICE.

YEAH. NO, IT WAS THE BEST I'VE SEEN IT IN A LONG TIME. SO WE'RE WORKING ON IT. YEAH. NO, IT LOOKS GOOD. I'M GETTING A COUPLE PRICES GETTING A PRICE TO ALL THE THE CART PATHS HAVING A BLACKTOP. THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS. SO I'M HAVING A COUPLE COMPANIES COME THROUGH AND GIVE ME SOME PRICING. JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING ON. SO YEAH, YOU'RE WORKING HARD OUT THERE. WE'RE HOPING FOR EL NINO. YEAH. MR. SHAY. KIM. JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE SENIOR CITIZEN APPLICATIONS ARE OUT, AS WELL AS NEW YORK STATE IS SENDING LETTERS FOR THE STAR EXEMPTION. THEY ARE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE EXEMPTIONS. SO IF YOU GET A LETTER FROM NEW YORK STATE, YOU MUST REPLY. THEY WILL REMOVE THE STAR OR THEY WILL DROP IT DOWN TO A BASIC.

IF YOU WERE AN ENHANCED AND THE SENIOR EXEMPTION HAS TO BE RENEWED EVERY YEAR, THAT WOULD BE FOR YOUR. PROPERTY TAXES CAN APPLY TO SCHOOL VILLAGE DEPENDING ON WHERE THE INCOME FALLS. SO ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE. YOU HAVE UNTIL MARCH 1ST. THANK YOU, MR. GIACOMINI. TRAFFIC SAFETY. JOE GORMAN, KING, YOUTH REC AND SENIOR SERVICES. I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE HAD A WONDERFUL FALL FEST. WE HAD PROBABLY OVER 250 PEOPLE THERE. TAYLOR ROAD WAS PACKED. WE DEFINITELY NEED A LARGER PARKING LOT FOR THAT. WE WERE OUT OF PUMPKINS. WE HAD OVER 150. WE WERE OUT WITHIN THE FIRST HOUR. IT WENT GREAT. THE ROCK FOUNDATION, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THEM SPONSORING THE SUPPLIES AND THE FOOD AND EVERYTHING SO WE COULD HAVE A GREAT EVENT. WE WILL BE COLLABORATING WITH HARMONIA FOR A CAREGIVER SUPPORT SERIES THAT WILL BE STARTING IN OCTOBER AND RUN THROUGH MARCH ONCE A MONTH.

THIS WILL BE A TWO HOUR PROGRAM CAREGIVERS CAN ATTEND WITH THE INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY'RE CARING FOR, AND THEY'LL RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS AND THE INDIVIDUAL WILL BE LOOKED AFTER. AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE TOMORROW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO WATCH THE HOCKEY GAME, THAT THE SNIPPET BEFORE THE HOCKEY GAME WILL BE SOME OF OUR OWN KIDS, ESPN DID COME TO THE ICE RINK AND RENTED SOME ICE TO TAPE THEIR OPENING MONTAGE, SO DON'T FORGET TO WATCH THAT. AND SOME OF OUR OWN HAMBURG HAWKS WILL ACTUALLY BE PART OF THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WHAT ELSE AM I NOT SEEING? CAMI, ENGINEERING TOWN CLERK. SCHOOL TAX

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